OCLogs: 2017-01-23.log

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L8[00:36:34] <KklyAq> arent entity data parameters persisted?

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L18[01:27:16] <Falconerd> o/

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L21[01:29:31] <bjorguv> could someone explain to me what an itemstack is ?

L22[01:31:10] <killjoy> it contains what item it is, how much, any metadata, and nbt

L23[01:32:19] <bjorguv> are items and item stacks separate things?

L24[01:32:24] <killjoy> yes

L25[01:32:30] <killjoy> items are (for the most part) singleton

L26[01:33:33] <mezz> the division between the two is a bit blurry because of the way meta and nbt are used to represent sub-items

L27[01:33:52] <bjorguv> I don’t know what singleton means

L28[01:34:06] <killjoy> one instance

L29[01:34:11] <mezz> a singleton object is unique, there is only one of it

L30[01:34:39] <bjorguv> did you guys take java classes?

L31[01:34:55] <killjoy> I took intro to java a few years ago. I already knew everything they "taught" me

L32[01:35:15] <mezz> I definitely knew java before starting with modding

L33[01:35:25] <killjoy> I learned most by modding

L34[01:35:33] <killjoy> e.g. I created a simple bukkit plugin

L35[01:35:41] <bjorguv> oh I just started a few weeks ago I notice everytime I talk to someone about it I have to google half the words they say to me lol

L36[01:35:51] <mezz> modding is not a good way to learn the basics. once you have the basics, like from an intro class, it will be easier

L37[01:36:02] <killjoy> stackexchange is the greatest website you'll ever use

L38[01:36:20] <bjorguv> yea i’ve noticed that modding minecraft is not great for learning java

L39[01:36:25] <killjoy> except for javascript. They always suggest jQuery

L40[01:37:01] <bjorguv> I was just too hasty to make a mod

L41[01:37:07] <bjorguv> didn’t go about it properly

L42[01:37:19] <killjoy> I didn't fully understand what an object is before I started

L43[01:37:28] <killjoy> though I didn't start from scratch.

L44[01:37:28] <mezz> modded minecraft has a lot of strange things, so if you want to learn about something like "ItemStack" there is a pyramid of other more basic stuff to understand first

L45[01:37:43] <fry> nobody understands what an object is :P

L46[01:37:46] <killjoy> I suggest maybe forking a mod.

L47[01:38:12] <bjorguv> i’ve looked at a few tbh didn’t help very much

L48[01:38:30] <killjoy> what do you know?

L49[01:38:47] <bjorguv> uh not sure how to answer that

L50[01:39:09] <bjorguv> not alot I guess

L51[01:39:10] <killjoy> basics to me is variables, fields, methods, classes, objects.

L52[01:39:19] <killjoy> Do you know anything from the jre?

L53[01:39:25] <killjoy> utility classes

L54[01:39:31] <killjoy> e.g. List, Map, etc

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L56[01:40:55] <bjorguv> oh no not really I know about pretty much all variables, don’t know what fields are, I am familiar with methods, classes yes kinda, objects no

L57[01:41:21] <killjoy> a field is a variable with class scope

L58[01:41:37] <killjoy> e.g. class A {B thing;}

L59[01:42:55] <mezz> you really should find some starter tutorials, IRC is not the more efficient way to learn those things heh

L60[01:42:58] <fry> (if you don't mind some light reading: https://docs.oracle.com/javase/specs/jls/se8/jls8.pdf )

L61[01:43:20] <bjorguv> lmao.

L62[01:43:27] <killjoy> after you master the jre, tackle guava and apache libs

L63[01:44:48] <bjorguv> should I do all this stuff on notepad or something?

L64[01:44:56] <killjoy> you CAN.

L65[01:45:02] <killjoy> But that doesn't mean you should

L66[01:45:15] <fry> https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/

L67[01:45:24] <bjorguv> I have intellij

L68[01:45:30] <killjoy> as long as you understand the basic structure, go ahead and use an IDE

L69[01:45:47] <killjoy> otherwise it will confuse you more than help you

L70[01:45:58] <bjorguv> yea I think starting to learn java in forge environment is what really confused me

L71[01:47:00] <bjorguv> were you like fluent in java before you started modding?

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L73[01:52:57] <mezz> yes, enough to navigate the minecraft and forge code and read it to figure it out

L74[01:53:37] <bjorguv> I don’t get what do I code to practice java did you have any helpful tools to do it?

L75[01:54:12] <mezz> I had many classes in college that required java, so I picked it up then while doing assignments

L76[01:55:06] <mezz> the way you are learning now will get you there eventually, it's just not very efficient for starting out

L77[01:55:12] <mezz> taking a class or an online class is a good idea

L78[01:56:11] <mezz> once you have the basics, your ability to look things up online and learn on your own will still be very important

L79[01:57:32] <bjorguv> yea I really need an environment where I can practice with structure but I can’t really afford classes do you know of any free like self tought courses?

L80[01:58:46] <mezz> I have seen people recommend this site. I can't say I recommend it since I've never tried it though. https://www.codecademy.com/learn/learn-java

L81[01:58:57] <bjorguv> oh yea already completed

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L83[01:59:16] <killjoy> you just need to learn the utils

L84[01:59:20] <bjorguv> maybe i’ll do it again

L85[01:59:22] <killjoy> java.util.list

L86[01:59:34] <bjorguv> yea but hard to learn without applying

L87[01:59:37] <mezz> this looks promising as well https://www.learnjavaonline.org/

L88[02:00:03] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Pushing snapshot_20170123 mappings to Forge Maven.

L89[02:00:12] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Maven upload successful for mcp_snapshot-20170123-1.11.zip (mappings = "snapshot_20170123" in build.gradle).

L90[02:00:18] <killjoy> just remember. never do for (int i = 0; i < 5; i++)

L91[02:00:28] <killjoy> um

L92[02:00:33] <mezz> killjoy, ... what?

L93[02:00:42] <killjoy> I'm um.

L94[02:00:48] <MCPBot_Reborn> Semi-live (every 10 min), Snapshot (daily ~3:00 EST), and Stable (committed) MCPBot mapping exports can be found here: http://export.mcpbot.bspk.rs/

L95[02:01:34] <bjorguv> mezz I’ll do that tomorrow ty :D

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L97[02:06:32] <killjoy> I was trying to remember this.

L98[02:06:33] <killjoy> https://i.redd.it/3e5madxh4way.png

L99[02:07:26] <bjorguv> lmao

L100[02:08:06] <bjorguv> omg

L101[02:08:10] <bjorguv> found an awesome website

L102[02:08:22] <bjorguv> anyone used ktbyte>

L103[02:08:23] <bjorguv> ?

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L110[03:05:08] <Barteks2x> Why I have so weird problems... IDEA and <whatever compiler idea uses> are not in sync with libraries. IDEA says library is there, but when I try to compile, it shows error that it's not there

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L113[03:14:10] <Barteks2x> I just want to run a simple thing, and IDEA can't decide if my dependency is there or not

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L117[03:43:45] <Falconerd> Does anyone know of any good minecraft texture tutorials? The art side, not programming side

L118[03:44:09] <Falconerd> I've found a few, just wondering if there are more well known ones

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L121[04:03:24] <Tencao> When dealing with mobs, whats the difference between armor and armor toughness

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L129[04:26:48] <Naiten> So, I was trying to rewrite passenger handling for my entity to allow several passengers but ended up at a strange bug

L130[04:27:02] <Naiten> it takes two clicks to mount... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WczgNWg4zy4

L131[04:27:20] <Naiten> can't figure it out

L132[04:41:46] <Tencao> Try adding some log outputs to figure out what part isn't triggering

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L140[05:16:34] <Naiten> welp, somehow the client does not get the player to ride the loc

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L144[05:35:51] <Naiten> uh

L145[05:35:59] <Naiten> fixed one bug and discovered another

L146[05:36:26] <Ashindigo_> thats programming for you

L147[05:37:20] <Naiten> controls are screwed up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA7Lnvt9jkM

L148[05:38:06] <Naiten> i press keys while on the footplate which should not affect controls, but when I mount the cab, they got switched...

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L150[06:00:09] <DaMachinator> Falconerd: if you're still here, is there any specific thing you need help with?

L151[06:00:34] <Falconerd> Hey, not really

L152[06:00:45] <Falconerd> I think I just need to apply pixel art rules

L153[06:00:48] <Falconerd> it's just weird in 3d

L154[06:00:52] <DaMachinator> I did find some resources for you:

L155[06:00:53] <DaMachinator> http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Model

L156[06:01:03] <Falconerd> ah, thnak you

L157[06:01:05] <Falconerd> thank*

L158[06:01:32] <Falconerd> this page is going to be useful

L159[06:01:34] <DaMachinator> that's not all

L160[06:01:48] <DaMachinator> that explains the JSON format

L161[06:02:36] <DaMachinator> http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/resource-packs/resource-pack-discussion/1256366-the-all-inclusive-updated-guide-to-texturing

L162[06:03:14] <DaMachinator> this explains how to make a resource pack (useful for testing art for mods, esp. if you are not the one coding it)

L163[06:03:23] <Falconerd> awesome

L164[06:03:47] <DaMachinator> there is also this tutorial for animated textures: http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/resource-packs/resource-pack-discussion/1256350-animation-in-resource-packs-a-minecraft-1-6

L165[06:04:22] <DaMachinator> which explains not only standard animated textures but fluid textures and the clock texture as well

L166[06:04:30] <Falconerd> nice

L167[06:04:39] <DaMachinator> it is written for resource packs but the information applies to regular mods

L168[06:05:23] <DaMachinator> Not really art, but there is also this tool I made for making localizations for large groups of similarly named objects:

L169[06:05:24] <DaMachinator> https://damachinator.github.io/localizer/LocalizationGenerator.html

L170[06:06:36] <DaMachinator> Documentation on Forge's extensions to the blockstate JSON's: http://mcforge.readthedocs.io/en/latest/blockstates/forgeBlockstates/

L171[06:06:50] <Falconerd> ahh, that tool is pretty cool

L172[06:07:12] <DaMachinator> and forge's explanation of the vanilla blockstate jsons: http://mcforge.readthedocs.io/en/latest/blockstates/introduction/

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L174[06:08:13] <DaMachinator> A word of warning: the script will freeze your browser when you run it as i haven't figured out how to get it to run asynchronously

L175[06:08:34] <Falconerd> you mean if you put in a long list?

L176[06:08:38] <DaMachinator> yes

L177[06:08:41] <Falconerd> so it's blocking

L178[06:08:45] <Falconerd> that's alright

L179[06:08:53] <DaMachinator> it is clientside-only JavaScript

L180[06:09:05] <DaMachinator> so if the script runs a long time, your browser might get upset

L181[06:09:36] <DaMachinator> I used it to generate localizations for 20-30 sets of tools and armor

L182[06:10:30] <DaMachinator> that is all the materials i found on how to make textures for mods

L183[06:10:37] <Falconerd> thanks, appreciate it

L184[06:10:50] <DaMachinator> the rest is more up to your skill as an artist and the tools you have :)

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L187[06:15:12] <Naiten> i press keys while in the secondary seat of the entity, which terminates all the key handling, they I enter the main seat and all keys are fired again...

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L189[06:24:27] <Naiten> maybe i'm doing the keybinding wrong?

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L192[07:03:16] <DaMachinator> is there a way a tile entity can call a method immediately upon being placed?

L193[07:05:07] <diesieben07> onBlockAdded on your block is called whenever setBlockState is called with your block

L194[07:06:06] <DaMachinator> so override that method with whatever code I want to call?

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L196[07:06:57] <diesieben07> yep

L197[07:07:15] <DaMachinator> should I call super.onBlockAdded() as well?

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L199[07:09:26] <diesieben07> depends :P

L200[07:13:13] <DaMachinator> how horribly unperformant is it to search for all blocks of a type within a cube with side length 16m?

L201[07:14:56] <diesieben07> depends on how often you do it :P

L202[07:17:13] <DaMachinator> hopefully only once, when the block is placed

L203[07:17:55] <DaMachinator> hmm

L204[07:18:15] <DaMachinator> is there a way to store world data independently of any single block?

L205[07:18:37] <diesieben07> then it's fine

L206[07:18:47] <diesieben07> and you want WorldSavedData, the documentation has an article on it

L207[07:21:52] <DaMachinator> is there a size limit on WorldSavedData

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L209[07:23:10] <diesieben07> the file system :P

L210[07:23:16] <diesieben07> or... well, the RAM

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L212[07:25:20] <DaMachinator> ok...

L213[07:25:51] <DaMachinator> TileEntity does not appear to have any onBlockAdded

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L215[07:29:07] <DaMachinator> ah, it belongs to Block

L216[07:30:52] * DaMachinator is frustrated

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L230[08:40:12] <TechnicianLP> is there a way to rotate a model before baking it?

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L232[08:42:22] <diesieben07> you should be able to pass in a TRSRTransformation as the IModelState for bake

L233[08:43:08] <TechnicianLP> rotating on y axis: http://imgur.com/a/vMI6D .... (who flipped my model??)

L234[08:43:31] <TechnicianLP> its lit from underneath if i rotate it 90/270 degrees

L235[08:44:08] <diesieben07> don't ask me :P

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L237[08:53:46] <TechnicianLP> weird ... ModelRotation.X0_Y90 works

L238[08:54:48] <masa> where does the spectator mode player head rendering happen? I can't find where it checks whether or not to render the ghastly head :/

L239[08:55:41] <TechnicianLP> could be near the one for scoreboard-teams

L240[08:55:55] <masa> or to avoid xy problems, I want to render a fake/virtual player head in the same way

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L242[09:00:22] <masa> ah found it...

L243[09:00:54] <masa> RenderLivingBase.renderModel() has the checks

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L248[09:27:35] <DaMachinator> What do you override to make a model transparent?

L249[09:28:58] <DaMachinator> I have this somewhat amusing problem: http://u.tylian.net/V71PLF

L250[09:32:25] <Ivorius> bspkrs: The mcp website is down... ish

L251[09:32:30] <Ivorius> No styles load for me

L252[09:38:39] <Koward> When is the best time/event to change the SharedMonsterAttributes.MAX_HEALTH of an entity ?

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L256[09:53:32] <TechnicianLP> DaMachinator: Block#isFullCube controls culling and isOpaqueCube controls transparency of texxtures

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L263[10:46:13] <Barteks2x> anyone knows how could I get my library to be in some public maven repository?

L264[10:46:54] <Barteks2x> submodules are a bit too annoying

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L266[10:54:05] <kashike> Barteks2x: for SNAPSHOTs: host your own, or find someone who will let you use yours

L267[10:54:10] <kashike> for RELEASE: you can use sonatype-oss

L268[10:54:21] <kashike> http://central.sonatype.org/pages/ossrh-guide.html

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L270[10:55:43] <Barteks2x> The way I handle versions is incompatible with what maven expects

L271[10:56:03] <Barteks2x> (no snapshots)

L272[10:56:23] <kashike> ...why deviate from the standard?

L273[10:56:59] <Barteks2x> because the standard means that early development builds of everything that depends on the library will break when I update the snapshot

L274[10:57:45] <Barteks2x> if I used snapshots now, my mod wouldn't build right now

L275[10:58:28] <Barteks2x> But I also completely disagree with the whole idea of snapshots

L276[10:58:49] <diesieben07> snapshot doesn't mean you can never change the version...

L277[10:59:19] <diesieben07> snapshots are not for "stuff in alpha", they are pre-releases for a version

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L279[10:59:28] <Barteks2x> snapshot means that a single version number will change as I update it

L280[10:59:51] <Barteks2x> so how stuff very early in development should be ahndled?

L281[11:00:30] <diesieben07> version number < 1.0 is what i would do

L282[11:00:36] <diesieben07> snapshot means it can change

L283[11:00:37] <diesieben07> http://stackoverflow.com/a/5901460/3638966

L284[11:00:44] <Barteks2x> with shapshor or not?

L285[11:00:47] <Barteks2x> *snapshot

L286[11:01:02] <diesieben07> if you have something depend on it and don't want it to break, don't use snapshots.

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L288[11:01:28] <diesieben07> that's the idea, if you depend on a snapshot, things can break. if you depend on something thats not a snapshot, things cannot break because you cannot change non-snapshot versions

L289[11:01:47] <Barteks2x> that's why I disagree with snapshots, because they can break builds that already work

L290[11:02:06] <diesieben07> well, if you depedn on a snapshot thats your own fault

L291[11:02:11] <diesieben07> it's a pre-release. subject to change.

L292[11:02:18] <diesieben07> for people to look at and try out. not rely on.

L293[11:02:53] <Barteks2x> except that I still see 2 libraries I depend on that are snapshots since forever

L294[11:02:59] <Barteks2x> for no good reason

L295[11:03:05] <diesieben07> then they are using snapshots wrong.

L296[11:04:14] <Barteks2x> And even when it's used for development, it means that old development builds will break

L297[11:04:36] <Barteks2x> I really see no reasonable way to use snapshots, ever

L298[11:04:53] <diesieben07> to try out the new version. experimenting with it.

L299[11:04:58] <diesieben07> not to use it for development.

L300[11:05:25] <Barteks2x> but then there are things you need that are still snapshots

L301[11:05:30] <Barteks2x> and there is no way around it

L302[11:05:33] <ghz|afk> yes

L303[11:05:37] <ghz|afk> and your snapshots may depend on them

L304[11:05:41] <ghz|afk> just not your releases

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L306[11:06:11] <Barteks2x> but that means that when I want to build the shapshot build that compiled 2 months ago, it may or may not build

L307[11:06:17] <gigaherz> yup

L308[11:06:27] <gigaherz> unless you can get the same exact snapshot

L309[11:06:32] <diesieben07> that is what snapshot means... subject to change

L310[11:06:43] <diesieben07> change means things might no longer work.

L311[11:06:46] <gigaherz> which is why some build systems create date-coded snapshots

L312[11:06:47] <gigaherz> ;P

L313[11:07:06] <gigaherz> (like the mcp mappings)

L314[11:07:41] <Barteks2x> Currently I don't have snapshots at all but I should probably change it. I just have version number generated from output of git describe, so each commit has unique verison number

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L318[11:12:09] <Barteks2x> And now I just have contradicting information, shouls snapshots be used for development build or not?

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L322[11:13:15] <diesieben07> true development builds shouldn't even be on a public maven repo

L323[11:15:06] <Barteks2x> but that doesn't mean the same code should once build and then not build one month later

L324[11:15:32] <diesieben07> ???

L325[11:15:39] <Barteks2x> and that's what happens when you depend on snapshots for development builds

L326[11:16:24] <Barteks2x> even when it's used only with libraries I control

L327[11:16:32] <diesieben07> well if you intend to rely on it (which is implied by wanting to build the thing unchanged a month later) then you do not want a development build OR a snapshot.

L328[11:16:37] <diesieben07> you want a stable version.

L329[11:16:39] <g> Use stable dependencies for stable builds

L330[11:16:43] <g> that's why they exist

L331[11:16:44] <g> they're stable

L332[11:16:57] <g> if you're doing super beta dev builds then you can use whatever the hell you want

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L334[11:17:48] <Barteks2x> So is it just me being stupid that I want things like git bisect to actually work and not break because snapshots?

L335[11:18:39] <g> git bisect is for very specific things

L336[11:18:55] <g> you won't even need it unless you have such a huge project that you can't keep track of any of your code

L337[11:19:00] <diesieben07> and also... git has nothing to do with the release of your project

L338[11:19:18] <diesieben07> whether you release a snapshot, a stable version or whatever, git doesn't give two shits...

L339[11:19:24] <diesieben07> git cares about your commits.

L340[11:19:36] <g> right

L341[11:19:42] <Barteks2x> I just can't explain what I think in a good way...

L342[11:19:58] <g> but you shouldn't need bisect

L343[11:20:35] <g> because once you know that a bug exists, tracking it down is almost always easier than binary-searching commits

L344[11:20:43] <Barteks2x> why even use something like git with full histoory if code from week ago may or may not compile at all?

L345[11:21:00] <g> git's purpose is not to ensure old code can compile

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L347[11:21:21] <g> it is a version control system, it allows you to look at the tree of commits whenever you want

L348[11:21:26] <g> you can tag off your commits

L349[11:21:36] <g> when you push a commit, you describe it, making it obvious what you were doing

L350[11:21:45] <Barteks2x> I hate the world

L351[11:21:46] <g> not only does that make it easier for you to track your own progress

L352[11:21:59] <g> but it means that other people working on the same project can see what you did without reading your code

L353[11:22:05] <g> also, it handles stuff like merge conflicts for you

L354[11:22:12] <g> that's the point of git: organisation

L355[11:22:28] <g> you can track whatever you like under git too, it doesn't have to be code

L356[11:22:37] <Barteks2x> that's why I said "with full hostory". What is the point of keeping it if it probably won't work anyway?

L357[11:22:41] <g> git doesn't care about the content of what it tracks, aside from deciding how to store it

L358[11:22:50] <g> because you can always go back and see what you, or someone else, did

L359[11:22:57] <g> it's an accountability thing

L360[11:23:22] <g> it's also convenient because you can synchronise it with a server easily, and it'll deal with merge conflicts (which something like, eg, dropbox won't)

L361[11:23:59] <g> https://www.quora.com/What-is-git-and-why-should-I-use-it

L362[11:24:38] <g> some other useful things you gain from having history

L363[11:24:45] <g> let's say you have a 1.7.10 branch and a 1.10.2 branch

L364[11:24:50] <g> and you write some code that could apply to both

L365[11:25:08] <g> instead of manually copying files over, you can make your changes on one branch and cherry-pick them over to your other one

L366[11:25:45] <Barteks2x> so going back to what I actually want to do. I have a little library for reading and writing region files. All I wanted it to have it in some maven repository so I don't need to deal with submodules, but in a way that avoids breaking everythign that depends on it when I update...

L367[11:25:46] <g> keeping history is also necessary for rebasing code, in the event that you need to take two branches and merge them back in for example

L368[11:26:01] <g> oh, well that's easy

L369[11:26:02] <g> versioning

L370[11:26:36] <g> once you have the maven server you're pushing to set up, increment your version whenever you change something significant

L371[11:26:58] <Barteks2x> almost every change in it is significant...

L372[11:27:06] <g> then update your version number

L373[11:27:14] <g> https://github.com/dbrock/semver-howto

L374[11:27:21] <g> use semver, you'll find it probably suits quite well

L375[11:28:19] <g> you can also do stuff like deprecation

L376[11:28:25] <g> but versioning is very important

L377[11:28:38] <Barteks2x> What I use is based on semver but automated, and my initial poitn was that it's a bit incompatible with snapshots

L378[11:28:47] <g> well, no, not really

L379[11:28:50] <g> snapshots are still versioned

L380[11:29:05] <Barteks2x> my version numbers are generated from git describe output

L381[11:29:17] <g> OK, so that's the first thing you need to stop doing

L382[11:29:29] <Barteks2x> why...

L383[11:29:39] <g> because commit hashes don't make for friendly versioning

L384[11:29:47] <Barteks2x> and I don;t use hashes

L385[11:29:56] <Barteks2x> I have tags like "v0"

L386[11:30:06] <g> Ok, that works too

L387[11:30:17] <g> but then you will have to discipline yourself

L388[11:30:24] <g> so that if there is a breaking change, you _must_ increment

L389[11:31:02] <g> again, I'm going to recommend semver because the numbers have a well-understood meaning

L390[11:31:17] <g> but the numbering system you use is up to you, as long as you stick with it

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L392[11:31:33] <Barteks2x> it is based on semver, but using output from git describe

L393[11:31:44] <g> it's not semver if you only have one digit

L394[11:31:56] <g> like I say, it works, but you have to increment

L395[11:32:03] <g> after that, maven will take care of it

L396[11:32:07] <Barteks2x> v0 is from tag, second digit is from describe, third digit if from gradle.properties

L397[11:32:16] <g> Why are you making it so complicated?

L398[11:32:50] <gigaherz> why notm ake the tag v0.1.2 and let describe just do its job? ;P

L399[11:32:53] <Barteks2x> because I don't like manually increasing version numbers

L400[11:33:01] <g> you're going to have to do that

L401[11:33:03] <g> that's.. life

L402[11:33:04] <g> :P

L403[11:33:12] <diesieben07> programs can't know if you made a breaking change

L404[11:33:21] <Barteks2x> so the way I have it, I onl need to increase major version numbers

L405[11:33:25] <diesieben07> so there is no way around it :P

L406[11:33:26] <g> you can make it easier for yourself by having a single file with it in though, and have everything else pull from that

L407[11:33:39] <g> probably a properties file

L408[11:34:27] <Barteks2x> and my initial question was just how can I gte it into maven repository

L409[11:34:28] <g> but yeah, if you think this is going to be a problem then you will have to be disciplined enough to do that

L410[11:34:36] <Barteks2x> but answer was different for snapshots and non-snaoshots

L411[11:34:37] <g> okay, well, you need to find a maven repo that will allow you to do that

L412[11:34:40] <g> yes, well

L413[11:34:46] <g> a lot of people use sonatype

L414[11:34:48] <Barteks2x> and for me the difference is blurred

L415[11:34:58] <g> because you can upload snapshots there without verification

L416[11:35:05] <gigaherz> yo ucan script it ;P

L417[11:35:11] <g> but to upload releases and push to maven central, you've gotta verify

L418[11:35:15] <g> the alternative is of course to run your own server

L419[11:35:23] <g> I've seen people run maven servers off of git as well but I don't really recommend that

L420[11:35:37] <gigaherz> release_snapshot.sh, release_patch.sh, release_minor.sh, release_major.sh

L421[11:35:48] <gigaherz> that updates the version file and initiates the build process

L422[11:35:49] <gigaherz> ;P

L423[11:35:56] <g> yep, could do that

L424[11:36:00] <Barteks2x> I remember whn I was writing bukkit plugin I made a very dirty hack: I used github repository as maven repository. Is that even allowed O.o?

L425[11:36:07] <g> you can do that

L426[11:36:11] <g> but it's not what github was designed for

L427[11:36:13] <gigaherz> maven is just a http webserver

L428[11:36:13] <g> and it won't perform well

L429[11:36:16] <gigaherz> with a certain folder structure

L430[11:36:31] <Barteks2x> well, it only contained a cutsom version of a maven plugin

L431[11:36:32] <g> there are popular projects that github has resource limiters on because they did that

L432[11:36:44] <g> but you probably won't have to worry

L433[11:37:06] <gigaherz> it's not so hard to setup a system on a web hosting service

L434[11:37:12] <Barteks2x> so I will try to use sonatype then

L435[11:37:13] <g> gigaherz is right, yeah, you can deploy to a local folder and then shove it up with git or some web host

L436[11:37:30] <gigaherz> g: in my case, I uplaod through sftp to my website

L437[11:37:31] <gigaherz> ;P

L438[11:37:35] <g> yeah, you can do that

L439[11:37:39] <g> we use archiva over at glowstone

L440[11:37:45] <g> used to use sonatype nexus but it broke

L441[11:37:46] <Barteks2x> so right, I do I need my own hosting or not?

L442[11:37:53] <g> not technicall,y no

L443[11:38:14] <g> if you want maven to upload your jars, then you can use sonatype

L444[11:38:27] <gigaherz> you can ask for permission to use the minecraftforge maven, too

L445[11:38:28] <gigaherz> ;P

L446[11:38:29] <g> if you don't care about that, you can use git or sftp it up to some webhost

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L448[11:38:48] <diesieben07> i used sftp on a webhost, works like a charm

L449[11:39:02] <diesieben07> gradle can do that for you even

L450[11:39:13] <diesieben07> the gradle publisher can upload to just an ftp host

L451[11:39:15] <g> oh, yep, gradle can do that, that's right

L452[11:39:27] <gigaherz> i'll have to try to get that working someday

L453[11:40:19] <Barteks2x> "if you don't care about that, (...)" I don';t understand something here

L454[11:40:48] <g> what's that?

L455[11:40:53] <gigaherz> Barteks2x: maven is both the repository format

L456[11:41:01] <gigaherz> and the program that can synchronize

L457[11:41:25] <gigaherz> "Maven is a build automation tool used primarily for Java projects. The word maven means "accumulator of knowledge" in Yiddish."

L458[11:41:49] <g> yeah, you have maven repos which are just collections of files stored according to the maven format

L459[11:41:53] <g> and then mvn, which is the maven tool

L460[11:42:39] <g> there are other tools which work with the maven format as well though, eg gradle

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L462[11:44:58] <Barteks2x> And I would have to worry about it much later if only I didn't make it a library...

L463[11:45:11] <g> honestly, you're overthinking quite a bit

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L465[11:45:24] <g> pick a solution you find easy, and stick to a versioning standard

L466[11:45:25] <g> that's it.

L467[11:45:43] <g> snapshots are considered beta, and that's the only real difference

L468[11:46:03] <g> if you don't want to release snapshots, don't release snapshots.

L469[11:47:39] <Barteks2x> also "you can ask for permission to use the minecraftforge maven, too" that would probably work for actuaal mod, and my guess would be anything new is unlikely to be accepted

L470[11:48:03] <g> I can think of some mods that use it

L471[11:48:08] <g> pretty sure chickenbones' lib uses it

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L474[11:49:40] <Barteks2x> sonatype website has everything except what I want to know

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L479[12:08:28] <shadekiller666> holy crap, ITickableSound has a lot of methods...

L480[12:12:55] <McJty> Those are actually from ISound

L481[12:12:58] <McJty> ITickableSound has only one

L482[12:13:49] <williewillus> what would cause TOP to not work properly only when the player is logged into a dediserver?

L483[12:13:51] <williewillus> got a report for 1.11

L484[12:14:01] <williewillus> botania's blocks are localized properly in SP but not in MP

L485[12:14:02] <McJty> Define 'not working properly'?

L486[12:14:31] <McJty> What version of TOP?

L487[12:14:40] <williewillus> shows unlocalized name

L488[12:14:43] <gigaherz> TOP?

L489[12:14:48] <gigaherz> oh

L490[12:14:51] <gigaherz> one probe

L491[12:15:17] <williewillus> my dev env has 1.3.4 but I think it happens in newer versions since I just got the report today

L492[12:15:46] <McJty> 1.3.4 is latest

L493[12:17:03] <McJty> TOP uses getPickBlock().getDisplayName() server side and sends that to the client

L494[12:17:18] <williewillus> so you're localizing on the srever?

L495[12:17:27] <McJty> Well TOP is server side. So yes

L496[12:17:39] <gigaherz> that can't possibly work

L497[12:17:41] <diesieben07> that can never work for mod blocks.

L498[12:17:41] <williewillus> server doesn't have localizations

L499[12:17:49] <williewillus> it only has en_us vanilla

L500[12:17:52] <McJty> Well it did work on 1.10.2

L501[12:17:55] <McJty> Has that changed on 1.11?

L502[12:17:58] <gigaherz> nope

L503[12:17:58] <diesieben07> nope

L504[12:18:01] <McJty> Well

L505[12:18:03] <gigaherz> i had to fix that back in 1.9

L506[12:18:05] <McJty> TOP is heavily used on servers

L507[12:18:13] <McJty> Never had a report on this

L508[12:18:21] <McJty> And it also works nice on my 1.10.2 patreon server

L509[12:18:26] <McJty> For all blocks (modded or not)

L510[12:18:31] <McJty> So somehow it can work

L511[12:18:50] <williewillus> doesn't mean it's not a problem :V let me try to make a test mod

L512[12:19:48] <McJty> But how does it work then if the server doesn't have that localization?

L513[12:20:05] <diesieben07> the only way is that you're not actually translating on the server.

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L515[12:20:49] <McJty> I'm pretty sure I am. That's the complete idea behind TOP. To do the actual information gathering on the server

L516[12:21:16] <diesieben07> you might be sending a TextComponentTranslation to the client

L517[12:21:26] <McJty> Nope I'm not

L518[12:21:34] <diesieben07> then you are doing something very strange.

L519[12:21:41] <williewillus> getDisplayName translates on the server

L520[12:21:46] <williewillus> iirc

L521[12:21:51] <diesieben07> yes but it can't for modded items.

L522[12:21:55] <williewillus> exactly

L523[12:21:57] <diesieben07> at least not on a dedi server

L524[12:22:08] <diesieben07> so it would jsut return the language key.

L525[12:22:10] <McJty> Well I'm 100% sure it does. On ForgeCraft for example it works fine

L526[12:22:25] <williewillus> is fc on 1.11?

L527[12:22:39] <McJty> No, talking 1.10 now

L528[12:22:47] <McJty> As I thought we were discussing if that worked on 1.10

L529[12:22:57] <williewillus> I'll check

L530[12:22:58] <gigaherz> it shouldn't matter, though

L531[12:23:24] <McJty> https://github.com/McJty/TheOneProbe/blob/1.10/src/main/java/mcjty/theoneprobe/apiimpl/providers/DefaultProbeInfoProvider.java#L227

L532[12:23:26] <McJty> That's the code

L533[12:23:57] <williewillus> and this runs on the server?

L534[12:24:00] <McJty> yes

L535[12:24:12] <McJty> Let me show you where that is called

L536[12:24:38] <McJty> https://github.com/McJty/TheOneProbe/blob/1.10/src/main/java/mcjty/theoneprobe/network/PacketGetInfo.java

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L538[12:25:15] <McJty> Which is registered as: INSTANCE.registerMessage(PacketGetInfo.Handler.class, PacketGetInfo.class, nextID(), Side.SERVER);

L539[12:25:46] <gigaherz> I wonder if there's some other mod that "fixes" this by loading all the en_US files instead of just the vanilla one

L540[12:25:56] <williewillus> the point is that localizing on the server is something mojang is moving away from

L541[12:26:09] <McJty> Ok, I can understand that

L542[12:28:52] <McJty> I will extend the TOP API to allow sending unlocalized strings back to the client though

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L545[12:28:59] <McJty> Then I can let the client translate it. That's not so hard actually

L546[12:29:16] <gigaherz> I'm still saddened that this had no interest: https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/pull/2948

L547[12:30:25] <diesieben07> i just don't really see why you want to stuff it into TextComponent

L548[12:30:37] <diesieben07> like... TextComponentItemStack makes no sense

L549[12:30:42] <gigaherz> it does

L550[12:30:55] <gigaherz> ItemStack has a text component method

L551[12:30:58] <gigaherz> but it translates on the server

L552[12:31:09] <diesieben07> then fix that one... :P

L553[12:31:10] <gigaherz> because due to the stupid mojang decision to prepend "item." dynamically

L554[12:31:22] <gigaherz> there's no way to obtain the full translation key from an item

L555[12:31:38] <shadekiller666> when an entity that has other entities riding it, should it attempt to save them to its own NBT data?

L556[12:31:54] <diesieben07> yes, that's what I meant by "fix"

L557[12:31:58] <williewillus> shadekiller666: mc does something like that

L558[12:31:58] <gigaherz> also

L559[12:32:00] <diesieben07> make that method.

L560[12:32:02] <gigaherz> a TextComponentItemStack

L561[12:32:10] <gigaherz> would let you hover over the chat

L562[12:32:12] <gigaherz> to see the tooltip

L563[12:32:18] <gigaherz> and maybe even click on it to open JEI

L564[12:32:26] <gigaherz> depending on how it's implemented

L565[12:32:45] <gigaherz> while a generic translation component would just be the text

L566[12:32:52] <diesieben07> that would be a custom hover event

L567[12:33:02] <diesieben07> not a custom text component

L568[12:33:19] <diesieben07> custom hover events I can see

L569[12:33:29] <gigaherz> I meant that different mods could augment the display knowing it's an itemstack being displayed

L570[12:34:01] <diesieben07> but ITextComponent displays text, not ItemStacks

L571[12:35:16] <gigaherz> that's why I liked IChatComponent name more -- it didn't imply "text"

L572[12:35:16] <gigaherz> ;P

L573[12:35:20] <williewillus> okay

L574[12:35:23] <williewillus> did some testing

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L576[12:35:31] <williewillus> it works in my ProjectE 1.10 workspace

L577[12:35:35] <williewillus> but not my 1.11 workspace

L578[12:35:35] <gigaherz> anyhow yeah

L579[12:35:41] <williewillus> so it's not a problem w botania alone

L580[12:35:44] <williewillus> and it's not a problem in 1.10

L581[12:35:50] <gigaherz> no interest in having forge support custom chat components, itemstack or otherwise

L582[12:35:55] <williewillus> McJty: ^^

L583[12:35:57] <gigaherz> lead me to just find a different workaround

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L585[12:36:09] <gigaherz> led*

L586[12:36:17] <gigaherz> so in my mod, I just send a custom packet

L587[12:36:19] <gigaherz> with the itemstack info

L588[12:36:28] <gigaherz> instead of sending a vanilla chat message

L589[12:36:35] <gigaherz> and print the message client-side

L590[12:36:37] <McJty> williewillus, ok, so at least I was right that it works fine in 1.10 :-)

L591[12:36:48] <McJty> But I'll fix it

L592[12:36:53] <McJty> Already working on it right now

L593[12:36:59] <williewillus> awesome, thx

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L598[12:59:12] <Barteks2x> What is the limit of open files on linux? (just curious, I accidentally hit the limit)

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L601[12:59:59] <williewillus> 4096 i think?

L602[13:00:00] <gigaherz> Barteks2x: cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max

L603[13:00:15] <williewillus> oh lol I"m way off

L604[13:00:17] <gigaherz> but there's a limit per process

L605[13:00:21] <Barteks2x> that output is 799019 for me

L606[13:00:23] <williewillus> ah yeah

L607[13:00:24] <gigaherz> which is usually 4096

L608[13:00:39] <gigaherz> ulimit -Hn

L609[13:00:42] <williewillus> ulimit

L610[13:00:45] <gigaherz> for the per-process FD limit

L611[13:00:45] <williewillus> woops

L612[13:00:56] <gigaherz> and ulimit -Sn for the soft-limit, wahtever that is

L613[13:01:00] <gigaherz> http://www.tecmint.com/increase-set-open-file-limits-in-linux/

L614[13:01:04] <Barteks2x> I probably forgot to close region files

L615[13:01:05] <williewillus> both 4096 for me

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L622[13:06:17] <McJty> This lack of localization is going to be a bigger problem for the rftools storage system

L623[13:06:23] <McJty> As it does searching by name on the server

L624[13:06:29] <McJty> Not sure how I'm going to solve that one

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L626[13:11:48] <Barteks2x> is there some place with up to date information about MC NBT chunk format?

L627[13:11:53] <Barteks2x> (other than the code)

L628[13:12:21] <Barteks2x> http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Chunk_format this seems to contain outdated/incorrect information

L629[13:12:43] <williewillus> wiki.vg

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L634[13:15:32] <Barteks2x> information about chunk NBT data is incomplete on wiki.vg

L635[13:15:43] <williewillus> it's just those two places + the code

L636[13:15:44] <williewillus> :P

L637[13:16:48] <Barteks2x> and both are wrong

L638[13:16:53] <Barteks2x> only code is right

L639[13:17:38] <williewillus> :P

L640[13:17:45] <williewillus> as expected

L641[13:19:05] <Barteks2x> First part of my converter seems to work (=not crash)

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L643[13:19:35] <Barteks2x> but the result is surprisingly small

L644[13:20:09] <Barteks2x> 3MB converted into 0.5MB

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L646[13:21:30] <TechnicianLP> f3+t helps so much when dubggin models...

L647[13:22:11] <Barteks2x> z->x typos are always so hard to find...

L648[13:23:18] <McJty> Is there a way on the client to translate a string which preserves formatting stuff?

L649[13:23:29] <McJty> i.e. the TextFormatting codes

L650[13:23:39] <McJty> Or do I have to first strip that and then readd it?

L651[13:24:12] <williewillus> if you use ITextComponent and setStyle() those are serialized and sent over the network properly

L652[13:24:36] <williewillus> new TextComponentTranslation("tile.stone.name").setStyle(new Style().setColor(BLUE)); or something like that

L653[13:25:07] <McJty> How do you send that over the network?

L654[13:25:15] <McJty> I mean how do I pack that in a ByteBuf?

L655[13:25:38] <williewillus> see SPacketChat

L656[13:26:34] <McJty> Hmm, not sure that I can use that

L657[13:26:37] <McJty> I have to think about that

L658[13:26:44] <williewillus> ?

L659[13:26:57] <williewillus> it's serialized into json and the string is sent

L660[13:26:58] <McJty> Well TOP actually uses its own TextFormatting variant

L661[13:27:18] <McJty> So I might have to manually do it in this case

L662[13:28:50] <TechnicianLP> almost looks like a fancy capr

L663[13:29:00] <TechnicianLP> almost looks like a fancy carpet: http://imgur.com/a/P9Aow *

L664[13:32:41] <McJty> Is I18n.format(text) the proper way to translate on the client?

L665[13:33:11] <williewillus> yeah

L666[13:33:57] <McJty> Thanks

L667[13:36:22] <McJty> In case you are wondering. I need my own TextFormatting variant because my formatting is conceptual and not an actual color. i.e. one doesn't say RED but instead one says ERROR

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L669[13:36:35] <McJty> And client can reconfigure ERROR to be RED, or BOLD, or whatever

L670[13:39:07] <killjoy> How did windows use up a whole TB?

L671[13:40:05] <TechnicianLP> because its made by microsoft ...

L672[13:40:09] <TechnicianLP> use linux ;)

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L674[13:41:46] <killjoy> Do I really have that many games?

L675[13:42:10] <killjoy> 500 GB is my steam folder so far

L676[13:42:52] <killjoy> the rest is taken by FileHistory

L677[13:45:05] <TechnicianLP> is there something like modelloaders for images?

L678[13:47:18] <diesieben07> built in to java actually

L679[13:48:08] <kashike> I've only got a 250GB SSD :P

L680[13:48:26] <diesieben07> see javax.imageio.spi.*

L681[13:48:29] <diesieben07> TechnicianLP, ^

L682[13:48:33] <Akkarin> > not using 20 250GB SSDs in raid 0

L683[13:48:35] <Akkarin> pls kashike

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L685[13:48:55] <kashike> lol

L686[13:49:15] <TechnicianLP> well i need to specify the animationspeed of that image manually (config value)

L687[13:49:43] <diesieben07> animationspeed?

L688[13:49:56] <TechnicianLP> animated textures name.png.mcmeta

L689[13:50:04] <diesieben07> oh you are talking about textures. not images

L690[13:50:29] * TechnicianLP should have specified that

L691[13:50:36] <diesieben07> you can extend TextureAtlasSprite and generate your texture hwoever you like

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L693[13:56:21] <TechnicianLP> thanks for pointing me in the right direction ;)

L694[14:02:30] <shadekiller666> for blocks that have a property that controls a direction that they are facing, it is likely that it is a PropertyDirection or a PropertyEnum<EnumFacing> right?

L695[14:02:41] <shadekiller666> or maybe a PropertyEnum<EnumFacing.Axis>

L696[14:02:51] <williewillus> probably

L697[14:03:04] <williewillus> but even in vanilla there's special cases

L698[14:03:11] <shadekiller666> like what?

L699[14:03:20] <williewillus> logs for example have axis X/Y/Z but they also have NONE which is bark on all sides

L700[14:03:25] <williewillus> so they don't use AXIS

L701[14:04:27] <shadekiller666> ahh they use PropertyEnum<BlockLog.EnumAxis>

L702[14:04:28] <shadekiller666> hmm

L703[14:05:27] <shadekiller666> and so does quartz

L704[14:06:26] <TechnicianLP> btw: you never know what that facing is for ... it could be orientation but it could also be something different ...

L705[14:07:31] <shadekiller666> i have a custom multiblock structure system that is loosly based off of the vanilla structure system

L706[14:08:04] <TechnicianLP> structure system?

L707[14:09:19] <williewillus> TechnicianLP: structure blocks? :P

L708[14:09:26] <williewillus> the things added in 1.9 and exposed in 1.10

L709[14:09:35] <shadekiller666> and i'm trying to figure out how to make blocks within the structure face in a specific direction relative to the structure, i was using IBlockState.withRotation() to get the rotated states, but that doesn't work well when the facing direction of the state (if it has one) is EnumFacing.UP or EnumFacing.DOWN

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L711[14:09:53] <williewillus> there is no general solution unfortunately

L712[14:09:56] <shadekiller666> my system doesn't use structure blocks specifically

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L714[14:10:31] <shadekiller666> the basic ideas of how vanilla handles the structure templates that are created/loaded by structure blocks are the same

L715[14:10:48] <williewillus> oh yeah the 1.6.4 structure system

L716[14:11:35] <shadekiller666> though, the "templates" in my system are parsed from a json and a png file in the mod's resources

L717[14:12:17] <shadekiller666> the json contains information about the structure in general, and information about what the pixels in the png should mean in the template

L718[14:12:44] <TechnicianLP> so basically a pixelart generator?

L719[14:13:00] <shadekiller666> a StructureManager class is set up to store a ResourceLocation->StructureTemplate map

L720[14:13:03] <williewillus> the structure blocks feel more intuitive :P

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L723[14:13:50] <shadekiller666> and when one of the blocks in my mod is a "structure master", it tells the manager to "place structure X at POS facing DIRECTION"

L724[14:14:10] <shadekiller666> and the manager pulls the appropriate template out of the map and builds it

L725[14:14:57] <shadekiller666> TechnicianLP, the system doesn't save templates to disk as of yet, it only reads them, though i might add support for using structure blocks to define a structure in the future

L726[14:15:47] <shadekiller666> the main thing that i'm using this system for atm is to have blocks that place more than just one block at a time (ie. beds, doors, etc.)

L727[14:16:15] <shadekiller666> but i'm trying to make it support more than just the blocks in my mod

L728[14:16:52] <shadekiller666> at least all of the vanilla blocks, but preferably (almost) any block in the game

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L730[14:17:20] <Koward> I want to increase the max health of all cows to 35. If I do it at EntityJoinWorld it's too late, they already have their initial health (20) so they're just at 20/35.

L731[14:17:47] <shadekiller666> to do that, i have to have a way of making the blocks in the template face in any direction (assuming they have a concept of "facing")

L732[14:18:48] <shadekiller666> i suppose i could have a key in my json files for the name of the property used for "facing" and the appropriate allowed values...

L733[14:18:50] <gigaherz> Koward: fix the real health too?

L734[14:19:06] <gigaherz> also

L735[14:19:12] <gigaherz> check EntityConstructing

L736[14:19:20] <shadekiller666> though i'd like to have that information parsed from what i already have if possible

L737[14:19:25] <williewillus> pretty entityconstructing might be too early

L738[14:19:31] <kashike> friendly reminder to thumbs-up or comment on these: https://github.com/ModCoderPack/MCPBot-Issues/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20label%3Amappings%20label%3A%22modder%20comments%20wanted%22%20

L739[14:19:34] <williewillus> attributes not registered yet

L740[14:20:41] <williewillus> that Block.causesDrag is really weird

L741[14:20:53] <williewillus> I don't know why it's in Block when the fluids only call it on themselves

L742[14:21:06] <diesieben07> Block.tickRate is the same

L743[14:21:10] <diesieben07> never called virtually

L744[14:21:23] <Koward> Imagine I fix the real health at that time, then obvious problem : when I log off&back, cows are full hp again

L745[14:21:45] <williewillus> apply a permanent atttribute modifier to the cow for +15

L746[14:21:48] <williewillus> then heal it

L747[14:21:51] <williewillus> and it'll persist

L748[14:22:53] <Koward> When should I heal it ?

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L751[14:23:50] <williewillus> hrm

L752[14:23:56] <williewillus> this is something that belongs in onInitialSpawn

L753[14:24:03] <williewillus> but no external access to it

L754[14:24:25] <williewillus> "Called only once on an entity when first time spawned, via egg, mob spawner, natural spawning etc, but not called when entity is reloaded from nbt"

L755[14:24:41] <Koward> Ooh

L756[14:24:59] <Koward> That sounds too good to be true.

L757[14:25:10] <williewillus> yeah bc there's no way to hook into it externally

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L759[14:25:32] <williewillus> seems like a good place for an event PR though

L760[14:26:51] <williewillus> i guess you could have an nbt boolean on it that marks if it hasn't been initially healed

L761[14:27:03] <williewillus> and in entityjoinworld, apply the modifier, then if the flag is unset heal it

L762[14:28:29] <Koward> Mmm right before onInitialSpawn there's always a forge event called, SpecialSpawn

L763[14:28:50] <williewillus> that's only for natural spawns + spawners though, not mob eggs or any time a mod calls spawnEntity

L764[14:28:59] <Koward> Damn it.

L765[14:29:27] <williewillus> because most mods don't know you should be calling that before you spawn fresh entities :P

L766[14:29:55] <Koward> The NBT tag idea sounds good.

L767[14:30:26] <williewillus> the modifier actually probably needs to be saved because setHealth is called in readFromNBT and if the attribute modifier isn't applied at that point the health gets clamped

L768[14:32:01] <williewillus> so i think this should work: have a static final AttributeModifier for +15 health. when a cow joins the world, check for the flag. if not present, apply the modifier and heal it, otherwsie do nothing

L769[14:32:05] <gigaherz> kashike: done, gave my thoughts and +1s

L770[14:32:54] <williewillus> Entity.getEntityData() gets you a NBT tag compound for any entity, that mods can use

L771[14:33:58] <Koward> But as you just said there's a clamping risk. Imagine my cow 35/35hp, I hit it with a sword and it's now at 29/35. I log off, log back. The entity is read, hp clamped to 20, then EntityJoinWorld is called and the modifier is applied. Result : 20/35

L772[14:34:19] <williewillus> if the attribute modifier is saved it'll load before setHealth is called

L773[14:34:28] <williewillus> and modifiers are saved by default

L774[14:34:40] <williewillus> actually

L775[14:34:50] <williewillus> since the modifier is permanent and saved you wouldn't need an nbt flag at all

L776[14:34:54] <williewillus> just check if the modifier is already there

L777[14:35:01] <williewillus> if not add it and heal the cow

L778[14:35:37] <Koward> Would something like cow.getEntityAttribute(SharedMonsterAttributes.MAX_HEALTH).setBaseValue(NEW_COW_HEALTH) count as saved ?

L779[14:35:49] <williewillus> no

L780[14:35:56] <Koward> No because it would be aplied each time, okay

L781[14:36:03] <Koward> so I need a proper modifier, makes sense

L782[14:37:02] <Koward> Tho it's a bit weird, what's the point of these attributes if they are not saved ?

L783[14:37:08] <williewillus> ?

L784[14:37:09] <williewillus> they are

L785[14:37:22] <williewillus> if you need to change and attribute you apply a *modifier*

L786[14:37:24] <williewillus> you don't change the base value

L787[14:37:42] <williewillus> modifiers are saved (and you can force them to be unsaved as well)

L788[14:37:46] <Koward> Sorry, I meant the base value. Why can we change it if it does not get saved ?

L789[14:37:50] <williewillus> idk :P

L790[14:38:00] <williewillus> but setting the base value shouldn't really ever be done

L791[14:42:05] <williewillus> oh actually, the base value *is* saved :P so I guess that could be done

L792[14:42:15] <williewillus> it becomes a matter of preference then

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L794[14:46:28] <williewillus> yeah i just tried both ways and they both work, so it's up to you. personally I think the modifier is cleaner

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L796[14:51:35] <TechnicianLP> !gf animationMetadata

L797[14:51:46] <TechnicianLP> !gm interpolateColor

L798[14:55:47] <Koward> Both ways ? You mean the base value and the modifier ?

L799[14:57:13] <Koward> Then I think the main difference would be that base value override the previous while modifier can stack, which would probably be better for compatibility

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L801[15:03:49] <williewillus> yeah, both of them work and are saved

L802[15:04:21] <shadekiller666> is it possible to use any PropertyDirection to set the value of a different PropertyDirection with the same name in a given IBlockState?

L803[15:04:31] <williewillus> look at IProperty.equals

L804[15:04:41] <williewillus> same name + same set of allowed values

L805[15:05:01] <williewillus> *PropertyHelper.equals

L806[15:05:07] <williewillus> oh wait nvm

L807[15:05:15] <williewillus> just name

L808[15:05:51] <williewillus> and the T of IProperty<T> needs to tightly match the other one

L809[15:06:45] <shadekiller666> so if they are named the same, and have the same generic type, then it should be possible?

L810[15:06:52] <williewillus> yes

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L812[15:07:09] <williewillus> doesn't guarantee that the value you pass to withProperty is accepted though

L813[15:07:23] <williewillus> and withProperty throws if the value given is not in the set of allowed values

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L815[15:08:04] <shadekiller666> ok

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L821[15:09:08] <shadekiller666> withProperty uses the IProperty as a key in a map of IProperty->Comparable

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L823[15:17:18] <williewillus> yes, and the ipropertys are compared by class and name

L824[15:17:29] <shadekiller666> withProperty accepts an IProperty with the same name and value list, going to test what conditions it wants

L825[15:18:16] <shadekiller666> sweet

L826[15:19:07] <shadekiller666> that means i can work out the proper EnumFacing given my structure's rotation conditions and give them to the IBlockState directly

L827[15:19:20] <williewillus> you still have to catch anything thrown

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L829[15:19:27] <shadekiller666> assuming i have an IProperty with the same name and type

L830[15:19:29] <TechnicianLP> !gm updateAnimationInterpolated

L831[15:19:37] <shadekiller666> thats fine

L832[15:20:04] <williewillus> not necessarily, if the property on the foreign block doesn't have something in it's allowedvalues you have to catch the exception thrown

L833[15:20:17] <shadekiller666> and i will do so

L834[15:20:32] <shadekiller666> and i will try and be smart about it

L835[15:21:50] <shadekiller666> the template these are being placed from knows what all of the IProperties in each state are named, and at least the name of the value

L836[15:27:41] <shadekiller666> the special cases like logs/quarts will be tricky

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L842[15:32:34] <williewillus> does a client player entity's uuid match their gameprofile uuid?

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L849[15:44:01] <Shambling> I don't suppose there is a way to make a forge mod that disables superficial version checking from occuring in other mods? lol

L850[15:44:26] <williewillus> what you actually do is yell at the author to use the forge version checker

L851[15:44:30] <williewillus> and then turn that off

L852[15:44:48] <Shambling> I'm trying to recompile... but keep getting roadblocks

L853[15:44:55] * Ashindigo_ gives shamblin a pitchfork

L854[15:44:57] <TechnicianLP> whom do you have to yell at?

L855[15:44:58] <Shambling> missing dependencies, etc etc etc

L856[15:45:12] <Shambling> no one, because I'm too lazy to post to their issues page :P

L857[15:45:23] <SkySom> That's a poor response

L858[15:45:23] <williewillus> there really isn't any reason a mod should be using their own checker now to be honest

L859[15:45:27] <tterrag> if said mod's dev setup process isn't `gradlew sDecW` -> `gradlew eclipse` (or other IDE setup), they've done it wrong

L860[15:45:29] <Shambling> one should never complain about a dev, without giving them the ability to fix :P

L861[15:45:43] <Shambling> they have no gradle files on their github

L862[15:45:45] <SkySom> It's not a complain really

L863[15:45:48] <Shambling> so I was relying on default forge lol

L864[15:45:49] <SkySom> It's a proper report

L865[15:45:52] <tterrag> then they've DEFINITELY done it wrong

L866[15:45:57] <tterrag> no wonder it won't work, you have no buildscript

L867[15:46:01] <Shambling> yup

L868[15:46:03] <tterrag> report an issue

L869[15:46:09] <tterrag> if you haven't at least done that, you're doing the dev a disservice

L870[15:46:13] <gigaherz> I remember seeing a mod that had only the contents of the src/ folder in the repo

L871[15:46:14] <SkySom> But yeah I need to add Forge's version checker to my mod (I currently have no checker)

L872[15:46:19] <gigaherz> no diea which

L873[15:46:19] <tterrag> recompiling their mod should be a last resort

L874[15:46:21] <Shambling> if anything, the issue is curse allowing the download, but it checking for 1.11 instead of 1.11.2

L875[15:46:22] <gigaherz> ;P

L876[15:46:24] <gigaherz> idea*

L877[15:46:41] <Shambling> I'll go post to the tracker.

L878[15:46:50] <gigaherz> wait you mean the version range of minecraft

L879[15:46:57] <gigaherz> not that it checks for updates?

L880[15:47:13] <williewillus> oh lol

L881[15:47:15] <williewillus> those are different

L882[15:47:26] <gigaherz> yeah no way around recompiling if that's the case

L883[15:47:27] <gigaherz> ;P

L884[15:47:51] <gigaherz> well you could technically edit the annotation metadata and repack

L885[15:47:52] <gigaherz> but eh.

L886[15:48:56] <Shambling> yes gigaherz, the mod was showing on curse as 1.11.2 compatible, but checks against 1.11 only

L887[15:50:12] <williewillus> bug the author :P

L888[15:50:42] <Shambling> just did

L889[15:51:15] <Shambling> so, do you think the following modpack would get alot of reddit visibility? "Test Modpack - Please don't upvote"

L890[15:51:35] <williewillus> the joke is old so idk

L891[15:51:45] <williewillus> anyways, do instance initializers run before constructors?

L892[15:51:49] <williewillus> like final field init

L893[15:52:03] <TechnicianLP> http://i.imgur.com/SddWYFx.gifv

L894[15:53:05] <Shambling> is it an old joke? I didn't know it was an old joke, it just seems people that ask a question and say "don't upvote" get alot of upvotes :P

L895[15:53:10] <Shambling> guess I don't use reddit enough

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L897[15:53:53] <illy> boop o/

L898[15:53:57] <williewillus> it's from the old "test post please ignore" thing

L899[15:53:59] <Shambling> nice gif :P

L900[15:54:01] <williewillus> from years ago

L901[15:54:05] <TechnicianLP> class gets initialized before instances ... so <clinit> gets called befor <init>

L902[15:54:12] <Shambling> is that where test pack please ignore came from? lol

L903[15:54:20] <williewillus> TechnicianLP: was asking about *instance* initializers :P

L904[15:54:28] <williewillus> i.e. final fields you assign inline

L905[15:54:32] <williewillus> before or after ctors?

L906[15:55:31] <diesieben07> i think after the super constructor call but before your constructor code

L907[15:55:35] <diesieben07> but don't quote me on that

L908[15:56:09] <TechnicianLP> https://hastebin.com/kuceqidevi.php this one?

L909[15:56:29] <williewillus> "The Java compiler copies initializer blocks into every constructor"

L910[15:56:33] <diesieben07> const?

L911[15:56:40] <williewillus> thansk for telling where x.x

L912[15:57:00] <williewillus> TechnicianLP: wat language is that :P

L913[15:57:29] <TechnicianLP> java ... (was just too lazy to write out the constructor ...)(and too lazy to change the autodetected lang)

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L919[16:01:36] <williewillus> it seems to be field init -> initializer block -> ctor

L920[16:01:41] <williewillus> which makes sense

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L922[16:03:04] <tterrag> Shambling: yeah, that joke is already taken

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L924[16:03:15] <williewillus> lol

L925[16:03:32] <tterrag> https://github.com/TPPIDev/TestPackPleaseIgnore#information

L926[16:03:33] <Shambling> ok well I'll just need a hipster name then

L927[16:03:41] <tterrag> as of 3 years ago :)

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L929[16:03:48] <Shambling> "Not my modpack"

L930[16:03:55] <Shambling> wait that wouldn't be hipster

L931[16:04:07] <tterrag> "This modpack is not cool (yet)"

L932[16:04:08] <Shambling> hrmmm... well anyways, I need to get inside. Thanks for the help earlier

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L935[16:12:48] <LexMobile> Someone should test that...

L936[16:13:04] <LexMobile> Add a field with an init after the ctr in the class file

L937[16:13:33] <LexMobile> I think it'd work and I think it'd add it at the end of the ctr

L938[16:13:47] * gigaherz checks

L939[16:13:52] <williewillus> i think where a field is in the source file doesn't matter, but lemme try that

L940[16:14:19] <LexMobile> I think it does it's worth a rest

L941[16:14:33] <LexMobile> Cuz I know you can interweave statics

L942[16:15:39] <williewillus> okay just tried it. ctor always runs last, but fields and instance initializer {} blocks are in order

L943[16:15:53] <williewillus> *in order of declaration

L944[16:15:58] <LexMobile> Gunna

L945[16:16:01] <LexMobile> Gunna

L946[16:16:05] <LexMobile> Fuck you phone

L947[16:17:16] <gigaherz> https://gist.github.com/gigaherz/442f3eceef00126bb06485f885b01c47

L948[16:17:17] <gigaherz> nope

L949[16:17:19] <gigaherz> the constructor is last

L950[16:17:29] <gigaherz> oh williewillus ninja'd

L951[16:17:56] <gigaherz> oh and I forgot to add one initialized block

L952[16:19:33] <gigaherz> https://gist.github.com/gigaherz/442f3eceef00126bb06485f885b01c47

L953[16:19:34] <gigaherz> better ;P

L954[16:19:39] <LexMobile> Umm

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L956[16:19:52] <LexMobile> Ldc2_w is long right?

L957[16:19:59] <LexMobile> Err float

L958[16:20:12] <LexMobile> So it did interweave?

L959[16:20:27] <gigaherz> yes everything except the constructor

L960[16:20:39] <LexMobile> I'll look later

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L963[16:24:11] <LexMobile> Fc doesn't suck

L964[16:24:16] <LexMobile> The code is identical

L965[16:24:33] <gigaherz> I meant that it makes no effort to keep the initializer order

L966[16:24:34] <LexMobile> I'd have to see more then the opcodes to see the exact fields

L967[16:24:43] <LexMobile> It does

L968[16:24:51] <LexMobile> IF it matters

L969[16:24:52] <gigaherz> but those values have no dependencies so eh.

L970[16:25:23] <LexMobile> Yao wrote a specific "make sure this init had no higher deps"

L971[16:25:37] <LexMobile> *ya I

L972[16:26:17] <gigaherz> that's idea's one, btw, not forge's

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L974[16:27:12] <LexMobile> Meh either way it has no deps so the code is identical enough

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L987[17:23:40] <shadekiller666> i like how Block.java has getValidRotations() but nothing actually overrides it

L988[17:24:11] <shadekiller666> do any vanilla blocks have a property named "rotation"?

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L991[17:25:26] <shadekiller666> oh, its a forge method :P

L992[17:36:33] <Mraof> How often do mods register recipes in postinit or later?

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L994[17:42:46] <gigaherz> Mraof: I doubt it's very often, xcept for like, minetweaker/crafttweaker

L995[17:44:20] <Mraof> Alright

L996[17:45:56] <Mraof> I noticed Minestuck's thing where it calculates grist costs based on recipes (which happens in postinit) didn't work for one mod

L997[17:46:07] <Mraof> Because that mod apparently adds its recipes in postinit

L998[17:47:04] <Mraof> So now I'm wondering if I should make it do that later, for mods that add recipes unusually late

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L1004[18:00:46] <Daomephsta> When attempting to create an IForgeRegistry I noticed that there was little documentation. With some help from here I figured out how to use Forge Registries, so I've decide to make some docs. I have a few questions about Forge Registries. Firstly, why use them? I can think of 3 reason. That IForgeRegistryEntrys have both an RSL id and an integer id, the substitution system, not having to implement your own registry and

L1005[18:00:46] <Daomephsta> that most modders will already be familiar with Forge Registries. The second question is about RegistryEvent. Why is it better to perform registration in RegistryEvent instead of preinit/init/postinit?

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L1007[18:01:29] <williewillus> forge registries: you get automatic id assignment. no faffing with int ids. they are also per-world, and sync automtaically to the client

L1008[18:03:41] <Daomephsta> Thanks. What about RegistryEvent?

L1009[18:05:12] <williewillus> so you don't have to care about "when should I register this?". I personally haven't switched to them but it's useful to subscribe like that and know it's being done at the right time

L1010[18:06:46] <Daomephsta> Right. So they aren't a standard, more of a recommended solution? There's nothing wrong with registration in preinit/init/postinit?

L1011[18:07:49] <williewillus> it is more recommended

L1012[18:07:57] <williewillus> I just personally have been too lazy to switch ;p

L1013[18:08:37] <Daomephsta> The main thing I was wondering about was inter-mod compat, which AFAIK can't be done in RegistryEvent.

L1014[18:09:05] <Daomephsta> Stuff like Botania's Botanist's Scribing Tools

L1015[18:09:16] <williewillus> yeah

L1016[18:09:26] <williewillus> well, actually that can be done in registryevent

L1017[18:09:42] <williewillus> it's just an if(thaumcraft loaded) { evt.register(blah) }

L1018[18:11:25] <Daomephsta> I think that's everything I wanted to know. Thanks for your time.

L1019[18:11:31] <williewillus> no prob

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L1027[18:40:52] <GeoDoX> Any decent tutorials for custom events? Or links to relevant code? Also, I've read something about transforming the event? Explanation please xD

L1028[18:41:02] <killjoy> look at forge events

L1029[18:41:14] <killjoy> 1. extend event

L1030[18:41:38] <killjoy> 2. subscribe to event

L1031[18:41:49] <GeoDoX> I have, as far as I can tell it's just extending Event, and calling post when necessary?

L1032[18:41:53] <williewillus> yes

L1033[18:41:57] <killjoy> 3. post to eventbus

L1034[18:42:11] <GeoDoX> Is there any reason why you need to subscribe to it?

L1035[18:42:15] <williewillus> killjoy: uh what is step 2 doing?

L1036[18:42:16] <williewillus> yeah

L1037[18:42:23] <williewillus> if you're making one what are you subscribing to? :P

L1038[18:42:32] <killjoy> you don't need to subscribe

L1039[18:42:40] <killjoy> but someone else could

L1040[18:42:52] <killjoy> It was filler while I looked up what the right word was (post)

L1041[18:43:01] <GeoDoX> Alright haha

L1042[18:43:09] <williewillus> lol shulker boxes move items properly but items on top of shulker entities phase through

L1043[18:43:10] <williewillus> gg mojang

L1044[18:43:13] <GeoDoX> So no need to subscribe to it?

L1045[18:43:40] <GeoDoX> The intention is that other mods will

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L1047[18:44:44] <GeoDoX> Will other mods need to mark the subscriber as Optional?

L1048[18:44:53] <williewillus> what does that mean

L1049[18:45:09] <williewillus> if other mods don't want to see the event they just don't subscribe

L1050[18:45:47] <GeoDoX> Like how GuideBook (I think) uses an event to register books, and something about soft dependency?

L1051[18:46:08] <williewillus> oh that's letting others even see the event class

L1052[18:46:12] <williewillus> that's on other mods to do

L1053[18:46:21] <williewillus> (stripping soft deps, etc.)

L1054[18:46:35] <williewillus> as the event firer just make sure the class is in your api package

L1055[18:46:36] <GeoDoX> Is that necessary for other mods to do?

L1056[18:46:36] <Shambling> do shulker boxes have AI?

L1057[18:46:45] <williewillus> Shambling: no, they're TE's :P

L1058[18:47:00] <williewillus> GeoDoX: if they don't want to require your mod, yes

L1059[18:47:01] <Shambling> well that is why, shulker's are mobs. Do you know any other mob that moves blocks or interacts in some way

L1060[18:47:15] <williewillus> Shambling: one would think they use the same motion code

L1061[18:47:21] <GeoDoX> Oh okay, it's suddenly making sense

L1062[18:47:23] <Shambling> maybe they should have made shulkers tile entitites that just fire off entities

L1063[18:47:31] <Shambling> as a reaction to distance t oplayer

L1064[18:47:35] <williewillus> then it can't have AI :P

L1065[18:47:36] <Shambling> that way both could have same code

L1066[18:47:45] <williewillus> they can have the same code without being related by inheritance

L1067[18:47:51] <GeoDoX> In your opinion, is it annoying to do so?

L1068[18:48:10] <williewillus> it's literally "check in AABB, push mobs up", which doesn't depend on either being an entity or TE, so it doesn't make sense for it to behave differently

L1069[18:48:13] <williewillus> GeoDoX: is what annoying?

L1070[18:48:25] <killjoy> interfaces should be used for an api

L1071[18:48:27] <GeoDoX> Having to use Optional

L1072[18:49:02] <williewillus> killjoy: we're talking about events :P

L1073[18:49:12] <killjoy> events can use interfaces afaik

L1074[18:49:33] <williewillus> unless you can subscribe to interface types on the bus which I'm pretty sure you can't

L1075[18:49:35] <Shambling> wait, is it just mobs that shulker's don't interact with?

L1076[18:49:41] <williewillus> Shambling: what do you mean

L1077[18:49:50] <williewillus> it's siupposed to bump any entity on top of it upward

L1078[18:49:52] <williewillus> when it opens

L1079[18:49:55] <GeoDoX> @killjoy, Honestly I don't get how that whole thing works

L1080[18:49:58] <Shambling> nm I thought I saw you say that they don't interact with entities standing on top

L1081[18:50:04] <killjoy> eventbus is magic

L1082[18:50:10] <williewillus> no I said that item entities fall through the shulker when it opens

L1083[18:50:13] <williewillus> but not shulkerbox

L1084[18:50:22] <Shambling> weird

L1085[18:50:23] <williewillus> which is weird because I imagined they would use the same colliding code

L1086[18:50:58] <GeoDoX> @killjoy, I know interfaces (at least the basics of them) but I don't get how they're useful because they can't be instantiated?

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L1088[18:51:15] <killjoy> multiple implementations for a single type

L1089[18:51:19] <GeoDoX> (thinking in terms of API's)

L1090[18:51:46] <killjoy> specification vs implementation

L1091[18:52:03] <killjoy> think bukkit vs paper

L1092[18:52:21] <GeoDoX> bukkit vs paper?

L1093[18:52:26] <killjoy> or spigot

L1094[18:52:45] <LexMobile> Doesn't mean anything

L1095[18:52:46] <GeoDoX> i'm aware of bukkit and spigot, but i've never heard of paper

L1096[18:52:55] <killjoy> Yeah, I don't know where I'm going

L1097[18:53:02] <williewillus> idk why you're talking about ifaces killjoy :P

L1098[18:53:03] <killjoy> it's just another bukkit fork

L1099[18:53:03] <LexMobile> Interfaces are a simple programming concept

L1100[18:53:11] <williewillus> we're trying to implement a subclass of Event

L1101[18:53:15] <GeoDoX> lol

L1102[18:53:22] <LexMobile> And?

L1103[18:53:48] <GeoDoX> @williewillus, it's actually more useful than what I'm leading on. I'm creating an API as well, so whatever helps

L1104[18:54:58] <GeoDoX> If I only have a single data type that needs to be used, is there any point in using interfaces?

L1105[18:55:11] <williewillus> depends :P

L1106[18:55:21] <LexMobile> What do you mean by "API"

L1107[18:55:37] <GeoDoX> I get that other mods can implement different stuff if it's an interface, but my mod isn't going to be aware of that data, so I'm not seeing the point

L1108[18:55:44] <LexMobile> You're speaking in vague terms start being specific

L1109[18:56:05] <killjoy> I find using interfaces helps to avoid using "stub" classes

L1110[18:56:18] <GeoDoX> API meaning that another mod will interact with my mod and my API will be the middle man to handle that

L1111[18:56:22] <williewillus> yeah this discussion is way too vague/abstract :P

L1112[18:56:32] <LexMobile> Again fucking vague

L1113[18:56:33] <GeoDoX> I'll lay it all out haha

L1114[18:56:33] <killjoy> e.g. a dummy class with method names with an empty body

L1115[18:57:13] <killjoy> interfaces also only expose things you want exposed.

L1116[18:57:40] <GeoDoX> My mod is going to display tooltips for inventory slots to provide a basic explanation of what the slot is used for, ex: bottom furnace slot will display a "Fuel" tooltip.

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L1118[18:58:07] <GeoDoX> Other mods will be able to use my API to register a tooltip for their slots in their guis

L1119[18:58:23] <killjoy> might as well use intermod-comms

L1120[18:58:39] <LexMobile> Okay, what data needs to be passed?

L1121[18:58:52] <LexMobile> What identifiers are you using

L1122[18:58:59] <LexMobile> If it's just another mod feeding

L1123[18:59:05] <GeoDoX> They need to make a call to my registry for each slot that will have a tooltip

L1124[18:59:14] <LexMobile> You data then no you don't need anything the modder can implement

L1125[18:59:41] <LexMobile> However

L1126[18:59:45] <GeoDoX> identifiers as in?

L1127[19:00:03] <LexMobile> How the fuck are you gunna tell two slots apart

L1128[19:00:19] <GeoDoX> @killjoy, that was a recommendation but I honestly don't grasp it

L1129[19:00:36] <GeoDoX> Storing the slot

L1130[19:00:49] <killjoy> some mod sends you a nbttagcompound

L1131[19:00:53] <killjoy> you parse that for data you need

L1132[19:00:57] <LexMobile> Intermodal comma are fairly simple mods shove shit in it, and your mod can read things for your mod

L1133[19:01:20] <LexMobile> No

L1134[19:01:20] <LexMobile> You don't store the Slot

L1135[19:01:44] <LexMobile> That would be retarded as the slot instances are regenerated every time you open a GUI

L1136[19:01:50] <GeoDoX> https://hastebin.com/alagowiwux Some code, this is the data that will be registered

L1137[19:02:05] <GeoDoX> I wasn't aware of that

L1138[19:02:13] <killjoy> where is this called?

L1139[19:02:25] <killjoy> I suggest using an int

L1140[19:02:30] <killjoy> or 2

L1141[19:02:42] <killjoy> x/y coords

L1142[19:02:51] <LexMobile> GUI class + isn't for slot index should work

L1143[19:03:05] <LexMobile> Int*

L1144[19:03:31] <GeoDoX> GuiContainer?

L1145[19:03:44] <LexMobile> No

L1146[19:03:44] <killjoy> You should also add a configuration for this

L1147[19:03:53] <LexMobile> Whatever GUI class holds the slots

L1148[19:04:17] <LexMobile> And yes config file would peobably be the way to go

L1149[19:04:19] <GeoDoX> Which GUI class would you recommend? I'm not providing one

L1150[19:04:26] <LexMobile> Or more specifically a Lang file

L1151[19:04:37] <LexMobile> You're not THEY ARE

L1152[19:04:38] <killjoy> Which guis does this occur in?

L1153[19:04:49] <LexMobile> Whatever fucking GUI they have the slots on

L1154[19:05:05] <killjoy> e.g. in a chest? crafting table? their inventory?

L1155[19:05:16] <LexMobile> You really haven't thought this through much, or at least have no idea how guis and slots work

L1156[19:05:20] <GeoDoX> Any, as long as they have slots in it, which is why I'm trying to figure out which class to require a param for

L1157[19:05:33] <LexMobile> You don't

L1158[19:05:37] <GeoDoX> It's a learning experience haha

L1159[19:05:45] <LexMobile> You require a Class

L1160[19:06:03] <LexMobile> As in a parameter of type Class

L1161[19:06:33] <GeoDoX> Makes sense, so what would I do with said class?

L1162[19:06:41] <LexMobile> So you can be like If currentScreen.getClass() == registeredClass then do shit

L1163[19:07:05] <killjoy> Personally, I would use a class map

L1164[19:07:08] <GeoDoX> Ahh, that makes more sense

L1165[19:07:18] <GeoDoX> How would I address the slots then>?

L1166[19:07:24] <killjoy> use an int

L1167[19:07:34] <killjoy> for the array index

L1168[19:07:56] <GeoDoX> The reason why I was thinking GuiContainer is because it has an inventorySlots field

L1169[19:08:39] <GeoDoX> @killjoy, if I don't know which class the slots are in, then I dont know how I'd access the slots

L1170[19:09:25] <killjoy> (GuiContainer) mc.currentScreen

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L1172[19:11:10] <GeoDoX> Why store a Class if it's safe to assume it's a GuiContainer?

L1173[19:11:36] <killjoy> just because gui instanceof GuiContainer doesn't mean gui.getClass() == GuiContainer.class

L1174[19:11:48] <GeoDoX> That's what I'm saying

L1175[19:12:21] <killjoy> You don't need access to sub classes

L1176[19:13:02] <GeoDoX> No but there's no guarantee that the mod is extending GuiContainer

L1177[19:13:14] <GeoDoX> gui, not mod

L1178[19:13:40] <killjoy> But it's likely it is

L1179[19:13:56] <killjoy> find an example of a container gui which doesn't extend GuiContainer

L1180[19:14:15] <GeoDoX> ghz did yesterday haha

L1181[19:15:15] <GeoDoX> I figured that if a mod is crazy enough to implement their own gui, then chances are they're not going to use this haha

L1182[19:15:53] <killjoy> they'll probably extend GuiContainer

L1183[19:16:02] <killjoy> because they're supposed to if it deals with an inventory

L1184[19:16:12] <killjoy> am I wrong?

L1185[19:20:05] <GeoDoX> I don't think so, are GuiContainer.inventorySlots used consistently?

L1186[19:22:15] <killjoy> if it's vanilla and forge doesn't provide an alternative, it's the right way to do it

L1187[19:32:38] <LexMobile> Mm

L1188[19:34:28] <GeoDoX> I think I should be able to continue with that, thanks willie, killjoy, and lex

L1189[19:34:58] <GeoDoX> @killjoy, if you wanted to go into more detail about IMC, I'm all ears

L1190[19:35:18] <killjoy> remind me what IMC is?

L1191[19:35:25] <GeoDoX> intermod-comms

L1192[19:35:36] <killjoy> there's not much to say

L1193[19:36:25] <GeoDoX> I've never used it before so I don't even know where to start, and the only thing I know about it is that it's for mods to "talk" to each other, at least as far as I know

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L1195[19:40:23] <Shambling> mekanism ores are very strange

L1196[19:40:41] <Shambling> I've managed to generate ore variants for all stones... except osmium

L1197[19:41:30] <Shambling> if I use give name OreBlock 1 0, it gives me osmium, so the meta is 0. yet when I make my strain of marble osmium based off of osmium, when you break it and it drops a block of osmium, it drops nothing and leaves a phantom block

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L1199[19:47:17] <killjoy> GeoDoX, see FMLInterModComms

L1200[19:48:21] <killjoy> https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/blob/1.11.x/src/main/java/net/minecraftforge/fml/common/event/FMLInterModComms.java

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L1212[20:28:11] <Shambling> is there a way to tell if an event has been fired once, and cancel it from firing automatically again? I'd like to see about making an item that when held stops you from breaking more than one block per left click

L1213[20:28:38] <Shambling> I'd imagine its pretty simple, but just want to make sure before attempting to go through the steps and coding it

L1214[20:29:38] <Shambling> or is onleftclick just going to keep firing if the player keeps holding down left click?

L1215[20:31:35] <GeoDoX> I'm not sure, so all I can say is set up a test case

L1216[20:31:49] <killjoy> here's an idea

L1217[20:32:03] <killjoy> subscribe to the block break event, then reset the cooldown

L1218[20:34:52] <Shambling> I'll try that first. The next thing I could think of would be temporarily setting it so the player can't break blocks until they release the left mouse button. But that sounds like it would work smoother

L1219[20:36:10] <Shambling> could always override block break speed to always be a set number when wearing the item too I suppose, but I kind of want to leave the "instant break" of being insanely enchanted, but want more fine control

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L1221[20:42:02] <Waterpicker> How do I get a BlockPos from the string idea like "minecraft:sand[variant=sand]"

L1222[20:42:14] <Waterpicker> *a IBlockState.

L1223[20:43:58] <williewillus> Waterpicker: see how setblock does it

L1224[20:43:59] <williewillus> in 1.11

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L1226[20:44:14] <Waterpicker> it's 1.10.2 I'm looking for

L1227[20:44:28] <killjoy> blockstates were added in 1.8

L1228[20:44:31] <killjoy> should be the same concept

L1229[20:44:43] <williewillus> yeah youcan look at the logic

L1230[20:44:56] <williewillus> they added support in 1.11 for using variant strings in /setblock instead of meta

L1231[20:45:02] <williewillus> so just looking at the logic might be helpful

L1232[20:45:10] <Waterpicker> forge

L1233[20:45:19] <williewillus> ?

L1234[20:45:27] <Waterpicker> I'm using forge ><

L1235[20:45:35] <williewillus> and?

L1236[20:45:43] <williewillus> I don't understand :P

L1237[20:46:18] <Waterpicker> why wouldn't there be direct usage of that id.

L1238[20:46:30] <williewillus> what are you talking about?

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L1240[20:47:02] <Waterpicker> creating IBlockState based on a string id.

L1241[20:47:20] <williewillus> minecraft:sand[variant=sand] is not a string id, it's an id + a variant string

L1242[20:47:44] <williewillus> so I'm saying, you can look at 1.11 code to get an *idea* how to parse variant strings into an IBlockState object

L1243[20:47:56] <williewillus> specifically, the /setblock command in 1.11 does something very similar

L1244[20:52:12] <GeoDoX> !gf Slot.xDisplayPosition

L1245[20:52:43] <GeoDoX> Was that changed?

L1246[20:53:03] <killjoy> use !fh for field history

L1247[20:53:16] <GeoDoX> !fh Slot.xDisplayPosition

L1248[20:53:23] <GeoDoX> Thank you

L1249[20:58:59] <tterrag> fry|sleep: hm...it looks like forge lighting will apply shading twice to a model with overlapping quads (i.e. a translucent overlay) which causes strange artifacts

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L1251[20:59:53] <tterrag> wait....apparently not, it's just straight up broken

L1252[21:00:09] <tterrag> this simple structure causes some pretty ugly artifacts http://i.imgur.com/f2lEB9J.png

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L1254[21:04:20] <GeoDoX> Any plans to use discord (possibly instead of) along with irc?

L1255[21:04:59] <killjoy> I'd join ^_^

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L1257[21:06:01] <GeoDoX> I agree, I don't think it would be *too* difficult to transfer the functionality of MCPBot

L1258[21:06:28] <williewillus> i mean what does it offer over irc :P

L1259[21:06:43] <GeoDoX> Well, in most cases, a prettier UI

L1260[21:06:56] <mezz> there's definitely no plans, it has been brought up before

L1261[21:07:04] <GeoDoX> and friendlier imo

L1262[21:07:06] <mezz> IRC is forever

L1263[21:07:10] <williewillus> i don't care about prettier ui >_>

L1264[21:07:11] <killjoy> Make a server and link it. maybe people will join

L1265[21:07:12] <killjoy> maybe

L1266[21:07:18] <GeoDoX> I didn't think so, but who knows

L1267[21:07:27] <GeoDoX> Alrighty @killjoy

L1268[21:07:31] <williewillus> discord consumes more resources than IRC for basically the same service

L1269[21:07:53] <killjoy> afaik, there's no text client for discord

L1270[21:08:21] <killjoy> unless someone makes a bot for it

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L1272[21:10:26] <GeoDoX> exactly :)

L1273[21:11:18] <GeoDoX> It's up :P https://discord.gg/jzjdMAN

L1274[21:12:26] <progwml6> most of the modern chat clients use chromium underneath them

L1275[21:12:57] <progwml6> they use the thing github built for atom

L1276[21:13:15] <williewillus> which is heavy as hell compared to a simple irc client in C/C++ >_>

L1277[21:13:40] * illy wants a weechat plugin for discord

L1278[21:14:21] <williewillus> how do I rename a git branch

L1279[21:14:23] <williewillus> before I push it

L1280[21:14:31] <GeoDoX> I've never seen a decent looking, easy to use IRC client, which is why I like discord

L1281[21:14:36] <mezz> git checkout -b newBranchName

L1282[21:14:37] <killjoy> git branch name

L1283[21:14:44] <killjoy> *just create a new branch

L1284[21:14:55] <williewillus> oh lol, thanks

L1285[21:15:04] <williewillus> GeoDoX: what's decent looking? :P

L1286[21:15:17] <GeoDoX> Discord ;)

L1287[21:15:52] <williewillus> this is what mine looks like. gets the job done, and doesnt gobble more resources than a chat client should use :P https://gyazo.com/2ccc3ff98e4104898df6821fab39c946

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L1289[21:16:47] <GeoDoX> @williewillus, https://puu.sh/txEAc/ba8cb33913.png

L1290[21:17:07] <killjoy> ?

L1291[21:17:21] <killjoy> anyone have a client that supports emoji?

L1292[21:17:25] <GeoDoX> nope

L1293[21:17:27] <williewillus> hexchat can see it

L1294[21:17:41] <GeoDoX> I'm using hexchat, and I can't see it

L1295[21:17:45] <mezz> I'm using hexchat and I can't see it either

L1296[21:17:50] <williewillus> are you guys on windows?

L1297[21:17:53] <mezz> yes

L1298[21:17:53] <GeoDoX> yerp

L1299[21:17:54] <killjoy> square square

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L1301[21:18:24] <williewillus> i'm on linux_64, hexchat 2.12.4. might be some fonts I have

L1302[21:18:42] <GeoDoX> Someone else join the discord hahaha

L1303[21:18:49] <mezz> probably font-dependent yeah

L1304[21:19:08] <mezz> GeoDoX, what are you accomplishing with that discord? there are several minecraft discords you can join, just not an official Forge one

L1305[21:19:11] <killjoy> Oh, I can see it now

L1306[21:19:21] <killjoy> I switched to a emoji supporting font

L1307[21:19:27] <mezz> which font?

L1308[21:19:39] <killjoy> EmojiOne

L1309[21:19:42] <GeoDoX> Something more preferable

L1310[21:19:59] <mezz> weird that Arial does not have emoji

L1311[21:20:33] <GeoDoX> I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to have a bot that sends between Discord and IRC, so if you'd still prefer IRC then no worries

L1312[21:20:54] <killjoy> Then what would be the point?

L1313[21:21:17] <GeoDoX> Some people (like me) prefer alternatives

L1314[21:21:41] <williewillus> no but the question is

L1315[21:21:46] <williewillus> what does the alternative offer you

L1316[21:21:50] <williewillus> that the original does not?

L1317[21:21:58] <GeoDoX> Honestly, I hate IRC with a passion because there isn't a decent client out there

L1318[21:22:06] <williewillus> what's wrong with hc?

L1319[21:22:08] <killjoy> hexchat

L1320[21:22:14] <illy> weechat

L1321[21:22:19] <illy> irssi

L1322[21:22:19] <killjoy> there's just no good mobile client

L1323[21:22:31] <illy> there isnt one for discord either

L1324[21:22:36] <tterrag> GeoDoX: there is a server, but it's quasi-private

L1325[21:22:39] <GeoDoX> imo they look terrible and they're not as easy to use

L1326[21:22:45] <tterrag> if you're a mod dev, just ask though, I can invite you (am admin)

L1327[21:22:46] <killjoy> discord has a official app

L1328[21:23:09] <illy> yes even chris says it sucks :p

L1329[21:23:15] <GeoDoX> tterrag, why not :)

L1330[21:23:20] <killjoy> Better than skype

L1331[21:23:34] <illy> well that just not trying hard :D

L1332[21:23:37] <williewillus> GeoDoX: i mean, what else is there other than "channel list -> esper -> connect -> /join #channel"

L1333[21:23:38] <tterrag> I'll go ahead and just mention this here, if you're a mod dev (new or old :P ) and want to join a discord of other mod devs, go ahead and ping me

L1334[21:24:02] <killjoy> tterrag,

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L1336[21:24:19] <mezz> there's also the ftb subreddit discord

L1337[21:24:44] <tterrag> GeoDoX: killjoy: invite sent

L1338[21:24:55] <tterrag> mezz: yes, but that's more focused on players (mod devs are welcome though!)

L1339[21:25:04] <GeoDoX> williewillus, I only EVER use IRC for modding, which makes IRC pointless for me in the first place

L1340[21:25:04] <tterrag> and it's public, just check the top of /r/feedthebeast

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L1343[21:36:08] <Maxwell> tterrag: I'll take a Discord invite

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L1347[22:04:30] <Naiten> Discord? is there Forge discord now?

L1348[22:07:11] <tterrag> no

L1349[22:07:21] <tterrag> but there is a discord server comprised mostly of other modders

L1350[22:09:49] <Naiten> okay

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