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L2[00:11:45] <Mimiru> "Programmer, Because Computer Jedi isn't an Official Job Title"
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L9[00:27:38] <dangranos> muahahaha
L10[00:27:54] * dangranos finally got a usable and awesome theme for kde meshed together from other themes
L11[00:28:14] <dangranos> and none of that awful "box around active app" on taskbar
L12[00:28:20] <dangranos> goo' ol' bars on top
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L17[00:58:27] <gamax92> lol, looked at the caches and see 1.1GB so yeah, the extra memory is definitely helping out
L18[01:02:39] <Antheus> WE WISH YOU A MERRY CHRISTMAS
L19[01:02:48] <Antheus> AND A BUCKET OF SALMON
L20[01:03:10] * Antheus frantically waves a bucket of salmon at dangranos
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L29[01:31:01] <_habnabit> frick. getting a deadlock when using OC with pressure pipes tanks, which has a wacky method called 'waitForFuture' that, when run from the worker thread, sleeps until the future has a result. so, i apparently got _really_ unlucky, because the main server thread is trying to save the OC computers as part of a world save, and so that's trying to acquire the same lock on the machine that the worker thread alrea
L30[01:31:01] <_habnabit> dy acquired
L31[01:32:05] <Antheus> Hi ven000m
L32[01:32:06] <Antheus> erm
L33[01:32:08] <Antheus> Vexatos,
L34[01:32:15] <Vexatos> Me
L35[01:32:22] <Antheus> h
L36[01:32:24] <Antheus> i
L37[01:32:24] <_habnabit> are the OC worker threads supposed to be short-lived? i.e. is it just supposed to run for a short amount of time and then release the lock on the machine? it seems like there's no other way the worker thread could ever sensibly acquire the lock on the machine
L38[01:32:26] <Vexatos> i
L39[01:32:29] <Vexatos> h
L40[01:32:33] <_habnabit> i could post the full jstack output if it would help
L41[01:32:35] <Temia> Ouch. That's pretty awful luck. :<
L42[01:33:04] <_habnabit> just trying to figure out how to patch pressure pipes to handle this
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L48[01:52:19] <_habnabit> is it ok to throw a LimitReachedException if there's no way for the worker thread to ever get a result until the machine's lock is released for a bit?
L49[01:52:36] <_habnabit> i'm not sure how '''public API''' LimitReachedException is
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L57[02:35:52] <sugoi> anyone have oc in mc running atm?
L58[02:35:54] <sugoi> with openos?
L59[02:36:21] <Xyxen> What do you need?
L60[02:36:30] <sugoi> curious if i broke something
L61[02:36:55] <Xyxen> Ask away
L62[02:36:58] <sugoi> echo 'print({...}[1])' >> test.lua -- and then /path/to/test.lua
L63[02:37:12] <sugoi> the {...}[1] is syntactically wrong for lua
L64[02:37:35] <sugoi> but does openos prompt display the parse error when running the script?
L65[02:39:52] <Xyxen> Yeah
L66[02:40:32] <sugoi> really?! suck
L67[02:40:36] <sugoi> ok
L68[02:41:17] <Xyxen> What are you getting, anyway?
L69[02:42:20] <sugoi> Xyxen: well for some context, i'm rewriting the open os prompt, io, and boot
L70[02:42:40] <sugoi> i have some 840 tests, and and just finishing up popen tonight
L71[02:42:52] <sugoi> but in my testing, i realized this ^^
L72[02:43:01] <sugoi> that, a bad file wasn't printing it's parse error on the command line
L73[02:43:04] <sugoi> its*
L74[02:43:17] <Xyxen> Ah, gotcha
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L80[03:14:15] <asie> Sangar: https://github.com/amadornes/MCMultiPart multipants
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L86[03:39:18] <bauen1> Hi, im bauen1
L87[03:39:42] <bauen1> Does anyone know if it is possible to use an relay to Only send wireless messages?
L88[03:47:17] <Sangar> o/
L89[03:47:54] <Sangar> bauen1, what do you mean exactly?
L90[03:47:56] <asie> hi snagar
L91[03:47:58] <Sangar> asie, multipants \o/
L92[03:48:23] <Sangar> it should totally be called that
L93[03:48:37] <Sangar> or there should be a mod that allows wearing multiple pants called that
L94[03:48:56] <asie> i'm still looking to assemble myself an Amiga. heh
L95[03:49:42] <Sangar> _habnabit, if it's in the api package it's public api, so yeah, LRE is fine to throw to indicate a worker thread wants to yield.
L96[03:51:14] <bauen1> Sangar, Well i mean that i have a computer sending network messages to a relay whitch relays them to wireless messages,but i shouldn't relay wireless messages to network messages aka. one way relay
L97[03:52:53] <Sangar> ah. no, you can't make it not receive messages; you can disable the repeater mode via its component to prevent it bouncing wireless messages, but received ones will always be forwarded to the wire
L98[03:54:32] <bauen1> But would it be possible to have a micro controller as relay?
L99[03:55:11] <Sangar> that'd be possible, with the limitation that the source address would change after relaying. unless you use a computronics spoofing card
L100[03:55:24] <bauen1> ok
L101[03:56:27] * Vexatos approves of hitting a network card with a brick
L102[03:59:20] <bauen1> Wouldn't that only work for 16 ports for each network card?
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L104[04:02:10] <Sangar> you'd have to know which ports you want to forward, yes
L105[04:02:24] <bauen1> thx
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L109[04:06:27] <Kubuxu> asie: there is Amiga talk today at 32c3
L110[04:06:33] <Kubuxu> https://events.ccc.de/congress/2015/Fahrplan/schedule/0.html
L111[04:07:11] <Kubuxu> All talks are steamed
L112[04:07:22] <Kubuxu> * streamed
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L114[04:09:01] <^v> Oh noes! services split 3:
L115[04:13:44] <dangranos> hm
L116[04:14:00] <dangranos> how do i handle expiration of seemengly useless subkey?
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L121[04:36:44] <bauen1> Do ports start at 0 or 1 ?
L122[04:36:54] <dangranos> um..
L123[04:37:00] <dangranos> which ports?
L124[04:37:07] <bauen1> network cards
L125[04:37:42] <Xyxen> Should be 0-65535
L126[04:39:43] <Xyxen> Nope, it's 1-65535
L127[04:39:51] <Xyxen> bauen1: they start at 1
L128[04:40:05] <bauen1> thx
L129[04:40:33] <Xyxen> np
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L131[04:49:08] <Izaya> McAfee for president
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L133[05:02:27] <bauen1> I guess there isn't a way to get the side a modem_message was received on?
L134[05:02:47] <dangranos> ...
L135[05:02:50] <dangranos> man
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L137[05:03:14] * dangranos screams internally
L138[05:03:25] <dangranos> no
L139[05:03:46] <bauen1> Atlas I'm not asking questions like "How do i make a super secure hyper bank in oc?"
L140[05:03:53] <dangranos> Xyxen: shouldn't it be 1-65536 then?
L141[05:04:27] <dangranos> bauen1: there are no fucking sides (sorry for swearing) in OC's components, unless this component explicitly requires them, like redstone IO
L142[05:04:40] <bauen1> ok
L143[05:05:38] <dangranos> use adresses
L144[05:05:59] <bauen1> k
L145[05:12:33] <Xyxen> dangranos: nope, see https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.8/src/main/scala/li/cil/oc/server/component/NetworkCard.scala#L172 for reference
L146[05:14:55] <Izaya> bauen1, don't think sides, think component addresses
L147[05:16:03] <bauen1> Yeah, i was also think about having a micro controller relay network messages using a linked card to another one and there they would get relayed into normal network messages
L148[05:17:23] <Izaya> microcontrollers are weird
L149[05:17:38] <Izaya> you can actually control which sides send/receive
L150[05:17:46] <Izaya> because they're single-block computers
L151[05:18:00] <bauen1> Well you can't control wich side they receive
L152[05:18:13] <bauen1> thats the problem I'm facing
L153[05:22:19] <Sangar> for receiving? no. for sending, yes (microcontroller.setSideOpen)
L154[05:23:11] <bauen1> They will receive on sides set for sending wich means i can't just hook it up to a relay
L155[05:23:31] <Sangar> ugh. i'm conflicted. i refactored/rewrote a core chunk of the piping logic in tis3d, and it still works. this is too good to be true.
L156[05:24:20] <Sangar> bauen1, why not just have a wireless card in the mcu and have it *be* the relay at that point?
L157[05:24:53] <bauen1> Maybe
L158[05:25:08] <bauen1> But i would like to have sub networks
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L215[08:37:24] <bauen1> Is anybody interested in the Relay script i made?
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L217[08:38:43] <dangranos> man, there is a whole floppy with network api and utils
L218[08:38:53] <dangranos> but sure, there are forums :P
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L220[08:39:29] <bauen1> ok
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L229[09:13:23] <Inari> woo
L230[09:13:27] <Inari> compiliatoin successful :P
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L236[09:35:26] <Inari> Sangar: i dont understand InventoryUtil's extractFromInventorySlot D: whys it adding the extracted stackSize bacck to the stack that was extracted from o.o
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L239[09:49:50] <Inari> i mena im sure im just reading something wrongly <.<
L240[09:49:54] <Inari> but i cant make sense of it atm haha
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L242[10:22:29] <Inari> http://akari.in/pinky_dEA2F ~
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L244[10:23:33] <dangranos> there is yaoi :|
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L247[11:15:07] <Sangar> Inari, the 'consumer' (method passed to it) is expected to reduce the 'extracted' stacksize by what is actually consumed. i.e. what's left after the call has not been consumed, so it's put back
L248[11:15:34] <reinei> o/ everyone
L249[11:15:37] <Inari> oh
L250[11:15:41] <Sangar> \o
L251[11:15:45] <Inari> i didnt quite understand that point haha, makes sense, thanks
L252[11:15:48] <gamax92> Sangar: you sound like a manual
L253[11:15:50] <Sangar> np
L254[11:15:52] <Inari> so... that sounds like
L255[11:15:58] <Inari> i dont need simulate there :P i can just tell it to not consume
L256[11:16:06] <Sangar> gamax92, i do what i can :P
L257[11:16:23] <gamax92> "The CLOCK TIMER flashes RED when a MISSILE has been DESTROYED."
L258[11:16:37] <gamax92> cause capitals, ya know.
L259[11:16:50] <Sangar> "IMPORTANT: boxes marked IMPORTANT are IMPORTANT"
L260[11:17:05] <reinei> writing 'documentation' can actually be more fun that writing the implementation
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L262[11:17:34] <gamax92> reinei: yeah ... often is ... >_>
L263[11:17:38] <gamax92> <_<
L264[11:17:47] <Sangar> i tend to write api documentation before doing the actual implementation just to gather my thoughts :P
L265[11:17:58] <reinei> NOTE: the same goes for box marked NOTE or INFO but NOT for boxed marked IMPORTANT NOTE
L266[11:18:00] <Sangar> and yeah, that part is fun
L267[11:18:09] <Sangar> the unfun part is having to document things afterwards :X
L268[11:18:09] <reinei> Sangar: thats how you are supposed to do it
L269[11:18:25] <reinei> its called design and it is actually the hardest part iff done correctly
L270[11:18:37] <Sangar> heh
L271[11:19:19] <reinei> because the DESIGN should take care of working out all the quirks so the PROGRAMMER can just make it work as expected and not have to worry about all the special stuff that might not be documented yet
L272[11:19:24] <gamax92> lol, libretro is annoyed at user complaints that their ui on every single platform doesn't blend in well for certain platforms.
L273[11:19:40] <reinei> is it the same design everywhere?
L274[11:19:48] <reinei> iff not, shuffle, then wait
L275[11:20:30] <Sangar> too iffy
L276[11:21:15] <gamax92> Why don't I remember chrome being this laggy ;-;
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L279[11:26:35] <Vexatos> Sangar, why BC floodgates replace robots D:
L280[11:27:24] <Inari> what?
L281[11:28:46] <Sangar> Vexatos, why do you ask me that :X
L282[11:28:49] <Sangar> idk
L283[11:36:39] <gamax92> couldn't say that with a staight frace
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L285[11:38:32] <Inari> gamax92: say what
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L287[11:45:02] <gamax92> Inari: say that
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L293[12:12:59] <Mimiru> ¬_¬
L294[12:13:05] <Mimiru> Test
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L298[12:14:14] <Mimiru> Test
L299[12:14:16] <Mimiru> k
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L305[12:26:14] <Magik6k> Sangar, u here?
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L314[12:43:28] <Sangar> Magik6k, am now
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L316[12:44:50] <Lectulus> good day, everyone. I'm having a hard time trying to set up a microcontroller with a 15 second timer. any idea what I can do to make that happen?
L317[12:45:25] <nxsupert> What exactly do you need it to do?
L318[12:48:44] <scj643> Got a kindle fire 5th gen for christmas
L319[12:49:47] <Magik6k> Sangar, BTM, I got moar dupes
L320[12:50:00] <Magik6k> (packet dupes)
L321[12:50:00] <Sangar> packets?
L322[12:50:03] <Sangar> hm
L323[12:50:14] <Lectulus> hey nx, I'm just trying to output a 15 second redstone signal.
L324[12:51:01] <nxsupert> Activated by what?
L325[12:51:28] <Sangar> Magik6k, do you know if those already happened before the sub-to-sub fix?
L326[12:51:41] <Magik6k> Sangar, nope, relay this time
L327[12:51:49] <Sangar> o.O
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L331[12:52:01] <Lectulus> so far I have a while loop running whenever it's true, waiting for a redstone signal from the top and, when it receives it, it outputs a signal from the bottom for 15 seconds and shuts off
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L333[12:52:21] <Sangar> Magik6k, you don't have a keyboard on the relay or something like that :P
L334[12:52:59] <Magik6k> Actually udpe is logical, but really annoying when making compoct builds: https://assets.magik6k.net/screenshoots/1451242369.png
L335[12:53:54] <Magik6k> If it can be fixed it really should
L336[12:54:04] <Sangar> you mean the left one?
L337[12:54:28] <Sangar> hrm, thought there was a check for last hop source in place already
L338[12:54:36] <Magik6k> they have wireless cards, doing broadcast on computer causes dupe packets
L339[12:55:11] <Sangar> ah, the wireless bounce of doom
L340[12:55:26] <Sangar> setRepeater(false)
L341[12:55:40] <Sangar> i.e. relay.setRepeater(false)
L342[12:55:56] <Sangar> unless you also need that, then... welp
L343[12:56:06] <Magik6k> that may do it
L344[12:56:18] <Lectulus> Hey Sangar I noticed that if someone crafts 64x9 iron nuggets into 64 iron ingots and back, over and over, it can be exploited to gain potentially infinite Christmas presents during this time!
L345[12:56:19] <Magik6k> Tha ui switch would be nice
L346[12:56:22] <Magik6k> *tho
L347[12:57:07] <Sangar> Lectulus, oh. that also triggers on the nugget? :X i probably never noticed because in my env some other mod's nugget was the main one
L348[12:57:21] <Sangar> thanks for letting me know
L349[12:57:28] <Sangar> Magik6k, yeah, it would
L350[12:57:39] <reinei> what do presents do?
L351[12:57:43] <Lectulus> Yes, I'm only playing with OpenComputers right now (no other mods) so that might be one of the reasons. Glad I could help!
L352[12:57:54] <Sangar> reinei, give you (select) random items from oc
L353[12:58:05] <reinei> aka no t3 graphics card?
L354[12:58:15] <Sangar> i think also, just very low chance
L355[12:58:48] <Sangar> yeah, gpu3 is like 1 in 3k or so :X
L356[12:59:09] <Lectulus> Sangar, a quick question, where can I find out which libraries are available to me for use on a drone or microcontroller?
L357[12:59:11] <Sangar> probably even less likely
L358[12:59:20] <Sangar> ~oc custom os
L359[12:59:25] <Sangar> ~w custom os
L360[12:59:29] <Sangar> grrrrr
L361[12:59:42] <Sangar> http://ocdoc.cil.li/tutorial:custom_oses
L362[12:59:45] <Sangar> ^ there
L363[12:59:47] <Magik6k> I have 10+ relays on btm, all with linked cards, and BTM network is died for now
L364[13:00:02] <Magik6k> .w custom
L365[13:00:03] <^v4> Magik6k, Not found. did you want "dusty"?
L366[13:00:06] <Magik6k> .w custom os
L367[13:00:06] <^v4> Magik6k, Not found. did you want "tutorials"?
L368[13:00:29] <Lectulus> great, thank you! big fan of the mod by the way (and TIS-3D, thank you for introducing us to that!)
L369[13:00:41] <Sangar> thanks :)
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L373[13:07:16] <`-`> gamax92: you need to spawn ocdoc
L374[13:07:19] <`-`> Or actually
L375[13:07:27] <`-`> Mimiru: ocdoc ded
L376[13:07:45] <Mimiru> a-fucking-gain?
L377[13:07:47] <Mimiru> god damn
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L379[13:08:32] <Mimiru> Should be back within the minute
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L385[13:35:30] <gamax92> .-.
L386[13:35:57] <Mimiru> I'm blaming esper.
L387[13:36:03] <Mimiru> anyway, off to see Star Wars again
L388[13:36:04] <gamax92> I should make ocdoc log
L389[13:37:34] <Mimiru> oclogs not good enough now? :P
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L394[13:50:38] <Antheus> Wow
L395[13:50:55] <Antheus> So, the super bad tornado that was near me barely missed my aunts house
L396[13:51:01] <Antheus> Twas an EF-4
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L398[13:59:41] <Antheus> Mimiru, gamax92: I have an idea
L399[14:00:00] <Elizabeth> gamax92, i could make EnderBot2 poke you/mimiru when it parts with like, ping timout or something
L400[14:00:46] <Antheus> first
L401[14:00:55] <Antheus> When is that stupid SSH client for windows coming oput
L402[14:01:34] <Elizabeth> ?
L403[14:02:24] <Elizabeth> if you want ssh on windows, PuTTY or Cygwin will be good choices
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L406[14:11:14] <Antheus> Cygwin?
L407[14:11:30] <Antheus> ooh
L408[14:11:31] <Antheus> fancy
L409[14:15:38] <Elizabeth> yep, I'd suggest going with the 32bit version even if you have a 64bit machine because not everything is ported to the x64 version yet (ssh is, stuff like tmux isn't)
L410[14:17:14] <Antheus> Well
L411[14:17:22] <Antheus> An API that anyone can contribute to
L412[14:18:22] <Antheus> Like, OpenAPI
L413[14:18:35] <Elizabeth> ?
L414[14:19:33] <Antheus> A community API
L415[14:22:36] <Elizabeth> for what?
L416[14:23:02] <Antheus> OC
L417[14:27:15] <malcom2073> Putty/winscp ftw
L418[14:27:34] <malcom2073> Tbh, I wouldn't trust a native windows ssh client
L419[14:27:54] <Antheus> .-.
L420[14:28:04] <Antheus> Damn rain is slowing my internet down
L421[14:28:13] <malcom2073> I hate that, when it's windy here mine gets slow
L422[14:28:15] <Antheus> s/net/net connection
L423[14:28:16] <MichiBot> <Antheus> Damn rain is slowing my internet connection down
L424[14:28:26] <malcom2073> I figure the bits get scrambled in the phone lines when they're swaying or somethin
L425[14:39:15] <Inari> what
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L430[15:14:55] <lperkins2> so, does the solar generator for a tablet not work if the tablet is off?
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L443[15:59:18] <Xal> I just realized how much I really want to be able to use lisp in oc
L444[16:02:27] <reinei> Xal: go away!
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L446[16:03:22] <Xal> b-b-but lisp
L447[16:03:25] <Xal> it's so elegant
L448[16:03:46] <reinei> it has SOME elegant decisions, but NOTHING can beat variables PERIOD
L449[16:04:04] <reinei> (I am capable of coding functionally btw)
L450[16:04:09] <reinei> but I hate it xD
L451[16:04:21] <Xal> what do you mean 'nothing can beat variables'?
L452[16:04:46] <reinei> nothing can beat the fact that you can do a = blah .... print(a) return b
L453[16:04:57] <Xal> that's totally a thing in lisp
L454[16:05:06] <reinei> lisp afaik is pure functional so everything is either a return or a conditional
L455[16:05:12] <reinei> or am I wrong?
L456[16:05:15] <Xal> were you under the impression that local variables weren't a thing?
L457[16:05:28] <Xal> pure funcitonal prgramming includes local variables
L458[16:05:32] <reinei> no I was under the impression that Lisp was purely funcitonal
L459[16:05:52] <Xal> but mutable global variables are the devil's work
L460[16:06:04] <reinei> aka functions have the form [name][arguments][cnditional]?[return]
L461[16:06:32] <reinei> there should only be one global in a program: the entry routine
L462[16:06:46] <Xal> pure functional programming just means there are no side effects to functions
L463[16:07:00] <Vexatos> Xal, https://github.com/OpenPrograms/Sangar-Programs/blob/master/lisp.lua
L464[16:07:25] <Xal> in lisp, you CAN have side effects to functions too but it's discouraged
L465[16:08:15] <reinei> so lisp discourages streaming? (as the last method performed on a stream usually has a side effect to store the transformed result)
L466[16:08:21] <reinei> nah just kidding
L467[16:08:29] <reinei> I thought of some weird concept then
L468[16:08:33] <reinei> (like SCHEME)
L469[16:08:53] <Xal> scheme doesn't really work like that either :P
L470[16:10:21] <Xal> scheme is verry minimalist however
L471[16:11:41] <Xal> the nice thing with lisp is you can write a lisp interpreter in a very small amount of code
L472[16:11:55] <Xal> especially recursively
L473[16:12:40] <Xal> it would be interesting to see if you could sandbox clojure somehow
L474[16:12:59] <Xal> and let you use that to write programs
L475[16:13:10] <lperkins2> Xal, I have a scheme to lua translator
L476[16:13:25] <reinei> Xal write a lisp interpreter and use it to sandbox clojure?
L477[16:13:40] <lperkins2> it seems to work reasonably well, and is written in lua, so it can even compile scheme code from within OC
L478[16:13:43] <Xal> no reinei, write an OC arch that lets you use sandboxed clojure
L479[16:14:46] <lperkins2> hm, when I change dimensions, my tablet keeps draining power, but loses its state...
L480[16:14:58] <lperkins2> if I open its gui again, it reboots
L481[16:15:09] <Xal> I'm not sure if tablets are persistent
L482[16:16:10] <Xal> anyhow, lisp is absolutely amazing once you realize that the program itself it made from lists
L483[16:16:13] <Xal> that you can modify
L484[16:16:30] <reinei> reflection heh?
L485[16:16:52] <lperkins2> well yeah, most languages end up using a list processor at some point in their compilation/evaluation
L486[16:16:56] <Xal> better than reflection
L487[16:17:03] <Xal> THE ENTIRE LANGUAGE is lists
L488[16:17:05] <lperkins2> lisp just lets you write the AST directly
L489[16:17:12] <Xal> you learn lisp
L490[16:17:15] <Xal> then you dream in lisp
L491[16:17:15] <reinei> Xal, then you have never used reflection and jit compiling
L492[16:17:26] <reinei> Xal, nope not that xkcd reference
L493[16:17:33] <Xal> haha yes xkcd!
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L496[16:18:37] <lperkins2> heh, having even written a jit for scheme, I've gotta agree that lisp's code-is-data-is-code idea is more powerful than standard reflection
L497[16:18:53] <Xal> doing (/ 8 2) is the same as (eval '(/ 8 2))
L498[16:19:21] <Xal> it's far, far, more powerful
L499[16:19:27] <Xal> using macros lets you get things done fast too
L500[16:20:19] <lperkins2> it's not exactly a matter of power difference, mostly a learning curve and verbosity thing. in most languages, reflection relies on some sort of specialized tools or specialized syntax
L501[16:20:38] <Xal> yes, whereas in lisp it's a fundamental basis for the language
L502[16:20:44] <lperkins2> lisp macros are lisp,
L503[16:22:26] <lperkins2> so, how did you get around the 'no decent standard library' problem for lisp?
L504[16:23:19] <Xal> yeah that's a bit of a problem
L505[16:23:26] <Xal> common lisp has more libraries out there
L506[16:23:33] <Xal> but it's uglier than say, scheme
L507[16:23:42] <lperkins2> not that I could ever get to run properly...
L508[16:24:07] <lperkins2> anytime you need to glue together more than 1 specific thing, it gets really terrible
L509[16:24:48] <lperkins2> and so far, I've not found anyone with a good solution :(
L510[16:25:02] <lperkins2> I ended up writing my own scheme implementation to solve it
L511[16:26:04] <Xal> that's another great thing with lisp, it's so damn simple you can write an interpreter in a few hours
L512[16:26:16] <lperkins2> well, this took about a week
L513[16:26:27] <Xal> a minimal interpreter
L514[16:26:33] <lperkins2> the backbone was about 200 lines of code, but getting it r5rs complete was a pita
L515[16:26:35] <Xal> fully fleshing one out will take longer yes
L516[16:26:50] <lperkins2> supports call/cc and full syntax-case
L517[16:26:52] <Xal> even writing an llvm frontend for one isn't all that hard
L518[16:27:18] <lperkins2> and the best part is it works with almost any toolkit
L519[16:27:28] <lperkins2> at least, any toolkit that has python support
L520[16:27:49] <lperkins2> (define r (import twisted.internet.reactor))
L521[16:27:52] <lperkins2> (r.run)
L522[16:28:04] <Xal> I honestly don't know how you could compare reflection in any other language to lisp
L523[16:28:12] <Xal> it complicates things a ton
L524[16:28:29] <lperkins2> reflection is the same basic idea, that your code is also data that can be manipulated
L525[16:28:45] <Xal> yes but it feels like it's tacked on afterwards
L526[16:28:47] <lperkins2> but because most languages aren't regular, you require special tools to do the editing
L527[16:28:52] <lperkins2> that's because it is
L528[16:29:20] <Xal> yep, for reflection to feel 'right' you need to consider it at the conception of the language
L529[16:29:38] <lperkins2> bytecode level reflection isn't too terrible, at least compared to writing the bytecode in the first place
L530[16:30:09] <lperkins2> but especially bypassing private/protected/final/read only stuff
L531[16:30:29] <reinei> field.setAccessible(true); finished
L532[16:30:44] <reinei> and python doens't even have true protection
L533[16:30:51] <lperkins2> um, after you look up the field by name
L534[16:31:14] <reinei> you can't compare a language with fields to a language without
L535[16:31:16] <lperkins2> and yes, it can, by using __slots__ and __get__ and __getattribute__ et cetera
L536[16:31:24] <reinei> lisp doesn't have objects as far as I know
L537[16:31:34] <lperkins2> lisp doesn't not have objects
L538[16:31:38] <reinei> lperkins2: but you can always get to it
L539[16:31:42] <reinei> it has __ too
L540[16:31:53] <Xal> lisp DOES have objects
L541[16:31:54] <lperkins2> true, as you can in any language
L542[16:32:10] <lperkins2> since the program owns its own memory space
L543[16:32:25] <lperkins2> it's just a matter of how hard it is to access
L544[16:33:26] <scj643> Anyone know how to fix a corrupt windows userprofile where the UsrClass.dat file is corrupt
L545[16:33:31] <lperkins2> common lisp has a very primitive object system, and pretty much every CLisp implementation supports at least CLOS
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L577[18:45:34] * Evey yawns and curls up on Elizabeth
L578[18:45:40] <Elizabeth> ohai
L579[18:45:44] <Evey> hai
L580[18:45:58] <Elizabeth> I was just about to go to bed
L581[18:46:09] <Evey> Aww
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L583[18:46:18] <Evey> I should probably go as well
L584[18:46:29] <Elizabeth> yep
L585[18:46:41] <Mimiru> Aww
L586[18:46:44] * Elizabeth lays along the couch
L587[18:46:46] <Mimiru> Night @Elizabeth
L588[18:46:55] * Evey lays with Elizabeth
L589[18:46:57] <Evey> :3
L590[18:47:02] * vifino flops down next to Elizabeth
L591[18:47:02] <Elizabeth> night all
L592[18:47:14] <Antheus> Good night, Elizabeth
L593[18:47:15] * Elizabeth pets Evey and vifino
L594[18:47:21] * vifino purrs
L595[18:47:23] <Antheus> Who the hell is Evey?
L596[18:47:27] * vifino kisses Elizabeth
L597[18:47:32] <Evey> I am me
L598[18:48:03] * Evey throws a rock at Antheus
L599[18:48:13] <Evey> don't ask where i got the rock from
L600[18:48:24] <Antheus> Where did you get the rock from?
L601[18:48:24] <Evey> cause i don't know
L602[18:48:30] <Antheus> Hmmm
L603[18:48:33] * vifino sighs
L604[18:48:35] * Evey throws another rock
L605[18:48:39] <Antheus> Anyone having issues loging into steam?
L606[18:48:58] <Mimiru> Nope, I usually get around steam login issues, by not logging into steam
L607[18:49:27] <Elizabeth> Mimiru, your sass unit is being overworked
L608[18:49:54] <Antheus> Mimiru is a mixed blend of Salt and Sass
L609[18:49:54] <Mimiru> :P
L610[18:50:31] <Elizabeth> anyway, tomorrow (read: when i wake up in under 10 hours) yay for family interactions with probably 'no electricals' that'll last like, 2 hours before someone breaks it.
L611[18:50:48] <Mimiru> I went to my aunt's house, with no more black eyes...
L612[18:50:51] <Mimiru> so yay
L613[18:50:58] <Antheus> Elizabeth, My family tried to do that for a vacation
L614[18:51:07] <Antheus> I brought my laptop and got yelled at, but ignored them
L615[18:51:12] <Antheus> FFS it was on the beach
L616[18:51:16] <Antheus> and it was like 9 pm
L617[18:51:25] <Antheus> I don't give a fuck about family after dark
L618[18:51:34] <Antheus> that is me time
L619[18:51:42] <Elizabeth> Antheus, my family usually does it and actively moans at 3 out of the 5 grandchildren if we're on electricals
L620[18:51:50] <Elizabeth> it's stupid
L621[18:51:58] <Antheus> "electricals"
L622[18:52:06] <Antheus> wierd
L623[18:52:10] <Antheus> is that british
L624[18:52:14] <Antheus> I'm used to electronics
L625[18:52:24] <Elizabeth> Antheus, basically devices that can't have multiple people using it / playing with it at a time
L626[18:52:33] <Elizabeth> so like, phones, tablets, laptops
L627[18:52:47] <Antheus> anything useful
L628[18:52:50] <Antheus> also
L629[18:52:56] <Antheus> RCOKET LEAGUE IS FUN OMG akjgflk;f
L630[18:52:58] <Elizabeth> only game console they have there is a fucking wii. that is entertaining for 5 minutes
L631[18:53:04] <Inari> but theres tablet multiplayer
L632[18:53:08] <Antheus> I used to have a Wii
L633[18:53:16] <Antheus> used it for about 2 years
L634[18:53:23] <Antheus> collected dust for about 5
L635[18:53:23] <CompanionCube> Elizabeth: Wii has a shitty web browser.
L636[18:53:27] <Elizabeth> Inari, yeah but none of us actualy have tablets.
L637[18:53:28] <CompanionCube> but hoooomebrew.
L638[18:53:30] <Antheus> Wii has a web browser?'
L639[18:53:34] <Inari> so get some
L640[18:53:43] <CompanionCube> Antheus: you had to buy it.#
L641[18:53:51] <Antheus> oh
L642[18:53:58] <Antheus> Hmm
L643[18:54:02] <Elizabeth> Inari, meh, i'll save my money and wait like, an hour before the rule is broken then i'll get back to my laptop
L644[18:54:23] <CompanionCube> iirc all the nintendo web browsers are shitty ports of Opera Mobile anyway
L645[18:54:29] <Inari> morning has broken~
L646[18:54:42] <Elizabeth> anyway, really hoinh now
L647[18:54:44] <Elizabeth> *going
L648[18:54:46] <CompanionCube> Especially the 3DS one. May it burn in the fires of IE4 forever.
L649[18:54:53] <Inari> why the heck do you sleep 10h
L650[18:55:00] <Elizabeth> Inari, ?
L651[18:55:01] * vifino kisses Elizabeth again
L652[18:55:10] <Inari> well
L653[18:55:15] <Inari> you said in under 10 hours when you wka eup
L654[18:55:18] <Inari> sounds like you'll sleep 9-10 hours
L655[18:55:19] <Inari> :p
L656[18:55:27] * Antheus slams vifino into a room full of Elizabethes
L657[18:55:31] <Inari> vifino: get a room
L658[18:55:44] <Elizabeth> my mother is comming to pick me and my sis up from my dads at 11am, it's currently 00:55am
L659[18:55:45] * CompanionCube hits Inari with a sponge
L660[18:56:00] <Inari> ah :P
L661[18:56:03] <Inari> just sleep in teh car
L662[18:56:15] <Elizabeth> Inari, i might do that
L663[18:56:24] <Inari> vifino: have you met he rparents yet? :P
L664[18:56:38] <CompanionCube> The worst feeling is when you awkwardly lie in bed despite not being tired.
L665[18:56:44] <scj643> I hate Windows right now
L666[18:56:46] <`-`> CompanionCube: It's based off of webkit dumbass
L667[18:56:47] <Elizabeth> infact i planned to either sleep in the car or at grandparents
L668[18:56:56] <scj643> My usrclass.dat file got corrupted
L669[18:56:58] <Inari> Elizabeth: so why go to bed now?
L670[18:57:12] <`-`> And the Wii U's one even has remote web debugging support, like Chrome for Android
L671[18:57:18] <CompanionCube> orly
L672[18:57:23] <Inari> yaely
L673[18:57:29] <CompanionCube> don't have a wii u
L674[18:57:33] <`-`> So, instead of spreading bullshit generalizations around like a dumbass, maybe you should learn
L675[18:57:43] <`-`> CompanionCube: I don't have a Wii U either, but I did the research
L676[18:57:54] <CompanionCube> Somebody's pissed :p
L677[18:58:02] <`-`> CompanionCube: Misinformation pisses me off.
L678[18:58:05] <Elizabeth> Inari, because i don't think i'll make it till 11am being awake all night, plus i am a bitch if i have fuck all sleep
L679[18:58:09] * Elizabeth kisses vifino back
L680[18:58:17] <Elizabeth> really really really going now
L681[18:58:28] <Inari> being a bitch = best for family meetings
L682[18:58:31] <Inari> they'll hate you and leave you alone
L683[18:58:32] <Inari> :3
L684[18:58:39] <Elizabeth> no they just moan back
L685[18:58:43] <Inari> lewd
L686[18:58:43] * Elizabeth sleeps
L687[18:58:56] * vifino pets Elizabeth
L688[18:59:05] <CompanionCube> `-`: also it's not as if I said it as if it were a fact
L689[18:59:40] <`-`> ...
L690[18:59:45] <`-`> <CompanionCube> iirc all the nintendo web browsers are shitty ports of Opera Mobile anyway
L691[18:59:47] <`-`> <CompanionCube> Especially the 3DS one. May it burn in the fires of IE4 forever.
L692[19:00:09] <`-`> It didn't look like any sarcasm to me.
L693[19:00:15] <CompanionCube> iirc means if i recall correctly, not 'this is absolute fact'
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L695[19:03:46] <Temia> Well, you're more or less right; they're all licensed by Opera Software
L696[19:04:27] <`-`> Temia: No, the 3DS one is license by some other company
L697[19:04:31] <Temia> Oh, is it?
L698[19:04:32] <`-`> so is the Wii U one
L699[19:04:36] <Temia> Alright.
L700[19:04:40] <`-`> they told Opera to go fuck themselves
L701[19:04:45] <Temia> I never owned either so
L702[19:04:49] <`-`> Because of how shit opera was
L703[19:04:59] <Temia> It's a shame. Opera used to be a pioneer for many widely-adopted features.
L704[19:05:16] <`-`> But then they lagged behind. By a lot.
L705[19:05:22] <Temia> yeah.
L706[19:05:25] <Temia> Then Opera 15 happened.
L707[19:05:28] <`-`> And then they disappeared
L708[19:05:43] <`-`> theoretically disappeared
L709[19:05:45] <Temia> Now we have Vivaldi which is... better?
L710[19:05:49] <Temia> I like it, anyway. >.>
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L712[19:06:35] <`-`> Temia: My problem is that now Opera is backed by Blink
L713[19:06:38] <`-`> Man, fuck Blink
L714[19:06:42] <Temia> Yeah.
L715[19:06:43] <`-`> Fuck WebShit
L716[19:07:38] <`-`> BRING BACK PRESTO
L717[19:07:38] <Temia> Again though, that's the point that Opera 15 happened.
L718[19:08:16] <Temia> Which, well, a lot of people dropped it. I never used 15; I stayed with 12 until I stopped seriously using Windows for anything. >.>
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L721[19:18:54] <Izaya> I don't mind WebKit, I just dislike the way it looks like everything wants to use it
L722[19:19:21] <`-`> something something fuck Atom
L723[19:19:28] <Izaya> I wouldn't be surprised if Firefox switches to it
L724[19:19:31] <`-`> it would be a decent text editor if it wasn't webkit
L725[19:19:39] <Izaya> Considering Firefox is trying to be Chrome
L726[19:19:47] <`-`> Izaya: mozilla's balls are too high to do that
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L732[19:44:00] <jhagrid7> Sup
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L740[20:39:49] <jhagrid7> What happened to the "spawn_ocComputer"?
L741[20:44:28] <jhagrid7> Anyone here?
L742[20:48:22] <Mimiru> What happened to it..?
L743[20:48:31] <Mimiru> /oc_sc should work just fine
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L745[20:49:19] <gamax92> Temia: is splicing wires by twisting them together and then lots of electrical tape a good way to repair a cable?
L746[20:50:02] <Temia> It's... serviceable.
L747[20:54:51] <gamax92> I need Heatshrink Tubing though, the twisting worked fine but the tape is awful to work with.
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L751[21:12:40] <`-`> Quick, DDOS that IP
L752[21:12:41] <`-`> !
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L760[21:56:53] <sugoi> gamax92: do you know about _G.load in oc's env?
L761[21:57:13] <v^> sugoi, its a standard lua function?
L762[21:57:43] <sugoi> v^: it doesn't seem to match this sig: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-load
L763[21:58:15] <sugoi> oc's takes 4 params
L764[21:58:25] <sugoi> source, label?, mode, env
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L766[21:58:42] <sugoi> i'm not sure
L767[21:59:01] <sugoi> i'm trying to figure out oc's way of creating sub environments
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L769[21:59:25] <sugoi> this area is new to me, i have read about setfenv
L770[21:59:49] <sugoi> but, i thought i could also refer to setfenv examples in the source, but it isn't ever used in openos source
L771[22:00:14] <sugoi> so i'm thinking load sets the env, and that load is given/set at the jre level
L772[22:00:24] <sugoi> defined*
L773[22:00:27] <sugoi> whatever you want to call it
L774[22:01:08] <sugoi> anyways, my end goal is to create a coroutine with a custom env
L775[22:01:17] <sugoi> but defined by a function, not a string
L776[22:01:31] <sugoi> string-source, e.g. file path
L777[22:01:50] <sugoi> loadstring, dofile, process.load...everything seems to call load (eventually) with the env
L778[22:02:09] <sugoi> but load takes a source string, not a function
L779[22:02:30] <sugoi> oh no!
L780[22:02:33] <sugoi> i'm wrong on that last point
L781[22:02:38] <sugoi> it DOES take a function
L782[22:02:40] <sugoi> ha!
L783[22:02:59] <sugoi> load(fp, source, mode, env)
L784[22:03:04] <sugoi> i don't know what source and mode are for
L785[22:03:11] <sugoi> but, at least that first param is a function
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L790[22:13:08] <`-`> sugoi: setfenv is gone
L791[22:13:24] <`-`> if |0xDEADBEEF| supported load, I would show you the world
L792[22:13:33] <`-`> #lua load
L793[22:13:33] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil
L794[22:13:39] <`-`> alas, poor |0xDEADBEEF|
L795[22:13:41] <`-`> <>
L796[22:13:42] <^v> `-`, nil
L797[22:13:46] <`-`> <lua53
L798[22:13:46] <^v> `-`, Time limit exeeded.
L799[22:13:50] <`-`> kek
L800[22:13:55] <`-`> v^: lua53 is broken
L801[22:13:57] <`-`> <lua52
L802[22:14:01] <`-`> <lua52 "kek"
L803[22:14:12] <`-`> lua 5.2 is nonexistent
L804[22:14:27] <v^> ik
L805[22:14:44] <`-`> <luaj
L806[22:14:44] <^v> `-`, Time limit exeeded.
L807[22:14:48] <`-`> luaj is broken too
L808[22:14:54] <`-`> <lua51
L809[22:14:57] <`-`> <lua
L810[22:15:00] <`-`> eh
L811[22:15:01] <^v> `-`, nil
L812[22:15:02] <`-`> kek
L813[22:15:03] <v^> fixed
L814[22:15:08] <`-`> <lua53
L815[22:15:09] <^v> `-`, nil
L816[22:15:13] <`-`> sugoi:
L817[22:15:57] <`-`> <lua53 load("foo()", "=loaded_chunk_name_goes_here", nil --[[mode doesn't matter in OC]], {foo=function() print("bar") end})
L818[22:15:57] <^v> `-`, function: 0x813c50
L819[22:15:59] <`-`> <lua53 load("foo()", "=loaded_chunk_name_goes_here", nil --[[mode doesn't matter in OC]], {foo=function() print("bar") end})()
L820[22:15:59] <^v> `-`, loaded_chunk_name_goes_here:1: attempt to call a nil value (global 'foo')
L821[22:16:05] <`-`> Welp
L822[22:16:42] <`-`> I think the command disables environment
L823[22:16:43] <`-`> s
L824[22:16:44] <`-`> ffs
L825[22:16:53] * `-` murders v^
L826[22:17:00] <v^> `-`, :>
L827[22:17:10] <`-`> Hate
L828[22:17:12] <`-`> you
L829[22:17:51] <sugoi> haha nice
L830[22:18:08] <sugoi> `-`: ok so is that vanilla lua?
L831[22:18:18] <sugoi> if so, am i reading the wrong docs
L832[22:18:20] <sugoi> ?
L833[22:18:23] <`-`> Also, the reason why I prefixed the name with = is to make it not prepend string "bleh"
L834[22:18:24] <`-`> sugoi: Yes
L835[22:20:21] <gamax92> sugoi: that's the 5.1 manual not 5.2
L836[22:20:24] <gamax92> ~w load
L837[22:20:24] <ocdoc> http://www.lua.org/manual/5.2/manual.html#pdf-load
L838[22:20:34] <`-`> ~w!
L839[22:20:48] <gamax92> .w load
L840[22:20:48] <^v4> gamax92, Not found. did you want "non standard lua libs"?
L841[22:20:56] <gamax92> no, no I didn't you garbage
L842[22:26:50] <sugoi> you guys know about popen? i've implemented it for openos, was finishing up a bunch of tests and found a case that didn't work
L843[22:27:24] <sugoi> and it's interesting to me -- so, say you have a child process that you've "forked" with popen
L844[22:27:35] <sugoi> and you're reading (or writing) on its stream
L845[22:27:53] <sugoi> well in lua and for openos, my implementation of popen is using coroutines
L846[22:28:09] <sugoi> and yielding the child process etc
L847[22:28:27] <sugoi> but, which about scenarios where the child process does all kinds of coroutine trickery?
L848[22:28:38] <sugoi> i was building a solution around that, and...it's not going to cut it
L849[22:28:58] <sugoi> so my solution - create a child env and intercept and manage coroutine switching myself
L850[22:29:02] <sugoi> (just for a popen child)
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L852[22:29:49] <sugoi> anywho, ergo: "what is load()"
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L854[22:30:04] <sugoi> thanks for the info, `-`
L855[22:42:04] <sugoi> but there doesn't seem to be a way to call a function with a custom env, only strings compiled to functions
L856[22:42:09] <sugoi> i think i understand why
L857[22:42:28] <sugoi> the function would have captures/references/etc in the previous env
L858[22:42:32] <sugoi> so that wouldn't make sense
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