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L13[02:00:06] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV]
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L16[02:01:20] <ForgeDiscord>
<Abastro> 1.13 snapshot
L17[02:02:42] <xaero> there was once a time
when killjoy said "who cares about snapshots seriously?"
now that day has come :P
L18[02:04:08] <kashike> heh
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L77[07:34:13] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> That was when there was so little work being done
for them. The number of mappings being done decreases over
time
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L79[07:34:55] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> I wonder if the shoulder entity on the player has
changed much
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L84[09:12:22] <Fudguna> !up Vec3i
L85[09:14:17] <ForgeDiscord> <Fudge>
? I don't think the result is accurate
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L88[10:19:42] <ghz|afk> !gm
LanguageManager.currentLanguage 1.12
L89[10:19:50] <ghz|afk> !gm
LanguageManager.currentLanguage
L90[10:19:54] <ghz|afk> oops
L91[10:19:57] <ghz|afk> !gf
LanguageManager.currentLanguage 1.12
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L109[14:04:25] <beesnees2> I'm a bit late
to ask this question
L110[14:04:42] <beesnees2> but can someone
tl;dr why reika hates getting rid of item ids
L111[14:04:55] <beesnees2> and all the
other stuff he hates about post 1.6.4 minecraft
L112[14:05:50] <beesnees2> to me it's just
a block game
L113[14:06:07] <beesnees2> to reika it
seems the internals to a block game angers him, lol
L114[14:09:40] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> we don't talk about reika here. Too much
drama.
L115[14:10:13] <beesnees2> from a purely
technical standpoint though
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L117[14:10:18] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
L118[14:10:51] <ghz|afk> so not talking
about reika since I know nothing about them: anyone who cares about
IDs, probably has existing code written to work with numbers
L119[14:11:07] <ghz|afk> and they don't
want to spend the effort to update their bad code
L120[14:11:47] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> if it takes you an hour to write something, it will
take you 2 hours to rewrite
L121[14:13:03] <ghz|afk> still, it's silly
to think that writing the code once, makes you entitled to continue
earning from it "forever"
L122[14:13:28] <ghz|afk> if you make a
product that people want, you commit to updating or even rewriting,
so that it can work on the latest platforms
L123[14:13:48] <beesnees2> I hope more
forge mods end up being open source
L124[14:13:53] <beesnees2> to balance out
microsoftland
L125[14:13:54] <ghz|afk> me too
L126[14:14:03] <beesnees2> where you'll be
able to download modpacks for $60
L127[14:14:11] <ghz|afk> but just because
opensource mods are better for the community
L128[14:14:17] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> You're confusing it with China
L129[14:14:34] <ghz|afk> also in the
bedrock game
L130[14:14:47] <ghz|afk> its' the authors
of saves/maps/resourcepacks, that set the price
L131[14:14:57] <ghz|afk> microsoft just
allowed them to do that
L132[14:15:03] <ghz|afk> and I'm perfectly
fine with there being paid things.
L133[14:15:03] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> China has the java version, but it's locked down.
They also have a locked down version of forge.
L134[14:15:20] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> They take popular mods, lock them down more, and
re-release them for their forge
L135[14:15:24] <beesnees2> I'm just not
interested in paying for stuff myself
L136[14:15:29] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> Did I mention they encrypt them?
L137[14:15:34] <ghz|afk> yes that's
perfectly fine
L138[14:15:35] <beesnees2> other than
donations
L139[14:15:58] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> Most licenses allow it
L140[14:16:08] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> except GPL
L141[14:16:24] <beesnees2> also, it would
be nicer to just cut out the middleman
L142[14:16:26] <ghz|afk> my mods are
either MIT or BSD, so they can even bundle them with non-opensource
code
L143[14:16:27] <ghz|afk> :P
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L145[14:16:51] <ghz|afk> the middle man is
providing datacenters
L146[14:16:53] <beesnees2> microsoft, a
malware company, profits off of minecraft map makers
L147[14:17:22] <ghz|afk> Curse wouldn't
exist if they couldn't make money from running the site
L148[14:17:35] <ghz|afk> youtube wouldn't
exist if they didn't make money from the videos, etc
L149[14:17:47] <beesnees2> curse doesn't
need to exist though
L150[14:17:54] <ghz|afk> yes it does
L151[14:17:55] <beesnees2> before curse
people distributed mods just fine
L152[14:17:57] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> >.>
L153[14:18:06] <ghz|afk> before curse,
there was the forums
L154[14:18:11] <ghz|afk> which also need
money to be run
L155[14:18:14] <Lord_Ralex> forums suck
for sharing mods
L156[14:18:20] <beesnees2> distributed
filesharing software would cut hosting cost way down too
L157[14:18:23] <beesnees2> well yeah
L158[14:18:39] <beesnees2> a central
repository that only contains hashes and third party
locations
L159[14:18:42] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> shudders at the thought of going back to using
MCF... or going back to MCF at all
L160[14:18:45] <beesnees2> would be way
cheaper to run than curse
L161[14:19:06] <ghz|afk> oh so you would
want us modders to pay for our own hosting instead, but keep the
mods free?
L162[14:19:14] <Lord_Ralex> a) that's a
huge what-if
L163[14:19:19] <Lord_Ralex> b) yeah...
it's not cheaper in the end
L164[14:19:28] <beesnees2> no
L165[14:19:29] <Lord_Ralex> the cost is
just as bad, if not worse in other ways
L166[14:19:33] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> bees are use suggesting some sort of central
maven repository?
L167[14:19:33] <beesnees2> I have no
problem with curse existing or making money
L168[14:19:55] <ghz|afk> well then content
distribution sites are important, both for hosting, and for
discoverability
L169[14:19:59] <Lord_Ralex> illy: what's
wrong with mcf :(
L170[14:20:00] <beesnees2> I just have no
interest in disabling ublock on curse's website
L171[14:20:12] <Lord_Ralex> then don't go
to the site
L172[14:20:13] <Lord_Ralex> problem
solved
L173[14:20:14] <beesnees2> hosting is
pretty close to free
L174[14:20:18] <beesnees2> for small
files
L175[14:20:19] <ghz|afk> well then pay for
the premium ;P
L176[14:20:36] <ghz|afk> yeah.....
individually
L177[14:20:39] <beesnees2> that's why
sites like github are free
L178[14:20:41] <ghz|afk> but count
millions of downloads
L179[14:20:43] <ghz|afk> and it adds
up
L180[14:20:46] <beesnees2> small amount of
files, not a lot of load
L181[14:20:50] <ghz|afk> github isn't
"free"
L182[14:20:55] <ghz|afk> it's free for
you, yes
L183[14:21:00] <beesnees2> well yeah no
shit
L184[14:21:03] <ghz|afk> but they survive
off the enterprise licenses
L185[14:21:16] <Lord_Ralex> and github
only works if you really make your stuff at lesat source
visible
L186[14:21:24] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> not free for me I pay for my private repos
:P
L187[14:21:25] <Lord_Ralex> if it isn't,
using github really isn't what it is there for
L188[14:21:30] <beesnees2> enterpise
features would just be a higher work load
L189[14:21:37] <beesnees2> that ends up
costing more
L190[14:21:42] <beesnees2> enough that
github won't give it away for free
L191[14:21:42] <ghz|afk> are they really,
though?
L192[14:21:53] <ghz|afk> compared to the
big opensource repositories?
L193[14:22:05] <ghz|afk> a private
enterprise repository probably only has a small-medium development
team working on it
L194[14:22:14] <ForgeDiscord>
<Chocohead> Open source repos don't demand support
L195[14:22:18] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> granted I mostly release stuff as open source
because it's a great way to be lazy with archiving your code
:P
L196[14:22:27] <ghz|afk> enterprise pays
for the privilege to have their own github running on-site
L197[14:22:38] <ghz|afk> so that even data
leaks won't affect their IP
L198[14:22:45] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> Hm... do some people not realize that curse owns
minecraftforums?
L199[14:22:46] <beesnees2> ghz|afk: then
I'm talking about the lower tier paid plans
L200[14:22:49] <beesnees2> that are hosted
on github
L201[14:22:56] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> posting mods to curse gives you premium
L202[14:22:57] <beesnees2> and
frankly
L203[14:22:59] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> heh they own alot more than MCF :P
L204[14:23:00] <busti> Curse is a curse
imo
L205[14:23:07] <ghz|afk> yeah I believe
those are a minority
L206[14:23:10] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> KSP is all curse
L207[14:23:12] <ghz|afk> compared with
enterprise licensers
L208[14:23:14] <beesnees2> anyone who
needs to run github-like software
L209[14:23:16] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> KSP addons button leads to curse
L210[14:23:21] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> gitlab
L211[14:23:23] <beesnees2> should be
looking at gitlab community edition nowadays :)
L212[14:23:23] <busti> Wikis shouldn't be
privatized
L213[14:23:30] <beesnees2> if they don't
need any support
L214[14:23:31] <ghz|afk> ah yes, the
opensource trap
L215[14:23:41] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> well github is a proprietary product
L216[14:23:48] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> it is not opensource
L217[14:23:49] <ghz|afk> but anyone who
needs a custom installation needs support
L218[14:23:55] <ghz|afk> either internal,
or external
L219[14:23:55] <beesnees2> gitlab's paid
plans are proprietary
L220[14:23:59] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> heh, we used gitolite at work
L221[14:24:04] <ghz|afk> they either need
to pay for a sysadmin
L222[14:24:19] <ghz|afk> or need to pay
for expert support from gitlab
L223[14:24:33] <busti> Well there also are
a ton of headless git servers. And even more git ui software. Even
web based ones
L224[14:24:48] <ghz|afk> ofc, but the
lower you go
L225[14:24:54] <ghz|afk> the less things
you have
L226[14:25:06] <ghz|afk> which means mor
work setting up integrations and more compatibility issues
L227[14:25:10] <beesnees2> IMO the future
is filesharing software
L228[14:25:15] <ghz|afk> so more man-hours
for your sysadmins
L229[14:25:19] <busti> The one thing
github did very well has always been their UI.
L230[14:25:19] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> gitlab has to make money somehow.
L231[14:25:24] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> the lower you go the more likely you are to use a
mailing list and git patches ;_;
L232[14:25:25] <beesnees2> ipfs is
nice
L233[14:25:26] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> They just so happen to be adopting the redhat
model
L234[14:25:38] <busti> Now it is basically
just a marketing outlet for their premium features
L235[14:25:40] <beesnees2> that is, the
future for any large community projects
L236[14:25:50] <ghz|afk> beesnees2: do you
also think that cryptocurrency is the future? :P
L237[14:26:00] <beesnees2> ghz|afk:
no
L238[14:26:10] <beesnees2> cryptocurrency
will fill a few niches
L239[14:26:11] <ghz|afk> ok good :P
L240[14:26:18] <beesnees2> but won't be
very useful for shipping almonds
L241[14:26:23] <beesnees2> despite the
fact that someone has already done it
L242[14:26:24] <ghz|afk> because
decentralised systems are nice for some things
L243[14:26:27] <ghz|afk> but people are
lazy
L244[14:26:39] <busti> Do we really need a
distributed (in the torrent sense) git
L245[14:26:40] <ghz|afk> we prefer to be
served
L247[14:26:42] <ghz|afk> than to DYI
L248[14:26:47] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> ^
L249[14:26:53] <ghz|afk> git IS
distributed, by nature
L250[14:26:57] <ghz|afk> anyone can do
"git serve"
L251[14:27:00] <ghz|afk> and let others
pull
L252[14:27:06] <busti> Thats what the ()
were for ^^
L253[14:27:33] <ghz|afk> I believe bees
was talking about replacing sites like curseforge
L254[14:27:45] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> ghz, am I hearing a web over git protocol in the
future? :P
L255[14:27:47] <ghz|afk> with like,
modpacks served over torrent
L256[14:28:08] <ghz|afk> so there's no
need for a content distribution center
L257[14:28:18] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> what we need is differential modpack updates
L258[14:28:22] <ghz|afk> p2p is nice, even
microsoft got into it
L259[14:28:30] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> p2p windows updates
L260[14:28:32] <ghz|afk> (windows 10
updates can be p2p'd from other computers in the LAN)
L261[14:28:37] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> yeah... that works reeeeal well
L262[14:28:54] <busti> I meant to write
decentralized, but git already is decentralized too. The problem is
that someone always has to run a server, unless you want to wait
for your collaborators to boot up their pc so that you can pull
their changes...
L263[14:29:06] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> Would be nice if they were to actually team and
have a single computer fetch all the updates.
L264[14:29:14] <ghz|afk> but that's
p2p
L265[14:29:15] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> like a impromptu WSU
L266[14:29:21] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> butsi patches and email man patches and
email
L267[14:29:28] <ghz|afk> when you are
leeching a torrent
L268[14:29:33] <ghz|afk> you are a
peer
L269[14:29:38] <busti> you'd still need an
e-mail server :)
L270[14:29:39] <ghz|afk> which means both
client and server functions
L271[14:29:40] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> but this is about bandwidth
L272[14:29:43] <beesnees2> whatever
happened to putting git on ipfs
L273[14:30:01] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> remember that microsoft developed LFS
L274[14:30:07] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> it was necessary to port windows to git
L275[14:30:53] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> Windows: The largest git repository in the
world.
L276[14:30:55] <beesnees2> I read LFS as
Linux From Scratch
L277[14:30:57] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> No, you can't see
L278[14:31:06] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> it's large file system
L279[14:31:18] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> (GitLFS)
L280[14:31:22] <beesnees2> as if microsoft
had to make a tutorial for themselves to truly understand what's
going on in the gnuverse
L281[14:31:38] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> Microsoft is a large contributor to linux
L282[14:31:46] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> mostly to get it to play nice with Windows
L283[14:31:52] <beesnees2> so they could
finally port the holy Goddamned Idiotic Truckload of shit
(git)
L284[14:31:54] <beesnees2> to
windows
L285[14:32:03] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> microsot didn't do that
L286[14:32:05] <beesnees2> @killjoy eh not
really
L287[14:32:22] <beesnees2> microsoft
doesn't contribute an amazing amount to support desktop linux
L288[14:32:30] <beesnees2> it's mostly
just for better Hyper-V guest support
L289[14:32:32] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> Why would they?
L290[14:32:33] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> nobody cares about desktop linux
L291[14:32:37] <busti> How does Microsoft
always end up driving their software into a wall... Some of their
projects look so good when they are started and then you come back
a year later and it somehow ended up being the biggest
spaghetticode mess of all time.
L292[14:32:41] <beesnees2> or for some
azure shit
L293[14:32:55] <busti> Still, microsofts
UI game is on point.
L294[14:33:05] <beesnees2> VS Code and
.net core are mostly publicity stunts
L295[14:33:08] <beesnees2> in my
view
L296[14:33:15] <ghz|afk> ofc it's all
PR
L297[14:33:26] <ghz|afk> a company doesn't
release things for free
L298[14:33:28] <busti> Well a js based
text-editor is bound to fail from the start imho
L299[14:33:30] <ghz|afk> there is always a
goal
L300[14:33:34] <beesnees2> until microsoft
open sources windows 3.0 and clippy
L301[14:33:40] <ghz|afk> either PR, or
using your data for commercial purposes
L302[14:33:42] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> This is what I hate my the linux community some
times what obligation does M$ have to anyone?
L303[14:33:42] <beesnees2> which make them
exactly $0 per year
L304[14:33:49] <beesnees2> I won't trust
them
L305[14:34:10] <beesnees2> @/dev/illy they
have an obligation to earn my money
L306[14:34:16] <beesnees2> and they're not
going to
L307[14:34:42] <ghz|afk> well you seem
extremely biased against them, so you are probably not their target
audience to begin with
L308[14:34:46] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> ok good for you
L309[14:35:42] <busti> Well, they always
have a foot in the door with Office. Ever tried convincing an
accountant to use LibreOffice?
L310[14:36:11] <beesnees2> yeah
L311[14:36:17] <beesnees2> most people who
would otherwise avoid microsoft software
L312[14:36:19] <beesnees2> are forced
to
L313[14:36:21] <beesnees2> use it
L314[14:36:21] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> I dislike M$ products as well and anything based
off the ntkernel, based but this militant need to shout at M$ is
tireing and annying
L315[14:37:03] <busti> Thats why products
like O365 are so popular, not because users lack better
alternatives, but because they are basically forced to use it,
since it works well with office.
L316[14:37:13] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> well I lied office 2010 was nice
L317[14:37:18] <busti> Everything
atlassian does is way better in my book
L318[14:37:28] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> then the the update attacked
L319[14:37:33] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> :P
L320[14:39:29] <beesnees2> windows 7 will
go EOL in 2020-01-14 and the reactOS project will still be
hopelessly behind at replacing windows XP
L321[14:39:34] <ForgeDiscord>
<Busti> I have to agree with you that the pre-2012 ui was way
better than anything that came afterwards.
L322[14:40:07] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> Office is popular for a reason.
L323[14:40:26] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> it is some quality^* software
L324[14:40:53] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> because it was a great software and excel was no
is magic
L325[14:40:58] <beesnees2> and because
they intentionally sabotaged the efforts of open source efforts to
try to maintain compatibility with it
L326[14:41:00] <busti> It is great when
you ignore the Visual Basic IDE and the localizations of excel
stuff
L327[14:41:07] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> having a multi-billion dollar company backing you
helps
L328[14:41:10] <beesnees2> .docx is an
open standard
L329[14:41:15] <beesnees2> but microsoft
doesn't follow it
L330[14:41:29] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> microsoft even opened up the original .doc
format
L331[14:41:40] <busti> Still, google docs
is slowly chewing their userbase away.
L332[14:41:50] <beesnees2> MS Office just
does whatever it wants with .docx files
L333[14:42:06] <busti> Integrating with
office is actually pretty easy, way better than parsing csv
files.
L334[14:42:07] <beesnees2> while
libreoffice consistently saves them according to spec
L335[14:42:19] <busti> *office ->
excel
L336[14:42:26] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> then use odt >.>
L337[14:43:10] <busti> I sometimes still
wonder what kind of black magic makes excels csv parsing
work.
L338[14:43:44] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> office supports odt
L339[14:44:21] <busti> Only partially
though and some of their proprietary powerpoint stuff is really
useful.
L340[14:45:10] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> star wipe ?
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L344[14:48:29] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> It's also turing complete
L347[14:49:51] <beesnees2> also
L348[14:49:53] <busti> Im sorry ;/
L349[14:49:55] <beesnees2> I've never got
the appeal of excel
L350[14:50:01] <beesnees2> I just want a
good scripting language
L351[14:50:04] <beesnees2> with a
repl
L352[14:50:35] <busti> Well, excel is
really great if you do not want to code an entire UI, just to show
your boss some stats.
L353[14:50:48] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> isn't it excel flight simulator?
L354[14:51:14] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> excel should be getting javascript support
L355[14:51:15] <beesnees2> that's the
thing though, there are already a bunch of really good plotting
libraries out there
L356[14:51:35] <beesnees2> I don't want to
retrofit SQL or lua on top of excel either
L358[14:51:52] <beesnees2> I don't find
the fancy UI nice
L359[14:52:08] <busti> I guess you could
accomplish the same with some python libraries and a bit of elbow
grease, but then you are not the target audience for excel
anyways.
L360[14:52:09] <beesnees2> UIs throw me
off when I'm used to keyboard based software
L361[14:52:58] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> as I said excel is magic
L362[14:53:02] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> learn keyboard shortcuts
L363[14:53:08] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> excel panders to power users
L364[14:53:36] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> My supervisor complained to me because my
spreadsheets were too complex
L365[14:53:46] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> bees somthing tells me you would like
wordgrinder
L366[14:53:47] <beesnees2> excel panders
to power users... while attempting to be useful for people who
touch their mouse to their CRT screen
L367[14:53:47] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> I didn't even use pivot tables
L368[14:54:01] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> it takes skill to do that
L369[14:54:13] <beesnees2> or don't know
that you need to have a computer to run that software you bought at
the store
L370[14:54:24] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> excel has users who were around for the original
release
L371[14:54:30] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> need to keep them happy
L373[14:54:51] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> I read that once
L374[14:54:53] <beesnees2> ^ best pages on
the internet
L375[14:54:57] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> every single page on that site
L376[14:55:29] <busti> Gotta bookmark that
for later.
L377[14:56:00] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> In the future... Excel will be a PWA
L379[14:57:36] <beesnees2> c2.com requires
javascript to load nowadays
L380[14:57:41] <busti> I always loved c2
for being opinionated
L381[14:57:43] <beesnees2> they took a
perfectly good old website
L382[14:57:53] <beesnees2> and ruined it
with excessive javascript
L383[14:58:36] <busti> Well, it is hosted
on github pages nowadays, but that is no reason to use js
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L385[14:59:14] <beesnees2> yeah, there's
so many good static site generators that there's no excuse for
that
L386[14:59:43] <beesnees2> it should at
least be able to load without the fancy sidebar stuff on the
right
L387[14:59:51] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> I host my mod site on github. Had to use javascript
to check for the latest version from github releases
L388[15:00:11] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> Didn't even use jquery
L389[15:00:15] <busti> I always felt like
websites should work on their own and js should only be used to
make the experience better, but I also try to optimize websites for
4k to make them load faster on throttled mobiles.
L390[15:00:18] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> No wait, yes I did
L391[15:01:08] <busti> The internet could
be so much better without all the badly coded js. The best example
being this
https://eu.usatoday.com/
L392[15:01:33] <beesnees2> busti: I'm not
allowed to access that from a US ip
L393[15:01:39] <beesnees2> lemme try
changing my browser locale
L394[15:01:52] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> uh... excuse me?
L395[15:02:04] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> javascript is a necessary evil.
L396[15:02:15] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> CSS can't do everything
L397[15:02:23] <busti> Yea, so usatoday
basically decided to strip out all js stuff from their website to
comply with the new EU law.
L398[15:02:28] <Lord_Ralex> and then you'd
complain the css is ugly as sin
L399[15:02:44] <busti> The pages are now
no more than a couple kilobytes in size and load in a
heartbeat.
L400[15:03:01] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> ? No dropdown menus
L401[15:03:17] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> javascript isn't evil.
L402[15:03:22] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> javascript libraries are evil
L403[15:03:35] <beesnees2> CSS dropdown
menu seems reasonable to me...
L404[15:03:37] <busti> Obviously it does
not work for US based users. I guess they decided that their
European userbase is to small to make an impact ad-revenue
wise.
L405[15:03:51] <beesnees2> if CSS is
disabled it just turns into a bunch of links
L406[15:03:59] <beesnees2> which is
desirable IMO
L407[15:04:03] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> If you care so much about javascript, use
noscript
L408[15:04:11] <busti> CSS is perfectly
fine, as long as your website still has a good structure without
it.
L409[15:04:12] <beesnees2> I use
umatrix
L410[15:04:23] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> Also consider using a CLI browser
L411[15:04:25] <beesnees2> block all js on
all websites I haven't whitelisted
L412[15:04:26] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> such a links
L413[15:04:47] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> javascript isnt evil its "just crappy
enough"
L414[15:05:07] <busti> There are enough
transpilers to make it less of a hassle.
L415[15:07:15] <busti> Also the web is
great for developing UI, especially SVG's
L417[15:10:37] <busti> On a side note? Is
there a convenient way to check out 1.13's code base? I would like
to poke around a bit.
L418[15:11:11] <beesnees2> steal the
source code from under notch's pillow
L419[15:11:36] <busti> I would probably be
fine with obfuscated names. But I never set up a decompiler and I
am not sure how much of a hassle it would be.
L420[15:12:21] <ForgeDiscord>
<JamiesWhiteShirt> there may or may not exist a GitHub
repository hosting 1.13 with bleeding edge mappings
L421[15:12:40] <busti> I don't think notch
has touched the source since the beta days.
L422[15:13:14] <beesnees2> s/under notch's
pillow/inside jeb_'s ponytail/
L423[15:13:25] <busti> XD
L424[15:18:04] <busti> JamiesWhiteShirt: I
am intrigued, but unfortunately I do not know that much about
forges project structure at the moment. I haven't been working a
lot with forge in the recent years.
L425[15:19:51] <beesnees2> busti: just did
some googling
L427[15:20:16] <Lord_Ralex> that will be
dmca'ed real hard
L428[15:20:22] <busti> Thanks a lot. It
seems like I am not very good with the google
L429[15:20:30] <beesnees2> only if
microsoft cares enough to do it
L430[15:20:34] <Lord_Ralex> ah yes, a
china person
L431[15:20:36] <Lord_Ralex> it's not MS
that can do it
L432[15:20:43] <Lord_Ralex> searge has
done it before too
L433[15:21:26] <busti> Well, we were
talking about git being distributed not too long ago, did we?
L434[15:21:52] <beesnees2> distribute
it
L435[15:21:58] <beesnees2> copy that
floppy
L436[15:22:25] <ForgeDiscord>
<JamiesWhiteShirt> I may or may not be talking about a
repository that may or may not be called Snowman
L437[15:22:35] <ForgeDiscord>
<JamiesWhiteShirt> if it did exist, it would be private
L438[15:23:15] <busti> @JamiesWhiteShirt
it should be fine. The linked project is all I asked for.
L439[15:25:00] <busti> I am planning on
hosting a modding hackover at my university this winter and I would
like to stare at the code instead of sleeping at night.
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L448[16:04:39] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> busti, try using kotlin-js
L449[16:25:05] <busti> @killjoy I already
am using scala-js ;)
L450[16:25:11] <busti> It's a blast
L451[16:25:45] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> kotlin-asm-js
L452[16:26:54] <busti> Nowadays kotlin is
a bit too close to java for my taste. I might even switch to
clojurescript some day, but lisps still scare me.
L453[16:27:10] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> nowadays?
L454[16:27:24] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> it's based on the jvm. What do you expect?
L455[16:27:40] <busti> I would have
probably chosen it ~5 years ago when I started learning
scala.
L456[16:28:01] <busti> It has a much more
forgiving learning curve
L457[16:28:09] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> uh...
L458[16:28:12] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> oh
L459[16:31:14] <busti> But I shouldn't
really be allowed to discuss this topic. I never spent much time
with kotlin
L460[16:39:23] <busti> @killjoy I hope I
haven't insulted you somehow..?
L461[16:39:33] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> nah
L462[16:39:43] <ForgeDiscord>
<Busti> phew ?
L463[16:40:07] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> I don't have to use your mods. Or my own for that
matter
L464[16:40:15] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> Heck, I barely even play minecraft
L465[16:40:36] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> But I, as a user, shouldn't have to care about the
implementation
L466[16:41:43] <busti> I never even
released a single mod. I always just coded myself from update to
update.
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L468[16:47:32] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> @killjoy thats a funny joke a moder playing
minecraft
L469[16:56:18] <ghz|afk> I'm a modder....
I'm playing vanilla
L470[16:56:21] <ghz|afk> XD
L471[16:57:57] <ghz|afk> well I guess
RIGHT NOW I'm playing wow
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L473[17:24:52] <ben_mkiv> someone familiar
with gradle and knows how to make a task which syncs a github repo
to my sources before building?
L474[17:24:58] <ben_mkiv> platform
independent
L475[17:26:16] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> gradle task syncGit { doFirst { "git
pull".execute() } } build.dependsOn(syncGit)
L476[17:26:19] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> Something like that.
L477[17:26:38] <ben_mkiv> thanks much
:)
L478[18:18:11] <ghz|afk> hmm if you do
build.dependsOn won't it run at an undetermined point of time in
the dependency chain?
L479[18:18:22] <ghz|afk> or does doFirst
make it run before other things?
L480[18:19:13] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> What's the task order?
L481[18:21:23] <ghz|afk> I would guess you
want it to run before any source* task
L482[18:26:05] <ForgeDiscord>
<srs_bsns> groovy project.gradle.taskGraph.whenReady{
"git status".execute() }
L483[18:27:28] <ForgeDiscord>
<srs_bsns> The problem with this is that you are calling a
porcelain git command, which requires that git is installed on the
host system. You' probably be better off adding a build dependency
for GrGit, or jgit.
L484[18:29:38] <ForgeDiscord>
<srs_bsns> Also, that command is untested, but generally if
you want something to run before any tasks you'd want to do it
directly after the taskgraph has been built
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