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L4[00:00:10] <SF-MC> if people start
building for 1.8 afterall or start steamrolling for 1.9
L5[00:00:21] <SF-MC> because 1.8 has finally
started gaining traction
L6[00:00:31] <SF-MC> at least for the
smaller devs
L8[00:00:47] <SF-MC> I feel really bad for
bluedart
L9[00:01:05] <SF-MC> finally released his
rewrite and he's probably going to have to do another
L10[00:01:13] <payonel> what is
bluedart?
L11[00:01:22] <SF-MC> a mod author
L12[00:01:33] <SF-MC> Dartcraft
L13[00:02:23] <payonel> never used it
L14[00:02:29] <SF-MC> I didn't much
either
L15[00:02:31] <payonel> sounds
familiar
L16[00:02:44] <SF-MC> was in... I
forget
L17[00:02:50] <SF-MC> one of the mainline
FTB packs
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L19[00:03:13] <Izaya> Ultimate IIRC
L20[00:03:20] <SF-MC> that sounds
right
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L23[00:07:45] <SoraFirestorm> oooh
L24[00:07:47] <SoraFirestorm> needs
NEI
L25[00:07:52] <SoraFirestorm> no way I'm
going to play without NEI
L26[00:08:28] <SoraFirestorm> I need my
recipe lookups
L27[00:09:33] <SoraFirestorm> could
substitute for JEI in the meanwhile
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L29[00:11:57] <gamax92> TMI, NEI, JEI,
what's next
L30[00:12:35] <SoraFirestorm> idk
L31[00:13:06] <Sandra> 1.9's /reasonably/
easy to update to from 1.8 apparently.
L32[00:13:10] <Sandra> \o/
L33[00:13:31] <SoraFirestorm> because there
wasn't a render core rewrite for 1.8 -> 1.9
L34[00:13:43] <SoraFirestorm> like there
was for 1.7 -> 1.8
L35[00:14:04] <Sandra> entities changed i
think.
L36[00:14:14] <Sandra> and item models
actually work.
L38[00:15:06] <Sandra> it's a thing.
L39[00:15:13] <SoraFirestorm> very
nice
L40[00:16:02] <Sandra> that's the OA laser
splitter.
L41[00:16:13] <payonel> gamax92: so msys
for ocemu, yes?
L42[00:16:17] <Sandra> in my VERY GORRAM
SLOW rewrite for 1.8.
L43[00:16:41] <gamax92> payonel:
msys2
L44[00:16:48] <payonel> coo
L45[00:17:12] <payonel> and you have that
64bit fix pushed i saw
L46[00:17:21] <payonel> but - should i use
32 bit anyways?
L47[00:17:28] <SF-MC> no?
L48[00:17:45] <SF-MC> I'd use the 64bit if
you have a 64bit machine
L49[00:17:53] <SF-MC> and accompanying
64bit OS
L50[00:18:08] <gamax92> use the 32 bit
one
L51[00:18:09] <payonel> SF-MC: you dont
really know what we're talking about.
L53[00:18:18] <SF-MC> then ignore me
L54[00:18:25] <SF-MC> I'm stupid
anyways
L55[00:18:27] <SF-MC> nothing new to
me
L56[00:18:29] <payonel> :)
L57[00:18:54] <gamax92> something doesn't
build correctly iirc
L58[00:19:01] <payonel> k
L59[00:19:08] <gamax92> or maybe that's
5.3
L60[00:19:21] <payonel> i have no need for
64bit
L61[00:21:03] <Izaya> gamax92: TRAOE
L62[00:21:06] <payonel> gamax92: in case
your curious about my dev machine switch (i doubt you are) but my
current hobby programming machine is my previous employer's laptop,
which i have to return this week :) and my next employer (a
promotion nonetheless) is giving me a great machine work, but a
crap laptop
L63[00:21:08] <Izaya> The Right Amount Of
Items
L64[00:21:13] <payonel> so, i'm setting up
shop with my personal desktop
L65[00:21:25] <payonel> i know, your
curiosity was killing you
L66[00:21:50] <payonel> great work
machine*
L67[00:26:34] <SF-MC> you know
L68[00:26:38] <SF-MC> eeeh
L69[00:26:40] <SF-MC> nvm
L70[00:26:44] <SF-MC> talking out loud to
myself
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L72[00:29:08] <SF-MC> %calc 128 / 32
L73[00:29:09] <MichiBot> SF-MC: 128
L76[00:29:23] <SF-MC> 4 actually
L77[00:29:49] <payonel> %calc 128/32
L78[00:29:51] <MichiBot> payonel: 4
L79[00:29:56] <payonel> spaces
L80[00:29:57] <SF-MC> ugh
L81[00:29:59] <SF-MC> seriously?
L82[00:30:05] <payonel> LUA
L83[00:30:06] <EnderBot2> It's Lua, not
LUA. Name, not an acronym
L84[00:31:20] <payonel> gamax92: ah so this
was the part i was confused about
L85[00:31:31] <Sandra> ~lua 128 / 32
L86[00:31:33] <payonel> you recommend the
msys2 shell, but the msys2_setup_ocemu.sh fails
L87[00:31:40] <Sandra> #lua 128 / 32
L88[00:31:40] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 4.0
L89[00:31:41] <payonel> saying "this
script does not work in a MSYS2 shell"
L90[00:31:43] <payonel> :)
L91[00:31:54] <gamax92> i do not recommend
the msys2 shell
L92[00:31:55] <payonel> so i have to have
both shells, use ming to prep the source dir?
L93[00:31:59] <Sandra> %calc 2 + 3
L94[00:31:59] <MichiBot> Sandra: 2
L95[00:32:09] <Sandra> michibot looks
dumb.
L96[00:32:17] <payonel> i'm confused
L97[00:32:22] <gamax92> I recommend the
msys2 environment and the mingw shell
L98[00:32:23] <SF-MC> poor thing still
suffering after surgery :(
L99[00:32:24] <Izaya> my bot is
better
L100[00:32:32] <Izaya> :dc 4 2 + p
L102[00:32:43] <Sandra> ?
L103[00:32:52] <payonel> gamax92: ooookay
weird
L104[00:32:53] <Sandra> is that postfix
notation?
L105[00:32:57] <Izaya> yeah
L106[00:32:57] <Sandra> why?
L107[00:33:01] <Izaya> using the dc
utility
L108[00:33:10] <Izaya> because it supports
arbitrary precision
L109[00:33:24] <Sandra> hmmmmmkay.
L110[00:33:38] <gamax92> the msys2
environment is that installer you use so that there are even shells
to begin with
L111[00:33:50] <Sandra> :dc 5 6 * 7 8 9 +
-
L112[00:34:05] <Izaya> 29
L113[00:34:10] <gamax92> and then you just
use the mingw shell to run the script in
L114[00:34:12] <SF-MC> 30 7 8 9 + -
L115[00:34:21] <Izaya> well actually
L116[00:34:24] <Izaya> you guys are
forgetting p
L117[00:34:28] <Izaya> so there is no
output
L118[00:34:32] <SF-MC> 37 8 9 -
L119[00:34:37] <Sandra> ohkay.
L120[00:34:38] <SF-MC> 29 9
L121[00:34:41] <Sandra> righteeeeeo.
L122[00:34:49] <SF-MC> missed an op there
Sandra
L123[00:34:50] <payonel> gamax92: but i
dont have a mingw shell. if i install mingw (i.e. from
http://www.mingw.org/) won't i get a mingw env and
its shell?
L124[00:34:55] <SF-MC> you left that 9 on
the stack
L125[00:34:57] <Sandra> did I?
L126[00:34:59] <Sandra> oh.
L127[00:35:00] <SF-MC> yeah
L128[00:35:02] <payonel> how do i get the
mingw shell, not its env, and run it in msys's env?
L129[00:35:12] <Sandra> the 9?
L130[00:35:17] <SF-MC> yeah
L131[00:35:18] <gamax92> ugh fucking
hell
L132[00:35:22] <SF-MC> the answer is 29
9
L133[00:35:25] <payonel> :)
L134[00:35:33] <SF-MC> because you run out
of operations before you use the 9
L135[00:35:55] <SF-MC> 30 7 8 9 + -
L136[00:35:58] <gamax92> payonel no
because that's outdated as fuck
L137[00:36:02] <SF-MC> 37 8 9 -
L138[00:36:07] <SF-MC> 29 9
L139[00:36:10] <Sandra> (5 6 *) (7 (8 9 +)
-)
L140[00:36:10] <payonel> so then from
where do i get the mingw shell?
L141[00:36:18] <Izaya> no ()
L142[00:36:20] <Sandra> I left a 30 on the
stack.
L143[00:36:27] <SF-MC> but michibot said
29
L145[00:36:51] <Sandra> I know, I was just
processing it mahself.
L146[00:37:07] <gamax92> from the MSYS2
installer
L147[00:37:16] <SF-MC> actually, michibot
said nothing
L148[00:37:18] <SF-MC> it was Izaya
L149[00:37:26] <Izaya> I'm doing these in
my head
L150[00:37:33] <Izaya> my bot is on
quakenet
L151[00:37:38] <gamax92> did you go to
msys2.github.io
L152[00:37:50] <payonel> you know, i
predicted that's what you were saying. i should have started with
"how do i get the mingw shell via msys2?"
L153[00:38:04] <payonel> gamax92: yeah,
but i didn't see any install options such as what packages i
want
L154[00:38:12] <payonel> so i pacman -S
mingw :) ?
L155[00:38:35] <Izaya> choco install
mingw
L156[00:38:57] <gamax92> no, there should
literally be a start menu entry that's called mingw win32
shell
L157[00:39:13] <payonel> HA start
menus
L158[00:39:16] <gamax92> Izaya fuck
off
L159[00:39:18] <payonel> look at that, so
there is
L160[00:39:33] <gamax92> ...
L161[00:40:07] <gamax92> sleep time.
L162[00:40:12] <payonel> good night
L163[00:40:18] <SF-MC> night
L164[00:40:20] <payonel> #lua
os.sleep(math.huge)
L165[00:40:21] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string
"lua"]:1: attempt to call a nil value (field
'sleep')
L166[00:40:36] <SF-MC> There is no sleep()
in vanilla Lua :)
L167[00:40:37] <Sandra> :dc 10 8 * 10 2 8
+ - + p
L168[00:40:54] <SF-MC> 80 10 28 + - +
p
L169[00:41:06] <SF-MC> 80 10 10 - +
p
L170[00:41:10] <Sandra> ?
L171[00:41:17] <SF-MC> did I wrong?
L172[00:41:20] <payonel> #lua
coroutine.yield()
L173[00:41:20] <|0xDEADBEEF|> >
nil
L174[00:41:33] <Sandra> tf did you get 28
from?
L175[00:41:41] <SF-MC> oops!
L176[00:41:54] <SF-MC> 80 10 10 - +
p
L177[00:42:01] <SF-MC> missed a
space
L178[00:42:05] <Sandra> ye.
L179[00:42:07] <SF-MC> 80 0 + p
L180[00:42:09] <SF-MC> 80 p
L181[00:42:12] <SF-MC> 80
L182[00:42:35] <Sandra> duuu doo doo duuu
doo duuu.
L183[00:42:44] <SF-MC> alright
L184[00:42:55] <SF-MC> how do I make
RotaryCraft machines take lubricant?
L185[00:43:02] <SF-MC> I have the hose
piping into it
L186[00:43:08] <SF-MC> with lubricant in
the pipe
L187[00:43:11] <SF-MC> so what else do I
do?
L188[00:45:12] <gamax92> payonel:
seriously though how did you get anything to work if you didn't
know where that was
L189[00:46:04] <payonel> no idea
L190[00:46:20] <payonel> did i tell you my
main dev machine at work is going to be linux?
L191[00:46:31] <payonel> i'm excited and
not at the tsame time
L192[00:49:30] <gamax92> heh
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L194[00:51:04] <SoraFirestorm> how is that
not exciting?
L195[00:51:10] <SoraFirestorm> Windows is
horrible to devel on
L196[00:52:12] <SoraFirestorm> then
again
L197[00:52:25] <SoraFirestorm> I'll be
honest and say I've been lucky enough not to need to devel on
Window
L198[00:52:30] <SoraFirestorm>
s/Window/Windows/
L199[00:52:31] <MichiBot>
<SoraFirestorm> I'll be honest and say I've been lucky enough
not to need to devel on Windows
L200[00:52:36] <SoraFirestorm> maybe the
tools are tolerable
L201[00:53:29] <payonel> SoraFirestorm:
primarily - i've been programming not only on windows, but via
visual studio since 1997
L202[00:53:45] <Sandra> I develop on
windows.
L203[00:53:48] <Sandra> it's
alright....
L204[00:53:58] <Sandra> if you're not
coding natively.
L205[00:54:12] <payonel> i even was a dev
at msft for longhorn (became vista, they use our dlls in w7)
L206[00:54:20] <payonel> so yeah, im pro
window, burn me :)
L207[00:54:23] <payonel> windows*
L208[00:54:26] <Sandra> vstudio i've heard
is alright.
L209[00:54:35] <SoraFirestorm> holdon,
need to get torch and pitchfork
L210[00:54:46] <SoraFirestorm> in all
seriousness
L211[00:54:46] <payonel> if not native?
like, c++ :)
L212[00:55:01] <Sandra> but I can't use it
as it's a 13GB? download. on my 32GB disk.
L213[00:55:02] <Sandra> no.
L214[00:55:04] <SoraFirestorm> be prepared
to jump several levels of tools quality
L215[00:55:17] <payonel> Sandra: then you
mean windows native/specific libs?
L216[00:55:51] <Sandra> payonel, i mean
c++.
L217[00:55:53] <SoraFirestorm> to be
honest, I'm surprised that Windows NT hasn't collapsed under it's
own weight already
L218[00:55:56] <Sandra> in general.
L219[00:56:08] <Sandra> finding a fucking
compiler for that that works...
L220[00:56:10] <payonel> i hobby entirely
in linux, always have - but i dont have experience with large code
bases using linux-friendly ide's
L221[00:56:11] <Sandra>
buuuuurrrrrr.
L222[00:56:12] <payonel> so that'll be
new
L223[00:56:21] <SoraFirestorm> But that is
more a testament to the mountainloads of money M$ has
L224[00:56:26] <SoraFirestorm> not for any
quality in NT
L225[00:56:28] <payonel> Sandra: i'm a c++
dev, so i dont know what you mean
L226[00:56:56] <SoraFirestorm> payonel:
most people don't use IDEs in the Unix world AFAIK
L227[00:57:07] <Sandra> i had a bad
experience trying to obtain msvc.
L228[00:57:44] <payonel> SoraFirestorm:
syntax completion, coloring, integrated debugging, etc ... that
constitutes an ide
L229[00:57:45] <SoraFirestorm> but they
exist and nothing's stopping you
L230[00:57:58] <payonel> even if that
means multiple tools as plugins in one system
L231[00:58:19] <SoraFirestorm> sure
L232[00:58:22] <Sandra> payonel, well.....
coloring definitely doesn't.
L233[00:58:36] <SoraFirestorm> coloring is
in just about any editor
L234[00:58:37] <Sandra> considering that's
in almost every text editor.
L235[00:58:40] <payonel> none of those
features on their own
L236[00:58:40] <SoraFirestorm> ^
L237[00:58:41] <Sandra> yeah.
L238[00:58:43] <payonel> i saying, as a
package
L239[00:58:51] <Sandra> of course,
yeah.
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L241[00:59:03] <payonel> anyways, i'm
excited to learn more
L242[00:59:09] <payonel> and not be tied
to msft tools
L243[00:59:21] <SoraFirestorm> what editor
do you use in Linux?
L244[00:59:56] <payonel> to code? i dont -
i code in vs and rsync or jenkins build to linux
L245[01:00:26] <SoraFirestorm> lol
L246[01:00:38] <payonel> ppl have told me
to use emacs or vi
L247[01:00:49] <SoraFirestorm> I wouldn't
necessarily go that far
L248[01:01:02] <SoraFirestorm> I do happen
to really like Emacs, but there are other editors
L249[01:01:19] <payonel> i use nano for my
linux shell administration stuff
L250[01:01:23] <SoraFirestorm> Geany is
pretty IDE like
L251[01:01:35] <SoraFirestorm> I really
don't like nano
L252[01:01:36] <Sandra> gedit was my
childhood.
L253[01:01:51] <SoraFirestorm> mostly
because it's *just* different enough from Emacs in terms of
bindings
L254[01:01:53] <payonel> yeah nano is
really bland
L255[01:02:05] <Sandra> and that's what
makes it good.
L256[01:02:12] <payonel> but i've been too
lazy to learn emacs or vi
L257[01:02:19] <payonel> well, vi gets me
angy
L258[01:02:23] <payonel> so i'll probably
be an emacs guy
L259[01:02:28] <payonel>
or...gal...?
L260[01:02:29] <Sandra> means I don't have
to learn fucking BSD vi.
L261[01:02:31] <payonel> ok, i'm a
guy
L262[01:02:45] <Sandra> I know a little
vi.
L263[01:02:46] <SoraFirestorm> I never did
get to a level of understanding vi
L264[01:02:50] <Sandra> when I need
to.
L265[01:02:55] <SoraFirestorm> I know how
to open, save, and quit
L266[01:02:57] <SoraFirestorm> that's
about it
L267[01:03:09] <SoraFirestorm> Emacs was
much easier to learn imo
L268[01:03:22] <Sandra> I know "vi
filename" "i" ESC ":wq"
L269[01:03:29] <Sandra> that's all I need
to know.
L270[01:03:42] <SoraFirestorm> pretty much
what I know in vi
L271[01:04:01] <SoraFirestorm> Compared to
Emacs, where I know enough to actually *do* something
L272[01:04:10] <SoraFirestorm> like
search+replace
L273[01:04:12] <payonel> my use of vi is -
oh, this tool loads vi, crap, ok i know how to get into rw mode,
'i', .. etc
L274[01:04:53] <SoraFirestorm> payonel:
most tools shell out to $EDITOR in your env, whatever it happens to
be set to
L275[01:05:12] <KittyKath> SoraFirestorm:
/ - Search, :s/pattern/replacement/modifiers :P
L276[01:05:17] <SoraFirestorm> it'll work
to set $EDITOR to something that isn't vi for the most part
L277[01:05:27] <payonel> SoraFirestorm:
this happens to me in windows, where one wasn't expecting a $EDITOR
env var to be used
L278[01:05:33] <payonel> e.g. sourcetree
git shell
L279[01:05:43] <SoraFirestorm> ah
L280[01:06:02] <Sandra> i remember when I
showed off emacs at a editor war.
L281[01:06:10] <Sandra> I can't remember
how to use it at all anymore.
L282[01:06:12] <SoraFirestorm> KittyKath:
I still like C-s (Control-S) for search and M-% (Alt-%) for
search+replace :)
L283[01:06:33] <SoraFirestorm> I also use
C-a. C-e, and C-k all the time
L284[01:06:45] <KittyKath> SoraFirestorm:
You can like whatever :P
L285[01:06:58] <SoraFirestorm> righto
righto
L286[01:07:57] <KittyKath> I like myself
some vim magic and since vi is vim in less powerful I know vi as
well now :P
L287[01:08:05] <SoraFirestorm> it's not
like one of my friends
L288[01:08:15] <SoraFirestorm> uses
notepad++ from within wine the derp
L289[01:08:34] <SoraFirestorm> it's
apparently very crashy as a bonus
L290[01:08:45] <KittyKath> Well, I mean
Notepad++ is a good editor - for Windows.
L291[01:09:03] <SoraFirestorm> and there I
wouldn't mind as much
L292[01:09:12] <SoraFirestorm> but he
needs to become a man and use a native editor :P
L293[01:11:17] <KittyKath> Hmm, one of the
many graphical editors there are for Linux? Gedit, Kate (?)
etc?
L294[01:11:30] <SoraFirestorm> personally
don't care at that point
L295[01:11:35] <greaser|q> kwrite
L296[01:11:41] <greaser|q> leafpad
L297[01:11:51] <SoraFirestorm> as noted,
am an Emacs guy, other friends in our code circle are Emacs
guys
L298[01:12:07] <greaser|q> or in the
extreme case where you have no idea what the hell you are doing and
can't find a general-purpose editor but can somehow install python,
idle
L299[01:12:44] <greaser|q> but yeah these
days it'd most likely be gedit, leafpad, or kate/kwrite
L300[01:13:24] <Sandra> gedit man.
L301[01:13:27] <Sandra> gedit.
L302[01:13:52] <Sandra> that's my editor
of choice for non-ide usage.
L303[01:13:52] <KittyKath> gedit has the
advantage of not depeding on the KDE framework
L304[01:14:12] <Sandra> I use
IDEA->Gedit/Notepad++->Nano.
L305[01:14:22] <Sandra> depending on my
needs.
L306[01:14:49] <KittyKath> Vim->...
Vim.
L307[01:15:19] <SoraFirestorm> Emacs!
<3
L308[01:15:20] <SoraFirestorm> :P
L309[01:16:16] <Sandra> i couldn't use vim
or emacs entirely.
L310[01:16:33] <Sandra> I need my panes,
my syntax completions, other stuff.
L311[01:16:41] <KittyKath> ?
L312[01:16:49] <KittyKath> Panes? Syntax
Completion?
L313[01:16:54] <Sandra> yes.
L314[01:16:58] <SoraFirestorm> Emacs has
you covered on panes
L315[01:17:07] <KittyKath> You act as if
Emacs & vim don't have those :D
L316[01:17:07] <SoraFirestorm> And syntax
completion with the right packages
L317[01:17:49] <Sandra> eh, idea doesn't
require finding packages to do everything.
L318[01:17:56] <SoraFirestorm> fair
enough
L319[01:18:15] <SoraFirestorm> I find its
a crutch to rely on completion
L320[01:18:18] <SoraFirestorm> but to each
their own
L321[01:18:54] <KittyKath> Hmm. Go,
C/C++/ObjC, Rust, JavaScript, Java, Scala, Clojure, C#, F#,
Python... uh I think thats about it
L322[01:19:17] <SoraFirestorm> you can use
something like yasnippet
L323[01:19:27] <SoraFirestorm> which isn't
quite true completion
L324[01:19:31] <SoraFirestorm> but a lot
of people use it like that
L325[01:19:32] <KittyKath> Oh yeah and
lisp but that one sucks
L326[01:19:40] <KittyKath> CLisp that
is
L327[01:19:46] <Sandra> KittyKath, in....
IDEA?
L328[01:19:48] <Sandra> or......
L329[01:19:53] <KittyKath> Sandra: Nah, in
my fucking vim.
L330[01:19:59] <Sandra> ah.
L331[01:20:10] <Sandra> because idea
doesn't have C support much to my chagrin.
L332[01:20:31] <Sandra> you need
clion.
L333[01:20:31] <SoraFirestorm> most IDEs
don't support C for some reason
L334[01:20:44] <Sandra> THE THING IS THAT
JETBRAINS HAVE A C IDE.
L335[01:20:47] <SoraFirestorm> must be
because its 'old' or 'unsafe' or whatever
L336[01:20:50] <Sandra> BUILT ON
IDEA.
L337[01:21:11] <KittyKath> Sandra: Well,
sucks to be you? My 'IDE' supports all sorts of languages without
the need for plugins.
L338[01:21:12] <Sandra> BUT IT'S NOT
AVAILABLE AS A PLUGIN FOR IDEA UNLIKE EVERY SINGLE OTHER ONE THEY
HAVE.
L339[01:21:12] <snowden89> hey random
question
L340[01:21:19] <snowden89> anyone use
jetbrains
L341[01:21:21] <snowden89> pycharm
L342[01:21:33] <Sandra> technically,
yes.
L343[01:21:43] <snowden89> how do i get it
to install modules
L344[01:21:53] <KittyKath> snowden89: g
does
L345[01:21:54] <Sandra> uhh.... ide
modules?
L346[01:22:01] <Sandra> or... python
modules?
L347[01:22:04] <snowden89> i have stuff i
have installed via pip
L348[01:22:10] <snowden89> that do not
show at all in pycharm
L349[01:22:35] <Sandra> presumably you'd
have to add them to your project, or something.
L350[01:23:02] <Sandra> python annoys
me.
L351[01:23:03] <snowden89> so it reports
errors but running it from cmd runs fine bugs me not being able to
run straight from pycharm
L352[01:23:13] <snowden89> lol its been
annoying me as well
L353[01:23:25] <snowden89> I am thinking
of going to C++
L354[01:23:27] <snowden89> again
L355[01:23:39] <Sandra> oh if pycharm
doesn't run it but the python instance on your machine does,
presumably pycharm is using a different one.
L356[01:23:49] <snowden89> checked
that
L357[01:24:16] <snowden89> its both the
new one unless pycharm installs its own instance?
L358[01:24:23] <snowden89> hmm
L359[01:24:26] <snowden89> never checked
that option
L360[01:25:12] <snowden89> my issue with
python i feel is that it does not force you to use
L361[01:25:15] <snowden89> OOP
practices
L362[01:25:19] <snowden89> and due to
this
L363[01:25:35] <Sandra> oh no that's
fine.
L364[01:25:40] <Sandra> C++ doesn't
either.
L365[01:25:52] <Sandra> the syntax is
awful.
L366[01:26:00] <Sandra> is my main
complaint.
L367[01:26:03] <snowden89> for which
one
L368[01:26:05] <Sandra> but... continue
on.
L369[01:26:17] <Sandra> python syntax is
awful.
L370[01:26:40] <SoraFirestorm> Not forcing
OOP is a feature
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L372[01:26:45] <Sandra> i like my clear
delimeters, with no care for whitespace.
L373[01:26:50] <SoraFirestorm> Forcing OOP
leads to trainwrecks like Java
L374[01:26:59] <SoraFirestorm> where you
have to overcomplicate simple programs
L375[01:27:02] <SoraFirestorm> please
no
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L377[01:27:10] <Sandra> yeah, forcing OOP
isn't a grrreat idea.
L378[01:27:16] <Sandra> good to support
it.
L379[01:27:20] <KittyKath> Language Wars!
\o/
L380[01:27:22] <Sandra> but you don't need
it.
L381[01:27:34] *
Sandra feels like writing a CPU emulator.
L382[01:27:42] <Sandra> dunno what
language in.
L383[01:27:45] <Sandra> either java or
lua.
L384[01:27:47] <KittyKath> Ada!
L385[01:27:49] <Sandra> those are my
things.
L386[01:27:57] <Sandra> what.
L387[01:28:01] <KittyKath> Ada!
L388[01:28:02] <Sandra> ada?
L389[01:28:02] <SoraFirestorm> for
srsly?
L390[01:28:07] <KittyKath> Ada!
L391[01:28:07] <snowden89> SoraFirestorm:
more so that due to the openness i dont understand OOP at all
L393[01:28:36] <snowden89> thats generally
how i have been using classes
L394[01:28:42] <Sandra> python's OOP is
rubbish tbh anyway.
L395[01:29:04] <SoraFirestorm> you're
using it as a struct
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L397[01:29:12] <Sandra> snowden89, just
pop those methods in the class?
L398[01:29:34] <SoraFirestorm> you're not
even doing anything serious in the __init__()
L399[01:29:40] <Dashkal> You're all wrong.
Vim/Haskell.
L400[01:29:42] <Sandra> or... idk.
L401[01:29:43] *
Dashkal grumps
L402[01:29:44] <SoraFirestorm> you create
a tuple then throw it away
L403[01:29:56] <Sandra> Dashkal,
haskell......
L404[01:29:57] <Sandra> ah....
L405[01:30:00] *
KittyKath cuddles grumpy Dashkal
L406[01:30:02] <KittyKath> Sandra:
Shhh
L407[01:30:13] <Sandra> good
language.
L408[01:30:17] <Sandra> gooooood
language.
L409[01:30:21] <Dashkal> Heh
L410[01:30:32] <SoraFirestorm> I'm partial
to C
L411[01:30:34] <Dashkal> I'm likely to
switch to it in my day job. Reaching the limitations of
Scala.
L412[01:30:37] <Sandra> i still don't
understand it.
L413[01:30:38] <snowden89> well basically
what i want is for it to output in that way
L414[01:30:40] <SoraFirestorm> But I'm
weird that way
L415[01:30:42] <KittyKath> Dashkal:
\o/
L416[01:30:43] <Dashkal> And by reaching,
I mean I'm making the compiler cry.
L417[01:30:47] <Dashkal> And crash
>.>
L418[01:30:49] <Sandra> but.....
nah.
L419[01:30:52] <Dashkal> And
explode.
L420[01:30:54] <snowden89> and i seen
other code use class like that
L421[01:30:55] <SoraFirestorm> I'm also
working on my Lisp
L422[01:30:58] <Sandra> Dashkal, what the
hell are you doing?
L423[01:31:06] <Dashkal> Implementing a
type checker.
L424[01:31:12] <Sandra> ...
L425[01:31:15] <snowden89> but regarding
parents and child no clue
L426[01:31:28] <Dashkal> A good type
checker means damn good feedback to the user when they mess
up.
L427[01:31:39] <snowden89> as everything
just shows you animal dog cat varients
L428[01:31:51] <Dashkal> I'll dress it up
in words like 'validator', but it's a static type checker at it's
core.
L429[01:31:52] <Sandra> snowden89,
well.... yeah.
L430[01:32:06] <Sandra> thats p
accurate.
L431[01:32:06] <Dashkal> minus a '
L432[01:32:08] <SoraFirestorm> That's
probably a decent example of it
L433[01:32:28] <Sandra> inheritance means
"take everything from this class and put it in this
class."
L434[01:32:38] <Sandra> "also do
weird type shit."
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L437[01:33:20] <Sandra> ... why is python
2 STILL a thing.
L438[01:33:25] <snowden89> it is?
L439[01:33:30] <SoraFirestorm> because
people are awful
L440[01:33:34] <KittyKath> Sandra: Because
Python 3 breaks stuff.
L441[01:33:34] <Sandra> apparently.
L442[01:33:36] <SoraFirestorm> snowden89:
unfortunately
L443[01:33:44] <Sandra> KittyKath, WELL
FIX THE STUFF THEN.
L444[01:33:48] <snowden89> my issue seems
to be debian hates me
L445[01:33:51] <Sandra> gegus.
L446[01:33:56] <snowden89> i habe 3.5.1 on
windows
L447[01:33:58] <KittyKath> And if you have
some core software running on Python 2 then you won't. Get real
Sandra.
L448[01:34:04] <snowden89> but debian wont
update to it
L449[01:34:06] <snowden89> from 3.4
L450[01:34:18] <Dashkal> Python 3 is the
object lesson of why you just write a new language instead of
breaking backwords compat.
L451[01:34:20] <SoraFirestorm> What
channel of Debian do you have?
L452[01:34:21] <Dashkal> People simply
don't update.
L453[01:34:21] <Sandra> Python 2.7.11
2015-12-05
L454[01:34:24] <Sandra> this is no.
L455[01:34:39] <KittyKath> Dashkal: Or
write a PHP7 :P
L456[01:34:41] <SoraFirestorm> Sandra:
that's a bugfix release though
L457[01:34:48] <Sandra> SoraFirestorm, so
what?
L458[01:34:52] <Sandra> it's
obsolete.
L459[01:35:00] <SoraFirestorm> snowden89:
realize that Debian, especially stable, is rather slow to
update
L460[01:35:02] <Sandra> don't fix bugs,
that makes people stay on it.
L461[01:35:14] <Dashkal> Kitty, I love you
and all, but you should probably know that mentions of PHP sets off
PTSD at this point...
L462[01:35:24] <Dashkal> I worked PHP for
a few years... *shudders*
L463[01:35:31] *
KittyKath hugs poor Dashkal :(
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L465[01:35:51] <Sandra> php7 is not /that/
php i don't think though.
L466[01:35:54] <ping> Dashkal, PHP so shut
:(
L467[01:35:58] <ping> shit
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L469[01:36:20] <SoraFirestorm> snowden89:
going back to OOP
L470[01:36:25] <snowden89> Debian
4.7.2-5
L471[01:36:27] <Dashkal> I.. used it for
years. I even got /good/ at it... I'm not convinced it's not a
cruel joke.
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L473[01:36:37] <SoraFirestorm> Debian...
4?
L474[01:36:38] <SoraFirestorm> no
way
L475[01:36:42] <SoraFirestorm> no way in
*hell*
L476[01:36:51] <Sandra> ?
L477[01:36:54] <ping> Dashkal, nobody is
"good" at PHP
L478[01:36:58] <SoraFirestorm> where did
that 4 number come from?
L479[01:37:05] <Dashkal> ping: Relative
scale. Must use a relative scale...
L480[01:37:24] <Sandra> pip....
eurgh.
L481[01:37:26] <snowden89> hmm
L482[01:37:32] <Dashkal> I had websites
with a mean time to crash measured in double digit hit
counts!
L483[01:37:36] <Sandra> stop giving your
languages package managers.
L484[01:37:55] <snowden89> weird
L485[01:38:01] <snowden89> why did that
output like that
L486[01:38:05] <snowden89> anyway its
8
L487[01:38:07] <snowden89> jessie
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L489[01:38:09] <SoraFirestorm> Sandra: the
only other option is to package real packages for real OS and
manage to do something for Windows
L490[01:38:23] <SoraFirestorm> snowden89:
then don't expect an upgrade for a little while
L491[01:38:33] <SoraFirestorm> Stable
doesn't just update to new shinies on a whim
L492[01:39:08] <Sandra> or...
alternatively you can stop being a dumbass and do sane library
management?
L493[01:39:11] <SoraFirestorm> yeah it
sucks
L494[01:39:17] <SoraFirestorm> define
'sane' then?
L495[01:39:23] <KittyKath> Sandra:
Language package managers are an abdomination. A useful
abdomination though.
L496[01:39:35] *
Dashkal has yet to meet a sane dependency manager.
L497[01:39:39] <SoraFirestorm>
s/abdomination/abomination/g
L498[01:39:40] <MichiBot>
<KittyKath> Sandra: Language package managers are an
abomination. A useful abomination though.
L499[01:39:52] <SoraFirestorm> ftfy
KittyKath
L500[01:39:58] <KittyKath> whatever
\o/
L501[01:40:05] <Dashkal> Every single one
I've used has failed to perform it's primary function in some silly
way.
L502[01:40:09] <Sandra> Dashkal, humans
exist.
L503[01:40:16] <Dashkal> Humans are the
worst.
L504[01:40:19] <KittyKath> ^^
L505[01:40:27] <Dashkal> I say that
without flippancy or sarcasm. Squishy brains suck at this.
L506[01:40:48] <Sandra> I agree that all
dependency managers fail immensely.
L507[01:40:49] <KittyKath> No sarcasm.
Pure cynism :P
L508[01:40:55] <Sandra> literally all of
them.
L509[01:40:55] <Dashkal> True
L510[01:40:56] <SoraFirestorm>
anyways
L511[01:40:59] <SoraFirestorm> ought to go
to bed
L512[01:41:02] <snowden89> Sandra: what do
you recommand for something that will work on all systems, allows
OOP, i can easily use it for any field of interest
L513[01:41:04] <SoraFirestorm> is getting
late in PST land
L514[01:41:14] *
Dashkal checks the clock
L515[01:41:14] <SoraFirestorm> snowden89:
*all* systems?
L516[01:41:16] <SoraFirestorm> C
L517[01:41:17] <Dashkal> It's not even
midnight!
L518[01:41:17] <Sandra> snowden89,
Lua!
L519[01:41:22] <gamax92> good night here
too
L520[01:41:23] <SoraFirestorm> or
Lua
L521[01:41:24] <Sandra> SoraFirestorm, no,
Lua.
L522[01:41:27] <Dashkal> gamax92: o/
L523[01:41:28] <Sandra> C doesn't do
that.
L524[01:41:40] <Sandra> ANSI C does, but
not your typical C.
L525[01:41:49] <SoraFirestorm> Lua is a
pain to get extension libs for though
L526[01:41:53] <snowden89> wait
L527[01:41:55] <Sandra> pfft, no.
L528[01:41:59] <snowden89> OOP and
C?
L529[01:42:02] <Sandra> not at
all.......
L530[01:42:08] <snowden89> i thought c did
not even do classes
L531[01:42:09] <Sandra> yeah, no.
L532[01:42:13] <Sandra> it doesn't.
L533[01:42:16] <Sandra> it has
structs.
L534[01:42:18] <SoraFirestorm> the 5.1 /
5.2+ split is as bad as the Python 2 / 3 split
L535[01:42:20] <CompanionCube> yay for
bodging kernel upgrade ._.
L536[01:42:26] <SoraFirestorm> You can
emulate OOP in C
L537[01:42:29] <CompanionCube> one
boot-from-rescue-disk later
L538[01:42:35] <Sandra> SoraFirestorm,
...
L539[01:42:40] <Sandra> no, don't do
that.
L540[01:42:41] <Sandra> don't.
L541[01:42:43] <KittyKath> snowden89: If
All systems means Linux/winderps/mac - C++, C#, JVM. If all systems
means all systems, then C. You can make "classes" with
structs and fucntion pointers
L542[01:42:45] <Sandra> dooooon't.
L543[01:42:48] <SoraFirestorm> I never
said it was a good idea
L544[01:43:02] <Sandra> DOOOOOOOOOON'T DO
THAT.
L545[01:43:04] <SoraFirestorm> I was
focusing on the 'all systems' part when I said C
L546[01:43:07] <snowden89> ok well i am
already learning C#
L547[01:43:20] <snowden89> and C++ has
been an off and on thing
L548[01:43:29] <CompanionCube> aren't
there multiple off-the-shelf object models for C?
L549[01:43:33] <SoraFirestorm> Lua is
great... until you need something not in the stdlib
L550[01:43:33] <Sandra> snowden89, go for
C++ then. *shrug*
L551[01:43:38] <SoraFirestorm> then it's a
pain
L552[01:43:45] <Sandra> SoraFirestorm,
pfft, it's not that hard.
L553[01:43:51] <Sandra> you just get it
off luarocks!
L554[01:43:52] <Sandra> ...
L555[01:43:54] <snowden89> thats my
current plant
L556[01:43:55] <Sandra> i know.
L557[01:43:57] <snowden89> plan*
L558[01:44:23] <SoraFirestorm> says the
person who hates language package managers
L559[01:44:34] <Sandra> hence the
"..." "i know."
L560[01:44:42] <SoraFirestorm> did not
type fast enough
L561[01:44:49] <KittyKath> snowden89: Of
course Ruby is also more or less OOP and more or less
Cross-platform. Not sure if its fast enough for you, Ruby is
slooooooow
L562[01:44:50] <SoraFirestorm> s/did/I
did/
L563[01:44:54] <MichiBot>
<SoraFirestorm> I did not type fast enough
L564[01:44:57] <Sandra> ruby is
reasonable, yeah.
L565[01:45:04] <SoraFirestorm> or
Python
L566[01:45:10] <Sandra> also, KittyKath,
it's not that slow anymore iirc.
L567[01:45:15] <Sandra> not /that/
fast.
L568[01:45:21] <Sandra> but not garbage
speed anymore.
L569[01:45:25] <snowden89> lol we started
at python
L570[01:45:26] <snowden89> lol
L571[01:45:26] <KittyKath> Python is not
as OOP as Ruby last time I talked to rubyists.
L572[01:45:29] <SoraFirestorm> some
implementations of Lisp are pretty portable
L573[01:45:29] <Sandra> as of 2.0 or
something.
L574[01:45:38] <KittyKath> Sandra: I
compare to C after clang. Ruby is slow.
L575[01:45:40] <SoraFirestorm> And you
have the CLOS as part of the Common Lisp standard
L576[01:45:52] <Sandra> python is
garbage.
L577[01:46:09] <KittyKath> Sandra:
subjective :P
L578[01:46:12] <Sandra> I'm not a fan of
ruby anymore either.
L579[01:46:14] <SoraFirestorm> indent ==
block is stupid
L580[01:46:21] <SoraFirestorm> but just
about everything else about Python is awesome
L581[01:46:21] <Sandra> SoraFirestorm, I
AGREE.
L582[01:46:25] <SoraFirestorm> hugeass
stdlib
L583[01:46:28] <Sandra> nah.....
L584[01:46:35] <SoraFirestorm> Builtin
FFI
L585[01:46:38] <Sandra> the ruby stdlib is
better.
L586[01:46:58] <Sandra> ruby was my first
language.
L587[01:47:06] <SoraFirestorm> And lots of
syntax awesomes
L588[01:47:13] <SoraFirestorm> heh
L589[01:47:21] <SoraFirestorm> My first
language was Perl
L590[01:47:25] <SoraFirestorm> have not
touched in years
L591[01:47:51] <Sandra> i've not touched
ruby in years either.
L592[01:47:53] <SoraFirestorm>
anyways
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L594[01:48:00] <SoraFirestorm> you all got
me distracted
L595[01:48:03] <SoraFirestorm> I'm going
to bed
L596[01:48:06] <SoraFirestorm> Laters #oc
o/
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L598[01:48:17] <Sandra> my experience with
ruby is basically rubybook and gedit.
L599[01:48:39] <KittyKath> Oh yeah I
forgot that Emacs has an IRC client
L600[01:48:49] <Sandra> i tried
implementing the Jukebox example from the rubybook.
L601[01:48:52] <CompanionCube> KittyKath,
*multiple* IRC clients
L602[01:48:57] <Sandra> that ended
kinda.... badly.
L603[01:49:01] <KittyKath> CompanionCube:
Probably
L604[01:49:11] <CompanionCube> mutliple
web browsers too
L605[01:49:15] <CompanionCube> same for
mailreaders
L606[01:49:21] ***
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L607[01:49:47] <KittyKath>
"\/(oO)\/" Emacs
L608[01:50:24] <CompanionCube> there's
also the text processing suite known as 'org-mode'
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L610[01:51:01] <KittyKath> Hmm. I managed
to slow down my vim bootup by .25s. Need to debug this
>.>
L611[01:51:14] <KittyKath> s/by /to
/g
L612[01:51:14] <MichiBot>
<KittyKath> Hmm. I managed to slow down my vim bootup to
.25s. Need to debug this >.>
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L614[01:51:35] *
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L615[01:51:50] <CompanionCube> KittyKath,
did I mention emacs also has multiple webservers
L616[01:51:55] <KittyKath> Nope
L617[01:51:59] <KittyKath> Not that I care
though.
L618[01:52:20] <Dashkal> That reminds me.
I've seen ensime-vim under recent dev.
L619[01:52:28] <Dashkal> Might be time to
jump into that pit of hell again.
L620[01:52:36] <Dashkal> Once a year or so
I try to divest myself of idea.
L621[01:52:38] <Dashkal> Never
works.
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L624[01:53:56] <KittyKath> Dashkal: eclim
works reasonable. But that's eclipse headless with a Vim frontend
so it might not be your cup of dead baby tree.
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L626[01:54:18] <Dashkal> The eclipse scala
tooling is... well, it's never worked for me.
L627[01:54:23] <Dashkal> Literally never
functioned
L628[01:55:01] <Kimiro> o-o
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L631[02:00:58] <KittyKath> Dashkal:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Haskell allow for the Unicode
equivalents of characters in their sourcecode. As in → for ->, ←
for <- etc?
L632[02:01:08] <Dashkal> Not sure. Never
tried.
L633[02:01:10] <Dashkal> I know Scala
does.
L634[02:01:25] <KittyKath> Hm, okay
L635[02:01:32] <Dashkal> Once in awhile I
see someone using the unicode => for function defs.
L636[02:02:24] <KittyKath> The better ones
I see are ∅ for (), ∈ for `elem` and ∉ for `notElem`
L637[02:03:16] <Dashkal> I appear to lack
those fonts
L638[02:03:21] <KittyKath> ^^
L639[02:03:41] <KittyKath> The
mathematical equiv for elem and not elem and empty group for
()
L640[02:05:02] <Dashkal> I see people use
them once in awhile, but it's rare enough I've never bothered to
install the fonts or set up keyboard sequences for them.
L641[02:05:26] <Dashkal> About all I use
is lambda, alpha, beta (no shortcuts on my gaming rig)
L642[02:06:06] <KittyKath> My vim replaces
`elem` etc with the unicode codepoint. I don't have any key
sequences set up either. Well `elem` for ∈ but does that
count?
L643[02:06:25] <Dashkal> That works
too.
L644[02:06:39] <Dashkal> I could get idea
to do the same if I were inclined.
L645[02:06:51] <Dashkal> I may ask you for
that trick if I manage to switch to Haskell
L646[02:07:17] <KittyKath> I might update
my dotfiles repo at some point then you can go look at it for
yourself \o/
L647[02:07:51] <Dashkal> Of course my
primary complaint with vim still applies, so I may never manage to
fully convert to it.
L648[02:08:01] *
Dashkal mutters about cursor-on-character
L649[02:08:07] <KittyKath> Oh, use gvim
then
L650[02:08:16] <Dashkal> It's inherent to
vim.
L651[02:08:20] <KittyKath> Or any of the
other graphical frontends
L652[02:08:32] <Dashkal> The whole
"do you want to paste forward or backwords?" bit
L653[02:08:57] <Dashkal> Repeat that
question for every single command.
L654[02:09:30] <KittyKath> I currently
fail to see how you don't ask that question if the cursor is
between characters?
L655[02:10:14] <Dashkal> Constructives are
always on-cursor.
L656[02:10:20] <Dashkal> Only for
destructives do you need to ask that.
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L658[02:10:57] <KittyKath> And how should
it work?
L659[02:11:26] <Dashkal> That way. If
doing something constructive, do it where my cursor is. If doing
something destructive, I'll specify (backspace vs delete)
L660[02:12:07] <KittyKath> Uh... And how
is that differnet in Vim now?
L661[02:12:24] <Dashkal> Vim when doing
something constructive, or when navigating, you have to
specify.
L662[02:12:45] <Dashkal> Paste forward,
paste back. Navigate to the next thing, navigate to /just before/
the next thing.
L663[02:13:19] <KittyKath> So you have a
superset of what you want but are still pissed? I don't get
you.
L664[02:13:38] <Dashkal> That superset is
hard to ignore. And I've tried just taking an axe to the damn
binds.
L665[02:13:46] <Dashkal> About three hours
in I said fuck it and went back to a gui editor.
L666[02:14:17] <Dashkal> The thing is I'm
only giving surface examples. The cursor-on-character bit is very
deep into vim. Everything assumes it.
L667[02:14:51] <KittyKath> Yeah and I
never played enough with IDEA not using vim bindings that I have
any Idea what you are rambling about.
L668[02:15:09] <Dashkal> Idea's text
editor is pretty bog standard gui style.
L669[02:15:22] <Dashkal> I neither love
nor hate it.
L670[02:15:38] <Dashkal> My issues with
idea come down to it's crappy indexer and typer.
L671[02:15:50] <Dashkal> I can send idea
into fits very very easily.
L672[02:16:52] <Dashkal> minus a '. Hate
that thing so much...
L673[02:18:03] <KittyKath> Could be.
Again, I have neither enough experience with IDEA nor Scala to ever
have had that problem :P
L674[02:18:30] <Dashkal> If not careful, I
send idea's indexer into a busy loop. Guns a core and the editor
stops responding.
L675[02:18:40] <Dashkal> In other words,
it starts failing at its primary function/.
L676[02:18:45] <Dashkal> It's why I'm
looking for better.
L677[02:19:15] <KittyKath> I had vim crash
on me before. But that was because I made a plugin segfault
L678[02:26:12] <snowden89> lol dont use
any plugins for vim
L679[02:26:26] <KittyKath> snowden89: Yep,
you're doing it wrong then.
L680[02:26:28] <snowden89> never had
issues backspacing or deleting
L681[02:26:42] <snowden89> and i dont
enable cursor support
L682[02:27:34] <snowden89> but that is
also due to the
L683[02:27:44] <snowden89> fact I am never
infront of the pc running software
L684[02:27:48] <snowden89> its always
SSH
L685[02:27:52] <snowden89> from windows
device
L686[02:28:07] <snowden89> so all i need
is to be able to copy and paste window in putty
L687[02:28:07] <KittyKath> Windows? You're
*really* doing it wrong then.
L688[02:28:16] <snowden89> lol
L689[02:28:24] <snowden89> work pc and
laptop for gaming
L690[02:28:25] <Dashkal> mrh, windows is
for play.
L691[02:28:29] <snowden89> main desktop
for gaming
L692[02:28:36] <Dashkal> I pull out the
laptop if I need to get any work done.
L693[02:28:39] <snowden89> linux session
runs headless
L694[02:28:49] <snowden89> that i work out
of
L695[02:29:00] <Dashkal> I'm a software
dev, not it. An ssh session is not going to cut it.
L696[02:29:00] <snowden89> also means
everything is on a different device
L697[02:29:04] <snowden89> if anything
kills my system
L698[02:29:17] <snowden89> all my projects
are safe being backed up to VPS
L699[02:29:25] <snowden89> and home
filestorage
L700[02:29:58] <KittyKath> My software is
(thanks to git) always mirrored to at least two devices.
L701[02:30:06] <Dashkal> ^
L702[02:30:27] <KittyKath> More often than
not more like 4 to 5 different hard drives all over the
place.
L703[02:30:28] <snowden89> yeah i use git
as well
L704[02:30:45] <snowden89> and have raid
10 setup for fileserver
L705[02:30:55] <snowden89> only 2tb
though
L706[02:31:03] <KittyKath> Raid 10 for a
fileserver? AHAHAHAHAHA god I'm so sorry for you.
L707[02:31:05] <snowden89> as dont have
money for it
L708[02:31:17] <snowden89> whats wrong
with 10 :(
L709[02:31:30] <KittyKath> For a
fileserver *everything*
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L711[02:31:47] <KittyKath> Its slow, more
likely to crash and burn and offers little protection.
L712[02:31:49] <snowden89> its a backup
file server
L713[02:32:04] <snowden89> incase the
offsite one dies
L714[02:32:10] <snowden89> on the
VPS
L715[02:32:16] <KittyKath> Its either a
backup or a file server. If its both you're doing it wrong.
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L717[02:34:40] <snowden89> then i most
likely is
L718[02:34:48] <snowden89> cuase its a
server that
L719[02:35:14] <snowden89> is only used to
store the user directories of multiple pcs
L720[02:35:15] <KittyKath> You most likely
are, yes.
L721[02:35:28] <snowden89> which is made
up of files
L722[02:35:35] <snowden89> from windows to
linux
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L724[02:37:56] <Kimiro> RF Tools
dimensions with spheres of gold blocks. :> I shall never want
for gold again~
L725[02:42:01] <KittyKath> '\\\([^u]\)'
vim regex ._.
L726[02:46:06] <g> as you say, Pfft.
L728[02:47:50] <KittyKath> "B.head
msg ≡ '^'" This will take some time to completely get used to
:D
L730[02:53:22] <KittyKath> Izaya: Your
interned is sloooow <.<
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L732[02:54:28] <Izaya> KittyKath: 30KB/s
up average
L733[02:55:13] <KittyKath> Izaya:
Congratulations on getting FreeBSD to run though :P
L734[02:55:23] <Izaya> that was the easy
part
L735[02:55:27] <Izaya> the hard part is
compiling xorg
L736[02:55:55] <Izaya> currently compiling
recent gcc so I can compile xorg
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L738[02:58:06] <greaser|q> it can't be
harder than trying to get recent enough mesa drivers in the linux
chroot on FreeBSD/amd64
L739[02:58:06] <greaser|q> i don't recall
if i had to upgrade gcc but i definitely had to upgrade the x
libs
L740[02:59:17] <greaser|q> also, heaps of
"fun" trying to scrape enough parts together using
rpm2cpio to get anything to work... at some point after getting 3d
acceleration working in linux emulation (read: about a year later)
i managed to get rpm to work
L741[02:59:25] <greaser|q> and just
strapped off that
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L743[02:59:48] <greaser|q> as an added
bonus, some of the rpms didn't work with glibc 2.9
L744[02:59:55] <greaser|q> so i had to
build from source
L745[03:01:18] <greaser|q> anyhow
gnight
L746[03:03:21] <Izaya> night
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L749[03:22:20] *
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L750[03:35:20] *
KittyKath pokes Kimiro
L751[03:35:33] *
Kimiro pokes KittyKath back o-o
L752[03:35:44] <KittyKath> \o/
L753[03:36:21] <Kimiro> What's up?
L754[03:36:30] <KittyKath> the sky
:P
L755[03:36:33] <Izaya> KittyKath: 30KB/s
up average/buf15
L756[03:36:37] <Izaya> fuck
L757[03:36:41] <KittyKath> gf :D
L758[03:36:42] <Izaya> sorry about
that
L759[03:36:45] <KittyKath> np
L760[03:37:13] *
Kimiro cattleprods KittyKath
L761[03:37:14] <Izaya> don't you love it
when you go to switch buffers and it doesn't do anything because
you had text in the text field
L762[03:37:17] <Kimiro> No. Bad.
L763[03:37:27] <KittyKath> Izaya:
Currently 41,3 MBit/s up. ;D
L764[03:37:34] <Izaya> :<
L765[03:37:50] <Izaya> currently compiling
gcc and configuring xorg at the same time
L766[03:38:00] <KittyKath> Kimiro:
bytheby, do you mind if people call you a gay faggot?
L767[03:38:13] <Kimiro> Not really.
::3
L768[03:39:33] <KittyKath> Because I was
reading a code of conduct and I realized that calling somebody a
gay faggot is probably breaking like 99% of them. But I see it
often that good friends regularly insult each other.
L769[03:40:17] <g> which CoC was it this
time? :P
L770[03:40:32] <KittyKath> Maybe that's
why men have more issues with CoC. Huh
L771[03:40:36] <g> sounds like contributor
convenant
L772[03:40:48] <g> yeah, men do that kind
of thing a lot
L774[03:41:00] <g> mind you, I know a lot
of women that do it as well
L775[03:41:13] <KittyKath> I never said
women don't do it. But I see it more often in men.
L776[03:41:19] <g> ah, geek feminism
L777[03:41:25] <Kimiro> Heh.
L778[03:41:32] <g> there you have it,
then
L779[03:41:37] <g> Yeah, I get you
L780[03:41:55] <Kimiro> Men are assholes
to each other's face. Women are assholes behind each other's
back.
L781[03:41:59] <KittyKath> The problem is
not geek feminism or feminism in general. It the "I'm offended
on behalf of others."
L782[03:42:09] <g> No, I mean
L783[03:42:13] <g> that's where the CoC
comes from
L785[03:42:29] <KittyKath> There were CoC
before 3rd wave feminism was a thing.
L786[03:42:52] <Kimiro> Unrelatedly,
KittyKath, would you mind me calling you a furfag? :P
L787[03:43:12] <KittyKath> And I just lost
a NdFeB magnet. <.<
L788[03:43:32] <g> they actually said
"cuss"
L789[03:43:33] <KittyKath> Kimiro: I don't
mind what people call me. For some people I even listen to
"Bitch"
L790[03:43:36] <g> I feel like I'm 12
again
L791[03:43:46] <vifino> Kathderp!
\o/
L792[03:43:51] <Kimiro> Bitch furfag.
*Nods*
L793[03:43:52] <KittyKath> vifderp!
\o/
L794[03:44:05] <KittyKath> Kimiro: You are
not one of those "some people"
L795[03:44:07] *
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L796[03:44:13] *
KittyKath cuddles vifino
L797[03:44:23] <Kimiro> Yet. :>
L798[03:44:43] <KittyKath> ^^
L799[03:45:10] <Izaya> gcc is still
compiling, xorg is still configuring
L800[03:45:15] <Izaya> gotta love
PowerlessPC
L801[03:45:49] <KittyKath> Kimiro: I'm not
really a furry though. I'm just acting :P
L802[03:46:00] <vifino> Izaya: Patience,
young old hardware aficionado.
L803[03:46:05] <Kimiro> Teehee.
L804[03:46:38] <KittyKath> Isn't Izaya
older than vifino?
L805[03:46:44] <KittyKath> Nope, nvm
L806[03:46:59] <vifino> Good job,
KittyKath.
L807[03:47:02] <g> that was a quick
backtrack
L809[03:47:16] <KittyKath> g: If you have
both contacts in your phone its simple to check
L810[03:47:40] <g> depends on whether you
put all the birthdays in I guess
L811[03:47:49] <KittyKath> If I know them,
I do.
L812[03:48:49] <Izaya> I avoid doing so,
personally
L813[03:49:14] <g> I think facebook does
that automatically
L814[03:49:18] <g> at least on mine
L815[03:49:21] <KittyKath> g: Don't have
facebook \o/
L816[03:49:28] <g> I'm not surprised
L818[03:49:37] <g> but that's how I
usually "remember" them anyway
L819[03:52:03] <g> I'm one of the 3 people
that misses the facebook gifts thing
L821[03:52:10] <vifino> aaah, carp.
L822[03:52:24] <vifino> shebangs don't
take three arguments.
L823[03:52:52] <g> I wonder how you put a
shebang into a filetype that doesn't support # as a comment?
L824[03:53:02] <KittyKath> Same deal
:P
L825[03:53:11] <vifino> g: I put a
shebangs in front of a zip file.
L826[03:53:21] <g> yeah, but say, for
example, a lua file
L827[03:53:27] <Izaya> xorg has finished
configuring
L828[03:53:28] <vifino> work fine.
L829[03:53:29] <KittyKath> g: POSIX will
not send that line to the interpreter
L830[03:53:33] <g> oh, I see
L831[03:53:43] <vifino> KittyKath: you
sure bout that?
L832[03:54:05] <KittyKath> vifino: It
should to be compliant iirc.
L833[03:54:33] <vifino> $ ./cat.cat
L834[03:54:34] <vifino>
#!/usr/bin/cat
L835[03:54:34] <vifino> This is a script
with cat in the shebang.
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L837[03:56:17] <Izaya> gcc is currently
compiling the mips cross-compiler
L838[03:58:00] <vifino> KittyKath: The
shebang basically runs the binary with maximal one argument, with
the file name as the last argument. It can't take out the file,
because that would imply modifying the file directly, since the
application does the reading.
L839[03:58:18] <vifino> The application
can decide to not read it at all, even.
L840[03:58:33] <vifino> You can put
#!/bin/echo in a file for all it cares.
L841[03:59:08] *
Saphire flops
L845[03:59:38] <Saphire> How do i
programmically replace a(n) with correct a or an if i know next
word? ._.
L846[03:59:45] <Izaya> contents of
~/.cat.sh:
L847[03:59:54] <Izaya>
#!/home/izaya/.cat.sh
L848[04:00:29] <KittyKath> Saphire: :s/a
([aeiou])/an \1/g :P
L849[04:00:37] <vifino> KittyKath:
tl;dr?
L850[04:00:39] <Saphire> an hour
L851[04:00:46] <vifino> I see "If the
file starts with the two bytes #!, then the program is started
whose name is found following the #!, with the name of the current
file as an argument. " which does nothing but prove my
point.
L852[04:00:47] <Saphire> badum-ts
L853[04:01:13] <Saphire> KittyKath: that
won't work >_>
L854[04:01:27] <Izaya> currently compiling
binutils
L855[04:01:28] <KittyKath> Your point is
not wrong?
L856[04:01:33] <KittyKath> Saphire: Too
bad, eh?
L857[04:01:40] <Izaya> man how do OS X
users cope when their OS doesn't come with a compiler?
L858[04:01:46] <Izaya> nor does Windows,
now that I think about it
L859[04:01:54] <g> I was about to say,
windows doesn't either
L861[04:02:04] <Izaya> HOW DO PEOPLE
COPE
L862[04:02:05] <KittyKath> Izaya: Not that
most users could use a compiler anyway.
L863[04:02:09] <vifino> KittyKath: Oh, I
thought you were handing that to me to prove me wrong...
L864[04:02:14] <vifino> My bad.
L865[04:02:19] <g> on mac though, you run
one command with no args and it downloads and installs a compiler
and xcode for you
L866[04:02:28] <KittyKath> vifino: I'm not
always trying to prove you wrong, sometimes I just give your
argument more meat :P
L867[04:02:31] <Izaya> g: not OS X I've
used
L868[04:02:43] <g> it did in my hackintosh
vm
L869[04:02:46] <vifino> KittyKath: Sure
thing :*
L870[04:02:50] <Izaya> I had to sign up
for a fake Apple DRM account to download an ancient PPC version of
XCode
L872[04:03:04] <vifino> also wtf, unicode
is f'd.
L873[04:03:22] <g> and on windows..
setting up a compiler is piss
L874[04:03:31] <Izaya> is it safe to use
insecure packages on an airgapped FreeBSD mac from 2003 that will
be used as a TV?
L875[04:03:33] <KittyKath> Not MSVC
though
L876[04:03:40] <g> msvc is super easy to
set up
L877[04:03:42] <KittyKath> Izaya:
Yep
L878[04:03:49] <Izaya> okay good
L880[04:04:01] <g> the main problem is
that it doesn't have gnu make
L881[04:04:06] <g> and thus the makefiles
are different
L882[04:04:24] <KittyKath> vifino: You are
lying to me, that's no REPL! :<
L883[04:04:30] <vifino> KittyKath:
:P
L884[04:04:32] <KittyKath> g: Project
files
L885[04:04:41] <Izaya> g: it's so you'll
try to use MS's build system
L886[04:04:44] <Izaya> (probably)
L887[04:04:51] <KittyKath> g: Also Esper
apparently borked; so: Good dog :P
L889[04:05:01] <g> KittyKath, solutions
aren't makefiles though
L890[04:05:09] <KittyKath> g: No, but the
equivalent
L891[04:05:15] <g> the nmake
makefiles?
L892[04:05:15] <vifino> But yeah, I modded
carbon so much that it can flawlessly load from zip files and stuff
like that.
L893[04:05:20] <KittyKath> CMake works
nicely on Winderps though.
L894[04:05:23] <vifino> All hail our lord
and saviour, Physfs.
L895[04:05:25] <g> yeah, cmake works
great
L896[04:05:36] <KittyKath> And that
outputs Visual Studio solutions.
L897[04:05:48] <g> it can output nmake
makefiles as well afaik
L898[04:05:53] <KittyKath> The MS stack is
completely integrated in itself
L900[04:06:24] <g> yeah, nmake
makefiles
L901[04:06:38] <Izaya> which open-source C
compiler was it that outputted win32 executables?
L902[04:06:46] <g> mingw?
L903[04:06:47] <KittyKath> gcc can?
L904[04:07:01] <KittyKath> Clang
theoretically can too, no idea how well that works though.
L905[04:07:02] <g> yeah, mingw is just gcc
for windows, right?
L906[04:07:13] <Izaya> the other versions
of gcc for windows require like
L907[04:07:14] <KittyKath> GCC 4.x
actually has a windows release, no?
L908[04:07:20] <Izaya> cygwin dlls and
stuff though
L909[04:07:32] <g> yeah, I think the
actual gcc release for windows is cygwin
L910[04:07:37] <g> use mingw
L912[04:07:43] <MichiBot> Inari:
【Mashup】 Everybody's Circulation - TMABird | length:
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L913[04:08:11] <Izaya> KittyKath: any idea
how horridly Rust on winderps works?
L914[04:08:14] <KittyKath> Izaya: Mingw is
more or less just the glibc on windows + configured gcc. You can
roll your own thing if youw ant
L915[04:08:15] <g> why do people find that
funny, Inari?
L916[04:08:19] <KittyKath> Rust? quite
well
L917[04:08:31] <Inari> g: its just great
and a bit amusing :D and it fit swell
L918[04:08:35] <Izaya> huh
L919[04:08:35] <Inari> *fits well
L920[04:08:38] <g> no, I mean like
L921[04:08:44] <g> you might play or link
the original song and people are like
L922[04:08:45] <KittyKath> Izaya: The
corelib is completely ported, so the whole stdlib is the
same.
L923[04:08:51] <g> "Why aren't you
laughing"
L924[04:09:03] <KittyKath> And if you stay
in the high abstractions the same code will run on both Linux and
Winderps.
L926[04:09:05] <g> and look at you weird
for listening to an actual song
L928[04:09:11] <Izaya> shiny
L929[04:09:42] <Inari> g: its more funny
for what people all do with the song than for the result
itself
L930[04:09:42] <Inari> :P
L931[04:09:43] <KittyKath> Watch out with
Paths, UDP sockets, and filenames and you're all set.
L932[04:09:53] <g> I don't even get why so
many people did that but :P
L933[04:09:59] <Inari> cause its a <3
song
L934[04:10:07] <Inari> and everyone loves
nadeko
L935[04:10:08] <g> a what song?
L936[04:10:20] <g> note, I'm not even
close to a weeaboo, you'll have to explain these things
L938[04:10:21] <Inari> a song thats lovely
xP
L939[04:10:27] <Inari> you know
L940[04:10:28] <Inari> <3
L941[04:10:29] <Inari> irc talk
L942[04:10:31] <Inari> stuf
L943[04:10:38] <g> never see it used like
that, but sure
L945[04:10:42] <Inari> lol
L946[04:10:43] <Izaya> also, have to
program lego NXT robots in IST later this year
L947[04:10:53] <Izaya> I assume with their
horrid block-based IDE
L948[04:10:57] <Izaya> I want to do it in
NXT C
L949[04:11:14] <KittyKath> Izaya: Do you
have to use the IDE?
L950[04:11:24] <Izaya> teacher lets me use
whatever
L951[04:11:39] <Izaya> I do my notes in
LaTeX from a vtty
L953[04:12:30] <Izaya> oh
L954[04:12:35] <Izaya> the link doesn't
work
L955[04:12:37] <Izaya> :<
L956[04:12:49] <Nadeko> Inari: you
rang?
L957[04:12:51] <Nadeko> :I
L958[04:13:02] <Inari> lol
L960[04:13:14] <Inari> Nadeko: you're just
too cute :P everyone loves you
L961[04:13:18] * g
goes back to listening to Aviators
L962[04:13:26] <Izaya> KittyKath: I know
but it was a lua port for the NXT
L963[04:13:33] <Nadeko> Inari: which
song?
L964[04:13:40] <KittyKath> Why Lua if you
can have C though?
L965[04:13:44] <Nadeko> oh
L966[04:13:45] <Nadeko> that one
L967[04:13:51] <Izaya> I'm better at lua
than C
L968[04:14:00] <Nadeko> nadeko best
girl
L969[04:14:03] *
Nadeko lunches
L970[04:14:05] <KittyKath> TIL NXTGCC is a
thing...
L971[04:14:20] <Inari> i still think
snakeish skin imprints would kind of be cool
L972[04:14:21] <g> that doesn't surprise
me in the slightest
L974[04:14:52] *
Lizzy groans
L976[04:14:57] <MichiBot> Inari:
Gangnam Style Mashup Ghostbusters theme / LFMAO / Offspring /
Bloodhound Gang | length:
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L977[04:15:39] <g> oh god
L979[04:16:07] <MichiBot> Izaya:
A
Piece Of Toast | length:
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Oppai
L981[04:16:32] <MichiBot> g:
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L982[04:17:11] <g> or any one of its many,
many, many variants
L984[04:17:41] <MichiBot> Inari:
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L985[04:17:58] <Izaya> maybe the FBI
should look at youtube
L986[04:18:28] <Izaya> eh, PR stunts defy
logic anyway
L987[04:18:47] <vifino> Ugh. Looks like I
have to write a nRF24LU1+ firmware.
L988[04:18:48] <vifino> :v
L989[04:19:02] <g> crikey
L991[04:19:04] <Izaya> wats a
nRF24LU1+?
L992[04:19:18] <vifino> 2.4ghz radio
tranceiver.
L993[04:19:21] <Izaya> oooo
L994[04:19:38] <vifino> well, soc for
one.
L995[04:19:52] <Lizzy> .locad
L996[04:19:56] <Lizzy> .load
L997[04:19:56] <EnderBot2> CPU: 1.2 0.62
0.38 , RAM: 15.6G/31.3G (~49.8%), SWAP: 491.7M/88.2G (~0.5%)
L998[04:20:03] <vifino> LIZZY!!! \o/
L999[04:20:07] *
vifino kisses Lizzy all over
L1000[04:20:13] *
Lizzy groans
L1002[04:22:28] <KittyKath> So this Tazz
guy from last Thursday apparently wrote a Lua compiler in C++. His
C++ is cringeworthy at best, he rolled his own parser, IR &
compiler, his type system is ... not a type system and whatever he
does he won't be faster than Terra anyway.
L1003[04:22:51] <Inari> old offspring is
still the best
L1004[04:22:56] <vifino> KittyKath:
Link?
L1006[04:23:16] <KittyKath> Best commit
message though: " Starting to surpase lua's performace
"
L1007[04:23:21] <KittyKath> Its a
compiled language.
L1008[04:23:29] <KittyKath> And he only
now surpasses Lua's speed
L1009[04:23:53] <KittyKath> Let's
rephrase that. He wrote a compiled language (to asm no less) that
is slower than Lua.
L1010[04:23:58] <vifino> So he transpiles
lua to C++?
L1012[04:24:48] <vifino> That sounds...
nice.
L1013[04:25:19] *
Lizzy waits for gitlab to update
L1014[04:25:32] <Inari> why compile
L1015[04:25:37] <KittyKath> Hmm. I have
this itch to just write a LLVM frontend in a quarter of the time
just to mess with him.
L1016[04:25:39] <Inari> cause we turn the
stuff into a pile of .COM
L1017[04:25:39] <Inari> :D
L1018[04:25:41] <KittyKath> Nah, too
lazy
L1019[04:26:16] <vifino> It would be cool
if it would compile it to C. Could be handy for openwrt and stuff
who use lua extensibly on low end hardware.
L1020[04:26:34] <vifino> KittyKath: Do
it.
L1021[04:26:46] <KittyKath> vifino: Nah,
Terra is a thing.
L1023[04:27:07] <vifino> KittyKath: Does
terra work on MIPS?
L1024[04:27:26] <KittyKath> Its
LLVM
L1025[04:27:50] <vifino> Let me rephrase,
does terra work on MIPS without gigabytes of storage?
L1026[04:27:55] <KittyKath> So it works
as good on MIPS as the best LLVM MIPS backend
L1027[04:28:18] <Lizzy> lets go get
bumblebee working on my laptop
L1028[04:28:18] <KittyKath> I never
played with LLVM-MIPS so I can't tell. But you most likely have to
compile it for yourself
L1029[04:28:46] <Inari> "Try Terra
Online"
L1030[04:28:48] <Inari> the lewd
mmo?
L1031[04:29:34] <vifino> I really doubt
llvm and terra fit in 16mb flash, KittyKath.
L1032[04:29:55] <Inari> well
L1033[04:30:00] <KittyKath> vifino: Oh
you want to have a compiler for Terra on OpenWRT? Well, have
fun?
L1034[04:30:01] <Inari> the terra binary
is like 28.1]
L1035[04:30:03] <Inari> the terra binary
is like 28.1]+
L1036[04:30:04] <Inari> the terra binary
is like 28.1+
L1037[04:30:06] <Inari> <.<
L1038[04:30:10] <Inari> stupid englihs kb
:P
L1039[04:30:27] <KittyKath> Terra
compiles to machine code. Cross compile from a more powerful
machine maybe vifino?
L1040[04:31:11] <vifino> KittyKath: Terra
can only compile terra code to native code, lua is still run via
luajit.
L1041[04:31:28] <KittyKath> Well, does a
Lua binary fit in 16mb flash?
L1042[04:31:35] <vifino> Yes.
L1043[04:31:42] <KittyKath> Then you'll
fit Lua + Terra
L1044[04:32:05] <vifino> ...
L1045[04:32:11] <KittyKath> Terra is not
Lua. It's a different language that is designed to integrate well
with Lua.
L1046[04:32:26] <KittyKath> Terra is not
compiled Lua either. Its a different language with different
syntax.
L1047[04:33:22] <KittyKath> Its just
designed in a way that it can easily be used as a low-level
counterpart to Lua. If you can fit Lua anywhere, you can use Terra
on there too and have it integrate with that Lua
installation.
L1048[04:36:27] <Izaya> how much of an
issue is CRT burn-in?
L1049[04:36:57] <vifino> Into your eyes
or the CRT?
L1050[04:37:15] <Izaya> the CRT
L1051[04:37:42]
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L1052[04:38:30] <KittyKath> vifino: There
are backends for LLVM that output C code. Using those you should be
able to generate C code from Terra.
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L1055[05:00:52] <Lizzy> there, bumblebee
installed and working
L1056[05:02:52] <vifino> woo
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L1059[05:12:03] <Sandra> KittyKath, lua
is faster than some C?
L1060[05:12:58] <Sandra> make that
luajit.
L1061[05:12:58] <KittyKath> Sandra: I
really dislike that phrasing.
L1062[05:13:00] <Sandra> but still.
L1063[05:13:14] <Sandra> it's by no means
a slow language.
L1064[05:13:27] <Sandra> it's one of the
fastest interpreted languages.
L1065[05:13:33] <KittyKath> Lua is better
than some really horrible inefficient C. But never. ever. will an
optimized Lua program be faster than an optimized C program.
L1066[05:14:10] <KittyKath> I would even
go as far to say that most Lua (even Jitted) will be slower than
idomatic C thrown trough compiler optimization.
L1067[05:14:24] <Sandra> of course.
L1068[05:14:53] <KittyKath> THere.
L1069[05:15:03] <Sandra> but lua is
definitely faster than almost everything else.
L1070[05:15:21] <Sandra> except low level
languages.
L1071[05:15:23] <KittyKath> No, IDOMATIC
Lua is faster than other languages written in their respecitve
idomatic style.
L1072[05:15:56] <Sandra> if you say
so.
L1073[05:16:33] <KittyKath> But yeah, in
most cases an optimized Lua program will run faster than an
optimized Python program.
L1074[05:16:49] <KittyKath> What is your
point again?
L1075[05:17:33] <Sandra> that lua is
faster than the majority of languages, including a large amount of
C code.
L1076[05:17:42] <KittyKath> Which is
wrong.
L1077[05:17:51] <Sandra> are you sure
about that?
L1078[05:17:53] <KittyKath> Yep
L1079[05:18:11] <KittyKath> Because you
just compared a language to code in general.
L1080[05:18:24] <Sandra> it's not faster
than the /majority/ of c code, or indeed half of it.
L1081[05:18:38] <KittyKath> I just have
to prove to you that idomatic C code can be more optimized than Lua
and your point is moot.
L1082[05:18:56] <Sandra> *shrug*
L1083[05:19:09] <Sandra> C doesn't matter
anyway.
L1084[05:19:12] <KittyKath> Oh/
L1085[05:19:15] <KittyKath> *?
L1086[05:19:19] <KittyKath> That is news
for me.
L1087[05:19:34] <KittyKath> Because last
time I checked C is still one of the most languages ever.
L1088[05:19:51] <Sandra> the most
languages ever.
L1089[05:19:57] <KittyKath> most
used
L1090[05:20:03] <Sandra> of course.
L1091[05:20:08] <KittyKath> So C does
matter.
L1092[05:20:10] <KittyKath> More than
Lua.
L1093[05:20:10] <Sandra> doesn't mean it
matters.
L1094[05:20:19] <KittyKath> Which is
somewhere between 20-40 depending on who you ask.
L1095[05:20:20] <Sandra> no?
L1096[05:20:40] <g> C matters
(unfortunately)
L1097[05:20:47] <Sandra> that's not a
reason for it to matter tbh.
L1098[05:20:53] <g> at some point people
will do what they did with fortran and move to something
better
L1099[05:21:15] <g> but for now we have
to put up with the incredibly annoying, incredibly stupid
evangelists
L1100[05:21:16] <KittyKath> As if FORTRAN
is not used anymore :'D
L1102[05:21:23] <g> it is, but only in
legacy systems
L1103[05:21:26] <Lizzy> heheh, i can now
turn my nvidia gpu on and off when i like
L1104[05:21:39] <Sandra> i mean, the only
reason to use C imo is kernels. and you hardly need it for
that.
L1105[05:21:57] <KittyKath> Oh? And what
about portability or just fast code?
L1106[05:21:57] <g> C is used because
it's performant
L1107[05:22:11] <g> no more performant
than anything else that's compiled to machine code, but still
performant
L1108[05:22:24] <KittyKath> C is easier
to optimize.
L1109[05:22:30] <KittyKath> Than for
example Rust.
L1110[05:22:39]
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L1111[05:22:42] <KittyKath> And its way
faster than all languages with GC.
L1112[05:22:43] <Sandra>
portability?
L1113[05:22:46] <Sandra> C?
L1114[05:22:48] <KittyKath> Including Go
btw.
L1115[05:22:49] <Sandra> don't make me
laugh.
L1116[05:22:55] <g> C is portable
L1117[05:22:58] <KittyKath> Sandra: Give
me a platform C does not compile to please.
L1118[05:22:58] <g> bad C isn't
portable
L1119[05:23:47] <Sandra> KittyKath, C
compiles to it! doesn't mean any programs written for one platform
that aren't simple will run on it.
L1120[05:24:00] <g> that's what compiler
directives are for
L1121[05:24:05] <KittyKath> Its very easy
to write portable code.
L1122[05:24:19] <Sandra> so.... you do
fucking bullshit to get it to work?
L1123[05:24:21] <KittyKath> Easier than
for example Rust or D.
L1124[05:24:22] <Sandra> i see.
L1125[05:24:32] <g> you do a thing that's
part of the spec?
L1126[05:24:36] <g> just like any other
language
L1127[05:24:46] <KittyKath> C will always
work. Sometimes its more work than other times. Still better than
Lua, which will just not work at all.
L1128[05:25:05] <g> don't get me wrong, I
hate C
L1129[05:25:09] <Sandra> Lua works
anywhere C does.
L1130[05:25:12] <g> but I also hate
people that bash it without good reasons
L1132[05:25:23] <KittyKath> Sandra: Oh,
also on a ATmega 32u4?
L1133[05:25:36] <Sandra> if it supports
ANSI C, yes.
L1134[05:25:48] <KittyKath> Hmm, how much
Memory does the Lua vm use?
L1135[05:26:05] <g> doesn't that have
like
L1136[05:26:07] <g> 3KB of memory?
L1137[05:26:11] <KittyKath> the 32u4 has
32kb.
L1138[05:26:16] <KittyKath> Might be a
bit tight for Lua :)
L1139[05:26:25] <Sandra> lua can fit in
that.
L1140[05:26:31] <Sandra> just.
L1141[05:26:34] <KittyKath> Also its
8-bit, will Lua like that?
L1142[05:26:34] <Sandra> probably.
L1143[05:26:50] <g> can't find anyone
that's done it
L1144[05:26:53] <KittyKath> Good, can it
still execute code then?
L1145[05:26:58] <KittyKath> If it just
barely fits?
L1147[05:28:23] <g> that doesn't have
enough info
L1148[05:28:36] <Sandra> ... are you
sure?
L1149[05:28:48] <g> where does it show
its memory footprint?
L1150[05:28:57] <vifino> Lizzy: I had an
optimus/bumblebee setup ages ago, but I went back to pure nvidia
gpu because my WM lagged, which isn't quite nice.
L1151[05:29:47] <KittyKath> Also it
spreads actual misinformation. GJ
L1152[05:30:13] <Sandra> KittyKath,
hmm?
L1153[05:30:34] <KittyKath> Neither WoW
nor Lightroom are written in "Standalone" Lua. They are
both scripted in it but even lightroom only has 40% lua
L1154[05:30:39] <Sandra> it runs on the
32UC, whatever that is.
L1155[05:31:09] <g> that's a cpu
L1157[05:31:25] <Sandra> anyway, i'm done
with this.
L1158[05:31:42] <KittyKath> Yeah, you
have no arguments whatsoever and just want to bash C. Useless
kinda.
L1159[05:31:51] <g> good, I can go back
to listening to annette strean and the blue man group
L1161[05:32:38] <g> MichiBot can't handle
brackets?
L1162[05:32:44] <KittyKath> Nope
L1165[05:32:54] <g> okay to be fair
L1166[05:32:54] <MichiBot> KittyKath:
Blue Man Group w/ Venus Hum: I Feel Love (best quality) |
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L1167[05:32:58] <g> supporting that on
ultros was a bitch
L1168[05:33:00] <g> but we did it
L1169[05:34:27] <g> (full support for
urls surrounded in typical ways that is)
L1170[05:34:51] <g> by the way, why is
|this| a string in ruby?
L1171[05:34:56] <vifino> No.
L1172[05:35:02] <vifino> Wait, it
is?
L1173[05:35:17] <g> you can surround
stuff with most non-alpha chars and get a string
L1174[05:35:18] <g> for some reason
L1175[05:35:33] <g> last I checked, at
least
L1176[05:35:59] <vifino> syntax
error.
L1177[05:36:51] <vifino> #>> puts
|wat|
L1178[05:36:51] <|0xDEADBEEF|> >
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ : syntax error, unexpected $end: (eval):1:10
L1179[05:37:04] <g> hm, maybe they
changed it at some point
L1180[05:37:30] <vifino> By the way, the
table_flipper gem is amazing.
L1181[05:37:32] <g> I know they changed
the method_missing stuff as well (people were using it for bare
word strings)
L1182[05:40:16] <g> I want to like
ruby
L1183[05:40:17] <Lizzy> vifino, meh, i
haven't got around to doing proper gaming on the linux partition of
my laptop yet so i'm not too fussed
L1184[05:40:18] <g> but I just
can't
L1185[05:42:08] <g> it's the language
your language could smell like
L1186[05:42:16] <Sandra> yeah....
L1187[05:42:20] <Sandra> i know what you
mean.
L1188[05:43:01] <Lizzy> anyway, gonna pop
to the shops to get snacks
L1189[05:43:11] <g> bring us some back
\o/
L1190[05:43:25] <Lizzy> maybe
L1191[05:43:42] <g> #oreoc
L1192[05:50:06] <Izaya> vifino: what sort
of term is the freebsd console?
L1193[05:50:12] <Izaya> xterm gives me
weird issues
L1194[05:50:16] <Izaya> that is,
$TERM
L1195[05:51:21] <g> right, time to go
meet up with people
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L1197[05:52:26] <vifino> Izaya: No
idea.
L1198[05:52:43] <vifino> newcons?
L1199[05:53:44] <vifino> Maybe just
vt.
L1200[05:53:54] <vifino> Don't have a BSD
box here anymore.
L1201[05:54:33] <vifino> brb, gonna get
more pizza slices.
L1202[06:08:15] *
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L1203[06:08:54] <vifino> \o/
L1204[06:09:07] *
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L1205[06:09:48] *
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L1206[06:29:58] <Saphire> hm
L1207[06:30:59] <Saphire> So... i made a
little script (okay, stole the idea and word list from some weechat
script) that parses string.. and outputs random word that is tied
to token
L1208[06:31:33] <Saphire> e.g, input
"I like to <verb> my <noun>" and output is
"I like to link my C"
L1209[06:32:06] <Saphire> ..Should this
be an OpenPrograms program?
L1210[06:33:41] <Izaya> "SSD go
fast. This is not rocket surgery. If I see another press release
about an internet catfight regarding just how much beyond
"more than fast enough" some bit of overly expensive
rubbish can go, I think I'll lose what's left of my
mind."
L1211[06:38:55] <Forecaster> Saphire: I
don't see why not
L1212[06:38:56] <Forecaster> :P
L1213[06:39:41] <Saphire> I guess that is
someout out of "cookie" category :D
L1214[06:39:46] <Saphire> *something
out
L1215[06:40:18] <KittyKath> Izaya: that's
the thing about SSDs though. Nobody gives a damn about their speed.
its not their selling point either. The fact that they go fast is a
nice side-effect. SSDs are made with storage density in mind
really. :X
L1216[06:44:35] <vifino> >"Nobody
gives a damn about their speed."
L1217[06:44:43] <vifino> The hell are you
smoking, KittyKath?
L1218[06:46:11] <KittyKath> There are not
that many situations where a server profits from ssd speeds. but
there are many where a server profits from 15TB storage in the same
space as 3TB with the same speed. and if you're telling me that
desktop pushes any kind of innovation I have to ask you what you're
smoking.
L1219[06:46:38] <vifino> Never said
anything about desktop.
L1220[06:46:47] <vifino> Desktop, or
rather consumer market, pushes nothing.
L1221[06:47:16] <vifino> But the
statement that nobody gives a damn about higher speed is just plain
bullshit.
L1222[06:47:32] <KittyKath> compared to
their storage density? Nobody does.
L1223[06:47:41] <vifino> Bullshit.
L1224[06:48:16] <KittyKath> the only
situation where ssds are an advantage is when you have a lot of
high-volume reads. which is not all that often
L1225[06:48:41] <vifino> Wrong.
L1226[06:50:26] <KittyKath> you have to
look at it this way: If you have the choice between little storage
(<1TB) but very fast (200MB/s write) and very high storage (5TB)
with lower speeds (100MB/s write) I can only think of so many
situations where one would choose the speed. most would either try
a hybrid or take storage over speed.
L1227[06:53:13] <vifino> First of, the
small word "Nobody" I am not even going to discuss.
Second, you can't generalize things like that.
L1228[06:56:21] <KittyKath> Currently
that is the choice you're given. While Samsung is pushing for
super-high density storage (which is a good thing and shows that
SSDs are the future no matter what) in most cases todays SSDs are
smaller than todays Hard drives if you also compare money (which
you have to in a business. Price/performance is not favouring SSDs
currently)
L1229[06:58:19] <KittyKath> Again, there
are situations where pure speed is an advantage. High volume reads
in case of data servers i.e. imgur. But then again high volume
reads mean a lot of data. So in the case of imgur while their outer
caching servers might in fact use SSDs, their storage cluster will
all use HDDs.
L1230[06:59:18] <vifino> Sorry, was
typing a reply, but got distracted.
L1231[07:00:31] <vifino> Oh, you
invalidated your own claim. Nice.
L1232[07:00:54] <KittyKath> If you take
"nobody" literally, yeah then I did.
L1233[07:01:09] <vifino> It's not even a
small percentage.
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L1237[07:12:51] <Lizzy> KittyKath, how do
i open another file for editing whilst already in vim?
L1238[07:13:35] <KittyKath> :o
filename
L1239[07:13:40] <Lizzy> thanks
<3
L1240[07:13:49] <KittyKath> If you have
one open you can use :tab or :split or :vsplit etc
L1241[07:14:01] <KittyKath> All with
filename after them
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L1243[07:22:50] <Saphire> :e
L1244[07:22:52] <Saphire> :o
L1245[07:23:12] <Saphire> okay, :o is not
a comand even xD
L1246[07:23:32] <Saphire> you can use :e
to oepn a file but it opens it in current buffer
L1247[07:24:00] <KittyKath> ? :o is a
command?
L1248[07:25:01] <KittyKath> Its simulated
and does exactly the same as :e, but I find :o(pen) to be easier to
remeber for new guys than :e(dit)
L1249[07:25:27] <KittyKath> Saphire:
^
L1250[07:25:39] <vifino> I also thought
it was :tabe not :tab
L1251[07:25:51] <Saphire> KittyKath:
oh
L1252[07:25:58] <vifino> Yep, :tab
doesn't work.
L1253[07:26:06] <KittyKath> vifino: :tab
is an abrv for :tabedit
L1254[07:26:12] <vifino> KittyKath: Not
here.
L1255[07:26:22] <KittyKath> :tabe is the
first unique completion for :tabedit
L1256[07:26:30] <Saphire> apparently in
neovim :o is not used
L1257[07:26:35] <KittyKath>
Probably
L1258[07:26:40] <KittyKath> It is a vi
relict after all.
L1259[07:26:57] <Saphire> ah
L1260[07:27:02] <Saphire> it uses it for
other thing
L1261[07:27:06] <vifino> Just :tab in
neovim doesn't work.
L1262[07:27:08] <KittyKath> The fact that
neovim kicks them out is more of a proof that neovim finally cuts
all ties to vi
L1263[07:27:22] <Saphire> some "old
ShaDa" file
L1264[07:27:26] <KittyKath> Well, neovim
sucks, I know that much :P
L1265[07:27:43] <vifino> If you say so,
it must obviously be true.
L1266[07:27:47] <Saphire> Hah
L1267[07:27:50] <KittyKath> Totally
\o/
L1268[07:28:15] <vifino> After all, you
never say stupid stuff like the fact that nobody uses SSD's for
speed reasons.
L1269[07:28:32] <KittyKath> I can't be
wrong. Its technically not possible.
L1270[07:36:53] <Lizzy> KittyKath, for
some reason :o didn't work with stuff but :e does
L1271[07:38:22] <KittyKath> Can be,
should work if you use vim, but if you can remember :e use that
:P
L1272[07:41:02] <Lizzy> when doing `:o
~/.vimrc` from an already opened file, it says it's a new
directory, if i do the full path it comes back with "no
match", though doing :e ~/.vimrc worked for what i
wanted
L1273[07:43:17] <Lizzy> Meh, lunch
time
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L1275[08:16:52] <Lizzy> hmm, i wonder if
i can get the Terminus font and it's powerline additions to work on
the linux console
L1276[08:17:03] <KittyKath> Should work
:P
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L1278[08:27:53] <Lizzy> yep, had to go
find the font's file name but it works
L1279[08:28:13] <Lizzy> though not sure
if that's using the system wide one or my local one
L1280[08:28:17] <Lizzy> probably
systemwide
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L1283[08:31:39] <vifino> Lizzy: run `stty
size`.
L1284[08:32:12] <Lizzy> 90 320
L1285[08:33:00] <Lizzy> not bad
L1286[08:33:22] <vifino> height and
width, respectively.
L1287[08:33:55] <vifino> In tmux in
urxvt, I get 111 320.
L1288[08:34:02] <vifino> Same width
\o/
L1289[08:36:30] <Lizzy> also annoyingly
cmatrix doesn't work properly when i pass the -l flag to tell it ot
use the matrix console font
L1290[08:36:34] <Lizzy> oh well
L1291[08:36:57] <gamax92> hi...
L1292[08:38:10] <Lizzy> hmm, i don't
think the console is using the patched version of the
font....
L1293[08:38:23] <Lizzy> so the powerline
looks crap
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L1297[09:21:38] <Lizzy> Gonna have fun
playing musical campuses with work tomorrow
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L1301[09:31:40] <Lizzy> k, so getting the
powerline font on the console isn't working
L1302[09:32:52] <vifino> :/
L1303[09:46:23] <Lizzy> oh well
L1304[09:46:57] <Lizzy> also merged the
default 2 MATE pannels into one
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L1311[10:07:57] <payonel> gamax92: o/ the
msys setup failed for me last night. i could copy over the dir from
my old machine, or would you be interested in troubleshooting it
with me?
L1312[10:11:02] <payonel> gamax92: what
the actual crap. so i open up the shell to run the setup again to
give you more info about the failure, and it works this time
L1313[10:11:12] <payonel> last night it
was something about failed to fork
L1314[10:11:20] <payonel> and a bad load
addresss
L1315[10:11:21] <payonel> -s
L1316[10:12:46] <payonel> HA, and window
resizing works too now
L1317[10:12:52] <payonel> noice
L1318[10:13:43] <Turtle> grr my
bibliowoods is derpy
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L1321[10:18:49] <payonel> hi Turtle
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L1329[10:44:00] <Saphire> "I am
sorry, toaster. I'm afraid I can't do that"
L1330[10:44:03] <Lizzy> combine that with
a local-only chat setup and you could walk up to it and just say
the destination or something
L1331[10:56:21] <Izaya> still
L1332[10:56:25] <Izaya> compiling
L1333[10:56:26] <Izaya> gcc
L1334[10:57:57] *
Lizzy is compressing her home folder on her work laptop so she can
transfer it to her main laptop
L1335[10:58:15] <gamax92> payonel: you
there?
L1336[10:58:49] <Lizzy> cause it has a
nice mate theme that i want and my sftp copy of the home folder i
did last week didn't get the hidden dirs
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L1339[11:01:43] <gamax92> %tell payonel
fork errors are a 32bit thing, if you get them, just restart the
shell. yay cygwin
L1340[11:01:43] <MichiBot> gamax92:
payonel will be notified of this message when next seen.
L1341[11:03:53] <gamax92> you can just
use the 64 bit stuff if you don't want to deal with it
L1342[11:08:54] <payonel> gamax92: well
it is dealt with i guess and now working
L1343[11:09:09] <payonel> but next time i
redo this, i'll try to remember that about the cygwin forking
issue
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L1345[11:13:10] <Lizzy> lol, work laptop
is at about 75°C when using pigz -9 compressor
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L1348[11:13:38] <Lizzy> meh
L1349[11:13:45] <reinei> o/
L1350[11:13:50] <Skwid> o/
L1351[11:13:52] <Lizzy> compressed it
from 9.1G to 6.1G
L1352[11:13:53] <Lizzy> o/
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L1354[11:18:10] <reinei> ded chat is ded
as always
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create a black hole
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L1358[11:21:15] <reinei> welp
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L1360[11:25:08] <Lizzy> heh, transferring
files over wifi at ~2MB/s, thought to myself that i can do better
than that and both these laptops have gigabit etherner ports on
them, connect a cable between and set up ips. start transfer back
up again and it's copying at ~100MB/s :D
L1361[11:25:29] <Lizzy> made the
difference of transferring in an hour to a minute
L1362[11:25:59] <reinei> me wanna have
gigabyte ethernet too, 100MB/s is not enough!
L1363[11:26:02] <payonel> Lizzy: :) i was
hoping the store would end with "by the time i found a stupid
network cable and got them both plugged in, the transfer was
done"
L1364[11:26:12] <reinei> well a better
internet connection would be great to start put with as well
L1365[11:26:30] <Lizzy> payonel, I'm the
network apprentice, i have cables all over the fucking place
L1366[11:26:47] <KittyKath> reinei: Keep
in mind that 1000Mb/s equals 125MB/s
L1367[11:27:24] <reinei> which is why I
want 50Mb/s internet speed and 256MB/s
L1368[11:27:32] <reinei> for
ethernet
L1369[11:28:27] <KittyKath> Mb = Megabit,
MB = Megabyte
L1370[11:28:35] <reinei> I know, I
think
L1371[11:28:47] <reinei> but all I know
is that I know nothing at all
L1372[11:29:00] <KittyKath> 50Mb = 6.25
MB. Your math has a hole somewhere
L1373[11:29:30] <reinei> KittyKath, nope
I am currently running on 10-12Mb/s internet speed
L1374[11:29:42] <reinei> I just want the
internal ethernet speed for fun and profit
L1375[11:29:50] <KittyKath> Yeah but 50
Mb/s don't equal 256MB/s?
L1376[11:30:04] <KittyKath> Oh, I misread
what you said. nvm then
L1377[11:31:43] <Lizzy> also the highest
(theroretical line speed wise, actuall speed will vary depending on
networking hardware like computer NICs and Switches) speed you can
get on Consumer grade stuff is gigabit (1000Mb)
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L1380[11:40:53] <Skwid> who was it that
linked that weird shirt?
L1381[11:41:11] <Skwid> was it
Saphire
L1382[11:41:32] <Saphire> :3
L1383[11:41:55] <Skwid> remember that
shirt that said imagine how is touch the sky
L1384[11:43:23] <Inari> tentacles?
L1385[11:46:22] <payonel> where are the
latest oc builds :/ ?
L1386[11:46:30] <payonel> on a new
machine i dont have it in my history
L1387[11:46:51] <payonel> and...why dont
we have a link to the builds from (e.g.) the ocdocs or...maybe
curseforge
L1388[11:46:57] <payonel> or the github
readme
L1389[11:46:58] <payonel> i dont
know
L1390[11:47:00] <payonel> should be
somwhere
L1391[11:47:28] <Saphire> oc.cil.li
L1392[11:47:52] <Vexatos> ci.cil.li
L1393[11:48:22] <payonel> thanks
vex
L1394[11:48:28] <payonel> do we have a
link to that from the docs?
L1395[11:49:47] <Vexatos> I do not think
there should be a download link in the docs
L1396[11:49:51] <Lizzy> Saphire, you
linked the forums, you derp
L1397[11:50:03] <Saphire> Derp
L1398[11:50:49] <Lizzy> There we go, got
Delorean Dark on my work laptop, now just to get the dark theme on
hexchat when i get home
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L1400[12:03:09] <payonel> there aught to
be a link to the builds somewhere...
L1401[12:03:26] <payonel> be the docs or
wiki or the github or the curse page
L1402[12:03:34] <payonel> i dont care,
just think it should be somewhere
L1403[12:03:37] <payonel> maybe it's in
the forums
L1404[12:03:40] <reinei> it here :D
L1405[12:03:41] <payonel> i dont know, i
dont go there
L1406[12:03:50] <reinei> its*
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L1409[12:09:15] <KittyKath> payonel:
Topic, look really hard in the header of the forums...
L1410[12:09:48] <payonel> that
works
L1411[12:09:48] <KittyKath> Oh, nvm there
isn't one on the forums
L1412[12:09:53] <payonel> but in the
topic
L1413[12:10:05] <KittyKath> Yeah, nobody
reads the topic anymore
L1414[12:10:47] <reinei> but hwy?
L1415[12:11:20] <KittyKath> reinei:
Probably because people are stupid.
L1416[12:11:37] <payonel> that's my
reason ^
L1417[12:12:21] <Lizzy> I'll see about
adding a build server link to the forums when u get gone
L1419[12:12:44] <Lizzy> *when I get
home
L1420[12:12:54] <payonel> on a new
machine here, trying to test just latest oc with no other
mods
L1421[12:12:55] <payonel> Test will
complete after Mon Mar 7 17:53:39 2016
L1422[12:13:01] <payonel> derp, sorry,
wrong clipboard
L1423[12:13:03] <payonel> sec
L1424[12:13:06] <payonel>
java.lang.NoSuchFieldError: iron
L1425[12:13:59] <payonel> ha it worked
this time
L1426[12:14:06] <payonel> ok..no
nevermind
L1427[12:14:20] <payonel> same
error
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L1429[12:17:35] <payonel> ha
L1430[12:17:49] <payonel> user
error
L1431[12:17:56] <payonel> stupid
user
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L1434[12:23:53] <Lizzy> Hmm, to cities
skylines or GTA tonight
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L1436[12:24:58] <vifino> Lizzy: GTA! GTA!
\o/
L1437[12:25:51] <Dashkal> I may check out
sky saga tonight. They just put out an alpha wave.
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L1440[12:34:50] <gamax92> aww
L1441[12:35:06] <gamax92> all the nick
colors changed
L1442[12:57:55] <Dashkal> Oh that would
drive me nuts.
L1443[12:58:36] <Dashkal> Though I hope
that doesn't start happening to me. I'm feeling motivated to do my
OC project. Pivoting into writing a haskell irc client would put it
off another year
L1444[12:59:06] <KittyKath> There already
is a Haskell IRC client.
L1445[12:59:11] <Dashkal> So?
L1446[12:59:25] <KittyKath> I see no
reason to write one from scratch?
L1447[12:59:33] <Dashkal> That's ok. You
aren't me :P
L1448[13:00:06] <Dashkal> I'm a malk.
Insanity is in the blood.
L1449[13:01:50] <Dashkal> It would serve
a pretty strong purpose to do so. I do data flow stuff in my day
job. Writing an irc client would teach me that for Haskell in some
detail, so I'd be ready to hit the ground running.
L1450[13:02:20] <Dashkal> It's reaching
the point where I can say and prove that I can write chunks of this
project faster in Haskell, and to the same or better quality.
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L1454[13:11:46] <Lizzy> vifino, i'm
leaning more towards cities
L1455[13:17:25] <vifino> Lizzy: hmm,
okay. thought we could play gta online together.
L1456[13:17:43] <Lizzy> maybe a bit
later
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L1466[13:52:26] <Mettaton_Fab>
Hello.
L1467[13:52:56] <gamax92> Hello.
L1468[13:53:00] <Mettaton_Fab> Writing
this from austria
L1469[13:53:12] <KittyKath> .-.
L1470[13:53:39] <OneM_Industries>
Hello!
L1471[13:53:53] <OneM_Industries> Writing
this from in front of my computer. ;)
L1472[13:54:03] <Izaya> Writing this from
2003
L1473[13:54:05] <Mettaton_Fab> Ski course
and stuff like that
L1474[13:54:26] <OneM_Industries> Wait,
whoops.
L1475[13:54:35] <KittyKath> Writing this
from an alternative universe.
L1476[13:54:44] <OneM_Industries> Thought
I was in a different channel....
L1477[13:54:48] <Inari> lol
L1478[13:55:02] <gamax92> Saying this
through a ham radio
L1479[13:55:05] <Inari> Izaya: john
titor?
L1480[13:55:08] <OneM_Industries> Note to
self: Do not IRC while tired.
L1481[13:55:18] <KittyKath>
OneM_Industries: Its completely random with no context whatsoever.
What other than #oc could it be?
L1482[13:55:28] <Izaya> Inari: not
quite
L1483[13:55:47] <Izaya> installing
FreeBSD on a 2003 eMac 800Mhz
L1484[13:55:50] <Mettaton_Fab> I am here
in Auffach
L1485[13:55:52] <OneM_Industries> #u-o on
freenode, #revolution on here, #TGG on TGG, any number of channels
I am in.
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L1487[13:57:39] <Mettaton_Fab> Funny
thing is, i am one of the best in my group.
L1488[13:59:46] <gamax92> But how many
are in your group
L1489[14:00:05] <Mettaton_Fab> 8
people
L1490[14:00:14] <gamax92> If you're the
only one in your group, technically you are simultaneously the best
and worst.
L1491[14:01:02] <Mettaton_Fab> 3
people,me included, are very good
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L1494[14:03:27] <Mettaton_Fab> I am
sitting in the activity room.
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L1504[15:00:31] <Mettaton_Fab> School is
fun
L1505[15:00:45] <Mettaton_Fab>
...sometimes
L1506[15:01:11] <gamax92> Depends on what
you're doing in it
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L1508[15:02:23] <Mettaton_Fab>
skiing
L1509[15:04:08] <gamax92> well then
L1510[15:05:00] <gamax92> hmm, perhaps
I'll go investigate a bug I was experiencing
L1512[15:13:08] <KittyKath> Mettaton_Fab:
You should get a blog
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L1514[15:13:23] <gamax92> r.i.p
L1515[15:15:42] <payonel> i wish i had a
lua memory tester :)
L1516[15:15:46] <payonel> even for tiny
things, like
L1517[15:15:50] <payonel> should i
do...
L1518[15:16:19] <payonel> > a=a or b
return a and not not (a.foo and a.bar)
L1519[15:16:33] <payonel> or > a=a or
b or {} return not not (a.foo and a.bar)
L1520[15:16:44] <payonel> now, i would
guess the first is less memory, but i'm not certain
L1521[15:18:04] <Achai> payonel: The
first would use less memory, but you could use a constant table as
an upvalue to avoid that
L1522[15:20:12] <gamax92> I wonder if
gpu.get is busted.
L1523[15:20:27] <payonel> i use it for
term blink
L1524[15:20:33] <payonel> so, it appears
to be working
L1525[15:20:54] <gamax92> thats the only
thing I can think of atm, doesn't hurt to check it though
L1526[15:21:52] <gamax92> payonel: btw
you did see what I was talking about with palettes right,?
L1527[15:22:16] <payonel> no, did i miss
a conversation?
L1528[15:22:19] <payonel> shall i scroll
up?
L1529[15:22:26] <gamax92> :v this was
yesterday iirc
L1530[15:22:40] <gamax92> "I don't
think new-term supports palette colors properly"
L1531[15:22:52] <payonel> oh, ok, can you
give me a test case?
L1532[15:23:00] <gamax92> wocchat
:P
L1533[15:23:06] <gamax92> and no, but
I'll describe the issue to you
L1534[15:24:00] <gamax92> payonel:
without using palettes, getForeground/getBackground will return
something like 0xRRGGBB, nil or false (I forget which)
L1535[15:24:15] <gamax92> when using
palettes, it returns palette index, true
L1536[15:24:18] <payonel> oh
L1537[15:24:21] <payonel> ok
L1538[15:24:26] <payonel> sad...
L1539[15:24:31] <payonel> i can predict
this is an issue :)
L1540[15:25:06] <gamax92> yeah ... new
term is only storing stuff like fg=7, bg=6, and then when term.read
does it thing it ends up being black on black
L1541[15:25:22] <gamax92> I put in a hack
in the custom GPU thingy to force it as palettes
L1542[15:25:54] <payonel> ok i'll add
that to my todo list
L1543[15:26:08] <payonel> i'm up and
running again so..sorry for the complete lack of work over the last
few days
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L1545[15:26:18] <gamax92> no
problem
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L1547[15:27:00] <payonel> ha, my todo
list
L1548[15:27:03] <payonel> it's on the
other machine
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L1554[15:33:25] <payonel> gamax92: do you
have any interest in mimicing non-palette in ocemu?
L1555[15:34:37] <gamax92> payonel:
?
L1556[15:34:55] <payonel> without using
palettes -
L1557[15:35:11] <gamax92> It supports RGB
685 as well?
L1558[15:35:15] <payonel> oh, i mean, we
WANT palettes - ok
L1559[15:35:22] <payonel> so, interest in
supporting palettes in ocemu
L1560[15:35:55] <gamax92> the 16 color
configurable palette has been supported for a long time
L1561[15:36:06] <greaser|q> the ice codec
needs it because grey ramp
L1562[15:38:36] <greaser|q> Michiyo: now
you can use more RAM than the real thing!
L1563[15:41:04] <greaser|q>
"intelligent block occlusion: only visible blocks are added to
the scene" <-- protip: that shit belongs in the geometry
shader, if you're uploading individual blocks at runtime be
prepared for hella fragmentation
L1564[15:41:19] <Michiyo> greaser|q, I'm
not so sure of that... and could the performance even BE that much
worse? :P
L1565[15:41:38] <greaser|q> Michiyo: UE4
games require 4GB of RAM in their "low memory"
modes
L1566[15:41:56] <Michiyo> I've not used
anywhere near 4 GB of RAM in my dev yet.. :P
L1567[15:42:04] <Michiyo> ALso, I give MC
6
L1568[15:42:51] <greaser|q> for unmodded
i give it 1
L1569[15:43:07] <greaser|q> for modded,
2
L1570[15:43:36] <gamax92> payonel: what
are you saying :P
L1571[15:43:51] <payonel> i didn't know i
could use palettes in ocemu
L1572[15:44:00] <payonel> it's not
something i've ever even looked at even in oc
L1573[15:44:12] <gamax92> ahh
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L1575[15:46:53] <gamax92> lol greaser|q,
I see your comment.
L1576[15:46:58] <greaser|q> yep
L1577[15:47:01] <greaser|q> fuck
MAtmos
L1578[15:47:38] <greaser|q> oh great,
looking at another thread someone's saying that if you're on a desk
job you should be working and not looking at reddit
L1579[15:47:53] <greaser|q> i swear
whoever said that has not ever had a desk job
L1580[15:48:04] <Michiyo> Right..?
L1581[15:48:12] <greaser|q> i've not had
a desk job but i do understand the concept of "there's
actually nothing to do right now"
L1582[15:48:16] <Michiyo> fml.. I'm
sitting here bored off my ass, nothing to do no customers....
L1583[15:48:53] <Michiyo> Like... I could
go stare at the walls of merch, but I know 99.9% of it and I can
stumble through the .1%
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L1586[15:54:10] <gamax92> greaser|q: so
heres a question, if you go from something like 6bit RGB to 8bit
RGB, how do you stretch the range out?
L1587[15:54:23] <gamax92> if you simply
just shift it up, then there is black, but no true white
L1588[15:54:42] <gamax92> similar issues
if you fill the bits in with ones
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L1591[15:55:40] <greaser|q> gamax92:
new_r =
(old_r*(new_r_range-1)+(old_r_range/2))/(old_r_range-1);
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L1593[15:58:44] <greaser|q> of course, if
you just want to calculate it quickly then just stick with a
bitshift
L1594[15:58:54] <greaser|q> but your
compiler should be able to work out a fairly fast multiply
L1595[15:59:13] <greaser|q> (ARM7TDMI for
instance uses 2-5 clocks for a multiply, or 3-6 for a FMA)
L1596[16:01:14] <greaser|q> actually if
you're doing this in lua 5.1/5.2... i'm not sure if multiplying by
a suitable float and flooring it will be more efficient than a LUT,
i *suspect* the LUT will win out, just remember to use a
1-base
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L1598[16:01:48] <greaser|q> as after all
you need to unpack the colour
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L1600[16:03:50] <greaser|q> oh yeah,
something that comes to mind, a note for anyone who wants to make a
3d game for OC: write a voxel engine
L1601[16:03:55] <greaser|q> and i do NOT
mean an MC-styled one
L1602[16:04:15] <greaser|q> you've
basically got 62 voxels you can use
L1603[16:04:42] <greaser|q> if you do
proper sorting you can go up to maybe about 100
L1604[16:05:41] <greaser|q> the reason i
don't say 63 is you need to be able to clear to the skybox
colour
L1605[16:05:50] <greaser|q> except if the
whole thing is enclosed in a space
L1606[16:06:20] <gamax92> greaser|q: but
if I make a 2D game I can abuse copy
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L1608[16:06:49] <greaser|q> yeap
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L1613[16:13:14] <gamax92> greaser|q: does
ice codec do anything fancy with offscreen copies?
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L1615[16:13:21] <gamax92> or
viewports
L1616[16:13:33] <greaser|q> gamax92: it
doesn't
L1617[16:14:06] <gamax92> by offscreen
copies, I mean it shouldn't try to do a copy where the region is
past the boundaries of the resolution
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L1624[16:29:32] <vifino> ATTENTION!
KittyKath is adorable!
L1625[16:29:54] <KittyKath> I am NOT
ADORABLE :<
L1626[16:30:08] <Lucca> scientists have
proven that vifino is vifino
L1627[16:30:09] <Dashkal> Yes, yes you
are.
L1628[16:30:19] <KittyKath> Dashkal: Shut
up :<
L1629[16:30:28] <Dashkal> You're so
utterly cute as you rip my hands to shreads. I just wanna say
awwwwoowoowwwwwwawwwwwowwww
L1630[16:30:54] <KittyKath> .-.
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L1632[16:33:05] <Shuetox> Hey i'm having
a trouble getting the opencomputer dependencies to work in my
gradle setup, whats wrong with this line "compile
"li.cil.oc:OpenComputers:MC1.8.9-1.6.0.14:api""
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L1634[16:38:51] <Shuetox> Nevermind,
fixed it
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L1638[16:41:49] <LuMistry>
Greetings
L1639[16:41:54] <payonel> o/
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L1644[16:58:34] <greaser|q> well, there's
a market for it
L1645[16:58:53] <greaser|q> after all,
linux dominates the server market
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L1647[17:00:09] <KittyKath> Yeah... Still
MS was very closed about their server capabilities
L1648[17:07:31] <gamax92> neat
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L1676[20:10:52] <gamax92> 100% real
chicken*
L1677[20:15:10] <Achai> drybirdfam
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L1683[20:50:56] <snowden89> yeah i dont
get it
L1684[20:51:04] <snowden89> if i am
already running linux servers
L1685[20:51:12] <snowden89> why would i
put MSSQL
L1686[20:51:14] <snowden89> onto it
L1687[20:51:31] <snowden89> i would most
likely already be running postgres of pysql
L1688[20:51:33] <snowden89> mysql*
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L1704[21:50:19] <gamax92> where did ds
go?
L1705[22:18:42] <Antheus> 4chan
L1706[22:18:53] <Antheus> His home of
dank maymays
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L1847[23:24:49] <ping> Fakk the
split!
L1848[23:34:25] <gamax92> banana
split
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