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L1[00:00:15] <Sandra> mmm, GM:Studio added that iirc.
L2[00:00:27] <Sandra> along with html5 support, and various console support.
L3[00:00:33] <Sandra> it's basically the same stuff Unity has.
L4[00:00:38] <Saphire> :O
L5[00:00:46] <Saphire> Html5 undertale...
L6[00:00:50] <Sandra> in fact it's basically like unity but simpler and 2d.
L7[00:01:12] <Sandra> I mean it's possible.
L8[00:01:16] <Saphire> Temia: in fact, just standalone executable and media
L9[00:02:05] * Izaya shudders at the mention of GameMaker
L10[00:02:22] <Temia> BACK IN MY DAY
L11[00:02:30] <Temia> WE HAD TO MAKE OUR OWN BUILD SYSTEM
L12[00:02:47] <Temia> AND MAKE SURE IT WOULD RUN WITH MOST ANY COMPILER
L13[00:03:08] <Temia> AND WE WALKED UPHILL IN THE SNOW TO OUR PACKAGE MAINTAINERS
L14[00:03:10] <Temia> BOTH WAYS
L15[00:03:12] * Temia waves cane
L16[00:04:25] <Izaya> uphill...
L17[00:04:27] <Izaya> both ways?
L18[00:04:36] <Temia> Yes
L19[00:04:56] <Temia> It was a kernel bug back in those days
L20[00:05:24] <Temia> And we just worked around it because only bugs that affected enterprise systems ever got fixed back then1
L21[00:05:25] <Izaya> tl;dr Temia's kernel was once a mobius strip
L22[00:05:27] <Temia> *!
L23[00:06:43] <Temia> Now I'm sure you're enjoying storytime and all but grandma's tired.
L24[00:06:48] * Temia flop. zzzmoo.
L25[00:07:07] <Izaya> Sleep well?
L26[00:10:48] <SoraFirestorm> sure...
L27[00:10:56] <SoraFirestorm> Depends on the project
L28[00:11:01] <SoraFirestorm> But build systems aren't that hard
L29[00:11:05] <SoraFirestorm> It's called make :P
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L31[00:12:17] <Sandra> Izaya, I don't think game maker is anywhere near as bad as it used to be, as of GM:Studio.
L32[00:13:11] <Izaya> it was written in what was it
L33[00:13:13] <Izaya> PASCAL?
L34[00:13:50] <Sandra> maybe... originally.
L35[00:14:18] <Sandra> Delphi.
L36[00:14:24] <Sandra> it's written in.
L37[00:14:30] <Sandra> and what's the problem with that?
L38[00:16:52] *** Daiyousei is now known as LearningFairy
L39[00:17:38] <Sandra> GM:Studio builds for: Windows, Windows 8, Mac OS X, Ubuntu, HTML5, Android, iOS, Windows Phone 8, Tizen, Xbox One, and Playstation
L40[00:17:53] <Sandra> i have no idea what a Tizen is.
L41[00:18:16] <Izaya> I was about to ask
L42[00:18:16] <Sandra> oh, it's a linux based mobile touchscreen os.
L43[00:18:27] <Izaya> huh
L44[00:18:28] <Sandra> like android.
L45[00:18:40] <Sandra> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizen
L46[00:18:48] <Sandra> it's by the linux foundation huh.
L47[00:19:24] <Izaya> SDK is closed-source
L48[00:19:24] <Sandra> and is run by samsung.
L49[00:19:30] <Izaya> but the kernel is open-source?
L50[00:22:25] <Sandra> that's... weird.
L51[00:24:03] <Sandra> presumably that's tools and stuff made for the sdk.
L52[00:25:07] <SoraFirestorm> *sigh*
L53[00:25:12] <SoraFirestorm> friends website is still down
L54[00:25:28] <SoraFirestorm> I think the whole server is down now too
L55[00:25:51] <Sandra> the sdk is html5 purely apparently.
L56[00:25:56] <Sandra> like firefox OS.
L57[00:26:08] <SoraFirestorm> And we all know how that ended
L58[00:26:21] <Izaya> so that means
L59[00:26:23] <Izaya> javashit?
L60[00:26:24] <SoraFirestorm> And just in case you don't - Mozilla recently killed Firefox OS
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L62[00:27:31] <Sandra> yep.
L63[00:27:40] <Sandra> SoraFirestorm, they did?
L64[00:27:44] <SoraFirestorm> So I heard
L65[00:28:08] <SoraFirestorm> http://techcrunch.com/2015/12/08/mozilla-will-stop-developing-and-selling-firefox-os-smartphones/
L66[00:28:10] <SoraFirestorm> One place
L67[00:28:45] <SoraFirestorm> but yeah
L68[00:28:46] <SoraFirestorm> they did
L69[00:28:51] *** Kasen is now known as rakiru|offline
L70[00:29:41] <SoraFirestorm> oh good lord
L71[00:29:46] <SoraFirestorm> Emacs doesn't know how to highlight Scala
L72[00:29:48] <SoraFirestorm> uggghhh
L73[00:29:52] <Sandra> the wikipedia article has only 1 line about it
L74[00:30:01] <Sandra> SoraFirestorm, download an extension for it duh.
L75[00:30:11] <SoraFirestorm> yeah, I know I know
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L77[00:31:10] <SoraFirestorm> I was just surprised mostly
L78[00:31:18] <SoraFirestorm> Actually, now that I think about it
L79[00:31:22] <SoraFirestorm> not really surprising
L80[00:31:28] <SoraFirestorm> Doesn't know how to do Lua without a mod
L81[00:31:33] <SoraFirestorm> s/mod/mode/
L82[00:31:33] <MichiBot> <SoraFirestorm> Doesn't know how to do Lua without a mode
L83[00:31:40] <SoraFirestorm> Kinda disappointing tbh
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L85[00:36:18] <SoraFirestorm> ok
L86[00:36:22] <SoraFirestorm> I kinda give up
L87[00:36:29] <SoraFirestorm> How do you call Java functions from Scala?
L88[00:37:21] <SoraFirestorm> I need to get to one of the functions I defined in JNLua
L89[00:38:42] <Sandra> SoraFirestorm, JavaClass.javaFunction()?
L90[00:38:52] <Sandra> the exact way you call scala functions?
L91[00:38:53] <SoraFirestorm> Really that simple?
L92[00:38:54] <SoraFirestorm> Damn
L93[00:38:55] <SoraFirestorm> ok
L94[00:39:03] <Sandra> why wouldn't it be.
L95[00:39:23] <SoraFirestorm> Because I've seen a lot of times that the simple and obvious solution is the wrong one
L96[00:39:28] <SoraFirestorm> thanks though
L97[00:40:10] <Sandra> in a surprising number of cases, scala can be used just like java except that you don't need semicolons and you put the type after instead of before.
L98[00:40:23] <Sandra> (and val or var before.)
L99[00:44:22] <Temia> That seems slightly counterintuitive? Is there a known rationale for that syntax?
L100[00:45:42] <Sandra> Temia, the types are sometimes optional, if it can infer it from the return type of the initial assignment.
L101[00:46:00] <Sandra> other than that, I have no idea.
L102[00:46:01] <Temia> I see.
L103[00:47:00] <Temia> Well, heck, D can implicitly determine types too, but it still follows having the type before if explicitly declared.
L104[00:47:43] <Sandra> instead of saying "EnumFacing dir;", you say "var dir: EnumFacing"
L105[00:48:05] <Temia> Yeah, that's just weird to me.
L106[00:48:05] <Saphire> thats pascal
L107[00:48:18] <Sandra> thats scala.
L108[00:48:55] <Sandra> also I think I broke my idea installation. :(
L109[00:49:12] <SoraFirestorm> Java is making my life far more difficult than it has to...
L110[00:49:21] <SoraFirestorm> It does not help that I'm honestly not that strong in Java
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L112[00:58:08] <Sandra> time to wait FOR GODDAMN FOREVER for idea to refresh my project.
L113[00:58:17] <Sandra> thankfully it only has to do this the first time.
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L117[01:04:13] <SoraFirestorm> *sigh*
L118[01:05:25] <SoraFirestorm> Wish I knew how to Java
L119[01:10:59] <Shuudoushi> it seems someone hates me...
L120[01:11:05] <SoraFirestorm> ?
L121[01:11:11] <Shuudoushi> unintentionally though...
L122[01:11:39] <Shuudoushi> term windows and multiscreen support porting...
L123[01:12:14] <Shuudoushi> to SOS, which I haven't let die just yet, just been busy as hell
L124[01:17:14] <SoraFirestorm> uh...
L125[01:17:18] <SoraFirestorm> How do I build OpenComputers?
L126[01:17:31] <Shuudoushi> with MAGIC!
L127[01:17:36] <SoraFirestorm> >_>
L128[01:17:53] <SoraFirestorm> aha there we go
L129[01:17:55] <SoraFirestorm> go it
L130[01:19:31] <SoraFirestorm> s/go/got/
L131[01:19:31] <MichiBot> <SoraFirestorm> got it
L132[01:19:46] <SoraFirestorm> and now we wait, apparently
L133[01:24:25] <SoraFirestorm> gradle is sloooow :(
L134[01:24:42] <SoraFirestorm> I think this first run is mostly downloading crap though
L135[01:26:47] <Sandra> SoraFirestorm, Gradle is indeed slow. that is why #FuckGradle.
L136[01:36:54] <SoraFirestorm> Anyone Games Done Quick fans?
L137[01:36:57] <SoraFirestorm> I think I found the best run
L138[01:37:08] <SoraFirestorm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U22_noWVwsE
L139[01:37:09] <MichiBot> SoraFirestorm: AGDQ 2016 TASBot plays Brain Age with chat | length: 24m 6s | Likes: 538 Dislikes: 11 Views: 29296 | by Extended Reality
L140[01:37:59] <Izaya> I can control mpd using an IRC bot
L141[01:38:03] <Izaya> has science gone too far?
L142[01:38:20] <Saphire> Nah, thats usual
L143[01:39:06] <Saphire> Controlling it trough few tunnels across the globe using something weird like gestures
L144[01:39:29] <Izaya> hey
L145[01:39:31] <Izaya> do we have like
L146[01:39:36] <Izaya> sign language recoignition yet?
L147[01:39:38] <Saphire> that would be a little further than normal
L148[01:39:53] <Izaya> if not we need this
L149[01:39:57] <Izaya> not that I can do sign language
L150[01:39:58] <Izaya> but
L151[01:40:18] <Saphire> Izaya: i think there might be something on GH
L152[01:43:40] <Sandra> apparently Batman: Arkham Asylum is a metroidvania.
L153[01:43:43] <Sandra> ok then/
L154[01:44:00] <Izaya> whats metroidvania?
L155[01:45:00] <SoraFirestorm> A genre
L156[01:45:05] <Sandra> a metroidvania is a game with dynamic progression through upgrades. typically a platformer.
L157[01:45:07] <SoraFirestorm> explorey and backtracky
L158[01:45:22] <Sandra> generally involves backtracking and exploring.
L159[01:45:29] <SoraFirestorm> 'Named' after two of the bigger series known for it
L160[01:45:34] <SoraFirestorm> Metroid and Castlevania
L161[01:45:49] <Shuudoushi> fuck backtracking!
L162[01:45:59] <Sandra> the definitive metroidvanias in most people's opinion are super metroid and castlevania symphony of the night.
L163[01:46:57] <Sandra> it's probably my favourite genre atm.
L164[01:47:27] <Shuudoushi> kinda shocked Michiyo hasn't bitched at me for dieing again yet...
L165[01:47:40] <SoraFirestorm> Backtracking can be fun
L166[01:48:17] <SoraFirestorm> gradle still hasn't finished 30 min later
L167[01:48:25] <SoraFirestorm> That's kinda ridiculous honestly
L168[01:48:41] <Sandra> SoraFirestorm, yeah..... that is ridiculous.
L169[01:48:47] <Sandra> is it at least progressing?
L170[01:48:51] <SoraFirestorm> It's been sitting there downloading most of the time
L171[01:49:56] <SoraFirestorm> Which is really dumb
L172[01:50:10] <SoraFirestorm> Because it ought to just build the damn thing without needing to grab tons of APIs and crap
L173[01:51:39] <Shuudoushi> one word for you: gradle
L174[01:52:13] <SoraFirestorm> I haven't touched any API stuff :/
L175[01:52:23] <Shuudoushi> like it gives a fuck lol
L176[01:53:53] <SoraFirestorm> Yeah I know
L177[01:54:44] <SoraFirestorm> I am going to say that I'm not impressed that over 30 min has been spent downloading useless (for my purpose) shit
L178[01:59:18] <SoraFirestorm> It's neat that OC can intergrate with so many things
L179[01:59:27] <SoraFirestorm> but good lord comoooooooon
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L182[02:09:52] <Shuudoushi> well then... this explains a lot... http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4995624662
L183[02:10:43] <SoraFirestorm> How is your up higher htan your down?
L184[02:10:48] <SoraFirestorm> s/htan/than/
L185[02:10:48] <MichiBot> <SoraFirestorm> How is your up higher than your down?
L186[02:10:59] <Shuudoushi> idefk...
L187[02:11:21] <Shuudoushi> only thing I can think of, is that another node went down
L188[02:14:25] <SoraFirestorm> What the hell is a 'pom', anyways?
L189[02:14:50] <Shuudoushi> ?
L190[02:21:28] <SoraFirestorm> gradle is downloading poms
L191[02:22:55] <Shuudoushi> idfk, some kind of internal anagram?
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L193[02:26:23] * Shuudoushi pokes Inari.
L194[02:26:28] <Inari> ?
L195[02:26:35] <Shuudoushi> hi
L196[02:26:40] <Inari> ohi
L197[02:30:33] <Izaya> http://i.imgur.com/vAOFkrp.jpg
L198[02:31:44] <Shuudoushi> Izaya: you wish
L199[02:31:52] <Izaya> I wish what?
L200[02:32:04] <Shuudoushi> that imgur link
L201[02:32:12] <Izaya> That's sitting in the same room as me
L202[02:32:18] <Izaya> I own that.
L203[02:32:31] <Shuudoushi> nope, it's just your imagination
L204[02:32:34] <Inari> looks uncomfrotable and unpretty
L205[02:32:39] <Shuudoushi> lol
L206[02:33:28] <Shuudoushi> more than likely looks like cthulhu on the inside as well
L207[02:33:41] <Izaya> Not really, only one switch and two servers
L208[02:33:59] <Shuudoushi> no UPS?
L209[02:34:07] <Izaya> too cheap for a working one
L210[02:34:11] <Shuudoushi> monster
L211[02:34:15] <Inari> why are you putting your maids in there? and why is being a switch the most descriptive you can say about the third person
L212[02:34:32] <Shuudoushi> XD
L213[02:34:41] <Izaya> well I s'pose that's one way to look at it
L214[02:34:47] <Shuudoushi> holy fuck I missed you Inari XD
L215[02:34:56] <Inari> o.o
L216[02:35:09] <Izaya> though if we're being literal I'd describe one of the servers as a bird
L217[02:35:29] <Izaya> izaya@phoenix:~$
L218[02:35:47] <Shuudoushi> I'd describe them all as a fireball in a few months
L219[02:35:52] <Inari> so is the bird top, bottom, or a switch too?
L220[02:36:19] <Izaya> well the switch is above both
L221[02:36:28] <Inari> ah
L222[02:36:33] <Izaya> look lemme finish uploading the pictures
L223[02:36:43] <Shuudoushi> fuck no
L224[02:37:47] <Shuudoushi> Michiyo you lazy shit, hurry up and update the ver of OC we have on the server so I can see if my dev branch will explode with the latest ver of it
L225[02:38:44] <Izaya> http://imgur.com/a/XYAx1
L226[02:38:57] <Inari> http://i.imgur.com/Tdy8yDC.gifv
L227[02:39:57] <Shuudoushi> LMFAO
L228[02:40:10] <Inari> http://imgur.com/DzCogyM
L229[02:40:38] <Shuudoushi> Izaya: nice fancy server rack, with two shitty looking towers set in the bottom huh
L230[02:40:47] <Izaya> yeah
L231[02:40:47] <Inari> lol
L232[02:40:49] <Izaya> still uh
L233[02:40:53] <Inari> guess the switch will permanently be to
L234[02:40:54] <Izaya> working on obtaining tower cases
L235[02:40:54] <Inari> *top
L236[02:40:55] <Inari> poor thing
L237[02:41:05] <Izaya> not tower cases
L238[02:41:07] <Izaya> rackmount cases
L239[02:41:17] <Izaya> THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I DON'T HAVE COFFEE
L240[02:41:40] <Shuudoushi> fuck coffee, snort an 8-ball
L241[02:42:33] <Shuudoushi> I just remembered that Izaya is more than likely too young to get that reference...
L242[02:43:29] <SoraFirestorm> I probably am too
L243[02:43:35] <Shuudoushi> Izaya: LMAO, I just noticed that the towers are set ontop of another switch that's being used as a floor plate XD
L244[02:43:51] <Izaya> too cheap for a shelf
L245[02:44:00] <Izaya> well I have 5 rackmount shelves
L246[02:44:03] <Izaya> but they're too long
L247[02:44:07] <Inari> too cheap but all those monitors and crap x.x
L248[02:44:14] <Shuudoushi> scene from an old movie, someone is told to snort an 8-ball, so they try to snort a magic 8-ball
L249[02:44:14] <Izaya> Inari, I get all of this for free
L250[02:44:28] <Izaya> the rack was free
L251[02:44:30] <Inari> psh
L252[02:44:38] <Shuudoushi> Izaya: it's called a fucking hack saw...
L253[02:44:43] <Inari> so i guess the bottom switch is permanently bottom then for now
L254[02:44:57] <Izaya> the only things I didn't get for free was my desktop and the white server in the rack
L255[02:45:22] <Shuudoushi> how the fuck btw
L256[02:45:33] <Izaya> work
L257[02:45:45] <Izaya> mostly anyway
L258[02:45:50] <Shuudoushi> you just hit up random places that are shutting down and ask for their old shit
L259[02:46:05] <Shuudoushi> so yes
L260[02:46:19] <Izaya> well
L261[02:46:28] <Izaya> we did a big upgrade recently
L262[02:46:34] <Shuudoushi> in effect at least
L263[02:46:53] <Izaya> and they got a bigger server rack for the server room
L264[02:47:01] <Izaya> so I got the old one
L265[02:47:21] <Shuudoushi> server cases + hacksaw + duct tape = win btw
L266[02:47:52] <SoraFirestorm> fuck
L267[02:47:55] <Shuudoushi> that or jb weld in place of the duct tape
L268[02:48:04] <SoraFirestorm> gradle you piece of shit
L269[02:48:05] <Lizzy> Shuudoushi: I don't think Mimiru is up yet
L270[02:48:25] <Shuudoushi> seems it, but she'll get those messages when she's up
L271[02:48:27] <SoraFirestorm> "I can't download this file I don't really need, so I'm going to error out"
L272[02:48:32] <Izaya> I only have the one rackmount case and it's for a 1999 Dell server that no longer works and had a fucky form factor
L273[02:48:42] <SoraFirestorm> dammit all
L274[02:48:57] <SoraFirestorm> 1:26 wasted because it couldn't find a file
L275[02:49:07] * Lizzy prods vi
L276[02:49:09] <Shuudoushi> Izaya: drill + spare stand offs + hacksaw + jb weld = win
L277[02:49:14] * Lizzy prods vifino
L278[02:49:34] <Izaya> Lizzy, :q!
L279[02:49:52] <Shuudoushi> anything can be made to work with a little redneckery
L280[02:50:02] <Lizzy> Hit send instead of
L281[02:50:03] <SoraFirestorm> aw shit
L282[02:50:03] <Lizzy> search
L283[02:50:08] <Lizzy> Fuck sale
L284[02:50:12] <Lizzy> -_-
L285[02:50:15] <Shuudoushi> lol
L286[02:50:17] <SoraFirestorm> uh
L287[02:50:42] <Izaya> I'll have a go at it some time maybe
L288[02:50:43] <Lizzy> My hand hits send prematurely
L289[02:50:43] <Inari> Shuudoushi: gaffer tape pls
L290[02:50:52] <Izaya> It's only 1U unfortunately
L291[02:51:16] <Izaya> I've got my eyes on a nice-looking 2U short case but $150 is out of my price range right now
L292[02:51:18] <Shuudoushi> then add some sheet metal to the recipe
L293[02:52:10] <Shuudoushi> Inari: we call that 200 mph tape here lol
L294[02:52:18] <Inari> but duct tape sucks
L295[02:52:26] <Shuudoushi> agreed
L296[02:52:55] <Shuudoushi> but everyone knows wtf you're talking about when you say duct tape, a lot of people still thinks gaffer tape IS duct tape
L297[02:53:39] <SoraFirestorm> *sigh*
L298[02:53:50] * Shuudoushi pats SoraFirestorm on the head.
L299[02:54:32] <Shuudoushi> I think it's time for sleep
L300[02:54:39] <Shuudoushi> almost 0300 now
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L302[02:55:03] <SoraFirestorm> so, now we are going to see if gradle will build or not
L303[02:55:49] <SoraFirestorm> question
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L305[02:56:07] <SoraFirestorm> anyone develop with cross-mod support with ProjectRed recently?
L306[02:57:30] <Shuudoushi> and my net is still properly fucked... http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4995708577
L307[02:59:23] <SoraFirestorm> anyways
L308[02:59:35] <SoraFirestorm> whether or not it'll build this time, I'm going to bed afterwards
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L311[03:03:00] <Izaya> double the upload to download
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L314[03:09:03] <Shuudoushi> http://i.imgur.com/YToAPOZ.jpg
L315[03:18:10] <SoraFirestorm> interesting image you have there, Shuudoushi
L316[03:22:15] <SoraFirestorm> comeon build dammit
L317[03:22:31] <SoraFirestorm> I think I can build a Linux kernel faster than this
L318[03:22:33] <SoraFirestorm> holy crap
L319[03:23:10] <Saphire> It does
L320[03:23:32] <Saphire> You have been compiling it for.. two hours now?
L321[03:23:43] <SoraFirestorm> One try failed 1:23 in
L322[03:23:50] <Shuudoushi> time for sleep, night all
L323[03:23:51] <SoraFirestorm> Another try has been running for a little while
L324[03:25:21] <SoraFirestorm> Okay, I'm bored, so I'm going to say this and see where it goes :
L325[03:25:32] <SoraFirestorm> I hope someone makes a 1.9 mod so we can duel wield swords
L326[03:25:47] <SoraFirestorm> Especially TiCon swords
L327[03:25:56] <SoraFirestorm> I wanna duel wield TiCon swords
L328[03:27:19] <SoraFirestorm> I think it is incredibly stupid that you can't duel wield swords so far in 1.9
L329[03:27:40] <SoraFirestorm> You can hold a bow and a sword *at the same damn time*
L330[03:27:50] <SoraFirestorm> And fire the bow while you're at it
L331[03:27:59] <SoraFirestorm> Which ought to require 3 damn hands
L332[03:28:15] <SoraFirestorm> And yet we can't swing two swords with two hands? Seriously?
L333[03:30:26] <Saphire> Hah
L334[03:30:36] <SoraFirestorm> I'm being serious too
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L336[03:31:11] <Saphire> I get it. I was laughing at bow & sword dual wield
L337[03:31:32] <SoraFirestorm> Not entirely sure if that is still possible
L338[03:31:38] <SoraFirestorm> I did it in a snapshot some months ago
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L340[03:31:45] <SoraFirestorm> *but still*
L341[03:32:56] <Turtle> yaaay gpu temperature is being reported as 0
L342[03:33:02] <SoraFirestorm> win
L343[03:34:15] <Inari> at least its not 0 K
L344[03:34:32] <Saphire> :D
L345[03:35:04] <SoraFirestorm> I'm half ready to give up on my feature
L346[03:35:23] <SoraFirestorm> even though I really don't want to because I've already told half a dozen people I'm doing it
L347[03:35:29] <Turtle> trying to update nvidia drivers now, aand it's hanging
L348[03:36:58] <SoraFirestorm> And people are actually excited about it too
L349[03:37:03] <SoraFirestorm> I'd hate to disappoint
L350[03:39:58] <Saphire> No pressure, no pressure AT ALL
L351[03:40:05] <SoraFirestorm> :P
L352[03:40:26] <SoraFirestorm> I *want* to, but OC not building for me will ultimately stop me
L353[03:40:33] <Saphire> Who made thay ARM arch btw?
L354[03:41:26] <Saphire> Sora, is it even doing anything?
L355[03:41:39] <SoraFirestorm> eh
L356[03:41:40] <SoraFirestorm> Duno
L357[03:41:55] <SoraFirestorm> no printouts in the past little while
L358[03:42:19] <SoraFirestorm> no real CPU load
L359[03:42:27] <SoraFirestorm> dammit
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L361[03:42:45] <SoraFirestorm> going to start it over
L362[03:43:01] <SoraFirestorm> If I don't make any progress before the hour
L363[03:43:04] <SoraFirestorm> I'm going to bed
L364[03:43:18] <SoraFirestorm> It's friggin 1:42 AM over here in PST land
L365[03:43:26] <Saphire> Ow
L366[03:43:43] <SoraFirestorm> I'm kind of a night person, so it's not a huge deal
L367[03:43:53] <SoraFirestorm> But I kinda need to, you know, not cycle
L368[03:43:53] <Inari> whys it taking so long for you to build anyway
L369[03:44:02] <SoraFirestorm> no damn clue
L370[03:44:20] <SoraFirestorm> The first time it errored out because it couldn't download an API it wanted
L371[03:44:27] <SoraFirestorm> Specifically for Project Red
L372[03:44:58] <SoraFirestorm> This last time it was on "> Building 28% > :compileApiJava > Resolving dependencies ':apiCompile'"
L373[03:45:17] <SoraFirestorm> And just now got to that point on this try
L374[03:45:27] <Saphire> Can you skip deps?
L375[03:45:30] <SoraFirestorm> It's been ~3 minutes
L376[03:45:37] <SoraFirestorm> I don't know
L377[03:45:44] <SoraFirestorm> I would if I knew how
L378[03:45:55] <Inari> OC1.6?
L379[03:46:05] <SoraFirestorm> That's apparently what master is, yes
L380[03:46:21] <SoraFirestorm> I branched from master-MC1.7.10
L381[03:46:23] <Inari> hm odd tha twent fine for me xD had some issues in 1.5 though
L382[03:46:39] <SoraFirestorm> It's current as-of a couple hours ago
L383[03:46:47] <SoraFirestorm> brb
L384[03:48:00] <SoraFirestorm> The kinda frustrating part is that this is a conceptually simple part
L385[03:48:05] <SoraFirestorm> s/part/patch/
L386[03:48:07] <MichiBot> <SoraFirestorm> The kinda frustrating patch is that this is a conceptually simple part
L387[03:48:11] <SoraFirestorm> nice
L388[03:48:20] <SoraFirestorm> anyrate
L389[03:48:35] <SoraFirestorm> I was able to make this patch to vanilla Lua in less than 30 min
L390[03:48:36] <SoraFirestorm> if that
L391[03:48:52] <SoraFirestorm> But now I have to wade across 3 different languages to get this accomplished
L392[03:48:56] <SoraFirestorm> And it's taking hours
L393[03:49:26] <SoraFirestorm> </whining/
L394[03:49:35] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/gzVTsuo
L395[03:50:07] <SoraFirestorm> that made me hungry dammit
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L397[03:50:28] <SoraFirestorm> very impressive though
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L399[03:51:41] <Inari> it is xD
L400[03:51:44] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/DBQ4KwF
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L402[03:53:02] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/EGFUlh8 haha
L403[03:53:21] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/LlroE0j XD
L404[03:54:37] <Inari> right i should stop doing imgur and getting something done
L405[03:58:52] <Saphire> You really should
L406[04:00:09] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/MuviU the feels though ;-;
L407[04:00:33] <Lizzy> oh shit http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/12/microsofts_get_windows_10_nagware_is_showing_signs_of_sentience/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/14/get_windows_10_business_pcs/
L408[04:02:33] <Inari> im suuuuure its just mutatnig
L409[04:02:41] <Inari> what drugs are people on
L410[04:02:47] <SoraFirestorm> Inari: independently found that last one
L411[04:02:51] <SoraFirestorm> feels were had
L412[04:03:02] <SoraFirestorm> Lizzy: just another reason to dump that stupid Windows crap
L413[04:03:13] <SoraFirestorm> Microsoft has some sort of Hitler power
L414[04:03:25] <SoraFirestorm> Where they somehow stay alive even though they really ought to die
L415[04:03:28] <Inari> i'd dump windows, for a better OS, that combines windows, linux, and mac and can run all 3
L416[04:03:58] <Izaya> qubes
L417[04:04:01] <Izaya> sorta
L418[04:04:31] <SoraFirestorm> Why settle with Macintrash?
L419[04:04:45] <Inari> Izaya: sounds like it uses VMs
L420[04:04:46] <Lizzy> windows updates have been turned off on my laptop since about a week after i got it.
L421[04:04:56] <SoraFirestorm> Inari: think it does
L422[04:05:01] <Izaya> yeah
L423[04:05:04] <Inari> well VMs kind of suck if you're trying to play minecraft
L424[04:05:06] <Izaya> it uses virtualization magic
L425[04:05:07] <SoraFirestorm> Lizzy: I win by hardly using Windows :P
L426[04:05:18] <Izaya> apparently the perf doesn't suck as hard on qubes
L427[04:05:31] <Inari> my mc perf already sucks on windows
L428[04:05:49] <SoraFirestorm> Haven't actually tried on this machine yet
L429[04:06:05] <SoraFirestorm> Someone *cough* needs to bring their website back up so I can run my launcher
L430[04:06:15] <Inari> but yeah, to change from windows another OS would have to offer some really kinda killer feature
L431[04:06:19] <Inari> and i cant really imagine what that would be
L432[04:06:20] <Inari> :p
L433[04:06:24] <SoraFirestorm> uh
L434[04:06:26] <SoraFirestorm> portable
L435[04:06:32] <SoraFirestorm> standards-compliant
L436[04:06:43] <SoraFirestorm> not trying to gouge you for money
L437[04:07:00] <SoraFirestorm> written by some of the smartest hackers all over the world
L438[04:07:03] <Inari> eh, i pay a little every 5-10-ish years, i pay a lot more for other stupid crap
L439[04:07:05] <Izaya> these killer features seem awfully similar to something I heard about once
L440[04:07:18] <Inari> SoraFirestorm: so, any killer features that apply to actual daily use? xD
L441[04:07:29] <SoraFirestorm> industrial strengh
L442[04:07:34] <SoraFirestorm> s/strengh/strength/
L443[04:07:34] <MichiBot> <SoraFirestorm> industrial strength
L444[04:07:43] <Turtle> drivers updated, temp monitoring still spazzes
L445[04:07:44] <Turtle> ohwell
L446[04:08:25] <Inari> with killer feature i mean some real feature not "its a tiny bit beter somehow"
L447[04:08:37] <Saphire> SoraFirestorm: did it compiled?
L448[04:08:45] <SoraFirestorm> no dammit
L449[04:08:47] <Lizzy> I use both linux and windows, mainly because most of the games i play are windows only and i don't feel like trying to fuck about with wine or mono to get them to run on linux
L450[04:08:53] <Inari> cause tehres big changing-over costs :P
L451[04:08:54] <SoraFirestorm> It's stuck
L452[04:09:10] <Inari> Lizzy: i would, except i cantjust swithc between them on the fly, so i dont
L453[04:09:15] <SoraFirestorm> Inari: yeah, because Microsoft are a bunch of assholes and aren't standards compliant
L454[04:09:21] <Saphire> ^
L455[04:09:29] <Inari> SoraFirestorm: ?
L456[04:09:52] <SoraFirestorm> There are basically two classes of OS in the modern age for x86 PCs
L457[04:09:59] <SoraFirestorm> Windows
L458[04:10:10] <SoraFirestorm> And damn near everything else via POSIX
L459[04:10:43] <Inari> well, theres broadly mac, windows and linux software-wise
L460[04:10:53] <SoraFirestorm> Mac and Linux are both POSIX
L461[04:11:06] <SoraFirestorm> Windows is not without 3rd party libs
L462[04:11:14] <Inari> yet tehres always things that have mac builds
L463[04:11:41] <Inari> so changing over means a) having to choose a distro b) installing and moving everything over c) getting used to the new interface and where everything in it is to be found d) finding replacement software fro all the software that cant be found on the new OS, etc etc
L464[04:11:49] <Inari> aka, way too much work if theres no real advantage
L465[04:11:54] <SoraFirestorm> because Apple users are entitled and whine when they are 'oppressed'
L466[04:13:23] <SoraFirestorm> sane developers write code that is cross-platform anyways
L467[04:13:41] <SoraFirestorm> braindead ones write specifically for a single OS
L468[04:14:02] <Turtle> Congratz, have fun dealing with legacy shit that is fundamentally different per OS
L469[04:15:09] <SoraFirestorm> Part of the big problem is that Linux moves really really fast
L470[04:15:19] <SoraFirestorm> That's not a Linux issue perse
L471[04:15:20] <Lizzy> https://janus.theender.net/shx/2016-01-14_10-15-01.png woo, got sharex uploading ot janus
L472[04:15:36] <Turtle> I'd rather argue that it's enterprise moving far too slowly
L473[04:15:37] <Lizzy> got the wrong irl though
L474[04:16:03] <SoraFirestorm> It's not that enterprise moves too slowly
L475[04:16:14] <SoraFirestorm> It's that people don't release their damn source code
L476[04:16:27] <Lizzy> take 2 https://www.theender.net/shx/2016-01-14_10-16-16.png
L477[04:16:32] <Lizzy> woo
L478[04:16:45] <SoraFirestorm> Most things still have API compatibility in Linux, even years on
L479[04:16:51] <Inari> Lizzy: your ssl be broke
L480[04:16:59] <Turtle> Sora, tbh, I agree on the source code thing
L481[04:17:03] <SoraFirestorm> The Linux kernel itself is famous for it's API compat
L482[04:17:18] <Lizzy> Inari, on the first one? yeah. because te cert is for www.theender.net, i derped and told sharex to do janus.theender.net
L483[04:17:24] <Inari> :p
L484[04:17:26] <SoraFirestorm> But when you don't have source and only a binary
L485[04:17:34] <Lizzy> Inari, 2nd should be fine
L486[04:17:35] <SoraFirestorm> You have to resort to ugly hacks to keep it running
L487[04:17:54] <Turtle> but that's a management going 'We paid you to make this stuff that went much faster b/c opensource but don't opensource it because we paid for it'
L488[04:18:01] <SoraFirestorm> Apple and Microsoft *need* to do this for an extent
L489[04:18:07] <SoraFirestorm> Otherwise people would rage
L490[04:18:43] <SoraFirestorm> I want to try a science experiment one of these days
L491[04:18:50] <Turtle> hm?
L492[04:18:56] <SoraFirestorm> I want to build a game engine
L493[04:19:07] <SoraFirestorm> something like say, the Doom engine
L494[04:19:17] <SoraFirestorm> Where people ask for licenses to the code
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L496[04:19:43] <SoraFirestorm> And license it under GPL to anyone that asks
L497[04:19:53] <Inari> Lizzy: yeah :p
L498[04:20:00] <Lizzy> wow, okay. my gmail spam folder has 157 items in it, usually it only has around 30
L499[04:20:09] <SoraFirestorm> I've had this idea in my head for quite a while that games need to be 'open source, closed data'
L500[04:20:22] <SoraFirestorm> Like how Doom and Quake are nowadays
L501[04:20:26] <Inari> if mail-spam was food we'd not have hunger in the world
L502[04:20:26] <EnderBot2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE
L503[04:20:38] <Lizzy> indeed
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L505[04:20:43] <Lizzy> also EnderBot2 you're late
L506[04:21:05] <SoraFirestorm> I think that would make games on Linux so much better
L507[04:21:25] <SoraFirestorm> Once companies realize the key that the only proprietary part should be the data
L508[04:21:38] <Inari> well
L509[04:21:39] <Inari> theres ue4
L510[04:22:29] <SoraFirestorm> Is UE4 GPL?
L511[04:23:56] <greaser|q> from what i gather no, it's not technically open source, just the source is actually usable
L512[04:24:02] <Turtle> tbh, games are not going to be mostly opensource
L513[04:24:23] <Turtle> if it's one thing the game industry has metric fucktons of it's manglement screwing over devs
L514[04:24:32] <greaser|q> but there's limitations on "commercial use", you need to fork out if you want to sell your game
L515[04:24:38] <SoraFirestorm> s/the game/any damn/
L516[04:24:38] <MichiBot> <Turtle> if it's one thing any damn industry has metric fucktons of it's manglement screwing over devs
L517[04:25:07] <Izaya> SoraFirestorm, I think id software's big advantage is that it's a fairly small operation
L518[04:25:15] <Turtle> physical goods is 'MOSTLY' slightly sane because it's really old
L519[04:25:32] <SoraFirestorm> Izaya: but id doesn't open-source engines until a while after the fact
L520[04:25:36] <Turtle> the problem is management coming from physical goods and applying physical goods logic to the software industry
L521[04:25:50] <Izaya> that
L522[04:25:54] <SoraFirestorm> We only got id Tech 4 (Doom 3) in 2011
L523[04:25:54] <Izaya> 's understandable though
L524[04:26:13] <SoraFirestorm> We still don't haev id Tech 5 (Rage) or id Tech 6 (Wolfenstein TNO)
L525[04:26:29] <Izaya> rage was ... 2012?
L526[04:26:38] <SoraFirestorm> s/haev/have/
L527[04:26:40] <MichiBot> <SoraFirestorm> We still don't have id Tech 5 (Rage) or id Tech 6 (Wolfenstein TNO)
L528[04:26:46] <SoraFirestorm> Don't remember
L529[04:26:54] <greaser|q> doom was 1994, source release was 1997 under a weird licence and 1999 under GPL
L530[04:27:05] <SoraFirestorm> Right
L531[04:27:24] <greaser|q> iirc wolf3d was 1992, source release under weird licence 1995, not sure when they got a proper GPL blessing
L532[04:27:37] <greaser|q> also not sure when quake was open-sourced
L533[04:27:50] <greaser|q> iirc there was a source code leak and someone ported it to linux
L534[04:28:06] <SoraFirestorm> dunno when exactly we got Tech 2 (Quake and Quake II) and Tech 3 (Q3A)
L535[04:28:07] <greaser|q> then the guys who did it got paid to make a real port OSLT
L536[04:28:22] <greaser|q> q3a engine's actually pretty cool
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L538[04:28:47] <Inari> SoraFirestorm: well its open source in that you can use the source and change it :P
L539[04:28:48] <Izaya> Source is based on the original Quake engine IIRC
L540[04:29:07] <SoraFirestorm> yes, Source is an id Tech 2 derrivative
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L542[04:29:16] <Saphire> ...
L543[04:29:18] <Saphire> So.
L544[04:29:21] <SoraFirestorm> unfortunately under proprietary licensing
L545[04:29:22] <greaser|q> Inari: open source has a proper definition, you have to be allowed to use it + modify it + redistribute it freely for whatever purpose
L546[04:29:37] <SoraFirestorm> Well
L547[04:29:39] <Inari> greaser|q: well thats kind of a crappy definition
L548[04:29:44] <SoraFirestorm> but the thing is
L549[04:29:51] <Saphire> All major game engines are made in some way by ID?
L550[04:29:54] <SoraFirestorm> is that, for example, MIT is considered 'Open Source'
L551[04:29:55] <greaser|q> Inari: no it isn't, it basically says "if you want to call your thing open source, you can't half-arse it"
L552[04:30:01] <greaser|q> http://opensource.org/osd IIRC
L553[04:30:03] <SoraFirestorm> greaser|q: yes you can
L554[04:30:16] <SoraFirestorm> MIT/BSD lets you take without giving
L555[04:30:32] <greaser|q> but it also lets you take and give
L556[04:30:34] <Saphire> And?
L557[04:31:02] <SoraFirestorm> greaser|q: but in practice, most companies do not give
L558[04:31:19] <SoraFirestorm> IE Microsoft has given back squat for taking BSD's TCP stack
L559[04:32:02] <greaser|q> jagex's version of ace of spades consists almost entirely of cross-platform open-source software libraries, the one exception being steamworks
L560[04:32:14] <greaser|q> but then again i think that was more of the case of the guy they hired being into that sort of shit
L561[04:32:14] <Inari> greaser|q: so what do i call it if the source is just open? :P
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L563[04:32:19] <greaser|q> Inari: source-available
L564[04:32:35] <g> greaser|q: I dunno if you know the guy behind cuwo and that other OSS old-ace-of-spades server?
L565[04:32:37] <SoraFirestorm> dunno exactly
L566[04:32:42] <greaser|q> possibly source-usable, source-sharable, depending on what you're allowed to do
L567[04:32:45] <g> He did a lot of work on the python (jagex) version of ace of spades
L568[04:32:55] <SoraFirestorm> TeamCoFH calls their version visible source
L569[04:32:58] <greaser|q> g: are you talking about mat^2 because if so then yes
L570[04:33:01] <g> yes
L571[04:33:15] <greaser|q> fun thing, jagex aos is based on the pyspades codebase
L572[04:33:18] <Inari> well traditionally-used open source would seem to mean source-available, but we're redefining stuff so eh
L573[04:33:24] <g> that doesn't surprise me
L574[04:33:25] <SoraFirestorm> no
L575[04:33:31] <g> o/ Inari
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L577[04:34:17] <Sandra> ... my computer is 100% broken.
L578[04:34:22] <g> Sandra: :(
L579[04:34:27] <Inari> Sandra: how does that work D:
L580[04:34:33] <Sandra> well not 100%.
L581[04:34:39] <Sandra> more like 90% broken.
L582[04:34:49] <Inari> how did you break it
L583[04:34:58] <greaser|q> except the term "open source" was conjured up as an alternative to RMS's "free software" and then explicitly defined from there
L584[04:35:13] <greaser|q> so from the get go, open-source has ALWAYS referred to stuff you can use, modify, and share
L585[04:35:15] <Sandra> the screen's smashed, the USB ports can't handle more than a wired mouse, the graphics driver keeps failing.....
L586[04:35:36] <Saphire> ...
L587[04:35:38] <Saphire> How
L588[04:35:46] <greaser|q> prior to the term "open source" you just had "free software" which *did* vary in its terminology
L589[04:35:48] <Inari> well its always kinda been the counter-part to closed source, semantically too
L590[04:36:14] <SoraFirestorm> "free software" only varied because people kept confusing the 'free' part
L591[04:36:15] <Sandra> Saphire, basically the screen got smashed and now the rest of the hardware in it is failing gradually.
L592[04:36:27] <SoraFirestorm> Because English people are stupid and aliased two different words to a single one
L593[04:36:28] <Inari> freeware \o/
L594[04:36:29] <greaser|q> closed source isn't an officially-coined term but it is used to denote software with no source code available
L595[04:36:33] <greaser|q> SoraFirestorm: pretty much
L596[04:36:42] <SoraFirestorm> There are two types of free
L597[04:36:50] <SoraFirestorm> libre as in freedom
L598[04:36:54] <SoraFirestorm> gratis as in no cost
L599[04:36:55] <Inari> greaser|q: exactly
L600[04:37:02] <Inari> hence the opposite is software with source code available ;)
L601[04:37:07] <greaser|q> the opposite of open source is proprietary, not closed source - e.g. the bulk of the source engine is not open-source, but it isn't closed-source either
L602[04:37:12] <greaser|q> yeah
L603[04:37:16] <Saphire> Sandra: laptop?
L604[04:37:27] <Inari> and the opposite of closed is open
L605[04:37:27] <Inari> so
L606[04:37:36] <greaser|q> although the most extreme case of "only just not closed source" is source-useless - see: MS-DOS 1.0 + 2.0 source code release
L607[04:37:40] <g> open source to me specifically is code with a license that allows you to use it
L608[04:37:46] <Inari> proprietary and closed-source tend to go together
L609[04:37:47] <g> eg a valid oss license
L610[04:37:49] <greaser|q> where they basically say "here's the source code but you're technically not allowed to use it"
L611[04:38:03] <g> so you can have "visible source" where you can get the source code bot not modify or distribute it
L612[04:38:07] <g> but*
L613[04:38:47] <greaser|q> closed-source implies proprietary, proprietary does not imply closed-source, e.g. king arthur's gold is proprietary but you can mod the gameplay w/ the angelscript files lying around
L614[04:38:58] <SoraFirestorm> uh
L615[04:39:03] <SoraFirestorm> that comparison does not work
L616[04:39:23] <greaser|q> if you do not have access to the source code, it is not open-source, therefore it is proprietary
L617[04:39:26] <Saphire> You have to pay to get them, no?
L618[04:39:47] <greaser|q> if you're legally required to pay to get them or use them then it's proprietary
L619[04:39:54] <SoraFirestorm> yes
L620[04:39:56] <greaser|q> if on the other hand you can pay but you don't have to, then it could be open-source
L621[04:40:03] <SoraFirestorm> could be
L622[04:40:10] <Saphire> ^
L623[04:40:26] <greaser|q> e.g. the sleep is death game or whatever it's called, you pay for two copies and it's the only way to get it from the website, but it's public domain with all source code
L624[04:40:35] <g> let's be honest, to 100% define everything and sort every situation into specific bins, you'd have to be a lawyer
L625[04:40:43] <g> outside of that people are going to disagree
L626[04:40:43] <greaser|q> and technically you can just grab a copy from someone else if you feel like being a stinge
L627[04:40:55] <Izaya> here's a fun idea:
L628[04:41:12] <Izaya> charge for binaries, release source
L629[04:41:17] <g> that's been done
L630[04:41:24] <greaser|q> e.g. x-chat?
L631[04:41:34] <g> with games too
L632[04:41:34] <greaser|q> in a nutshell, the "free software definition" is a lot simpler and tends to almost entirely overlap stuff that's OSI-approved
L633[04:41:37] <g> I forget which though
L634[04:41:52] <SoraFirestorm> not sure which games though
L635[04:41:58] <greaser|q> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html <-- 4 bullet points
L636[04:42:06] <Sandra> Sandra, yes, laptop.
L637[04:42:14] <SoraFirestorm> It's the case *now* with Doom, and Quakes 1 - 3
L638[04:42:16] <Sandra> specifically, a HP Stream 11.
L639[04:42:19] <greaser|q> there are a few exceptions but in a general rule, Free Software <=> Open Source
L640[04:42:20] <SoraFirestorm> But that was not the case at release
L641[04:42:28] <Sandra> Saphire, rather.
L642[04:42:44] <greaser|q> i think that's enough late night semantics arguing for me, gnight
L643[04:43:24] <SoraFirestorm> night
L644[04:43:30] <SoraFirestorm> oh ffs
L645[04:43:30] <Sandra> so many people who are pingable with names starting with Sa.
L646[04:43:47] <SoraFirestorm> I have been online 40 minutes after I said I would
L647[04:43:50] <Sandra> well 3, but they're all pinged a fair amount.
L648[04:43:59] <SoraFirestorm> THE BUILD IS STILL IN THE SAME PLACE DAMMIT
L649[04:44:02] <SoraFirestorm> BLAAAAAAAAARGH
L650[04:44:12] <Inari> SoraFirestorm: you're not on windows, rihgt? :P
L651[04:44:18] <SoraFirestorm> Hell no
L652[04:44:23] <SoraFirestorm> Fedora Linux
L653[04:44:28] <Sandra> ew.
L654[04:44:32] <Sandra> fedora.
L655[04:44:46] <SoraFirestorm> Redhat Master Race :P
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L657[04:49:36] <asie> greaser|q: oh, sleep is death
L658[04:49:38] <asie> i actually own a copy
L659[04:49:49] <SoraFirestorm> ohai asie
L660[04:50:49] <SoraFirestorm> hey, uh, could you do me a favor asie?
L661[04:50:54] <asie> ?
L662[04:51:09] <SoraFirestorm> would you mind making a fresh clone of the OpenComputers repo and building it?
L663[04:51:18] <asie> on an iPad?
L664[04:51:18] <SoraFirestorm> I'm having trouble doing so
L665[04:51:20] <asie> sorry, but no
L666[04:51:25] <asie> also it works fine it just takes 11 minutes
L667[04:51:30] <asie> due to very slow mavens
L668[04:51:31] <SoraFirestorm> *duh*, on an iPad :P
L669[04:51:38] <SoraFirestorm> asie: uhm
L670[04:51:41] <asie> yes
L671[04:51:43] <asie> it takes 11 minutes
L672[04:51:47] <SoraFirestorm> I had one try stop 1:23 in
L673[04:52:02] <SoraFirestorm> because it errored on not finding a file it wanted from the internet
L674[04:52:16] <SoraFirestorm> Another has been going since about 1:10 ago
L675[04:52:19] <SoraFirestorm> something is wrong here
L676[04:52:31] <SoraFirestorm> Maybe it's me
L677[04:52:32] <SoraFirestorm> but
L678[04:53:51] <SoraFirestorm> actually, just for sanity's sake
L679[04:54:18] <Kubuxu> SoraFirestorm: I've built from clean about 3 days ago.
L680[04:54:27] <SoraFirestorm> alright
L681[04:54:28] <Kubuxu> One of the repos that is used for deps is derpy.
L682[04:54:35] <SoraFirestorm> so definitely a local issue or something
L683[04:54:57] <Kubuxu> It took 20min for me but Vex's took hour and something.
L684[04:55:09] <SoraFirestorm> I've had two tries take over an hour
L685[04:55:25] <Kubuxu> it is matter of luck if that repo works, then when you cache it, it is ok.
L686[04:55:30] <SoraFirestorm> One failed from not finding a file it wanted
L687[04:55:40] <SoraFirestorm> The other I killed just now for a sanity test
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L692[05:47:41] zsh sets mode: +v on Kodos
L693[05:47:56] <Kodos> Anyone know of a clientsided mod that will show chunk borders that isn't NEI?
L694[05:47:59] <Kodos> 1.7.10
L695[05:48:33] <Sandra> Kodos, why not NEI?
L696[05:48:48] <Kodos> Because it crashes with a mod I'm playing with on a server
L697[05:49:07] <Sandra> ...
L698[05:49:10] <Sandra> what mod.
L699[05:49:14] <Kodos> RSMC
L700[05:49:23] <Sandra> ?
L701[05:49:34] <Kodos> RSMC, it's a Runescape in Minecraft mod
L702[05:49:44] <Sandra> ah right.
L703[05:49:55] <Sandra> why on earth would it crash with NEI?
L704[05:50:02] <Sandra> log?
L705[05:50:20] <Kodos> Meh I'll get it later, it's still early and I am still half asleep
L706[05:50:26] <Kodos> But I was on trying to get my towny town set up
L707[05:50:34] <Kodos> ANd I realized I couldn't see chunk borders easily
L708[05:51:08] <Sandra> I mean, a simple enough way is to press f3, and divide the position by 16.
L709[05:51:19] <Sandra> (plus i think it shows chunk coords as well.)
L710[05:51:41] <Kodos> Ah, neat
L711[05:51:44] <Kodos> Didn't think of that
L712[05:51:57] <Kodos> Now I just gotta learn regex again for this other mod I got =D
L713[05:52:18] <Kodos> http://www.curse.com/mc-mods/minecraft/231453-chatflow
L714[05:58:30] * vifino grunts
L715[05:58:40] * vifino grabs Lizzy, snuggles and kisses her
L716[05:59:25] * Lizzy snuggles and kisses vifino back
L717[05:59:50] <Sandra> anyone know how to clear a page file?
L718[06:00:00] <Kodos> Use an eraser file
L719[06:00:02] <Kodos> =D
L720[06:00:12] <Sandra> I have 2GB of paging in use when nothings happening at all.
L721[06:01:25] <Sandra> such that I'm getting a bunch of java.lang.OutOfMemoryError.
L722[06:02:19] * vifino stretches and curls up on Lizzy
L723[06:08:03] <Inari> i wish we could debug the human body :P see all system states, run a small step forward, etc
L724[06:08:20] * Lizzy pets vifino
L725[06:08:48] * vifino purrs
L726[06:09:10] <Inari> vazkii makes th ebest mods :P
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L731[06:19:41] <Sandra> and there goes my graphics driver.
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L737[06:27:23] <Sandra> i think if I disable about half of the plugins for intellij it'll probably use less ram?
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L740[06:28:57] <Sandra> well it's now at 300MB ram as opposed to 400MB ram.
L741[06:31:02] <MajGenRelativity> Just download more RAM
L742[06:31:24] <MajGenRelativity> If you install 32 bit Windows 10 twice, you will get 64 bit Windows 20
L743[06:32:09] <Kodos> Holy shit that was hilarious, MGR. I have totally never heard that joke before. You are quite the comedian.
L744[06:32:17] <Kodos> /s
L745[06:32:29] <MajGenRelativity> Thank you Kodos
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L750[06:35:40] <MajGenRelativity> I am glad that you can appreciate my glorious humor
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L752[06:51:09] <Techokami> https://github.com/Microsoft/ChakraCore oh hey Microsoft released their new Javascript engine from Edge/Universal Windows under the MIT license (no Linux port yet, it's on their todo list after they finish Node.js contribution stuff)
L753[06:51:48] <MajGenRelativity> Fancy
L754[06:52:19] <Techokami> PRs made to the repo will make it into Win10 as well
L755[06:52:53] <Mimiru> "[02:48:29] <Shuudoushi> seems it, but she'll get those messages when she's up" Jokes on you, I didn't see shit buddy.
L756[06:52:54] <Mimiru> :P
L757[06:53:24] <MajGenRelativity> ?
L758[06:59:40] * Lizzy offers Mimiru some of the bacon she cooked earlier
L759[06:59:54] <Mimiru> woot
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L761[07:00:06] <Mimiru> I had ot hit oclogs to see what Shuudoushi was going on about
L762[07:00:33] * Lizzy needs to learn how ot cook so she can make herself bacon sandwhiches whenever she wants
L763[07:00:35] <MajGenRelativity> I made sausages this morning
L764[07:00:57] * MajGenRelativity hears crickets
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L767[07:07:54] <SoraFirestorm> Lizzy: bacon isn't /that/ hard is it?
L768[07:08:14] <SoraFirestorm> It's a pan and you fry it.
L769[07:08:20] <SoraFirestorm> Done deal
L770[07:08:29] <SoraFirestorm> :P
L771[07:08:47] <MajGenRelativity> Or flash freeze it with liquid nitrogen and then hit it with a mallet
L772[07:09:01] <SoraFirestorm> I kinda doubt that makes bacon
L773[07:09:04] <MajGenRelativity> Bite sized bacon pieces
L774[07:09:08] <MajGenRelativity> It does
L775[07:09:09] <SoraFirestorm> s/kinda/seriously/
L776[07:09:11] <MichiBot> <SoraFirestorm> I seriously doubt that makes bacon
L777[07:09:28] <MajGenRelativity> Flash freezing anything is the best way to make it into food
L778[07:09:40] <MajGenRelativity> Like bananas, bacon, other things
L779[07:09:47] <SoraFirestorm> Don't you fail to, ya know, COOK it?
L780[07:10:03] <MajGenRelativity> Yeah, but I am pretty sure you kill the pathogens from the cold
L781[07:10:20] <MajGenRelativity> MoSt proteins denature at that temp
L782[07:10:24] <SoraFirestorm> hm touch screen is not working :(
L783[07:10:36] <MajGenRelativity> Also, the cold would freeze the cells
L784[07:10:49] <MajGenRelativity> Which should cause them to rupture
L785[07:11:14] <MajGenRelativity> Hence flash freezing with liquid nitrogen is the best way to cook
L786[07:11:24] <SoraFirestorm> You don't cook
L787[07:11:27] <SoraFirestorm> By definition
L788[07:11:33] <MajGenRelativity> True
L789[07:11:40] <MajGenRelativity> Best way to prepare food
L790[07:12:08] <MajGenRelativity> Plus, nitrogen is cheap these days
L791[07:12:28] <MajGenRelativity> Now, liquid helium is hard to get
L792[07:12:53] <SoraFirestorm> bleh
L793[07:12:58] <SoraFirestorm> still no touchscreen
L794[07:13:03] <SoraFirestorm> that means I can't draw :(
L795[07:13:31] * MajGenRelativity gives a blank look
L796[07:13:51] <MajGenRelativity> I must go, my people need me
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L798[07:14:02] <SoraFirestorm> lol
L799[07:14:11] <Kodos> I feel sorry for his people
L800[07:14:15] <SoraFirestorm> XD
L801[07:14:27] <SoraFirestorm> That's pretty mean there, Kodos
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L803[07:15:31] <SoraFirestorm> So, letting the OC build run for the third damn time
L804[07:15:40] <Lizzy> hmm, need to find a good way to import modules dynamically in python
L805[07:15:42] <SoraFirestorm> This last one finally died at 1:13 btw
L806[07:18:33] <Kodos> Speaking of dying
L807[07:18:36] <Kodos> Alan Rickman =(
L808[07:18:58] <SoraFirestorm> what it is with people and dying in the last few days
L809[07:19:02] <SoraFirestorm> cmon people!
L810[07:19:03] <Kodos> Cancer sucks
L811[07:19:51] <SoraFirestorm> and now I finally know who that is
L812[07:20:01] <SoraFirestorm> And now that image of Snape on Imgur makes sense
L813[07:21:10] <SoraFirestorm> and yes, cancer does suck
L814[07:21:13] <SoraFirestorm> speaking of
L815[07:21:19] <SoraFirestorm> I missed AGDQ D:
L816[07:21:34] <SoraFirestorm> If I'd have realized it was running, I so would have watched
L817[07:21:44] <SoraFirestorm> I'll catch SGDQ though
L818[07:23:38] <SoraFirestorm> There's a small part of me that wants to write a mod in Clojure
L819[07:23:44] <SoraFirestorm> for some Lisp experience
L820[07:27:39] <Turtle> I am going to have to hack together my own task scheduler if I want the processes to be able to do IPC shenanigans without loads of os-dependant settings that break on migration, right?
L821[07:27:57] <SoraFirestorm> context?
L822[07:28:20] <Turtle> tiny bots that need to run once a day
L823[07:28:36] <SoraFirestorm> Is this OpenComputers?
L824[07:28:40] <Turtle> but might be better off doing some IPC magic rather than maintaining 500 connections to microsoft exchange and such
L825[07:28:44] <Turtle> no, irl
L826[07:28:47] <Turtle> i.e. winderp and linux
L827[07:28:47] <SoraFirestorm> no it is not :P
L828[07:29:32] <SoraFirestorm> dunno what kind of IPC you ned
L829[07:29:45] <SoraFirestorm> But sockets are fairly portable across both
L830[07:30:08] <SoraFirestorm> s/ned/need/
L831[07:30:09] <MichiBot> <SoraFirestorm> dunno what kind of IPC you need
L832[07:30:21] <Turtle> A pipe to pump data over :p
L833[07:30:28] <Turtle> but, sockets can work
L834[07:30:47] <SoraFirestorm> Given the constraint to having to support Faildows
L835[07:30:54] <SoraFirestorm> Sockets are probably best bet
L836[07:31:00] <Turtle> I was considering having the timing/scheduling daemon just spam it as a child process and doing the ipc routing itself, but that's hacky
L837[07:31:06] <SoraFirestorm> For more context, language?
L838[07:31:16] <Turtle> Not yet decided, some of the bots are in java
L839[07:31:41] <SoraFirestorm> Just a warn that the raw C between the two is slightly different
L840[07:31:51] <SoraFirestorm> Anything other than C will likely hide the difference
L841[07:33:01] <Turtle> yeah, but I just need something I can dump arbitrary data over, things like calendar-appointments
L842[07:33:18] <SoraFirestorm> sounds like a good job for Python
L843[07:33:36] <SoraFirestorm> Mostly because Python's socket stuff is in the stdlib
L844[07:34:43] <Turtle> yeah, python could work, I just need something that can spam out child processes or new processes with socket magic, and run relatively stable 24/7
L845[07:34:43] <EnderBot2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE
L846[07:34:59] <SoraFirestorm> Enderbot was fast on that one
L847[07:35:13] <Turtle> :p
L848[07:35:18] <Lizzy> yeah, not sure why it wasn't last time
L849[07:35:49] <SoraFirestorm> Turtle: Context: It was super slow on a hit a couple hours ago
L850[07:35:52] <Turtle> ah
L851[07:36:29] <Turtle> but yeah, I need to do shit like, poke ms exchange bot to grab schedule appointments, or start it and poke once started
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L853[07:38:59] <Kodos> I cannot believe Snape is dead =(
L854[07:39:14] <Turtle> Did you, did you not know yet?
L855[07:39:34] <Kodos> Found out about 10 mins ago
L856[07:40:01] <Turtle> How did you not find out when the books got released or later when the movies got released
L857[07:40:10] <Turtle> That scene was everywhere
L858[07:40:21] <SoraFirestorm> lol
L859[07:40:33] <SoraFirestorm> Turtle: assuming that was a joke
L860[07:40:46] <Kodos> Turtle: Alan Rickman died
L861[07:40:58] <Kodos> I'm well aware Snape dies in HP canon
L862[07:41:37] <Turtle> ... yeaaaaah, it wasn't a joke about the canon, noticed you mention him by name earlier and started looking at his works
L863[07:41:45] <Turtle> *and thought you started
L864[07:41:56] <Turtle> also *work
L865[07:42:02] <MajGenRelativity> HP?
L866[07:42:05] <MajGenRelativity> Hewlett Packard?
L867[07:42:18] <SoraFirestorm> Harry Potter
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L869[07:43:00] <MajGenRelativity> I figured
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L871[07:43:09] * XP01 waves
L872[07:43:14] <MajGenRelativity> Hello XP01
L873[07:43:14] <Turtle> o/
L874[07:43:25] * XP01 is afk
L875[07:43:39] <Mimiru> https://i.imgur.com/T08e4Kd.gifv
L876[07:44:04] <Turtle> ... oh christ I am going to have to make my calendar appointment serializable
L877[07:44:08] <Turtle> MICROSOOOOOFT
L878[07:44:44] <MajGenRelativity> Mimiru, well
L879[07:44:46] <Turtle> (Context: The default ms exchange calendar appointment object (in java ews) does server queries on literally everything instead of pulling the data once)
L880[07:44:46] <MajGenRelativity> Ok
L881[07:45:06] <SoraFirestorm> Dat Microsoft quality tho
L882[07:45:31] <Turtle> I fucking love that ews lib
L883[07:45:34] <Turtle> it just WORKS
L884[07:46:02] <Turtle> and does the whole thing, I can request email, look at notes, the calendars copied into my mailbox
L885[07:47:43] <Turtle> (Yet I still need a bot to 'manually' copy over appointments because reasons)
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L887[07:51:50] * MajGenRelativity increases volume of Darude Sandstorm
L888[07:51:58] <MajGenRelativity> We need more Sandstormmmmmmm
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L892[07:52:26] <SoraFirestorm> so I learned that GCC has a Java front end
L893[07:52:28] <DasandState> ohhhhh nuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
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L895[07:52:43] <SoraFirestorm> And this frontend can compile to native code
L896[07:53:15] <vifino> SoraFirestorm: Yes, gcj.
L897[07:53:15] <Turtle> neat
L898[07:53:22] <vifino> Java 1.5! Have fun.
L899[07:53:35] <SoraFirestorm> Wonder how much faster Minecraft would be :P
L900[07:53:49] <vifino> Not much.
L901[07:53:56] <SoraFirestorm> :(
L902[07:54:15] <vifino> Hotspot is pretty good.
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L904[07:54:39] <malcom2073_> Java isn't slow, programmers are slow :P
L905[07:54:57] <Daiyousei> i wouldnt call java superfast either
L906[07:55:07] <malcom2073_> Well, no... but it's not inherently slow is my point
L907[07:55:11] <Daiyousei> true
L908[07:55:32] <malcom2073_> There's little other than raw computation (or string comparison
L909[07:55:42] <malcom2073_> that you can say "this code runs slower in java"
L910[07:55:56] <malcom2073_> The latter not really being true anymore
L911[07:55:59] <Skye> Should we panic? https://twitter.com/DanTwoHundred/status/687633654365958144?s=09
L912[07:56:33] <Turtle> probably not
L913[07:57:14] <SoraFirestorm> this is why we need framebuffer support in OC
L914[07:57:24] <SoraFirestorm> dan200 is winning the arms race :P
L915[07:57:26] <Turtle> What you should panic about is my shitcode once I cba to figure out how to update my dev env to 1.8.9 and what power system 1.8.9 mods use
L916[07:57:56] <DarudeState> I need to burn Darude Sandstorm to a Computronics tape
L917[07:58:34] <DarudeState> run awayyyyyyyy
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L919[07:58:52] <Turtle> Did sky rendering/worldnbt change between 1.7 and 1.8
L920[07:59:23] <Turtle> if not I should just be able to copy-paste the dimension code and just rewrite the OC components into probably rackmounted controllers
L921[08:03:19] *** Cranium[Away] is now known as Cranium
L922[08:06:37] <Turtle> from the component interface thingy, you can send not-computer-event messages to the other components, right?
L923[08:07:33] <Sandra> yes iirc.
L924[08:07:49] <Sandra> maybe.
L925[08:08:02] <Kodos> computer.pushSignal
L926[08:08:05] <Kodos> I think is what you'r talkikng about
L927[08:08:34] <Sandra> Kodos, java side I think.
L928[08:08:37] <MajGenRelativity> I'm playing Darude Sandstorm twice
L929[08:08:49] <Sandra> but yeah, signals don't have to be picked up by a computer.
L930[08:09:01] <Sandra> any component can listen to them.
L931[08:09:07] <Sandra> maybe.
L932[08:09:14] <Sandra> or do you need a Machine.....
L933[08:09:20] <Sandra> i can't remember.]
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L935[08:10:27] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L936[08:13:14] <SoraFirestorm> wow
L937[08:13:23] <SoraFirestorm> It's only been 6 years since Sun died
L938[08:13:29] <SoraFirestorm> felt like ages ago
L939[08:14:25] <Turtle> err, I ment like, not being detectable by computers :p
L940[08:14:33] <MajGenRelativity> The Sun died 6 years ago?
L941[08:14:36] <SoraFirestorm> Two laptops ago had a Java old enough to be a Sun Java
L942[08:14:39] <Turtle> as in, from the component java side
L943[08:14:47] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity proclaims end of the world
L944[08:14:50] <MajGenRelativity> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
L945[08:14:58] <SoraFirestorm> Sun Microsystems
L946[08:15:05] <MajGenRelativity> ?
L947[08:15:15] <SoraFirestorm> The company that created Java, amongst other things
L948[08:15:21] <MajGenRelativity> Yeah, I know
L949[08:15:25] <MajGenRelativity> Oracle bought them, right?
L950[08:15:29] <Inari> SoraFirestorm: you're still up, or up again?
L951[08:15:39] <SoraFirestorm> Inari: still up
L952[08:15:43] <Inari> wow :p
L953[08:15:46] <SoraFirestorm> I'm gunna just cycle
L954[08:15:56] <MajGenRelativity> Enter the Darude State
L955[08:15:57] <Inari> cycling is good for you
L956[08:16:06] <SoraFirestorm> that or fall asleep at 9 until 5
L957[08:16:07] <MajGenRelativity> My heart rate right now is so high, I have infinite energy
L958[08:16:21] <Lizzy> na
L959[08:16:23] <MajGenRelativity> I also expect a heart attack if I keep this up too long
L960[08:16:26] <SoraFirestorm> Still on my third friggin try of building OpenComputers
L961[08:16:29] <Lizzy> good
L962[08:16:29] <Turtle> just checked: Yep
L963[08:16:34] <Turtle> you can do the message thing
L964[08:16:47] <Inari> do the message thing!
L965[08:17:02] <Turtle> might split spaceship controls into sever rack thingies since those are the hype lately, and then a dumb component that takes the message to actually do things
L966[08:17:33] <MajGenRelativity> OC computers should explode if you mess a program up
L967[08:17:42] <Lizzy> no
L968[08:17:44] <Inari> no
L969[08:17:49] <SoraFirestorm> this is not GregTech
L970[08:17:49] <Mimiru> no
L971[08:17:51] <Inari> well they do
L972[08:17:51] <SoraFirestorm> thank you
L973[08:17:54] <Inari> if you install a SD card
L974[08:17:57] <Inari> and accidentally call it
L975[08:17:57] <Inari> :p
L976[08:18:01] <MajGenRelativity> ?
L977[08:18:03] <Turtle> ... what?
L978[08:18:06] <Turtle> Who goofed SD cards
L979[08:18:08] <MajGenRelativity> The no's came so fast ?
L980[08:18:17] <Inari> Turtle: ?
L981[08:18:26] <Mimiru> SD Cards from Computronics, SD.. SelfDestruct
L982[08:18:27] <Lizzy> self destruct cards
L983[08:18:32] <Inari> :P
L984[08:18:32] <Turtle> ...
L985[08:18:39] <Turtle> GRR ACRONYM REUSE
L986[08:18:41] <Aedda> I'll see your nose and raise it with a hell no
L987[08:18:58] <Vexatos> Mimiru, SSDs are way cooler
L988[08:19:00] <MajGenRelativity> I'll see your hell no and lower it to a yes
L989[08:19:11] <Turtle> Secure digital explosive card device :p
L990[08:19:16] <Sandra> config option: any error that normally bsods explodes the computer.
L991[08:19:17] <Sandra> yes.
L992[08:19:19] <Sandra> please.
L993[08:19:30] <Kodos> Not enough en- BOOM
L994[08:19:35] <SoraFirestorm> Option? Sure. For all the GregTech fanatics.
L995[08:19:50] <MajGenRelativity> Sandra, I agree
L996[08:19:52] <Kodos> Anyone who's a GT fanatic isn't right in the head
L997[08:19:57] <Turtle> sooo
L998[08:19:57] <SoraFirestorm> ^
L999[08:19:58] <Aedda> it makes no sense, who would build a computer with C4 as a component?
L1000[08:19:59] <MajGenRelativity> Snagar, can you put that in?
L1001[08:20:05] <Turtle> spam drone, have it fly to hostile base, crash
L1002[08:20:05] <EnderBot2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE
L1003[08:20:06] <MajGenRelativity> I WOULD
L1004[08:20:06] <Turtle> boom.
L1005[08:20:08] <SoraFirestorm> Snagar haha
L1006[08:20:13] <Turtle> Snagar, ha
L1007[08:20:33] <Kodos> I wonder if Kethtar pings him
L1008[08:20:42] <MajGenRelativity> why would it?
L1009[08:20:43] <Mimiru> Aedda, you mean you don't have C4 in your computer right now?
L1010[08:20:48] <Mimiru> I keep some just in case...
L1011[08:21:02] <MajGenRelativity> I am an experienced C4 demolitionist
L1012[08:21:05] <Turtle> I mean C4 would be the sane option for computer self-destruction
L1013[08:21:09] <Lizzy> Mimiru, why did you steal my C4?
L1014[08:21:11] <Lizzy> :<
L1015[08:21:13] <MajGenRelativity> Turtle, just use a nuke
L1016[08:21:19] <Kodos> I should edit the base OS files to trigger the SD card when someone other than me tries to access a file
L1017[08:21:21] <Mimiru> Lizzy, I didn't this was mine!
L1018[08:21:32] <Lizzy> Then who has mine....
L1019[08:21:32] <MajGenRelativity> Kodos, decent idea
L1020[08:21:35] <MajGenRelativity> I'll borrow that
L1021[08:21:40] <SoraFirestorm> still trying to build OC
L1022[08:21:44] <SoraFirestorm> This is not fun
L1023[08:21:46] <MajGenRelativity> Thanks for impriving TACEATS Kodos!
L1024[08:22:02] <Mimiru> Bleeeeeeh I don't WANNNA go to work today
L1025[08:22:19] <MajGenRelativity> Nor do I, but I must
L1026[08:22:19] <SoraFirestorm> Mimiru: then don't? :P
L1027[08:22:21] <Kodos> Mimiru: FWIW, my mom's job involves having 3 bosses, all 3 of which are younger than me, her youngest son
L1028[08:22:22] <Aedda> Mimiru: I've found it ineffective, thermite on the other hand...
L1029[08:22:23] <Inari> say god old you you shouldnt in your dreams
L1030[08:22:37] <MajGenRelativity> thermite is not an explosive
L1031[08:22:39] <Kodos> Inari, are you on drugs
L1032[08:22:43] <MajGenRelativity> perhaps you mean thermate
L1033[08:22:47] <Inari> Kodos: no?
L1034[08:22:57] <Kodos> "say god old you you shouldn't in your dreams"
L1035[08:23:02] <Kodos> What is this I don't even
L1036[08:23:04] <Mimiru> Atleast this week I'll get 2 days off, and not just one.
L1037[08:23:08] <Inari> s/old/told
L1038[08:23:08] <MichiBot> <Kodos> "say god told you you shouldn't in your dreams"
L1039[08:23:16] <Kodos> Ohh that makes more sense
L1040[08:23:20] <SoraFirestorm> indeed
L1041[08:23:20] <Inari> lol
L1042[08:23:22] <Mimiru> But I get to spend tomorrow at the dentist office...
L1043[08:23:26] <Lizzy> s/o/0
L1044[08:23:26] <MichiBot> <Mimiru> But I get t0 spend tomorrow at the dentist office...
L1045[08:23:27] <SoraFirestorm> D:
L1046[08:23:33] <Kodos> s/o/0/g
L1047[08:23:34] <MichiBot> <Mimiru> But I get t0 spend t0m0rr0w at the dentist 0ffice...
L1048[08:23:42] <Kodos> s/i/1/g
L1049[08:23:42] <MichiBot> <Mimiru> But I get t0 spend t0m0rr0w at the dent1st 0ff1ce...
L1050[08:23:45] <Inari> s/s/5/g
L1051[08:23:45] <MichiBot> <Mimiru> But I get t0 5pend t0m0rr0w at the dent15t 0ff1ce...
L1052[08:23:48] <Mimiru> ._.
L1053[08:23:55] <MajGenRelativity> that got out of control
L1054[08:23:55] <Kodos> s/e/3/g
L1055[08:23:55] <MichiBot> <MajG3nR3lativity> that got out of control
L1056[08:24:00] <Kodos> Damnit MGR
L1057[08:24:04] <Kodos> You ruined it
L1058[08:24:07] <MajGenRelativity> lol
L1059[08:24:07] <Inari> kickban
L1060[08:24:11] <MajGenRelativity> hey
L1061[08:24:14] <MajGenRelativity> ┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)
L1062[08:24:14] <Mimiru> But I get t0 5pend t0m0rr0w at the dent15t 0ff1ce...
L1063[08:24:18] <Kodos> I can't kick corded sadly
L1064[08:24:18] <Mimiru> :P
L1065[08:24:25] <Inari> you can
L1066[08:24:29] <Kodos> I could, yes
L1067[08:24:30] <Turtle> Mimiru, you goofed
L1068[08:24:31] <MajGenRelativity> pls nu kick me
L1069[08:24:32] <Mimiru> Aww, and I even pasted it so people could keep going.
L1070[08:24:42] * Lizzy hmms
L1071[08:24:47] <Kodos> Too busy scolding MGR
L1072[08:25:00] <Kodos> And wondering what the next rackmountable will be
L1073[08:25:03] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity is too busy watching Kodos scolding him
L1074[08:25:03] * Inari removes Lizzy's ballgag
L1075[08:25:06] <Inari> what were you trying to say?
L1076[08:25:12] <Mimiru> Kinky
L1077[08:25:12] <Lizzy> -_-
L1078[08:25:18] <SoraFirestorm> But I get t0 5pend t0m0rr0w at the dent15t 0ff1ce...
L1079[08:25:20] <SoraFirestorm> s/t/7/
L1080[08:25:23] <SoraFirestorm> there
L1081[08:25:23] <MichiBot> <SoraFirestorm> Bu7 I get t0 5pend t0m0rr0w at the dent15t 0ff1ce...
L1082[08:25:24] <Lizzy> Mimiru, quit spying on my private times
L1083[08:25:25] <Inari> hey not my fault vifino and Lizzy do that
L1084[08:25:30] <SoraFirestorm> kept it going Mimiru :P
L1085[08:25:38] <Turtle> Kodos: vOv are there different sizes of racks?
L1086[08:25:39] <Mimiru> Lizzy, I'm not spyin on shit...
L1087[08:25:44] <Kodos> Turtle, not yet
L1088[08:25:48] <SoraFirestorm> I failed to /g
L1089[08:25:48] <Inari> Mimiru: scat play? ew
L1090[08:25:49] <Kodos> But you can technically cheat
L1091[08:25:49] <SoraFirestorm> dammit
L1092[08:25:56] <Turtle> 'yet' SNAGAR PLS
L1093[08:26:03] * Mimiru bans Inari
L1094[08:26:06] <Elizabeth> oh cool, so i can kick/ban on here
L1095[08:26:06] <Inari> D:
L1096[08:26:07] <Kodos> Turtle: Set two racks adjacent to each other, and set them both to the other's side
L1097[08:26:12] <MajGenRelativity> pls nu
L1098[08:26:19] <Elizabeth> lemme test
L1099[08:26:21] <Kodos> So, two racks stacked vertically, set top's components to bottom, and bottom's to top
L1100[08:26:32] <Turtle> yeah but I ment like
L1101[08:26:35] <Turtle> 1u racks
L1102[08:26:38] <Kodos> Then you have a server blade and 7 racks of components
L1103[08:26:41] <Elizabeth> k, so that worked
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L1105[08:26:54] <MajGenRelativity> why Lizzy?
L1106[08:26:56] <MajGenRelativity> why?
L1107[08:26:56] <Mimiru> lol... did you kick MGR?
L1108[08:26:58] <Elizabeth> maj, use the link in ht etopic
L1109[08:26:59] <Mimiru> haa
L1110[08:27:09] <Lizzy> MajGenRelativity, for science, you monster
L1111[08:27:13] <SoraFirestorm> I have to ask
L1112[08:27:17] <SoraFirestorm> What's with 'Corded'?
L1113[08:27:22] <Kodos> Discord to IRC bot
L1114[08:27:28] <Mimiru> Corded is the Discord to IRC bridge
L1115[08:27:31] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity glares
L1116[08:27:34] ⇦ Quits: MajGenRelativity (~MajGenRel@c-73-186-66-242.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) (Client Quit)
L1117[08:27:35] <Inari> Discord-IRC brdige
L1118[08:27:40] <Inari> "to" implies a direction
L1119[08:27:41] <Inari> :<
L1120[08:27:42] <vifino> Inari: Hey, that was useful! For.. uhm, testing. Yes, testing. Science.
L1121[08:27:50] <Inari> lol
L1122[08:27:55] <Lizzy> brb, pasty time
L1123[08:28:08] <Kodos> I want a venison pasty
L1124[08:28:10] <Inari> pasty time?
L1125[08:28:25] <Turtle> I want one of those light bar rack thingies as a spaceship radar
L1126[08:28:38] * Inari jams Turtle's radar
L1127[08:28:42] <Turtle> but a full block rack would obscure too much
L1128[08:28:47] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity unjams Turtle's radar
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L1130[08:28:57] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity uses TACEATS radar to find Inari
L1131[08:29:09] <Mimiru> http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lh3vh9QR7v1qzpzfmo1_500.jpg
L1132[08:29:16] <Inari> mgr didnt get the reference naturally
L1133[08:29:23] <MajGenRelativity> well
L1134[08:29:25] <Inari> mimiru did
L1135[08:29:25] <Turtle> Did mojang unshit the dimension cap yet?
L1136[08:29:27] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity runs away
L1137[08:29:37] <Mimiru> <3 Spaceballs
L1138[08:29:37] <Mimiru> :P
L1139[08:29:41] <Inari> :3 ikr
L1140[08:29:44] <Turtle> If not, did forge, if not, how much can I hack?
L1141[08:29:48] <SoraFirestorm> SPACEBALLS!
L1142[08:29:58] <SoraFirestorm> "I'm surrounded by Assholes!"
L1143[08:30:03] <Inari> hm meh
L1144[08:30:07] <Inari> i need a better way to pump lava
L1145[08:30:19] <Inari> or maybe just to transport the pumpe lava from A to B
L1146[08:30:20] <Turtle> hundreds of drones trying to not burn?
L1147[08:30:36] <Inari> i made a railcraft track replacing the pipes
L1148[08:30:38] <Turtle> usually a big fat pipeline would do :p
L1149[08:30:40] <Inari> seems that was ab ad idea
L1150[08:30:53] <Inari> the pipes were too slow
L1151[08:30:54] <Inari> :<
L1152[08:31:21] <Mimiru> Oh.. found out OpenSecurity got included in a 60k dowload modpack on curse \o/
L1153[08:31:23] <Inari> guess i need to change up the track and run 4 trains
L1154[08:31:31] <Mimiru> Which is why my downloads spiked
L1155[08:31:33] <SoraFirestorm> yay Mimiru
L1156[08:31:49] <SoraFirestorm> Curse packs charge downloads back into individual mods?
L1157[08:31:57] <SoraFirestorm> TIL
L1158[08:32:00] <Mimiru> Yep, so I get moar points cause of it
L1159[08:32:02] *** Jared|Away is now known as Jared
L1160[08:32:05] <Inari> thats kinda cool
L1161[08:32:10] <Mimiru> I'm up to 10.69 points a day now
L1162[08:32:18] <Turtle> what do you do with cursepoints anyway
L1163[08:32:24] <Inari> eat them
L1164[08:32:26] <Sandra> you buy gift cards.
L1165[08:32:28] <SoraFirestorm> nom nom!
L1166[08:32:28] <Mimiru> Me? I buy Amazon gift cards
L1167[08:32:34] <Turtle> ... neat
L1168[08:32:36] <Inari> how many points is how much
L1169[08:32:37] <Sandra> I buy steam gift cards myself.
L1170[08:32:38] <Mimiru> 200 points gets me $10 amazon
L1171[08:32:42] <Sandra> yeah.
L1172[08:32:47] <Inari> Mimiru: see
L1173[08:32:50] <Inari> soon you wont h ave to work
L1174[08:32:59] <Mimiru> lol, I wish... :P
L1175[08:33:12] <Inari> so
L1176[08:33:21] <Sandra> I got included in the kinda popular pack Galactic Science.
L1177[08:33:27] <Inari> i can make money by using a botnet to download my crapmod 24/7?
L1178[08:33:30] <Sandra> so I got a large spike.
L1179[08:33:34] <Mimiru> If I could get big like some of these modders, patreon would pay well :P
L1180[08:33:36] <Turtle> grr dimensions still hardcapped to 253 ohwell, minecraft FTL is go for not-launch
L1181[08:33:41] * Inari downloads Sandra
L1182[08:33:53] <Inari> Mimiru: you probably could
L1183[08:33:59] <Mimiru> I'm in Space Astronomy
L1184[08:34:06] <Sandra> Inari, you can, but that gets you expelled from the rewards program, plus you're viable to be sued.
L1185[08:34:14] <SoraFirestorm> I'm in no packs whatsoever!
L1186[08:34:19] <Inari> Sandra: if they can prove i did it
L1187[08:34:20] <Mimiru> Anyway, gotta head to work
L1188[08:34:24] <Turtle> SoraFirestorm appeal to more little kids /s
L1189[08:34:32] <SoraFirestorm> Bye Mimiru
L1190[08:34:34] <Inari> make a pewdiepie mod
L1191[08:34:37] <SkySom> Literally op mod
L1192[08:34:45] <SkySom> You have to find a way to be DE
L1193[08:34:49] <SoraFirestorm> I had an idea for a mod once
L1194[08:34:53] <Inari> DE?
L1195[08:34:55] <SoraFirestorm> But Java was waaaay too hard
L1196[08:35:03] <SoraFirestorm> Draconic Evolution probably
L1197[08:35:06] <Inari> i have mod ideas
L1198[08:35:08] <Inari> but im way too lazy
L1199[08:35:18] <Turtle> I'm still slightly featurecreeping a intranet app
L1200[08:35:21] <SoraFirestorm> The remnants are still on my Github
L1201[08:35:22] * Vexatos sugoi the pokes
L1202[08:35:34] <Turtle> which for some godawful reason was intended to be shit, hence written in java, ended up not being shit
L1203[08:35:37] <Inari> and im bored
L1204[08:35:40] <Turtle> and now I need to find a tomcat server
L1205[08:35:45] <MajGenRelativity> Inari
L1206[08:35:47] <MajGenRelativity> Tesseracts
L1207[08:35:58] <MajGenRelativity> Tesseracts can move fluids
L1208[08:36:00] <MajGenRelativity> Infinite amounts
L1209[08:36:01] <SoraFirestorm> I wanted to build an Omniwrench
L1210[08:36:06] <SoraFirestorm> Ala Ratchet and Clank
L1211[08:36:09] <Inari> got not tesseracts :P
L1212[08:36:10] <SoraFirestorm> That would have been the shit
L1213[08:36:13] <Inari> and i dislike teleportation anyway
L1214[08:36:25] <MajGenRelativity> Inari, use super laminar fluiducts
L1215[08:36:37] <Inari> got not fluiducts
L1216[08:36:38] <MajGenRelativity> They can also transfer infinite amounts of fluid
L1217[08:36:42] <MajGenRelativity> wat
L1218[08:36:46] <MajGenRelativity> Ender fluid conduits
L1219[08:36:51] <Inari> meh
L1220[08:36:51] <MajGenRelativity> They can move 800 mB/t
L1221[08:36:53] <Inari> i dislike those
L1222[08:36:57] <MajGenRelativity> what the hell
L1223[08:36:58] <Turtle> ... an infinite contstantly moving train of fluid carts?
L1224[08:37:07] <Inari> and im not gonna craft a few stacsk of them
L1225[08:37:15] <Turtle> autocrafting
L1226[08:37:16] <Inari> Turtle: lmao
L1227[08:37:18] <Inari> thats a gret idea
L1228[08:37:20] <Inari> *great
L1229[08:37:31] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity glares at Inari
L1230[08:37:39] <Turtle> https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--RQ1aCXOJ--/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_north,h_358,q_80,w_636/1388765276268492873.gif
L1231[08:37:42] <Inari> well go tnot autocraft yet, too lazy to program it and its a surprisingly complex problem :P and dont really wanna set up AE or the like until i have a base
L1232[08:37:42] <Turtle> ^ That
L1233[08:37:46] <Inari> but to build my base i need to move this lava
L1234[08:37:48] <Sandra> SoraFirestorm, I would be so happy to see an omniwrench.
L1235[08:37:56] <Sandra> I think I've seen mods with that before though.
L1236[08:37:59] <MajGenRelativity> Inari, why do you need to move lava for your base?
L1237[08:38:07] * XP01 is no longer afk
L1238[08:38:12] <Inari> cause i decided to build it in a volcano :<
L1239[08:38:16] <SoraFirestorm> There was a mod or two waaaay back in the Beta 1.x era
L1240[08:38:26] <Turtle> Planning on winning the powerball?
L1241[08:38:27] <MajGenRelativity> Inari, ?
L1242[08:38:34] <MajGenRelativity> powerball is already won
L1243[08:38:35] <Sandra> also I love how in #AppliedEnergistics, there's someone who's trying to argue against the mojang eula at this point in time.
L1244[08:38:37] <MajGenRelativity> by 3 people
L1245[08:38:42] <Inari> but i thouhgt i'd dig down below the still active part
L1246[08:38:45] <Inari> and build my bse there
L1247[08:38:48] * XP01 won the powerball
L1248[08:38:48] <Inari> but hen if ound out it goes down to bedrock
L1249[08:38:53] <Inari> so i have to movel ike a millionlavablocks
L1250[08:38:54] <Inari> :D
L1251[08:39:03] <Turtle> MajGen yeah was going to make a 'ONE BILLION DOLLARS' evil mastermind joke
L1252[08:39:14] <Inari> Sandra: at which point in time should they argue about it?
L1253[08:39:15] * XP01 thinks Inari should use tesseracts
L1254[08:39:24] <MajGenRelativity> XP01, already tried the good ideas
L1255[08:39:28] <Inari> well theres no TE :P
L1256[08:39:30] * XP01 is depressed
L1257[08:39:38] <MajGenRelativity> why do you not have TE?
L1258[08:39:40] <Sandra> Inari, maybe like a year or two ago?
L1259[08:39:45] <Inari> cause TE is meh
L1260[08:39:45] <Turtle> wait what does rftools 1.8.9 use
L1261[08:39:45] <Sandra> when it came out?
L1262[08:39:57] <MajGenRelativity> TE is not meh
L1263[08:40:00] <MajGenRelativity> TE is good
L1264[08:40:06] <Inari> TE is one of the worst techmods
L1265[08:40:16] <SoraFirestorm> why?
L1266[08:40:16] <MajGenRelativity> what?!
L1267[08:40:18] *** amadornes[OFF] is now known as amadornes
L1268[08:40:19] <Inari> granted EIO is pretty terrible too
L1269[08:40:20] * XP01 is shocked
L1270[08:40:25] <MajGenRelativity> Ok what
L1271[08:40:25] <Sandra> Turtle, an RF api?
L1272[08:40:32] <MajGenRelativity> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
L1273[08:40:32] <Turtle> did that update?
L1274[08:40:34] <Inari> looking forward to charset
L1275[08:40:36] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity throws hands in air
L1276[08:40:40] <Turtle> I thought all of CoFH was going 'nope' on 1.i
L1277[08:40:43] <Turtle> *1.8
L1278[08:40:48] <SoraFirestorm> Inari: what is 'good' then?
L1279[08:40:49] * XP01 is amazed at Inari
L1280[08:40:53] <MajGenRelativity> Idk
L1281[08:40:55] <Inari> SoraFirestorm: none really
L1282[08:40:55] <Kodos> RFTools isn't TeamCoFH
L1283[08:41:00] <Turtle> RF is
L1284[08:41:05] <Inari> rotarycraft is okay-ish but lacks a ton of polish
L1285[08:41:05] <MajGenRelativity> WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTT
L1286[08:41:10] <Kodos> IIRC there's an unofficial port
L1287[08:41:12] <MajGenRelativity> are you a Magic mod person, Inari?
L1288[08:41:12] <Kodos> That RFT uses
L1289[08:41:18] * XP01 uses tech all day
L1290[08:41:24] <Kodos> Thaumcraft 5's Golem Press is fun
L1291[08:41:24] <Inari> MGR: no, i just dislike tech mods that remove all gameplay
L1292[08:41:35] <MajGenRelativity> :\
L1293[08:41:37] <MajGenRelativity> :/
L1294[08:41:40] <MajGenRelativity> ?
L1295[08:41:44] <MajGenRelativity> ?
L1296[08:41:56] * XP01 is :(
L1297[08:41:56] <Inari> like railcraft and BC pipes are way better than TE/EIO stuff
L1298[08:42:02] <Inari> simply because thers more to actually do wiht them
L1299[08:42:02] * XP01 disagrees
L1300[08:42:03] <Inari> :P
L1301[08:42:07] <MajGenRelativity> I second XP01
L1302[08:42:23] <MajGenRelativity> TD fluiducts are so much faster
L1303[08:42:25] <Turtle> I don't really like RC/BC for moving things because it takes up so much space
L1304[08:42:32] <Inari> MGR: and so much more boring
L1305[08:42:33] <Turtle> ducts are simply so compact
L1306[08:42:34] * XP01 agrees with turtle
L1307[08:42:36] <SoraFirestorm> We only moved to tech mods that 'remove gameplay' because server people were all 'muh tps'
L1308[08:42:44] * XP01 agrees wtih Turtle even more
L1309[08:42:52] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity also agrees with Turtle
L1310[08:42:58] <Sandra> MUH TPS!
L1311[08:42:59] <Turtle> SoraFirestorm to be fair like 50% of mods were shitcoded
L1312[08:43:04] <Inari> Turtle: you have i nfinte space
L1313[08:43:07] <Inari> so not liek space is an issue
L1314[08:43:10] <SoraFirestorm> that's the other part
L1315[08:43:18] <Turtle> Inari: but my ugly shack
L1316[08:43:21] <MajGenRelativity> I have to cram all my automation into a 3x3 chunk space
L1317[08:43:26] <MajGenRelativity> Space is a luxury
L1318[08:43:30] <Inari> lol
L1319[08:43:30] <Kodos> If you want your builds to not look oversized and like shit, some level of compactness is needed
L1320[08:43:41] <Turtle> and, I liked traincraft but it is kill now iirc
L1321[08:43:41] <MajGenRelativity> I actually agree with Kodos for once
L1322[08:43:51] <Inari> Kodos: nah, well mabe in a way
L1323[08:43:54] <Turtle> and spending 5km on minecarts is just weird
L1324[08:43:55] <Sandra> fun fact: OAReborn is trying to be written with the minimum amount of TEs.
L1325[08:43:57] <Inari> but not in the way EIO does it
L1326[08:44:05] * XP01 thinks EIO 2.3 looks cool
L1327[08:44:08] <Inari> hence why BC has gates for example
L1328[08:44:11] <Inari> that can replace an engine
L1329[08:44:11] <MajGenRelativity> XP01, you da man
L1330[08:44:27] * XP01 runs away
L1331[08:44:28] <Turtle> oh ya bc got much better over time
L1332[08:44:34] <MajGenRelativity> It did
L1333[08:44:34] <Turtle> but it's still... verbose I guess.
L1334[08:44:35] <Sandra> charset master race
L1335[08:44:36] <Inari> i mostly just dislike that EIO and TE automate so much that is much nicer if it isnt fully premade for you
L1336[08:44:46] <MajGenRelativity> but, automation is good
L1337[08:44:49] <Inari> Sandra: waiting for that to be more complete XD
L1338[08:44:56] <MajGenRelativity> I don't get 1.4 million copper ingots without automating all the things
L1339[08:44:59] <Sandra> if you want compact builds.... Charset is not the mod for you
L1340[08:45:00] <Inari> MGR: automation made by myself is good, its fun to make, takes some time to get right, etc
L1341[08:45:11] <Inari> MGR: automation given to me by the mod is bad, its boring, does nothing for me and is meh
L1342[08:45:49] <MajGenRelativity> Inari, I made the automation myself
L1343[08:45:52] <MajGenRelativity> and then it does stuff
L1344[08:45:53] <Inari> see: RP2 frame quarry vs BC quarry / both automated, but with RP2 I have lots of fun designing and building and optimizing the thing
L1345[08:46:01] <Inari> with BC its like "lol heres a quarryinabox"
L1346[08:46:02] <Turtle> but... the ÜBERFURNACEMACERATORQUARRY 9000
L1347[08:46:12] <MajGenRelativity> I use ExU ender quarry
L1348[08:46:16] <MajGenRelativity> It is so fast
L1349[08:46:24] <MajGenRelativity> I just shove 100k RF/t at it
L1350[08:46:31] <Inari> MGR: my main concern usually isnt speed but how interesting it is to use and operate :P
L1351[08:46:31] <Sandra> ender quarry......
L1352[08:46:33] <Sandra> eurgh.
L1353[08:46:48] <Kodos> I should make a mod that's just one block, that randomly puts any registered metal ingot in its inventory every 10 seconds or so
L1354[08:46:55] <Sandra> I love the BC quarry a lot.
L1355[08:46:59] <Kodos> No one would bitch about any other mod ever again
L1356[08:47:05] <Inari> i dislike it xD
L1357[08:47:05] <Kodos> It wouldn't even need power, it just sits there making metal
L1358[08:47:13] <SoraFirestorm> yes they would
L1359[08:47:19] <Inari> Kodos: well theres the dirt-to-diamond-mod? :p
L1360[08:47:19] <Sandra> Kodos, make it take 1RF/t just for the lols.
L1361[08:47:22] ⇦ Quits: XP01 (~xp01@ov9.bisecthosting.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
L1362[08:47:32] <Kodos> Sandra, no because I'm not fucking with CoFH's api
L1363[08:47:36] <Inari> Kodos: make it require 1 RF stored power
L1364[08:47:37] <SoraFirestorm> s/No one would/Everyone would still/
L1365[08:47:40] <MichiBot> <Kodos> Everyone would still bitch about any other mod ever again
L1366[08:47:41] <Inari> but it never uses up that power
L1367[08:47:45] <Sandra> hH.
L1368[08:47:49] <Kodos> it'll just be a block that checks for adjacent inventories, and fill them with metal
L1369[08:47:50] <Sandra> hah.
L1370[08:47:57] <Turtle> talking about op, would mining from orbit be op?
L1371[08:48:09] <Inari> just like
L1372[08:48:11] <Inari> blow up the planet ok
L1373[08:48:16] <Turtle> i.e. point laser at chunk, chunk goes boom to bedrock, at reduced efficiency, i.e. 60% of blocks are kill
L1374[08:48:29] <Turtle> Inari: ya but I can't blow up the overworld without every other mod and forge bitching
L1375[08:48:30] <Kodos> Only if the laser renders while you're on the surface
L1376[08:48:50] <Kodos> And the blocks actually visually float up before disappearing
L1377[08:49:02] <Turtle> the former I can do, the latter if someone can be arsed to help me with my shitcode
L1378[08:49:03] <Inari> MGR: basically, i like having to deal with the complexity of automating things, EIO and TE remove a lot of that
L1379[08:49:22] <Inari> hence why i also plan to use OC for crafting stuff
L1380[08:49:25] <Inari> instead of aE2
L1381[08:49:26] <MajGenRelativity> Turtle, mining from orbit is the best
L1382[08:49:33] <MajGenRelativity> Inari, I don't use AE2 for crafting
L1383[08:49:38] <Turtle> Like, I got magic space rotation working but rip my ability to implement multiblocks
L1384[08:49:40] <Sandra> MFR lasers on a space station is fun!
L1385[08:49:42] <MajGenRelativity> Too many channels
L1386[08:49:46] <Turtle> Sandra: ahaha yes
L1387[08:49:48] <MajGenRelativity> Inari, I use EIO crafters
L1388[08:49:56] <Inari> "too many channels"?
L1389[08:50:01] <Turtle> but I was thinking like, spaceships, fly to planet, find some material, harvest from orbit
L1390[08:50:15] <Turtle> or perhaps asteroid belts / gas clouds / whatever
L1391[08:50:25] <MajGenRelativity> Turtle, not sure but Matter Overdrive might do that
L1392[08:50:30] <Sandra> I plan to write a program for OC that's more OP than AE2.
L1393[08:50:34] <MajGenRelativity> Inari, yes, too many channels
L1394[08:50:37] <Sandra> so that'll be fun.
L1395[08:50:52] <Sandra> it's definitely possible, I just don't have the time to write the program.
L1396[08:50:55] <Turtle> MajGen: MO doesn't even do that much besides replication
L1397[08:51:18] <Turtle> But I want to implement some kind of FTL-like spaceship shenanigans in MC, I just don't have enough dimension slots to do it properly :p
L1398[08:51:25] <Turtle> (Grr forge fixpls)
L1399[08:52:11] <Sandra> how many dim slots are there?
L1400[08:52:13] <MajGenRelativity> Turtle, I'll ask Simeon
L1401[08:52:16] <MajGenRelativity> He's my bro
L1402[08:52:21] <Inari> MGR: meaning what? i tuses too many? too many to deal with? it has too many for your tastes?
L1403[08:52:31] <Turtle> 256 in total iirc
L1404[08:52:33] <Turtle> 0-255
L1405[08:52:38] <Turtle> because legacy packets
L1406[08:52:41] <Turtle> do have to go now tho
L1407[08:52:42] <SoraFirestorm> uhhhh
L1408[08:52:47] <SoraFirestorm> -1?
L1409[08:52:52] <SoraFirestorm> Nether?
L1410[08:53:00] <Turtle> ... -128 to 127
L1411[08:53:05] <Sandra> yeah. there's negative stuff.
L1412[08:53:08] ⇦ Quits: Turtle (~SentientT@145.37.53.179) (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)
L1413[08:53:09] <Sandra> oh goodness.
L1414[08:53:25] <MajGenRelativity> Inari, it uses too many for me to deal with effectively
L1415[08:53:32] <Kodos> Okay, so I need assistance
L1416[08:53:33] <SoraFirestorm> I'm very cold D:
L1417[08:53:33] <MajGenRelativity> It's all about the cable space
L1418[08:53:47] <Kodos> I need pictures of designs for what a rock jutting out of hte ground would look like that you could mine at
L1419[08:53:49] <Kodos> 3 blocks high
L1420[08:53:54] <Kodos> No more than 5 blocks wide
L1421[08:55:07] <SoraFirestorm> aaaaaaand fail again
L1422[08:55:10] <SoraFirestorm> 1:14 in
L1423[08:55:24] <SoraFirestorm> It's over stupid Project Red bs
L1424[08:55:40] <Inari> MGR: thats its complexity, yeah
L1425[08:56:30] <Inari> MGR: given your odd plans i keep hearing about, i'd wager you want easy streamlined gameplay so you can make big oversized creations, where as my concern is more in intricate detailed gameplay .p
L1426[08:57:30] <Vexatos> <Kodos> Anyone who's a GT fanatic isn't right in the head
L1427[08:57:40] <Vexatos> When GT's installed, Computronics adds a tape
L1428[08:57:48] <SoraFirestorm> and?
L1429[08:57:49] <Vexatos> made of tungstensteel and chromium dioxide reels
L1430[08:57:52] <MajGenRelativity> Inari, they aren't odd plans
L1431[08:57:53] <SoraFirestorm> ick
L1432[08:58:04] <Vexatos> (I asked greg to add Chromium Dioxide to his mod just for this one item :D)
L1433[08:58:19] <Vexatos> it's virtually indestructible and you get an achievement if you get to destroy it anyway
L1434[08:58:26] <MajGenRelativity> well
L1435[08:59:15] <Vexatos> <Kodos> I should edit the base OS files to trigger the SD card when someone other than me tries to access a file
L1436[08:59:17] <Vexatos> make it a game
L1437[08:59:23] <Vexatos> you have 5 minutes to complete this task
L1438[08:59:25] <Vexatos> otherwise boom
L1439[08:59:26] <Vexatos> :>
L1440[09:02:24] *** ^^vvr is now known as ^v
L1441[09:04:53] <Magik6k> HOLY SHIT IT WORKS
L1442[09:05:02] <Magik6k> https://assets.magik6k.net/screenshoots/1452783890.png
L1443[09:05:20] <SoraFirestorm> is it an emu?
L1444[09:05:32] <Magik6k> Yup, it terminal
L1445[09:05:44] <SoraFirestorm> nice
L1446[09:05:47] <Magik6k> Actually I'm porting OC to RaspberryPi
L1447[09:06:08] <Magik6k> s/it/in
L1448[09:06:08] <MichiBot> <Magik6k> Yup, in terminal
L1449[09:06:09] <Vexatos> this would be a legit reason for me to buy an rpi
L1450[09:06:14] <Vexatos> :P
L1451[09:06:26] <SoraFirestorm> I have one
L1452[09:06:35] <SoraFirestorm> Wanted to write an OS for it
L1453[09:06:39] <SoraFirestorm> Never got there :(
L1454[09:06:51] <Vexatos> Magik6k, Entity for rpi? :P
L1455[09:07:02] <Magik6k> heh
L1456[09:07:12] <Magik6k> Vexatos, port chatbox to it :D
L1457[09:07:15] ⇨ Joins: Turtle (~SentientT@145.37.53.179)
L1458[09:07:48] <Turtle> blargh time to rework bookingbot
L1459[09:07:57] <Vexatos> Magik6k, could do it over network messages
L1460[09:08:01] <Magik6k> I'm still thinking how to handle native plugins
L1461[09:08:06] <Magik6k> True
L1462[09:08:12] <Vexatos> tty or something
L1463[09:08:31] <Vexatos> Magik6k, to port OC... You'd pretty much just need to make the native libs work, no?
L1464[09:08:41] <Vexatos> i.e. standard Lua + all the nonstandard things OC adds
L1465[09:08:48] <MajGenRelativity> **
L1466[09:08:49] <Vexatos> like the computer and the internet API
L1467[09:09:10] <Magik6k> Vexatos, for now it's statically linked binary that will run as /bin/init
L1468[09:09:17] <Magik6k> on tiny linux kernel
L1469[09:09:27] <Magik6k> with 90% of features turned off
L1470[09:09:37] <Magik6k> with no initramfs
L1471[09:09:53] <S3> BLARGH
L1472[09:10:04] <MajGenRelativity> eyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy it's S3!
L1473[09:10:07] <S3> I apparently have no idea what my password is to log into the FCC
L1474[09:10:17] <malcom2073_> You can log into the FCC?
L1475[09:10:27] <MajGenRelativity> Bro
L1476[09:10:34] <S3> and I tried to reset it, and they're like, sorry, we can't do that at this time, call us :(
L1477[09:10:35] <MajGenRelativity> What is your password?
L1478[09:10:39] <S3> I don't feel like calling
L1479[09:10:40] <MajGenRelativity> I wanna log into the FCC
L1480[09:10:49] <malcom2073_> Is this about that drone registration stuff?
L1481[09:10:52] <SoraFirestorm> Probably hunter2
L1482[09:10:53] <S3> No.
L1483[09:10:54] <Vexatos> Magik6k, if you get the internet API to work you can get Entity through TTY, I guess... using internet.open :P
L1484[09:10:58] <MajGenRelativity> My attitude towards the FCC has changed lately
L1485[09:11:08] <S3> I have a liscense to operate radio equipment
L1486[09:11:10] <SoraFirestorm> Did that show as the *s for you S3?
L1487[09:11:23] <MajGenRelativity> Now I hope they can stand up agains the legions of lawyers Comcast and Verizon are gathering from all four corners of the Earth
L1488[09:11:23] <S3> SoraFirestorm, wut?
L1489[09:11:28] <malcom2073_> Ah cool. A couple of local hamheads keep bothering me to get my license and start talkign to them
L1490[09:11:34] <MajGenRelativity> The stage is set for an epic showdown for the future of Net Neutrality
L1491[09:11:36] <MajGenRelativity> in the US
L1492[09:11:37] <S3> malcom2073_, do it
L1493[09:11:43] <S3> I'm trying to get my license redelivered
L1494[09:11:47] <S3> because I have no idea where it is
L1495[09:11:56] <MajGenRelativity> S3, it is in your head
L1496[09:11:59] <malcom2073_> S3: I can't afford the equipment heh
L1497[09:12:00] <S3> and the class I am taking this semester requires a ham radio license, and I already have one
L1498[09:12:03] <S3> however
L1499[09:12:12] <S3> I guess I can just have them look me up on the fcc website
L1500[09:12:17] <Magik6k> Vexatos, maybe, but for now I have to figure out how to push async events from stdin
L1501[09:12:24] <Vexatos> hmmm
L1502[09:12:30] <S3> Magik6k, NON BLOCKING IO?!
L1503[09:12:31] <MajGenRelativity> I have 3 darude sandstorms playing at 150% speed and another song playing
L1504[09:12:32] <S3> on OPC?
L1505[09:12:34] <S3> OC*
L1506[09:12:38] <SoraFirestorm> S3: it's a joke, Google for 'hunter2'
L1507[09:12:39] <Magik6k> Or actually I don't have to
L1508[09:12:42] <S3> lol
L1509[09:12:51] <Vexatos> Magik6k, you mean events? events are all inside OpenOS, no?
L1510[09:12:53] <Lizzy> "<Inari> like railcraft and BC pipes are way better than TE/EIO stuff" I like combining Railcraft with LP, transfer between networks is slow because of trains but it's dooable
L1511[09:13:03] <Lizzy> (still reading backlog, hold on)
L1512[09:13:05] * Vexatos pokes Lizzy with a railcraft
L1513[09:13:07] <Magik6k> on computer.pullSignal I can subscribe to some epoll ot C side
L1514[09:13:07] <MajGenRelativity> LP?
L1515[09:13:12] <MajGenRelativity> what does LP stand for?
L1516[09:13:16] <SoraFirestorm> Logistics Pipes
L1517[09:13:17] <Vexatos> Magik6k, I guess
L1518[09:13:22] <MajGenRelativity> ah
L1519[09:13:49] *** mrkirby153 is now known as kirby|gone
L1520[09:13:59] <MajGenRelativity> I am the Universe
L1521[09:14:10] <Inari> Lizzy: that works ^^
L1522[09:14:18] <Inari> Lizzy: you can do the same wihtout LP though :;D
L1523[09:14:33] <S3> Magik6k, figured out how people will be able to log onto the ocranet with atm btw
L1524[09:14:40] <S3> at least through me
L1525[09:14:44] <Magik6k> heh
L1526[09:14:58] <S3> they put a lua script on their OC box that connects them to my BBS
L1527[09:15:08] <S3> and it enters the ATM switch option after logging in :)
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L1529[09:15:43] <S3> itl work even if I move themenu numbers around because if you hit 0 itl always pull up the operator computer program friendly menu index
L1530[09:16:32] <S3> All I need to do is set up UNI and some basic ATM switching and bam.
L1531[09:16:37] <S3> we got ocranet up
L1532[09:16:45] <S3> then I can get working on PNNI
L1533[09:17:38] <Vexatos> and then me, spoofing card, mweehehehee
L1534[09:17:40] <Vexatos> etc
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L1536[09:17:50] <S3> Vexatos, ?
L1537[09:18:02] <MajGenRelativity> ocranet?
L1538[09:18:27] <S3> a private Internet for Minecraft, cross server
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L1540[09:18:36] <Lizzy> Inari, but i like LP
L1541[09:18:37] <MajGenRelativity> S3, interesting
L1542[09:18:46] * XP01 waves
L1543[09:18:46] <Lizzy> Vexatos, yes?
L1544[09:18:51] <MajGenRelativity> Welcome XP01
L1545[09:18:57] * XP01 waves
L1546[09:20:17] <S3> yeah it is simular to SONET
L1547[09:20:23] <S3> and powered by ATM and STM
L1548[09:20:50] <S3> but there will be no STM at first. STM comes later, which will up our bandwidth from 1KB/s to about 160 - 180 KB/s
L1549[09:21:01] <MajGenRelativity> I don't know what any of those 3 acronyms mean XD
L1550[09:21:18] <MajGenRelativity> However, I am interested in joining the network at a later date
L1551[09:21:24] <S3> ATM is Asynchronous Transfer Mode, and STM is Synchronous Transfer Mode
L1552[09:21:36] <S3> you sit ATM on top of STM usually
L1553[09:21:46] <S3> sounds ironic, but it really increases bandwidth
L1554[09:22:28] <S3> because it multiplexes (with interlacing, not packing, so that you can read ATM packets in streams without waiting for them to start)
L1555[09:22:37] <MajGenRelativity> ah
L1556[09:22:37] <S3> and we get 8KB of MTU in OC
L1557[09:22:43] <MajGenRelativity> MTU?
L1558[09:22:49] <S3> Maximum Transmission Unit
L1559[09:22:54] <MajGenRelativity> which is?
L1560[09:22:56] <S3> it is the largest packet you can send without changing config
L1561[09:23:02] <MajGenRelativity> ahhhhhh
L1562[09:23:18] <S3> you see, part of our speed limitation is the speed of the Relay block
L1563[09:23:28] <MajGenRelativity> put upgrades in it
L1564[09:23:35] <S3> by default it is like what 20 packets per second or something. Yes you can upgrade it
L1565[09:23:43] <S3> but I do my math on defaults
L1566[09:23:47] <MajGenRelativity> Ah
L1567[09:23:57] <MajGenRelativity> I have infinity resources in most things
L1568[09:24:15] <MajGenRelativity> except for yellorium, iridium, and a few other supermaterials
L1569[09:24:19] <S3> also you may want to keep in mind
L1570[09:24:33] <S3> that if you are upgrading your relays
L1571[09:24:41] <S3> and your ISP does not have a fast system
L1572[09:24:51] <S3> they will force your input to the speed as everyone elses for STM trunks
L1573[09:24:56] <Kodos> wat
L1574[09:25:00] <MajGenRelativity> my server has a 1 GB/s link
L1575[09:25:01] <S3> because with STM everyone's packets transmit at the same speed
L1576[09:25:24] <S3> except some will have delays but
L1577[09:25:24] <MajGenRelativity> wait, let me check that
L1578[09:25:56] *** Jared is now known as Jared|Away
L1579[09:26:02] <S3> you have a server? by the way Maj, we are interested in looking for people to become ocranet lavel 1 ISPs
L1580[09:26:18] <S3> level 1 is the top of the honchos.
L1581[09:26:50] <S3> you'll be able to pick massive collections of telephone routing subnets from our pool
L1582[09:27:07] <S3> s/telephone/ISDN
L1583[09:27:07] <MichiBot> <S3> you'll be able to pick massive collections of ISDN routing subnets from our pool
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L1585[09:27:44] <MajGenRelativity> S3, I rent a server, yes
L1586[09:27:53] <S3> Where is it located?
L1587[09:27:57] <MajGenRelativity> Montreal
L1588[09:28:16] <S3> Great! if you're interested, that's one place we've been looking to get to
L1589[09:28:24] <S3> mine is in france
L1590[09:28:29] <MajGenRelativity> What would be involved?
L1591[09:28:35] <S3> we basically want people to connect to the ocranet from their closest box
L1592[09:28:42] <S3> so
L1593[09:28:45] <malcom2073_> A private internet for minecraft, like inside minecraft? That sounds pretty cool
L1594[09:29:22] <MajGenRelativity> S3, it pretty much comes down to this
L1595[09:29:28] <MajGenRelativity> How much is it going to impact my TPS
L1596[09:30:14] <S3> you can run lower level tiers on Minecraft with open computers, but the top level tiers have to expose a connectable listening socket, and OC can't do that. Therefore, I am releasing an open source Perl script that acts as an ATM switch that you will be able to secure. I runn run mine directly in my BBS. itl likely have no dependencies at all. However, you will need a wrapper if you don't want it in a bbs or in inetd, which I don't remmmend inetd for it
L1597[09:30:29] <S3> so I can give you one of those to throw it in
L1598[09:30:43] <S3> maj:L It's just data traffic
L1599[09:30:47] <S3> ATM is very fast
L1600[09:30:54] <S3> contrast it to ethernet
L1601[09:31:07] <S3> with ethernet, every time you get a packet, you have to decide where it needs to go
L1602[09:31:23] <MajGenRelativity> S3 m8
L1603[09:31:25] <S3> by looking at the data and unpacking it, there is cut t hrough bvut you're still looking at it, then you look in a table, etc
L1604[09:31:33] <MajGenRelativity> I do have work to do, but next week I should be less busy
L1605[09:31:40] <S3> cool
L1606[09:32:02] <MajGenRelativity> You can explain this whole thing to me then, and then I can decide whether or not I become ISP XD
L1607[09:32:09] <S3> heh
L1608[09:32:33] <S3> if you don't you can always be a lower level tier which requires no permission or additional installation, it's just not as awesome :D
L1609[09:32:45] <S3> or you can just not and be an end user
L1610[09:33:26] <malcom2073_> S3: ATM sounds damn similar to EtherCAT heh
L1611[09:33:35] <MajGenRelativity> People these days with their fancy OC stuff
L1612[09:33:40] <MajGenRelativity> I just want Skynet
L1613[09:34:29] <Lizzy> Inari, https://www.theender.net/shx/ONENOTE_2016-01-14_15-33-31.png current potential modlist for my server when i get round to starting it back up aga (after i've fixed my main pc so probably next weekend at the earliest)
L1614[09:34:31] <S3> malcom2073_, what does
L1615[09:34:40] <malcom2073_> S3: Async Transfer Mode
L1616[09:34:52] <S3> asynchronous transfer mode is a circuit switched network
L1617[09:34:54] <Kodos> Lizzy: OpenSecurity
L1618[09:35:09] <S3> the routing is a LOT faster
L1619[09:35:13] <Lizzy> Kodos, yep, was in my mind just not on the notes :P
L1620[09:35:15] <Skye> @MajGenRelativity, well, maybe I should make my own networking thing and call it Skye Net. :P
L1621[09:35:26] <MajGenRelativity> Skye, no
L1622[09:35:32] <Lizzy> Skye, yes
L1623[09:35:33] <S3> malcom2073_, while ethernet is packet switched
L1624[09:35:34] <MajGenRelativity> I meant Skynet the Terminator computer
L1625[09:35:38] <malcom2073_> Yeah I was reading the spec
L1626[09:35:42] <Kodos> Also if you're doing HarvestCraft, and it's going to be survival, I'd recommend HO and SoL
L1627[09:35:53] <Kodos> And/or Agricraft
L1628[09:36:03] <Lizzy> Kodos, i do not know those acronyms
L1629[09:36:08] <Kodos> Hunger Overhaul and Spice of Life
L1630[09:36:12] <Lizzy> ah
L1631[09:36:47] <S3> malcom2073_, imagine you make a connection somewhere, and it creates all of the routing for you ahead of time, tells you the connection is ready, and BAM, now every time you send a packet down it, it flows down a pipe like water to the other end, no routing at all.
L1632[09:36:58] <S3> less time wasted
L1633[09:37:36] <Lizzy> Kodos, added those to the list
L1634[09:38:01] <malcom2073_> Yeah, sounds like it has similar intentions to EtherCAT, except with pre-defined soft routing, instead of hardware routing
L1635[09:38:10] <malcom2073_> Pretty cool concept
L1636[09:38:23] <Inari> no decocraft?
L1637[09:38:29] <S3> malcom2073_, yeah, it uses VPIs and VCIs
L1638[09:38:36] <Inari> armourer's workshop?
L1639[09:38:41] <S3> Virtual Path Identifiers and Virtual Circuit Identifiers
L1640[09:38:45] <Lizzy> Inari, i can't do mods i don't know about :P lemme go look at those
L1641[09:39:10] <Inari> garden stuff? :p
L1642[09:39:14] <S3> malcom2073_, if you have ADSL, you use ATM as well, but you use Physical switching instead of virtual switching
L1643[09:39:20] <Inari> applemilktea2? ;-;
L1644[09:39:24] <malcom2073_> Yeah heh
L1645[09:39:26] <S3> so you go in your confit and assign a vci and vpi
L1646[09:39:34] <Kodos> Also, are you moving away from IE?
L1647[09:39:50] <S3> but with this it's virtual switching with UNI, NNI, etc so you send a cell and it gives you a vpi and vci to connect to the other computer
L1648[09:40:43] <S3> a big difference is that you're asking your ISP to connect to the other machine, not the other machine. but the other machine can deny it
L1649[09:41:24] <MajGenRelativity> I am all the ISP's
L1650[09:41:28] <MajGenRelativity> not actually, haven't decided
L1651[09:41:33] <S3> lol
L1652[09:41:34] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity nukes every ocranet ISP
L1653[09:41:35] <malcom2073_> Lol
L1654[09:41:40] <MajGenRelativity> I AM THE LAST ONE STANDING!
L1655[09:41:46] <MajGenRelativity> BOW BEFORE ME, THE MASTER OF OCRANET
L1656[09:41:57] <Kodos> Don't make me slap the shit out of you
L1657[09:42:17] <S3> if you did that then I would just remove the line that tells my switch to listen to your PNNI links
L1658[09:42:22] <S3> :P
L1659[09:42:33] <MajGenRelativity> Kodos, enough
L1660[09:42:40] <MajGenRelativity> I don't know why you hate me, but it is annoying
L1661[09:42:49] <MajGenRelativity> Please stop
L1662[09:43:00] <S3> ok
L1663[09:43:04] <MajGenRelativity> S3, well
L1664[09:43:05] <S3> someone should get on SC2
L1665[09:43:06] <MajGenRelativity> Ok
L1666[09:43:13] <MajGenRelativity> what is SC2?
L1667[09:43:18] <S3> Starcraft 2
L1668[09:43:33] <MajGenRelativity> ah
L1669[09:43:35] <MajGenRelativity> Don't own it
L1670[09:44:13] <Kodos> I hate you because you're an annoying twat who doesn't understand the concept of knowing when to shut up
L1671[09:44:20] <Kodos> There, now you know
L1672[09:44:48] <S3> and Cruor only plays 1v1
L1673[09:44:55] <Cruor> 1v1 me fgt
L1674[09:44:59] <S3> LOL
L1675[09:45:02] <Cruor> please no
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L1677[09:45:10] <S3> Cruor, problem
L1678[09:45:14] <S3> ZvZ is no fun!
L1679[09:45:17] <MajGenRelativity> Kodos, I do know when to shut up
L1680[09:45:19] <Cruor> oh god
L1681[09:45:27] <S3> it's like a muta rush all the way to the top every time
L1682[09:45:28] <Cruor> ZvZ still cancer in LotV?
L1683[09:45:39] <S3> I don't have any expansions
L1684[09:45:45] <Cruor> oh
L1685[09:45:54] <S3> I get upgraded automatically anyways
L1686[09:45:55] <Cruor> then its the muta rush >_<
L1687[09:46:05] <S3> when I play with people who have it
L1688[09:46:17] <S3> Since I don't play campaign why bother
L1689[09:46:21] <S3> though I may get hots..
L1690[09:46:29] <S3> did they ruin zerg in lotv?
L1691[09:46:34] <Cruor> no idea
L1692[09:46:39] <Cruor> i havent played it
L1693[09:46:47] <Cruor> eons since i played SC :p
L1694[09:46:50] <MajGenRelativity> I am the Zerg
L1695[09:46:51] <S3> LOL
L1696[09:47:05] <S3> I've been trying to train somebody
L1697[09:47:10] <S3> so that I can play 2v2 ranked with him
L1698[09:47:15] <S3> he's a toss only
L1699[09:47:34] <Cruor> was high gold when i played last
L1700[09:47:43] <S3> Platinum!
L1701[09:47:54] <MajGenRelativity> I am the Swarm
L1702[09:47:56] <S3> but I didn't play for a long time
L1703[09:47:57] <MajGenRelativity> Armies will shatter
L1704[09:48:00] <MajGenRelativity> Worlds will burn
L1705[09:48:07] <S3> and I got thrown in silver, and my APM decreased a lot
L1706[09:48:25] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity watches siege tank get crushed by ultralisk
L1707[09:48:27] <MajGenRelativity> gg no re
L1708[09:48:32] <S3> my APM is like, 60 now, was 45 or so when I got back into it, used to be more like 80
L1709[09:49:07] <MajGenRelativity> Now at last
L1710[09:49:09] <MajGenRelativity> on this world
L1711[09:49:13] <MajGenRelativity> vengeance shall be mine
L1712[09:49:44] <S3> been searching for ranked 4v4 forever...
L1713[09:50:41] <Cruor> S3: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23386746/ShareX/2016/01/14/StarCraft_II-16-50-05.jpg
L1714[09:50:46] <Lizzy> Inari, garden stuff looks cool, same with decocraft and armourer's workshop
L1715[09:50:47] <Cruor> >_<
L1716[09:51:09] <S3> nice
L1717[09:52:04] <MajGenRelativity> fancy
L1718[09:52:12] <Vexatos> Cruor is so good at the game he overflowed the count
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L1720[09:52:18] <S3> Cruor, what's your average APM?
L1721[09:52:26] <Cruor> where do i even check?
L1722[09:52:38] <Lizzy> Inari, thanks for the suggestions :)
L1723[09:52:45] <S3> hmm
L1724[09:52:46] <Inari> Lizzy: no applemilktea? :p
L1725[09:52:52] <S3> usually I look at it in the game history
L1726[09:53:00] <Lizzy> Inari, i added it to the potentials list
L1727[09:53:06] <Inari> xD
L1728[09:53:07] <Cruor> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23386746/ShareX/2016/01/14/StarCraft_II-16-52-32.jpg lol
L1729[09:53:12] <S3> like by going to match history in the profile
L1730[09:53:14] <Cruor> thats amusing XD
L1731[09:53:22] <Inari> im still surprsied MC seems to have no adult mods
L1732[09:53:27] <S3> neat
L1733[09:53:35] <Cruor> high gold :p
L1734[09:53:41] <S3> Inari, a game created by kids?
L1735[09:53:46] <malcom2073_> Adults play minecraft?
L1736[09:53:47] <S3> of course not
L1737[09:54:05] <S3> you consider rank 97 high gold?
L1738[09:54:05] <S3> :)
L1739[09:54:10] <Inari> TIl notch is a kid
L1740[09:54:13] <Cruor> 2013 you silly :p
L1741[09:54:20] <S3> lol
L1742[09:54:24] <Cruor> i dont get how i got gold in 2014
L1743[09:54:34] <Cruor> thinkl thats when i lost 11 games in a row to bronzies
L1744[09:54:46] <S3> I noticed my gameplay has reduced quite a lot, so I play like crazy right now to get back into it
L1745[09:55:08] <S3> you shouldn't judge somebody just because they're in a league that's lower than you :P
L1746[09:55:12] <Cruor> SC is way more brutal than other games :I
L1747[09:55:23] <Lizzy> Inari, probably wont add all in that list because i want people to be able to play it instead of an interactive slideshow
L1748[09:55:25] <S3> I know
L1749[09:55:32] <Cruor> if you fall out of practice, good ****ing luck
L1750[09:55:32] <nxsupert> What game are you talking about?
L1751[09:55:36] <S3> this is why I don't play LoL and crap
L1752[09:55:41] <S3> because LoL is too slow paced
L1753[09:55:53] <Cruor> i went from high gold to league
L1754[09:55:55] <S3> not enough pylons
L1755[09:55:59] <Cruor> i got depressed by the APM diffrence
L1756[09:56:04] <S3> really?
L1757[09:56:09] <Cruor> i was god tier adc
L1758[09:56:19] <Cruor> because i had used marines <_>
L1759[09:56:28] <Cruor> now i can hardly rightclick champions
L1760[09:56:43] <S3> but you are zerg
L1761[09:56:48] <MajGenRelativity> You must construct additional pylons
L1762[09:56:49] <nxsupert> LoL is ok I think. If you conpletely ignore the community. If you do include the community.... well....
L1763[09:56:50] <S3> infested terrans?!
L1764[09:56:56] <Cruor> nah
L1765[09:56:59] <Cruor> i played terran at first
L1766[09:57:02] <S3> I see
L1767[09:57:05] <S3> I can not play terran
L1768[09:57:10] <S3> I really such really bad with them
L1769[09:57:14] <S3> suck*
L1770[09:57:27] <Cruor> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23386746/ShareX/2016/01/14/StarCraft_II-16-56-57.png woop woop
L1771[09:57:28] <Inari> just listen to japanese taric dfeath screams
L1772[09:57:29] <nxsupert> Anyway. What game are you lot talking about?
L1773[09:57:40] <MajGenRelativity> You must construct additonal pylons
L1774[09:57:40] <Lizzy> right, home time
L1775[09:57:58] <S3> wot
L1776[09:58:03] <S3> we gotta get you back in shape
L1777[09:58:17] <MajGenRelativity> I must construct additional pylons?
L1778[09:58:19] <Cruor> they dont have the match history data from 2 years ago man XD
L1779[09:58:30] <MajGenRelativity> I should get SC sometime
L1780[09:58:58] <S3> there are no 4v4 games right now! wtf
L1781[09:59:08] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity buys 7 SC accounts
L1782[09:59:11] <MajGenRelativity> now their is
L1783[09:59:14] <MajGenRelativity> 7 of me vs you
L1784[09:59:15] <MajGenRelativity> les gu
L1785[09:59:16] <S3> ...
L1786[09:59:24] <S3> you know there's this archon mode thing now
L1787[09:59:26] <S3> which iirc is like
L1788[09:59:27] <S3> 2v1
L1789[09:59:33] <Cruor> S3: found one game that has data, 45 api
L1790[09:59:35] <Cruor> my god :I
L1791[09:59:36] <S3> I dunno how that works
L1792[09:59:37] <Cruor> horribad
L1793[09:59:43] * dangranos poooooookes Izaya
L1794[09:59:51] <Cruor> thats 5 apm
L1795[09:59:52] <Cruor> uhh
L1796[09:59:53] <S3> Cruor, yeah we gotta get you working on that
L1797[09:59:55] <Cruor> to much code
L1798[10:00:04] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity pokes dangranos with a zergling
L1799[10:00:18] * dangranos bites zergling
L1800[10:00:26] <S3> zerglings are great
L1801[10:00:29] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity watches zergling bite bike
L1802[10:00:43] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity zergling throws bike at dangranos
L1803[10:00:48] <S3> one common mistake that people make is that they don't use zerglings mid game
L1804[10:01:01] <S3> but zerglings make a great shield for all your roaches and mutas, and so forth to get free shots
L1805[10:01:04] <S3> for a good few seconds
L1806[10:01:05] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity throws ultralisk at S3
L1807[10:01:21] <S3> just an altralisk?
L1808[10:01:24] <S3> won't last a second
L1809[10:01:39] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity throws 1000 ultralisks at S3
L1810[10:01:44] <S3> wont last long either..
L1811[10:01:48] <S3> and you can't have that many
L1812[10:01:48] <Cruor> S3: Cruor#2116
L1813[10:01:49] <MajGenRelativity> wat
L1814[10:01:52] <S3> the most you can have is like 15
L1815[10:01:55] <MajGenRelativity> 1000 ultralisks?
L1816[10:01:57] <S3> because 200/200 food cap
L1817[10:02:00] <MajGenRelativity> How do they not beat your face in
L1818[10:02:03] <S3> if you have workers
L1819[10:02:12] <S3> most zerg players should have about 90 drones
L1820[10:02:16] <S3> by end game
L1821[10:02:22] <MajGenRelativity> regardless of the cap, how do 1000 ultralisks not beat your face in
L1822[10:02:37] <S3> because ultralisks are weak
L1823[10:02:39] <S3> they need support
L1824[10:02:39] <Cruor> because ultralisks are trash
L1825[10:02:44] <Cruor> and just get stuck in each other <_>
L1826[10:02:48] <S3> you can't sen dthem alone
L1827[10:02:49] <MajGenRelativity> but 1000 of them
L1828[10:02:51] <MajGenRelativity> fine
L1829[10:03:00] <Cruor> 1000 is the same as like 4
L1830[10:03:00] <Cruor> q_q
L1831[10:03:13] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity throws 1 billion zerglings at S3 and Cruor with proper mutalisk, hydralisk, roach, and other assorted bug support
L1832[10:03:27] <MajGenRelativity> Queen
L1833[10:03:36] <Cruor> eeeeh
L1834[10:03:37] <MajGenRelativity> Overlord
L1835[10:03:49] <Cruor> id take mass queen
L1836[10:03:52] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity crashes Cruor and S3 bcuz he noob
L1837[10:04:05] <MajGenRelativity> for clarification, I'm the SC noob
L1838[10:04:11] <MajGenRelativity> I read the entire wiki a year ago
L1839[10:04:17] <MajGenRelativity> And I can't remember half the stuff now
L1840[10:04:26] <MajGenRelativity> I can remember the campaign though
L1841[10:04:52] <Cruor> S3: add me nub D:
L1842[10:08:50] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity unsheathes his Cursed Blade of Misfortune
L1843[10:08:53] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity looks at it
L1844[10:08:56] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity sheathes it
L1845[10:09:07] <MajGenRelativity> The Protoss constructed additional pylons
L1846[10:10:46] <MajGenRelativity> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_XwzBMTJaM
L1847[10:10:47] <MichiBot> Corded: StarCraft II: Legacy of the Void Opening Cinematic | length: 3m 19s | Likes: 62394 Dislikes: 677 Views: 5548046 | by StarCraft
L1848[10:10:56] <MajGenRelativity> this reinforces the number 1 axiom of the protoss
L1849[10:11:59] <S3> that pisses me off
L1850[10:12:12] <MajGenRelativity> ?
L1851[10:12:17] <S3> Cruor, somebody lagged out REALLY badly at the beginning of the match, and it completely screwed up my focus of attention for the game
L1852[10:12:22] <S3> and I ended up getting wrecked
L1853[10:12:24] <MajGenRelativity> ?
L1854[10:12:35] <S3> in SC2 every miliseconnd counts
L1855[10:12:36] <Cruor> less wreck, more add crucru
L1856[10:12:42] <MajGenRelativity> lol
L1857[10:12:48] <MajGenRelativity> you must construct additional pylons
L1858[10:12:59] <Cruor> its true though
L1859[10:13:04] <S3> I ended up putting down extractors with like 200 minerals which delays my crap
L1860[10:13:13] <MajGenRelativity> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
L1861[10:13:27] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity flips over the tables of those who wreck S3
L1862[10:13:34] <S3> Cruor, is crucru really your battle.net ign?
L1863[10:13:43] <Cruor> before workers autoworked, if two pro dudes at the same level played, and one of them KNEW that the other guy was 5sec late into the game, oh boy, gg
L1864[10:14:02] <Cruor> :I not brutal game at all
L1865[10:14:04] <Cruor> its like darksouls
L1866[10:14:06] <Cruor> in RTS form
L1867[10:14:07] <S3> Cruor, haha
L1868[10:14:17] <Cruor> Cruor#2116 i said
L1869[10:14:38] <S3> Cruor, were you one of those people who assigned minerals for each drone individually?
L1870[10:14:39] <S3> :P
L1871[10:14:43] <S3> to show off your micro
L1872[10:14:49] <Cruor> nah
L1873[10:14:49] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity uses nano
L1874[10:14:52] <S3> haha
L1875[10:14:57] <MajGenRelativity> It's like micro, but even more micro'd
L1876[10:15:11] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity jacks TACEATS 3171 into SC2
L1877[10:15:15] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity wins every game ever
L1878[10:15:52] <S3> There are some weird bugs
L1879[10:15:54] <S3> in SC2
L1880[10:16:04] <S3> my friend and I I play with, we have VOIP
L1881[10:16:08] <S3> and so we have desk phones on speaker
L1882[10:16:12] <Cruor> i hope you are on eu server :p
L1883[10:16:20] <S3> nope./
L1884[10:16:24] <S3> could be
L1885[10:16:31] <S3> but so he plays protoss only
L1886[10:16:32] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity is the EU server
L1887[10:16:42] <MajGenRelativity> he constructed additonal pylons?
L1888[10:16:54] <S3> and sometimes I hear out of his phone, "need more overlords!"
L1889[10:16:55] <Cruor> du må bygge flere kjegler
L1890[10:16:58] <S3> ...
L1891[10:17:30] <MajGenRelativity> correct Cruor
L1892[10:17:35] <Aedda> mmm an actual BSOD, from launching MC... I haven't seen a BSOD in so many years
L1893[10:17:48] <MajGenRelativity> Aedda, what Windows you got?
L1894[10:17:52] <S3> switching to EU
L1895[10:18:00] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity continues to be the EU server
L1896[10:18:54] <S3> DAFUQ
L1897[10:19:00] <S3> Cruor, It's making me do a tutorial!
L1898[10:19:09] <Cruor> :>
L1899[10:19:20] <S3> I want to learn to play!
L1900[10:20:29] <MajGenRelativity> The complete trilogy is not actually that expensive
L1901[10:20:38] <MajGenRelativity> I would have thought maybe $80-100
L1902[10:20:42] <MajGenRelativity> Only $60
L1903[10:20:52] <S3> LOL
L1904[10:20:57] <S3> found a hilarious bug
L1905[10:21:02] <dangranos> hm?
L1906[10:21:04] <S3> Cruor, ever play the tutorial?
L1907[10:21:17] <Cruor> no idea :I
L1908[10:21:19] <S3> so there's this elevator grate with a door that opens and an enemy unit comes up
L1909[10:21:22] <S3> you kill it
L1910[10:21:25] <S3> I walked on top of it
L1911[10:21:32] <S3> it opened the grate elevated me down and closed it
L1912[10:21:33] <MajGenRelativity> did you die?
L1913[10:21:37] <MajGenRelativity> you flew up the map
L1914[10:21:37] <S3> and now my unit is gone forever
L1915[10:21:42] <MajGenRelativity> LOL
L1916[10:21:43] <S3> it was just supposed to be for show
L1917[10:21:44] <S3> lol
L1918[10:22:00] <MajGenRelativity> my laptop crushes the minimum requirements
L1919[10:22:10] <MajGenRelativity> now, I just have to consider moneys
L1920[10:22:11] <S3> oh I see what's going on
L1921[10:22:54] <Cruor> you can download the game and just leach expansions of people :I
L1922[10:23:04] <MajGenRelativity> S3, did you buy LoV or Hots, or are you doing WoG?
L1923[10:23:17] <MajGenRelativity> Cruor, true, but campaign
L1924[10:23:32] <S3> I don't have any expansions but I may get hots so I can play ranked hots games
L1925[10:23:39] <S3> I dunno if lotv is worth it
L1926[10:24:36] <S3> finally in the bnet menus
L1927[10:24:43] <MajGenRelativity> just
L1928[10:24:44] <MajGenRelativity> DO IT
L1929[10:24:57] <MajGenRelativity> DON'T LET YOUR DREAMS BE DREAMS
L1930[10:27:50] <S3> Cruor, what you are supposed to do is play 1v1 in asia
L1931[10:28:01] <Cruor> ;_; nuu
L1932[10:28:02] <Kodos> Right. I'm gonna go celebrate my wife's birthday with her. You kids have fun dealing with... IRC stuff
L1933[10:28:08] <S3> if you win one game then you will turn into a korean
L1934[10:28:27] <S3> and your apm will instantly go from 45 to 400
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L1937[10:29:31] <MajGenRelativity> what is apm?
L1938[10:29:37] <S3> actions per minute
L1939[10:29:51] <S3> have you ever seen a korean play starcraft?
L1940[10:29:56] <S3> they play on home row.
L1941[10:30:06] <S3> How do I know this?
L1942[10:30:19] <S3> I had a friend who had a roommate that played who was korean in my first college
L1943[10:30:20] <S3> O M G
L1944[10:30:26] <MajGenRelativity> what is home row?
L1945[10:30:31] <S3> you knoiw
L1946[10:30:32] <S3> typing?
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L1948[10:31:25] <MajGenRelativity> oh
L1949[10:31:29] <MajGenRelativity> that home row XD
L1950[10:31:34] <S3> lol!
L1951[10:31:48] <S3> I remember the day I met that korean guy
L1952[10:31:57] <S3> he had never played sc2 before, just sc brood war years back
L1953[10:32:00] <S3> he goes, can I play?
L1954[10:32:02] <S3> plays a 4v4
L1955[10:32:10] <S3> all three of his team mates left when he started the game
L1956[10:32:20] <S3> so he micro / macro managed all 4our bases at once
L1957[10:32:29] <MajGenRelativity> wow
L1958[10:32:30] <S3> and brought all the other players down to their knees in minutes :D
L1959[10:32:40] <S3> he was typing like you type a report on home row
L1960[10:32:44] <S3> by the end of the game
L1961[10:32:44] <MajGenRelativity> did he have TACEATS3171?
L1962[10:32:53] <S3> No idea what that is
L1963[10:33:07] <MajGenRelativity> computer thing
L1964[10:33:11] <MajGenRelativity> anyways, nvm
L1965[10:33:23] <S3> lol
L1966[10:34:24] <S3> Cruor, so, is it not possible to uncheck the reduced violence option on the EU server?
L1967[10:34:32] <Cruor> wut .-.
L1968[10:34:38] <S3> I'm joking lol
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L1970[10:34:49] <S3> making fun of brittish media
L1971[10:35:12] <Cruor> why is there no pending friend requests all over .-.
L1972[10:35:25] <S3> I don't even know what your thing is
L1973[10:35:52] <Cruor> Cruor#2116 ffs >_<
L1974[10:35:58] <Cruor> 3rd time i write it ;_;
L1975[10:36:19] <S3> wot
L1976[10:36:31] <S3> not a valid tag
L1977[10:37:00] <Cruor> You cannot send a friend request to yourself
L1978[10:37:05] <Cruor> looks valid to me :I
L1979[10:37:08] <S3> lol
L1980[10:37:25] <Cruor> sure you are on eu? .-.
L1981[10:38:10] <S3> I am
L1982[10:38:20] <Cruor> there we go
L1983[10:38:21] <Cruor> i think .-.
L1984[10:38:29] <S3> you think
L1985[10:38:39] <Cruor> yea :I
L1986[10:39:04] <S3> I didn't send anything yet.
L1987[10:39:10] <Cruor> :I
L1988[10:39:15] <S3> Kidding! XD
L1989[10:39:18] <Cruor> :I
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L1991[10:41:16] <S3> should say Shaiden
L1992[10:42:11] <Cruor> i dont have screens for this :I
L1993[10:42:14] <S3> this is gonan suck
L1994[10:42:27] <Cruor> yeah
L1995[10:42:30] <Cruor> i cant play the game :I
L1996[10:42:42] <S3> wut?
L1997[10:42:50] <Cruor> idfk how to play m8
L1998[10:42:53] <Cruor> been a year
L1999[10:42:56] <S3> lol
L2000[10:43:02] <S3> I will propbably still get creamed
L2001[10:43:14] <Cruor> glhf .-.
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L2003[10:55:11] <S3> I can't believe I did that lol
L2004[10:55:18] <Cruor> holy **** my macro was trash
L2005[10:55:32] <S3> I sent that overlord, and when I went to check your base, I wasn't doing anything in my home base XD
L2006[10:55:40] <Cruor> eeeh
L2007[10:55:50] <Cruor> 727 average unspent
L2008[10:55:54] <Cruor> i should be shot :I
L2009[10:55:59] <S3> lol
L2010[10:56:01] <S3> should try again
L2011[10:56:22] <Cruor> oh
L2012[10:56:26] <Cruor> you did double extractor trick?
L2013[10:56:36] <S3> yes
L2014[10:56:39] <S3> I always do
L2015[10:56:47] <Cruor> your pool is late :p
L2016[10:56:56] <S3> it was late
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L2018[10:57:12] <S3> I was lookingat your base
L2019[10:57:14] <S3> about that time
L2020[10:57:15] <Cruor> :p
L2021[10:57:21] <S3> and leaving my base to collect minerals lol
L2022[10:57:23] <Cruor> you mean the pro micro queen? XD
L2023[10:57:31] <S3> ahaha
L2024[10:57:58] <S3> yeah my roaches didnt come out until about 6:00
L2025[10:58:03] <S3> I usually birth them about 4:30
L2026[10:58:19] <Cruor> 2x queen + walled ramp hype :I
L2027[10:58:39] <S3> wtf sc2
L2028[10:58:46] <S3> it was being dumb invite again
L2029[10:59:22] <Cruor> give me a sec
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L2031[11:03:02] <Cruor> S3: im so rusty at this game ;_;
L2032[11:03:07] <S3> lol
L2033[11:03:42] <Cruor> i had a vespene thing not used for half the game
L2034[11:03:44] <Cruor> wtf .-.
L2035[11:03:53] <S3> :)
L2036[11:04:03] <S3> zerg has to crank vespene like nuts
L2037[11:04:04] <S3> mid gamne
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L2039[11:05:36] <Cruor> give me a min, HS crashed >_<
L2040[11:06:25] <S3> lol!
L2041[11:06:40] * S3 read that as "highsec crashed"
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L2043[11:06:59] <S3> speaking of which I just sold a plex on eve for 1 billion bucks
L2044[11:07:08] <S3> yay inflation
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L2046[11:07:46] <S3> Hey Turtle
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L2048[11:09:19] <Cruor> S3: ready?
L2049[11:09:25] <Cruor> lets see how this ends >_<
L2050[11:09:29] <Cruor> kinda helping Oddstr13 at HS >_<
L2051[11:09:49] <S3> lol
L2052[11:10:16] <Cruor> ready? :p
L2053[11:10:17] <S3> yeah I am
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L2056[11:24:28] <S3> lol. I dunno wtf happened there, but my for some reason I was surprised I lost to that battle
L2057[11:24:36] <Cruor> i had 2/2 upgrades
L2058[11:24:37] <S3> especially with my upgrades
L2059[11:24:49] <S3> I didn't have any defense yet
L2060[11:25:06] <S3> and for some reason I didn't have enogh larvae wven with queen injects to make enough zerglings
L2061[11:25:13] <S3> dunno how the heck that happened
L2062[11:25:31] <Cruor> :I my queen injections are still somewhat 100% on point :p
L2063[11:25:50] <S3> heh
L2064[11:25:54] <Cruor> that was a better game, i think
L2065[11:26:02] <S3> definately you did like 65 APM
L2066[11:26:03] <Cruor> still feel rusty af
L2067[11:26:20] <S3> I didn't feel like I did all too well but definately better than last game omg
L2068[11:26:39] <S3> since I was actually mostly paying attention
L2069[11:26:44] <S3> but you know
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L2071[11:26:48] <S3> I got my third base really late
L2072[11:26:56] <S3> I usually expand way before that
L2073[11:27:09] <S3> and you had more resources
L2074[11:27:21] <Cruor> :p
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L2076[11:27:43] <S3> I was also preparing for mutalisks
L2077[11:27:44] <S3> lol
L2078[11:27:59] <Cruor> you are zerg, you dont do that :p
L2079[11:28:24] <S3> I wouldn't have gotten hydralisks if I knew you weren't going for mutalisks
L2080[11:28:26] <Cruor> i saw i wouldnt get punished for not having army at all, so, i made no army :p
L2081[11:28:37] <S3> lol
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L2083[11:29:00] <Cruor> had queen and spines for roach push
L2084[11:29:01] <S3> yeah I suyck really bad at scouting, so until I figure out how to do it, I just don't, and I have to rely on guessing which sucks
L2085[11:29:12] <S3> becauyse if I scout, it distracts me from placing buildings and other crap I want to do
L2086[11:29:16] <S3> injects, etc
L2087[11:29:19] <Cruor> :p
L2088[11:29:23] <Cruor> oh, i inject in fights
L2089[11:29:25] <Cruor> no prob
L2090[11:29:53] <S3> I do as well, but managing all my bases is kinda hard for me with a scout
L2091[11:30:00] <S3> I end up taking too long lol
L2092[11:30:14] <Cruor> what 1v1 rank are you? :p
L2093[11:30:18] <S3> that's why I often play team games because they usually scout for me
L2094[11:30:28] <S3> they put me in silver this time around
L2095[11:30:33] <Cruor> ah
L2096[11:30:40] <Tiin57> Cruor: i'm a platinum gold star.
L2097[11:30:44] <Tiin57> I win
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L2099[11:30:53] <S3> Tiin57, your mom is grand master?
L2100[11:31:15] <Tiin57> no
L2101[11:31:17] <Tiin57> my dad is
L2102[11:31:28] <Inari> the mom is grand mistress
L2103[11:31:57] <Cruor> S3: i played almost even against a masters zerg when i was high gold.. so yeah :I
L2104[11:32:17] <S3> I have an issue with being in silver, I wish they'd put me in hold honestly
L2105[11:32:26] <S3> and the reason is because silver is too easy for me
L2106[11:32:32] <S3> I've had no trouble in silver
L2107[11:32:43] <S3> gold*
L2108[11:32:52] <S3> I've been winning silver left and right
L2109[11:33:03] <Cruor> losing to bronze left and right \o/
L2110[11:33:09] <S3> and as much as I make some pretty stupid mistakes
L2111[11:33:24] <S3> I've seen a lot of really really bad ones in silver constantly by other people
L2112[11:33:38] <S3> like, leaving drones around not working
L2113[11:33:41] <S3> tons of them
L2114[11:33:46] <Cruor> apparantly swarm hosts dont burrow anymore :I
L2115[11:33:50] <S3> or never upgrading
L2116[11:34:00] <Cruor> like they used to 2 years ago XD
L2117[11:34:09] <S3> those are hots aren't they?
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L2120[11:34:31] <Cruor> yeah
L2121[11:34:44] <S3> I've only ever used them once
L2122[11:34:50] <S3> I'm not quite sure yet what they are really good for
L2123[11:34:53] <Cruor> protect your infestors better btw
L2124[11:35:04] <Cruor> (comming from someone who a-moved them into your army)
L2125[11:35:14] <S3> .. I thought my infestors didn't hatch
L2126[11:35:18] <S3> lol
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L2128[11:35:29] <Cruor> oh, i just instantly sniped them :I
L2129[11:35:31] <sugoi> Vexatos: you poked?
L2130[11:35:33] <S3> I tried making some and it said more vespene needed like my first key press I thought
L2131[11:35:37] <S3> so I didn't think I had any
L2132[11:35:43] <Vexatos> sugoi, have you yet done RAM checks on your OpenOS
L2133[11:35:54] <S3> otherwise I would have used them heh
L2134[11:36:04] <S3> I musta had one or two then
L2135[11:36:14] <S3> I don't 'usually' use infestors
L2136[11:37:06] <S3> there are a couple units I almost never use really, ultralisks, infestors, and banelings lol. though I make a baneling building whenever I am going against more than one terran
L2137[11:37:08] <sugoi> Vexatos: yes! i started working on that a lot, then put it on hold (and on another branch) i decided to finish all the items left i wanted to get done for openos, then go to optimizations (optimizing first would probably create more work and false progress)
L2138[11:37:09] <S3> early on
L2139[11:37:50] <sugoi> Vexatos: before i merged with some more term updates added, i was +20k above 1.5 -- with a lot of good ideas to continue to drop it
L2140[11:38:08] <S3> but yeah, I used to be a little, but not much better
L2141[11:38:20] <Vexatos> 20k is quite a bit, but ok
L2142[11:38:22] <S3> I was in platinum in 4v4 most of the time
L2143[11:38:24] <Vexatos> we'll see :P
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L2145[11:38:39] <tt36999> asdsadassda
L2146[11:38:42] <sugoi> Vexatos: it is, but i have 50k free even at 30k+
L2147[11:38:47] <S3> I started playing again within the past 2 months or so after like 4 years almost..
L2148[11:38:51] <sugoi> in other words, at 20k+ i'm 60k free
L2149[11:38:51] <Vexatos> sugoi, yea I know
L2150[11:38:53] <sugoi> ok
L2151[11:38:54] <Cruor> :p
L2152[11:38:57] <Vexatos> I can maths
L2153[11:39:01] <Vexatos> :P
L2154[11:39:16] <sugoi> Vexatos: i trust you can, i was only reminding you in case you forgot some of the numbers
L2155[11:39:31] <tt> qqqq
L2156[11:39:33] <Vexatos> :P
L2157[11:39:37] <S3> Cruor, what I really need to figure out is how to scout effectively and how to progress mid game. I don't think my mid game play is all that good, and playing against the computer is annoyingly predictable.
L2158[11:39:47] <sugoi> but honestly, i have some pretty great memory saving ideas
L2159[11:39:51] * Vexatos pokes tt with a pointy stick
L2160[11:39:54] <sugoi> things left should NOT increase memory at all
L2161[11:40:00] <Cruor> S3: just spam 1v1s :p
L2162[11:40:01] <EnderBot2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE
L2163[11:40:04] <S3> I am definately better at micro than I used to
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L2166[11:40:44] <sugoi> i am worried a bit about the current state of things, term increased a bit with a recent merge. it's not huge, but has cost. but i do think i can delay load a lot of the bash parsing upgrades
L2167[11:40:51] <S3> Cruor that's what I used to do
L2168[11:41:27] <sugoi> Vexatos: i have made a PR, btw. it's the first phase, the 2nd will be the small todo list i have right now and memory op
L2169[11:41:38] <sugoi> this first PR should be 90% of the work
L2170[11:41:57] <sugoi> and surely the highest memory cost point from which i will work from
L2171[11:42:59] <Vexatos> well delaying load means it'll still be loaded at some point :P
L2172[11:43:18] <sugoi> Vexatos: yes - but only if the user is calling those advanced api
L2173[11:43:53] <Vexatos> mhm
L2174[11:44:01] <sugoi> the only things i'd remove from openos that i've added are /bin/ utils - but those don't stay loaded
L2175[11:44:12] <sugoi> everything in lib i honetly think is very good for the os
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L2177[11:44:53] <sugoi> i could even put all lazy loaded libs into weak values
L2178[11:45:01] <sugoi> in fact, i will
L2179[11:52:42] <sugoi> Skye: are you skyem123?
L2180[11:53:31] <Skye> sugoi: yes
L2181[11:53:40] <sugoi> gamax92: ive asked but i forgot, what os is your preferred os for when you use ocemu?
L2182[11:53:54] <sugoi> Skye: ok, hi :)
L2183[11:54:00] <Skye> Hi
L2184[11:54:43] <sugoi> Skye: commented to your .bashrc feedback on github (payo)
L2185[11:56:35] <Shuudoushi> Mimiru: you find the messages?
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L2188[12:01:41] <Skye> sugoi: and I replied
L2189[12:02:13] <sugoi> cool
L2190[12:02:17] <Shuudoushi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XggUCi1jtz0
L2191[12:02:19] <MichiBot> Shuudoushi: Bird of Paradise Hook Up | length: 58s | Likes: 674 Dislikes: 3 Views: 46647 | by Jaime Margary
L2192[12:07:02] <Michiyo> yes, ping Mimiru not Michiyo :P
L2193[12:07:12] <Michiyo> I had to use https://oclogs.pc-logix.com
L2194[12:07:21] <Michiyo> BTW, no.
L2195[12:07:32] <Shuudoushi> lol
L2196[12:07:51] <Michiyo> test that shit in SP.
L2197[12:07:52] <Michiyo> lol
L2198[12:08:15] <sugoi> Skye: note that openos 1.5 has roughly 80k free
L2199[12:08:20] <sugoi> on tier 1.5
L2200[12:08:41] <Skye> Yay
L2201[12:09:05] <Shuudoushi> tried that, but it crashes b/c the latest ver of OC has java changes that lets my edits to SOS work
L2202[12:09:26] <Shuudoushi> fucking veiwport
L2203[12:09:30] <Michiyo> um wat
L2204[12:09:48] <Michiyo> How does me updating the server change that then? lol
L2205[12:09:53] <Shuudoushi> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/commit/58899fb82e53151427fc2899e0cf1c2ebead7025
L2206[12:10:05] <Shuudoushi> b/c we're .1 vers behind
L2207[12:10:25] <Shuudoushi> as of like 9 days ago
L2208[12:10:45] <Michiyo> Ok.. and? How does me updating the server change anything you do in SP on your own... just make your own instance with forge/oc/whatever
L2209[12:11:41] <Michiyo> bah work
L2210[12:11:44] <Shuudoushi> but I'm lazy T.T
L2211[12:12:08] <Shuudoushi> I laughed way too much at that...
L2212[12:12:28] <Shuudoushi> either way, off to work with me
L2213[12:12:49] <Michiyo> lazy asshat..
L2214[12:13:45] <Shuudoushi> damn skippy
L2215[12:14:23] <Michiyo> ._.
L2216[12:14:53] <Skye> sugoi: do you have the ability to unload modules if they are not used for your second PR, or should I tell you my idea?
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L2219[12:20:37] <Skye> sugoi?
L2220[12:21:04] <sugoi> Skye: yes, memory optimizations include smart loading
L2221[12:21:12] <sugoi> Skye: but i'm very open to ideas
L2222[12:21:28] <sugoi> note, i've already reduced the memory by 15k in my pr2 branch
L2223[12:21:37] <Skye> Well, I'm thinking
L2224[12:21:53] <Skye> Use metatables
L2225[12:22:06] <Skye> So if it needs to unload something
L2226[12:22:20] <Skye> It unloads the real table
L2227[12:22:43] <sugoi> yes, we're on the same page
L2228[12:22:46] <sugoi> i have a working model of that
L2229[12:22:47] <Skye> Where a fake table and a metatable are there if anything tries to access it
L2230[12:22:55] <Skye> And reload it if needed.
L2231[12:23:01] <sugoi> yep
L2232[12:23:39] <sugoi> my solution even passes environment for local state - proved it with filesystem (which cannot be unloaded)
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L2236[12:35:37] <Skye> sugoi: so you can pretend to unload everything, and it gets reloaded if needed?
L2237[12:37:45] <S3> Cruor, did a 1v1
L2238[12:37:51] <S3> of course I won in silver.. -.-
L2239[12:37:55] <S3> the guy didnt expand at ALL
L2240[12:38:08] <S3> he locked himself inside his base and upgraded everything
L2241[12:38:14] <S3> so I just took all of his bases to make him mad
L2242[12:38:20] <S3> and spread creep 100% to kill time
L2243[12:40:22] * XP01 waves
L2244[12:40:26] <MajGenRelativity> hi XP01
L2245[12:40:26] <S3> hey XP01
L2246[12:40:32] * XP01 waves
L2247[12:40:41] <sugoi> Skye: yes. and for boot - less is loaded.
L2248[12:40:42] <S3> who is XP01
L2249[12:40:51] <MajGenRelativity> I dunno
L2250[12:40:59] <MajGenRelativity> He never speaks using anything other than /me
L2251[12:41:01] <sugoi> on first call it loads, and i will test with lazy keys to auto unload (i haven't tested this yet, but should work)
L2252[12:41:07] * XP01 is the Universe
L2253[12:41:25] <S3> I think his /me key is stuck
L2254[12:41:44] * XP01 does not have a /me key
L2255[12:41:57] <S3> It's like these people in MMORPGS who speak in third person 100% of the time
L2256[12:41:58] <S3> WTF?
L2257[12:42:21] <MajGenRelativity> ?
L2258[12:42:32] <S3> Hey what's up! want to do some raids?
L2259[12:42:35] <S3> replies:
L2260[12:42:35] <Skye> sugoi, so it's basically a load modules as needed system?
L2261[12:42:38] <S3> "He does not know..."
L2262[12:42:46] <S3> "He thinks that raids could be fun!"
L2263[12:42:56] <S3> ...
L2264[12:43:11] * XP01 is not a person
L2265[12:43:20] * XP01 hence cannot speak in 3rd person
L2266[12:43:28] * XP01 is also not a bot FYI
L2267[12:43:29] <S3> 1/ctcp XP01 VERSION
L2268[12:43:37] <S3> oops
L2269[12:43:41] <S3> wait what
L2270[12:43:46] <S3> lol :P
L2271[12:43:46] * XP01 is confused
L2272[12:43:53] * XP01 is wondering what S3 is trying to do
L2273[12:44:02] <MajGenRelativity> what was the command you issued?
L2274[12:44:22] <S3> apparently your version string is minecraft.opencomputers
L2275[12:44:26] <S3> /*
L2276[12:44:38] <MajGenRelativity> ????
L2277[12:44:44] * XP01 is the Universe
L2278[12:44:50] <S3> -XP01- VERSION Minecraft/OpenComputers Lua 5.2
L2279[12:45:00] <MajGenRelativity> It's a computer?
L2280[12:45:07] <S3> lol
L2281[12:45:07] <Mimiru> Which means it's the OC IRC client
L2282[12:45:08] * XP01 is not a bot
L2283[12:45:20] <S3> XP01, What is the answer to live the universe and everything?
L2284[12:45:21] <Mimiru> I added that reply
L2285[12:45:40] * XP01 ponders the question
L2286[12:45:47] * XP01 decides the answer is 43
L2287[12:45:50] <S3> ...
L2288[12:46:05] <S3> I think I know what just happened
L2289[12:46:09] <MajGenRelativity> ?
L2290[12:46:11] <S3> I think XP01 just ran some bits..:
L2291[12:46:15] <S3> 101010101010101010103 CRASH!
L2292[12:46:22] * XP01 is still here
L2293[12:46:25] * XP01 has not crashed
L2294[12:46:28] <S3> \lol
L2295[12:46:28] * XP01 runs away
L2296[12:46:36] <Inari> Oo
L2297[12:47:16] <S3> infina,
L2298[12:47:38] <infina> ...
L2299[12:48:06] <S3> is XP01 pie_crust?
L2300[12:48:13] <S3> let us test
L2301[12:48:17] <sugoi> Skye: yes - load as needed. i have a version of it on github, but it doesn't include everything we've talked about. it was just a first pass on the idea that i was sharing with Magik6.k for feedback: https://github.com/payonel/OpenComputers/commit/ae7d91018629294e6e4373be2d7a15ba88ae5b56
L2302[12:48:19] * MajGenRelativity has no obsidian
L2303[12:48:28] <S3> don't laugh at me, this is a solid hilarious reference:
L2304[12:48:36] <S3> XP01, what is the packet size google uses?
L2305[12:48:46] * XP01 crashes
L2306[12:48:51] <S3> LOL
L2307[12:48:56] ⇦ Quits: XP01 (~xp01@ov9.bisecthosting.com) (Quit: XP01)
L2308[12:49:02] <S3> LOL!
L2309[12:49:02] <sugoi> Skye: that (old) branch also has some extra logging, just look for package.lazy if you're curious. again. that branch is outdated now, it doesn't include some of the features discussed here
L2310[12:49:05] <MajGenRelativity> Did he actually crash?
L2311[12:49:19] <Inari> nope
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L2313[12:49:27] * XP01 waves
L2314[12:49:33] <S3> XP01, what is the packet size google uses?
L2315[12:49:39] * XP01 dispenses with the waving
L2316[12:49:41] * XP01 crashes
L2317[12:49:42] ⇦ Quits: XP01 (~xp01@ov9.bisecthosting.com) (Client Quit)
L2318[12:49:50] <S3> ooh
L2319[12:50:11] <Skye> sugoi, uhh... with that lazy loading... it isn't done transparently
L2320[12:50:30] <MajGenRelativity> XP01 does not like the packet size of google
L2321[12:51:05] ⇨ Joins: XP01 (~xp01@ov9.bisecthosting.com)
L2322[12:51:07] * XP01 is angry
L2323[12:51:12] <Skye> sugoi, or is it done transparently, but there are special optimisation things? this is confusing...
L2324[12:51:19] <g> XP01: This statement is false
L2325[12:51:34] * XP01 deletes g
L2326[12:51:39] <g> :P
L2327[12:51:42] ⇦ Parts: g (~g@ultros.tentacles.are.evidently.sexy) ())
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L2329[12:51:57] <sugoi> Skye: how about, when i have my optiizations for my 2nd pr ready, i'll make sure i ping you
L2330[12:52:01] <Inari> g: nice hostname
L2331[12:52:03] <Skye> yeah
L2332[12:52:08] <g> Inari: thanks. xD
L2333[12:52:17] <sugoi> Skye: and yes, it's going to look a bit weird :)
L2334[12:52:56] <g> Inari: is there something you'd like to tell us? :o
L2335[12:52:57] <MajGenRelativity> T3 servers hef power
L2336[12:52:57] <g> brb
L2337[12:53:04] <Inari> like?
L2338[12:53:23] <sugoi> for example, /lib/sh.lua can be heavily lazy loaded if i add predicates to method calls to determine if advanced-real-api is needed or not
L2339[12:53:59] <sugoi> something like return input:find("|") and load_real() or load_simple()
L2340[12:54:52] <Inari> \1test\1
L2341[12:55:28] <Inari> \1VERSION\1
L2342[12:55:30] <Inari> hrm :<
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L2344[12:56:38] * XP01 receives ping thingies
L2345[12:56:44] * XP01 glares at Inari
L2346[12:59:31] ⇦ Quits: XP01 (~xp01@ov9.bisecthosting.com) (Quit: XP01)
L2347[13:00:08] <g> Inari: tentacles
L2348[13:00:33] <Skye> ?????
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L2350[13:01:03] <MajGenRelativity> Inari
L2351[13:01:05] <MajGenRelativity> what are you dong
L2352[13:01:07] <MajGenRelativity> doing*
L2353[13:01:17] <Inari> did that show up as a /me to anyone XD
L2354[13:01:21] <g> no
L2355[13:01:25] <Inari> damn :P
L2356[13:01:25] <MajGenRelativity> you CTCP'd me
L2357[13:01:29] <g> it showed up as a CTCP "test"
L2358[13:01:30] <MajGenRelativity> I don't like getting CTCP'd
L2359[13:01:33] <Inari> oh
L2360[13:01:34] <Inari> fail
L2361[13:01:36] <g> you need a CTCP "DESCRIBE"
L2362[13:01:37] <g> I think
L2363[13:01:48] <g> \1DESCRIBE stuff\1
L2364[13:02:10] <g> no, ACTION
L2365[13:02:14] <Inari> i think i ctcpd the whole channel
L2366[13:02:18] <g> you did
L2367[13:02:55] <Inari> im just trying to break openirc :D
L2368[13:03:39] * XP01 glares at Inari
L2369[13:03:50] <sugoi> Inari: i liked it
L2370[13:03:56] <Inari> lol
L2371[13:03:59] <sugoi> you can ctcpd me anytime
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L2373[13:04:50] <EqDCnC> excellect
L2374[13:04:52] <EqDCnC> this works
L2375[13:04:59] <MajGenRelativity> Greetings EqDCnC
L2376[13:05:04] <MajGenRelativity> Now go home
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L2379[13:08:36] <S3> ...
L2380[13:08:42] <S3> Why does my ctcp version reply PotatOS
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L2382[13:08:48] <S3> ...
L2383[13:08:50] <EqDCnC> Server test complete
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L2385[13:09:10] <MajGenRelativity> excellect, lol
L2386[13:09:16] <MajGenRelativity> Maj you have good speeling
L2387[13:10:16] <g> S3: znc can spoof CTCP responses
L2388[13:10:22] <g> I'm sure other bouncers can too
L2389[13:10:46] <g> eg, check my VERSION response
L2390[13:11:01] <Inari> lol
L2391[13:11:05] <Inari> nice :P
L2392[13:11:17] <g> I don't think that'll set any actual AVs off, but
L2393[13:11:18] <g> :P
L2394[13:11:40] <g> it will if you save it to a file
L2395[13:12:20] <MajGenRelativity> So, how do you pass power without messages?
L2396[13:12:26] <MajGenRelativity> because my relay is being a failure
L2397[13:12:45] <MajGenRelativity> I hef plen
L2398[13:12:58] <sugoi> MajGenRelativity: i read that in carmen's voice
L2399[13:13:05] <MajGenRelativity> who is carmen?
L2400[13:13:47] <sugoi> south park
L2401[13:13:55] <MajGenRelativity> ok
L2402[13:14:20] * XP01 looks around
L2403[13:14:28] <S3> g: Oh I knew that
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L2405[13:14:33] <S3> I wasn't asking how
L2406[13:14:36] <S3> I was asking why
L2407[13:14:38] <S3> lol
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L2409[13:14:48] <g> ah, lol
L2410[13:15:23] <S3> Inari: DONT FINGER ME
L2411[13:15:44] <Inari> xD
L2412[13:15:57] <MajGenRelativity> ???
L2413[13:15:58] <S3> lol, Inari send me /ctcp s3 finger
L2414[13:16:11] * XP01 is concerned
L2415[13:16:17] <S3> sent*
L2416[13:16:21] <Dashkal> "finger prints"
L2417[13:16:24] <S3> he sent me a finger request over ctcp
L2418[13:16:36] <Inari> dashkal responds to it :P
L2419[13:16:41] <Inari> CTCP FINGER reply from Dashkal [~dashkal@S0106d43d7ef8be0d.vf.shawcable.net]: WeeChat 1.2
L2420[13:16:47] <S3> although he probably gets no reply from me
L2421[13:16:54] <Dashkal> I use VERSION to check what people are using when it comes up
L2422[13:16:54] <Inari> *she
L2423[13:16:55] <S3> lol
L2424[13:18:04] <MajGenRelativity> lol
L2425[13:18:10] <MajGenRelativity> XP01 has no userinfo
L2426[13:18:20] * XP01 is not a user
L2427[13:18:27] <MajGenRelativity> that explains a lot
L2428[13:18:57] <MajGenRelativity> ?
L2429[13:19:04] <infina> ...
L2430[13:19:10] <SkySom> ...
L2431[13:19:15] <Inari> noone wiht kvirc here :<
L2432[13:19:40] <Inari> i wonder how kvirc finds out which user uses kvirc thouhg Oo
L2433[13:19:42] * XP01 crahes
L2434[13:19:47] * XP01 crashesslskd
L2435[13:19:47] <Inari> since it doesnt just seem to ctcp AVATAR to everyone
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L2437[13:19:50] <g> Inari, VERSION?
L2438[13:19:52] <infina> Inari: S3 is running IRC off a potato...
L2439[13:19:58] <S3> Inari: because kvirc stinks
L2440[13:19:59] <Inari> but version can return crap
L2441[13:20:06] <MajGenRelativity> ey
L2442[13:20:09] <MajGenRelativity> bye
L2443[13:20:09] <g> it's all you'd have
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L2445[13:21:25] <Inari> maybe it only asks the ones it has gender info for too
L2446[13:21:48] <S3> vifino: so I need some ideas
L2447[13:22:00] <vifino> Oh boy.
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L2449[13:25:26] <g> Inari: actually kvirc might have an online record of who's connected where, like mibbit does for typing notifications
L2450[13:25:50] <Inari> doubt that tbh
L2451[13:26:02] <g> well, it's oss right?
L2452[13:26:03] <g> :P
L2453[13:26:58] <SkySom> I've never even heard of kvirc
L2454[13:27:09] <g> http://www.kvirc.net/
L2455[13:27:11] <g> now you have
L2456[13:27:38] <g> last release: july 2012
L2457[13:29:00] <Inari> g: yeah, official release
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L2459[13:29:42] <Inari> g: sure but i couldnt be bothered digging into the code just for that :P
L2460[13:29:49] <Inari> especially as big parts of it arent exactly what i'd call pretty
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L2462[13:34:38] <g> hmm
L2463[13:34:54] <g> oh, avatars are just links
L2464[13:34:56] <g> that makes life easier
L2465[13:35:12] <g> thought it'd be a b64'd image but then I remembered IRC message lengths
L2466[13:49:16] <Michiyo> Inari, btw, it sent a CTCP AVATAR to the entire channel, it doesn't do it to each user. I'm assuming kvirc just responds to that..
L2467[13:49:43] <Inari> Michiyo: well that was me sending it thouhg
L2468[13:50:25] <Michiyo> Ah, I thought it had done that.. Ignore me then.
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L2476[14:23:59] <Michiyo> Ugh... teeth are lame.
L2477[14:24:05] <g> useful though
L2478[14:24:07] <g> also, o/
L2479[14:24:08] <g> how's the shop today?
L2480[14:24:11] <Michiyo> \o
L2481[14:24:17] <Michiyo> Slow... as usual
L2482[14:24:34] <g> are you in a small town, or?
L2483[14:24:50] <Michiyo> 6 customers, $56
L2484[14:24:58] <Michiyo> Erm... 8k people I think
L2485[14:25:15] <g> fairly small then
L2486[14:25:30] <g> mind you, mine is 2175
L2487[14:25:33] <g> (2011)
L2488[14:25:38] <g> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenmare
L2489[14:25:57] <Michiyo> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wynne,_Arkansas
L2490[14:26:45] <g> yeah, definitely much bigger than ours
L2491[14:26:52] <Michiyo> Anyway, tooth ache, causing a huge headache
L2492[14:27:02] <g> I ask because a store like radioshack wouldn't work out well here at all
L2493[14:27:05] <g> ah, yeah, that sucks
L2494[14:27:21] <Michiyo> Means I get to spend my day off tomorrow at the dentist, assuming Naomi can get me an appointment
L2495[14:27:54] <g> welp, hopefully it's nothing serious
L2496[14:28:56] <Michiyo> Well... it's a cavity :/ I can't afford to fill it right now..
L2497[14:29:02] <g> D:
L2498[14:29:03] <Michiyo> so my only choice is live with the pain..
L2499[14:29:03] <Stary2001> ouch :/
L2500[14:29:05] <Michiyo> or pull it
L2501[14:29:07] * Stary2001 hugs Michiyo
L2502[14:29:14] <g> I've had teeth pulled before (for my braces)
L2503[14:29:14] <g> not fun
L2504[14:29:38] <Michiyo> This is right next to where my top wisdom tooth was... when they pulled it it opened up the cavity
L2505[14:29:48] <g> whoops
L2506[14:30:19] <Michiyo> My wisdom teeth never full came in.. so they just sat right at the gum line and would get infected and shit
L2507[14:30:51] <Michiyo> Oh man.. major lag to Bast ._.
L2508[14:30:55] <Michiyo> whyyyy
L2509[14:30:56] <Michiyo> %p
L2510[14:30:58] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Michiyo 0.17s
L2511[14:31:03] <Michiyo> yeah and it's not bast..
L2512[14:32:53] <Michiyo> Also..
L2513[14:32:58] * Michiyo hugs Stary2001 back
L2514[14:33:00] <Michiyo> :p
L2515[14:33:24] <g> bast?
L2516[14:33:47] <Michiyo> Bast is my mail server, also the server that hosts this copy of mIRC
L2517[14:33:50] <Michiyo> I RDP into it from work
L2518[14:33:55] <Stary2001> lel
L2519[14:34:28] <g> mail.pc-logix.com? sec
L2520[14:34:47] <Michiyo> It used to host a Space Engineers server.. but I got yelled at for that
L2521[14:34:56] <Michiyo> and yes, mail.pc-logix.com :P
L2522[14:35:41] <g> ...
L2523[14:35:42] <g> well
L2524[14:35:56] <g> it turns out
L2525[14:35:56] <g> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1547120/ShareX/2016/January/root%40cherry_~_2016-01-14_20-35-58.png
L2526[14:36:01] <g> you're in the same datacentre
L2527[14:36:03] <g> so I can't help much
L2528[14:36:03] <g> xD
L2529[14:36:19] <Michiyo> lmao
L2530[14:36:33] <g> DATACENTRE BUDDIES
L2531[14:36:33] <Michiyo> I'm pretty sure the lag was from my local connection
L2532[14:36:40] <Michiyo> woo hoo
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L2535[14:43:09] zsh sets mode: +v on Kodos
L2536[14:47:48] <Kodos> Anything new?
L2537[14:48:53] <Michiyo> My phone seems to favor Fear Factory when shuffling music... does that count?
L2538[14:49:36] <Michiyo> Of course... I DO have their discography on here.. so there is LOTS of Fear Factory...
L2539[14:51:37] <Kodos> Heh
L2540[14:53:42] <Dashkal> I read "Fear Factory" and immediately the background music for the industrial levels in donkey kong country 1 starts playing in my head.
L2541[15:04:21] <Michiyo> lol
L2542[15:04:40] <Michiyo> Man... one guy just spent more then the last 6 people combined... thanks dude..
L2543[15:04:50] <Michiyo> Still below goal for the day though
L2544[15:05:07] <Kodos> Commission?
L2545[15:05:13] <Michiyo> Thankfully no
L2546[15:05:28] <Vexatos> Dashkal, sooo tre
L2547[15:05:30] <Michiyo> I'd be crying a lot if so
L2548[15:05:30] <Vexatos> sooooooooooo true
L2549[15:06:04] <Vexatos> Dashkal, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o_B_qGoZ8A :3
L2550[15:06:04] <MichiBot> Vexatos: Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze Soundtrack - Frozen Frenzy ~ Fear Factory | length: 6m 11s | Likes: 443 Dislikes: 7 Views: 97373 | by piplupwater
L2551[15:06:14] <Dashkal> ooo
L2552[15:06:53] <Vexatos> Yup yup
L2553[15:07:05] <g> tropical freeze has some good music
L2554[15:07:06] <Vexatos> Dashkal, that sound track has a bunch of remixes
L2555[15:07:16] <Vexatos> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op5wrzdT3oo&list=PLCAKOz0OX3_PMfgFMdz3M_2r0dY7zth7x&index=23
L2556[15:07:16] <MichiBot> Vexatos: Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze Soundtrack - Rodent Ruckus | length: 3m 46s | Likes: 346 Dislikes: 2 Views: 68898 | by piplupwater
L2557[15:07:19] <Vexatos> that for example
L2558[15:07:28] <Vexatos> one of my favourite
L2559[15:07:33] <Vexatos> s/te/tes
L2560[15:07:33] <MichiBot> <Vexatos> one of my favourites
L2561[15:08:42] <Vexatos> actually https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsr15pt7zhM is probably better, not quite sure
L2562[15:08:42] <MichiBot> Vexatos: Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze Soundtrack - Reckless Ride | length: 4m 8s | Likes: 158 Dislikes: 1 Views: 47234 | by piplupwater
L2563[15:08:44] <Dashkal> One of these days I'll learn how to manually bluetooth on linux... I refuse to use a proper desktop env, making it a real pita
L2564[15:08:55] <Dashkal> There we go, audios
L2565[15:09:13] <g> why do you refuse?
L2566[15:09:29] <Dashkal> I keep my setup super minimal. tiling window manager, one status bar. no system tray.
L2567[15:09:46] <Dashkal> Audio issues aside, it works well for me.
L2568[15:09:57] <g> anyway, bluetoothctl
L2569[15:10:04] <g> http://www.bluez.org/
L2570[15:10:07] <Dashkal> Currently using blueman
L2571[15:10:13] <Dashkal> bluetoothctl directly didn't get me far
L2572[15:10:29] <Michiyo> woo made $30 more this week than my first week
L2573[15:10:52] <g> oh, are you on arch?
L2574[15:10:56] <Dashkal> I am
L2575[15:10:57] <Michiyo> Got a $.50 raise \o/
L2576[15:10:59] <Lizzy> urghh, trying to branch in git is annoying
L2577[15:11:00] <Stary2001> :>
L2578[15:11:02] <g> ah
L2579[15:11:04] <g> lost cause then
L2580[15:11:06] <g> gotcha
L2581[15:11:06] <g> :P
L2582[15:11:08] <Dashkal> :P
L2583[15:11:11] <Dashkal> You are indeed correct
L2584[15:11:24] <Dashkal> I blame nobody but myself for issues like that.
L2585[15:12:10] <g> you should be using gentoo (seriously)
L2586[15:12:15] <g> it's the natural fix to arch
L2587[15:12:39] <g> the natural solution as it were
L2588[15:13:45] <Dashkal> Tried that. After the third time being unable to emerge world I gave up on it
L2589[15:13:47] <Dashkal> Food time
L2590[15:14:26] <Inari> Michiyo: 60 hour week? Oo
L2591[15:14:42] <g> well I can hardly talk
L2592[15:14:45] <g> I use ubuntu server
L2593[15:14:47] <g> but yeah, no arch for me
L2594[15:15:37] <Lizzy> grr
L2595[15:17:19] <Michiyo> Inari 37 hour
L2596[15:17:53] <______> That... doesn't add up?
L2597[15:18:05] <g> did the blank space get larger?
L2598[15:18:11] *** ______ is now known as _________
L2599[15:18:13] <Michiyo> g, yes
L2600[15:18:16] <g> well then
L2601[15:18:17] <g> lol
L2602[15:19:14] <Michiyo> I also only had 35.5 hours dfirst week
L2603[15:19:55] *** cbcercas is now known as cbcercas|AFK
L2604[15:20:53] <Michiyo> boss in afk
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L2607[15:24:03] <sugoi> gamax92: yo
L2608[15:24:13] <sugoi> your updates are nice -- no more timeouts on ui writes
L2609[15:24:21] <sugoi> (i used to put sleeps for long writes)
L2610[15:29:21] * Lizzy is creating spahgetti trees with her bot's repo
L2611[15:29:31] <Lizzy> when you look at it via the tree mode anyway
L2612[15:31:41] <Kodos> People are assholes
L2613[15:33:03] <Stary2001> :D
L2614[15:33:11] * Lizzy is currently going through her bot's commit list to see if she accedentially commited passwords anywhere
L2615[15:33:26] <Stary2001> Lizzy: i've done that like twice
L2616[15:33:28] <Stary2001> its ok
L2617[15:38:52] <CompanionCube> git-filter-branch op?
L2618[15:40:05] <sugoi> Kodos: what peoples?
L2619[15:41:01] <Michiyo> oh em eff gee, annoying twat waffle from sears is annoying, and a twat waffle
L2620[15:41:10] <Kodos> A server I play on
L2621[15:41:28] <Kodos> tl;dr people are exploiting, I told them they probably shouldn't, they started following me and killing me constantly
L2622[15:41:33] <Lizzy> CompanionCube, well, the master branch had extra commits in it after the point where i had split off to a new branch from, which meant merging/reverting was going to be a pain
L2623[15:41:35] <Kodos> Then spawn camped me until I logged
L2624[15:41:51] <Michiyo> wow...
L2625[15:42:02] <Michiyo> %mcinfo midori.pc-logix.com 25560
L2626[15:42:03] <MichiBot> Michiyo: Server info: Version: 1.7.10 MOTD: PC-Logix Minecraft Players: 0/1024
L2627[15:42:06] <Michiyo> yay it's still up
L2628[15:42:21] <Michiyo> And reporting a little less stupidly
L2629[15:43:01] <sugoi> how do i undo reset commit mixed?
L2630[15:43:04] <Izaya> 0/1024
L2631[15:43:09] <sugoi> i want to match origin/this_branch again
L2632[15:43:09] <Izaya> that's BTM-grade
L2633[15:45:21] <Michiyo> :P
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L2635[15:46:44] <Inari> sugoi: what
L2636[15:49:33] <greaser|q> i remember back in the days of 0.23_01 or something like that when there was a server that claimed to have 1000 clients
L2637[15:49:44] <greaser|q> wasn't much long after that where i learnt that the protocol can't handle that
L2638[15:49:49] ⇦ Quits: vifino (vifino@tty.sh) (Quit: Who turned this off?! D:<)
L2639[15:49:52] <Kodos> https://gyazo.com/3f60c242757a0f580922ba73e296ef1e =D
L2640[15:50:05] <greaser|q> the classic protocol can only handle up to 127 clients from what i gather
L2641[15:50:10] <greaser|q> well, players
L2642[15:50:34] <greaser|q> you'd have to do some pretty funky visibility logic to have more clients
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L2644[15:53:53] <Inari> Kodos: whats that
L2645[15:54:25] <Kodos> Greatwood planks with thaumium block inlay
L2646[15:54:26] <sugoi> Inari: i got it worked out, nvm
L2647[15:55:16] <Lizzy> oh good, when i added the password loading stuff i created a blank file then added it to the gitignore in the next commit so i wouldn't auto-push it
L2648[15:56:10] <Inari> lol
L2649[15:56:14] <Inari> so you can OS it now?
L2650[15:56:57] <Lizzy> not quite yet, still making sure i didn't fuck up elsewhere
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L2652[15:59:07] ⇨ Joins: vifino (vifino@tty.sh)
L2653[16:00:10] <SuPeRMiNoR2> All your password are belong to us
L2654[16:00:46] <Lizzy> go away microsoft
L2655[16:01:35] <Inari> MinorSoft
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L2657[16:02:29] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Version 10!
L2658[16:03:04] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Now with built in keylogger
L2659[16:03:45] * vifino flops on Lizzy
L2660[16:03:53] * Lizzy pets vifino
L2661[16:03:59] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I gotta get a new username
L2662[16:04:02] * vifino purrs
L2663[16:04:32] <Kodos> Submajor
L2664[16:04:49] <_________> SuPeRTiNfOiL3
L2665[16:04:51] <Kodos> Also, it looks like Soundlogic's name unregistered
L2666[16:04:56] <vifino> Soopamugger3
L2667[16:05:01] *** Daiyousei is now known as SleepingFairy
L2668[16:05:09] <_________> shit3
L2669[16:05:24] <_________> It's pronounced "shee threed"
L2670[16:05:39] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I'll pass on that
L2671[16:05:52] <_________> SuPeRMiNoR2: You just just be ___
L2672[16:06:02] <_________> I don't know which number of underscores I registered tho
L2673[16:06:06] <_________> ______?
L2674[16:06:15] <sugoi> hahaha
L2675[16:06:25] <Inari> well
L2676[16:06:26] <_________> Oh, I registered ___
L2677[16:06:26] <sugoi> "I don't know which numbero f underscores I registered tho"
L2678[16:06:28] <sugoi> nice
L2679[16:06:31] <Inari> if you grouped them with your nick thats easy to find out
L2680[16:06:42] <_________> Oh yeah, that reminds me
L2681[16:06:44] <_________> I need to hash table
L2682[16:06:46] *** _________ is now known as {}
L2683[16:06:52] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Bleah
L2684[16:08:11] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Hmm
L2685[16:08:53] <{}> 3 years on esper is such a long time
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L2688[16:11:47] <Lizzy> right, the next (and currently, in dev) version of my irc bot is publically accessible
L2689[16:12:23] ⇨ Joins: Thorinori (webchat@host-72-174-2-236.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net)
L2690[16:12:23] <Lizzy> and now, bed
L2691[16:12:37] * vifino picks up Lizzy and carries her to bed
L2692[16:13:13] <Thorinori> Yo
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L2694[16:15:01] <Thorinori> Anyone know how the agricraft integration works?
L2695[16:16:46] <Kodos> Adapter next to the analyzer or seed storage, I forget which
L2696[16:17:27] <{}> I want to play Cities Skylines but my laptop graphics are too shit
L2697[16:17:32] <{}> I have enough memory for it now
L2698[16:17:39] <{}> But .-.
L2699[16:17:58] <Thorinori> Ah ok ty
L2700[16:18:05] <Thorinori> I hear dosmething about beign able to interact with crops with OC
L2701[16:19:20] <Kodos> maybe, try sticking an adapter next to a cropstick with crop on it
L2702[16:23:34] <Thorinori> tried that, nothing showed in com ponents
L2703[16:23:49] <Thorinori> migh tneed a controller
L2704[16:24:20] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Lizzy: where is enderbot located?
L2705[16:31:09] ⇨ Joins: cpup (~cpup@32.218.113.12)
L2706[16:35:54] <g> SuPeRMiNoR2: looks like france
L2707[16:36:01] <g> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1547120/ShareX/2016/January/GeoIP2_Database_Demo__MaxMind_-_Mozilla_Firefox_2016-01-14_22-36-04.png
L2708[16:36:51] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I meant the source
L2709[16:37:00] <vifino> SuPeRMiNoR2: It's not open source.
L2710[16:37:27] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Lizzy right, the next (and currently, in dev) version of my irc bot is publically accessible
L2711[16:37:34] <g> SuPeRMiNoR2: are you looking to run your own, or?
L2712[16:37:41] <SuPeRMiNoR2> No, I have my own
L2713[16:37:52] <g> ah, okay
L2714[16:37:53] <vifino> SuPeRMiNoR2: Yes, the next one. Not EnderBot2.
L2715[16:38:03] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Oh, makes sense
L2716[16:38:29] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Idk if superbot still works
L2717[16:39:08] <g> superbot?
L2718[16:39:10] <g> supybot?
L2719[16:39:25] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Superbot. Like my name
L2720[16:39:31] <g> oh, right, lol
L2721[16:39:35] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Unrelated to supybot
L2722[16:39:41] <vifino> soapbot
L2723[16:39:48] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Bases off of some of Lizzy's code, and some of mine
L2724[16:39:49] <g> soapbox!
L2725[16:39:53] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Based*
L2726[16:40:02] <SuPeRMiNoR2> It is some messy code
L2727[16:40:07] <g> sorry to jump in, by the way, I have an OSS bot project as well so discussions interest me
L2728[16:40:58] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I think that talking is the point of irc XD
L2729[16:41:06] <g> yeah, well, yknow :P
L2730[16:41:24] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Superbot is so screwed up, it is not much use
L2731[16:41:31] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Other then generating insults
L2732[16:41:37] <SuPeRMiNoR2> It is good at that
L2733[16:41:45] <g> lol
L2734[16:41:46] <Michiyo> MichiBot is opensource too.. and also shitty :p
L2735[16:41:52] <g> Ultros has a jargon generator
L2736[16:41:57] <g> could probably make it do insults too
L2737[16:42:07] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Michiyo: it is also java, right?
L2738[16:42:12] <Michiyo> Yeah
L2739[16:42:26] <Michiyo> I started MichiBot to learn more java
L2740[16:42:38] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Superbot3 is a lot better, it uses the same irc lib as enderbot
L2741[16:42:52] <SuPeRMiNoR2> But does not have much features
L2742[16:42:53] <g> what language?
L2743[16:42:56] <g> brb
L2744[16:42:57] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Python
L2745[16:43:12] <Michiyo> bleeeeeeh 45 minutes
L2746[16:43:28] <vifino> SuPeRMiNoR2: asm irc bot when
L2747[16:43:46] <vifino> actually, let me try to do sockets in asm
L2748[16:43:49] <vifino> :D
L2749[16:43:52] <SuPeRMiNoR2> When hell freezes over with flying pigs
L2750[16:44:19] <Michiyo> Someone loan me $250 so I can goto the dentist... I'll pay you pack in like 2-3 weeks
L2751[16:44:40] * Antheus gives Michiyo some pocket lint
L2752[16:44:45] <Michiyo> q_q
L2753[16:44:59] <Michiyo> also..
L2754[16:45:04] <Michiyo> s/pack/back/
L2755[16:45:04] <MichiBot> <Michiyo> Someone loan me $250 so I can goto the dentist... I'll pay you back in like 2-3 weeks
L2756[16:45:05] * vifino gives Michiyo a dollar and a fly
L2757[16:45:09] <vifino> I've catched it myself.
L2758[16:45:16] <Michiyo> lol..
L2759[16:45:22] <Antheus> Vifino the Venus Fly Trap
L2760[16:45:26] <vifino> The dollar and the fly.
L2761[16:45:27] <g> SuPeRMiNoR2: Yay, python!
L2762[16:45:37] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I love me some python
L2763[16:45:49] <g> if you're bored enough, we're over at https://ultros.io
L2764[16:45:54] <g> site needs a remake, but.. whatever
L2765[16:45:54] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I need to update to python3
L2766[16:45:59] <g> we'd like to
L2767[16:46:00] <g> but, twisted
L2768[16:46:56] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I'll check it out once I am not watching a movie
L2769[16:47:03] <g> alright
L2770[16:47:06] <SuPeRMiNoR2> and not on my phone
L2771[16:47:13] <g> note that it's not strictly an IRC bot
L2772[16:47:19] <g> so some things might seem a bit odd
L2773[16:47:23] <Antheus> :(
L2774[16:47:28] <g> :(?
L2775[16:47:37] <vifino> Antheus: I'm a cat, thank you very much.
L2776[16:47:44] <vifino> Actually.
L2777[16:47:45] <Antheus> common mistake
L2778[16:47:48] <vifino> s/thank/fuck/
L2779[16:47:49] <MichiBot> <vifino> Antheus: I'm a cat, fuck you very much.
L2780[16:47:59] <Antheus> vifino, what's wrong with you today
L2781[16:48:02] ⇨ Joins: MajGenRelativity (~Hi@2600:1000:b03a:b4f0:0:57:65b:f701)
L2782[16:48:04] <g> ...the codename for fedora 23 is Twenty Three
L2783[16:48:07] <Antheus> more agressive than normal
L2784[16:48:07] * g sighs
L2785[16:48:18] <Michiyo> lol... nice
L2786[16:48:28] <MajGenRelativity> I did it
L2787[16:48:40] <Michiyo> moar fear factory
L2788[16:48:41] <SoraFirestorm> Hey everyone
L2789[16:48:42] <Michiyo> o/
L2790[16:48:44] <SoraFirestorm> Back again
L2791[16:48:45] <vifino> g: Better than ubuntu's newest codename: Wily wonka. Or something like that.
L2792[16:48:46] <Michiyo> \o/
L2793[16:48:47] <vifino> I dunno.
L2794[16:48:50] <g> vifino: lol
L2795[16:48:54] <MajGenRelativity> I made the mental breakthroughs necessary to push TACEATS1 to completion
L2796[16:49:08] <g> vifino: wait, you don't know who willy wonka was?
L2797[16:49:13] <g> or, is, I guess
L2798[16:49:20] <Michiyo> 40 minutes.
L2799[16:49:20] <vifino> g: I do.
L2800[16:49:23] <g> ah, okay
L2801[16:49:28] <Michiyo> well... 40.5 minutes :p
L2802[16:49:30] <vifino> These release notes for Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf)
L2803[16:49:31] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Michiyo: you remember superbot's insult generator, right?
L2804[16:49:33] <vifino> Wily Werewolf.
L2805[16:49:39] <MajGenRelativity> It was not the file reading, the file writing
L2806[16:49:39] <Michiyo> SuPeRMiNoR2 sadly, yes
L2807[16:49:43] <g> Wily Werewolf, yeah
L2808[16:50:02] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Do you also remember the oen
L2809[16:50:04] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Pen
L2810[16:50:08] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Damn
L2811[16:50:09] <g> SuPeRMiNoR2: if you're wondering about jargon, you can /msg Ultros .jargon / .jargon corporate
L2812[16:50:21] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Open security "thing"
L2813[16:50:34] <Michiyo> SuPeRMiNoR2 also, sadly, yes.
L2814[16:50:39] <SuPeRMiNoR2> XD
L2815[16:51:10] <Michiyo> IIRC< you can totally do that with MassSound though since gamax92 accepted the PR
L2816[16:51:29] <Michiyo> I'm pretty sure we have the version with my PR added..
L2817[16:51:34] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Something will be massive alright
L2818[16:51:39] *** amadornes is now known as amadornes[OFF]
L2819[16:51:42] <g> gotta run, night all
L2820[16:51:45] *** g is now known as gAway2002
L2821[16:51:48] <Michiyo> o/ gamax92
L2822[16:51:49] <Michiyo> err
L2823[16:51:51] <gAway2002> mwahaha
L2824[16:51:52] <Michiyo> o/ gAway2002
L2825[16:51:52] <SuPeRMiNoR2> o/ g
L2826[16:51:59] <gAway2002> YOU GOT NICKBOMBED
L2827[16:52:01] <gAway2002> alright, night :P
L2828[16:52:01] <Michiyo> stupid fucking mIRC.
L2829[16:52:07] <gAway2002> that'd work
L2830[16:52:09] <gAway2002> I just changed nick
L2831[16:52:09] <MajGenRelativity> Lol
L2832[16:52:10] <gAway2002> night :P
L2833[16:52:47] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I don't think it is necessary to tab complete a one letter name
L2834[16:53:36] <Michiyo> I was tabbing to his full new nick..
L2835[16:54:11] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Yeah I am just being a dick
L2836[16:54:20] <vifino> Wait.
L2837[16:54:21] <Michiyo> You do it so well.
L2838[16:54:22] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I'm pretty good at that
L2839[16:54:22] <vifino> :O
L2840[16:54:26] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Thanks
L2841[16:54:35] <vifino> I don't even have to write the socket parts in asm.
L2842[16:54:39] <vifino> I can just abuse socat!
L2843[16:54:49] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Sodog
L2844[16:54:56] <vifino> socat tcp:irc.esper.net:6667 exec:bot
L2845[16:54:58] <vifino> :D
L2846[16:56:13] * MajGenRelativity cheers
L2847[16:56:36] <MajGenRelativity> I am also pleased about the impending release of TACEATS1
L2848[16:56:49] <SoraFirestorm> Please expand TACEATS
L2849[16:57:03] <MajGenRelativity> Total Area Computing Environment and Tactical System
L2850[16:57:16] <MajGenRelativity> Edition 1
L2851[16:57:34] <SoraFirestorm> This is something for OC or... ?
L2852[16:57:37] <MajGenRelativity> The most streamlined security solution of the TACEATS series
L2853[16:57:57] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I was hoping for taco eats
L2854[16:57:58] <MajGenRelativity> All versions prior to 3172 are for MC
L2855[16:58:08] <MajGenRelativity> 3172 kills people in real life
L2856[16:58:17] <MajGenRelativity> Editions, not versions
L2857[16:58:18] <SoraFirestorm> oh
L2858[16:58:19] <SoraFirestorm> nice
L2859[16:58:45] <MajGenRelativity> Editions are separated from versions
L2860[16:59:14] <MajGenRelativity> SoraFirestorm, you should join my server and see it in a few days
L2861[16:59:34] <MajGenRelativity> %p
L2862[16:59:36] <MichiBot> Ping reply from MajGenRelativity 0.46s
L2863[16:59:52] <MajGenRelativity> %p
L2864[16:59:53] <MichiBot> Ping reply from MajGenRelativity 0.39s
L2865[16:59:56] <SoraFirestorm> %p
L2866[16:59:57] <MichiBot> Ping reply from SoraFirestorm 0.42s
L2867[17:00:04] <SuPeRMiNoR2> %p
L2868[17:00:06] <SoraFirestorm> Acceptable
L2869[17:00:07] <MichiBot> Ping reply from SuPeRMiNoR2 0.41s
L2870[17:00:13] <SuPeRMiNoR2> %p
L2871[17:00:14] <MichiBot> Ping reply from SuPeRMiNoR2 0.39s
L2872[17:00:21] <MajGenRelativity> %p
L2873[17:00:22] <MichiBot> Ping reply from MajGenRelativity 0.38s
L2874[17:00:26] <MajGenRelativity> Sniped
L2875[17:00:28] <SuPeRMiNoR2> It is better to have a short pingas
L2876[17:00:35] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Oddly enough
L2877[17:00:46] <MajGenRelativity> %p
L2878[17:00:47] <MichiBot> Ping reply from MajGenRelativity 0.36s
L2879[17:00:54] <SuPeRMiNoR2> %p
L2880[17:00:56] <MichiBot> Ping reply from SuPeRMiNoR2 0.4s
L2881[17:01:02] <SuPeRMiNoR2> For real
L2882[17:01:10] <MajGenRelativity> He he
L2883[17:01:21] <SuPeRMiNoR2> My server is in the same damn datacenter
L2884[17:01:24] *** Jared is now known as Jared|Away
L2885[17:01:26] <MajGenRelativity> Lol
L2886[17:02:00] <MajGenRelativity> Super, get rekt by 4G LTE
L2887[17:02:06] <Izaya> I wonder if we'll ever see any code for TACEATS
L2888[17:02:13] <MajGenRelativity> Izaya, yes
L2889[17:02:30] <MajGenRelativity> Properly protected by copyright of course
L2890[17:02:33] <Michiyo> %p
L2891[17:02:34] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Michiyo 0.2s
L2892[17:02:35] <Izaya> oh wow
L2893[17:02:37] <Izaya> copyright
L2894[17:02:39] <Michiyo> SuPeRMiNoR2 ^ :P
L2895[17:02:42] <SuPeRMiNoR2> MajGenRelativity: I am on LTE too
L2896[17:02:44] * Izaya looks at his copy of windows
L2897[17:02:49] <MajGenRelativity> Ah
L2898[17:02:52] <Izaya> because that stopped anyone
L2899[17:03:04] <MajGenRelativity> I can legally sue you
L2900[17:03:07] <Michiyo> 27 minutes.
L2901[17:03:18] <Izaya> over publicly-released source code
L2902[17:03:24] <Izaya> being used by someone
L2903[17:03:28] <greaser|q> i think my 802.11 can beat your LTE in the face
L2904[17:03:28] <Izaya> in a different country
L2905[17:03:28] <Izaya> k
L2906[17:03:31] <MajGenRelativity> It will be copyrighted, not publicly released
L2907[17:03:49] <SoraFirestorm> Izaya: that is a specific case with Windows
L2908[17:03:52] <MajGenRelativity> Look, but not touch
L2909[17:03:58] <Izaya> that's not very free software of you, MajGenRelativity
L2910[17:04:04] <Izaya> do you use Windows or OS X, too?
L2911[17:04:07] <SoraFirestorm> Izaya: 1. Microsoft is making tons of money even with the pirates
L2912[17:04:08] <MajGenRelativity> Izaya, it is temporary
L2913[17:04:28] <SoraFirestorm> Izaya: 2. Microsoft leaves you alone for the most part so you get addicted to their drugs
L2914[17:04:40] <Izaya> SoraFirestorm, yeah, it pisses me off that piracy of Windows benefits MS but I can't afford a copy of Windows to play Mad Max on
L2915[17:04:47] <SoraFirestorm> They took that course of action in the pass at least
L2916[17:04:53] <MajGenRelativity> When TACEATS2 comes out, Edition 1 will be in the public domain, outside of the world of Yuon
L2917[17:05:13] <Izaya> why not just open-source it from the start?
L2918[17:05:18] <MajGenRelativity> Because
L2919[17:05:20] <greaser|q> my inner conspiracy theorist is asking this question, how much are microsoft and/or apple paying kay sievers
L2920[17:05:29] <SoraFirestorm> greaser|q: lolololol
L2921[17:05:33] <MajGenRelativity> Anything above Edition 3 is very good
L2922[17:05:42] ⇦ Quits: Thorinori (webchat@host-72-174-2-236.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net) (Ping timeout: 204 seconds)
L2923[17:05:51] <MajGenRelativity> I want to be able to break into people's bases
L2924[17:05:53] <SoraFirestorm> MajGenRelativity: what pack?
L2925[17:06:00] <MajGenRelativity> Sora, custom
L2926[17:06:19] <greaser|q> here's the fun thing, if microsoft were to release windows free of charge for all, but keep charging for office...
L2927[17:06:19] <Izaya> greaser|q, haha
L2928[17:06:32] <MajGenRelativity> Izaya, if I open source it, I will get my fantastic security system used against mr
L2929[17:06:33] <Izaya> libreoffice ftw?
L2930[17:06:35] <MajGenRelativity> Me*
L2931[17:06:38] <greaser|q> iirc windows is typically $200 for a basic package and office is more like $500
L2932[17:06:42] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Pfff, I don't need office
L2933[17:06:47] <Izaya> MajGenRelativity, why not just make it good enough to withstand that?
L2934[17:06:48] <Izaya> Like
L2935[17:06:53] <MajGenRelativity> Windows 10 was $100 for me
L2936[17:06:57] <SuPeRMiNoR2> As Izaya said: libreoffice ftw
L2937[17:07:06] <Izaya> If someone using your software is enough to render yours moot
L2938[17:07:10] <Izaya> it's not very good software
L2939[17:07:14] <Izaya> and even worse security
L2940[17:07:15] <greaser|q> another fun thing, amiga kickstart is harder to get for free* than windows is
L2941[17:07:17] <MajGenRelativity> It is for defense
L2942[17:07:19] <MajGenRelativity> Not attack
L2943[17:07:25] <Izaya> do
L2944[17:07:26] <Izaya> so
L2945[17:07:28] <Izaya> what's the issue?
L2946[17:07:39] <greaser|q> actually, pretty sure a functioning copy of workbench is easier to get than kickstart itself
L2947[17:07:43] <MajGenRelativity> I want to raid people's bases eventually
L2948[17:07:55] <MajGenRelativity> If I open source, it makes that very hard
L2949[17:07:57] <greaser|q> in short fuck cloanto
L2950[17:08:05] <Izaya> MajGenRelativity, I highly doubt that
L2951[17:08:09] <MajGenRelativity> Why?
L2952[17:08:15] <Izaya> It'd be pretty hard to use OC to secure a base
L2953[17:08:20] <MajGenRelativity> Oh yes
L2954[17:08:23] <MajGenRelativity> Yes it would
L2955[17:08:37] <Pwootage> Evening~
L2956[17:08:45] <MajGenRelativity> However, TACEATS 3 and up make it easier
L2957[17:08:50] <Izaya> I sorta want to play with this just to break it
L2958[17:09:07] <MajGenRelativity> Just stick radars, holos, and robots, and you get very good base defense
L2959[17:09:24] <greaser|q> oh yeah that's right, need to pester asiekierka to get me set up with MCP so i can fix the computronics camera module
L2960[17:09:26] <Izaya> oh yes because robots are any use for defense
L2961[17:09:28] <Michiyo> o/ @Pwootage
L2962[17:09:32] <Pwootage> I have yet to build a building in Minecraft that can't be breached (I have som eideas, though)
L2963[17:09:42] <greaser|q> the camera module uses an enum direction rather than two angles
L2964[17:09:49] <MajGenRelativity> Izaya, they can if coordinated
L2965[17:09:49] <MajGenRelativity> And using maxed rapiers
L2966[17:09:56] <SuPeRMiNoR2> What is this TACEATS
L2967[17:10:01] <Izaya> SuPeRMiNoR2, vaporware
L2968[17:10:06] <SuPeRMiNoR2> An oc program?
L2969[17:10:11] <Izaya> supposedly
L2970[17:10:17] <MajGenRelativity> Total Area ComputingEnvironmentandTacticalSystem
L2971[17:10:20] <Izaya> we've seen no code and apparently it won't be open-source
L2972[17:10:33] <Pwootage> Ha, a non-open source lua program
L2973[17:10:34] <MajGenRelativity> Some editions will eventually be open source ish
L2974[17:10:35] <Pwootage> nice one
L2975[17:10:43] <Izaya> My thoughts exactly
L2976[17:10:48] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Couldnt tell if it was supposed to be mod or something
L2977[17:10:52] <greaser|q> afaik OC blocks use of lua bytecode
L2978[17:10:56] <Izaya> There was actually this cool game I played a while
L2979[17:10:57] <MajGenRelativity> Izaya, I released some code a couple of weeks ago
L2980[17:11:06] <greaser|q> so you'll probably have to go with the closed-source computer mod ;)
L2981[17:11:08] <Pwootage> Yeah you can't use bytecode in OC right now
L2982[17:11:08] <Izaya> a top-down roguelike shooter
L2983[17:11:17] <Izaya> greaser|q, CC doesn't support loading bytecode
L2984[17:11:24] <greaser|q> i thought it did for a bit
L2985[17:11:31] <Izaya> because it can't handle the MSB in a byte
L2986[17:11:31] <Michiyo> I need to work on the lasers in OS more.
L2987[17:11:48] <CompanionCube> I expect that the source code will very easily be leaked
L2988[17:11:49] <MajGenRelativity> Izaya, I released code before
L2989[17:11:52] <SoraFirestorm> You *can* use bytecode
L2990[17:12:00] <SoraFirestorm> But you have to explicitly allow it
L2991[17:12:01] <MajGenRelativity> CompanionCube, it will not be functional
L2992[17:12:03] <Michiyo> they *work* right now.. but... I don't like how they work
L2993[17:12:05] <SoraFirestorm> It's not on by default
L2994[17:12:09] <Izaya> CompanionCube, I almost want to break into his base on that server
L2995[17:12:13] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Really though, if you lose all security from people seeing the source, your security was shitty anyway
L2996[17:12:21] <Izaya> ^
L2997[17:12:23] <SoraFirestorm> ^
L2998[17:12:25] <MajGenRelativity> Each edition will require activation by md
L2999[17:12:28] <MajGenRelativity> Me*
L3000[17:12:35] <MajGenRelativity> Super, I don't lose security
L3001[17:12:35] <Izaya> security by obscurity is not security
L3002[17:12:38] <CompanionCube> one does not simply
L3003[17:12:40] <Pwootage> Security through obscurity is not security
L3004[17:12:41] <MajGenRelativity> Others gain security
L3005[17:12:43] <Izaya> and that sounds basically like bullshit
L3006[17:12:44] <Pwootage> AAH SOMEON BEAT ME
L3007[17:12:53] <SoraFirestorm> lol
L3008[17:12:54] <CompanionCube> use DRM on software that has visible source
L3009[17:12:55] <MajGenRelativity> Listen
L3010[17:12:55] <Izaya> because if we have the source
L3011[17:13:01] <Izaya> WE CAN ACTIVATE IT OURSELVES
L3012[17:13:02] <Izaya> :D
L3013[17:13:03] <MajGenRelativity> If others see the source, I am not harmed at all
L3014[17:13:13] <SoraFirestorm> Or dike out those prats
L3015[17:13:16] <SoraFirestorm> s/prats/parts/
L3016[17:13:18] <MichiBot> <SoraFirestorm> Or dike out those parts
L3017[17:13:19] <MajGenRelativity> However, it makes raiding you much barder
L3018[17:13:26] <Izaya> SoraFirestorm, release our own that only activates for us
L3019[17:13:28] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I wanna join this server to check this out
L3020[17:13:29] <MajGenRelativity> Harder*
L3021[17:13:45] <MajGenRelativity> Super, I will hit you up when I finish
L3022[17:13:47] <Izaya> SuPeRMiNoR2, we should like band together to raid hsi base
L3023[17:13:50] <Izaya> his*
L3024[17:13:52] <MajGenRelativity> What the heck
L3025[17:13:54] <SuPeRMiNoR2> :D
L3026[17:13:56] <Izaya> just to prove his security sucks
L3027[17:14:05] <MajGenRelativity> Edition 1 is a glorified alarm
L3028[17:14:10] <MajGenRelativity> It cannot do anything
L3029[17:14:21] <CompanionCube> Izaya, remember the chapter where someone steals Digital Designer 3?
L3030[17:14:27] <Izaya> oh yeah
L3031[17:14:27] <MajGenRelativity> Edition 2 is the earliest actual lethal security system
L3032[17:14:30] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Let me just open up hacker typer, and write a gui in VB to break into his base
L3033[17:14:32] <Michiyo> 16 minutes \o/
L3034[17:14:37] <Pwootage> Like I said, I've never seen a building in Minecraft that couldn't be breached (short of a mod that actually blocks people from entering an area directly)
L3035[17:14:48] <MajGenRelativity> Pwootage, correct
L3036[17:14:49] <Izaya> MFFS is pretty good security
L3037[17:14:52] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Michiyo: what is this count down, till you are off work?
L3038[17:14:52] <Pwootage> 16 minutes?
L3039[17:15:00] <Michiyo> @Pwootage, justb uild the base out of OS door controllers... :P
L3040[17:15:00] <MajGenRelativity> Not even TACEATS3172 can stop all
L3041[17:15:08] <Michiyo> and yes, 15 minutes till I go home.
L3042[17:15:10] <MajGenRelativity> And it can physically kill you in real life
L3043[17:15:14] <SoraFirestorm> Izaya: how long has it been since MFFS has had a release?
L3044[17:15:21] <Pwootage> Michiyo: ender pearls let you clip through blocks
L3045[17:15:22] <MajGenRelativity> Like forever
L3046[17:15:25] <Izaya> dunno
L3047[17:15:30] <Izaya> haven't used it in forever
L3048[17:15:39] <SuPeRMiNoR2> It was a fun mod
L3049[17:15:42] <MajGenRelativity> I used it, but it lagged my server to pieces
L3050[17:15:46] <CompanionCube> MajGenRelativity, that software is getting stolen
L3051[17:15:48] <CompanionCube> sooner or later
L3052[17:15:53] <Pwootage> I think RFTools and Pneumaticraft both add blocks which block people from a list out of an area
L3053[17:15:56] <MajGenRelativity> CompanionCube, I know
L3054[17:16:02] <greaser|q> i keep thinking they fixed the ender pearl clip bug, or a modder did, or i was doing it wrong
L3055[17:16:18] <MajGenRelativity> Which is why I will copyright it until it is hard to steal
L3056[17:16:23] <MajGenRelativity> Then I can sue people
L3057[17:16:27] * Michiyo facepalms
L3058[17:16:28] <Izaya> you can sue people
L3059[17:16:29] <Izaya> over lua
L3060[17:16:30] <Izaya> yes
L3061[17:16:31] <Izaya> sure
L3062[17:16:37] <Izaya> I fear for humanity.
L3063[17:16:50] <MajGenRelativity> Pretty sure copyright laws protect all intellectual property
L3064[17:16:59] <Izaya> okay
L3065[17:16:59] <SuPeRMiNoR2> MajGenRelativity: I don't think you will have any luck though
L3066[17:17:00] <Kodos> MajGenRelativity: You're an idiot. Please just do yourself a favor, and stop
L3067[17:17:02] <Izaya> let me rephrase
L3068[17:17:06] <Pwootage> Yeah sure, but it's called 'fair use'
L3069[17:17:08] <Izaya> like anyone will give a shit
L3070[17:17:09] <MajGenRelativity> Kodos, go away
L3071[17:17:14] <SoraFirestorm> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/1613
L3072[17:17:21] <CompanionCube> if you tried to sue someone over your lua thingy in court
L3073[17:17:21] <SoraFirestorm> Still not there yet
L3074[17:17:25] <SuPeRMiNoR2> You would have to spend far more money then some lua is worth
L3075[17:17:27] <CompanionCube> there would be laughter
L3076[17:17:29] <Pwootage> Completely unrelated: I really need to finish oc-js
L3077[17:17:33] <MajGenRelativity> Well
L3078[17:17:36] <MajGenRelativity> Maybe
L3079[17:17:37] <CompanionCube> and lots of money wasted
L3080[17:17:41] <SoraFirestorm> SuPeRMiNoR2 is right
L3081[17:17:48] <MajGenRelativity> Either way, I am keeping the software private
L3082[17:18:03] <MajGenRelativity> I will upload a video of it working, but no source code
L3083[17:18:08] <SuPeRMiNoR2> No problem, I think I am done with this arguments
L3084[17:18:16] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Take that s off the end
L3085[17:18:17] <Izaya> hey
L3086[17:18:21] <Izaya> know what's funny?
L3087[17:18:25] <MajGenRelativity> What
L3088[17:18:26] <SoraFirestorm> ?
L3089[17:18:36] <Izaya> he's going to put serious effort into 'securing' this
L3090[17:18:41] <MajGenRelativity> I am
L3091[17:18:43] <Izaya> despite it having no point
L3092[17:18:49] <MajGenRelativity> Well, yes
L3093[17:18:52] <Izaya> hey I have a better question for you
L3094[17:19:04] <MajGenRelativity> The point is to stop the idiots, not the pros
L3095[17:19:08] <Izaya> ever seen anyone use prewritten software in OC besides some basic utils and OpenOS?
L3096[17:19:17] <MajGenRelativity> I know I am no match for pro coders
L3097[17:19:31] <SoraFirestorm> Izaya: good point
L3098[17:19:32] <MajGenRelativity> I just want to stop dumb people from getting my code for free
L3099[17:19:48] <Kodos> It doesn't take a genius...
L3100[17:19:55] <MajGenRelativity> Kodos, enough
L3101[17:20:07] <Izaya> rude
L3102[17:20:08] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Izaya: I think one or two random people have used my power-monitor
L3103[17:20:14] <MajGenRelativity> I can do decent enough security to screen out people who are not in this channel
L3104[17:20:21] <Izaya> SuPeRMiNoR2, is that the one with the HUD?
L3105[17:20:25] <MajGenRelativity> I also must go
L3106[17:20:28] <MajGenRelativity> Bye!
L3107[17:20:28] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Yeah
L3108[17:20:28] <Kodos> Implying anyone outside this channel doesn't know what they're doing
L3109[17:20:30] <SoraFirestorm> SuPeRMiNoR2: still has a point
L3110[17:20:34] <Izaya> that one is cool
L3111[17:20:36] ⇦ Quits: MajGenRelativity (~Hi@2600:1000:b03a:b4f0:0:57:65b:f701) (Quit: The Major shall return)
L3112[17:20:51] <SoraFirestorm> Kodos: good thing we're in the channel and thus know what we're doing, huh? :P
L3113[17:21:02] <Kodos> Seriously, if I had the money, I would pay to have a rule put in place for here that lets me ban stupid people
L3114[17:21:12] <Pwootage> SuPeRMiNoR2: which type of power does it monitor? I need a power monitor, would be nice if I can be slightly more lazy
L3115[17:21:16] <Izaya> to be fair
L3116[17:21:21] <Izaya> MGR isn't as bad as Soni
L3117[17:21:27] ⇦ Quits: Lumien (Elite13049@ipv6.6.sigma.elitebnc.org) (Quit: EliteBNC free bnc service - http://elitebnc.org - be a part of the Elite!)
L3118[17:21:30] <Izaya> hey did you guys see them motd for #lua on freenode?
L3119[17:21:35] <Kodos> Soni asks for retarded things
L3120[17:21:37] <Kodos> MGR's just retarded
L3121[17:21:37] <SoraFirestorm> what it is?
L3122[17:21:54] <SuPeRMiNoR2> It monitors most powers
L3123[17:22:07] <Izaya> http://i.imgur.com/WUna9e5.png
L3124[17:22:15] <SuPeRMiNoR2> IC2, TE, mekanism
L3125[17:22:20] <SoraFirestorm> wow
L3126[17:22:25] <SuPeRMiNoR2> The storage
L3127[17:22:47] <SoraFirestorm> "* is zero or more"
L3128[17:22:48] <SuPeRMiNoR2> It can also monitor and control br2 reacotrs
L3129[17:22:55] <SuPeRMiNoR2> And turbines
L3130[17:22:55] <SoraFirestorm> Do people not know that?
L3131[17:22:58] <Pwootage> SuPeRMiNoR2: awesome, any dependencies other than OC and mekanism/TE?
L3132[17:23:09] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Excuse the typos, phone kb
L3133[17:23:12] <Pwootage> (I'm not using BR reactors but the display will be nice)
L3134[17:23:25] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Well, it does use a crappy oc lib called superlib
L3135[17:23:45] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Otherwise it just uses oc adapters to connect to the energy blockals
L3136[17:23:50] <SuPeRMiNoR2> ....
L3137[17:23:58] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Blockals
L3138[17:24:08] <Pwootage> That was a fun autocomplete lol
L3139[17:24:29] <Pwootage> Could I get a link to this monitor? I'd like to look at it, at least
L3140[17:24:29] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I do need to to update it a bit
L3141[17:24:37] <SoraFirestorm> So, on the downside, my OC builds are still failing
L3142[17:24:39] <SuPeRMiNoR2> It is on oppm
L3143[17:24:41] <SoraFirestorm> On the upside
L3144[17:24:48] ⇨ Joins: Lumien (Elite13049@ipv6.6.sigma.elitebnc.org)
L3145[17:24:49] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Sec, I'll find a link
L3146[17:24:49] <SoraFirestorm> They are failing in 1 minute vs 1 hour
L3147[17:24:52] <SoraFirestorm> Which is nie
L3148[17:25:34] <Pwootage> I hate builds that fail in an hour >.<
L3149[17:25:42] <Pwootage> Worst to debug sometimes
L3150[17:25:58] <SoraFirestorm> pffft
L3151[17:26:05] <SoraFirestorm> were you here a couple hours ago
L3152[17:26:15] <SoraFirestorm> I had 3 different build attempts fail after an hour
L3153[17:26:16] <SoraFirestorm> why?
L3154[17:26:29] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Pwootage, you can find it by googling superminor2 power monitor
L3155[17:26:30] <SoraFirestorm> "I can't download the non-critical thingy I want, Imma error kthxbai"
L3156[17:26:31] <SuPeRMiNoR2> https://github.com/OpenPrograms/SuPeRMiNoR2-Programs/tree/master/power-monitor
L3157[17:26:55] <Pwootage> I probably could have just googled, retrospectively, but thanks nonteheless :)
L3158[17:27:07] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Also has open glasses support, that is the HUD thing
L3159[17:27:17] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Really it is a bit crappy atm
L3160[17:27:20] <SoraFirestorm> OpenGlasses is such cool shit
L3161[17:27:37] <Pwootage> I've been meaning to mess with it again
L3162[17:27:47] <Pwootage> I really wish I had more time to do things these days
L3163[17:28:27] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I should take a video of it in operation
L3164[17:28:36] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Or some pics
L3165[17:28:42] <Pwootage> Pics would be nice
L3166[17:28:53] <Pwootage> also you're loading wget but not using it (``` local wget = loadfile("/bin/wget.lua") ```)
L3167[17:28:55] <Inari> both would be good
L3168[17:29:00] <Pwootage> Oh wait that doesn't work in IRC, I've been using slack lol
L3169[17:29:08] <Pwootage> (although it does work in discord)
L3170[17:29:22] <Inari> slack?
L3171[17:29:26] <Inari> ~oc nanomachines
L3172[17:29:26] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/item:nanomachines
L3173[17:30:00] <Pwootage> Slack is "A communication tool for teams" according to the website
L3174[17:30:07] <Pwootage> basically a communications platform designed for developers
L3175[17:30:12] <Pwootage> (been using it at work and school)
L3176[17:30:19] <SoraFirestorm> It's called IRC :P
L3177[17:30:28] <Pwootage> Slack integrates with everything
L3178[17:30:32] <Pwootage> really easily
L3179[17:30:52] <Inari> i would try it
L3180[17:30:56] <Inari> but i have no team
L3181[17:30:56] <Inari> :P
L3182[17:30:58] <Pwootage> and is way less effort to say up (and at least claims to be more secure)
L3183[17:31:16] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Pwootage: I think I used wget at one point
L3184[17:31:46] <Pwootage> SuPeRMiNoR2: sounds like something I would do :P I'm terrible at cleaning up my dependencies
L3185[17:32:13] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I should probably fix it so it does not depend on autopid too
L3186[17:32:22] <SuPeRMiNoR2> If you install it with oppm it is not a problem though
L3187[17:32:37] <Pwootage> it's only used once (line 242)
L3188[17:32:44] <Pwootage> well at least directly
L3189[17:32:54] <Pwootage> oh it is used more than that, my bad
L3190[17:33:16] <SuPeRMiNoR2> autopid is how it interacts with turbines and stuff
L3191[17:33:47] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I also seem to require internet without actually ever using that library directly in the program
L3192[17:33:49] <SuPeRMiNoR2> silly me
L3193[17:34:11] <SuPeRMiNoR2> In my defense, a lot of this code is really old
L3194[17:34:42] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Hello discord
L3195[17:34:56] <Pwootage> Hello~ muh3
L3196[17:35:10] <Pwootage> (oh right that's BetterDiscord, dangit)
L3197[17:35:23] <SuPeRMiNoR2> You ever use the voice part of discord?
L3198[17:35:39] <Pwootage> All the time, but I'm in class at the moment ;)
L3199[17:35:48] <Inari> BetterDiscord?
L3200[17:36:02] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I was just wondering how the quality is
L3201[17:36:06] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Is it close to ts3?
L3202[17:36:08] <Pwootage> Inari: basically adds frankerfaces and custom css to discord, that's all
L3203[17:36:15] <Pwootage> It's opis, so yeah
L3204[17:36:43] <Inari> Pwootage: does it work with the desktop app?
L3205[17:36:45] <{}> vifino: No.
L3206[17:36:53] <vifino> {}: Yes.
L3207[17:36:58] <Pwootage> Inari: yes, it's what I use
L3208[17:37:02] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Oh dang, I just picked up a metal flashlight from my car, and it practically froze to my skin
L3209[17:37:05] <Inari> hm interesting
L3210[17:37:16] <SoraFirestorm> lol
L3211[17:37:34] <Pwootage> Inari: Discord's app is just electron or node-webkit or something
L3212[17:38:01] <Inari> i know :P
L3213[17:38:03] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I wish they would release a linux version of the desktop app
L3214[17:38:16] <Pwootage> I'm sure they will (although the web app works great on linux)
L3215[17:38:24] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Indeed it does
L3216[17:38:25] <CompanionCube> >Desktop app
L3217[17:38:27] <CompanionCube> Bullshit.
L3218[17:38:41] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Desktop, but still pretty webby app
L3219[17:38:45] <CompanionCube> 'pretty'
L3220[17:39:01] <CompanionCube> just say it right and say 'webpage wrapped in a native window, because web is everything.'
L3221[17:39:01] <Pwootage> I sure hope CompanionCube isn't one of the "YOU CAN ONLY HAVE SLOW HTML5/JS" people
L3222[17:39:17] <CompanionCube> Pwootage, no I'm not
L3223[17:39:22] <SuPeRMiNoR2> HECK, I WANT MY OS MADE IN JS
L3224[17:39:26] *** Cranium is now known as Cranium[Away]
L3225[17:39:48] <Pwootage> SuPeRMiNoR2: see: gnome 3
L3226[17:39:52] <CompanionCube> I'm just not a fan of 'desktop' apps that are actually just webpages wrapped in a native window
L3227[17:39:53] <SuPeRMiNoR2> hah
L3228[17:40:07] <Pwootage> By the way if anyone knows of a non-terrible UI framework that's not html for desktop apps I want to know about it (seriously, not joking here)
L3229[17:40:17] <SuPeRMiNoR2> -_- http://runtimejs.org/
L3230[17:40:23] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Pwootage: Qt?
L3231[17:40:36] <CompanionCube> UI is just terrible in general.
L3232[17:40:43] <Pwootage> I havn't tried QT, admitedly
L3233[17:40:47] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I think Qt is one of the better ones
L3234[17:40:48] <Pwootage> I've heard good things
L3235[17:41:06] <SuPeRMiNoR2> It certainly looks native where ever it is run
L3236[17:41:27] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I wish I could figure out how to use it XD
L3237[17:41:53] <Pwootage> The big problem with QT is it's c++ and c++ almost always the wrong language to write in =\
L3238[17:42:00] <Pwootage> There's probably bindings for decent languages I guess
L3239[17:42:04] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Python
L3240[17:42:13] <SuPeRMiNoR2> And probably every other language
L3241[17:42:16] <CompanionCube> pyqt is a thing
L3242[17:42:30] <SoraFirestorm> Is it possible to have a C++ -> C binding?
L3243[17:42:41] <CompanionCube> isn't that called
L3244[17:42:56] <CompanionCube> just using extern "C" or something
L3245[17:43:02] <Pwootage> Well I mean, c++ methods are just horribly mangled C methods (that's actually the technical term)
L3246[17:43:12] <SoraFirestorm> Pwootage: right
L3247[17:43:13] <Pwootage> You can extern "c" to not c++-mangle methods yeah
L3248[17:43:16] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Looks like there are Qt bindings for C#, Go, Haskell, JS, Python, QML, Ruby, and Rust
L3249[17:43:20] <SuPeRMiNoR2> And maybe more
L3250[17:43:46] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I dont know why javascript is on that list though...
L3251[17:44:05] <Pwootage> It's probably node bindings
L3252[17:44:16] <SoraFirestorm> You don't really need it thoug
L3253[17:44:24] <SoraFirestorm> Just ask yer broswer to give you a damn button
L3254[17:44:42] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Ahoy, browser, give me a damn button
L3255[17:44:46] <Pwootage> Javascript != html, but yes, use electron or node-webkit and use html with javascript :P
L3256[17:44:56] <greaser|q> i'm the sort of person who starts their C++ code with extern "C" { and ends it with }
L3257[17:44:56] <CompanionCube> also, web apps cannot look native
L3258[17:45:08] <CompanionCube> which really sucks when you like your native UI theme
L3259[17:45:10] <Pwootage> Web apps can sort of look native
L3260[17:45:24] <Pwootage> At least, in theory
L3261[17:45:28] <SoraFirestorm> Well, being a C programmer, I had no idea what extern actually did
L3262[17:45:29] <SoraFirestorm> so
L3263[17:45:30] <CompanionCube> considering themes exist
L3264[17:45:30] <SoraFirestorm> TIL
L3265[17:45:32] <CompanionCube> nope
L3266[17:45:33] <greaser|q> although i will admit the C++11 threading API is great
L3267[17:45:51] <SuPeRMiNoR2> CompanionCube: What DE do you use?
L3268[17:45:53] <Pwootage> C++ threading, from what I read, is Java threading (which is pretty good)
L3269[17:46:04] <CompanionCube> SuPeRMiNoR2, Enlightenment.
L3270[17:46:06] <Pwootage> C++11 thread library, that is
L3271[17:46:16] <CompanionCube> and I have a matching GTK theme for it.
L3272[17:46:32] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I have never heard of that :O
L3273[17:46:57] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Looks cool though
L3274[17:47:15] <CompanionCube> it might be telling to say that Holo looked a little nicer than the flat-design-is-so-cool-and-hip Material
L3275[17:47:31] <Pwootage> I love material design... it's clean and easy to follow specs
L3276[17:47:35] <Pwootage> (well, can be at least)
L3277[17:48:42] <CompanionCube> SuPeRMiNoR2, I started using it because of the default theme
L3278[17:48:46] <CompanionCube> which just kicks ass
L3279[17:48:54] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Some apps certainly do material design very well
L3280[17:49:03] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I normally like it
L3281[17:49:21] <CompanionCube> I still use it because it's lightweight as hell while retaining eyecandy and useful features
L3282[17:49:46] <Pwootage> Bad material sites are still generally better than bad other design sites, if they followed the spec at least
L3283[17:49:57] <Pwootage> and/or apps
L3284[17:50:00] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I should really switch from cinnamon soon, it is not totally stable
L3285[17:50:25] <SuPeRMiNoR2> hate having your whole desktop freeze randomly
L3286[17:50:29] <Pwootage> I still havn't decided on a WM I like best on linux... I'm a GNOME3 fan, looks wise, but I have had memory leak problems from tiem to time
L3287[17:50:32] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Gives me flashbacks of windows
L3288[17:50:40] <Pwootage> (and functionality-wise)
L3289[17:50:51] <SoraFirestorm> Just be a poly
L3290[17:50:53] <SoraFirestorm> works for me
L3291[17:50:55] <SoraFirestorm> :P
L3292[17:51:09] <CompanionCube> SuPeRMiNoR2, https://www.enlightenment.org/ss/display.php?image=e-56907397acc0b8.40363103.png
L3293[17:51:23] <SoraFirestorm> I have all of awesomewm, Gnome 3, KDE, and Xfce on this machine
L3294[17:51:31] <SoraFirestorm> I use them all at least occasionally
L3295[17:51:34] <CompanionCube> https://www.enlightenment.org/ss/display.php?image=e-56904988a900f7.59868317.png
L3296[17:51:40] <Pwootage> What font is that?
L3297[17:51:52] <CompanionCube> which
L3298[17:52:24] <Pwootage> terminal one
L3299[17:52:48] <Inari> someone has been playing with powdertoy i see
L3300[17:52:48] <CompanionCube> OhSnap
L3301[17:53:03] <SoraFirestorm> ew
L3302[17:53:06] <SoraFirestorm> that fount is ugly
L3303[17:53:21] <Pwootage> I mean I think that font is hard to read, but it's a fun font for screenshots or games
L3304[17:53:39] <CompanionCube> it works well as a generic UI font
L3305[17:53:41] <SoraFirestorm> Terminus is best font
L3306[17:54:04] * CompanionCube uses something else as his font in emacs though
L3307[17:54:07] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Font holy wqr
L3308[17:54:17] <Pwootage> My fonts of choice (as of today) are Noto, DejaVu (sans), Fira, DejaVu (mono)
L3309[17:54:17] <SoraFirestorm> nah
L3310[17:54:28] <CompanionCube> ...holy wqr
L3311[17:54:28] <CompanionCube> ?
L3312[17:54:32] <vifino> war
L3313[17:54:33] <SoraFirestorm> s/q/a/
L3314[17:54:35] <MichiBot> <CompanionCube> ...holy war
L3315[17:54:59] <Pwootage> I'm always looking for more fonts to try, I like fonts
L3316[17:55:18] <SoraFirestorm> I only care about Terminus as a fixed-width
L3317[17:55:28] <SoraFirestorm> I'll do any reasonable proportional fnot
L3318[17:55:32] <CompanionCube> http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-5698356ceff542.19779178.png
L3319[17:55:34] <CompanionCube> emacs
L3320[17:55:39] <Pwootage> Ha, apparently ublock origin blocks sourceforge by default, nice
L3321[17:56:10] * CompanionCube committed the cardinal sign of moving from Vim to Emacs
L3322[17:56:18] <SoraFirestorm> so did I :P
L3323[17:56:26] <SoraFirestorm> I like Emacs better than I liked dVim
L3324[17:56:41] <SoraFirestorm> personal opinion obviously
L3325[17:56:53] <Pwootage> I use vim for the 1% of my editing that's not in an IDE/atom :P
L3326[17:57:01] <CompanionCube> Atom's a nice editor imho
L3327[17:57:15] <Pwootage> Mostly because I know it and don't want to bother learning the bajillion hotkeys in emacs for 1% of my editing
L3328[17:57:24] * CompanionCube just uses ergoemacs-mode
L3329[17:57:26] <Pwootage> I love atom, it's a neat project
L3330[17:57:32] <Inari> i like atom too
L3331[17:57:32] <CompanionCube> yay for obtaining common windows shortcuts
L3332[17:58:03] <CompanionCube> because I heavily use Windows when not at home, it makes sense to simply have the same basic keybinds everywhere
L3333[17:58:23] <gamax92> .-.
L3334[17:58:32] <Pwootage> I've sort of accidently discovered the less windows I use the happier I am (which is good to know)
L3335[17:58:41] <Pwootage> I have a macbook and use linux at work, pretty much use windows to launch games these days
L3336[17:58:51] <CompanionCube> the windows on this box is Vista
L3337[17:58:58] <CompanionCube> I can't remember when I last booted it.
L3338[17:59:23] <Pwootage> Vista is pretty much EoL as of now, I think
L3339[17:59:38] <CompanionCube> what linux do you use at work
L3340[18:00:02] <Pwootage> ArchLInux for my workstation, most of our servers are ubuntu (because debian package lists are INSANELY out of date)
L3341[18:00:16] <Pwootage> (ubuntu is still insanely out of date by my archlinux standards)
L3342[18:00:27] <CompanionCube> anything is out of date by archlinux standards
L3343[18:00:34] <CompanionCube> except maybe Gentoo
L3344[18:01:22] <Pwootage> I like how people call ArchLInux unstable... I've had fewer problems on arch than ubuntu lol
L3345[18:01:52] * CompanionCube wonders if there's a correlation between update periods and reported unstableness
L3346[18:03:00] <CompanionCube> with ubuntu you can just let it sit for 6 months and install the next release
L3347[18:03:17] <CompanionCube> doing the same with Arch has an increased chance of at least one thing breaking/changing
L3348[18:03:20] <Pwootage> You could argue updates are more likely to break or conversely that updates are for the purpose of fixing things
L3349[18:04:35] <Pwootage> I'm of the opinion I'd rather have the new features, since it seems it might break either way
L3350[18:05:58] <CompanionCube> also
L3351[18:06:01] <CompanionCube> compared to dpkg
L3352[18:06:05] <CompanionCube> pacman is *fast*
L3353[18:07:14] <Pwootage> I've noticed pacman slows down a bit if you have >1500 packages installed (I reformatted shortly afterward, decided too much crap was on my pc)
L3354[18:07:28] <CompanionCube> could be that
L3355[18:07:50] <CompanionCube> iirc there's a command that optimizes the DB's on-disk location
L3356[18:08:01] <Pwootage> I bet that would have helped a lot
L3357[18:08:35] <Pwootage> (heh, you can tell this professor has been around for a while, he calls OSX OS 10)
L3358[18:08:37] <CompanionCube> because the structure of pacman's database is something I can imagine getting fragemented easily
L3359[18:08:47] <Pwootage> (which is what it is but you don't usually hear it anymore)
L3360[18:09:04] <Pwootage> I found out I had something like 20gb of cached packages from 4 years of (rare) updates
L3361[18:09:22] * CompanionCube has generally purged the cache whenever he ran out of disk
L3362[18:09:43] <SoraFirestorm> Pwootage: yeah, that's technically the offical name
L3363[18:10:40] <Pwootage> I don't think I've actually ran out of disk on a linux desktop before, heh
L3364[18:11:04] <CompanionCube> I have before on btrfs
L3365[18:11:17] <CompanionCube> iirc on both data space
L3366[18:11:23] <CompanionCube> and metadata space
L3367[18:11:44] <malcom2073_> Most distros do interesting things when you run out of space
L3368[18:11:45] <Pwootage> I've been meaning to mess with btrfs more, I've been sticking with ext4 (which works fine)
L3369[18:12:05] <gamax92> om nom nom butter
L3370[18:12:13] <CompanionCube> malcom2073_, I know that firefox dies when you run out of disk
L3371[18:12:14] <Pwootage> I had a SSD half-die while my PC was running - everything worked fine but I couldn't open any files from the SSD
L3372[18:12:19] <Pwootage> it was strange
L3373[18:12:25] <CompanionCube> and my DE kept bitching at me about being unable to save the configuration data
L3374[18:13:55] <Pwootage> Running out of memory on linux is an interesting experience
L3375[18:13:57] <CompanionCube> In brtfs you have seperate allocated areas for data and metadata
L3376[18:14:09] <Pwootage> A lot of programs keep working just fine, at least untill they try to allocate more memory
L3377[18:14:15] <CompanionCube> and one can be out of space while the other isn;t
L3378[18:14:35] <SoraFirestorm> I 'ran out of memory' once
L3379[18:14:38] <SoraFirestorm> I was testing a progra
L3380[18:14:38] <CompanionCube> running out of memory on linux causes the kernel to kill one of your processes
L3381[18:14:49] <CompanionCube> according to a detailed algo the details of which I don't remember
L3382[18:14:53] <SoraFirestorm> aaaand it was allocating tons and tons
L3383[18:15:07] <SoraFirestorm> I hard to power cycle because it was swapping so hard
L3384[18:15:09] <SoraFirestorm> perf tank
L3385[18:15:14] <SoraFirestorm> s/tank/tanked/
L3386[18:15:14] <MichiBot> <SoraFirestorm> perf tanked
L3387[18:15:15] <CompanionCube> you know there's sysrq for that
L3388[18:15:22] <Pwootage> (I got a chrome tab to hit 8gb of ram, somehow, it's supposed to cap at 512mb)
L3389[18:15:25] <CompanionCube> rather than just hard powercycling
L3390[18:15:35] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Btrfs is pretty sweet
L3391[18:15:35] <CompanionCube> REISUB is your friend.
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L3393[18:15:50] <Pwootage> Ah, reisub
L3394[18:15:52] <SoraFirestorm> I didn't have them memorized
L3395[18:15:55] * CompanionCube has used it before when something broke Xorg so badly VT switching didn't work
L3396[18:15:55] <SoraFirestorm> I still don't really
L3397[18:15:59] <gamax92> PEBKAU
L3398[18:16:20] <CompanionCube> try typing 'machinectl shell' and see what happens
L3399[18:16:21] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Dammit
L3400[18:16:29] <CompanionCube> if you're on X11, interesting things may occur.
L3401[18:16:30] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I always forget about reisun
L3402[18:16:35] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Reisub*
L3403[18:16:48] <SoraFirestorm> s/reisun/reisub/
L3404[18:16:49] <MichiBot> <SuPeRMiNoR2> I always forget about reisub
L3405[18:17:11] <gamax92> what abnout Reisuo?
L3406[18:17:48] <CompanionCube> o?
L3407[18:18:30] <SoraFirestorm> o is 'shutdown' apparently
L3408[18:18:46] <CompanionCube> generally i'd want to reboot anyway
L3409[18:18:57] <CompanionCube> and look at the logs to find out what the fuck happened
L3410[18:19:12] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Shit happened
L3411[18:19:17] <SoraFirestorm> lol
L3412[18:19:20] <SoraFirestorm> brb
L3413[18:19:52] <CompanionCube> where has Pwootage disappeared
L3414[18:20:05] <vifino> ALIENS!
L3415[18:24:00] <SoraFirestorm> eh
L3416[18:24:04] <SoraFirestorm> don't think so
L3417[18:24:05] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I'm not saying it was aliens
L3418[18:24:14] <SuPeRMiNoR2> But it was aliens
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L3420[18:25:26] <SoraFirestorm> how do you comment in a build.gradle?
L3421[18:26:14] <SoraFirestorm> nvm
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L3423[18:28:56] <Pwootage> I walked between classes :p
L3424[18:28:59] <Pwootage> what's up?
L3425[18:30:00] <SoraFirestorm> We thought the aliens had you
L3426[18:30:28] <Pwootage> Nah, not this time. Feb 5th, they might get me.
L3427[18:44:24] <Pwootage> Heh, from the quix today: int y = 1, z = 2; cout << x+++++z: what does this print?
L3428[18:44:59] <greaser|q> Pwootage: no idea as x isn't defined
L3429[18:45:01] <SoraFirestorm> uh
L3430[18:45:07] <SoraFirestorm> 4 I think
L3431[18:45:12] <greaser|q> if you meant y+++++z, and it actually compiles, it should print 4
L3432[18:45:12] <Pwootage> Yeah 4
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L3434[18:45:19] <Pwootage> yeah 4 :P
L3435[18:45:33] <greaser|q> fun thing, the +++++ thing is mentioned in the ANSI C89 spec draft
L3436[18:45:39] <SoraFirestorm> one is a post, which means get value, then add 1
L3437[18:45:48] <SoraFirestorm> one is a pre, which means add one then get value
L3438[18:45:50] <greaser|q> so what does x*****z print? :^)
L3439[18:46:09] <SoraFirestorm> Something about a cast
L3440[18:46:10] <greaser|q> well, y*****z
L3441[18:46:17] <SoraFirestorm> depends on your compiler
L3442[18:46:21] <greaser|q> assuming z is located at 0x00000002
L3443[18:46:50] <SoraFirestorm> z being at 0x2 has nothing to do with anything
L3444[18:46:57] <greaser|q> it definitely does in this case
L3445[18:46:59] <greaser|q> also assuming your compiler doesn't complain about the types
L3446[18:47:04] <SoraFirestorm> You're going 4 pointers deep here
L3447[18:47:28] <greaser|q> yeah but if we're talking 32-bit pointers and 32-bit ints then it actually gives a plausible answer
L3448[18:47:43] <CompanionCube> inb4 gcc.godbolt.org
L3449[18:48:01] <Pwootage> Fun fact: y*****z prints as y <bold>*</bold> z in discord
L3450[18:48:09] <SoraFirestorm> not without knowing what *z, **z, ***z, and ****z are
L3451[18:48:14] <Pwootage> (substituting the tabs for actually bold)
L3452[18:48:50] <greaser|q> ah wow
L3453[18:50:20] <Mimiru> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/125675911474446336/137357668963581952/unknown.png
L3454[18:50:23] <Mimiru> lol..
L3455[18:50:52] <SoraFirestorm> not my fault :P
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L3457[18:51:00] <Pwootage> for discord users you can (technically) ```cpp *z, **z, ***z, and ****z ```
L3458[18:51:21] <Pwootage> or no syntax hilighting, lame
L3459[18:51:26] <Mimiru> Wonder if I can do the same thing from here
L3460[18:51:27] <Mimiru> ```cpp *z, **z, ***z, and ****z ```
L3461[18:51:30] <Mimiru> Yep :P
L3462[18:53:15] <SoraFirestorm> if you're playing pointer games such that you are indirecting 4 levels deep
L3463[18:53:17] <SoraFirestorm> stop
L3464[18:53:20] <SoraFirestorm> just stop
L3465[18:53:25] <SoraFirestorm> start over
L3466[18:53:29] <SoraFirestorm> and don't be stupid this time
L3467[18:54:21] <SoraFirestorm> the answer becomes '2' btw
L3468[18:54:24] <CompanionCube> such bithax
L3469[18:54:27] <CompanionCube> much bad
L3470[18:54:28] <CompanionCube> very evil
L3471[18:54:33] <Pwootage> Pointer pointers are bad, and I've seen one (arguably useful) pointer pointer pointer
L3472[18:54:58] <Pwootage> I've never seen a pointer-4
L3473[18:55:02] <SoraFirestorm> I've seen pointer pointers before
L3474[18:55:12] <Pwootage> Pointer pointers are useful in some cases for sure
L3475[18:55:12] <SoraFirestorm> they're useful when you need to modify a pointer in a function
L3476[18:55:24] * Magik6k has done progress on LuPI(OC to RPi port): https://assets.magik6k.net/screenshoots/1452819253.png
L3477[18:55:59] <SoraFirestorm> very nice Magik6k
L3478[18:56:13] <CompanionCube> how compatible are you aiming to be
L3479[18:56:20] <Pwootage> https://github.com/Pwootage/OS4510/blob/master/vm/pwisavm.h#L30 technically a pointer-pointer
L3480[18:56:21] <SoraFirestorm> Maybe I ought to just not write a kernel for my OS
L3481[18:56:24] <SoraFirestorm> Use Linux or something
L3482[18:56:35] <SoraFirestorm> Just write the userspace utils and whatnot
L3483[18:56:45] <greaser|q> i've used pointer-pointers before
L3484[18:56:51] <greaser|q> usually as outputs
L3485[18:56:55] <Magik6k> CompanionCube, I'm able to run Plan9k/OpenOS in unchanged form
L3486[18:57:04] <SoraFirestorm> You're kinda stretching it with triple pointers
L3487[18:57:05] <greaser|q> SoraFirestorm: grab newlib, and with a bit of massaging, blam, there's your libc
L3488[18:57:16] <Pwootage> "a bit of massaging"
L3489[18:57:23] <SoraFirestorm> quad pointers are a sign of stupid
L3490[18:57:45] <greaser|q> you've got to fill in the syscalls it needs, most notably sbrk
L3491[18:58:14] <Pwootage> Mostly stub them to start, really
L3492[18:59:19] <Sandra> Magik6k, component access?
L3493[19:00:13] <Sandra> also: there's a pointer pointer in the very main function.
L3494[19:00:19] <Sandra> char **argv.
L3495[19:00:23] <Pwootage> Oh man, map gpio to redstone, that would be awesome
L3496[19:00:39] <Sandra> admittedly that's an array of arrays.
L3497[19:00:45] <Sandra> but they're the exact same thing.
L3498[19:00:54] <SoraFirestorm> Sandra: true
L3499[19:01:20] <Magik6k> Sandra, yup, it has 100% of component lib
L3500[19:01:42] <Sandra> Magik6k, but what components have you implemented?
L3501[19:01:45] <Magik6k> Actually it has like 110% of component library
L3502[19:02:02] <Sandra> clearly gpu.
L3503[19:02:06] <Sandra> but what else?
L3504[19:02:07] <Magik6k> Sandra, for now eeprom, filesystem, tty based gpu/screen
L3505[19:02:14] <Sandra> ah right.
L3506[19:02:16] <Sandra> yeah.
L3507[19:02:24] <Sandra> so the basics.
L3508[19:02:34] <Pwootage> I want a program that can run in OpenOS and turn lights on in minecraft and IRL
L3509[19:02:38] <Pwootage> that would be awesome
L3510[19:02:41] <Magik6k> it's the 3-4day of writing it :D
L3511[19:02:58] <Sandra> and it's about as complete as OCEmu.
L3512[19:03:17] <Sandra> and doesn't use SDL for it.
L3513[19:03:30] <Pwootage> Man, now I want to write that component faking library that lets you fake things like keyboards so I can intercept them and control them remotely
L3514[19:03:31] <Magik6k> well, it has ~30 critical todo's in code
L3515[19:03:48] <Sandra> heh.
L3516[19:04:39] <Magik6k> gpu.copy is sort of broken and I can't get tty to work in single character mode with epoll
L3517[19:04:41] <Pwootage> in the final turned-in version of my source code for my OS design class: https://git.io/vzckM
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L3519[19:05:12] <Pwootage> Magik6k: are you using linux as a base or how does it work?
L3520[19:05:17] <Magik6k> fs.open creates files with chmod 200 for no reason(it has 644 defined)
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L3522[19:06:01] <Sandra> @Pwootage it looks like a usermode raspbian program yeah?
L3523[19:06:17] <Magik6k> Pwootage, yup, but it will run as init and linux will only handle drivers+lowlevel stuffs
L3524[19:06:31] <Pwootage> I missed the screenshot (magik6k's site is blocked at school for some reason)
L3525[19:06:32] <Magik6k> no gnu userspace at all
L3526[19:06:34] <Pwootage> Nice, that's cool
L3527[19:06:35] <Sandra> or wow.
L3528[19:06:53] <Sandra> that's quite good.
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L3530[19:07:07] <Pwootage> OH MAN I just realized duktape is c99, I probably could use that to write an entire real operating system in javascript
L3531[19:07:11] <Sandra> i'm guessing you won't have the component restrictions that real OC does.
L3532[19:07:20] <Sandra> so it'd run much faster than regular OC.
L3533[19:07:21] <Sandra> nice.
L3534[19:07:25] <CompanionCube> nodeos is already a thing
L3535[19:07:29] <CompanionCube> but it uses the linux kernel
L3536[19:07:48] <Sandra> does it?
L3537[19:07:54] <CompanionCube> also, some bits of OS dev have hard unbreakable requirements for assembly.
L3538[19:08:03] <Magik6k> Sandra, correct, you get full pi power
L3539[19:08:13] <Sandra> niiiice.
L3540[19:08:14] <CompanionCube> '
L3541[19:08:14] <CompanionCube> linux kernel
L3542[19:08:15] <CompanionCube> node-os is a full operating system built on top of the linux kernel
L3543[19:08:15] <CompanionCube> '
L3544[19:08:24] <Pwootage> yeah I've written a (technically working) pi operating system
L3545[19:08:37] <CompanionCube> Magik6k, so it's essentially a linux 'distribution' in the style of android
L3546[19:08:40] <CompanionCube> vs normal distros
L3547[19:08:41] <Pwootage> https://github.com/pwootage/pwix
L3548[19:08:42] <Magik6k> I once started some barebone OS for pi
L3549[19:08:53] <Magik6k> CompanionCube, not even like that
L3550[19:08:58] <Sandra> i thought there was a JS OS that was a kernel directly.
L3551[19:08:58] <gamax92> Pwootage: why not get into OC arch developement?
L3552[19:09:07] <Magik6k> It's 1 static executable
L3553[19:09:16] <Pwootage> gamax92: https://github.com/pwootage/oc-js
L3554[19:09:26] <Magik6k> With even core lua code compiled in
L3555[19:09:31] <gamax92> but how functional is it and active
L3556[19:09:46] <Pwootage> It's fully functional, working on the terminal atm
L3557[19:09:58] <Pwootage> I havn't had time to work on it for about three weeks, unfortunately
L3558[19:10:02] <Sandra> NodeOS isn't the one I was thinking about.
L3559[19:10:09] <gamax92> don't say fully functional if you aren't in bugfix stage
L3560[19:10:35] <gamax92> if you're still working on implementing features it's not fully function, those features aren't complete
L3561[19:10:52] <Pwootage> By "fully functional" I mean "You can write an operating system" and "no known bugs in scala code"
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L3563[19:11:23] <Sandra> yeah, this one: https://github.com/runtimejs/runtime#readme
L3564[19:11:38] <Sandra> it's a kernel that embeds the V8 engine.
L3565[19:12:34] <Pwootage> Nice, too bad v8 is single-threaded
L3566[19:12:56] <Pwootage> Also, it's probably x86 (I didn't look too close)
L3567[19:13:00] <Sandra> doesn't node use V8 as well though?
L3568[19:13:45] <Pwootage> Yes, and node is single-threaded
L3569[19:13:53] <Sandra> that looks like x86 assembly to me yeah.
L3570[19:14:03] <Sandra> ok?
L3571[19:14:04] <gamax92> I should try out ToAruOS some time
L3572[19:14:12] <CompanionCube> that's 87% C++ rather than JS
L3573[19:14:17] <Sandra> well i'm not /really/ sure why you need many threads.
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L3576[19:14:41] <Sandra> CompanionCube, it doesn't come with the OS itself.
L3577[19:14:44] <Sandra> that's just the kernel.
L3578[19:14:55] <Sandra> the OS, you write and use that kernel for.
L3579[19:15:13] <Sandra> the js stuff is the library you build against.
L3580[19:15:16] <gamax92> I mean come on, who doesn't want an OS where you can rotate all the windows https://i.imgur.com/haNMize.png
L3581[19:15:29] <Pwootage> gamax92 that's amazing
L3582[19:16:08] <greaser|q> well shit toaruos has come a long way
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L3584[19:16:16] <Sandra> gamax92, wow.
L3585[19:16:23] <Pwootage> ok so I wonder how little c I can write to make a bare-bones duktape OS
L3586[19:16:32] <Pwootage> I think pwix is going to be written in javascript
L3587[19:17:06] <greaser|q> i think maybe one of the first hobby OSes anywhere near that calibre i ever saw was froggey's personal thing
L3588[19:17:14] <greaser|q> menuetos
L3589[19:17:20] <greaser|q> possibly Gone Forever(TM) now
L3590[19:17:22] <gamax92> greaser|q: osdev is neat
L3591[19:17:33] <Sandra> i remember doing a bit of osdev.
L3592[19:17:36] <Sandra> that was fun.
L3593[19:17:40] <Sandra> when I was younger.
L3594[19:17:45] <Sandra> and knew nothing.
L3595[19:17:46] <greaser|q> gamax92: tip, a V8086-mode monitor is much easier than interfacing the floppy disk controller yourself
L3596[19:17:49] <Sandra> I was about 10.
L3597[19:18:10] <Sandra> and I copy-pasted a bit of assembly and messed around with it to do more things.
L3598[19:18:14] <Pwootage> I hope I still have my raspi emulator working
L3599[19:18:16] <greaser|q> but yeah, that menuetos thing, he released a demo livecd which had doom + freedoom wads attached
L3600[19:18:22] <Sandra> (course, I was limited to the boot sector.)
L3601[19:18:26] <clever> figured out how to get a tier 2 redstone card to play with enderio redstone conduits
L3602[19:18:29] <Sandra> which was fun.
L3603[19:18:38] <clever> turns out, rednet and enderio will perfectly map over
L3604[19:19:01] <clever> so a single piece of rednet cable can adapt thing over and make OC play with EIO
L3605[19:19:09] <gamax92> the most amount of os developement I've done was making a white on blue calculator that took two single digit numbers, added them, displayed the result, and then hung
L3606[19:19:42] <Pwootage> The most OS I've done was not actaully bare-bones, it was an OS simulator (it ran a VM, but not in the VM)
L3607[19:20:02] <SoraFirestorm> I did a little bit for the RPi
L3608[19:20:11] <greaser|q> i've yet to touch the RPi hardware directly
L3609[19:20:16] <SoraFirestorm> Ended up stopping because USB is hard
L3610[19:20:20] <greaser|q> ah yes fuck USB
L3611[19:20:29] <SoraFirestorm> I couldn't do much else other than to draw to the screen
L3612[19:20:36] <greaser|q> PCI is lovely, UHCI is a shit
L3613[19:20:45] <clever> SoraFirestorm: ive played with USB slave a bit, when i was using the teensy microcontroller
L3614[19:20:59] <clever> i made a usb keyboard, and programmed in hotkeys, so one button would do alt+left arrow
L3615[19:21:00] <greaser|q> one day i'll get code running on a GMA 4500MHD, one day
L3616[19:21:06] <Pwootage> aw crap I need to write a malloc don't I, D:
L3617[19:21:09] <Pwootage> Or port newlib, I guess
L3618[19:21:14] <greaser|q> and yes i actually mean the GPU, not the CPU
L3619[19:21:34] <greaser|q> would be hillarious porting an emulator to the GPU itself
L3620[19:21:44] <greaser|q> atari 2600 seems to be the more plausible case
L3621[19:21:50] <greaser|q> i mean, 4KB ROM and 128B RAM
L3622[19:22:00] <greaser|q> should fit snugly into the dataport memory
L3623[19:22:10] <Sandra> what's the size of an MBR boot sector again?
L3624[19:22:21] <greaser|q> 512B minus the MBR required data
L3625[19:22:41] <Sandra> right so 450ish yeah?
L3626[19:22:44] <gamax92> 448
L3627[19:22:45] <greaser|q> yeah
L3628[19:22:59] <Sandra> I was limited to that for my OS.
L3629[19:23:04] <greaser|q> but yeah, if i can spawn parallel threads in SIMD mode from a kernel thread in single-data mode then i could totally do an atari 2600 emulator
L3630[19:23:24] <clever> Sandra: ive seen it menioned online before, never try to write your own bootloader, just throw grub on there and have it run your binary
L3631[19:23:34] <clever> it just makes things so much simpler
L3632[19:23:41] <Sandra> i know.
L3633[19:23:42] <greaser|q> ^ what clever said
L3634[19:23:53] <greaser|q> i've written my own bootloader before, but grub makes stuff so much easier
L3635[19:24:04] <gamax92> but why not LILO ;)
L3636[19:24:07] <greaser|q> i also managed to get netboot working with gpxe, now THAT is nice
L3637[19:24:27] <Sandra> grub1, grub1.5, and grub2. :D
L3638[19:24:30] <greaser|q> gamax92: the thing is "why not roll your own", lilo should be fine as long as you can get it to play nice
L3639[19:24:46] <Sandra> I've done that as well.
L3640[19:24:48] <SoraFirestorm> yeah
L3641[19:24:57] <Sandra> but I wanted to do it in assembly, not C.
L3642[19:25:01] <gamax92> LILO is terrible compared to any grub
L3643[19:25:02] <Sandra> because I didn't know C.
L3644[19:25:07] <SoraFirestorm> The last big thing I can remember doing to my OS was adding the screen scrolling
L3645[19:25:11] <clever> greaser|q: i have my mobo loading ipxe over the network, ipxe then uses iscsi and some emulation to create a fake local disk over the bios api
L3646[19:25:22] <clever> greaser|q: grub then boots thru that emulation layer, not even aware that its network booting
L3647[19:25:24] <Sandra> and I didn't know how to get a loadable to assembly.
L3648[19:25:26] <greaser|q> clever: ...people use iscsi?!
L3649[19:25:38] <Sandra> because, remember, I was 10.
L3650[19:25:39] <clever> greaser|q: so my laptop is booting with an iscsi root, with grub in the iscsi MBR
L3651[19:25:56] <greaser|q> my first experience with iscsi was having to google up some help on disabling services in systemd because the iscsi thing would hang boot for a minute
L3652[19:26:05] <clever> greaser|q: both of my rpi's also boot over iscsi, but the /boot partition is on the SD card
L3653[19:26:35] <SoraFirestorm> I had another OS that I started but didn't release because I wanted to at least have keyboard working before showing it off
L3654[19:26:45] <Sandra> what /is/ the x86 instruction size?
L3655[19:26:45] <gamax92> also semi relevant question, does linux have a module that allows it to access disks completely from the BIOS interface?
L3656[19:26:55] <Sandra> I have no idea.
L3657[19:27:01] <SoraFirestorm> Sandra: like, 1 to 4 bytes depending on which exact one
L3658[19:27:11] <Sandra> right, yeah.
L3659[19:27:21] <SoraFirestorm> 4 might not be the upper bound
L3660[19:27:25] <SoraFirestorm> idk off hand
L3661[19:27:27] <greaser|q> tbh i'd rather boot over tftp
L3662[19:27:28] <Sandra> so it doesn't have a set size, it changes depending on the instruction.
L3663[19:27:45] <clever> greaser|q: i'm running nixos, and the kernel, initrd, and kernel cmdline are constantly changing
L3664[19:27:51] <clever> greaser|q: that doesnt play well with tftp
L3665[19:27:52] <greaser|q> Sandra: the x86 instruction size varies, i think the hard limit is 15 or 18 bytes or something like that depending on the CPU?
L3666[19:27:56] <Sandra> I remember writing a CPU emulator for a CPU I designed.
L3667[19:28:02] <greaser|q> clever: ah.
L3668[19:28:10] <clever> since id need to arrange for the client to mount the servers dir, and then clients would overwrite eachother
L3669[19:28:16] <Sandra> I learned C to do it.
L3670[19:28:33] <greaser|q> i also remember writing a CPU emulator for a CPU i designed, and then at some point i wrote an emulator for ARM, and now i never want to design another CPU ever again
L3671[19:28:41] <Sandra> from a series of like 6 parts.
L3672[19:28:46] <greaser|q> oooh nice
L3673[19:28:48] <Sandra> no wait 18 parts what.
L3674[19:28:56] <greaser|q> i learnt C from the loomsoft allegro 4 tutorial mostly
L3675[19:29:16] <vifino> Great. I have got to the point where strncmp just segfaults in my asm.
L3676[19:29:18] <vifino> Ugh.
L3677[19:29:20] <Sandra> I used a union for my instruction formula and it was niiice.
L3678[19:29:28] <Sandra> s/formula/format/
L3679[19:29:29] <MichiBot> <Sandra> I used a union for my instruction format and it was niiice.
L3680[19:29:40] <clever> greaser|q: as for why i'm using iscsi
L3681[19:29:43] <Sandra> i like unions.
L3682[19:29:49] <clever> greaser|q: i tried to install nixos on my rpi, with an nfs root
L3683[19:29:52] <Sandra> probably too much.
L3684[19:30:06] <greaser|q> clever: in short, it's the only thing you've got that actually works properly?
L3685[19:30:07] <clever> greaser|q: then i discovered, many 32bit apps dont support inode's over 32bits in size
L3686[19:30:14] <Sandra> I think I had a 2 byte instruction size?
L3687[19:30:16] <Sandra> maybe 3.
L3688[19:30:19] <clever> greaser|q: and 4tb xfs volumes easily surpass 32bits for the inodes
L3689[19:30:28] <greaser|q> ahhh
L3690[19:30:40] <clever> greaser|q: so that causes a range of problems, from files not being found, to directories just silently being empty
L3691[19:30:41] <Sandra> I stopped when I realized I had no idea how to write a translator from assembly code.
L3692[19:30:50] <Sandra> :D
L3693[19:31:07] <Sandra> i mean I could have done it manually but I didn't realize that at the time.
L3694[19:31:22] <Sandra> i was like 10.
L3695[19:31:25] <clever> greaser|q: iscsi mapped it as a block device, so i could make a second smaller FS that lacked any issues
L3696[19:31:32] <Sandra> i did a lot of complicated stuff when I was 10.
L3697[19:31:34] <Sandra> huh.
L3698[19:31:43] <clever> greaser|q: i could have also used loopback on the 4tb, and re-share it over nfs, but that just sounds worse
L3699[19:31:46] <Pwootage> I wish raspi was better documented (or I knew where the docs were)
L3700[19:32:17] <clever> pwootage: docs on which part?
L3701[19:32:29] <Sandra> @Pwootage: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/ ?
L3702[19:33:11] <SoraFirestorm> some parts have attrocious documentation
L3703[19:33:14] <Kodos> TIL of a mod called ReCubed....
L3704[19:33:15] <Pwootage> Hardware docs
L3705[19:33:18] <SoraFirestorm> atleast for doing low-level stuff
L3706[19:33:28] <SoraFirestorm> I'm honestly a little disappointed
L3707[19:33:29] <clever> yeah
L3708[19:33:43] <SoraFirestorm> I know that OS writers weren't the primary audience but
L3709[19:33:46] <SoraFirestorm> c'mon
L3710[19:33:49] <SoraFirestorm> like
L3711[19:33:58] <SoraFirestorm> the bastards that made the USB chipset won't release docs
L3712[19:34:01] <clever> NDA's suck
L3713[19:34:21] <SoraFirestorm> so what we do have is mostly guessed
L3714[19:34:39] <SoraFirestorm> Part of the reason I stopped writing for RPi
L3715[19:34:43] <Pwootage> I don't want to write x86 asm dangit
L3716[19:34:55] <Pwootage> (I hate x86 asm so much)
L3717[19:34:56] <Sandra> I have never written ARM asm.
L3718[19:34:58] <Sandra> I really should.
L3719[19:35:06] <SoraFirestorm> What's wrong with x86 asm?
L3720[19:35:11] <Pwootage> It's 1000% better than x86
L3721[19:35:29] <SoraFirestorm> I mean, Intel syntax sucks, and you should use AT&T instead, but...
L3722[19:35:29] <Pwootage> 'mov' is a good example (although there's a lot wrong)
L3723[19:35:45] <Sandra> x86 asm is very outdated and bound by history.
L3724[19:35:55] <Sandra> while arm asm is designed a lot better.
L3725[19:36:01] <clever> ive noticed that the QPU entirely lacks a mov instruction (its in the 3d rendering area)
L3726[19:36:02] <vifino> Pwootage: I wrote hundred-ish lines of x86 for an irc bot today, I can relate.
L3727[19:36:05] <clever> the assembler will map mov to either +0 or *1
L3728[19:36:25] <Pwootage> I mean I only need to write maybe a few hundred lines of it, but still D:
L3729[19:36:37] <Pwootage> (I am probably going to give up and write x86 anyway)
L3730[19:36:49] <Pwootage> (well x86 to bootstrap to x64 and C)
L3731[19:37:02] <vifino> oh god x86_64
L3732[19:37:04] <vifino> go away
L3733[19:38:40] <Pwootage> dangit why must x86 be the standard and ARM be so much better but have no standards at all
L3734[19:39:45] * CompanionCube finds intel syntax more readable
L3735[19:39:59] <CompanionCube> also, x86's mov is turing complete.
L3736[19:40:15] <SoraFirestorm> Because Microsoft dominates the OS industry
L3737[19:40:20] <SoraFirestorm> And only provides for x86
L3738[19:40:27] <Pwootage> https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/movfuscator
L3739[19:40:33] <SoraFirestorm> So x86en are by and large the most popular
L3740[19:40:38] <clever> CompanionCube: mov is turring complete???
L3741[19:40:38] <Pwootage> win10 runs on arm now
L3742[19:40:54] <CompanionCube> clever, yes
L3743[19:40:54] <Pwootage> clever: see my previous link :P
L3744[19:40:58] <SoraFirestorm> Windows 10 as in Windows RT or whatever?
L3745[19:41:04] <SoraFirestorm> Or Windows 10 as in Windows NT?
L3746[19:41:13] <clever> CompanionCube: got an example?
L3747[19:41:22] <SoraFirestorm> There's historically been a difference
L3748[19:41:30] <Pwootage> idk tbh
L3749[19:41:49] <Shuudoushi> isn't there a program on oppm that update openos itself?
L3750[19:41:53] <vifino> clever: https://github.com/vifino/cgistuff/blob/master/hello_worlds/asm_linux_hello_world.S
L3751[19:42:00] <vifino> its not that good asm, but it works i guess
L3752[19:42:05] <CompanionCube> Stary2001, The M/o/Vfuscator (short 'o', sounds like "mobfuscator") compiles programs into "mov" instructions, and only "mov" instructions. Arithmetic, comparisons, jumps, function calls, and everything else a program needs are all performed through mov operations alone. The compiler is inspired by the paper "mov is Turing-complete", by Stephen Dolan.
L3753[19:42:12] <CompanionCube> * clever
L3754[19:43:03] <SoraFirestorm> I want to see an objdump of one of the executables
L3755[19:43:13] <clever> who in their right mind would have given mov that much power????
L3756[19:43:21] <vifino> intel
L3757[19:43:28] <SoraFirestorm> Probably didn't do it on purpose
L3758[19:43:34] <Pwootage> SoraFirestorm: I would but I"m on a mac so I don't have a good objdump
L3759[19:43:35] <Shuudoushi> lol
L3760[19:44:01] <clever> vifino: its using int 0x80!! lol
L3761[19:44:08] <Pwootage> Fun fact #2: x86 MMU is also turing complete, and you can compute with zero cpu cycles
L3762[19:44:22] <vifino> clever: yes, do you know what that means?
L3763[19:44:33] <clever> vifino: software irq's, in this case to enter ring0
L3764[19:44:44] <vifino> ; call kernel
L3765[19:44:47] <clever> yep
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L3767[19:44:59] <clever> which reminds me of security flaws in wine
L3768[19:45:11] <clever> you can insert linux style syscalls with int 0x80, into a windows program
L3769[19:45:20] <clever> and if you ran it under wine, it would call the linux kernel just fine
L3770[19:45:30] <vifino> nice
L3771[19:45:42] <CompanionCube> yeah but windows programmers generally don't into assembly
L3772[19:46:01] <clever> but you dont even need to do that, there are several private wine functions in kernel32.dll
L3773[19:46:04] <clever> that can be abused just as much
L3774[19:46:14] <clever> just load up kernel32.dll and ask for some symbols windows shouldnt have
L3775[19:46:16] <clever> and have fun
L3776[19:46:34] <clever> that form will also have better error handling
L3777[19:46:50] <clever> it just returns null for the symbol, rather then the windows kernel getting upset over int 0x80
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L3780[19:50:37] <gamax92> clever: but what about foreign linux
L3781[19:50:45] <clever> ?
L3782[19:50:57] <gamax92> have you heard of Foreign Linux?
L3783[19:51:02] <clever> nope
L3784[19:51:07] <gamax92> https://github.com/wishstudio/flinux
L3785[19:51:17] <clever> ah
L3786[19:51:28] <CompanionCube> isn't that a dynamic binary translator for Windows
L3787[19:51:39] <clever> gamax92: sounds like another variant of the colinux idea
L3788[19:51:46] <gamax92> not at all ...
L3789[19:51:49] <CompanionCube> therefore rendering the issue of int 0x80 moot as it can simply intercept the generated interrupt
L3790[19:52:15] <CompanionCube> running unmodified ELF binaries is awesome...especially without Administrator.
L3791[19:52:16] <clever> CompanionCube: speaking more from the point of view of a game developer (or malware dev) wanting to detect linux, and do even worse stuff under wine
L3792[19:52:29] <clever> or make linux compat work better
L3793[19:52:32] <gamax92> clever: flinux isn't running a portion of the linux kernel
L3794[19:52:49] <clever> gamax92: it sounds like flinux is wine for linux apps
L3795[19:52:55] <gamax92> yeah essentially
L3796[19:52:59] <clever> translating the syscalls without running its own kernel
L3797[19:53:22] <clever> while colinux is specialy modifed to run a linux kernel, masquerading as a windwos driver
L3798[19:53:57] <gamax92> and uhh ... xming? so that stuff can show up in native windows
L3799[19:54:04] <clever> and when colinux gets the cpu in ring0, it hijacks the entire core temporarily, causing windows to hang for a few dozen cycles
L3800[19:54:16] <gamax92> I guess you could technically use xming with flinux
L3801[19:54:18] <gamax92> also wow ...
L3802[19:54:29] <clever> xming is just an X server that renders to a window on windows, compiled for win32
L3803[19:54:40] <CompanionCube> gamax92, isn't one of the screenshots
L3804[19:54:42] <CompanionCube> showing xeyes
L3805[19:55:03] <clever> xming can also be used to run linux apps on a native linux pc, and do x11 over the LAN
L3806[19:55:12] <gamax92> ? what screenshot
L3807[19:55:21] <clever> the colinux screenshots i believe
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L3810[19:56:14] <Sharidan> hey all
L3811[19:56:39] <gamax92> hi
L3812[19:57:25] <CompanionCube> https://github.com/wishstudio/flinux/wiki/Screenshots
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L3814[19:58:21] <Pwootage> Foreign linux is so cool
L3815[19:58:36] <Sharidan> does anyone by chance, know how to print special characters on screen? not sure how to do character escape codes in lua
L3816[19:59:15] <Shuudoushi> print("<whatever>")
L3817[19:59:32] <Shuudoushi> if it's unicode, just don't use the quotes
L3818[20:00:04] <gamax92> what do you mean don't use the quotes ...
L3819[20:00:45] <Sharidan> I'm sorry, but I know how to print standard text through lua. My question is how to print special characters outside the normal keyboard range, like math symbols etc.
L3820[20:01:04] <clever> Sharidan: one of the tips on bootup said to just paste them into the code
L3821[20:01:15] <Shuudoushi> prtin(unicode("<x>"))
L3822[20:01:17] <Sharidan> true - is that the only way?
L3823[20:01:18] <gamax92> Sharidan: there's the unicode api, where you can do unicode.char(0x1f414) -> "?"
L3824[20:01:32] <gamax92> also as mentioned before, pasting it directly in the string works
L3825[20:01:36] <Sharidan> thanks! that's the one I was looking for :)
L3826[20:01:37] <Shuudoushi> https://github.com/Shuudoushi/SecureOS/blob/dev/boot/z_login.lua#L13
L3827[20:02:08] <gamax92> Shuudoushi: you blind mate, there are quotes in that.
L3828[20:02:19] <Shuudoushi> s/prtin/print
L3829[20:02:19] <MichiBot> <Shuudoushi> print(unicode("<x>"))
L3830[20:02:31] <gamax92> that's also not how you use the unicode api
L3831[20:02:31] <Shuudoushi> gamax92: you know what I meant -_-
L3832[20:02:36] <gamax92> no I don't
L3833[20:02:44] * Shuudoushi sighs.
L3834[20:02:47] <Sharidan> the unicode api has to be require()'d right?
L3835[20:02:51] <gamax92> yeah
L3836[20:03:02] <Shuudoushi> too tiered to properly do remember how to use this shit
L3837[20:03:25] <Sharidan> sweet, thanks again
L3838[20:03:31] <Shuudoushi> wow... my engrish is strong tonight...
L3839[20:04:01] <Sharidan> you want flied rlice with dat? :)
L3840[20:04:09] <Shuudoushi> lol
L3841[20:05:09] <gamax92> Shuudoushi: how long is a chinese name?
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L3843[20:05:40] <Shuudoushi> not a fucking clue mate
L3844[20:05:40] <Sharidan> uhm 4 characters, but it takes half an hour to pronounce it?
L3845[20:05:47] <gamax92> no no no
L3846[20:05:52] <gamax92> "Hau Long" is a chinese name.
L3847[20:06:03] <Sharidan> good one :)
L3848[20:06:04] <Shuudoushi> ...
L3849[20:06:30] <Shuudoushi> gamax92: you should feel bad for that one, then again, so should I, I laughed at it...
L3850[20:06:59] <Shuudoushi> oppm list
L3851[20:07:04] <Shuudoushi> ...
L3852[20:07:08] <Shuudoushi> damnit...
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L3855[20:10:19] <gamax92> Shuudoushi: it's okay
L3856[20:12:14] <Shuudoushi> why can I no longer find this damn program...
L3857[20:13:03] <MajGenRelativity> Hi guys
L3858[20:13:16] <MajGenRelativity> How are you?
L3859[20:13:18] <SoraFirestorm> hi
L3860[20:13:51] <MajGenRelativity> How are you SoraFirestorm?
L3861[20:14:05] <SoraFirestorm> alright I guess
L3862[20:14:13] <MajGenRelativity> Cool cool
L3863[20:15:23] <MajGenRelativity> Anything new since I was last on?
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L3865[20:16:38] <MajGenRelativity> /unflip
L3866[20:16:43] <MajGenRelativity> Still doesn't work
L3867[20:16:47] <SoraFirestorm> dunno how long you've been away
L3868[20:17:01] <MajGenRelativity> About 3 hours
L3869[20:17:15] <SoraFirestorm> uuhhhh... lots and lots :P
L3870[20:17:56] <Mimiru> \o/
L3871[20:17:56] <Mimiru> Unable to play unknown soundEvent: opensecurity:klaxon1
L3872[20:17:59] <Mimiru> I broke it!
L3873[20:18:30] <SoraFirestorm> good job Mimiru ?
L3874[20:18:33] <MajGenRelativity> :(
L3875[20:18:43] <Mimiru> Yes, good job
L3876[20:18:47] <Kodos> Did you try OpenSecurity
L3877[20:18:51] <Kodos> Instead of opensecurity
L3878[20:18:57] <Mimiru> No..
L3879[20:19:01] <Mimiru> because it's opensecurity
L3880[20:19:22] <Mimiru> I'm breaking it to implement IResourcePack
L3881[20:19:28] <MajGenRelativity> Try turning it off and on again
L3882[20:19:47] * Mimiru sighs
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L3884[20:21:57] <MajGenRelativity> Hey
L3885[20:22:04] <MajGenRelativity> I only know cheap jokes
L3886[20:22:10] <MajGenRelativity> Good ones cost extra
L3887[20:24:40] <SoraFirestorm> how much extra?
L3888[20:25:30] <SoraFirestorm> I'll do ya tree-fidy
L3889[20:25:52] <MajGenRelativity> 450
L3890[20:26:09] <MajGenRelativity> I also gtg
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L3893[20:45:23] <SoraFirestorm> ugh
L3894[20:52:38] <SoraFirestorm> out of curiousit
L3895[20:52:49] <SoraFirestorm> How stable are the 1.6 builds?
L3896[20:53:31] <Saphire> %p
L3897[20:53:34] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Saphire 1.63s
L3898[20:54:08] <Mimiru> ugh ffs
L3899[20:54:13] <Saphire> ?
L3900[20:54:15] <SoraFirestorm> ?
L3901[20:54:17] <Mimiru> Ok, it seems I don't know how to use IResourcePack
L3902[20:54:24] <Shuudoushi> lol
L3903[20:54:30] <gamax92> it remembers
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L3906[20:56:12] <SoraFirestorm> I think imma just remove Project Red intergration for the purposes of making some damn progress here
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L3908[21:18:42] <SoraFirestorm> aaaand I have no idea how to do that
L3909[21:18:43] <SoraFirestorm> dammit
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L3911[21:27:32] <sugoi> gamax92: yo
L3912[21:27:38] <gamax92> no
L3913[21:27:48] <sugoi> your updates made things faster, and fewer timeouts, thanks
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L3919[22:06:54] <gamax92> You know whats funny about articles that try to tell you about RAW vs JPEG?
L3920[22:07:07] <gamax92> BOTH THE FUCKING IMAGES ARE JPEGS SO YOU CAN VIEW THEM IN THE ARTICLE
L3921[22:07:33] <gamax92> which means someone is just awful at processing raw images
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L3923[22:24:57] <SoraFirestorm> You don't sound so amused about that joke gamax92 :P
L3924[22:25:51] <gamax92> sugoi: oh you still there?
L3925[22:27:45] <SoraFirestorm> Think you scared him off :P
L3926[22:28:41] <gamax92> sugoi: bah whenever you get back, I changed the readme slightly to use luaffi from luarocks instead of manually compiling and then putting the library in arbitrary places
L3927[22:29:05] <gamax92> I imagine it would still work for mac just fine but, it being mac I have zero way of testing it
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L3930[22:38:48] <clever> gamax92: if you really need a mac, you can try http://macincloud.com/
L3931[22:39:09] <clever> ive used that when i had to do iphone dev, it was truely painfull :P
L3932[22:39:17] <gamax92> too expensive
L3933[22:39:21] <clever> ah
L3934[22:39:31] <clever> main issue i ran into is that apple devices lack openssl
L3935[22:39:40] <clever> so i had to rewrite portions of it to use the apple ssl stack
L3936[22:39:55] <sugoi> gamax92: i run on windows only anyways. but next time i'm on a mac i'll test it out for you
L3937[22:40:30] <sugoi> gamax92: side note...you know how in bash, # is for comments? and if you place # on the prompt, everything after is ignored? well, lua is --, but -- is also for parameters to programs
L3938[22:40:57] <SoraFirestorm> uh
L3939[22:40:58] <sugoi> 2 options. 1. -- at the start of a line is treated line "ignore this line", special case, wouldn't work that way anyplace else, but -- is luay
L3940[22:41:04] <sugoi> 2. use #
L3941[22:41:09] <SoraFirestorm> don't think it works like like
L3942[22:41:17] <SoraFirestorm> s/like like/like that/
L3943[22:41:20] <MichiBot> <SoraFirestorm> don't think it works like that
L3944[22:41:23] <gamax92> umm ... wtf are you talking about.
L3945[22:41:28] <sugoi> SoraFirestorm: who me?
L3946[22:42:08] <gamax92> as an argument, -- just means don't interpret things that start with dashes to be options
L3947[22:42:13] <gamax92> in a lua script, -- is a comment
L3948[22:42:16] <gamax92> completely separate
L3949[22:42:23] <SoraFirestorm> yeaaah
L3950[22:42:44] <sugoi> that's not what i'm saying
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L3952[22:43:12] <sugoi> i'm talking about how to support #-like-comments in openos prompt
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L3954[22:43:30] <SoraFirestorm> oh
L3955[22:43:33] <Temia> Actually, I thought -- in commandline arguments was to treat everything after that as files, or if nothing is after it, read from stdin
L3956[22:43:47] <SoraFirestorm> Temia: something like that
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L3958[22:43:57] <sugoi> people here still assume i haven't a clue what i'm talking about :)
L3959[22:44:02] <gamax92> Temia: well, it doesn't have to be files
L3960[22:44:10] <sugoi> it's good for my pride
L3961[22:44:15] <clever> Temia: no, - as a filename is to read stdin, -- is to treat everything afterwords as text and not options
L3962[22:44:35] <SoraFirestorm> oops, accidentally there. My bad.
L3963[23:03:33] <Mimiru> And, I just played sounds from outside of my jar
L3964[23:03:46] <gamax92> :O
L3965[23:03:51] <gamax92> burn the witch!
L3966[23:04:18] <Mimiru> dynamically created the sounds.json in a forced default ResourcePack
L3967[23:04:37] <Mimiru> and loaded the sounds from mods/opensecurity/sounds/alarms/
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L3969[23:07:29] <Mimiru> don't even have to add them to the config anymore.. \o/
L3970[23:07:47] <Mimiru> just toss .oggs in that directory and magic happens.
L3971[23:08:12] <SoraFirestorm> nice
L3972[23:08:28] <SoraFirestorm> alarms are neat
L3973[23:08:38] <Sandra> sounds.json?
L3974[23:08:41] <Sandra> is that a thing?
L3975[23:08:52] <SoraFirestorm> *WHIIIIIIIIIR* EVERYTHING IS ABOUT TO EXPLOOOOOODE!!! *WHIIIIIIIIIR*
L3976[23:08:59] <SoraFirestorm> :D
L3977[23:09:00] <Mimiru> Sandra, yes, yes it is
L3978[23:09:17] <Sandra> what does it even involve?
L3979[23:09:35] <SoraFirestorm> laters for nao you lot
L3980[23:09:37] <Mimiru> http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Sounds.json
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L3982[23:10:10] <Mimiru> http://hastebin.com/osowatekaj.hs This was the sounds.json for OpenSec
L3983[23:10:16] <Mimiru> now it's dynamically generated
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L3989[23:25:46] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Mimiru: does playsoundat (or whatever it was called) still exist
L3990[23:26:26] <Mimiru> It does, it's just disabled by default.
L3991[23:27:34] <Mimiru> woot it works.. now I just need to make it unpack the sounds on initial run
L3992[23:27:49] <Mimiru> Or.. maybe I'll adapt the deploader from OFM lmao
L3993[23:29:35] <SuPeRMiNoR2> ofm... openfm?
L3994[23:30:04] <Mimiru> Yeah
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