OCLogs: 2014-07-31.log

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L22[01:06:07] <Pontiac> 'Lo all

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L27[01:37:24] <CoolGuy> hello

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L30[01:50:18] <v^> NedoComputers is OP

L31[01:50:20] <v^> http://i.imgur.com/NfmrfCh.png

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L33[01:55:49] <v^> so

L34[01:55:55] <v^> $conv 193000

L35[01:55:56] <^vDoge> v^, Ɖ193000 = $39.1474 €29.2123 £23.1162

L36[01:56:04] <v^> someone just fucking gave me $40

L37[01:56:55] <v^> $tip Sangar $10

L38[01:56:55] <^vDoge> v^, Sent Ɖ49300 to Sangar

L39[01:56:57] <v^> <3

L40[01:58:02] <v^> there is a total of 347.7 doge in my wallet

L41[01:58:22] <v^> and someone will pay back 50k eventually

L42[01:59:37] <v^> 3k more doge

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L203[05:48:51] <Caitlyn> WHAM

L204[05:48:59] <gamax92> gah

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L218[06:04:37] <gamax92> Good ol C

L219[06:04:49] <gamax92> sometimes it will tell me I'm missing a semicolon in the place where its missing

L220[06:05:03] <gamax92> sometimes it will give me 1000 errors in 1000 other files because of the semicolon

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L229[06:49:25] <SKS-Phone> So as it turns out, on windows it is possible to retrieve wifi passwords

L230[06:50:18] <SKS-Phone> So as it turns out, my mum's laptop had connected to the 3g modem

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L244[07:13:15] <istasi> Morning \o

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L246[07:13:32] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Mornin.

L247[07:15:23] <Alissa> Good afternoon to y'all lovely people.

L248[07:16:37] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Yeah. Good afternoon for me as well.

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L250[07:17:13] <istasi> nah nah, deffo morning *yawn*

L251[07:17:51] <gjgfujIsAPotato> What time zone you in istasi? I'm in UTC+11

L252[07:17:59] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Or is it UTC+10.

L253[07:18:03] <gjgfujIsAPotato> I never know.

L254[07:18:11] <istasi> utc?, dunno gmt+1

L255[07:18:42] <gjgfujIsAPotato> utc is gmt.

L256[07:18:45] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Same thing.

L257[07:18:53] <gjgfujIsAPotato> utc is the standard.

L258[07:20:34] <Alissa> I was just lying about that. It's 2:20 here :D

L259[07:20:42] <Alissa> Been spending all night watching anime.

L260[07:20:45] * Alissa blames Cruor|Away

L261[07:21:03] <gjgfujIsAPotato> hah.

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L273[07:52:52] <PsychokenesisKat> Yes! I have bulk-downloaded a full chapter of this manga :D

L274[07:53:27] <asie> https://cdn.mediacru.sh/UzT0W2Dh07bs.png

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L278[07:55:20] <Vexatos> asie: carpentersblocks, though xD

L279[07:55:26] <asie> Vexatos: what?

L280[07:55:31] <asie> what's wrong with carpenter's?

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L282[07:55:40] <Vexatos> The only bold thing in that image

L283[07:56:31] <PsychokenesisKat> 1.7.10 is also bold

L284[07:56:31] <PsychokenesisKat> So asie, are you offering a pack of those for download?

L285[07:56:48] <asie> PsychokenesisKat: i am working on a pack

L286[07:56:52] <asie> slowly

L287[07:57:05] <asie> though people will hate me when they notice the only two energy mods are BuildCraft and Factorization

L288[07:57:13] <asie> also, MISSING_TRUSS_MOD

L289[07:57:15] <Vexatos> What

L290[07:57:16] <Vexatos> No

L291[07:57:19] <Vexatos> That's awesome

L292[07:57:29] <asie> Vexatos: well, Factorization can be powered with RailCraft steam boilers

L293[07:57:29] <Vexatos> FZ = one of the best power mods ever

L294[07:57:30] <PsychokenesisKat> I'd like to note that I don't like TE, so I support this.

L295[07:57:32] <asie> and possibly FSP

L296[07:57:39] <asie> but no promises on FSP

L297[07:57:46] <PsychokenesisKat> I'm assuming no EnderIO because lisencing?

L298[07:58:05] <asie> no

L299[07:58:08] <asie> EnderIO is WTFPL, lol

L300[07:58:12] <asie> no EnderIO because design issues

L301[07:58:18] <asie> all I wanted it for (ore processing) is already in Factorization

L302[07:58:32] <Vexatos> FZ is an awesome

L303[07:58:34] <asie> and Ender IO is really becoming a TE4 alternative more than anything

L304[07:58:36] <Vexatos> awesome mod*

L305[07:58:47] <Vexatos> It's got ore tripling

L306[07:58:56] <Vexatos> Clay modelling (Best feature ever)

L307[07:59:01] <Vexatos> Item transport

L308[07:59:07] <Vexatos> Fluid transport

L309[07:59:12] <Vexatos> Everything you'd want

L310[07:59:19] <asie> Servos, man

L311[07:59:41] <Vexatos> Yea

L312[07:59:42] <asie> https://cdn.mediacru.sh/paIUWG_k9VmS.png

L313[07:59:44] <asie> screen fixed

L314[07:59:57] <asie> EBXL and Truss Mod won't be missing for long

L315[07:59:59] <Vexatos> By the way

L316[08:00:00] <asie> I should be able to finish them by Friday

L317[08:00:05] <PsychokenesisKat> :D EBXL

L318[08:00:07] <Vexatos> My new PC is finally arriving

L319[08:00:09] <asie> Logistics Pipes is going to come later in the life's pack

L320[08:00:14] <Vexatos> Got the Email yesterday, they sent it

L321[08:00:15] <asie> and RaiLCraft... can someone donate me ten bucks?

L322[08:00:19] <asie> I need to Patreon a certain Jaguar.

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L326[08:00:40] <Vexatos> asie: Railcraft is a VERY nice mod

L327[08:00:46] <asie> Yes, yes it is

L328[08:00:50] <asie> but the 1.7.10 beta costs ten bucks

L329[08:00:50] <Vexatos> Very, very well balanced

L330[08:00:58] <Vexatos> Oh

L331[08:01:02] <Vexatos> I have it :3

L332[08:01:14] <Vexatos> Not payed a thing but the free time I spend on translating the mod

L333[08:01:23] <Vexatos> Go, make a polish translationg

L334[08:01:26] <Vexatos> translation*

L335[08:01:34] <asie> Vexatos: No, I only need it to test my pack

L336[08:01:37] <asie> I won't release with it

L337[08:01:50] <asie> also

L338[08:01:56] <asie> you better check if all the mods in my pack are translated

L339[08:02:09] <Vexatos> D:

L340[08:02:14] <asie> :^) (:^

L341[08:02:58] <asie> all I do is Google and hope someone accidentally uploads it

L342[08:03:27] <asie> but that won't happen

L343[08:03:48] <Vexatos> nonoyesyesyesyesyesnoyesyesyesyesyesnoyesyesyesnonoyesyesyesyesyesnononoyesnonoyesno

L344[08:04:19] <Vexatos> And to every "yes", that's only the translations I contributed to, because I do't know a German translation I didn't contribute to xD

L345[08:04:30] <Vexatos> So, the others might have been translated

L346[08:04:42] <asie> LOL

L347[08:04:57] <asie> AOBD is not

L348[08:04:59] <Vexatos> 201 mods infiltrated \o/

L349[08:05:01] <asie> but it's translated to Italian and Russian

L350[08:05:04] <asie> so you better get on with it

L351[08:05:15] <asie> Aquaculture is Russian and Chinese

L352[08:05:25] <Vexatos> I translated more mods than you ported xD

L353[08:05:30] <asie> Vexatos: TRANSLATING IS EASIER

L354[08:05:35] <Vexatos> asie: Many mods are russian and Chinese

L355[08:05:41] <Vexatos> Mainly translated by two people

L356[08:05:45] <Vexatos> Adaptivity and crafteverywhere

L357[08:05:50] <asie> I ported 12 out of 39 mods in my pack

L358[08:05:54] <asie> 11 or 12, not exactly sure

L359[08:06:06] <Vexatos> The thing is that many Russian and chinese people don't speak English at all

L360[08:06:07] <asie> let that sink in for a second there

L361[08:06:12] <Vexatos> So those translations are highly necessary

L362[08:06:13] <asie> it will get to 12/13 out of 40 soon

L363[08:06:28] <Vexatos> Most Germans however know (at least a little) English

L364[08:06:35] <Vexatos> s/soon/spoon

L365[08:06:35] <Kibibyte> <asie> it will get to 12/13 out of 40 spoon

L366[08:06:58] <asie> 11 out of 40, actually

L367[08:07:08] <asie> 10 out of 40 ported, 12 out of 40 contributed to

L368[08:07:10] <asie> that's to be exact

L369[08:07:18] <Vexatos> xD

L370[08:07:30] <Vexatos> Those two being OpenComputers

L371[08:07:31] <Vexatos> and?

L372[08:07:38] <asie> Truss Mod

L373[08:07:41] <Vexatos> Ah

L374[08:07:47] <asie> which i didn't contribute to yet

L375[08:07:47] <asie> but will

L376[08:07:50] <asie> by removing its super fancy models

L377[08:08:01] <Vexatos> Wat

L378[08:08:07] <asie> and replacing them with regular frames

L379[08:08:14] <asie> also making it use MJ solely

L380[08:08:25] <asie> i also need to poke Sangar to add Factorization support to his mod

L381[08:08:28] <asie> I got API docs from neptunepink

L382[08:08:31] <asie> and a deobf'd version

L383[08:09:10] <Vexatos> You mean, OpenComponents?

L384[08:09:20] <Vexatos> Why not add it to Computronics :3

L385[08:10:10] <asie> No

L386[08:10:13] <asie> I mean OpenComputers.

L387[08:10:26] <asie> Did you forget that Factorization is not MJ, not RF and not EU?

L388[08:10:30] <asie> and MJ is only used for kinetic energy in my pack

L389[08:11:15] <Vexatos> Ah that you mean

L390[08:11:23] <Vexatos> FZ power, a.k.a. "Charge"

L391[08:11:27] <asie> but Factorization /adapter/ support will come to Computronics

L392[08:11:28] <asie> obviously

L393[08:11:33] <asie> in 0.7.0

L394[08:11:47] <asie> along with fixed cameOH WHO AM I KIDDING THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN LOL

L395[08:12:02] <Vexatos> My idea:

L396[08:12:25] <Vexatos> OC support for servo rail

L397[08:12:47] <Vexatos> to write to and read from a servo's data stack

L398[08:12:52] <Vexatos> on the correct instruction

L399[08:13:05] <asie> Maybe.

L400[08:13:09] <asie> I need to figure out how Servos work first.

L401[08:16:46] <Vexatos> You can write instructions on servo rails

L402[08:16:52] <Vexatos> And when the servo passes over it

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L404[08:16:56] <Vexatos> it executes that

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L406[08:17:39] <Vexatos> Alternatively, there is an instruction to make the servo no execute the instructions it passes over

L407[08:17:46] <Vexatos> But store them in it

L408[08:17:58] <Vexatos> And then execute them with a certain other instruction

L409[08:18:05] <Vexatos> Also, it's got a data stack

L410[08:18:14] <Vexatos> Where you can put numbers and booleans into

L411[08:18:22] <Vexatos> And modify those

L412[08:18:46] <asie> oh wow

L413[08:18:47] <asie> that's neat

L414[08:19:33] <asie> in general

L415[08:19:41] <asie> servos are the main method of creating world-interacting automations

L416[08:19:47] <asie> in my pack

L417[08:19:51] <asie> as robots will remain pretty expensive

L418[08:20:16] <Vexatos> Hard mode OC recipes?

L419[08:20:52] <asie> Not exactly.

L420[08:21:00] <asie> Expensive Robot Assembler and high energy usage for movement/block stuff

L421[08:21:08] * PsychokenesisKat dies, 13kb/s

L422[08:21:09] <asie> Also, robots create a complex issue

L423[08:21:20] <asie> kinetic stuff is MJ, electric is Factorization, generally, with the exception of Servos

L424[08:22:02] <Vexatos> Can you turn MJ powering off?

L425[08:22:05] <Vexatos> In the OC configsd

L426[08:22:10] <asie> No, but that will be another request

L427[08:22:33] <Vexatos> I'm sure he'll add that

L428[08:22:39] <Vexatos> Won't be too much work

L429[08:22:44] <Vexatos> I guess, just a config check

L430[08:23:29] <asie> no, because removing support for a given power system involves rmeoving interfaces

L431[08:23:36] <asie> unless you want to just not accept a certain power

L432[08:24:03] <PsychokenesisKat> By the way: I'm using OC to generate the addresses for the images for the manga I'm downloading

L433[08:24:09] <asie> Manga in OC?

L434[08:24:40] <Vexatos> asie> unless you want to just not accept a certain power

L435[08:24:45] <Vexatos> ^ That should work

L436[08:24:48] <asie> yes

L437[08:24:50] <asie> but is not perfect

L438[08:24:55] <asie> and i am a perfectionista

L439[08:25:48] <Vexatos> *cough Camera robot cough*

L440[08:26:02] <PsychokenesisKat> We totally need a way to convert jpgs to something OC can render

L441[08:26:13] <Vexatos> There is a way

L442[08:26:22] <PsychokenesisKat> It's possible to double the vertical resolution using unicode chars...

L443[08:26:27] <asie> Vexatos: I am a perfectionist for features I care about

L444[08:26:30] <PsychokenesisKat> 160x100...

L445[08:26:33] <PsychokenesisKat> 16:10 :D

L446[08:26:41] <asie> PsychokenesisKat: Actually

L447[08:26:56] <Vexatos> SKS: https://github.com/OpenPrograms/Pixel-Programs/blob/master/oci.lua

L448[08:26:57] <Vexatos> ?

L449[08:26:57] <Vexatos> xD

L450[08:27:18] <asie> I think you can quadruple it

L451[08:27:21] <asie> from 160x50 to 320x100

L452[08:27:22] <Vexatos> Now code a conversion algorithm

L453[08:27:34] <asie> by using 2580-259F

L454[08:27:44] <asie> time to write a converter?

L455[08:27:51] <PsychokenesisKat> wow, nice.

L456[08:28:04] <PsychokenesisKat> However, you can only have 2 colours per cell

L457[08:28:06] <asie> Yes

L458[08:28:10] <asie> So you need to average out a bit

L459[08:28:20] <asie> i'm going to work on a converter later today

L460[08:29:27] <PsychokenesisKat> Really?

L461[08:29:29] <PsychokenesisKat> :D

L462[08:29:38] <asie> Yes.

L463[08:29:56] <gjgfujIsAPotato> asie, your pack seems weird.

L464[08:30:03] <asie> gjgfujIsAPotato: Why?

L465[08:30:12] <asie> It's engineering-oriented and picks mods along that way

L466[08:30:30] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Do you have a mod list for it I could read?

L467[08:30:33] <asie> Yes, yes it does

L468[08:30:37] <asie> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uVQ43LGucCawromMg5nRRTzqMC26wWKknE0_vQCXrgY/edit#gid=0

L469[08:30:57] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Factorization as a main power supply mod.

L470[08:30:58] <PsychokenesisKat> Chapter 7 is the end of volume 1.

L471[08:31:00] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Bold choice.

L472[08:31:13] <asie> gjgfujIsAPotato: No.

L473[08:31:15] <asie> BuildCraft *and* Factorizatio

L474[08:31:18] <asie> n

L475[08:31:22] <asie> with deliberately incompatible power systems

L476[08:31:26] <asie> and a clear split of responsibilities

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L478[08:32:02] * PsychokenesisKat has never used Factorization

L479[08:33:38] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Yeah, I do personally prefer my power systems seperate.

L480[08:33:42] * PsychokenesisKat intends to have the entirety of this manga neatly arranged

L481[08:34:38] <gjgfujIsAPotato> And also, why are you removing chunkloaders?

L482[08:35:08] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Just a question.

L483[08:35:09] <asie> gjgfujIsAPotato: I do not see them as necessary. If they come back, they will be hard to power

L484[08:35:47] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Yeah, they do sorta break immersion.

L485[08:36:10] <asie> Yes

L486[08:36:16] <gjgfujIsAPotato> What machinery are you removing from RailCraft?

L487[08:36:17] <asie> Same reason i'm removing Block Update Detectors from Artifice

L488[08:36:25] <asie> from RailCraft? Definitely normal rails will be much cheaper and easier to make

L489[08:36:28] <asie> high-speed rails will remain expensive

L490[08:36:38] <asie> the rest will likely stay

L491[08:36:44] <asie> though maybe some RailCraft ore processing will go

L492[08:36:51] <asie> but... maybe

L493[08:36:55] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Because Factorization?

L494[08:37:08] <PsychokenesisKat> --.-K/s

L495[08:37:19] <PsychokenesisKat> Thanks for the vote of confidence, wget

L496[08:37:39] <gjgfujIsAPotato> What ThaumCraft esque tree in buildcraft?

L497[08:37:54] <asie> gjgfujIsAPotato: watch the buildcraft 6.1 preview by spacetoad

L498[08:37:57] <asie> the one about research trees

L499[08:38:04] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Hey?

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L501[08:41:28] <asie> gjgfujIsAPotato: Yes?

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L506[08:47:32] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Ooh. I like that research trees.

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L508[08:47:35] <SoraFirestorm> Really fast question

L509[08:47:45] <SoraFirestorm> How do you get robots to load floppies?

L510[08:47:45] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Why you removing the research trees asie?

L511[08:48:17] <asie> gjgfujIsAPotato: They're stupid and slow down gameplay for no apparent reason

L512[08:49:17] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Aha.

L513[08:49:28] <asie> working on the converter now

L514[08:49:50] <Potato|YouTubezzzz> -_-

L515[08:49:55] <gjgfujIsAPotato> But they also make it more engineering oriented, and makes the game more balanced in my opinion.

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L517[08:51:39] <SoraFirestorm> How do you get robots to load floppies? I can't seem to figure it out.

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L519[08:54:39] <gjgfujIsAPotato> SoraFirestorm, What do you mean by that?

L520[08:54:50] <SoraFirestorm> How do I load a floppy into a robot?

L521[08:54:55] <SoraFirestorm> Like the OpenOS boot disk?

L522[08:55:01] <gjgfujIsAPotato> SoraFirestorm, you either need to put a disk drive into the robot, or use a t3 case.

L523[08:55:06] <gjgfujIsAPotato> When you assemble it.

L524[08:55:10] <SoraFirestorm> It has a T3 case

L525[08:55:31] <gjgfujIsAPotato> You need to put the floppy in the case when you build the robot then.

L526[08:55:37] <SoraFirestorm> wat

L527[08:55:43] <SoraFirestorm> how do you get it out, then?

L528[08:55:57] <gjgfujIsAPotato> You don't.

L529[08:56:13] <SoraFirestorm> what the hell is the point then?

L530[08:56:13] <PsychokenesisKat> Can you use a Tcr case in a robot?

L531[08:56:17] <gjgfujIsAPotato> But you can use a disk drive as a container and then you have a slot.

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L534[09:00:48] <SoraFirestorm> What's the point in a harddrive then?

L535[09:01:10] <gjgfujIsAPotato> SoraFirestorm, That's internal storage, and has more space.

L536[09:01:21] <gjgfujIsAPotato> I don't think you quite understand what I'm saying here.

L537[09:01:29] <SoraFirestorm> But if the floppy disk can't be ejected, then it becomes internal storage too

L538[09:01:36] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Yeah.

L539[09:01:38] <PsychokenesisKat> internet

L540[09:01:41] <PsychokenesisKat> is painfully slow

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L542[09:01:56] <gjgfujIsAPotato> The floppy disk slot is only in the t3 case though.

L543[09:02:22] <gjgfujIsAPotato> It's a permanent floppy disk space slot.

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L545[09:04:16] * PsychokenesisKat grumbles something about Dennou Coil not having a manga

L546[09:05:32] <PsychokenesisKat> 2 more chapters, then my OCD will let me go eat my dinner...

L547[09:05:43] <EnderCat> SoraFirestorm, loot disks cannot be written to

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L549[09:06:04] <SoraFirestorm> what? that has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

L550[09:07:00] <asie> okay

L551[09:07:03] <asie> my converter is mostly done

L552[09:07:11] <asie> i just need to write the part where it quantizes 2x2 blocks with over 2 colors

L553[09:07:12] <PsychokenesisKat> :o Wow, that was fast.

L554[09:08:19] <SoraFirestorm> That's moderately frustrating though

L555[09:08:41] <SoraFirestorm> Having to waste a slot on a fdd because the case's can't be accessed

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L559[09:18:00] <SKS|Pizza> I finished downloading volume 2, I can eat.

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L562[09:22:25] <asie> okay

L563[09:22:27] <asie> my converter is done

L564[09:22:29] <asie> but now i have to test it

L565[09:22:30] <asie> somehow

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L568[09:26:05] <istasi> converter?

L569[09:26:32] <asie> yes

L570[09:26:51] <istasi> from what to what? :P

L571[09:27:40] <asie> from PNG to DAT

L572[09:31:54] <gjgfujIsAPotato> You know what?

L573[09:32:19] <gjgfujIsAPotato> I think I might make a map-mod pack.

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L575[09:32:38] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Somewhat agskies inspired, but more story oriented.

L576[09:34:54] <asie> wait, what?

L577[09:34:58] <asie> WHAT?

L578[09:35:05] <asie> the palette is constant on tier 3 screens

L579[09:35:13] <SoraFirestorm> gjgfujIsAPotato: I'd like to have a good size group of people (10 - 15ish) to do a city building deal

L580[09:35:17] <SoraFirestorm> that'd be cool

L581[09:35:37] <SoraFirestorm> Start from nothing, build a working city

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L583[09:35:47] <gjgfujIsAPotato> hmm?

L584[09:36:02] <SoraFirestorm> There could be a good story in that

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L588[09:42:15] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Hmm. I have a build of ee3 for 1.7.10, but no idea where I got it from.

L589[09:42:28] <dangranos> ...

L590[09:42:28] <gjgfujIsAPotato> It's sorta interesting.

L591[09:45:25] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Anyone think of any good mods I should include in my map pack?

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L595[09:53:21] <Kilobyte> o/

L596[09:53:48] <SoraFirestorm> gjgfujIsAPotato: what do have, and what version?

L597[09:54:32] <Kilobyte> thermal Expansion for.sure

L598[09:54:46] <Kilobyte> unless 1.7

L599[09:54:51] <SoraFirestorm> Yeah, although I wish it still had FMP >:(

L600[09:55:07] <Kilobyte> even though it should be ready soon

L601[09:55:17] <SoraFirestorm> I thought TE for 1.7 was released?

L602[09:55:26] <Kilobyte> was it?

L603[09:55:30] <PotatoAlt2> no

L604[09:55:38] <SoraFirestorm> I thought I saw something on r/feedthebeast

L605[09:55:43] *** PotatoAlt2 is now known as PotatoTrumpet

L606[09:55:48] <Kilobyte> iirc it's still private beta

L607[09:55:57] <SoraFirestorm> uhu

L608[09:55:58] <SoraFirestorm> huh

L609[09:55:58] * PotatoTrumpet waves at Kilobyte

L610[09:56:01] <Kilobyte> makes no difference for me anyways

L611[09:56:28] <Kilobyte> yes, I got beta access :P

L612[09:56:41] <SoraFirestorm> niiice

L613[09:56:52] <Kilobyte> also FMP is too buggy

L614[09:56:58] * PotatoTrumpet looks at Kilobyte in jealousy

L615[09:57:18] <Kilobyte> 90% of all te crashes were caused by FMP

L616[09:57:48] <PotatoTrumpet> FMP is forge multipart, correct?

L617[09:58:00] <SoraFirestorm> Yeah

L618[09:58:12] <Kilobyte> they couldn't find the bug, but it seemed to randomly drop tile entity data or something

L619[09:58:44] <SoraFirestorm> Kilobyte: I've never had TE 1.6.4 crash on me ever

L620[09:59:13] <Kilobyte> same, but even if only 1% of all people encounter it that's still a lot

L621[09:59:29] <Kilobyte> keep in mind it's used by thousands of people

L622[09:59:40] <asie> "Note that the color is expected to be specified in hexadecimal RGB format, i.e. 0xRRGGBB. This is to allow uniform color operations regardless of the color depth supported by the screen and GPU."

L623[09:59:47] <asie> is there a way to set a background to a /palette/ color in OC 1.3?

L624[09:59:53] <asie> or do I have to cheat and store a table with the palette colors

L625[10:00:08] <Kilobyte> probably latter

L626[10:00:21] <SoraFirestorm> palette meaning a colors.something?

L627[10:00:38] <Kilobyte> no, its different

L628[10:00:58] <SoraFirestorm> asie: I only ever got it to go with a hex value, but it was a quick test ymmv

L629[10:01:25] <Kilobyte> you tell the gpu: colour 1 is FFFF00 and then you say: use color 1

L630[10:01:42] <SoraFirestorm> Ignore me, Kilobyte is the smart one :P

L631[10:01:47] <gjgfujIsAPotato> TE 1.7 is out, and it's in the pack.

L632[10:01:57] <SoraFirestorm> I knew it

L633[10:01:57] <gjgfujIsAPotato> As well as all it's addons.

L634[10:02:01] <Kilobyte> ah that was quick

L635[10:02:14] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Redstone Arsenal and Simply Jetpacks.

L636[10:02:22] <Kilobyte> only one or two weeks of beta

L637[10:02:28] <gjgfujIsAPotato> TE Ducts isn't out yet though.

L638[10:02:33] <Kilobyte> is mfr out too?

L639[10:02:37] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Yep.

L640[10:02:42] <gjgfujIsAPotato> That's in the pack too.

L641[10:03:05] <Kilobyte> heh so all CoFH mods are finally released

L642[10:03:08] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Yep.

L643[10:03:17] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Except, as I said, TE Ducts.

L644[10:03:24] <Kilobyte> yeah

L645[10:03:30] <Kilobyte> im aware

L646[10:03:49] <Kilobyte> they weren't in the beta either

L647[10:03:56] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Yeah.

L648[10:04:06] <gjgfujIsAPotato> You were in the beta I take it?

L649[10:04:14] <Kilobyte> yeah

L650[10:04:59] <Kilobyte> i'm very early member of CoFH, I dont write code though

L651[10:05:11] <gjgfujIsAPotato> I see.

L652[10:05:14] <SoraFirestorm> til kilobyte is cofh

L653[10:05:18] <Kilobyte> my main task is channel moderation

L654[10:05:22] <gjgfujIsAPotato> You are op on #thermalexpansion

L655[10:05:26] <Kilobyte> yup

L656[10:05:38] <Kilobyte> since its first day

L657[10:05:51] <Kilobyte> I was literally second user to ever join it

L658[10:05:59] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Wow.

L659[10:06:08] <Kilobyte> right after lemming

L660[10:06:09] <gjgfujIsAPotato> You're pretty early adopter.

L661[10:06:13] <gjgfujIsAPotato> That's cool.

L662[10:06:24] <SoraFirestorm> That's /friggin awesome/

L663[10:06:29] <Kilobyte> I still have logs from back then

L664[10:07:44] <Kilobyte> im also helping a bit with their website

L665[10:10:03] <Kilobyte> fuck it my neck hurts badly

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L667[10:13:42] <gjgfujIsAPotato> I like HQM.

L668[10:13:52] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Yes, my pack is HQM based.

L669[10:14:03] <gjgfujIsAPotato> It's an amazing mod.

L670[10:14:16] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Never played with it before, but wow, it's easy to use.

L671[10:14:26] <PotatoTrumpet> Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

L672[10:14:28] <PotatoTrumpet> oooooooooooooo

L673[10:14:35] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Like, I've played agrarian skies, but I haven't used it to make quests before.

L674[10:14:40] <gjgfujIsAPotato> It works amazingly.

L675[10:15:04] <PotatoTrumpet> I am getting all 4 of my wisdom teeth pulled tomorrow(the first)

L676[10:15:16] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Aww, potato.

L677[10:15:18] <Kilobyte> good luck

L678[10:15:19] <gjgfujIsAPotato> :(

L679[10:15:23] <Kilobyte> had that myself

L680[10:15:24] <SoraFirestorm> dont die plz kthx

L681[10:15:59] <Kilobyte> hope it doesnt get sore and you'll be fine again in no time

L682[10:16:10] <gjgfujIsAPotato> I'm gonna make a simple mod, a couple of decoration blocks, and a soul key/key block system.

L683[10:16:30] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Basically, all blocks in this mod are completely unbreakable, i.e. bedrock.

L684[10:16:58] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Key blocks are able to be removed by right-clicking them with a key though.

L685[10:17:14] * PotatoTrumpet is sad that he will not be able to eat humans after midnight

L686[10:17:51] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Augh. Multimc still has that stupid bug where it keeps instance windows open after the instance closes.

L687[10:17:54] <gjgfujIsAPotato> :)

L688[10:17:57] <PotatoTrumpet> :)

L689[10:18:02] <gjgfujIsAPotato> s/:)/:(

L690[10:18:09] <gjgfujIsAPotato> That didn't work.

L691[10:18:16] <gjgfujIsAPotato> s/:\)/:\(

L692[10:18:16] <Kibibyte> <PotatoTrumpet> :(

L693[10:18:26] <PotatoTrumpet> s/:)/Death

L694[10:18:39] <gjgfujIsAPotato> It's very slow isn't it,

L695[10:18:59] <PotatoTrumpet> s/:\)/Death

L696[10:18:59] <Kibibyte> <PotatoTrumpet> Death

L697[10:19:22] * PotatoTrumpet does not get s/blank/blank2

L698[10:20:32] <Kilobyte> gjgfujIsAPotato: did your minecraft crash?

L699[10:20:58] <gjgfujIsAPotato> No, it does that if it closes normally.

L700[10:21:05] <gjgfujIsAPotato> If it crashes, it doesn't.

L701[10:21:42] <Kilobyte> normally it should close the log window if it exits with status 0

L702[10:21:46] <Cruor> sir Kilobyte sir

L703[10:21:55] <Cruor> is that Kibibyte of Yours, open sauce?

L704[10:22:14] <Kilobyte> yes

L705[10:22:39] <Cruor> would the sir kindly send me a blue text to this magnificent sauce?

L706[10:22:50] <Kilobyte> check my bitbucket, repo kibibyte7

L707[10:23:07] <gjgfujIsAPotato> It doesn't close it.

L708[10:23:20] <gjgfujIsAPotato> It stays open, but no control on the window works.

L709[10:23:34] <Kilobyte> also imo every decent bot is open source

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L711[10:24:14] <Cruor> now if i knew what my bitbucket user and pass is

L712[10:24:16] <Cruor> thatd be great

L713[10:26:01] <asie> okay

L714[10:26:04] <asie> i'm almost done with today's special

L715[10:26:09] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Hmm?

L716[10:26:27] <Cruor> Kilobyte: is Java supposed to be imposible to navigate? q_q

L717[10:26:42] <Kilobyte> java is meh

L718[10:26:49] <Kilobyte> scala is better

L719[10:26:58] <SoraFirestorm> C ftw

L720[10:27:02] <Kilobyte> that's why it's getting a rewrite

L721[10:27:13] <Kilobyte> c can't do stuff like

L722[10:27:55] <Kilobyte> a = if (...) { block stuff } else { more stuff }

L723[10:28:22] <SoraFirestorm> why would you even do that? not even kidding.

L724[10:28:26] <dangranos> ^

L725[10:28:35] <SoraFirestorm> I'm seriously wondering

L726[10:29:10] <Kilobyte> useful

L727[10:29:12] <Cruor> a = "foo" if justNo else "bar"

L728[10:29:34] <Cruor> ternary is q_q enough

L729[10:29:37] <Cruor> and you want Blocks? q_q

L730[10:29:47] <Kilobyte> Cruor: yes I do

L731[10:29:52] <SoraFirestorm> you mean 'a = aBool ? thing : otherThing'>

L732[10:29:55] <SoraFirestorm> you mean 'a = aBool ? thing : otherThing'?*

L733[10:30:04] <Kilobyte> doesnt support blocks

L734[10:30:21] <Cruor> doesnt Ruby support that q_q

L735[10:30:28] <Kilobyte> it does

L736[10:30:29] <SoraFirestorm> why would you assign a variable a blcok?

L737[10:30:31] <SoraFirestorm> block

L738[10:30:39] <Cruor> ruby is just weird >_<

L739[10:30:44] <Cruor> puts "foobar" while true

L740[10:30:50] <Kilobyte> return value of a block

L741[10:31:20] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Yeah, the last line is the return value of the block.

L742[10:31:26] <Kilobyte> yes, suffix conditions make code compat

L743[10:31:33] <Kilobyte> *compact

L744[10:31:43] <Kilobyte> def a = b

L745[10:31:48] <Kilobyte> in c that's:

L746[10:31:53] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Meh, I write my scala code, as if it's java code with better syntax.

L747[10:31:55] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Basically.

L748[10:32:02] <Cruor> implicit Returns? D:

L749[10:32:09] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Yeah.

L750[10:32:11] <Kilobyte> ofc

L751[10:32:21] <Cruor> i dont use them even if i have them q_q

L752[10:32:21] <Kilobyte> that's an awesome feature

L753[10:32:47] <Kilobyte> a good IDE will bitch at you for that

L754[10:32:51] <Cruor> i agree, but the Return keyword is sexeh

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L756[10:33:19] <Kilobyte> anyways, given b is int, in c you have to write

L757[10:33:33] <Kilobyte> int a() { return b; }

L758[10:33:45] <Kilobyte> scala is def a = b

L759[10:33:58] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Yeah. Intellij always bitches at me for all the reasons.

L760[10:33:59] <Kilobyte> plus a then behaves like a readonly variable

L761[10:34:09] <SoraFirestorm> that's a function def in scala?

L762[10:34:15] <SoraFirestorm> wtf? no parens. >:(

L763[10:34:31] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Yeah. No parens, because it acts like a variable.

L764[10:35:00] <Kilobyte> def a() = b is also valid.

L765[10:35:11] <Kilobyte> now it acts like a method

L766[10:35:28] <Kilobyte> to be able to write to a:

L767[10:35:38] <SoraFirestorm> is it really that hard to go 'def a() = return b;' ?

L768[10:35:52] <Cruor> a() = "staaaaph" D:

L769[10:36:07] <Cruor> a(n) = "calm all Your horses"

L770[10:36:10] <Kilobyte> def a_=(value: Int) { b = value }

L771[10:37:39] <Kilobyte> if I dont have a = before block it implies return type Unit

L772[10:37:55] <Kilobyte> which is basicly scalas version of void

L773[10:38:13] <SoraFirestorm> I'm sorry I questioned you. 0_o

L774[10:38:26] <SoraFirestorm> Really hardcore defence there

L775[10:38:30] <SoraFirestorm> defense*

L776[10:38:36] <Cruor> SoraFirestorm: run while you still can

L777[10:38:41] <SoraFirestorm> XD

L778[10:38:42] <Kilobyte> scala is epic :P

L779[10:39:01] <Cruor> gif scala sample code pls

L780[10:39:13] <Kilobyte> on phone

L781[10:39:22] <Kilobyte> look at any oc code file

L782[10:39:29] <Kilobyte> (except API)

L783[10:39:33] <Cruor> will my eyes bleed?

L784[10:39:51] <Kilobyte> if they do then you can't be helped

L785[10:39:55] <Kilobyte> they shouldnt

L786[10:40:32] <Kilobyte> scala code might seem a bit more complicated than java, but only because different concept and more complex language

L787[10:40:51] <gjgfujIsAPotato> I love how easy it is to make a decorative block.

L788[10:40:58] <gjgfujIsAPotato> decorative3 = ItemUtil.makeBlock(this, "decorative3", Material.rock).setBlockUnbreakable()

L789[10:41:09] <gjgfujIsAPotato> In my mod at least.

L790[10:41:15] <Cruor> Kilobyte: i assume <: is type stuff

L791[10:41:36] <gjgfujIsAPotato> And yeah, that's scala.

L792[10:41:43] <gjgfujIsAPotato> You can't really tell, can you.

L793[10:41:49] *** Benguin is now known as Benguin[ZzZ]

L794[10:41:49] <asie> https://cdn.mediacru.sh/EpwfxG5eSO-B.png

L795[10:41:57] <Kilobyte> [A <: B] is in java <A ?extends B>

L796[10:42:09] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Whoa asie.

L797[10:42:10] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Whoa.

L798[10:42:17] <asie> 320x100

L799[10:42:17] <Cruor> asie: boooooo :<

L800[10:42:20] <asie> Cruor: what?

L801[10:42:21] <Cruor> back in my day

L802[10:42:24] <Cruor> we abused cclights

L803[10:42:28] <asie> Cruor: LOL

L804[10:42:29] <Kilobyte> Cruor: ^

L805[10:42:30] <SoraFirestorm> lol

L806[10:42:35] <asie> but OpenComputers is actually used by a modpack

L807[10:42:37] <asie> ten, even

L808[10:42:42] <SoraFirestorm> which?

L809[10:42:43] <asie> also this is text mode

L810[10:42:48] <asie> SoraFirestorm: Bevo's Tech Pack is one I know of

L811[10:42:51] <asie> that many people use

L812[10:43:40] <Cruor> asie: isnt my 16x16 cc 1.4 16 color screen Worth anything?!

L813[10:43:49] <Kilobyte> yogscast compete also has it iirc

L814[10:44:07] <asie> Cruor: nope!

L815[10:44:09] <Kilobyte> Cruor: OC supports true color

L816[10:44:10] <asie> not anymore

L817[10:44:13] <asie> Kilobyte: it doesn't

L818[10:44:15] <asie> it's 256 colors

L819[10:44:16] <SoraFirestorm> I have it in my personal pack atm

L820[10:44:17] <asie> of which you can change 16

L821[10:44:25] <asie> truecolor is done via approximation

L822[10:44:25] <Kilobyte> wait huh

L823[10:44:30] <Cruor> Kilobyte: in world screen With turtles .-.

L824[10:44:35] <Kilobyte> oic

L825[10:44:45] <SoraFirestorm> although I haven't gotten far enough to use it

L826[10:44:47] <Kilobyte> turtles... lame robots fte

L827[10:44:53] <Kilobyte> *FTW

L828[10:44:54] <Cruor> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25KuuFr0cFs&list=UUAao7WxoBUNQBdVglc5nekA BACK IN MY DAY

L830[10:45:03] <SoraFirestorm> I try to play too perfectly :(

L831[10:45:13] <asie> Cruor: that's actually not 16 colors

L832[10:45:16] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Yeah.

L833[10:45:18] <asie> that's as many colors as you can feed your turtles

L834[10:45:29] <gjgfujIsAPotato> I saw the yoglabs episode where they even used an oc computer.

L835[10:45:29] <Cruor> nope

L836[10:45:31] <gjgfujIsAPotato> That was good.

L837[10:45:33] <SoraFirestorm> I remember that video! :D

L838[10:45:41] <Cruor> asie: it doesnt use blocks

L839[10:45:43] <gjgfujIsAPotato> For big reactor control.

L840[10:45:48] <asie> Cruor: what DOES it use?

L841[10:45:57] <asie> i clearly see wool

L842[10:45:58] <Cruor> > IC2

L843[10:46:02] <asie> yes

L844[10:46:09] <asie> what about IC2

L845[10:46:10] <Cruor> it doesnt use turtle.dig :p

L846[10:46:12] <asie> ...

L847[10:46:13] <asie> painters

L848[10:46:14] <asie> oh god

L849[10:46:24] <Cruor> back in my days, CC didnt use painters properly :p

L850[10:46:38] <Cruor> items got Down to 1 durability, but didnt break

L851[10:46:40] <SoraFirestorm> what version of mc was this?

L852[10:46:59] <asie> 1.4.7?

L853[10:47:14] <SoraFirestorm> nope, I see a ee2 ring

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L855[10:47:19] <SoraFirestorm> so 1.2.5

L856[10:47:30] <Cruor> ee2 ring? :o

L857[10:47:43] <SoraFirestorm> I think that's what that is

L858[10:47:44] <MrHohenheim> lord of the rings

L859[10:47:45] <SoraFirestorm> although

L860[10:47:57] <SoraFirestorm> "CraftOS 1.4 BETA"

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L862[10:48:22] <SoraFirestorm> the screen looks really weird

L863[10:48:27] <SoraFirestorm> almost like a RP2 monitor

L864[10:49:30] <Cruor> yeah

L865[10:49:39] <Cruor> i changed the color on it :p

L866[10:49:49] <SoraFirestorm> did it used to look like that?

L867[10:49:50] <Kilobyte> I like how in oc the sandbox is implemented lua side

L868[10:49:50] <Cruor> dont think you can do that anymore

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L870[10:49:55] <SoraFirestorm> I don't remember that at all

L871[10:50:01] <SoraFirestorm> oh ok

L872[10:50:19] <SoraFirestorm> I remember looking on the wiki and seeing the picture with the green text and thinking

L873[10:50:23] <SoraFirestorm> 'how do I do that?!?!"

L874[10:50:27] <SoraFirestorm> 'how do I do that?!?!'*

L875[10:50:40] <Cruor> mashed keyboard

L876[10:51:01] <SoraFirestorm> nowadays you can just use an api :P

L877[10:51:20] *** jk-5|gone is now known as jk-5

L878[10:51:20] zsh sets mode: +v on jk-5

L879[10:51:28] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Well, that was the easiest mod I've ever written.

L880[10:51:35] <Kilobyte> lol

L881[10:51:42] <Cruor> gjgfujIsAPotato: does it spew out Fireballs when you walk on them

L882[10:51:42] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Just around 30 lines of non-boilerplate code.

L883[10:51:53] <Kilobyte> scala?

L884[10:51:57] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Yep.

L885[10:52:01] <gjgfujIsAPotato> 2 files.

L886[10:52:05] <Kilobyte> :D

L887[10:52:13] <Cruor> scala looks more sane than Java atleast .-.

L888[10:52:15] <gjgfujIsAPotato> One tile entity, one mod file.

L889[10:52:25] <SoraFirestorm> yeah, definately 1.2.5

L890[10:52:32] <Kilobyte> you may need a block file

L891[10:52:44] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Of course, a mod I make has around 50 lines of boilerplate.

L892[10:52:44] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Kilobyte, Nope.

L893[10:52:46] <Kilobyte> *class

L894[10:52:57] <gjgfujIsAPotato> It's part of my core.

L895[10:53:06] <Kilobyte> ah nice

L896[10:53:12] <Cruor> asie: can you throw a palette thing after OC or are you stuck With preset 256 colors

L897[10:53:19] <gjgfujIsAPotato> soulLock = ItemUtil.makeBlock(this, "soulLock", Material.rock, () => new TileEntitySoulLock(new ItemStack(soulKey))).setBlockUnbreakable()

L898[10:53:39] <gjgfujIsAPotato> hah.

L899[10:53:45] <Kilobyte> nice

L900[10:53:46] <asie> Cruor: preset 240 colors

L901[10:53:46] * Cruor burns gjgfujIsAPotato

L902[10:53:50] <asie> RGB cube, 6 * 8 * 5

L903[10:53:53] <asie> and 16 definable colors

L904[10:53:55] <asie> grayscale by default

L905[10:54:02] <Cruor> awww :<

L906[10:54:02] <asie> that's tier 3

L907[10:54:08] <asie> tier 2 is 16 definable colors, Minecraft colors by default

L908[10:54:10] <asie> tier 1 is 2 colors

L909[10:54:16] <Cruor> boring

L910[10:54:20] <asie> not boring at all

L911[10:54:22] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Best thing, my mods are all opensource.

L912[10:54:29] <asie> it's way better than 16 preset colors, Cruor

L913[10:54:32] <asie> gjgfujIsAPotato: so are mine

L914[10:54:34] <asie> except ReCreate

L915[10:54:34] <gjgfujIsAPotato> People can use my core.

L916[10:54:37] <asie> ...i lost the source code to it

L917[10:54:37] <asie> ;_;p

L918[10:54:37] <Kilobyte> they should be

L919[10:54:50] <Cruor> still boring q_q

L920[10:54:55] <Kilobyte> what's it do?

L921[10:55:00] <asie> Cruor: i'm going to be working on a GUI OS

L922[10:55:09] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Makes it incredibly easy to make a functional mod.

L923[10:55:18] <Kilobyte> Cruor: you are boring

L924[10:55:19] <Cruor> sounds like every CC OS >_<

L925[10:55:21] <gjgfujIsAPotato> No need for all that crap that forge has.

L926[10:55:38] <Cruor> Kilobyte: full rgb plssss

L927[10:55:40] <Cruor> or feed

L928[10:55:44] <asie> Cruor: no, no, no

L929[10:55:49] <Kilobyte> Cruor: oc oses are waaay more complicated

L930[10:55:50] <asie> a true GUI OS

L931[10:56:08] <SoraFirestorm> Dude, Cruor, not even a joke. Faaar more complex.

L932[10:56:12] <Cruor> Kilobyte: at least try to get the joke

L933[10:56:23] <Kilobyte> asie: we need a posix like standard for oses

L934[10:56:31] <asie> there's POSIX

L935[10:56:31] <gjgfujIsAPotato> That we do.

L936[10:56:32] <Cruor> EVERY cc os is a bs graphical Shell thrown on top of CC shell

L937[10:56:33] <SoraFirestorm> Kilobyte: oh yes pleas

L938[10:56:36] *** jk-5 is now known as jk-5|gone

L939[10:56:36] <asie> Cruor: nope

L940[10:56:39] <SoraFirestorm> POSIX!

L941[10:56:40] <asie> have you never seen uniccs?

L942[10:56:42] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Yeah, CC doesn't have oses.

L943[10:56:45] <Kilobyte> posix won't fully work in oc

L944[10:56:45] <SoraFirestorm> POSIX is best standard

L945[10:56:48] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Except mineos.

L946[10:56:54] <SoraFirestorm> Kilobyte: how come?

L947[10:56:57] <asie> http://www.computercraft.info/forums2/index.php?/topic/12724-uniccs-unfinished/

L948[10:56:58] <asie> OBJECTION!

L949[10:57:02] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Kilobyte, why?

L950[10:57:09] <Kilobyte> because it needs pointers and stuff

L951[10:57:15] <Kilobyte> also, fork()

L952[10:57:18] <asie> Cruor: is that a graphical shell on top of CC?

L953[10:57:20] <SoraFirestorm> damn!

L954[10:57:31] <Kilobyte> fork() won't work in oc

L955[10:57:34] <SoraFirestorm> Well... almost-POSIX! :D

L956[10:57:51] <Kilobyte> yeah, take posix, adapt it

L957[10:57:52] <Cruor> asie: unless you kill bios.lua, or become top coroutine, yes >_<

L958[10:58:11] <asie> Cruor: so is every computer OS a bs shell on top of BIOS? no

L959[10:58:28] <asie> or was Windows 95 a bs shell on top of DOS? yes but that's not the point

L960[10:58:31] <Kilobyte> in cc it is iirc

L961[10:58:52] <Cruor> CC "os"es run ontop of CCs shell

L962[10:58:53] <Cruor> and thats bs

L963[10:58:58] <SoraFirestorm> The qualifier 'in CC' pretty much wins it. OSes in CC suck for that reason.

L964[10:58:59] <Kilobyte> ^

L965[10:59:13] <gjgfujIsAPotato> I have 7 projects in my gradle build now.

L966[10:59:15] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Sigh.

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L968[10:59:25] <Cruor> if you become top Level and terminate Shell(possible afaik), you are atleast more "os"y

L969[10:59:28] <asie> Cruor: i take control as soon as possible

L970[10:59:31] <Kilobyte> I might make a proposal for oses later

L971[10:59:35] <SoraFirestorm> Almost every 'OS' is more like a shell

L972[10:59:36] <Cruor> but CC implements so much bs in Shell and bios.lua

L973[10:59:52] <Kilobyte> asie: for GUI stuff go xserver approach

L974[10:59:52] <gjgfujIsAPotato> CC is bs.

L975[10:59:56] <gjgfujIsAPotato> That's how it works.

L976[10:59:59] <asie> Kilobyte: why not just

L977[11:00:02] <asie> implement an X server

L978[11:00:02] <gjgfujIsAPotato> It's not clean in any way.

L979[11:00:04] <asie> in OC?

L980[11:00:09] <Cruor> gjgfujIsAPotato: to me, OC is just as bad as CC

L981[11:00:15] <Cruor> it just has some... better implemented stuff

L982[11:00:16] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Cruor, hmm?

L983[11:00:17] <Kilobyte> well, a minimalistic one

L984[11:00:20] <SoraFirestorm> an X server? have you lost your mind?

L985[11:00:22] <asie> Cruor: but OC is open and you can help fix what you dislike

L986[11:00:31] <asie> SoraFirestorm: still better than f***ing Wayland

L987[11:00:33] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Cruor, What not?

L988[11:00:34] <Cruor> asie: ROLL IN THE PYTHON

L989[11:00:46] <SoraFirestorm> what exactly is wrong with wayland?

L990[11:00:48] <asie> Cruor: you can do that

L991[11:00:50] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Cruor, Completely possible.

L992[11:00:57] <asie> SoraFirestorm: they removed modularity and they follow freedesktop's ways of bloating everything up

L993[11:00:59] *** jk-5|gone is now known as jk-5

L994[11:01:38] <Kilobyte> grab jython and write platform plugin

L995[11:01:45] <asie> yep

L996[11:01:49] <asie> you can do it all you want

L997[11:01:54] <asie> then just write a custom OS for it and you're golden

L998[11:01:56] <Kilobyte> but idk if you can sandbox jython

L999[11:02:02] <asie> Kilobyte: you probably can

L1000[11:02:07] <SoraFirestorm> it's not like a graphics server is reasonable for CC anyways

L1001[11:02:07] <asie> just remove all the APIs which touch the OS directly

L1002[11:02:10] <asie> that's how you sandbox something

L1003[11:02:19] <SoraFirestorm> only one person will use the damn thing - the writer

L1004[11:02:30] <Kilobyte> you can do in jruby, but its hacky

L1005[11:02:31] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Meanwhile.

L1006[11:02:41] <Cruor> meh, id rather just run Lua

L1007[11:02:44] <SoraFirestorm> CC is so 1980's where everyone took a dump on standards

L1008[11:02:46] <gjgfujIsAPotato> OC it actually works.

L1009[11:02:58] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Lemme change my nick, irc.

L1010[11:03:01] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Work for me.

L1011[11:03:02] <Kilobyte> oc needs proper standards

L1012[11:03:13] <gjgfujIsAPotato> OC does need proper standards.

L1013[11:03:15] <Kilobyte> other that that it's epic

L1014[11:03:18] <SoraFirestorm> Kilobyte: like POSIX?

L1015[11:03:20] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Like a standard package manager.

L1016[11:03:21] <Cruor> only reason i like OC is because stuff is implemented better than in CC

L1017[11:03:24] <gjgfujIsAPotato> That's important.

L1018[11:03:26] <gjgfujIsAPotato> I think.

L1019[11:03:29] <MrHohenheim> Cruor, :)

L1020[11:03:30] <Kilobyte> oppm

L1021[11:03:31] <Cruor> ... some Things in CC................

L1022[11:03:32] <SoraFirestorm> I thought OC had a package manager

L1023[11:03:41] <gjgfujIsAPotato> OC does have a package manager.

L1024[11:03:47] <SoraFirestorm> that's what I thought

L1025[11:03:50] <gjgfujIsAPotato> It has several iirc.

L1026[11:03:52] <Cruor> stuff that dan has hardcoded Java side <_<

L1027[11:03:58] <MrHohenheim> i like the keyboard and pc case

L1028[11:04:00] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Important: several.

L1029[11:04:04] <Cruor> os.time is the best example....

L1030[11:04:25] <Cruor> how do you even f*** up on such a simple function q_q

L1031[11:04:29] <Kilobyte> well os.time needs to be implemented in java

L1032[11:04:35] <Cruor> yes

L1033[11:04:42] <SoraFirestorm> yeah, unfortunately CC does a ton java-side :/

L1034[11:04:42] <Cruor> but it could be a Lua side API to Return it as hours

L1035[11:05:02] <Cruor> so that People who disagree With it returning hours could kill the **** out of it

L1036[11:05:04] <PotatoTrumpet> .jenkins

L1038[11:05:30] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Darn it gradle.

L1039[11:05:31] <Kilobyte> it doesnt do "unix" timestamp

L1040[11:05:34] <Kilobyte> wtf

L1041[11:05:38] <SoraFirestorm> why would you?

L1042[11:05:40] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Build failed, total time 8 mins.

L1043[11:05:46] <PotatoTrumpet> .jenkins OpenComputers-MC1.7.10

L1044[11:05:47] <SoraFirestorm> unix-style timestamps are unnecessary

L1045[11:05:47] <EnderBot2> OpenComputers-1.3-MC1.7.10: #42: http://goo.gl/0SSbqw

L1046[11:05:57] <Cruor> SoraFirestorm: more sane than returning hours

L1047[11:06:06] <Kilobyte> they are defacto standard

L1048[11:06:13] <gjgfujIsAPotato> It took 8 mins for the build to tell me there's an error.

L1049[11:06:16] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Gorrammit.

L1050[11:06:19] <Cruor> and then compensating With adding os.date when you see how you have f***d up

L1051[11:06:21] <asie> Kilobyte: Minecraft does NOT have real time

L1052[11:06:21] <Cruor> <_<

L1053[11:06:22] <SoraFirestorm> not when a minute takes less than a second to go by

L1054[11:06:26] <Kilobyte> iirc even windows uses them

L1055[11:06:31] <asie> and it should NOT

L1056[11:06:37] <asie> have a way to access the real-world UNIX timestamp

L1057[11:06:37] <Kilobyte> hm yeah

L1058[11:06:39] <asie> that would break immersion

L1059[11:06:45] <Cruor> asie: world time

L1060[11:06:47] <asie> but an os.time() counted in ticks would make a lot more sense already

L1061[11:06:56] <Kilobyte> for example

L1062[11:07:01] <Cruor> ticks/Seconds since world was created

L1063[11:07:15] <SoraFirestorm> ^ reasonable

L1064[11:07:20] <Kilobyte> indeed

L1065[11:07:23] <asie> v That proposal is not reasonable.

L1066[11:07:43] <SoraFirestorm> what? why?

L1067[11:07:58] <asie> SoraFirestorm: look at the arrow's direction

L1068[11:08:01] <asie> :)

L1069[11:08:11] <SoraFirestorm> I noticed. oh

L1070[11:08:13] <Kilobyte> I should pr ui.popen() into oc

L1071[11:08:13] <SoraFirestorm> oh

L1072[11:08:17] <SoraFirestorm> so stupid :(

L1073[11:08:21] <Kilobyte> *io

L1074[11:08:51] <SoraFirestorm> honestly don't see a good reason to use io.popen tbh

L1075[11:09:01] <Cruor> SoraFirestorm: its awesome

L1076[11:09:04] <Cruor> and CC lacks it

L1077[11:09:08] <Cruor> so why the heck not? o_O

L1078[11:09:30] <SoraFirestorm> I said /I/ don't see a good reason

L1079[11:09:36] <Cruor> exactly!

L1080[11:09:36] <SoraFirestorm> don't care about the rest of you :P

L1081[11:09:41] <Cruor> thats why we need it

L1082[11:10:07] <Kilobyte> oc already has everything popen needs

L1083[11:10:13] <Kilobyte> so why not add

L1084[11:10:51] <Kilobyte> useful for attaching to a process

L1085[11:11:08] <Cruor> useful for running Windows commands from lua bot

L1086[11:11:09] <Cruor> *cough*

L1087[11:11:18] <Kilobyte> no

L1088[11:11:27] <Kilobyte> it would popen lua stuff

L1089[11:11:41] <Kilobyte> inside sandbox only

L1090[11:11:47] <Cruor> that was in a /real world/ context

L1091[11:11:49] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Darn it.

L1092[11:11:53] <gjgfujIsAPotato> I forgot this bit.

L1093[11:11:54] <Cruor> not OC

L1094[11:11:54] <gjgfujIsAPotato> , modLanguage="scala"

L1095[11:12:01] <gjgfujIsAPotato> :((((((((((((

L1096[11:12:08] <Cruor> modLanguage = "Python"

L1097[11:12:09] <Cruor> pls .-.

L1098[11:12:26] <SoraFirestorm> modLanguage = "amd64 hexcode" ?

L1099[11:12:31] <Kilobyte> to access ur real world stuff can be accessed using kernel.ui.popen if you use the fork i'll provide

L1100[11:12:39] <Kilobyte> *io

L1101[11:12:57] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Python's terrible though.

L1102[11:13:00] <Kilobyte> ^

L1103[11:13:09] <gjgfujIsAPotato> The only reason I use it is because of pygame.

L1104[11:13:17] <Cruor> pygame looks like trash

L1105[11:13:28] <Kilobyte> why is it True and not true -.-

L1106[11:13:36] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Cruor, it's not though, it's actually very good.

L1107[11:13:45] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Kilobyte, ikr.

L1108[11:13:47] <Kilobyte> why indention sensitive -.-

L1109[11:13:50] <PotatoTrumpet> Night people

L1110[11:13:54] <gjgfujIsAPotato> It's very weird.

L1111[11:13:57] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Night PotatoTrumpet.

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L1113[11:14:01] <Cruor> because its made for readability

L1114[11:14:09] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Yeah, no.

L1115[11:14:24] <gjgfujIsAPotato> If you want a readable language, go look at ruby.

L1116[11:14:37] <gjgfujIsAPotato> If you want a language with weird syntax rules, get python.

L1117[11:14:41] <Kilobyte> I get eyebleed from python code

L1118[11:14:49] <gjgfujIsAPotato> I do too.

L1119[11:15:06] <Cruor> i get eyebleed from others Python code <_>

L1120[11:15:14] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Execution failed for task ':SoulBound:getAssetsIndex'.

L1121[11:15:14] <gjgfujIsAPotato> > javax.net.ssl.SSLException: Received close_notify during handshake

L1122[11:15:20] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Huh?

L1123[11:15:24] <gjgfujIsAPotato> What an error.

L1124[11:15:33] <Kilobyte> I dont get eyebleed from others ruby

L1125[11:15:53] <gjgfujIsAPotato> I get eyebleed from my own ruby, but not others.

L1126[11:16:05] <Cruor> i get eyebleed from about all code that isnt mine q_q

L1127[11:16:06] <gjgfujIsAPotato> I get eyebleed from all python.

L1128[11:16:23] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Mainly because I don't write ruby anymore.

L1129[11:16:24] <gjgfujIsAPotato> :)

L1130[11:16:34] <gjgfujIsAPotato> All the scala.

L1131[11:16:50] <gjgfujIsAPotato> I want a OC machine running scala.

L1132[11:16:55] <gjgfujIsAPotato> That sounds cool.

L1133[11:17:04] <gjgfujIsAPotato> I wonder how hard it'd be.

L1134[11:17:06] <dangranos> oc in oc?

L1135[11:17:12] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Sure.

L1136[11:17:27] <gjgfujIsAPotato> OC running minecraft.

L1137[11:17:36] <SoraFirestorm> yo dawg

L1138[11:17:37] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Actual minecraft.

L1139[11:17:41] <Kilobyte> im going to write a scala like Lang that compiles to lua

L1140[11:17:46] <Kilobyte> anyways bbl food

L1141[11:17:47] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Hmm?

L1142[11:18:26] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Only thing I have left to do for my mod is resources.

L1143[11:18:32] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Sigh.

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L1145[11:18:43] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Anyone good at flashy cool lookin textures?

L1146[11:19:17] <gjgfujIsAPotato> That kinda look like the soul?

L1147[11:19:38] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Because I need 2 keys, a regular key, a pure key, and equivalent locks.

L1148[11:19:38] <dangranos> huh?

L1149[11:19:53] <gjgfujIsAPotato> As well as decoration blocks that kinda look similar.

L1150[11:20:13] <gjgfujIsAPotato> Anyone good at textures?

L1151[11:35:26] <SoraFirestorm> Which version of 5.2 does OC run? 5.2.3?

L1152[11:39:46] <istasi> lua version?

L1153[11:40:27] <SoraFirestorm> yeah

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L1155[11:44:46] <Kilobyte> "Lua+Eris 5.2.3" iirc

L1156[11:45:18] <SoraFirestorm> k

L1157[11:46:31] <Kilobyte> Eris is the lua persistence lib sangar uses

L1158[11:46:56] <SoraFirestorm> yeah

L1159[11:47:16] <Kilobyte> s/uses/wrote

L1160[11:47:16] <Kibibyte> <Kilobyte> Eris is the lua persistence lib sangar wrote

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L1169[11:56:35] <asie> hi

L1170[11:56:39] <asie> Sangar: you here?

L1171[11:56:45] <asie> i have two things to discuss over with you

L1172[11:56:51] <asie> oh, you're not

L1173[11:56:55] <asie> stupid away list loading too long

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L1178[12:11:53] <dangranos> ._.

L1179[12:12:01] <asie> hi

L1180[12:13:13] <SoraFirestorm> So, someone stop me if I'm wrong, but

L1181[12:13:44] <SoraFirestorm> Keep track of each lua thread (coroutine) allocation, and it's stack, and tada, per-coroutine memory report?

L1182[12:15:01] <dangranos> uh

L1183[12:15:15] <SoraFirestorm> That /sounds/ right

L1184[12:15:21] <SoraFirestorm> not sure if it is though

L1185[12:15:40] <dangranos> are you sure that coroutines are threads?

L1186[12:15:51] <SoraFirestorm> lua 'thread'

L1187[12:16:01] <SoraFirestorm> referring to the internal representation

L1188[12:16:09] <SoraFirestorm> not OS threads

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L1190[12:16:38] <SoraFirestorm> For example

L1191[12:16:42] <SoraFirestorm> NL = lua_newthread(L);

L1192[12:16:47] <SoraFirestorm> From the lcorolib.c file

L1193[12:17:12] <SoraFirestorm> the internal representation is 'thread' :)

L1194[12:19:09] <dangranos> so, how do you track coroutine thread memory allocation and stack?

L1195[12:19:22] <Kilobyte> assert(type(coroutine.create(function() end)) == "thread")

L1196[12:19:35] <SoraFirestorm> And that too

L1197[12:20:01] <SoraFirestorm> dangranos: you can add hooks into lua_newthread() and everywhere else

L1198[12:20:25] <SoraFirestorm> I'm thinking that it's basically sizeof(thread) + sizeof(each_item_on_stack)

L1199[12:20:38] <dangranos> i really should try to learn C

L1200[12:20:53] <SoraFirestorm> And to get the size of the stack items, you just iterate with a for loop or something over the threads stack

L1201[12:20:59] <SoraFirestorm> (Hopefully) no problem

L1202[12:21:24] <Kilobyte> why not do pointer math?

L1203[12:21:52] <SoraFirestorm> You mean on the stack?

L1204[12:22:05] <SoraFirestorm> because I don't think everything has one type

L1205[12:22:30] <Kilobyte> well, isn't the stack contious memory?

L1206[12:22:38] <SoraFirestorm> I'm honestly not sure

L1207[12:22:42] <SoraFirestorm> I'm still digging

L1208[12:23:35] <Kilobyte> im not sure either

L1209[12:25:04] <dangranos> > int stacksize;

L1210[12:25:54] <SoraFirestorm> where?

L1211[12:26:02] <SoraFirestorm> in the lua_thread struct?

L1212[12:26:15] <dangranos> lua_State

L1213[12:26:17] <SoraFirestorm> oh, yeah, sure enough

L1214[12:26:19] <SoraFirestorm> derp

L1215[12:26:19] <dangranos> http://www.lua.org/source/5.2/lstate.h.html#stack

L1216[12:26:26] <SoraFirestorm> I see it

L1217[12:27:08] <SoraFirestorm> So then we just do 'sizeof(lua_State) + state->size)' right?

L1218[12:27:19] <SoraFirestorm> Or is size an index number...

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L1220[12:29:25] <SoraFirestorm> might be an index number

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L1224[12:37:10] <Kilobyte> it might

L1225[12:38:08] <SoraFirestorm> I'm looking through it

L1226[12:38:24] <SoraFirestorm> As soon as I think I have enough understanding, will create small test program in C

L1227[12:43:44] <ds84182> SoraFirestorm, what you might want to do is access each stack value individually and handle the size for each object. The main problem is Lua values that internally use pointers, that makes it harder to get a valid size of the stack.

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L1229[12:44:19] <SoraFirestorm> ds84182: That's what I was thinking of doing, but then it was pointed out that lua_State has a stack size member

L1230[12:44:27] <LordFokas> asie o/

L1231[12:44:38] <asie> LordFokas https://cdn.mediacru.sh/EpwfxG5eSO-B.png

L1232[12:44:42] <asie> and others too

L1233[12:44:47] <SoraFirestorm> So, if it is a real-deal actual number, I can just use that instead

L1234[12:44:53] <LordFokas> :O

L1235[12:44:59] <istasi> nice :O

L1236[12:45:21] <ds84182> I think thats only in indices

L1237[12:45:35] <ds84182> Because StkId is a pointer

L1238[12:45:40] <istasi> asie, lua lib?, or component that does it?

L1239[12:45:56] <SoraFirestorm> I had a feeling it might be

L1240[12:46:02] <istasi> the png converting i mean

L1241[12:46:07] <SoraFirestorm> I'm banging out a small C program to check

L1242[12:46:08] <ds84182> so technically the internal lua code would access the last element on stack with state->stack[state->size]

L1243[12:46:08] <asie> istasi: the PNG converting is done on my computer

L1244[12:46:12] <asie> i plan to make a special OC image format

L1245[12:46:58] <asie> istasi: but it's all normal OpenComputers

L1246[12:47:05] <asie> as in the displaying

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L1249[12:55:05] <SoraFirestorm> fffuuuu

L1250[12:55:09] <SoraFirestorm> help plz

L1251[12:55:11] <SoraFirestorm> http://pastebin.com/dBZb7rva

L1252[12:55:22] <SoraFirestorm> I have no idea how I'm getting my compiler flags wrong

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L1256[13:12:56] <SoraFirestorm> screw this

L1257[13:13:01] <SoraFirestorm> going to take a nap for a bit

L1258[13:18:08] <dangranos> i hope i wont brick it

L1259[13:18:38] <ds84182> #scalacompilestobrainfuck

L1260[13:22:15] <ds84182> SoraFirestorm, your problem is that you cannot just link lua together with your binary. You need to retrieve the internal headers from the lua source code so you can access the lua_State internals

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L1271[14:47:11] <gamax92> hey asie!

L1272[14:47:28] <gamax92> asie: on this, what resolution is the image? https://cdn.mediacru.sh/EpwfxG5eSO-B.png

L1273[14:47:28] <asie> gamax92: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/EpwfxG5eSO-B.png

L1274[14:47:30] <asie> oh

L1275[14:47:32] <gamax92> :P

L1276[14:47:32] <asie> 320x100, why?

L1277[14:47:43] <gamax92> doubled horizontally?

L1278[14:47:47] <asie> and vertically!

L1279[14:47:54] <gamax92> oshiit

L1280[14:48:07] <gamax92> asie: may i ask which charachter is it then?

L1281[14:48:43] <asie> gamax92: all 16 of them

L1282[14:48:45] <asie> :)

L1283[14:48:56] <gamax92> wat

L1284[14:49:07] <gamax92> asie: unicode character

L1285[14:49:13] <asie> not telling :^)

L1286[14:49:26] <gamax92> oh, not like i can just go back process the entirety of unifont

L1287[14:49:31] <gamax92> batch*

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L1289[14:52:23] <gamax92> and found them and or something that will do that

L1290[14:53:11] <asie> gamax92: haha

L1291[14:53:12] <asie> :)

L1292[14:53:15] <asie> 2580-259F

L1293[14:53:39] <gamax92> so then i did find them :D

L1294[14:53:48] <gamax92> all by scrolling around on a bmp

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L1300[15:08:48] <robhol> lol

L1301[15:09:13] <robhol> Lucky Star and Nichijou crossover <3

L1302[15:09:39] <robhol> 10/10 would hug

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L1304[15:13:10] <asie> robhol: who wouldn't?

L1305[15:13:19] <asie> those two animations represent Kyoto Animation's First Moe Brigade

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L1307[15:19:22] <Cruor> i havent seen lucky star >_<

L1308[15:19:32] * istasi googles lucky star

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L1321[16:07:09] <asie> hi

L1322[16:07:29] <v^> o/

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L1327[16:33:56] <EnderCat> o/

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L1329[16:40:45] <v^> fried broke rib

L1330[16:40:49] <v^> diddnt go to doctor

L1331[16:40:53] <v^> my why

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L1334[16:43:19] <Sangar> evenin' o/

L1335[16:43:42] <EnderCat> \o]

L1336[16:43:55] <Sangar> you in a box again?

L1337[16:43:58] <EnderCat> nope

L1338[16:44:20] <EnderCat> just a wild 2-right-angle elbows

L1339[16:44:30] <Techokami> ahoy

L1340[16:44:30] <Sangar> allright then :P

L1341[16:44:42] <EnderCat> Aye

L1342[16:49:55] <v^> $bal Sangar

L1343[16:49:56] <^vDoge> v^, Ɖ62934

L1344[16:50:05] <Sangar> woah o.O

L1345[16:50:14] <Sangar> that's... a lot isn't it?

L1346[16:50:26] <v^> $conv 63000

L1347[16:50:26] <^vDoge> v^, Ɖ63000 = $13.1487 €9.8279 £7.7882

L1348[16:50:29] <v^> ._. yep

L1349[16:51:09] <Sangar> wow. thanks! now i can actually buy people a beer/cookie/something :D

L1350[16:51:46] <Sangar> we could make that the 0-day prize pool >_>

L1351[16:52:32] <v^> actually i think the minimum to convert to real money is 100k

L1352[16:55:07] <Sangar> oh, well then.

L1353[16:55:34] <Sangar> they'll have to find a bar that takes dogecoin then

L1354[17:04:05] <v^> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Launcher_Platform

L1355[17:04:07] <v^> MLP

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L1357[17:04:21] <v^> lets use this and confuse the fuck out of people

L1358[17:04:25] <asie> hi

L1359[17:05:14] <Sangar> hi asie

L1360[17:05:21] <asie> Sangar: i have something to show you

L1361[17:05:26] <Sangar> oh?

L1362[17:05:51] <asie> Sangar: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/EpwfxG5eSO-B.png

L1363[17:05:58] <asie> unmodified OpenComputers 1.3

L1364[17:06:16] <asie> configs untouched, etc

L1365[17:06:22] <Sangar> wow! using half-block chars for double res, i guess?

L1366[17:06:25] <asie> Sangar: no.

L1367[17:06:28] <asie> using quadrants for quadruple res

L1368[17:06:29] <asie> 320x100

L1369[17:06:42] <Sangar> woah. sick :D

L1370[17:06:56] <asie> 256 colors

L1371[17:07:04] <asie> though words cannot begin to express how mad I am at you for making the 240 colors preset

L1372[17:07:06] <asie> :<

L1373[17:07:11] <Sangar> >_>

L1374[17:07:16] <asie> actually, no

L1375[17:07:17] <asie> i wasn't mad at all

L1376[17:07:24] <asie> i was more mad at the fact you cannot specify indexes 16-255 directly

L1377[17:07:28] <asie> so my compression attempts went in vain

L1378[17:07:31] <Sangar> ah

L1379[17:07:35] <asie> and i had to re-generate your entire palette as RGB colors in the Lua code

L1380[17:07:44] <asie> so i had a 256-color palette of colors

L1381[17:07:52] <asie> generated via code ported over from OC

L1382[17:07:57] <asie> and then instead of feeding gpu.setBackground() the color

L1383[17:08:01] <asie> i fed the RGB version of the color

L1384[17:08:05] <asie> to convert it back to the color in question

L1385[17:08:07] <asie> but hey, it works!

L1386[17:08:13] <Sangar> indeed!

L1387[17:08:24] <asie> and that way it's also reasonably portable to tier 2 displays

L1388[17:08:37] <Sangar> also i had completely forgotten what mlp meant >_>

L1389[17:08:49] <asie> there are a few optimizations i want to do before official release:

L1390[17:08:49] <robhol> ewww, mlp

L1391[17:08:56] <asie> 1. RLE encoding of identically paletted quadrants

L1392[17:09:03] <asie> that is so i ccan gpu.set() more than 1 char at a time and speed up drawing

L1393[17:09:13] <Sangar> mhm

L1394[17:09:18] <asie> 2. the ability to define the first 16 colors

L1395[17:09:33] <asie> but that's going to be quite hard as it will need a high-quality custom quantization algorithm

L1396[17:10:20] <asie> and then i plan to document this as the OCIF

L1397[17:10:21] <asie> OC Image Format

L1398[17:10:45] <Sangar> another idea, expand the identical setting into the second dimension (if you don't plan that anyway), and overwrite differences in bigger unicolored rectangles? just a thought.

L1399[17:10:59] <asie> Sangar: i can't really gpu.set a rectangle

L1400[17:11:03] <Sangar> fill

L1401[17:11:06] <Sangar> ohwait

L1402[17:11:07] <Sangar> chars

L1403[17:11:11] <asie> yeah

L1404[17:11:11] <Sangar> well, still

L1405[17:11:16] <asie> look at the pic again

L1406[17:11:22] <asie> almost 80% of everything is chars

L1407[17:11:34] <Sangar> mm, true, lots of dithering

L1408[17:11:38] <asie> yeah

L1409[17:11:42] <asie> i didn't test how a non-dithered version would look yet

L1410[17:12:05] <asie> it appears to me that it would actually look a lot better

L1411[17:12:11] <asie> though less impressive

L1412[17:12:37] <Sangar> heh

L1413[17:14:08] <Kilobyte> Sangar: where have you been?

L1414[17:14:41] <Sangar> Kilobyte, uni

L1415[17:15:01] <Kilobyte> entire yesterday?

L1416[17:15:10] <istasi> :P

L1417[17:15:10] <Sangar> getting profs to give me dates for the tests :P

L1418[17:15:33] <Sangar> entire today, yesterday i was busy sending mails, finding materials and protocols

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L1420[17:16:22] <Techokami> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1xNy258Z3p4

L1422[17:17:35] <Techokami> this owns, Petit Computer owns, where's the sequel

L1423[17:18:44] <Kilobyte> Sangar: we talked about io.popen yesterday, should we add it to oc?

L1424[17:19:06] <Techokami> asie: awesome image render! How long does it take to draw to the monitor?

L1425[17:19:07] <Sangar> Kilobyte, in principle, absolutely

L1426[17:19:25] <Kilobyte> shouldnt be too hard

L1427[17:19:37] <Kilobyte> since we can redirect stdio

L1428[17:19:54] <Kilobyte> but that would require better multitasking

L1429[17:20:28] <Sangar> yeah, iirc that's where my thought-process hit a wall, too, when considering it :P

L1430[17:23:27] <Kilobyte> also me and a few other people got the idea to specify a posix like standard for oc allowing for better compat

L1431[17:23:54] <Kilobyte> first thing to specify would be the API

L1432[17:24:24] <Sangar> OpenPosix :>

L1433[17:24:35] <Kilobyte> something like that

L1434[17:24:36] <dangranos> :O

L1435[17:25:23] <Techokami> I'm all for OpenPosix

L1436[17:25:30] <Sangar> sure. i don't have a problem with pull requests / adjustments to openos as long as they're non-breaking :P (and t1.5 ram is enough to run it... i've kind of given up on t1 anyway)

L1437[17:25:34] <Kilobyte> so if ppl make oses and they all follow that standard a program written for one of them will most likely run on all of them

L1438[17:26:06] <Sangar> (i consider t1 to be more for custom minimal oses at this point)

L1439[17:26:16] <Sangar> Kilobyte, that'd be cool, yeah

L1440[17:26:37] <Kilobyte> well, OpenOS won't get fs permissions. so can*() will always return true

L1441[17:26:47] <Sangar> i'll even refrain from pasting the 'standards' xkcd, that's how much i like the idea ;)

L1442[17:27:24] <Kilobyte> it would also define a backward compat layer

L1443[17:27:27] <Kilobyte> :P

L1444[17:27:51] <Kilobyte> aka a superset of current OpenOS

L1445[17:29:08] <Kilobyte> i'll write a first proposal later and ask for comments

L1446[17:29:28] <Sangar> sounds good

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L1448[17:29:48] <Sangar> gtg, will be back later in the evening

L1449[17:29:53] <Kilobyte> kk

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L1452[17:36:59] <asie> Techokami: 8 chars/tick

L1453[17:37:03] <asie> #BlameSangar

L1454[17:38:58] <Kilobyte> that's not THAT bad

L1455[17:39:11] <Kilobyte> 160 per second

L1456[17:39:20] <Kilobyte> one can live with that

L1457[17:39:58] <asie> that's a line a second

L1458[17:40:21] <Kilobyte> oh hm

L1459[17:40:50] <Kilobyte> well, iirc he'll.add double buffering which can be used for higher speeds

L1460[17:42:47] <asie> please

L1461[17:43:12] <Kilobyte> I had the idea and he liked it

L1462[17:44:54] <istasi> wonder how he'll implement it, keep the delay despite writing to buffer, but make "applying" the buffer to screen instant?

L1463[17:48:13] <Kilobyte> writing to buffer will prob be instant, flipping buffers will be slower though

L1464[17:48:14] <Techokami> wow that is not a lot of chars/tick :/ it's going to make OC less competitive in the GUI application scene against ComputerCraft

L1465[17:48:55] <Kilobyte> it's because lots of network activity

L1466[17:49:08] <Techokami> perhaps more expensive and power-hungry video cards could push faster?

L1467[17:49:28] <Kilobyte> with double buffering you could massively cut down packets aka better speed

L1468[17:49:43] <Techokami> aha

L1469[17:49:49] <Kilobyte> Techokami: its no balance thing, but technical

L1470[17:50:13] <Techokami> so how the heck does ComputerCraft get away with it

L1471[17:50:30] <dangranos> what are you talking about?

L1472[17:50:39] <istasi> you can write faster to screen, if you write more of the 'same', but if you need each character with a possible new color then it'll be slower

L1473[17:51:04] <Techokami> dangranos, we're talking about GPU write speeds in OC

L1474[17:51:11] <Kilobyte> cc is far less network efficient

L1475[17:51:34] <Kilobyte> plus less data to push (only 16 colors

L1476[17:51:47] <Techokami> ahaa

L1477[17:51:59] <Techokami> yeah CC was really laggy in SMP...

L1478[17:52:26] <Kilobyte> that's like comparing thermalexpansion and bc

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L1481[18:00:48] <Wobbo> O/

L1482[18:02:36] <asie> Sangar: have you considered caching all the gpu.sets() and then sending them in a single packet per tick?

L1483[18:02:44] <asie> that would not only lag less, it would also be a lot more efficient

L1484[18:02:52] <asie> and then you could raise the speed up a lot

L1485[18:03:11] <LordFokas> Let's all go to CC's channel shove that in their faces and get threatened and banned by Amanda :p

L1486[18:03:54] <asie> No

L1487[18:04:00] <asie> Let's just go to CC's channel and post my win

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L1489[18:04:49] <asie> bvu

L1490[18:04:52] <asie> but once i get double buffering

L1491[18:04:58] <asie> i will be able to combine it with Computronics Tape Drives

L1492[18:04:59] <asie> >:D

L1493[18:05:02] <Techokami> YES

L1494[18:05:47] <Techokami> that reminds me, I want to look into how Bibliocraft handles what items it classifies as discs

L1495[18:05:58] <Techokami> so I can make tapes storable in disc racks

L1496[18:06:44] <Techokami> I want to put a collection of music in my Minecraft home and I want to display it nicely

L1497[18:07:22] <EnderCat> asie, idea of a random block to add to computronics. casset cabinet, looks sorta like BiblioCraft's book cases but can only store tapes

L1498[18:08:24] <Techokami> EnderCat I'm looking into how to make tapes storable with Bibliocraft's existing visual storage blocks

L1499[18:08:34] <EnderCat> ok

L1500[18:09:03] <EnderCat> but dedicated would be better and if i could do 3d models i'd make one (i cant model worth shit)

L1501[18:10:17] <asie> EnderCat: no.

L1502[18:10:23] <asie> Techokami: use the disc rack

L1503[18:10:24] <EnderCat> :(

L1504[18:10:26] <asie> and add "tape" to the keyword list

L1505[18:10:28] <asie> that's what i do

L1506[18:10:48] <Techokami> oh so it's purely a config thing?

L1507[18:11:36] <Techokami> done

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L1510[18:14:07] <Kilobyte> might not be able to work on specs for our os standard, my stomach hurts

L1511[18:14:20] <Techokami> aw

L1512[18:14:49] <Kilobyte> tomorrow, but possibly not today

L1513[18:15:36] <Techokami> asie, how goes your wireless redstone mod? :O

L1514[18:16:16] <asie> doesn't

L1515[18:16:18] <asie> i am working on a pack

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L1517[18:16:45] <Techokami> aha

L1518[18:18:50] <asie> "Engineer's Paradise" is the working name

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L1521[18:20:35] <dangranos> asie: will it have only opensource mods?

L1522[18:21:32] <Wobbo> Knowing asie, he wants to tinker with the mods

L1523[18:22:09] <EnderCat> knowing asie (and from reading chat) the mods will either be opensource or FOSS and tweaked to some extent

L1524[18:23:19] <asie> not all of them are open source

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L1526[18:23:22] <asie> the biggest closed one is RailCraft

L1527[18:23:38] <asie> but all of them will be tinkered with and tweaked

L1528[18:24:27] <Wobbo> asie: Even computronics? :P

L1529[18:24:39] <EnderCat> no, he hates that mod

L1530[18:24:40] <EnderCat> :P

L1531[18:24:42] <EnderCat> jk

L1532[18:25:42] <asie> Wobbo: Computronics too, actually

L1533[18:25:47] <asie> some defaults are changed

L1534[18:26:20] <EnderCat> meh, i'ma go back to playing space engineers

L1535[18:26:20] <dangranos> asie, what about reika's mods?

L1536[18:27:25] * Kilobyte no longer likes rc since he got kicked from dev channel for being a CoFH member

L1537[18:27:46] <istasi> rc?

L1538[18:27:51] <istasi> oh nvm

L1539[18:27:52] <Wobbo> Kilobyte: CoFH?

L1540[18:28:06] <dangranos> what is rc?

L1541[18:28:10] <Techokami> hm, my 1.7.10 pack is p.good on the opensource/FOSS front, biggest closed mods are Bibliocraft and Twilight Forest

L1542[18:28:48] <Kilobyte> Wobbo: dont tell me you dont know what/who CoFH is

L1543[18:29:11] <Wobbo> It doesn't ring a bell.

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L1545[18:29:36] <Kilobyte> the team behind thermal expansion etc

L1546[18:29:53] <Kilobyte> im no te dev though

L1547[18:30:11] <Kilobyte> only helping with their irc channel

L1548[18:30:23] <Wobbo> Kilobyte: I'm not really into modding mc :P

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L1550[18:34:59] <Wobbo> Brb

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L1554[18:35:22] <Wobbo> back

L1555[18:41:25] <EnderCat> Kilobyte, thats stupid

L1556[18:42:33] <EnderCat> though to be honest i dont like CJ much

L1557[18:43:22] <dangranos> YAAAY

L1558[18:43:42] <EnderCat> "<dangranos> what is rc?" Rail Craft

L1559[18:44:20] <dangranos> i installed CWM recovery

L1560[18:46:39] <robhol> lol, wow

L1561[18:47:02] <robhol> people's retarded bullshit in the minecraft "community" just never ceases to amaze, does it

L1562[18:48:01] <Wobbo> Wait, minecraft has a community? I thought it was a collection of warring states!

L1563[18:48:29] <robhol> um.. yeah. what did I say? :p

L1564[18:56:58] <dangranos> :O

L1565[18:57:00] <dangranos> i rooted it

L1566[18:58:55] <Wobbo> dangranos: you rooted what?

L1567[18:59:02] <samis> android phone/tablet

L1568[18:59:05] <dangranos> phone

L1569[18:59:06] <samis> rooting = win

L1570[18:59:09] <Wobbo> Ah

L1571[18:59:28] <Wobbo> samis: rooting = sudo if I'm not mistaken

L1572[18:59:33] <dangranos> yep

L1573[18:59:46] <samis> no

L1574[18:59:50] <samis> android doesn't into sudo

L1575[18:59:53] <samis> android does into su

L1576[18:59:55] <dangranos> its into so

L1577[19:00:03] <dangranos> aww, too slow

L1578[19:00:19] <samis> and you typo'd

L1579[19:00:30] <dangranos> >_<

L1580[19:00:31] <Wobbo> You can probably install sudo :P

L1581[19:00:38] <dangranos> *compile

L1582[19:00:41] <Techokami> I should root my phone to install updates my carrier isn't allowing, but... effort. :P

L1583[19:00:55] <samis> Wobbo, doubt it

L1584[19:01:19] <Wobbo> Its just a posix system right?

L1585[19:01:24] <dangranos> hmm, is it possible to install pacman?

L1586[19:01:36] <samis> dangranos, no, but you can have an arch chroot

L1587[19:01:49] <istasi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43xETrTronU \o/ ... starting to look "abit" like something

L1589[19:01:59] <dangranos> 512 mb, i dont think it will handle

L1590[19:02:09] <samis> dangranos, RAM or storage?

L1591[19:02:16] <dangranos> ram

L1592[19:02:24] <samis> you could likely handle

L1593[19:02:32] <samis> maybe not run X, but handle

L1594[19:02:35] <dangranos> oh, its arch

L1595[19:02:43] <robhol> -1, wut :p

L1596[19:02:56] <dangranos> because there is none

L1597[19:03:40] <dangranos> this "bar" is laggy

L1598[19:04:38] <istasi> it doesn't clean up where its been, but does a complete redraw on drop, so it looks like messy

L1599[19:04:38] <samis> what bar?

L1600[19:05:04] <istasi> and drawing on 2 monitors with 1 gpu is laggy

L1601[19:05:18] <dangranos> this orange line, i dont know how its named properly

L1602[19:06:14] <samis> screenshot?

L1603[19:06:23] <dangranos> on video

L1604[19:07:07] <Techokami> wait so you're using two graphics cards to speed up drawing? :O

L1605[19:07:18] <istasi> 1 gpu per screen

L1606[19:07:35] <istasi> versus 1 gpu doing 'bind' to draw on each screen

L1607[19:08:11] <istasi> bind is a 1tick operation so sloowness

L1608[19:08:18] <dangranos> which draw on one screen, switch, drwa same thing on another?

L1609[19:09:14] <istasi> like, draw a line, bind other monitor, draw line, wait ... oh he moved again, bind 1st monitor, draw line, bind 2nd monitor draw line

L1610[19:09:34] <dangranos> i have mplayer on phone :\

L1611[19:09:46] <dangranos> console mplayer

L1612[19:11:36] <istasi> bbl

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L1614[19:13:54] <asie> hello

L1615[19:14:02] <dangranos> hi

L1616[19:14:10] <asie> Sangar: any news on improved drawing capabilities?

L1617[19:15:36] <dangranos> hmm

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L1622[19:17:49] <asie> back

L1623[19:18:22] <dangranos> :\

L1624[19:18:33] <dangranos> i have 666 bogomips on my phone

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L1629[19:29:19] <asie> >go on a Polish Minecraft forum

L1630[19:29:29] <asie> >everyone complains you're discussing Minecraft on the shoutbox and not GMod or World of Tanks

L1631[19:29:32] <asie> YES

L1632[19:29:34] <asie> 2/10

L1633[19:29:39] <Stary2001> hahaha

L1634[19:30:24] <dangranos> this tanks is everywhere

L1635[19:32:26] <gamax92> asie: how many bogomips does you git

L1636[19:32:29] <gamax92> get*

L1637[19:32:46] <asie> gamax92: my phone?

L1638[19:32:51] <gamax92> doesn't matter

L1639[19:33:31] <asie> gamax92: my ThinkPad?

L1640[19:33:34] <asie> only 4790

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L1648[20:13:14] <michthom> I'm feeling stupider than usual. Is it possible to get a robot program to term.write() to the console?

L1649[20:14:20] <michthom> My code doesn't throw errors but doesn't clear / write to the console despite term=require("term")

L1650[20:23:23] <michthom> <facepalm> I was assuming I can use an external editor. No, I. Cannot.

L1651[20:23:44] <asie> back

L1652[20:24:01] <asie> michthom: you sure can, with an internet card

L1653[20:24:08] <asie> and wget

L1654[20:25:03] <EnderCat> or by disabling BufferedFilesystems

L1655[20:25:29] <michthom> Oh? I'll look into that. I was hoping I could edit the files in my saves folder and have them update in game, but we all know what assumption makes...

L1656[20:26:08] <michthom> Ah! Thanks EnderCat that seems more like the bonehead approach I'd blindly stumbled towards

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L1658[20:31:27] <robhol> EnderCat: any.. negative side effects to that approach?

L1659[20:31:49] <EnderCat> robhol, more disk writes

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L1661[20:32:09] <robhol> that figures :p

L1662[20:32:20] <EnderCat> since it writes whenever the OC pc writes, compared to on world saves

L1663[20:32:54] <michthom> bufferChanges=false in the OpenComputers.cfg file. Simples. Thanks EnderCat

L1664[20:33:06] <EnderCat> np

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L1670[21:04:22] <TabletCube> CC has routing ._.

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L1680[21:37:56] <EnderCat> TabletCube, how so?

L1681[21:39:57] <TabletCube> http://computercraft.info/wiki/Rednet_(API)

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L1683[21:41:40] <TabletCube> EnderCat: ^

L1684[21:41:57] <EnderCat> OC can have that as well and there are a few DNS program things for OC about, it's not in the base mod because OpenComputers is designed to be modular, if it was in the main mod then it wouldnt be editable/modifyable which doesnt fit with the rest of the mod

L1685[21:42:47] <EnderCat> TabletCube, i can see the messages, no need to ping me

L1686[21:43:24] <TabletCube> Ah

L1687[21:43:47] <EnderCat> right, i'm off to bed

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L1691[21:57:16] <Sangar> back o/

L1692[21:58:05] <Wobbo> wb

L1693[21:59:10] <Sangar> thanks. now then, time to try and figure out why ati is crashing again -.-

L1694[21:59:24] <Wobbo> Because it hates you

L1695[21:59:32] <Sangar> that seems likely, yes

L1696[21:59:39] <Caitlyn> again? <_>

L1697[21:59:41] * Caitlyn stabs ATi

L1698[21:59:45] <ds84182> I keep forgetting in scala that HashMap.apply != HashMap.get

L1699[22:00:01] <ds84182> so now lots of code likes to error Q_Q

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L1702[22:01:16] <Wobbo> T_T: what is the difference?

L1703[22:01:39] <T_T> Wobbo, one errors instead of returning None

L1704[22:02:05] <Wobbo> Ah

L1705[22:02:12] <T_T> well, HashMap.apply

L1706[22:02:18] <Wobbo> So you test for None everywhere? :P

L1707[22:02:40] <T_T> s/None/null

L1708[22:02:40] <Kibibyte> <Wobbo> So you test for null everywhere? :P

L1709[22:03:02] <T_T> and yeah, but every time I try to test it throws an exception

L1710[22:03:04] <Wobbo> You said None yourself!

L1711[22:03:52] <T_T> yeah

L1712[22:03:58] <T_T> I ment to say null

L1713[22:04:00] <Wobbo> You need to ESC :s/apply/map/g That should be the correct vim command

L1714[22:04:52] <T_T> Wobbo, it's not that easy since in scala .apply() also maps to ()

L1715[22:05:04] <T_T> so you can use map.apply(v) and map(v)

L1716[22:05:21] <Wobbo> Then I can't help you

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L1718[22:10:31] <Techokami> hey gamax92, what's the best WAV settings for LionRay? 8-bit unsigned?

L1719[22:10:59] <gamax92> Techokami: it doesn't matter what format of the wav you give it

L1720[22:11:08] <Techokami> oh okay

L1721[22:11:16] <gamax92> you'd only convert it to that if you don't like the way java converts it

L1722[22:11:35] <Techokami> so I can use a signed 16-bit WAV if I wanted?

L1723[22:11:39] <gamax92> yeah

L1724[22:11:44] <Techokami> awesome, thanks :D

L1725[22:12:01] <gamax92> I've been told that ffmpeg produced better resampling results but whateveh

L1726[22:13:14] <Techokami> now I can put this Journey song on a tape on my server :3

L1727[22:13:21] <T_T> oh yay

L1728[22:13:26] <T_T> scala indentation is broken

L1729[22:14:27] <Wobbo> Your editor can't reindent?

L1730[22:18:42] <Techokami> tape is writing :D

L1731[22:20:57] <gamax92> :D

L1732[22:21:18] <gamax92> ofc when i think doing something my self would be slower than using a program ... but ofc no

L1733[22:21:28] <Techokami> YEEESSSSS

L1734[22:21:28] <gamax92> this takes 0.6 seconds compares to 25

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L1736[22:29:40] <gamax92> :D and when i reuse the same process, takes even less time.

L1737[22:30:18] <Techokami> man I wish one of my friends didn't leave the internet :(

L1738[22:30:24] <Techokami> he was a cool musician

L1739[22:30:30] <Techokami> and he loved minecraft

L1740[22:30:39] <Techokami> so he would have been all over this stuff

L1741[22:33:50] <T_T> Wobbo, yes but for some reason it doesnt scala

L1742[22:34:00] <Wobbo> Well that sucks

L1743[22:34:23] <T_T> Anyways, that moment when you mistype a line in your pathfinding loop and the server freezes.

L1744[22:34:56] <Techokami> http://instantrimshot.com/index.php?sound=downer

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L1746[22:39:33] <Techokami> lionray did a damn good job, 1.27MB for a 5 and a half minute song :)

L1747[22:44:14] <gamax92> Techokami: its going to do the same thing wabbitoe does since it uses the same conversion class

L1748[22:44:29] <gamax92> although, minus a byte, due to difference in handling of end of file

L1749[22:44:37] <Techokami> heh

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L1755[22:56:23] <SoraFirestorm> I've made some progress on per-coroutine memory

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L1757[22:57:02] <SoraFirestorm> All I've really got left to do is

L1758[22:57:20] <SoraFirestorm> figure out how big a lua function is

L1759[22:57:33] <SoraFirestorm> And figure out how to do recursive stuff for tables and subthreads

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L1761[22:58:22] <ds84182> SoraFirestorm, lua functions are huuuuuuuge

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L1763[23:00:13] <SoraFirestorm> Ragnacat: but how huuuuuuuge?

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L1765[23:00:33] <Ragnacat> check lobject.h

L1766[23:00:41] <SoraFirestorm> K

L1767[23:00:42] <Ragnacat> their size varies by ALOT

L1768[23:00:50] <PotatoTrumpet> o/

L1769[23:05:17] <Wobbo> \o

L1770[23:07:51] <SoraFirestorm> Opinions on state of code? http://pastebin.com/mgJ2z5wT

L1771[23:13:55] <Wobbo> Another post bashing PHP for those interested: http://whydoesitsuck.com/why-does-php-suck/

L1772[23:14:32] <TabletCube> Is that for OC?\

L1773[23:15:11] <SoraFirestorm> TabletCube: talking to me? Yes.

L1774[23:15:16] <TabletCube> I wish there was an OC emu - I know Kilo's working on one

L1775[23:17:17] <TabletCube> then I could work on tablet

L1776[23:18:32] <SoraFirestorm> TabletCube: why do you ask?

L1777[23:18:58] <TabletCube> Just curious

L1778[23:19:21] <SoraFirestorm> I want per-coroutine memory so that OC OSes can manage memory better.

L1779[23:19:27] <SoraFirestorm> So I'm writing it! :D

L1780[23:19:44] <TabletCube> Yay

L1781[23:20:07] <TabletCube> Isn't that also useful for daemons?

L1782[23:20:13] <SoraFirestorm> probably

L1783[23:21:23] <TabletCube> That way a background memory hog wouldn't kill everything

L1784[23:21:25] <SoraFirestorm> Mostly so that OSes can measure and kill processes being memory hugs

L1785[23:21:28] <SoraFirestorm> Exactly

L1786[23:21:34] <SoraFirestorm> hogs*

L1787[23:21:44] <gamax92> :D

L1788[23:21:46] <gamax92> memory hugs!

L1789[23:21:47] <SoraFirestorm> well, I guess those processes could be memory huggers :P

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L1791[23:22:37] <TabletCube> inb4 OS that kills the memory watcher

L1792[23:24:01] <SoraFirestorm> lol

L1793[23:25:17] <TabletCube> OpenOS goes OOM on a 192k stick - a memory killer would brutally murder it

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L1798[23:27:34] <v^> back

L1799[23:27:41] <v^> got to play with raspi today :v

L1800[23:27:54] <TabletCube> what distro?

L1801[23:27:59] * PotatoTrumpet starts the 6 hour process of downloading GTA IV for the fifth time this year

L1802[23:28:06] <v^> rasbian?

L1803[23:28:09] <TabletCube> Ah

L1804[23:28:09] <v^> <_>

L1805[23:28:24] <v^> not enough time to do shit in C and make a module

L1806[23:28:25] <SoraFirestorm> Real men use /arch/ on their pis!

L1807[23:28:27] <PotatoTrumpet> s/<_>/:D

L1808[23:28:27] <Kibibyte> <v^> :D

L1809[23:28:30] <TabletCube> PotatoTrumpet: still infected with drive letter virus :p

L1810[23:28:37] <PotatoTrumpet> Yep

L1811[23:28:43] <PotatoTrumpet> And I love it

L1812[23:28:54] <SoraFirestorm> Drive letters are really weird

L1813[23:29:05] <SoraFirestorm> Unix-style mount points are so much better

L1814[23:29:08] <SoraFirestorm> unixmasterrace

L1815[23:29:10] <TabletCube> ^

L1816[23:29:30] <PotatoTrumpet> A: -floppy B: -No Clue C: HDD D: -Disk

L1817[23:29:32] <TabletCube> technically, POSIX masterrace

L1818[23:29:33] <v^> multiple partitions dont need to be on different fucking drives

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L1820[23:29:45] <PotatoTrumpet> Kilophone!

L1821[23:29:48] <TabletCube> PotatoTrumpet: B is the secondary floppy

L1822[23:29:53] <PotatoTrumpet> Oh

L1823[23:29:57] <PotatoTrumpet> I wouldnt know that

L1824[23:30:04] <PotatoTrumpet> I was born in 99

L1825[23:30:16] <TabletCube> I was born in 98

L1826[23:30:18] <Ragnacat> 8: I dun faking know you ran out of letters wtf

L1827[23:30:22] <v^> i was born in 99

L1828[23:30:26] <Kilophone> protip: dont eat too much snacks with garlic

L1829[23:30:30] <Ragnacat> I was born in 14

L1830[23:30:34] <Ragnacat> *15

L1831[23:30:36] <Ragnacat> 2015

L1832[23:30:37] <SoraFirestorm> 1914?

L1833[23:30:39] <SoraFirestorm> oh

L1834[23:30:40] <SoraFirestorm> well

L1835[23:30:41] <Ragnacat> I have not been born

L1836[23:30:42] <SoraFirestorm> um

L1837[23:30:44] <Ragnacat> I am a fetus

L1838[23:30:45] <SoraFirestorm> congrats?

L1839[23:30:51] <PotatoTrumpet> protip: dont eat a whole watermelon in less than 1 hour

L1840[23:30:52] <v^> Ragnacat, actually no

L1841[23:30:54] <TabletCube> Kilophone: potato is infected still

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L1843[23:31:01] <v^> its not 8 months til new years

L1844[23:31:06] <v^> i dont think

L1845[23:31:09] <PotatoTrumpet> Windows Masterrace

L1846[23:31:09] <Kilophone> my stomach stomach hurts and I feel like im about to vomit

L1847[23:31:11] <Ragnacat> //

L1848[23:31:20] <TabletCube> PotatoTrumpet: no.

L1849[23:31:21] <Kilophone> I was born 96

L1850[23:31:23] <PotatoTrumpet> Kilophone: Are you on your phone in the bathroom

L1851[23:31:26] <TabletCube> Just no.

L1852[23:31:34] <PotatoTrumpet> ?

L1853[23:31:35] <v^> 7x masterrace

L1854[23:31:36] <Kilophone> not bathroom atm

L1855[23:31:43] <Ragnacat> v^, 6 months til newyears

L1856[23:31:46] <Ragnacat> jeez

L1857[23:31:51] <PotatoTrumpet> .sdate

L1858[23:31:51] <^v> PotatoTrumpet, Sep 7639, 1993

L1859[23:31:54] <PotatoTrumpet> :D

L1860[23:31:55] <TabletCube> POSIX masterrace

L1861[23:31:57] <PotatoTrumpet> I love sdate

L1862[23:32:03] <PotatoTrumpet> its in the month I was born in

L1863[23:32:06] <Ragnacat> did you think Febnember and Aptober were real months

L1864[23:32:08] <v^> Ragnacat, fak

L1865[23:32:09] <Kilophone> posix ftw

L1866[23:32:11] <SoraFirestorm> POSIX!!!!

L1867[23:32:13] <SoraFirestorm> YEAAAAA

L1868[23:32:23] <v^> .> posix.fork

L1869[23:32:23] <^v> v^, function: 0x40407240

L1870[23:32:26] <v^> masterrace

L1871[23:32:26] <v^> bro

L1872[23:32:28] <Kilophone> sdate?

L1873[23:32:33] <v^> .> posix.sdate

L1874[23:32:34] <^v> v^, nil

L1875[23:32:36] <v^> no fuk u

L1876[23:33:06] <SoraFirestorm> .> coroutine.create

L1877[23:33:07] <^v> Nope.

L1878[23:33:16] <SoraFirestorm> y u no work :(

L1879[23:33:23] <Kilophone> permissions

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L1882[23:33:33] <SoraFirestorm> I'm not cool enough for you? D:

L1883[23:33:42] <v^> who needs coroutines when you have posix.fork

L1884[23:33:47] <v^> ( Ragnacat lol)

L1885[23:34:04] <PotatoTrumpet> WooHoo

L1886[23:34:04] <Ragnacat> lel

L1887[23:34:14] <PotatoTrumpet> I am getting a milkshake from Braums

L1888[23:34:24] <SoraFirestorm> coroutines are simpler

L1889[23:34:30] <SoraFirestorm> And available everywhere

L1890[23:34:34] <TabletCube> did you know some windows can into POSIX?

L1891[23:34:43] <v^> SoraFirestorm, my penis doesnt have coroutines

L1892[23:34:46] <Kilophone> no. .> is unsandboxed

L1893[23:34:49] <Ragnacat> ...

L1894[23:34:51] <v^> i dont think it even has ANSI C

L1895[23:34:53] <SoraFirestorm> um

L1896[23:34:57] <SoraFirestorm> um

L1897[23:35:08] <v^> ...

L1898[23:35:11] <v^> typo

L1899[23:35:12] <SoraFirestorm> what did I do to get that response?

L1900[23:35:13] <v^> meant penor

L1901[23:35:13] <Ragnacat> v^, explains why you can't multithread

L1902[23:35:17] <TabletCube> v^: it only has Assembly

L1903[23:35:25] <v^> TabletCube, what type

L1904[23:35:27] <TabletCube> DNA

L1905[23:35:36] <v^> thats not even assembly <_>

L1906[23:35:37] <Ragnacat> But thats what it fires.

L1907[23:35:43] <v^> mRNA is assembly

L1908[23:36:07] <SoraFirestorm> anyways, Windows POSIX support is broken, I'll bet you

L1909[23:36:09] <SoraFirestorm> Microsoft can

L1910[23:36:16] <SoraFirestorm> 't do specs to save their life

L1911[23:36:28] <v^> windows doesnt even posix anyway >_>

L1912[23:36:47] <v^> there are partail implementations though

L1913[23:36:52] <Kilophone> pre xp did iirc

L1914[23:36:53] <TabletCube> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Services_for_UNIX

L1915[23:36:58] <v^> no proper piping :<

L1916[23:37:10] <SoraFirestorm> again, unixmasterrace anyone? :P

L1917[23:37:54] <TabletCube> sadly my desktop runs Vista

L1918[23:38:07] <SoraFirestorm> I'm so sorry

L1919[23:39:11] <TabletCube> I did install cygwin and msys though

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L1921[23:39:34] <SoraFirestorm> I can't stand not having coreutils in windows

L1922[23:39:48] <SoraFirestorm> I will constantly 'ls' and be surprised it doesn't work

L1923[23:39:59] <TabletCube> My 'ls' works

L1924[23:40:14] <SoraFirestorm> TabletCube: that's with coreutils though

L1925[23:40:54] <Dashkal> I tend to just use my git bash for command prompt stuff in windows

L1926[23:41:06] <TabletCube> I use cmd

L1927[23:41:22] <SoraFirestorm> Progress is good : http://pastebin.com/ukSJmMgE

L1928[23:41:29] <TabletCube> because that's faster for me to get to

L1929[23:41:48] <Dashkal> If in windows, my hand defaults to the mouse, so it's right-click, git bash here.

L1930[23:42:25] <SoraFirestorm> I need a good way to iterate over tables from C...

L1931[23:42:28] <TabletCube> for a while I had no admin rights.

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L1933[23:42:45] <TabletCube> I learned that .

L1934[23:43:00] <TabletCube> installers are fancy archives

L1935[23:43:11] <SoraFirestorm> pretty much

L1936[23:43:22] * TabletCube hugs uniextract

L1937[23:43:26] <SoraFirestorm> yum install package-name-here

L1938[23:43:29] <SoraFirestorm> redhatmasterrace

L1939[23:43:43] <TabletCube> ew redhat'

L1940[23:43:47] <Kilophone> pacman -S package

L1941[23:43:59] <SoraFirestorm> emerge package

L1942[23:44:04] <TabletCube> apt-get install package

L1943[23:44:11] <Kilophone> ew

L1944[23:44:35] <TabletCube> ./configure && make && make install

L1945[23:44:44] <v^> lolno

L1946[23:44:54] <SoraFirestorm> TabletCube: that's essentially what portage does

L1947[23:44:59] <SoraFirestorm> ergo emerge :P

L1948[23:45:20] <TabletCube> SoraFirestorm: except portage resolves deps

L1949[23:45:38] <SoraFirestorm> But it still does configure, make, and make install

L1950[23:45:50] <TabletCube> Yes

L1951[23:46:42] <Kilophone> heh AUR is neat for compiling stuff yourself

L1952[23:46:46] <SoraFirestorm> anyways, per-coroutine memory reports! Exciting!

L1953[23:46:54] <SoraFirestorm> http://pastebin.com/ukSJmMgE

L1954[23:47:48] <SoraFirestorm> not entirely accurate... yet.

L1955[23:47:50] <Kilophone> at this point I hope im vomiting soon... once this stuff is out of my body i'll be better

L1956[23:47:56] <TabletCube> so does this mean all coroutines have their own addr space?

L1957[23:48:05] <SoraFirestorm> uh... no?

L1958[23:48:12] <Kilophone> they have own stack

L1959[23:48:15] <TabletCube> I see.

L1960[23:48:31] <SoraFirestorm> Yeah, I'm just adding the size of the lua_State (coroutine)

L1961[23:48:37] <SoraFirestorm> And the sizes of the contents of the stack

L1962[23:48:42] <SoraFirestorm> Mostly

L1963[23:48:52] <SoraFirestorm> I still have to do tables and sub-coroutines

L1964[23:48:58] <v^> messing with C i see

L1965[23:48:59] <v^> :>

L1966[23:49:03] <SoraFirestorm> v^: yup

L1967[23:49:11] <v^> SoraFirestorm, the example for Lua_next

L1968[23:49:17] <TabletCube> so new coroutines don't get a fresh block of RAM

L1969[23:49:21] <v^> it iterates through the table

L1970[23:49:51] <v^> TabletCube, ._.

L1971[23:49:55] <SoraFirestorm> I see. Thanks.

L1972[23:49:55] <v^> "fresh block of RAM"

L1973[23:50:11] <TabletCube> Brainfart

L1974[23:50:16] <v^> its a mallocd object like any other

L1975[23:50:59] <SoraFirestorm> indeed

L1976[23:51:03] <SoraFirestorm> brb

L1977[23:51:27] <Kilophone> I still feel crappy

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L1980[23:58:44] <TabletCube> I wonder how much you could fit into a 192k RAM stick

L1981[23:58:48] <SoraFirestorm> Let this be known

L1982[23:59:03] <SoraFirestorm> Lua writers? /Why/ did you use spaces for indentation?!?!!?

L1983[23:59:33] <TabletCube> SoraFirestorm: ?

L1984[23:59:38] <v^> just replace them

L1985[23:59:41] <v^> jeez ._.

L1986[23:59:45] <SoraFirestorm> lua source code is two spaces per indent

L1987[23:59:56] <SoraFirestorm> v^: but I have to maintain consistancy with existing code :(