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L8[01:46:23] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Pushing snapshot_20170908 mappings to Forge Maven.

L9[01:46:26] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Maven upload successful for mcp_snapshot-20170908-1.12.zip (mappings = "snapshot_20170908" in build.gradle).

L10[01:46:37] <MCPBot_Reborn> Semi-live (every 10 min), Snapshot (daily ~3:00 EST), and Stable (committed) MCPBot mapping exports can be found here: http://export.mcpbot.bspk.rs/

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L14[02:11:40] <SquareWheel> Hey, I see that there's still not a recommended Forge build for 1.12.1 yet. Is there an ideal version to build against, or just "latest" for now?

L15[02:12:19] <PaleoCrafter> always latest

L16[02:13:38] <SquareWheel> Oh, even if there's a recommended build out?

L17[02:14:19] <Ordinastie> recommended usually are for users, not devs

L18[02:14:27] <PaleoCrafter> Yep, "recommended" basically means "You better not be using anything older than this"

L19[02:15:11] <SquareWheel> If using a newer version, will that prohibit users on an older version? Or is that only the case if I hardcode in a Forge requirement, for new APIs or such.

L20[02:16:42] <PaleoCrafter> unless you declare an explicit dependency on that Forge version and don't rely on new features, users should be able to run with older Forges just fine

L21[02:17:13] <SquareWheel> Okay, that's good to know. Much thanks

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L25[02:46:46] <gigaherz|work> interesting: https://mreinhold.org/blog/forward-faster

L26[02:47:41] <PaleoCrafter> Valhalla by the end of next year? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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L52[06:04:06] <busti> Are we allowed to use Capability as a storage class?

L53[06:04:14] <gigaherz|work> what?

L54[06:04:30] <busti> Yeah thats about the reaction I anticipated.

L55[06:05:09] <busti> Wait no nevermind, I followed the wrong thought.

L56[06:05:34] <busti> Just pretend I never asked that question :3

L57[06:06:38] <Abastro> When is it safe to inject registry object to another registry object?

L58[06:10:45] <Abastro> Or, how does the registry sync works?

L59[06:20:15] <Abastro> Hello?

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L61[06:24:30] <Abastro> Anyone..?

L62[06:25:05] <PaleoCrafter> u wot

L63[06:25:21] <gigaherz|work> that makes no sense

L64[06:25:42] <gigaherz|work> and regsitry sync just means internal ID map <-> regsitry name string

L65[06:25:49] <gigaherz|work> it doesn't sync the objects themselves at all

L66[06:28:03] <Abastro> I saw overwriting every elements is done somewhere, that was what I mean.

L67[06:29:25] <Abastro> I wanted to know when to set field F in a registry object X, with another registry object Y

L68[06:30:09] <PaleoCrafter> still, wat

L69[06:30:27] <PaleoCrafter> explain what you want to do on a high level, not how you want to go about it

L70[06:31:01] <Abastro> Register typr with its parent specified.

L71[06:31:15] <Abastro> *type

L72[06:31:21] <gigaherz|work> I have a feeling you are misunderstanding what the registry is

L73[06:31:43] <Abastro> Then.. What is a forge registry?

L74[06:32:01] <gigaherz|work> it's a lookup table (map/bimap)

L75[06:32:11] <gigaherz|work> that links registry names, to "things"

L76[06:32:14] <Abastro> Yeah, exactly what I want

L77[06:32:24] <gigaherz|work> and optionally, assigns an internal numeric id to the registry names

L78[06:32:30] <gigaherz|work> that's ALL it does

L79[06:32:45] <gigaherz|work> if the thing has a parent, that's completely meaningless to the registry

L80[06:32:59] <gigaherz|work> it won't sync the contents of the "thing", or anything like that, at all

L81[06:33:12] <Abastro> I know that it won't sync

L82[06:33:27] <Abastro> My concern is overwriting of registry

L83[06:33:38] <gigaherz|work> you have to overwrite on both server and clients

L84[06:33:42] <gigaherz|work> with the same data

L85[06:33:52] <gigaherz|work> or not, depending on what you overwrite

L86[06:33:54] <gigaherz|work> but as PaleoCrafter said

L87[06:34:00] <gigaherz|work> WHAT are you overwriting, and with which purpose?

L88[06:34:01] <Abastro> Which seems to be done on initial sync between server and client

L89[06:34:13] <Abastro> I'm not the one overwriting it.

L90[06:34:39] <Abastro> Forge does that.

L91[06:34:46] <gigaherz|work> wat?

L92[06:35:12] <Abastro> The fml.. registry has set method with other registry

L93[06:35:28] <Abastro> Which seems to be done on initial sync between server and client.

L94[06:37:11] <gigaherz|work> all it changes is the mapping from registry name to internal id

L95[06:37:17] <gigaherz|work> it won't overwrite your objects

L96[06:37:21] <Abastro> Oh, thanks

L97[06:37:28] <gigaherz|work> (so far as I know)

L98[06:38:11] <Abastro> Probably I should check it again.. maybe it could be routine of overriding vanilla

L99[06:38:25] <PaleoCrafter> well, it will also remove stuff from the client registry (temporarily) when not existing on the server

L100[06:39:24] <Abastro> Only remove? Then I guess doing what I want in init phade is fine.

L101[06:39:30] <Abastro> *phase

L102[06:40:21] <PaleoCrafter> well, swapping them also is an option, when an override owner isn't present on the server.

L103[06:40:37] <PaleoCrafter> but it won't ever *add* stuff to the registry, for the reason giga already explained

L104[06:42:09] <Abastro> Thanks.

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L106[06:46:42] <busti> There is a thing about the state of power in minecraft modding that bothers me. I know, before the Redstone Flux primer it was all over the place and now we at least got a standard, but the current implementation is far from perfect.

L107[06:46:43] <busti> As far as I know energy is handled similar to a liquid. As in someone comes along and gives IEnergyStorage some energy.

L108[06:46:45] <busti> Most mods store energy as if it were a fluid, only that the tanks are called Batterys and the pipes are opaque and transport energy instead.

L109[06:46:47] <busti> Shouldn't it be the other way round? Shouldn't energy recievers "ask" for a certain amount of energy and shouldn't the energy system then come along and distribute the available amount of energy equally throughout the consumers, depending on their consumption?

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L111[06:48:42] <busti> Everyone who played factorio before should know what I am talking about.

L112[06:50:13] <PaleoCrafter> busti, that's simply a difference in philosophy. The way RF (and hence Forge Energy) works is that it's a push-based system. IC2 (methinks) and some other mods do in fact implement a pull-based system. I've never implemented or worked with a pulling system, but I imagine that it's a bit more of a burden to work with on the user side.

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L114[06:51:38] <busti> Probably, especially implementing the distribution mechanism should be a lot harder. It just bothers me that every consumer has to have their own storage.

L115[06:52:37] <PaleoCrafter> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

L116[06:53:02] <busti> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ indeed, it just feels a little bit wrong imho.

L117[06:55:19] <PaleoCrafter> There probably is still some pulling API somewhere that's actively maintained. If you want to use such a system, go right ahead :P

L118[06:57:51] <busti> Actively maintained is the same thing they said about Chicken Bones Multipart (Forge Multipart) when it came out.

L119[06:58:26] <busti> I am not developing against one of those again without developing my own compatibility layer.

L120[06:58:47] <busti> And that probably won't happen unless I am super into it.

L121[06:59:47] <Abastro> There could be Pull+Push hybrid

L122[07:00:05] <PaleoCrafter> Forge might be getting multipart relatively soon (maybe even 1.13) :P

L123[07:00:16] <PaleoCrafter> right, amadornes? ;P

L124[07:01:16] <busti> PaleoCrafter: That would be great! Then we could stop having a special decoration cover thing implementation for every mod.

L125[07:02:03] <PaleoCrafter> well, given that MCMultipart will more or less be what goes into Forge, we are able to do that already :P

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L127[07:06:13] <busti> It will probably take some time until all the iterations of it are gone. A lot of the major tech mods have their own implementation.

L128[07:07:45] <PaleoCrafter> People will always ship their own shit because they deem it better, are simply too lazy to adopt standards or suffer from NIH syndrome

L129[07:08:24] <busti> But good to know that there is something I can use without fearing that it will be unsupported in the next version.

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L204[09:53:56] <Xilef11> jar file in /libs/: "Only allowed to use maven dependencies for this. If its a jar file, deobfuscate it yourself."

L205[09:54:06] <Xilef11> how exactly am I supposed to do this?

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L207[10:00:10] <ghz|afk> Xilef11: BON2

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L209[10:00:43] <ghz|afk> youcan't use deobfCompile, but you can use the normal compiled, but processing the jar with BON2

L210[10:01:26] <Andrio> ..Didn't realise there's a version of that that still works.

L211[10:02:11] <ghz|afk> it's still maintained, you just get the latest build from http://ci.tterrag.com/job/BON2/

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L213[10:02:35] <ghz|afk> (don't mind the beta# number, there have been multiple builds with the same name)

L214[10:04:21] <Xilef11> any instructions/runtime dependencies? I get "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: joptsimple/OptionException" when trying to run it

L215[10:04:47] <ghz|afk> hmm it's supposed to work just fine by running it

L216[10:05:06] <ghz|afk> you got the "all" jar?

L217[10:05:12] <Xilef11> nope

L218[10:05:15] <Xilef11> the in

L219[10:05:17] <Xilef11> *bin

L220[10:05:29] <ghz|afk> yeah get the all one

L221[10:05:33] <ghz|afk> it has the deps shaded in

L222[10:06:53] <Xilef11> wonderful, thanks!

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L225[10:32:39] <tterrag> and bother me if it breaks :P

L226[10:32:54] <ghz|afk> XD

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L228[10:53:06] <ghz|afk> killjoy: oh hey you are on amazon now: http://www.comingsoon.net/horror/news/886011-the-other-clown-in-town-killjoy-goes-to-hell-hits-amazon

L229[11:03:09] <killjoy> Killjoy has always been an evil clown

L230[11:03:23] <killjoy> There's a movie called Killjoy

L231[11:03:44] <killjoy> (2000)

L232[11:03:56] <killjoy> That's not where I got my name. It's from Halo

L233[11:04:42] <killjoy> Xilef11, you can also use a flatDir repository

L234[11:04:50] <killjoy> or upload it to mavenlocal

L235[11:07:07] <killjoy> ghz|afk, that page changes the title as you scroll down

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L237[11:14:07] <ghz|afk> killjoy: yeah that page loads a new article if you scroll to the bottom

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L245[12:27:53] <busti> What have I done https://puu.sh/xuFOq.png

L246[12:33:39] <ghz|afk> that's called overengineering

L247[12:33:40] <ghz|afk> ;P

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L249[12:33:44] <Raycoms> Hi there

L250[12:34:08] <Raycoms> I have a strange problem, when I throw my entity an object it only picks up the 2nd one (In the livetime of the entity)

L251[12:34:32] <ghz|afk> your code must be wrong then ;P

L252[12:35:52] <Raycoms> Yeah but how does he only eat the first object =/

L253[12:36:01] <Raycoms> He eats the first object and sets it as held item

L254[12:36:27] <ghz|afk> I have no idea, it's your entity

L255[12:36:34] <Raycoms> And in my code it doesn't pass: if (entityItem.cannotPickup())

L256[12:36:41] <ghz|afk> and I haven't really done entities anyhow ;p

L257[12:36:58] <ghz|afk> eh I mean, living entities

L258[12:39:18] <Raycoms> Kk, thanks

L259[12:40:19] <ben_mkiv> maybe try without the code which puts it in his hand

L260[12:40:26] <ben_mkiv> sounds like it gets lost somewhere within that

L261[12:49:22] <Raycoms> Hmm, found it =P

L262[12:52:19] <Raycoms> It was calling it twice for the first item

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L267[13:31:32] <Raycoms> Searching also more modders for a big minecraft project (Minecolonies) we can make use of almost anything, blocks, items, entities, AIs, GUIs =D

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L272[13:55:45] <killjoy> Raycoms, will you be paying us?

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L275[14:01:41] <Raycoms> Always depends, if you contribute a lot you get a share of patreon =P

L276[14:03:09] <ghz|afk> % of the lines of code written? ;P

L277[14:03:51] <TechnicianLP> rewrite all the things ...

L278[14:04:05] * killjoy changes tabs to spaces and vice versa

L279[14:04:13] <killjoy> Very important

L280[14:04:41] <Raycoms> Depends on "helpful content added"

L281[14:04:58] <killjoy> I'll have to reimplement all of guava

L282[14:05:29] <TechnicianLP> sou you mean implementing an ingame documentation?

L283[14:07:11] <Raycoms> We actually have an ingame book explaining our mod

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L285[14:12:03] <TechnicianLP> so all the helpfull content is already added :(

L286[14:12:26] <ben_mkiv> nah, still hasnt a fidget spinner crafting citizien

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L289[14:21:43] <TechnicianLP> inb4 someone writes a mod where one can trade fidgedspinner skins ...

L290[14:22:26] <ben_mkiv> https://mods.curse.com/search?search=fidget&submit-search=Submit

L291[14:22:27] <ben_mkiv> 2 mods xD

L292[14:25:47] <Raycoms> Why would I want to have that thing ingame?

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L312[16:37:43] <MalkContent> dumb question, but alwaysSetupTerrainOffThread doesn't do anything on servers, right?

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L314[17:01:10] <LexMobile> PaleOff: ping me whenj you're back

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L330[19:28:11] <Hink> The ASM class tranformer I wrote for a coremod plugin is never accessing the class I want to transform, but other classes are getting passed through the transformer.

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L334[19:50:03] <halvors> How can i manually set an entity's age in 1.10?

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L339[20:13:57] <blood> GameRegistry.addRecipe(new ItemStack(MoCItems.tusksIron, 1), new Object[] {"X ", "XR ", "XXX", Character.valueOf('X'), Items.IRON_INGOT, Character.valueOf('R'), Items.LEAD});

L340[20:14:01] <blood> how is this handled in 1.12.1?

L341[20:14:25] <blood> i dont see what replaced that object array

L342[20:21:32] <blood> hrmm i guess json now

L343[20:27:22] <halvors> How can i get a list of all registered blocks?

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L347[20:45:07] <tterrag> blood: the Object[] was never needed...but now they use Ingredients

L348[20:45:15] <tterrag> it is easier to just use JSON, yes

L349[20:57:46] <blood> ingredients dont seem to take patterns

L350[20:59:52] <blood> err i mean recipe registration methods

L351[21:00:29] <blood> oh addShaped

L352[21:00:32] <blood> didnt see that

L353[21:00:37] <blood> let me try =)

L354[21:02:20] <blood> seems to work, thanks

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L360[21:35:05] <LexMobile> use json

L361[21:36:17] <blood> yea i will soon, just trying to test this as quick as possible

L362[21:36:49] <blood> so the recommended way should have ALL recipes as json right? Shaped/Shapeless

L363[21:37:15] <blood> assets/modid/recipes

L364[21:38:51] <blood> would be nice if the server just told the client what recipes are to allow for custom recipes on server side.

L365[21:40:49] <blood> im liking where things are moving though =) definitely a nice step up from 1.10.2

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L368[21:42:23] <blood> nearly done with mocreatures 1.12.1 update then i finally can test it

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L377[23:23:51] <LexMobile> Yes the recomended is that ALL recipes are in json.

L378[23:24:05] <LexMobile> The idea IS to have the server send all that data S->C so that the server can customize all that shit.

L379[23:24:14] <LexMobile> And the client automatically knows it, BUT that part isnt done yet.

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