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L6[00:04:52] <williewillus> !sf field_179501_f currentTask 0 => harvest, 1 => replant, -1 => none

L7[00:07:38] <blood> McJty: https://github.com/McJty/RFToolsDimensions/blob/d3ec114/src/main/java/mcjty/rftoolsdim/dimensions/RfToolsDimensionManager.java#L376-L383

L8[00:07:50] <blood> ive been told you are reusing ID's for undeleted dimensions?

L9[00:07:59] <McJty> yes

L10[00:08:05] <McJty> what no

L11[00:08:06] <blood> this goes against DimensionManager entirely

L12[00:08:09] <blood> if that is the case

L13[00:08:10] <McJty> For 'deleted' dimensions

L14[00:08:19] <blood> are you deleting the dimension via proper ?

L15[00:08:32] <McJty> Define: 'via proper'?

L16[00:08:40] <blood> standard deletion so Forge knows about it

L17[00:09:18] <McJty> DimensionManager.unregisterDimension(id)

L18[00:09:22] <McJty> That's what I do

L19[00:10:53] <blood> ok so if you call that

L20[00:10:58] <blood> you wiped the world folder entirely?

L21[00:11:27] <McJty> yes it should do that. Unless there is a bug of course

L22[00:11:42] <blood> are you regenerating the world?

L23[00:11:43] <McJty> It is the 'safeDeleteDimension' method in that same file

L24[00:11:44] <blood> or is this a new world

L25[00:11:48] <McJty> what?

L26[00:11:54] <blood> same WorldProvider etc?

L27[00:12:13] <McJty> I use one WorldProvider for all my dimensions. A custom one

L28[00:12:17] <blood> im trying to figure out why you are freeing the dim id

L29[00:12:20] <blood> instead of reusing it

L30[00:12:29] <blood> it doesnt make much sense to me unless you are changing the world type entirely

L31[00:12:36] <blood> is your only reason to refresh the world?

L32[00:13:23] <blood> you shouldnt need to unregister a thing, just unload the world, wipe the data then load it back up

L33[00:13:26] <McJty> Well this happens when people make dimensions and then remove them. So I free those ID's properly so they can be reused later

L34[00:13:35] <blood> there is no need to free the id though

L35[00:13:38] <blood> oh

L36[00:13:41] <McJty> But why wouldn't I?

L37[00:13:42] <blood> so tied to player?

L38[00:13:54] <McJty> Sorry but this is confusing

L39[00:14:01] <McJty> What *exactly* is the problem here?

L40[00:14:26] <McJty> RFTools Dimensions is a mod which is a bit similar to what mystcraft did back in 1.7.10

L41[00:14:35] <McJty> i.e. players create custom dimensions with various features and stuff

L42[00:14:54] <blood> just trying to figure out why the re-use but i see now

L43[00:14:54] <McJty> In contrast with mystcraft they can also remove worlds (at least I don't think mystcraft allowed that)

L44[00:15:09] <blood> it would of made more sense to PR against Forge

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L46[00:15:13] <blood> rather than construct your own DimensionManager

L47[00:15:26] <McJty> PR for what? There is no problem that I know about?

L48[00:15:41] <blood> an event for removal would of been good

L49[00:15:51] <blood> ill just track unregisterDimension

L50[00:16:13] <blood> WorldEvent.Delete would be a good idea for your use-case

L51[00:16:25] <mallrat208> ... huh

L52[00:17:16] <blood> mallrat208: ?

L53[00:18:17] <blood> McJty: for example https://github.com/McJty/RFToolsDimensions/blob/d3ec114/src/main/java/mcjty/rftoolsdim/dimensions/RfToolsDimensionManager.java#L336

L54[00:18:28] <blood> could of just PR'd Forge for that with an added event

L55[00:18:40] <blood> to handle dimension deletions

L56[00:18:50] <McJty> Well I don't see why I need that? It is working fine

L57[00:19:00] <blood> im saying other mods dont know what you are doing if its in your mod

L58[00:19:02] <blood> thats my point

L59[00:19:21] <McJty> Well the dimensions belong to my mod too. And I'm using the proper unregister thing

L60[00:19:21] <mallrat208> Why would other mods care about the RFTools dimensions being reused?

L61[00:19:28] <McJty> So not sure what else there is that I could do

L62[00:19:36] <williewillus> I don't understand what the problem is :P

L63[00:19:39] <blood> mallrat208: SpongeForge is a bridge between Plugins and Mods and tries to make them work in harmony

L64[00:19:50] <blood> it is hard to track what some mods do when they dump all this new logic into their own mods

L65[00:19:54] <mallrat208> .. So why would other mods care if they're reused

L66[00:19:57] <blood> rather than benefit everyone

L67[00:20:01] <blood> because SpongeForge needs to know

L68[00:20:08] <blood> in order to properly handle events

L69[00:20:15] <blood> as wlel as world registry

L70[00:20:45] <McJty> Well if such an event gets added to Forge then I'll support it

L71[00:21:00] <blood> ok i'll PR Forge then to handle this for you

L72[00:21:09] <McJty> Note however, that it has to get into forge for 1.10 too

L73[00:21:10] <blood> a ticket would be nice though

L74[00:21:13] <McJty> As my mods are dual version

L75[00:21:16] <blood> obviously

L76[00:21:20] <blood> it would only make it into latest

L77[00:21:33] <williewillus> if you want the event then you should be the one making the ticket :P

L78[00:21:34] <blood> please create a ticket of DimensionManager improvements you need

L79[00:21:39] <McJty> ...

L80[00:21:41] <blood> ill add it=)

L81[00:21:44] <mallrat208> he doesnt need them

L82[00:21:47] <williewillus> you're the one needing it lol

L83[00:22:13] <blood> other mods benefit

L84[00:22:19] <blood> just because your mod doesnt, doesnt mean it isnt needed

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L86[00:22:32] <McJty> Only spongeforge as far as I can see

L87[00:22:40] <McJty> I cannot imagine any other mod doing anything useful with that info

L88[00:22:52] <blood> ? a World management mod

L89[00:22:59] <blood> has to have that information

L90[00:23:25] <McJty> What would that mod do?

L91[00:23:32] <blood> manage deletions/creations of worlds

L92[00:23:44] <williewillus> the point is that people who don't need it have no obligation to go through the trouble of making tickets :P

L93[00:23:45] <McJty> Well I will *not* allow that

L94[00:23:51] <blood> you dont have to allow it, the mod does

L95[00:23:52] <williewillus> and those that care about it should make the tickets they need

L96[00:23:54] <McJty> RFTools Dimensions cannot be removed by anything except by my mod

L97[00:25:49] <blood> yea ill PR Forge to fix that

L98[00:26:00] <blood> then you can just use Forge's DimensionManager

L99[00:26:17] <McJty> Which I'm already doing so that's fine

L100[00:26:31] <blood> right i mean you can wipe out the logic on your end and just hook into FOrge

L101[00:26:38] <blood> assuming it supports what you need

L102[00:27:06] <McJty> The logic on my end that is still there is needed for my own bookkeeping

L103[00:27:10] <McJty> i.e. dimension power and stuff

L104[00:27:14] <blood> well yea any custom stuff sure

L105[00:27:28] <blood> i mean as far as dimension management itself such as creation/deletions

L106[00:27:51] <McJty> The only thing I need in forge is the unregisterDimensionID() which I already have and am already using

L107[00:27:53] <blood> DimensionManager needs some loving anyway

L108[00:27:53] <McJty> So that's fine

L109[00:30:06] <blood> how big are these dimensions?

L110[00:30:44] <blood> Player X creates an RFTool dimension, is there a limit to size?

L111[00:31:39] <McJty> These dimensions are just regular dimensions. i.e. they grow if you move

L112[00:31:48] <McJty> i.e. chunks get regenerated

L113[00:31:58] <blood> right so they are meant to be a full player world?

L114[00:32:06] <blood> with no limits

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L116[00:32:15] <McJty> yes

L117[00:32:41] <blood> is there a limit on how many dimensions can be created?

L118[00:32:43] <blood> per player?

L119[00:32:52] <McJty> By default not but that can be set in the config

L120[00:33:01] <McJty> Dimensions are 'owned' by a player

L121[00:33:04] <blood> because from a server standpoint

L122[00:33:10] <blood> this doesnt make much sense due to performance

L123[00:33:13] <blood> from a client standpoint, this is fine

L124[00:33:17] <blood> single player

L125[00:33:21] <McJty> Well I don't always agree with that

L126[00:33:26] <McJty> If done properly dimensions can be good for a server

L127[00:33:29] <blood> you would never want players creating/deleting worlds

L128[00:33:31] <McJty> i.e. void worlds are very good for performance

L129[00:33:32] <blood> performance would be destroyed

L130[00:33:43] <McJty> People do it

L131[00:33:51] <McJty> Hermitcraft people have rftools dimensions enabled

L132[00:33:59] <McJty> Forgecraft/SF3 has dimensions enabled

L133[00:34:02] <McJty> And they are used heavily

L134[00:34:07] <McJty> It is really not such a problem as many people think

L135[00:34:20] <blood> right but performance will not be good the more dimensions are created

L136[00:34:23] <blood> and i bet they all set limits

L137[00:34:28] <blood> which is my point

L138[00:34:47] <McJty> Number of dimensions does not decrease performance

L139[00:34:51] <McJty> It does increase diskspace

L140[00:34:54] <blood> from a server standpoint, it makes more sense to let the server have control if these are really going to be full player worlds

L141[00:34:58] <blood> of course it does

L142[00:34:59] <McJty> Numbers of 'used' dimensions of course has an impact

L143[00:35:03] <blood> all it takes is 1 player to go into the dimension

L144[00:35:08] <McJty> But a dimension that is not used is just using diskspace

L145[00:35:09] <blood> completely separate spawn caps

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L147[00:35:17] <kevev> Howdy all :)

L148[00:35:24] <blood> and another world tick for all world logic

L149[00:35:25] <McJty> blood, that's why many servers set rftools dimensions to void only

L150[00:35:30] <McJty> blood, spawn caps don't matter that much then

L151[00:35:37] <blood> but you said they generate chunks etc

L152[00:35:43] <blood> so are these void worlds or not?

L153[00:35:44] <McJty> Void chunks are chunks

L154[00:35:49] <blood> right but if they arent generating chunks

L155[00:35:53] <blood> like blocks

L156[00:35:54] <McJty> On SF3 rftools dimensions are void

L157[00:35:59] <McJty> By default you can get any kind of world

L158[00:36:03] <kevev> Anyone got time to help me minimize player moved too quickly! & Can't keep up! issues?

L159[00:36:05] <blood> still would want limits

L160[00:36:16] <blood> no server is going to have no cap on that and give players full control :P

L161[00:36:20] <McJty> blood, limits are possible. By default the mod has no limits but you can set them

L162[00:36:42] <blood> DimensionTools was another mod that tried to do the same thing

L163[00:36:54] <blood> to fix all the perf issues, he just used 1 world and generated it all inside

L164[00:37:18] <McJty> Well I cannot do that with rftools dimensions

L165[00:37:18] <blood> if RFTools dimensions are void worlds, what do you do in them?

L166[00:37:22] <McJty> build

L167[00:37:28] <McJty> People like to play in void worlds

L168[00:37:33] <McJty> That's why skyblock packs are so succesful

L169[00:37:34] <blood> right but you could do it like 1 world

L170[00:37:35] <blood> set regions

L171[00:37:40] <blood> 1 region per player

L172[00:37:41] <McJty> No

L173[00:37:47] <McJty> Because these worlds can be very different

L174[00:37:50] <McJty> i.e. you can customize them

L175[00:37:59] <McJty> The sky color, day/night speed, biomes, ...

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L177[00:38:14] <McJty> For example, an eternal day dimension is different from a normal void dimension

L178[00:38:15] <McJty> And so on

L179[00:38:17] <blood> biome customization isnt bound by the world, you can have 1 world with a huge variation

L180[00:38:20] <kevev> I have tried the server on a raspberry pi, odroid XU4, Windows 10 i5 12GB RAM.

L181[00:38:22] <blood> sky/day sure

L182[00:38:26] <kevev> java.exe -Xms256M -Xmx768M -XX:+UseConcMarkSweepGC -jar forge-1.10.2-12.18.2.2116-universal.jar nogui

L183[00:38:40] <mallrat208> Im thinking they've never used your mod they're telling you to change

L184[00:38:57] <kevev> Mods: BetterFps-1.3.2.jar JurassiCraft-2.0.4.jar llibrary-1.7.1-1.10.2.jar

L185[00:39:08] <blood> mallrat208: im just talking in terms of performance

L186[00:39:21] <blood> void worlds at start sure

L187[00:39:23] <blood> not much is being done

L188[00:39:26] <blood> but as they build, it will get worse

L189[00:39:34] <blood> especially as the number of dimensions are added

L190[00:39:36] <mallrat208> except that's not all they are

L191[00:39:44] <mallrat208> They -can- be void worlds. they are literally anything

L192[00:39:50] <McJty> blood, in practice it doesn't turn out to be that bad really. RFTools Dimensions has been around for a while

L193[00:39:55] <McJty> It is heavily used. Even on servers

L194[00:40:12] <blood> is there a large server using it with a ton of dimensions and maintaining 20 TPS?

L195[00:40:16] <McJty> With and without (or very little) restrictions

L196[00:40:19] <blood> i would like to see this =)

L197[00:40:32] <McJty> Forgecraft servers have always used them a lot

L198[00:40:48] <McJty> With about 10-20 dimensions usually

L199[00:40:55] <blood> minecraft just isnt built on performance for having too many worlds

L200[00:41:09] <blood> when they have 1 thread per world, that will fix it

L201[00:41:17] <blood> but DinnerBone hasnt delivered on his promise

L202[00:41:25] <blood> probably stuck in the backburner now

L203[00:41:41] <blood> however i guess i can push some improvements that would benefit your mod

L204[00:43:03] <blood> i think the ability to customize mob spawning would help for sure

L205[00:43:07] <blood> unless your mod offers that?

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L207[00:43:42] <kevev> anyone?

L208[00:43:45] <kevev> :D

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L212[00:48:34] <blood> McJty ^

L213[00:48:54] <McJty> sorry, was afk

L214[00:48:57] <McJty> Reading back

L215[00:49:07] <blood> i also need to PR Entity Activation Range for Forge

L216[00:49:12] <McJty> Yes, customizing mob spawning is already a part of RFTools Dimensions

L217[00:49:14] <blood> as entities are a huge burden on performance

L218[00:49:53] <blood> you can customize biome spawns, chunk spawns, spawn tick rates, limits etc?

L219[00:50:24] <McJty> No (I do have another mod that can do that however: In Control). But with rftools dimensions you can set a dimension to peaceful and you can 'add' mob spawns

L220[00:50:25] <blood> or does it just focus on spawn limits? and now what can spawn where

L221[00:50:35] <McJty> brb

L222[00:50:37] <blood> ah k

L223[00:50:49] <Denyol> do textures still have to be 16x16?

L224[00:51:02] <blood> ok im going to add a fix on Sponge side for RFTools dimensions

L225[00:51:04] <Denyol> I know in older mc versions they did

L226[00:51:06] <blood> ill let you know when it is fixed

L227[00:52:16] <blood> https://github.com/McJty/RFToolsDimensions/issues/68

L228[00:52:18] <blood> Sponge bug

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L230[00:53:16] <blood> https://github.com/McJty/RFToolsDimensions/issues/63

L231[00:53:20] <blood> sponge bug as well

L232[00:53:47] <blood> same bug actually =)

L233[00:54:35] <McJty> Ah thanks for looking at those!

L234[00:54:46] <McJty> Denyol, nope

L235[00:54:51] <blood> any time you get a bug with Sponge in log

L236[00:54:54] <blood> pass it to me

L237[00:54:57] <McJty> Denyol, I don't even know a version of MC where that was a limitation

L238[00:55:04] <blood> assuming you know it works in Forge

L239[00:55:15] <Denyol> Ok good, cuz I was looking at RFTools and It didnt look like 16x16 textures

L240[00:55:41] <McJty> The current set of rftools textures is 16x16 except for front panel which is 32x32 for many blocks

L241[00:56:45] <kevev> blood: Denyol: McJty: What would be the best channel to ask my performance question in? I don't want to bug if this is only Dev channel.

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L243[01:02:49] <McJty> Just ask and we'll ban you if it is not the right question :-)

L244[01:02:53] <McJty> Just kidding

L245[01:03:00] <kevev> McJty: lol

L246[01:03:11] <kevev> Well I am not sure what to ask.

L247[01:03:43] <kevev> I am having the pull back issue when flying. Server shows Can't keep up! error

L248[01:03:52] <kevev> Might be a mod. Just not sure.

L249[01:04:03] <kevev> I posted mod list and what I'm running on.

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L251[01:05:04] <kevev> Win 10 i5-4690K 3.5Ghz 12GB RAM

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L255[01:06:02] <kevev> Also error showing player moved too fast. Read lots of tutorials suggesting crazy java options. Nothing seems to work.

L256[01:06:13] <kevev> That's about it McJty.

L257[01:06:34] <blood> kevev: your server cant keep up with chunk loads

L258[01:06:48] <blood> in SpongeForge, i optimized chunks greatly

L259[01:06:50] <kevev> I'm a Unix/Linux admin. Used to be a Windows admin in previous life. So I hope I won't be too noob. :p

L260[01:07:02] <kevev> blood: ahh

L261[01:07:15] <kevev> Well the mods I run may not run on sponge. I tried it before.

L262[01:07:37] <McJty> Most mods should be compatible with spongeforge I would think

L263[01:07:38] <blood> the only mod that doesnt run on sponge is AE2 but there is a patched version for it

L264[01:07:50] <blood> however there are a few issues im fixing atm with some mods that do different things

L265[01:07:51] <kevev> orly?

L266[01:08:00] <blood> such as RFTools

L267[01:08:14] <blood> StorageDrawers has a dupe bug that im fixing now

L268[01:08:15] <kevev> BetterFPS JurassiCraft llibrary is what I use.

L269[01:08:29] <blood> how many players does your server have?

L270[01:08:36] <kevev> 1-2

L271[01:08:39] <kevev> It's for my daughter.

L272[01:08:41] <blood> then you dont need SpongeForge

L273[01:08:45] <kevev> lol

L274[01:08:46] <blood> stick to Forge only

L275[01:09:02] <blood> Sponge is really if you want to load a decent sized server

L276[01:09:07] <kevev> OK. Any suggestions for helping performance?

L277[01:09:09] <blood> and need protections, plugins etc

L278[01:09:18] <blood> hrmm well SF would definitely fix perf

L279[01:09:20] <blood> that is for sure =)

L280[01:09:25] <kevev> only my daughter and her friend are in whitelist.

L281[01:09:29] <blood> do this

L282[01:09:33] <blood> backup the entire server

L283[01:09:37] <blood> then add SpongeFOrge and test

L284[01:09:39] <blood> 1.10.2?

L285[01:09:45] <kevev> uhhh checking.

L286[01:09:56] <kevev> yes 1.10.2

L287[01:10:00] <blood> http://files.minecraftforge.net/spongepowered

L288[01:10:04] <blood> grab latest SF there

L289[01:10:07] <blood> backup server first

L290[01:10:12] <blood> pop SF into mods folder

L291[01:10:15] <blood> then test again

L292[01:10:23] <kevev> spongepowered.org?

L293[01:10:27] <blood> i just pasted it

L294[01:10:31] <kevev> gotcha

L295[01:10:45] <blood> http://files.minecraftforge.net/maven/org/spongepowered/spongeforge/1.10.2-2202-5.1.0-BETA-2093/spongeforge-1.10.2-2202-5.1.0-BETA-2093.jar

L296[01:10:46] <kevev> latest 1.10.2?

L297[01:10:57] <blood> make sure you are using at least Forge 2202

L298[01:11:27] <kevev> when you say Forge you mean minecraftforge correct?

L299[01:11:28] <blood> once you add SF, you should see a significant performance improvement

L300[01:11:38] <blood> yes

L301[01:12:02] <blood> however we do cut some corners to do it =)

L302[01:12:08] <blood> such as entity activation ranges

L303[01:12:12] <kevev> blood: lol OK

L304[01:12:42] <blood> however there are a bunch of rules to keep it as close to vanilla as possible

L305[01:12:46] <blood> and fully configurable

L306[01:13:16] <blood> i also recommend adding the plugin Nucleus so your daughter and friend can setup homes around the world

L307[01:13:20] <blood> and tp to eachother easily

L308[01:13:37] <blood> https://github.com/NucleusPowered/Nucleus/releases

L309[01:13:45] <kevev> blood: cool

L310[01:13:49] <blood> contains a ton of useful additions

L311[01:13:56] <kevev> blood: I am actually running this version of forge forge-1.10.2-12.18.2.2116-universal.jar

L312[01:13:57] <blood> basically "essentials" that every server needs

L313[01:14:07] <blood> update to 2202

L314[01:14:07] <kevev> Will the version of sf work?

L315[01:14:08] <blood> as that is old

L316[01:14:21] <kevev> I forget how to update. Just replace or do I run the jar?

L317[01:14:27] <blood> just replace the jar with new one

L318[01:14:52] <kevev> ok so run forge 2202 first? Or just run the sf jar you gave me?

L319[01:15:06] <blood> you dont run SF jar ever

L320[01:15:10] <blood> SpongeForge is literally a coremod

L321[01:15:13] <blood> just put it in mods

L322[01:15:19] <blood> and launch Forge as you normally would

L323[01:16:07] <kevev> blood: ahhhh OK. :D

L324[01:16:56] <Denyol> Why does onBlockActivated return a boolean?

L325[01:16:56] <kevev> blood: Do I need the sf jar in client mod folder or install?

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L327[01:17:05] <kevev> I know some mod jar require that.

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L329[01:18:46] <blood> not required on client

L330[01:18:50] <blood> just server

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L334[01:21:11] <McJty> Denyol, returning true indicates success and then minecraft will not attempt to use the item itself

L335[01:21:20] <Denyol> oh ok thx

L336[01:22:10] <McJty> have to go

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L338[01:22:14] <kevev> blood: wow it started up quicker.

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L340[01:24:03] <kevev> blood: Much better! :D

L341[01:24:18] <kevev> I need to see why I lost graphics mod now..

L342[01:24:53] <kevev> I am guessing that is only client side mod I need to update.

L343[01:25:04] <blood> chunks loading smoother now right?

L344[01:25:12] <kevev> blood: Hell ya dude!

L345[01:25:14] <kevev> :D:D

L346[01:25:20] <blood> yea has a ton of man hours into that =)

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L348[01:25:30] <kevev> Dayam. Someone should pay you $

L349[01:25:34] <blood> well we have a team

L350[01:25:48] <kevev> team blood? :p

L351[01:25:51] <blood> so joint effort

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L353[01:26:08] <kevev> Thank You to team Sponge! All hail team Sponge!

L354[01:26:23] <blood> for example, Deamon is world gen god

L355[01:26:24] <kevev> My daughter is going to be so happy in the morning!

L356[01:26:36] <blood> anything done in Sponge dealing with world gen is usually his code

L357[01:26:54] <blood> as for chunk performance, i handled that bit

L358[01:27:48] <blood> be sure to add nucleus

L359[01:27:56] <blood> then she can do things like /home myhome

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L361[01:28:00] <kevev> blood: I will. Reading up on that now.

L362[01:28:03] <blood> err /sethome myhome

L363[01:28:03] <blood> etc

L364[01:28:07] <blood> tons of commands

L365[01:28:14] <blood> bunch of other plugins on sponge forums

L366[01:28:16] <kevev> I bet this server will run on the Odroid XU4 now. :)

L367[01:28:29] <Denyol> How would I go about saving a List of slave tile entities to nbt

L368[01:28:54] <blood> kevev: #spongedev for sponge issues

L369[01:29:07] <Denyol> Would I save the tile entity's position?

L370[01:29:25] <Denyol> Because wouldnt loading that not work if the chunk its in is unloaded?

L371[01:29:30] <Denyol> (For a multiblock btw)

L372[01:29:42] <Denyol> In a master-slave system

L373[01:29:58] <kevev> blood: ok

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L375[01:35:48] <kevev> yikes! Still using old versio of forge. Dloading...

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L377[01:43:21] <kevev> blood: Thank You for the help! Have a great weekend. :)

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L380[02:00:03] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Pushing snapshot_20170128 mappings to Forge Maven.

L381[02:00:07] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Maven upload successful for mcp_snapshot-20170128-1.11.zip (mappings = "snapshot_20170128" in build.gradle).

L382[02:00:17] <MCPBot_Reborn> Semi-live (every 10 min), Snapshot (daily ~3:00 EST), and Stable (committed) MCPBot mapping exports can be found here: http://export.mcpbot.bspk.rs/

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L384[02:14:20] <Denyol> theres no limit on the amount of data in an NBTTagCompound?

L385[02:15:30] <killjoy> check the source on it

L386[02:15:41] <killjoy> also depends on what you consider data

L387[02:16:01] <killjoy> you're limited by the amount of memory/disk space you have.

L388[02:17:05] <Denyol> So I can store 99 stacks of items in NBT data?

L389[02:17:11] <killjoy> sure

L390[02:17:31] <Akkarin> technically you are also limited by processing power. Tons of data = tons of time spent on decoding

L391[02:17:40] <Denyol> true

L392[02:17:44] <Akkarin> even though it shouldn't be that bad since it's binary already

L393[02:17:48] <killjoy> that's not limiting if you're patient

L394[02:17:50] <Akkarin> quite close to its target format even

L395[02:17:53] <Denyol> Anyone know how AE does it?

L396[02:18:13] <Akkarin> Sure. Let's see how well users react to Windows declaring the program to hang

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L398[02:18:14] <killjoy> ItemStack.writeToNBT

L399[02:18:32] <Denyol> So AE does store all that in nbt

L400[02:18:37] <killjoy> sure

L401[02:18:40] <killjoy> iunno

L402[02:18:50] <killjoy> It's what I'd do

L403[02:18:52] <Akkarin> Which it does rather fast actually when you interact with the window in any way

L404[02:19:05] <Denyol> Ok ill try 90 stacks of items

L405[02:19:07] <Denyol> or 99

L406[02:19:10] <killjoy> minecraft sends itemstacks over network via nbt

L407[02:19:17] <Akkarin> and btw. AE does not produce a hell lot of data. It may have big numbers but those barely take any additional space. What does take space is having tons of items.

L408[02:19:28] <Akkarin> (different ones that is)

L409[02:19:41] <killjoy> <3 varint

L410[02:19:50] <Akkarin> NBT afaik does not make use of VarInts

L411[02:19:57] <killjoy> sadly

L412[02:20:09] <killjoy> though varint is only smaller up to a point

L413[02:20:16] <Denyol> I guess If I only limited storage to one time of item, I could just count the items

L414[02:20:22] <killjoy> since for every byte of data it has, there's an extra bit

L415[02:20:27] <Akkarin> VarInts are particularly bad when you expect to store lots of data

L416[02:20:39] <Akkarin> since an 8 byte number at worst becomes a 10 byte number

L417[02:20:59] <Akkarin> by default it also deals rather badly with negative numbers (to be expected)

L418[02:21:06] <killjoy> How would it handle all 1's, e.g. -1

L419[02:21:20] <Akkarin> -1 takes up the max by default unless you use zig zagging

L420[02:21:28] <Akkarin> e.g. you move the signing bit from the msb to the lsb

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L423[02:24:56] <killjoy> Ok, so there is a limit for nbt in the network.

L424[02:24:59] <killjoy> It's 2097152L

L425[02:25:24] <killjoy> if you're saving it locally, go crazy

L426[02:25:55] <Akkarin> ... why is that a long

L427[02:26:09] <killjoy> because decompiler

L428[02:26:24] <killjoy> the argument for max takes a long

L429[02:26:50] <Akkarin> well I may repeat the question then

L430[02:27:35] <killjoy> It's 2MB

L431[02:27:53] <killjoy> or maybe that's bits

L432[02:28:28] <killjoy> in which case, it's 256 KB

L433[02:28:37] <Denyol> I don't like how IntelliJ doesn't automatically add method params like eclipse does

L434[02:28:53] <killjoy> then use eclipse

L435[02:28:59] <killjoy> or find a plugin

L436[02:29:03] <Denyol> But IntelliJ is better

L437[02:29:06] <Denyol> so far

L438[02:29:09] <killjoy> preach

L439[02:33:01] <killjoy> NBTBase#read:depth is never used...

L440[02:33:10] <killjoy> yet it's checked to make sure it's < 512

L441[02:34:19] <Akkarin> well proguard does switch out "constants" against their respective values in code

L442[02:34:42] <Akkarin> if you aren't running it with sufficient passes it won't realize that the parameter is unused after applying that optimization though

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L444[02:36:21] <killjoy> It's still there because nbttagcompound and nbttaglist use it

L445[02:36:30] <Akkarin> or that yeah

L446[02:36:34] <killjoy> they send it recursively to other nbt

L447[02:36:45] <killjoy> it's a big circle jerk

L448[02:36:53] <killjoy> oh wait...

L449[02:36:56] <killjoy> I get it now

L450[02:36:57] <Akkarin> aka it is actually being used you just didn't look hard enough

L451[02:37:06] <killjoy> It is used

L452[02:37:19] <killjoy> You can't have more than 512 nested compounds or lists

L453[02:37:32] <killjoy> I remember how that caused some servers to crash because of malicious clients

L454[02:38:10] <killjoy> just imagine

L455[02:38:21] <killjoy> [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]*16

L456[02:39:03] <Akkarin> pff the attack wasn't really new

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L458[02:39:15] <killjoy> never said that

L459[02:39:15] <Akkarin> keyword zip bomb

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L461[02:39:56] <Akkarin> those things would go far deeper than anything you'd use to crash a stupid server with a small heap size

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L475[03:20:11] <Denyol> is using "ItemStackHelper.getAndSplit(inventory, index, count);" acceptable instead of writing all that stuff in decrStackSize

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L483[03:42:59] <ixuser> hey

L484[03:46:26] <ixuser> if i do some changes to the source code in idea and dont want to rerun "runClient", if there a better way to recompile and reload the library in the running instance?

L485[03:46:49] <killjoy> I suggest using your IDE's debug feature

L486[03:47:04] <killjoy> otherwise, there's some JVM arguments you can use

L487[03:50:25] <ixuser> debugging is a good option but im not sure if the changes are immdediately visible in the running session, i ll try it

L488[03:50:41] <killjoy> with eclipse, building is automatic

L489[03:51:02] <killjoy> there's a config option in intellij, but you have to manually build if debugging

L490[03:52:29] <Akkarin> hotswapping changes are immediately visible when executed

L491[03:52:41] <Akkarin> e.g. if you change your constructor contents it'll obviously not run again

L492[03:52:47] <Akkarin> also: ctrl + f9 exists in IntelliJ

L493[03:53:00] <killjoy> but you can't add methods/fields

L494[03:53:03] <killjoy> classes are fine

L495[03:53:08] <Akkarin> use jRebel then

L496[03:53:12] <killjoy> not innerclases

L497[03:53:44] <Akkarin> even though I believe the newer versions hate Forge to death ... for obvious reasons

L498[03:59:18] <gigaherz> Denyol: you shouldn't have any "decrStackSize" at all. that's IInventory, and IInventory shouldn't be used in mods

L499[03:59:48] <Denyol> Oh, what should be used to add an inventory to a Tile Enity?

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L502[04:01:02] <gigaherz> Capabilities.

L503[04:01:04] <gigaherz> IItemHandler

L504[04:01:49] <Denyol> Oh, how do I use that>

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L506[04:03:35] <killjoy> kenzierocks, https://www.namecheap.com/domains/registration/results.aspx?domain=kenzie.rocks

L507[04:03:51] <killjoy> you should totally buy that

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L509[04:05:23] <ixuser> nice, hotswapping works, thank you

L510[04:06:14] <gigaherz> Denyol: https://gist.github.com/gigaherz/fafed49f5f2e6121bc1f9bf8414dc648

L511[04:06:16] <gigaherz> like this

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L513[04:06:39] <Denyol> Thx, ill look through that

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L515[04:07:02] <gigaherz> (and yes, I just wrote it in the 5m inutes since you asked how to use that ;P)

L516[04:08:00] <gigaherz> oops made a mistake

L517[04:08:38] <gigaherz> there.

L518[04:08:52] <Denyol> Where would I check if an item is valid for a slot

L519[04:09:13] <hipsterpig> GOOD JOB GIGAHERZ NOW MY MOD IS ALL RUINED BECAUSE OF YOUR MISTAKE

L520[04:09:25] <gigaherz> Denyol: inside the itemstackhandler

L521[04:09:30] <gigaherz> override insertItem

L522[04:09:35] <Denyol> oh, ok

L523[04:09:49] <gigaherz> ctrl-o or ctrl-shift-o in idea

L524[04:09:50] <gigaherz> ;P

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L527[04:13:42] <Denyol> So i can delete all the IInventory stuff?

L528[04:15:06] <barteks2x> So I setup forge dev (not MDK) environment, and it crashes on startup with this: http://pastebin.com/xK5JyZU7 ,any idea what could be wrong?

L529[04:15:24] <barteks2x> oh, I see

L530[04:15:27] <barteks2x> nonnull

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L533[04:15:49] <barteks2x> how to disable that things?

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L536[04:17:22] <Abastro> Sound with null ID?

L537[04:18:30] <gigaherz> Denyol: yes.

L538[04:18:41] <gigaherz> if you have a GUI

L539[04:18:44] <gigaherz> you'll haveto use SlotItemHandler

L540[04:18:47] <gigaherz> instead of just Slot

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L543[04:19:47] <Denyol> and SlotItemHandler can be subclassed just like Slot?

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L546[04:22:04] <Denyol> Also If I don't want to allow an item in a slot I return the stack in insertItem?

L547[04:23:32] <gigaherz> yes return it unused

L548[04:23:52] <Denyol> ok

L549[04:23:56] <gigaherz> you may also want to override the method in the custom slot class

L550[04:24:06] <gigaherz> (isItemValid)

L551[04:24:10] <gigaherz> just to save time

L552[04:24:22] <gigaherz> since the normal isItemValid would try to insert, and then compare the output

L553[04:28:23] <Denyol> "A TileEntity has thrown an exception during loading, its state cannot be restored. Report this to the mod author

L554[04:28:24] <Denyol> java.lang.ClassCastException: net.minecraft.nbt.NBTTagCompound cannot be cast to net.minecraft.nbt.NBTTagList"

L555[04:28:31] <Denyol> on ITEMS_CAPABILITY.readNBT(inventory, null, tag);

L556[04:29:03] <gigaherz> hmmm

L557[04:29:13] <gigaherz> did you use a tag compound with that same exact name before?

L558[04:29:27] <Denyol> what do you mean?

L559[04:29:39] <gigaherz> I mean if your old readFromNBT had a "inventory" key in it

L560[04:29:49] <Denyol> yes, it did

L561[04:29:54] <gigaherz> yeah that's the problem, then

L562[04:29:56] <Denyol> Ill delete that world then...

L563[04:30:39] <gigaherz> wait wait

L564[04:30:41] <gigaherz> if (compound.getTagId("inventory") == Constants.NBT.TAG_LIST)

L565[04:30:45] <gigaherz> add that as protection

L566[04:31:07] <Denyol> ive already replaced the world...

L567[04:31:12] * gigaherz shrugs

L568[04:31:32] <Denyol> errors gone

L569[04:31:43] <Denyol> I would have changed it, If the mod actually had a playerbase

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L572[04:47:46] <barteks2x> Any idea how to make IDEA not autoimport stuff and do formatting for me? (trying to fix a vanilla bug in forge)

L573[04:48:09] <TechnicianLP> do not hit the buttons to do so?

L574[04:48:22] <barteks2x> it automatically changes fully qualified class name to import

L575[04:50:22] <barteks2x> there has to be a way to do it, I just can't find it in config

L576[04:52:47] <gigaherz> settings -> general -> Auto Import ?

L577[04:53:02] <gigaherz> there's a "optimize inmports on the fly" in there

L578[04:53:15] <gigaherz> -n

L579[04:53:34] <barteks2x> any way to make it per-project?

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L581[04:55:24] <gigaherz> barteks2x: it should be per-project? you see "for current project" at the top?

L582[04:55:49] <barteks2x> ah, yes. I don't like how per-project and global settings are mixed in the same place

L583[04:56:31] <gigaherz> yeah, I wish it was more explicit

L584[04:56:54] <barteks2x> And it still autoimports flly qualified class names

L585[04:56:57] <gigaherz> like some dropdown with "Apply these changes to... [current project/global]"

L586[04:57:44] <barteks2x> Ideally I want it to become a dumb text editor with syntax highlighting and autocomplete

L587[04:58:06] <Denyol> gigaherz, how would I make the ItemStackHandler in one TE return all the values for a different TE, e.g. make the first TE1 return TE2's getStackInSlot

L588[04:58:19] <gigaherz> Denyol: you don't need to

L589[04:58:21] <gigaherz> just make getcapability

L590[04:58:27] <gigaherz> return the result of the other TE's getCapability

L591[04:58:35] <Denyol> oh, ok ill try that

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L593[04:59:13] <Denyol> so on getCapability if it has TE2 return its ItemStackHandler, otherwise return TE1's ItemStackHandler

L594[05:00:33] <Denyol> ?

L595[05:01:41] <gigaherz> I have no idea what you meant with that ;P

L596[05:02:28] <Denyol> ill post some example code

L597[05:02:38] <gigaherz> teOther = world.getTileEntity(pos.east()); if (teOther instanceof TE1) inventoryOther = teOther.getcapability(ITEMS, WEST);

L598[05:03:45] <gigaherz> or if you don't care what "TE1" is, and just want to return any inventory it may have, if (teOther.hasCapability(ITEMS, WEST)) inventoryOther = teOther.getcapability(ITEMS, WEST);

L599[05:03:55] <Denyol> actually, ill explain. I have a base TE class that has the inventory capability, the TE also has a variable "TileEntityBase master", and if master != null I want to return master's inventory

L600[05:04:27] <gigaherz> eh

L601[05:04:31] <Denyol> instead of the TE's own inventory

L602[05:04:35] <gigaherz> give matser a .getInventory() method

L603[05:04:41] <gigaherz> and return your inventory object from there

L604[05:04:43] <gigaherz> and just use that

L605[05:04:48] <Denyol> ok

L606[05:05:45] <Denyol> its complainging about an Unchecked cast on "(T) getMaster().getInventory();"

L607[05:05:56] <gigaherz> @SuppressWarnings("unchecked")

L608[05:05:58] <gigaherz> no way around it

L609[05:06:40] <Denyol> oh, wait, I want to return the masters capability

L610[05:06:43] <Denyol> not its inventory

L611[05:06:49] <gigaherz> nono

L612[05:07:01] <gigaherz> that'd be ok as it is

L613[05:07:08] <gigaherz> since the "capability" is just the inventory

L614[05:07:13] <Denyol> oh yeh

L615[05:07:28] <Denyol> Ive got this, https://hastebin.com/ecenopatot.java

L616[05:09:16] <Denyol> Attempting to use it in a MultiBlock slave-master system

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L619[05:13:08] <barteks2x> should I use getPatches or genForgePatches task?

L620[05:13:25] <gigaherz> genPatches

L621[05:13:57] <barteks2x> and what is the difference?

L622[05:14:11] <gigaherz> one is a super-task of the other

L623[05:15:00] <barteks2x> I was running getForgePathes before, but it frose at extractForgeRangemap, I was waiting >5 minutes

L624[05:16:28] <barteks2x> argh... IDEA already made a mess in imports

L625[05:16:41] <gigaherz> that's normal

L626[05:16:48] <gigaherz> extract rangemap takes a while the first time

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L628[05:17:20] <barteks2x> this time it finished in under 1 minute (I stopped the previous task)

L629[05:17:43] <gigaherz> you stopped it in the middle of extractForgeRangemap?

L630[05:17:54] <barteks2x> yes, is that bad?

L631[05:17:56] <gigaherz> I'm not sure that's a good thing to do.

L632[05:18:01] <gigaherz> it could have left things half-done

L633[05:18:07] <gigaherz> and it may be thinking it's fully done

L634[05:18:11] <barteks2x> it was taking over 5 minutes, closer to 10 already

L635[05:18:15] <gigaherz> yeah normal

L636[05:18:18] <gigaherz> the first time

L637[05:18:39] <Ordinastie> gigaherz, it not just "it takes a long time", it actually freezes

L638[05:18:46] <barteks2x> Does clean task reset it?

L639[05:18:50] <gigaherz> Ordinastie: does it?

L640[05:19:01] <gigaherz> first time I hear of it actually freezing

L641[05:19:11] <Ordinastie> I once forgot it for more than an hour

L642[05:19:16] <gigaherz> last I heard it was just that it takes a long time the first time

L643[05:19:20] <gigaherz> if it does actually freesze

L644[05:19:24] <gigaherz> then maybe it was ok

L645[05:19:26] <barteks2x> I also have the issue that sometimes "configure build" takes forever for no reason

L646[05:19:54] <Ordinastie> I always cancel it now if it take longer than a minute

L647[05:20:20] <barteks2x> anyone tried to debug the issue?

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L651[05:21:29] <barteks2x> Anyway, I already have a fix, but I have no idea if it doesn't break anything

L652[05:21:49] <barteks2x> (it shouldn't but minecraft is weird sometimes)

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L655[05:23:11] <barteks2x> ah... I didn't know clean removes the projects

L656[05:23:20] <barteks2x> why there is no warning... it actually removes code

L657[05:23:36] <Ordinastie> no it doesn't ôO

L658[05:23:50] <barteks2x> it removed everything from projects

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L660[05:24:00] <barteks2x> only build.gradle files left

L661[05:24:12] <Ordinastie> well, that's IDEA for you

L662[05:24:20] <barteks2x> it was the gradle clean task

L663[05:24:34] <gigaherz> technically the project folders are build output so... ;P

L664[05:24:50] <barteks2x> but they are technically also code that you modify

L665[05:24:54] <gigaherz> yes

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L667[05:25:03] <gigaherz> but even setupForge will happily overwrite your changes

L668[05:25:22] <gigaherz> you have to be paranoid when using forge's gradle commands ,P

L669[05:25:22] <barteks2x> I still think it should be separate task for that instead of clean

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L671[05:27:22] <barteks2x> what... I reran setupForge and my patches are still there

L672[05:27:57] <gigaherz> then genPatches had done its job and it just reapplied them?

L673[05:29:29] <barteks2x> why did it update some random json file for me?

L674[05:29:45] <barteks2x> specifically jsons/1.11.2.json

L675[05:29:59] <gigaherz> it happens to everyone

L676[05:30:07] <gigaherz> dunno why it's not like that in the repository

L677[05:30:10] <gigaherz> just ignore the file

L678[05:30:23] <barteks2x> so I shouldn't add it to commit?

L679[05:31:08] <gigaherz> nope

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L683[05:35:35] <barteks2x> And I ended up with detached head state

L684[05:35:42] <barteks2x> how does it happen O.o

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L690[05:48:49] <gigaherz> barteks2x: bad checkout

L691[05:48:55] <gigaherz> yo ucan use git branch

L692[05:49:04] <gigaherz> to create a branch from that detached commit

L693[05:49:09] <barteks2x> that's what happens when I use gui for git

L694[05:49:32] <gigaherz> I use tortoisegit, and I don't have those problems

L695[05:49:32] <barteks2x> anyway, PR submitted

L696[05:49:33] <gigaherz> ;p

L697[05:49:49] <gigaherz> yay, welcome to the peopoe waiting for PRs club ;p

L698[05:50:03] <barteks2x> it's one line fix, with another line of comment

L699[05:50:53] <fry> number of lines doesn't corellate strongly with the review effort

L700[05:51:20] <barteks2x> I still have no idea if it doesn't actually break something

L701[05:51:21] <gigaherz> and h aving a PR reviewed and approved doesn't correlate with it being merged, either

L702[05:52:04] <barteks2x> because it's rendering and it's the first time I really touch it

L703[05:52:20] <barteks2x> (at least in forge)

L704[05:52:56] <gigaherz> you could have pasted the link here, to make it easier for fry to take a peek at it ;P

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L706[05:53:18] <barteks2x> https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/pull/3666 here, but probably too late already

L707[05:53:48] <fry> TOO LATE

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L711[06:04:26] <Denyol> Ok, "readNBT(inventory, null, tag);" on a "Capability<IItemHandler>" is causing the error "java.lang.ClassCastException: net.minecraft.nbt.NBTTagCompound cannot be cast to net.minecraft.nbt.NBTTagList"

L712[06:04:50] <gigaherz> isnt' that hte same error you had before?

L713[06:05:02] <Denyol> yeh

L714[06:05:12] <Denyol> ill try the "if (compound.getTagId("inventory") == Constants.NBT.TAG_LIST)" tho, apparently deleting the world didnt work

L715[06:05:36] <Denyol> also what should Constants be?

L716[06:05:40] <Denyol> where is that from?

L717[06:05:48] <gigaherz> it's part of forge?

L718[06:06:00] <gigaherz> does IDEA not find it?

L719[06:06:12] <Denyol> nope

L720[06:06:24] <Denyol> oop, I made it

L721[06:06:34] <Denyol> its imported now

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L723[06:13:24] <Denyol> Im also getting "class me.denyol.blockbank.tileentity.vault.TileEntityVaultWall is missing a mapping! This is a bug!: on "super.writeToNBT(tag);"

L724[06:13:35] <Ordinastie> you need to register your TE class

L725[06:13:41] <TechnicianLP> ^

L726[06:13:56] <Denyol> oh yeah, forgot about that :/

L727[06:15:03] <Denyol> gigahertz: if (compound.getTagId("inventory") == Constants.NBT.TAG_LIST), doesn't let it read the inventory now

L728[06:15:33] <Denyol> gigaherz*

L729[06:16:05] <Denyol> oh wait, it is nvm

L730[06:16:33] <Denyol> but im still getting the error

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L752[07:47:01] <Shambling> what are the meat and potatoes you would consider from a tech mod? Ore doubling/smelter/armor/weapons/tools? Anything else would be considered core items?

L753[07:47:41] <TechnicianLP> a unique concept

L754[07:49:38] <Shambling> so basically anything fun and useful :p ok

L755[07:49:41] <Shambling> that is easier to go with

L756[07:49:42] <Shambling> lol :P

L757[07:51:13] <TechnicianLP> !gp p_135058_2_

L758[07:54:47] <Savos> Not forge related, but does anyone have a recommendation for a 30+ inch 21:9 gaming display?

L759[07:55:57] <Shambling> holy crud

L760[07:56:02] <Shambling> a big wallet

L761[07:56:39] <Shambling> I usually have best results with acer for cheap prices, asus makes good monitors as well. Stay away from Dell and HP

L762[07:57:00] <Shambling> aside from that, not really any suggestions other than make sure both inputs are the type you want, as the more converters the more problems

L763[07:57:58] <Savos> Cheers

L764[07:58:13] <Naiten> So, whenever my entities are unloaded/loaded back or when I rejoin the server, this magnificent magic happens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTB5XTKCKMw

L765[07:58:20] <Shambling> oh and make sure you get the refresh rate that you want, those sizes they start really cheaping out on refresh rate

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L772[08:04:11] <Shambling> 1.10.2 -> 1.11.2 what is the change for state.getPropertyNames()? state.getProperties(). ?

L773[08:05:35] <Shambling> while I ask this, I am searching google and the source code

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L776[08:15:03] <Shambling> !gp func_190916_E

L777[08:15:40] <Shambling> !help

L778[08:16:00] <Shambling> !gm func_190916_E

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L781[08:21:26] <Shambling> hmmm most of these changes are fairly simple, off to work land

L782[08:30:05] <Shambling> there, semi-working copy of open harvest for 1.11.2

L783[08:30:30] <Shambling> now I simply should fork it and make it available for compairing to master and bugfixes for other people

L784[08:30:43] <Shambling> as I don't think setting mainhand to null is an accepted feature in 1.11.2 :D

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L788[08:39:59] <TechnicianLP> the max damage on items is Int.Max_VAL? or does it get cut of somewhere?

L789[08:44:20] <PaleoCrafter> it's Short.MAX_VALUE - 1

L790[08:45:06] <TechnicianLP> thx

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L792[09:06:02] <gigaherz> I wish mc would use variable-length integers for storage

L793[09:06:05] <gigaherz> in a general sense

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L795[09:07:39] <PaleoCrafter> I wish mc did a lot of stuff differently :P

L796[09:10:59] <RandomX45> @Savos: I know this is late, but keep in mind that bigger screens with acceptable DPIs will put more strain on your GPU's pixel shading hardware. So your games will run at lower speeds if you don't have a beefy enough GPU.

L797[09:11:39] <Savos> I have a GTX 1080

L798[09:12:31] <RandomX45> okay, just making that point known... because once you max out your pixel shader the only way to fix is to either lower your res or buy a better GPU

L799[09:12:44] <Savos> Cheers:D

L800[09:12:54] <RandomX45> I made that mistake :P

L801[09:13:25] <RandomX45> running at non-native reses sucks.

L802[09:14:06] <RandomX45> It's better if you can keep the same scale... (i.e 16:9, 4:3 ect), but still sucks.

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L809[09:51:50] <Ordinastie> it's getting better and better : http://puu.sh/tE0Gi.png

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L811[09:56:23] <fry> PLS

L812[10:00:24] <PaleoCrafter> well, go ahead and update, Ordinastie :P

L813[10:00:32] <Ordinastie> I AM! :'(

L814[10:00:42] <PaleoCrafter> do it faster

L815[10:01:02] <Ordinastie> that's what she said

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L817[10:19:26] <shadowfacts> So I'm setting up a new 1.11.2 project, and running setupDecompWorkspace outputs "There are no mappings for 1.11.2"

L818[10:19:45] <shadowfacts> I'm using the latest snapshot which was working for a different project a couple days ago

L819[10:19:51] <shadowfacts> Did something change and is there any way around it?

L820[10:21:31] <PaleoCrafter> shadowfacts, the current mappings simply are for 1.11, not 1.11.2

L821[10:21:34] <PaleoCrafter> but they work either way

L822[10:21:46] <shadowfacts> I understand that, what I'm saying is that they don't work

L823[10:21:52] <PaleoCrafter> oh, what

L824[10:24:29] <LexMobile> if you specify the mappings it should work no matter the mc version

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L826[10:31:33] <shadowfacts> Ah, it was because I was still on FG 2.1

L827[10:31:37] <shadowfacts> switching to 2.2 fixes it

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L833[10:48:41] <Shambling> ordinaste, what was that spongebob thing in reference to?

L834[10:49:52] <Shambling> switching comps, using tightvnc to view my main PC to use irc is inefficient

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L837[10:50:23] <Kragnoth> there

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L839[10:53:10] <Shambling> is there a common way of forking a repo to update to newer version of minecraft to let people have access to an updated source? does git automatically make the fork visible and clone the main text?

L840[10:53:41] <Shambling> I haven't really done much with forking yet, but would like to make a version avaible for 1.11.2, as it doesn't seem like anyone is updating it, and I think its a cool treecapitator replacement

L841[10:57:30] <IoP> are you sure you don't want a new branch? Also git != github

L842[11:00:00] <Shambling> well I know I have to use a git push origin master after I make my changes. git pulls from github, so sorry if I simplify things due to lack of knowledge of differences

L843[11:00:14] <Shambling> its not my repo, so not sure on the branch thing

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L846[11:11:33] <williewillus> hm

L847[11:11:46] <williewillus> I'm trying to figure out what bit 4 on the entity AI tasks is

L848[11:11:59] <williewillus> bit 1 is movement, and bit 2 is head movement/look

L849[11:12:07] <williewillus> but bit 4 usage seems to vary

L850[11:12:22] <PaleoCrafter> 'Misc'? :P

L851[11:14:33] <Ordinastie> what the way to trigger a block/chunk redraw again ?

L852[11:14:59] <Ordinastie> nvm

L853[11:16:01] <williewillus> notifyBlockUpdate

L854[11:16:07] <williewillus> or markBlockRangeForRerender

L855[11:16:09] <barteks2x> I hate how switch...case works in java...

L856[11:16:22] <williewillus> you mean how it works in every other C extended family language? :P

L857[11:16:23] <barteks2x> it's *almost* useful

L858[11:16:40] <williewillus> anyways, I think bit 4 is 'swimming'

L859[11:16:42] <barteks2x> variable declarations leak through to the next one

L860[11:17:40] <williewillus> not if you introduce a new scope

L861[11:17:41] <williewillus> using {}

L862[11:18:02] <barteks2x> and add enother indent level

L863[11:18:37] * TechnicianLP didnt know that was a thing ....

L864[11:19:06] <barteks2x> what? a {} created by itself?

L865[11:19:15] <barteks2x> or the switch...case behavior?

L866[11:19:15] <williewillus> 'case's don't introduce new scopes, switch is literally just a goto dispatched on the switch value

L867[11:20:19] <DaMachinator> barteks2x: are you using break; after (each) case(s)

L868[11:20:24] <barteks2x> yes

L869[11:21:25] <barteks2x> I probably should change it to if..else

L870[11:22:10] <williewillus> the break doesn't end any scope either, if you want variable isolution use {} as always

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L872[11:22:13] <williewillus> *isolation

L873[11:22:29] <barteks2x> or just use if..else chain

L874[11:22:29] <williewillus> blame K+R when they made designed it ;p

L875[11:22:32] <barteks2x> much less painful

L876[11:22:41] <williewillus> *designed it

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L880[11:27:03] <Shambling> I always used a { and } right under case, just seemed simpler to follow similar code like if and else use

L881[11:27:21] <Shambling> still need the break, but still...

L882[11:27:44] <Shambling> sometimes the most hilarious bugs I've introduced were in forgetting break in a large switch statement

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L884[11:42:44] <DaMachinator> would someone please explain to me how an NBTTagCompound works?

L885[11:42:58] <McJty> It doesn't work. It is just a way to store data

L886[11:43:13] <McJty> And MC uses it to save your tile entity/item data

L887[11:43:25] <McJty> And some other things

L888[11:43:59] <DaMachinator> I'm trying to store a HashSet of BlockPos objects to WorldSavedData.

L889[11:44:49] <McJty> You can store that as an NBTTagList with NBTTagCompounds having 3 tags each (x, y, and z)

L890[11:45:03] <McJty> Or you can store that as three int arrays which might be more efficient

L891[11:45:09] <McJty> i.e. an array with all x coordinates, and so on

L892[11:45:31] <barteks2x> or one array of ints

L893[11:45:37] <McJty> That too

L894[11:46:49] <DaMachinator> i'd need to use vectors rather than arrays, though

L895[11:47:01] <McJty> DaMachinator, what?

L896[11:47:19] <McJty> NBTIntArray would work well

L897[11:47:35] <DaMachinator> correct me if i am wrong, but java arrays have a fixed size that is declared when they are created

L898[11:47:55] <DaMachinator> int[6] intArray = {1,2,4,5,2,6};

L899[11:48:15] <McJty> new int[var] works just fine

L900[11:48:34] <williewillus> by the way, if you're storing blockpos'es and don't care about external editability

L901[11:48:39] <williewillus> you can just use a single long

L902[11:48:41] <williewillus> instead of an int array

L903[11:48:42] <McJty> So you create an int array with 3 times the blockpos set size

L904[11:48:47] <williewillus> BlockPos.fromLong/toLong

L905[11:48:51] <williewillus> saves some bytes

L906[11:48:53] <DaMachinator> when a relay block is placed in the world

L907[11:48:58] <McJty> That works too

L908[11:49:00] <DaMachinator> it stores its position to the hashset

L909[11:49:30] <williewillus> NBTTagList of NBTTagLongs

L910[11:49:31] * barteks2x hates BlockPos.to/fromLong

L911[11:49:42] <williewillus> lol

L912[11:49:55] <DaMachinator> when an energynet block queries that position and finds nothing there (since there seems to be no reliable way to detect when a block is removed), the blockpos is removed from the HashSet

L913[11:50:10] <williewillus> NBT is a serialization format

L914[11:50:12] <DaMachinator> the HashSet must be saved to WorldSavedData per dimension

L915[11:50:14] <McJty> DaMachinator, yes, that's fine but that has nothing to do with this

L916[11:50:17] <williewillus> it's only used when writing to disk

L917[11:50:29] <McJty> You serialize the hashset to a list of longs for writing

L918[11:50:37] <McJty> And when reading you construct the hashset from that list again

L919[11:50:47] <DaMachinator> ok i'm even more confused now

L920[11:50:59] <williewillus> NBT is a saving format

L921[11:51:04] <williewillus> it has nothing to do with your program logic

L922[11:51:11] <DaMachinator> ok

L923[11:51:15] <williewillus> it's just like json, if you've heard of that

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L925[11:51:28] <williewillus> in your normal mod logic you just work with normal java objects

L926[11:51:32] <DaMachinator> i have, given that all of the block models are done in json

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L928[11:51:40] <gigaherz> DaMachinator: didn't I already explain to you how to do it?

L929[11:51:56] <DaMachinator> gigaherz: maybe, but i still haven't a clue what i am doing

L930[11:51:56] <gigaherz> you were the one I showed how to do a WorldSavedData right?

L931[11:52:03] <gigaherz> the idea was always

L932[11:52:04] <DaMachinator> the forge docs aren't really helpful

L933[11:52:08] <williewillus> I don't understand what you're confused about though

L934[11:52:08] <gigaherz> to have a HAshSet in memory

L935[11:52:15] <gigaherz> and convert into NBTTagList on saving

L936[11:52:20] <gigaherz> and then read the NBTTagList on loading

L937[11:52:36] <gigaherz> I even showed you my rift storage manager

L938[11:52:37] <DaMachinator> i have no idea how any of these NBTTagThings work

L939[11:52:37] <McJty> That NBTTagList only exists during saving/loading

L940[11:52:44] <McJty> It doesn't exist in your logic

L941[11:52:44] <DaMachinator> gigaherz: i have no recollection of this

L942[11:52:54] <williewillus> whenever you see *anything* NBT that means you are saving/loading

L943[11:52:55] <gigaherz> I even showed you my rift storage class

L944[11:52:58] <gigaherz> which does it for a Map<>

L945[11:53:17] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/Ender-Rift/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/enderRift/rift/storage/RiftStorageWorldData.java#L66

L946[11:53:20] <DaMachinator> i have no recollection of this

L947[11:53:22] <McJty> williewillus, not always. Item manipulation sometimes involves NBT manipulation without loading/saving (immediatelly)

L948[11:53:23] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/Ender-Rift/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/enderRift/rift/storage/RiftStorageWorldData.java#L87

L949[11:53:27] * gigaherz shrugs

L950[11:53:32] <williewillus> McJty: yes but I am simplifying :P

L951[11:53:40] <williewillus> minecraft does not know how to save a java.util.HashSet to the disk. it DOES know how how to save NBT tags though

L952[11:53:45] <williewillus> so you convert the former to the latter

L953[11:53:48] <williewillus> so mc can save it for you

L954[11:54:19] <DaMachinator> ok thank you

L955[11:54:51] <williewillus> so to convert a HashSet<BlockPos> to something mc knows how to save, you would make it an NBTTagList with NBTTagLongs inside

L956[11:54:53] <gigaherz> DaMachinator: as an explanation:

L957[11:55:04] <gigaherz> NBTTagCompound is a special kind of Map

L958[11:55:15] <DaMachinator> what is an NBTTagList, how do i get one, and how does one iterate over it

L959[11:55:15] <gigaherz> it's like a Map<String, NBTBase>

L960[11:55:25] <gigaherz> while an NBTTagList is like a List<NBTBase>

L961[11:55:39] <williewillus> 1. ^ 2. you counstruct it 3. it has a size() method

L962[11:55:49] <gigaherz> and NBTBase can be anything from NBTInt, NBTBoolean, or other NBTTagCompounds and NBTTagLists

L963[11:56:08] <gigaherz> just use it a bit

L964[11:56:14] <gigaherz> play around with it

L965[11:56:21] <gigaherz> try to insert data and read it back

L966[11:56:25] <DaMachinator> ...

L967[11:56:37] <williewillus> ?

L968[11:56:49] <DaMachinator> does one just NBTInt thingy = 1?

L969[11:56:54] <williewillus> no...

L970[11:56:56] <gigaherz> no

L971[11:56:57] <gigaherz> you do

L972[11:56:58] <williewillus> you construct it

L973[11:56:58] <McJty> This is still java

L974[11:57:01] <williewillus> like any other java object

L975[11:57:04] <gigaherz> tagCompound.setInteger

L976[11:57:06] <McJty> NBTInt is a class. You have to instantiate it

L977[11:57:08] <McJty> Using 'new'

L978[11:57:20] <DaMachinator> NBTInt thingy = new NBTInt(1);

L979[11:57:24] <gigaherz> yes

L980[11:57:34] <DaMachinator> i now have an NBTInt called "thingy"

L981[11:57:38] <McJty> But for this you need NBTTagLong though

L982[11:57:47] <McJty> At least if you plan to go with the blockpos.toLong method

L983[11:58:20] <DaMachinator> does NBTTagList have .push() and/or .pop() methods to add things to it?

L984[11:58:34] <williewillus> use your ide

L985[11:58:35] <williewillus> and look

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L987[11:59:18] <DaMachinator> time to find out where the package is

L988[11:59:42] <williewillus> ctrl+n, NBTTagList, enter :P

L989[11:59:47] <williewillus> or whatever it was for eclipse

L990[11:59:49] <Lumien> If you use eclipse CTRL SHIFT T

L991[12:01:38] <DaMachinator> so an NBTTagCompound is an NBTTag that contains other NBTTags?

L992[12:01:49] <williewillus> yes

L993[12:01:53] <DaMachinator> like a HashMap of NBTTags?

L994[12:01:59] <williewillus> it's a map from string to any other nbt tag

L995[12:02:09] <DaMachinator> ok...

L996[12:02:18] <williewillus> look at the methods on it

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L998[12:02:41] <DaMachinator> WorldSavedData seems to want me to feed it NBTTagCompounds to save

L999[12:03:03] <williewillus> ?

L1000[12:03:07] <williewillus> you are passed a compound

L1001[12:03:09] <williewillus> put your stuff in it

L1002[12:03:11] <williewillus> then return it

L1003[12:04:12] <williewillus> look at how the other WSD's do it (MapData is a good example)

L1004[12:04:34] <DaMachinator> um

L1005[12:04:37] <DaMachinator> oh

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L1007[12:08:02] <DaMachinator> do blocks know their BlockPos or do i need a TileEntity to get that

L1008[12:08:15] <McJty> Every block has only one instance

L1009[12:08:19] <McJty> So how can it even know its own position?

L1010[12:08:39] <McJty> There is one dirt block instance in memory. Even if you are looking at a mountain of dirt

L1011[12:09:36] <barteks2x> but many methods in Block get BlockPos as argument

L1012[12:10:27] <McJty> DaMachinator, but in any case, you should not need a tile entity to be able to get a position of a block

L1013[12:10:36] <McJty> The position should be something you get from your context

L1014[12:13:35] <DaMachinator> hmm

L1015[12:13:43] <DaMachinator> overriding onBlockAdded should work

L1016[12:13:52] <DaMachinator> key word being *should*

L1017[12:14:00] <DaMachinator> time to add lots of logging statements

L1018[12:14:26] <williewillus> what's the purpose of ItemStackHolder?

L1019[12:14:37] <williewillus> vs just referring directly

L1020[12:16:16] <williewillus> asking because I add banner patterns in preinit with certain itemstacks

L1021[12:16:34] <williewillus> and it doesn't work. looking at it with a debugger it shows an entirely different item than what it actually is

L1022[12:16:45] <williewillus> *than what I registered it as

L1023[12:19:35] <McJty> The purpose is probably exactly what it says in the comment

L1024[12:19:44] <McJty> But I haven't used it myself so no idea how it really works

L1025[12:19:53] <williewillus> okay then forget that question, anyone know about the problem I stated?

L1026[12:21:39] <gigaherz> what did you ask? XD

L1027[12:22:00] <williewillus> adding banner patterns in preinit, which requires constructing an itemstack (in this case, iron sword)

L1028[12:22:14] <williewillus> later, the crafting recipe doesn't work and the itemstack shows "vine" inside

L1029[12:22:22] <gigaherz> hmmm

L1030[12:22:28] <gigaherz> is adding banner patterns supported?

L1031[12:22:33] <williewillus> using enumhelper

L1032[12:22:52] <williewillus> i remember it working in 1.9

L1033[12:23:16] <gigaherz> hmm I see

L1034[12:23:29] <gigaherz> and it doesn't appear that the banner patterns are referenced directly

L1035[12:23:58] <williewillus> the recipe uses Enum.values()

L1036[12:24:21] <williewillus> my pattern shows up it just fails the stack matching with the crafting interface

L1037[12:24:33] * gigaherz nods

L1038[12:25:18] <gigaherz> wait, waht fails?

L1039[12:25:26] <gigaherz> getCraftingResult?

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L1042[12:28:37] <williewillus> wait never mind the items match

L1043[12:28:44] <williewillus> the logic in this recipe is just a bit screwy..

L1044[12:29:20] <williewillus> oh lol nvm

L1045[12:29:23] * williewillus facepalms

L1046[12:30:23] <McJty> The famous programmer facepalm moment

L1047[12:30:39] <williewillus> I forgot vanilla requires you to have a dye when you add a pattern

L1048[12:30:42] <williewillus> >_>

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L1065[13:45:44] <barteks2x> where are my irc logs!? They disappeared

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L1067[13:46:42] <barteks2x> ... any way to use discord without updating?

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L1069[13:59:54] <Ordinastie> well, that was dumb

L1070[14:00:14] <Ordinastie> to have fancy demo for some tickable block, I made the block have the render based on it

L1071[14:00:22] <Ordinastie> except it tick server side only :x

L1072[14:03:42] <Ordinastie> not sure how to handle that :/

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L1074[14:11:22] <gigaherz> Ordinastie: vanilla uses tileentities ;P

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L1080[14:33:39] <diesieben07> williewillus, followup: @ItemStackHolder is for referring to itemstacks from other mods without hard-dependencies

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L1082[14:34:08] <williewillus> ah I see

L1083[14:35:57] <diesieben07> although really it is mostly convenience, since you could just @ObjectHolder and construct the ItemStack manually

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L1089[15:16:09] <heldplayer> Is there something in Forge that is enforcing @Nonnull annotations, or possibly IDEA doing this? Because my code is getting called by vanilla with null values on methods with parameters marked as Nonnull because that's what the contract for them is

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L1091[15:17:23] <diesieben07> IntelliJ adds runtime checks for the annotations

L1092[15:18:02] <heldplayer> That's what I thought but I'm not sure where to look to disable that

L1093[15:18:35] <diesieben07> Settings > Build, Execution, Deployment > Compiler > Add runtime assertions for not-null...

L1094[15:19:38] <heldplayer> Thanks! <3

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L1109[15:34:09] <killjoy> Missing nullable annotation

L1110[15:34:33] <killjoy> because @MethodParametersAreNonnullByDefault is on every package

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L1124[16:40:33] <TechnicianLP> weird problem: if i place a block with a custom model, getQuads gets called; if i close and reopen the world, everything turns into missingno models, without getQuads being called ... any ideas what could cause this?

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L1126[16:41:39] <gigaherz> TechnicianLP: show us how you register your model, and your model

L1127[16:45:02] <TechnicianLP> https://gist.github.com/TechnicianLP/e6c528bc76da358ca9ecf7b9521ee0c9

L1128[16:46:12] <TechnicianLP> this: ModelLoaderRegistry.registerLoader(new MechanicsModelLoader()); is the first thing in preinit

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L1130[16:52:35] <williewillus> show the block class

L1131[16:53:08] <williewillus> (also this isn't relevant but why linked list of quads? 0.o)

L1132[16:53:57] <diesieben07> LinkedList is basically never the right choice

L1133[16:54:12] <williewillus> do you hear that it's the sound of your cache crying

L1134[16:54:20] <williewillus> ;p

L1135[16:54:22] <gigaherz> specially in Java's case, where you can't iterate through the nodes

L1136[16:54:41] <williewillus> either way I think I know the problem but want to see the block class to be sure

L1137[16:54:42] <diesieben07> well, you kinda can with a ListIterator

L1138[16:54:55] <gigaherz> at least in other languages/environments, you have like, ListNode, and then you can .addBefore/.addAfter

L1139[16:55:10] <TechnicianLP> can the defaultstate containe unlistedproperties?

L1140[16:55:21] <williewillus> don't set default values for your unlisted props

L1141[16:55:25] <williewillus> that's what I wanted to see

L1142[16:55:26] <diesieben07> no, you can only create those in getExtendedState

L1143[16:55:57] <williewillus> I ran into the "missing model on reload" problem in botania a while ago and that's because I was setting default values for unlisted props

L1144[16:56:00] <williewillus> so remove that if you're doing it

L1145[16:56:09] <TechnicianLP> ok .. thank you guys ;)

L1146[16:56:23] <TechnicianLP> yeah i was removing random bits ... and after that one it worked

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L1149[16:58:37] <TechnicianLP> but why does that happen?

L1150[17:00:36] <williewillus> the default state is used for serializaiton/synchronization. unlisted props/extended state are only for renderingh

L1151[17:01:11] <TechnicianLP> yeah but why dont they get ignored?

L1152[17:01:22] <williewillus> that means more patches to vanilla :P

L1153[17:01:32] <williewillus> extended states are added by forge

L1154[17:02:22] <Shambling> I think this is possible, but I've got a question. Can a dimension be generated with visible borders, and in addition, can default vanilla behavior be changed per dimension.

L1155[17:02:36] <williewillus> what's "visible borders"

L1156[17:02:49] <Shambling> lets say I want to have a 'smelting' dimension, where furnaces and other blocks that smelt items, generate randomly more product and run faster, i sthat possible

L1157[17:02:57] <Shambling> visible borders: bound by a visible cube

L1158[17:03:00] <Shambling> lets say a skyblock

L1159[17:03:10] <Shambling> can't move outside of set dimensions x,y,z

L1160[17:03:19] <williewillus> i mean you can render a box yourself?

L1161[17:04:00] <TechnicianLP> or place unbreakable blocks

L1162[17:04:01] <Shambling> ok visible limits aren't really important. can you keep a player from moving outside of an area without putting down some sort of unbreakable blocks?

L1163[17:04:14] <Shambling> yeah so unbreakable blocks it probably is then

L1164[17:04:20] <Ordinastie> is that exactly what world borders are ?

L1165[17:04:24] <Ordinastie> *isn't

L1166[17:04:26] <williewillus> yeah :P

L1167[17:04:38] <gigaherz> yep

L1168[17:04:40] <Shambling> I suppose if they are invisible that works fine

L1169[17:04:46] <gigaherz> they are 30 million on each cardinal direction by default

L1170[17:04:50] <Shambling> wait... are world borders a thing?

L1171[17:04:50] <gigaherz> but can be set smaller

L1172[17:04:56] <gigaherz> since like, 1.8

L1173[17:04:59] <Shambling> I thought that was a pocket edition thing, lol

L1174[17:05:13] <Shambling> oh wait no, there is a 1.8 map that has that glowing border.. ooo

L1175[17:05:17] <TechnicianLP> ./worldborder

L1176[17:05:21] <Shambling> sweet, ok

L1177[17:05:32] <gigaherz> yeah the one with the achievements

L1178[17:05:40] <gigaherz> that would giveyou half a block extra each

L1179[17:05:44] <Shambling> can multiple of those exist in the same dimension, seperating each set of chunks, or does it have to be per dimension

L1180[17:05:54] <TechnicianLP> 1/dim

L1181[17:05:56] <gigaherz> one per, I think

L1182[17:05:58] <Shambling> kk

L1183[17:06:03] <gigaherz> I don't even know if other dimensions can have them

L1184[17:06:07] <Shambling> I'm thinking maybe I've got an idea for a magic/tech mod

L1185[17:06:28] <TechnicianLP> all worlds have a manager for that

L1186[17:07:02] <TechnicianLP> World#<init>: this.worldBorder = providerIn.createWorldBorder();

L1187[17:07:10] <Shambling> I'll just need to figure out how to effect tile entities differently depending on dimension

L1188[17:07:31] <Shambling> err affect?

L1189[17:08:32] <TechnicianLP> you could maybe also extend the WorldBorder class (i have no clue how exactly that works though)

L1190[17:08:32] <gigaherz> affect.

L1191[17:09:07] <TechnicianLP> i thin TEs have a world ref

L1192[17:10:11] <Shambling> I'm a very bad artist, are there things like MIT license for textures/texture packs? or should I bribe my brother with energy drinks for texture work

L1193[17:10:23] <gigaherz> Creative Commons

L1194[17:10:37] <gigaherz> CC-BY is similar to MIT/BSD, but for art stuff

L1195[17:10:38] <Shambling> ah so its called creative commons for texture packs/textures. k, cool thanks

L1196[17:10:53] <gigaherz> CC-BY-SA is similar to GPL, but for art stuff

L1197[17:11:02] <Shambling> I just... I work better with textures that aren't purple and black cubes to sketch out ideas

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L1199[17:11:58] <gigaherz> heh

L1200[17:12:05] <gigaherz> my programmer art looks like: https://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/ender-rift

L1201[17:13:27] <Shambling> though technically I think I could get away with no textures for this mod if I was creative

L1202[17:13:43] <Shambling> gigaherz if that isn't art, I don't know what is :P

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L1204[17:14:06] <Shambling> 8 eyeballs on sticks next to an angry nintendo robot

L1205[17:14:31] <gigaherz> wat XD

L1206[17:14:40] <Shambling> must be thinking of a different robot : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.O.B.

L1207[17:14:55] <gigaherz> Shambling: thing is: the base textures for the rift structure, are just iron and redstone

L1208[17:15:05] <gigaherz> and the base texture fort he inventory stuffs, is the hopper one

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L1212[17:26:03] <Abastro> Are there any PG texture generator for MC?

L1213[17:29:32] <gigaherz> I'm not aware

L1214[17:29:39] <gigaherz> but the fun of procedural is making it yourself ;P

L1215[17:30:04] <Shambling> yup

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L1218[17:48:32] <Abastro> :/) okay, I wanted it since I am bad at texture art.

L1219[17:48:51] <Abastro> Maybe it's only me, so I have to do it myself

L1220[17:49:19] <gigaherz> you coudl try asking around?

L1221[17:49:27] <gigaherz> there may be some artist interested in helping you

L1222[17:49:34] <gigaherz> and by around I meant like, in the forums or something

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L1226[17:51:16] <Abastro> I couldn't find someone, it seems that there are too many modders looking for an artist.

L1227[17:51:33] <Abastro> Like games and such.

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L1229[17:52:51] <Kirito> Hm that was weird.

L1230[17:52:57] <Kirito> Wouldn't let me talk, eh.

L1231[17:52:59] <Kirito> Is there a way to draw directly on Minecraft? Eg. adding another "health" bar that's controlled differently

L1232[17:53:06] <gigaherz> what kind of things do you need textures for, Abastro?

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L1234[17:54:06] <Abastro> gigaherz; As normal, blocks, items, and entities.

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L1238[18:02:03] <gigimoi> Anyone know why when running the client from IntelliJ idea it doesn't recognize my gpu/drivers, but gradlew runClient does? This is the log I get from idea: https://hastebin.com/raw/jihowiyoma

L1239[18:02:37] <gigaherz> Kirito: oops I forgot to answer

L1240[18:02:47] <gigaherz> you want the game overlay event

L1241[18:02:57] <gigaherz> gigimoi: problem with latest nvidia drivers

L1242[18:02:59] <Kirito> gigaherz: Not a problem :) Thanks, I'll check it out

L1243[18:03:01] <gigaherz> downgrade to the ones right before that

L1244[18:03:38] <gigaherz> there's a few opengl-based games that have similar issues, not just minecraft

L1245[18:04:12] <gigimoi> I wasn't able to gradlew runClient until I downgraded, this is a different issue.

L1246[18:04:41] <gigaherz> uhm

L1247[18:04:47] <gigaherz> waht version drivers are you on?

L1248[18:05:09] <gigimoi> 376.33

L1249[18:05:13] <gigaherz> 376.33 should work just fine

L1250[18:05:24] <gigaherz> try uninstalling 3d vision

L1251[18:05:29] <gigaherz> or downgrading even further

L1252[18:05:48] <gigaherz> I use 376.33 without 3d vision, and they work fine for me

L1253[18:06:11] <gigimoi> I never installed it, almost certain this is a different issue since I can run it outside of idea no problem.

L1254[18:06:35] <gigaherz> no it isn't

L1255[18:06:55] <gigaherz> it's EXACTLY the same issue I had when I upgraded to 378.49

L1256[18:07:02] <gigaherz> downgrading fixed it for me

L1257[18:07:22] <gigaherz> it MAY have a different cause

L1258[18:07:30] <gigaherz> but it would be quite a bit of a coincidence

L1259[18:07:32] <gigaherz> that for me

L1260[18:07:41] <gigaherz> 378.49 worked in the normal launcher and with runClient

L1261[18:07:48] <gigaherz> but failedwith that exact error in IDEA

L1262[18:09:18] <gigimoi> I'll try downgrading further but I'd be surprised if that's the fix

L1263[18:15:39] <gigaherz> you may want to try restarting IDEa or the entire pc in between

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L1265[18:16:15] <gigimoi> I'll give restarting my pc a try, restarted idea and no change after downgrading to 376.19

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L1276[18:40:28] <Disconsented> Double checking: Stand alone potion effects don't need to have anything done with them do they?

L1277[18:40:43] <williewillus> what does "stand alone" mean

L1278[18:40:45] <Disconsented> I.E. Register

L1279[18:40:51] <Disconsented> Potion effects without a potion

L1280[18:40:59] <williewillus> that makes no sense

L1281[18:41:05] <williewillus> PotionEffect = Potion + time

L1282[18:41:08] <williewillus> + amplifier

L1283[18:41:17] <williewillus> are you talking about PotionType?

L1284[18:41:33] <williewillus> PotionType is the stuff you brew and put on arrows

L1285[18:42:00] <Disconsented> I mean a Potion then and that also answers my question

L1286[18:42:13] <williewillus> Potions need to be registered

L1287[18:42:17] <williewillus> and PotionTypes do as well

L1288[18:42:34] <williewillus> PotionEffect is just a Potion + two numbers so it doesn't make sense to register those

L1289[18:42:54] <A1b3> Is it worth time to develop mc mods, or I should stop it when I lose my interest on MC?

L1290[18:43:07] <williewillus> that question is 100% on you to answer for yourself :P

L1291[18:43:21] <williewillus> you're the only one who knows your own time's worth

L1292[18:44:37] <A1b3> Thanks :D

L1293[18:44:56] <gigaherz> I earn like, $100 every 3 months ;P

L1294[18:45:02] <gigaherz> it's not very lucrative

L1295[18:45:11] <williewillus> i mean not just financially

L1296[18:45:20] <williewillus> some modders don't play much any more but they still like making the mod itself

L1297[18:45:28] <williewillus> so it all depends on what you like to do

L1298[18:45:43] <gigaherz> yeah that's why I keep modding

L1299[18:45:48] <gigaherz> not because I enjoy playing what I mod

L1300[18:45:55] <gigaherz> but becauseI enjoy seeing other people enjoy my mods

L1301[18:47:27] <A1b3> So it's independent with actually playing MC?

L1302[18:48:25] <gigimoi> gigaherz I did a clean install of 376.33 and I'm good now, not sure if I did something wrong when I downgraded. Thanks

L1303[18:50:21] <gigaherz> heh

L1304[18:50:22] <gigaherz> np

L1305[18:51:10] <A1b3> One of the problem was that cost per work keeps decreasing.

L1306[18:52:03] <A1b3> *earning per work

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L1308[18:53:06] <gigaherz> "oh so making axes is independent from being a lumberjack?"

L1309[18:53:18] <gigaherz> yes ofc.

L1310[18:53:36] <gigaherz> modders usually enjoy playing mc, but often don't have time to do both ;P

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L1312[18:55:30] <A1b3> I see.

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L1314[18:57:10] <A1b3> It seems that earning decreases very slowly with occasional updates, while earning per work decreases faster.

L1315[18:57:42] <gigaherz> if you are looking at modding JUST for the money

L1316[18:57:47] <gigaherz> you are probably doing it wrong.

L1317[18:57:51] <gigaherz> there's jobs that pay quite a lot more

L1318[18:58:03] <A1b3> Well, I'm definitely not.

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L1320[19:00:25] <A1b3> The earning I said includes the interest it gets and the satisfaction it gives.

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L1349[20:14:33] <LexMobile> If you're in modding to make money sod off

L1350[20:14:48] <LexMobile> If you are in it because you enjoy it then have at it

L1351[20:14:56] <LexMobile> If you stop enjoying it sod off

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L1354[20:28:50] <Akkarin> What if I'm in it for the hugs? :o

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L1356[20:33:59] <LexMobile> Then you go to cons, and find out that the hugs are more then you expected.

L1357[20:34:09] <tterrag> speaking of cons

L1358[20:34:10] <tterrag> :C

L1359[20:34:34] <LexMobile> This community has a inappropriate amount of touching at cons :p

L1360[20:35:10] <tterrag> being on wisdom tooth surgery recovery makes looking at all the food that much worse ;_;

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L1362[20:38:21] <Akkarin> inappropriate amount of hugs? there is no such thing!

L1363[20:42:27] <williewillus> tterrag: did you just get it done? :P

L1364[20:42:32] <tterrag> williewillus: tuesday

L1365[20:42:43] <tterrag> still can't really eat anything though

L1366[20:43:12] <williewillus> yeah i couldn't go back to normal food for about 1-1.5 weeks, sucks :P

L1367[20:43:53] <tterrag> I've heard up to 2. here's hoping it's faster

L1368[20:44:49] <tterrag> how long ago was yours?

L1369[20:45:26] <williewillus> 3 weeks, I'm basically back to normal now

L1370[20:45:58] <tterrag> oh wow, that recently

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L1373[20:52:57] <gigimoi> What's the best way to override in-hand item rendering these days? With a fbx/obj/etc model, not this weird json format.

L1374[20:53:15] <williewillus> in-hand is no different than anywhere else?

L1375[20:53:29] <williewillus> give an example of what you mean

L1376[20:53:34] <williewillus> also the json format is extremely simple :P

L1377[20:53:44] <Scorp> I grabbed actually additions to test my mod with. What is the 'CF' power they use? Never heard of it?

L1378[20:53:59] <gigimoi> I want to render a makehuman model inhand

L1379[20:54:11] <williewillus> Scorp: probably their own internal sys

L1380[20:54:13] <gigimoi> the json format doesn't quite work for that :p

L1381[20:54:16] <williewillus> gigimoi: I don't know what that is

L1382[20:54:33] <gigimoi> it generates a fairly realistic human model

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L1384[20:54:51] <williewillus> okay I don't see how this has to do specifically with the hand

L1385[20:54:56] <williewillus> the model loader loads models for all perpsectives

L1386[20:55:23] <Scorp> williewillus, I thought they'd use RF?

L1387[20:55:29] <tterrag> RF is dead

L1388[20:55:35] <williewillus> (or it should be)

L1389[20:55:36] <gigimoi> I'm going to need a little more handholding than that unfortunately

L1390[20:55:44] <tterrag> it's never even technically been ported past 1.7

L1391[20:55:48] <gigimoi> wtf rf is dead how long was I asleep

L1392[20:55:52] <tterrag> *every* RF implementation on 1.8+ is unofficial

L1393[20:56:01] <williewillus> gigimoi: so what is the format of the model you want to load

L1394[20:56:19] <gigimoi> It's an fbx

L1395[20:56:22] <tterrag> gigimoi: forge can natively load .obj and .b3d by just pointing to them

L1396[20:56:28] <tterrag> fbx is a no, you'd have to convert it

L1397[20:56:34] <Scorp> I may try with the minecraft forge equivalent. Is it just as easy to implement?

L1398[20:56:43] <gigimoi> Converting to .obj is fine

L1399[20:56:54] <tterrag> Scorp: I assume you mean FE, in which case yes

L1400[20:58:11] <williewillus> Scorp: actually additions uses FE internally

L1401[20:58:19] <Scorp> Hrm ok. I may try to use that then

L1402[20:58:29] <williewillus> it just displays the meters as "RF" or "Tesla" to make people feel better

L1403[20:58:29] <williewillus> :P

L1404[20:58:30] <Scorp> any docs on it?

L1405[20:58:48] <williewillus> the interface itself + any documentation on capabilities

L1406[21:00:12] <Scorp> Whats the thing I need to implement

L1407[21:00:38] <williewillus> are you familiar with the capability system?

L1408[21:01:28] <Scorp> No

L1409[21:01:33] <williewillus> if not read this: https://gist.github.com/williewillus/c8dc2a1e7963b57ef436c699f25a710d or this: https://mcforge.readthedocs.io/en/latest/datastorage/capabilities/

L1410[21:01:50] <Scorp> Currently I have it working with the cofh api implementing Ienergyhandler etc

L1411[21:03:07] <williewillus> yeah so the idea is you decouple the interface implementations from the tile/item/entity. instead of implementing a million interfaces on the TE, the TE holds onto implementations of the interfaces internally (kinda like a component system). the articles should make it clear

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L1413[21:05:22] <LexMobile> Meant to say a large amount of inappropriate hugs

L1414[21:05:33] <Scorp> Hrm, not sure I understand but ok :P

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L1417[21:06:30] <williewillus> Scorp: so for example if you had an inventory, instead of treating the TE itself like an inventory, you ask the TE "do you have an inventory?" and the TE gives you an object back

L1418[21:06:51] <williewillus> it just helps decouple things

L1419[21:07:03] <tterrag> why am I even looking at twitter

L1420[21:07:04] <Scorp> Hrm ok

L1421[21:07:20] <Scorp> tterrag, Why not?

L1422[21:07:27] <tterrag> because it's just pictures of food

L1423[21:07:33] <tterrag> sprinkled with politics rants

L1424[21:07:36] <williewillus> lol

L1425[21:07:39] <tterrag> neither of which I want right now

L1426[21:08:08] <Scorp> tterrag, Politics on twitter is just depressing me too now :P

L1427[21:08:09] <Scorp> williewillus, So how do I get the energy thing implemented or the other method

L1428[21:08:18] <williewillus> did you read the whole article already wow :P

L1429[21:09:00] <Scorp> I skipped over parts

L1430[21:09:20] <williewillus> so when I say "the Capability Interface is IEnergyStorage" you know what to do from here?

L1431[21:09:42] <Scorp> I can try to work it out

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L1433[21:10:10] <williewillus> see, in my gist, the "Making things have a capability" section

L1434[21:10:17] <williewillus> and also the "terminology" section at the top

L1435[21:13:44] <Scorp> I think i will try to implement method first to just get it working then do the other thing later

L1436[21:13:53] <williewillus> ?

L1437[21:14:03] <Scorp> If you can do it that way

L1438[21:14:11] <williewillus> what way?

L1439[21:14:16] <Scorp> Just implement it

L1440[21:14:20] <williewillus> no, you can't do that

L1441[21:14:23] <Scorp> ah k :P

L1442[21:14:55] <williewillus> or, you're "allowed to" but nothing would recognize it

L1443[21:15:24] <williewillus> read the articles through more slowly and I think it should become more intuitive

L1444[21:16:49] <Scorp> any example code I can see instead?

L1445[21:16:58] <tterrag> no

L1446[21:17:52] <Scorp> :(

L1447[21:18:40] <tterrag> understand, don't copy

L1448[21:21:06] <Scorp> I better learn from looking at it rather than docs imo

L1449[21:21:33] <williewillus> well the doc establishes the base terminology

L1450[21:21:36] <williewillus> and ideas

L1451[21:21:57] <williewillus> the actual code behind it should be nothing (override 2 methods and construct 1 object in FE's case)

L1452[21:22:13] <Scorp> hrm k

L1453[21:22:45] <Scorp> I'll try to implement tomoro, I got to go now. Thanks for help :)

L1454[21:22:51] <williewillus> np

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