OCLogs: 2016-09-10.log

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L2[00:00:22] <Tazz> uh XD

L3[00:00:32] <Tazz> kay

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L15[00:19:41] <sham1> Dang it

L16[00:19:57] <sham1> That was annoying

L17[00:20:02] <Tazz> XD

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L20[00:21:32] <sham1> Getting banned for "coremodding" when discussing assembly language

L21[00:21:43] <Tazz> ikr

L22[00:21:44] <Tazz> XD

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L24[00:22:21] <RANKSHANK> kek

L25[00:22:39] <sham1> Although, it was probably ambiguous because of the context

L26[00:22:42] <sham1> So I can see why

L27[00:22:57] <Tazz> well Ordinastie_ did link that ASM code XD

L28[00:23:26] <sham1> ASM in airquots

L29[00:23:53] <Tazz> XD

L30[00:25:08] <sham1> Never mind that

L31[00:26:59] <sham1> That was a nice shader

L32[00:27:45] <Ordinastie_> I should just probably thank my lucky star that this ban got lifted when it should

L33[00:28:37] <Ordinastie_> guess I can't really ask for manual lifting of the ban on my bouncer now, though

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L38[00:45:05] <Tazz> sham1, http://i.imgur.com/I9sKP8R.png

L39[00:45:29] <sham1> very fancy

L40[00:45:44] <Tazz> ik hes doing awesoem work with it

L41[00:45:45] <Tazz> XD

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L64[01:59:52] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Pushing snapshot_20160910 mappings to Forge Maven.

L65[01:59:55] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Maven upload successful for mcp_snapshot-20160910-1.10.2.zip (mappings = "snapshot_20160910" in build.gradle).

L66[02:00:06] <MCPBot_Reborn> Semi-live (every 10 min), Snapshot (daily ~3:00 EST), and Stable (committed) MCPBot mapping exports can be found here: http://export.mcpbot.bspk.rs/

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L84[02:27:15] <Ordinastie_> watching a playthrough of a random doom2 wad, and they replaced many sounds with schwarzy quotes, it's awesome

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L120[04:46:42] <SparkVGX> Evening friends, I'm having issues with server not being allocated enough ram when testing. "Can't keep up" errors. How do I assign extra ram in my debug configuration? I have tried this: http://puu.sh/r6dnC/ad6775418e.png

L121[04:48:41] <sham1> Well, it is not a program argument

L122[04:48:44] <sham1> I can tell that much

L123[04:48:52] <PaleoCrafter> and you probably also want -Xms

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L125[04:50:53] <SparkVGX> I didn't think it was program argument, but when it didn't help in vm argument, I didn't see the harm in adding it to test

L126[04:51:02] <SparkVGX> I will try -Xms, thank you :)

L127[04:52:30] <RANKSHANK> "Can't keep up" doesn't always mean a ram bottle neck though. could be disk or CPU oriented as well. Just means your logic thread isn't running fast enough

L128[04:53:37] <SparkVGX> I was afraid of that ^_^;;; It is running off an ssd though

L129[04:53:41] <SparkVGX> Running 10333ms behind, skipping 206 tick(s)

L130[04:54:04] <Ordinastie_> 10s ? that's more than a ram problem

L131[04:54:32] <SparkVGX> http://puu.sh/r6dIo/3b0dfd7690.png

L132[04:54:51] <SparkVGX> I'm running 2 copies of minecraft and one server

L133[04:55:05] <SparkVGX> but the minecraft clients are running off a separate ssd

L134[04:55:35] <Ordinastie_> like RANKSHANK said, it's generally not a RAM issue, it's usually CPU

L135[04:55:58] <Ordinastie_> but that message means one tick took 10s to process

L136[04:56:09] <Ordinastie_> if you're making a mod, that's probably something you idd

L137[04:56:44] <RANKSHANK> 3 instances on a single rig is taxing as well

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L139[04:57:35] <masa> also world gen often causes these warnings

L140[04:57:57] <masa> no matter how beefy rig you run the server on if you fly fast enough and generate new terrain

L141[04:58:54] <SparkVGX> That makes sense ^_^ Thank you all for your help.

L142[05:02:25] <Bottersnike> Summary: Minecraft is a memory whore and there's nothing you can do.

L143[05:02:53] <Ordinastie_> Summary about memory when we just said it's not about memory

L144[05:03:26] <Bottersnike> Also disk whore :D

L145[05:03:52] <Bottersnike> There is no escaping the clutches of it's slownes

L146[05:05:19] <sham1> It's not exactly slow though

L147[05:05:43] <masa> I've never had problems because of disk i/o

L148[05:05:49] <Bottersnike> Nahh, but things like world gen aren't exactly fast.

L149[05:06:04] <masa> it really doesn't use that much disk from what I've seen

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L151[05:06:15] <Bottersnike> "Why don't I have any game audio"... Music was on 0%

L152[05:06:25] <Bottersnike> *Master Volume

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L154[05:16:30] <sham1> diesieben07, are you there?

L155[05:16:36] <sham1> I found a thread to lock

L156[05:17:05] <sham1> http://www.minecraftforge.net/forum/index.php/topic,42087.0.html

L157[05:18:29] <Ordinastie_> hum? I don't have access to that thread

L158[05:18:48] <sham1> Apparently deleted

L159[05:18:52] <sham1> That was fast

L160[05:19:03] <Ordinastie_> aww, didn't even see it :(

L161[05:19:24] <sham1> TLDR person asked help for 1.7.10

L162[05:19:44] <sham1> Because "Other mods are also 1.7.10"

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L177[05:53:19] <ajb> how is it that mods can have block IDs > 4095 and metadata > 15?

L178[05:53:34] <PaleoCrafter> they can?

L179[05:54:17] <ajb> i don't know. when i turn on the extended tooltip, i see numbers like #4156/36

L180[05:54:29] <ajb> where doe those numbers come from?

L181[05:54:44] <Ordinastie_> that's items

L182[05:54:47] <PaleoCrafter> ^

L183[05:55:06] <PaleoCrafter> blocks only are blocks in world, otherwise they're just items

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L185[05:55:35] <ajb> okay but with waila, i look at a block and i see those numbers. how does that work?

L186[05:55:53] <LexLap2> it doesnt provide specifics

L187[05:55:59] <Ordinastie_> they find the corresponding item

L188[05:56:26] <illy> good morning people o/

L189[05:57:54] <PaleoCrafter> ah, Lex, I've updated my fluid placement PR to not be breaking compatibility, it's not really extendable by mods now, but if this one's merged, I'll create another one which implements the breaking change for 1.11

L190[05:57:59] <ajb> Ordinastie_: yes, how does it do that?

L191[05:58:14] <PaleoCrafter> the same thing Vanilla does for middle-clicking a block

L192[05:59:29] <PaleoCrafter> at least by default

L193[06:02:37] <LexLap2> if you havent seen roseanne do so

L194[06:07:29] <ajb> how many bits are the item ID and metadata?

L195[06:11:58] <ajb> 16 bits... okay

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L214[07:24:44] <Bottersnike> Is there an event that gets fired after the world (speficicly the player) has loaded? I found WorldEvent.Load but that claims to fire before the world loads.

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L217[07:27:56] <PaleoCrafter> Bottersnike, which side do you need it for?

L218[07:29:10] <secknv> what's the difference between Minecraft.getMinecraft().ingameGUI.getChatGUI().printChatMessage() and player.addChatMessage() ?

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L221[07:34:47] <Bottersnike> player.addChatMessage sends it as the player

L222[07:35:00] <Bottersnike> I think that .printChatMessage() just directly messages the player

L223[07:36:38] <secknv> but like I've seen player.addChatMessage used to display stuff when player does /help

L224[07:36:51] <Bottersnike> I'm not sure then

L225[07:37:10] <Bottersnike> When I was sending text as the player I used:

L226[07:37:10] <Bottersnike> this.mc.thePlayer.sendChatMessage(msg);

L227[07:37:19] <Bottersnike> And that sent it to the whole serer

L228[07:37:21] <Bottersnike> *server

L229[07:38:32] <secknv> I see

L230[07:38:41] <secknv> I was actually also looking for that

L231[07:39:03] <secknv> but rn I want to like just print on screen stuff

L232[07:39:06] <Bottersnike> I just looked at the source

L233[07:39:17] <Bottersnike> .printChatMessage() is client side only

L234[07:39:25] <Bottersnike> So noone else on the server will see it

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L236[07:40:03] <secknv> what about player.addChatMessage()

L237[07:40:15] <Bottersnike> That sends it to the server to be handeld

L238[07:40:25] <Bottersnike> Why is this.mc.thePlayer returning null?

L239[07:40:40] <secknv> what?

L240[07:40:55] <Bottersnike> I'm binding the WorldEvent.Load but mc.thePlayer is null

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L242[07:42:42] <secknv> wait I just found it on source

L243[07:43:25] <secknv> player.addChatMessage is implemented in EntityPlayerSP as blabla.printChatMessage

L244[07:43:43] <secknv> and on EntityPlayerMP as something that sends packets

L245[07:44:29] <Ordinastie_> addChatMessage just prints the text for you, sendChatMessage send the text to the server to be resent to all other connected player

L246[07:44:41] <Ordinastie_> as if you were writing it yourself in the chat and pressed enter

L247[07:45:42] <secknv> when I enter a world I am an EntityPlayerSP?

L248[07:46:09] <Ordinastie_> depends on context

L249[07:46:16] <Ordinastie_> on the client, yes

L250[07:46:18] <Ordinastie_> on the server, no

L251[07:46:30] <secknv> so if I joint a server I am an entityPlayerMP?

L252[07:46:42] <secknv> join*

L253[07:46:47] <Bottersnike> Will PlayerEvent.PlayerLoggedInEvent fire client side?

L254[07:46:49] <Ordinastie_> <Ordinastie_> depends on context

L255[07:47:02] <Ordinastie_> Bottersnike, check where it's fired

L256[07:47:32] <Bottersnike> Fired?

L257[07:47:41] <Ordinastie_> yes, events are fired

L258[07:47:50] <Ordinastie_> from somewhere

L259[07:47:53] <Ordinastie_> find where

L260[07:47:57] <Bottersnike> Ahh right

L261[07:48:07] <Bottersnike> I was confued by what you meant there

L262[07:49:04] <Bottersnike> Okay, I just tested and it is fired client side

L263[07:49:30] <Ordinastie_> out of curiosity, how did you test ?

L264[07:50:04] <Bottersnike> I put

L265[07:50:05] <Bottersnike> @SubscribeEvent

L266[07:50:05] <Bottersnike> public void onPlayerLoggedInEvent(PlayerEvent.PlayerLoggedInEvent event) {

L267[07:50:10] <Bottersnike> into my event class

L268[07:50:29] <Bottersnike> Then just started MC

L269[07:50:42] <Bottersnike> (With a System.out.println so I could tell it fired)

L270[07:51:00] <Ordinastie_> yes, that doesn't mean it's fired client side

L271[07:51:18] <Ordinastie_> we're talking logical side

L272[07:51:24] <Bottersnike> Well I was running only a client so I would have though that it would be client side? No

L273[07:51:28] <Bottersnike> *No?

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L275[07:51:46] <Ordinastie_> SSP has an integrated server

L276[07:51:53] <Ordinastie_> on a server thread

L277[07:52:01] <Bottersnike> Ahh. Okay

L278[07:52:14] <Ordinastie_> read the docs, I think there is something about sides

L279[07:52:18] <Bottersnike> So is there a way to client side trigger when the player loggs in

L280[07:52:37] <Bottersnike> I want to set the player step height, but WorldEvent.Load is to early to get this.mc.thePlayer

L281[07:53:47] <Bottersnike> Anyone?

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L283[07:59:33] <IoP> !gm func_178510_a

L284[08:00:04] <secknv> what was the channel for the bot again?

L285[08:00:29] <Bottersnike> Huh?

L286[08:00:30] <IoP> !gm func_178503_a

L287[08:00:38] <IoP> can't remember it :/

L288[08:00:47] <Ordinastie_> #mcpbot

L289[08:00:53] <Ordinastie_> or you can PM it here

L290[08:01:09] <secknv> thx

L291[08:01:40] <IoP> PM it here?

L292[08:02:05] <Ordinastie_> well PM it

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L294[08:02:31] <IoP> ohhh

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L302[08:28:34] <raoulvdberge> The mappings snapshot_20160518 are out of date, right?

L303[08:29:04] <raoulvdberge> AFAIK the MDK still has that version?

L304[08:29:45] <Ordinastie_> just use latest mappings available

L305[08:29:52] <Ordinastie_> that means the ones from today

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L312[09:03:39] <Bottersnike> Test

L313[09:04:07] <Bottersnike> Is there a client side PlayerEvent.PlayerLoggedInEvent event?

L314[09:06:39] <Ordinastie_> Bottersnike, your away nick is too long, that's way you couldn't talk

L315[09:13:50] <Bottersnike> Ahh... That makes sence

L316[09:14:03] <Bottersnike> I had to disconnect then set my nick in a different chanel

L317[09:14:14] <Bottersnike> What's the linit?

L318[09:14:16] <Bottersnike> *limit

L319[09:14:32] <PaleoCrafter> 16 characters or something

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L323[09:15:11] <Bottersnike> Okay, Bottersnike|afk is also too long :'(

L324[09:16:09] <Bottersnike> :p player.stepHeight of 16...

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L335[10:10:10] <secknv> so what exactly is EntityPlayerMP?

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L337[10:10:29] <LatvianModder> server side player

L338[10:10:51] <secknv> say I join a server

L339[10:10:53] <secknv> what am I

L340[10:10:55] <LatvianModder> AbstractClientPlayer is client side

L341[10:11:05] <LatvianModder> they both extend EntityPlayer though

L342[10:11:24] <howtonotwin> The player is represented by two different objects, one on each side

L343[10:11:28] <KnightMiner> Most functions that take a player will either hanve EntityPlayerMP or EntityPlayerSP passed along

L344[10:11:59] <howtonotwin> the SP player is the client on, MP is the server one, Other is on the client and represents the other players

L345[10:12:03] <LatvianModder> in case of blocks, its almost always both-sided

L346[10:12:07] <secknv> so basically whenever I play mc there is an EntityPlayerMP and an EntityPlayerSP object for me?

L347[10:12:15] <howtonotwin> yes

L348[10:12:19] <LatvianModder> almost

L349[10:12:42] <howtonotwin> the way methods like addChatMessage and sounds work is that you're supposed to run them on both sides

L350[10:12:51] <LatvianModder> If you join server, obviously you wont have info about server player from client side. And vice-versa. But in singleplayer, all functions are called twice - with SP and MC

L351[10:12:54] <LatvianModder> MP*

L352[10:13:08] <secknv> I looked at addChatMessage

L353[10:13:13] <howtonotwin> the client version of those methods do something for the current player only

L354[10:13:14] <LatvianModder> um no you are not

L355[10:13:35] <LatvianModder> You *can* but you should never print messages withouth checking side. otherwise, it will print them twice

L356[10:13:45] <secknv> it has different implementations on PlayerSP and PlayerMP

L357[10:13:54] <howtonotwin> and the server version sends a message to all players to do the thing

L358[10:13:59] <LatvianModder> Yes, but they do the same anyway

L359[10:14:02] <secknv> for SP is the mc.gui.getchatgui.print ect

L360[10:14:07] <secknv> for MP is something with packets

L361[10:14:14] <secknv> etc*

L362[10:14:16] <howtonotwin> well it works for sounds :P

L363[10:14:31] <LatvianModder> I also play sounds on server side only too

L364[10:14:38] <LatvianModder> Whenever that is available ofc

L365[10:14:44] <masa> wells sounds are weirdly implemented anyway

L366[10:15:00] <LatvianModder> yeah

L367[10:15:02] <masa> I also play sounds only from the server side, byt using a null player/entity

L368[10:15:05] <LatvianModder> also particles. WTF

L369[10:15:17] <LatvianModder> > mojang creates enum

L370[10:15:17] <LatvianModder> > still uses Strings

L371[10:15:22] <secknv> but doesnt addChatMessage print a msg that only the player it was called on can see?

L372[10:15:37] <LatvianModder> yes

L373[10:15:40] <howtonotwin> if you call it on the client only, yes

L374[10:15:51] <masa> huh?

L375[10:15:52] <LatvianModder> if on server side.. still the same

L376[10:15:53] <secknv> so what does PlayerMP version of it do?

L377[10:16:00] <LatvianModder> sends packet to client

L378[10:16:05] <secknv> oh

L379[10:16:14] <secknv> so it tells the client to print that

L380[10:16:17] <LatvianModder> which is better, since you dont need to do any processing on client side

L381[10:16:28] <LatvianModder> Well.. actually it depends

L382[10:16:44] <LatvianModder> if you are dealing with blocks, mostly its best to send message from server side (EntityPlayerMP)

L383[10:16:55] <LatvianModder> or item rightclicks / anything like that

L384[10:17:02] <secknv> yes thats exactly it

L385[10:17:05] <secknv> item rightclick

L386[10:17:32] <secknv> so I should use player.addChatMessage with a serverside check for that?

L387[10:17:32] <LatvianModder> then do if(!worldIn.isRemote) { playerIn.addChatMessage(...); }

L388[10:17:41] <secknv> yes

L389[10:17:57] <secknv> so what about Minecraft.getMinecraft().ingameGUI.getChatGUI().printChatMessage()

L390[10:18:01] <secknv> when should one use that

L391[10:18:03] <LatvianModder> never use that

L392[10:18:08] <LatvianModder> not directly

L393[10:18:10] <secknv> ok xD

L394[10:18:30] <secknv> I was confused about the difference between that and the addChatMessage

L395[10:19:08] <masa> usually only the server knows what actually happaned so that's why it should be the one sending the message

L396[10:19:10] <LatvianModder> there's only one case to use it, really, but only if you add extra argument - an integer. its for chat messages that dont spam, a.k.a, like <tab> in commands etc. you

L397[10:19:20] <LatvianModder> you probably wont need it though

L398[10:20:08] <secknv> one other thing though

L399[10:20:15] <secknv> what is EntityOtherPlayerMP?

L400[10:20:29] <LatvianModder> SP player, but not you

L401[10:20:36] <LatvianModder> all other players that you can see in world

L402[10:21:27] <secknv> so basically all the players in a server are EntityPlayerMP while in the client all that are not me are EntityOtherPlayerMP?

L403[10:21:48] <secknv> and in the same client I am an EntityPlayerSP

L404[10:30:05] <Naiten> Hi everybody. Is there a way to dynamically monitor amounts of packets sent/recieved and which classes are those packets of? 1.7.10

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L406[10:41:51] <Naiten> Somehow my rolling stock causes huge lag right after chunk load, and profiler shows me the most loaded section is root.tick.gameMode.unspecified

L407[10:45:45] <Naiten> And basic search tells me the one and only section "gameMode" happens at Minecraft.runTick() around line 1689, and the only thing happening in this section is this.playerController.updateController();

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L409[10:48:50] <Naiten> While PlayerControllerMP.updateController() basically does networking with this.netClientHandler.getNetworkManager()

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L413[11:09:42] <Naiten> So nobody has idea on root.tick.gameMode? :c

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L421[11:42:43] <LatvianModder> secknv: correct

L422[11:43:04] <secknv> woah

L423[11:43:08] <secknv> thanks

L424[11:43:16] <LatvianModder> that was quick, I know

L425[11:43:38] <secknv> no, I am honestly thanking you, no sarcasm

L426[11:43:40] <LatvianModder> Naiten: I dont think there is, not at least a public way, without hacking code. which would probably cause performance issues

L427[11:44:10] <PaleoCrafter> you could hook into the Netty pipeline and do some monitoring there, Naiten

L428[11:44:30] <LatvianModder> can you do that without interrupting minecraft packets?

L429[11:44:33] <PaleoCrafter> sure

L430[11:44:38] <secknv> I was just surprised because I didn't think you'd come back and still answer that

L431[11:44:58] <LatvianModder> lol. I just didnt have this window open

L432[11:45:02] <PaleoCrafter> it just took LatvianModder so long to figure it out himself :P

L433[11:45:11] <LatvianModder> no <.<

L434[11:45:14] <LatvianModder> >.>

L435[11:45:15] <secknv> lol

L436[11:45:23] <Naiten> LatvianModder, what performace are you talking about? I'm getting literally zero fps while this happens (note that this state endlike after 30-60 seconds most times)

L437[11:45:55] <Naiten> *this state lasts for like 30-60 seconds and then game runs normally

L438[11:46:08] <LatvianModder> is it modpack? Infinity?

L439[11:46:22] <Naiten> LatvianModder, it is my own mod -_-

L440[11:46:26] <Ordinastie_> the easy way would be commenting parts of your code and see what cause it

L441[11:46:29] <LatvianModder> Oh. Welp

L442[11:46:32] <Naiten> without any other mods included at all

L443[11:46:37] <Ordinastie_> or you could use an actual profiler

L444[11:46:41] <Ordinastie_> like VisualVM

L445[11:46:46] <LatvianModder> Buuut you are on 1.7.10.. so.. bye

L446[11:46:52] <Ordinastie_> ah right, I forgot

L447[11:46:53] <Ordinastie_> fuck

L448[11:47:00] <LatvianModder> YOU HELPED. HOW DARE YOU

L449[11:47:20] <Ordinastie_> it your fault

L450[11:47:32] <Naiten> LatvianModder, I'm debugging 1.7 version so that the users can play without problems while i port the mod to 1.10.

L451[11:47:32] <Ordinastie_> you started helping with an irrelevant answer!

L452[11:47:36] <Naiten> -__________-

L453[11:47:38] <LatvianModder> Yā...

L454[11:47:56] <secknv> lol this is one of the funniest things

L455[11:48:01] <LatvianModder> I *guess* that's a valid reason

L456[11:48:10] <secknv> the oldversionhate

L457[11:48:16] <Naiten> �_�

L458[11:48:21] <LatvianModder> Its not hate. Its official end of support

L459[11:48:29] <LatvianModder> Ok, its also hate :P

L460[11:48:38] <Naiten> �_�

L461[11:48:41] <secknv> yes, I get it. no support for 3 year old versions

L462[11:48:51] <LatvianModder> You just wont ever run out of characters, will ya?

L463[11:49:16] <LatvianModder> mines better - ō_ō

L464[11:49:37] <secknv> is this forgechar olympics now

L465[11:49:47] <Ordinastie_> mine's better : .!..

L466[11:50:12] <secknv> ツ

L467[11:50:38] <MalkContent> is it possible to detect if a block is getting destroyed by an explosion?

L468[11:50:52] <PaleoCrafter> 卐

L469[11:50:52] <LatvianModder> You could catch ExplosionEvent

L470[11:51:35] <LatvianModder> PaleoCrafter: Nein.

L471[11:51:39] <MalkContent> maybe as a last resort

L472[11:52:00] <LatvianModder> I dont there is specific event for destroying Each block by explosion

L473[11:52:07] <Naiten> PaleoCrafter, what's about hooking onto the pipeline?

L474[11:52:07] <secknv> ?

L475[11:52:09] <LatvianModder> that would Kill forge bus

L476[11:52:25] <PaleoCrafter> LatvianModder, doch :P

L477[11:52:37] <LatvianModder> Ah! I hate that word. Its all I want in latvian

L478[11:52:51] <PaleoCrafter> haha, yeah, there are few languages with an equivalent

L479[11:52:54] <LatvianModder> We only have yes/no

L480[11:53:06] <secknv> what is doch

L481[11:53:30] <PaleoCrafter> opposition to something, kinda

L482[11:53:38] <LatvianModder> Though we have genders for every object. So you can't even say you are asexual. Because the word has to end with gender-specific vowel :P

L483[11:53:50] <PaleoCrafter> like, "This isn't right" - "Yes it is"

L484[11:54:13] <secknv> what's this with the genders now

L485[11:54:20] <PaleoCrafter> Naiten, you can hook into Netty's pipeline somehow and intercept Vanilla packets

L486[11:54:24] <LatvianModder> Because if you say either yes or no, you basically confirm it. to about it, germans has doch

L487[11:54:31] <PaleoCrafter> yeah

L488[11:54:35] <LatvianModder> avoid*

L489[11:54:52] <PaleoCrafter> well, it isn't avoiding confirmation, actually

L490[11:54:56] <masa> MalkContent: your block or any block?

L491[11:55:09] <MalkContent> my block

L492[11:55:10] <secknv> wait give me an example usage

L493[11:55:23] <masa> I think there is a method in block, something like onBlockExploded()

L494[11:55:29] <PaleoCrafter> I just did :P "This isn't right" - "Yes it is"

L495[11:55:29] <LatvianModder> "This isn't true" - "Yes" - /You agree that it isn't/ ; - "No" - /You still agree that it isn't/

L496[11:55:34] <PaleoCrafter> ^

L497[11:56:09] <PaleoCrafter> First of Latvian's examples would be "Das ist nicht richtig" - "Doch" in German

L498[11:56:10] <secknv> I fail to see where doch comes in

L499[11:56:12] <LatvianModder> thats ofc if you Only use yes/no. You could add "No, it is" and that would work

L500[11:56:20] <MalkContent> derp. yes there is. thanks masa

L501[11:56:34] <droidicus> PaleoCrafter, Lex, I dig into the empty ForgeCaps issue the other day, and found that ``` NBTTagCompound serializedNbt = stack.serializeNBT() ``` is returning an empty ForgeCaps tag (which I don't think it should be)

L502[11:56:45] <LatvianModder> Doch basically is "No, your statement is false" in one word

L503[11:56:48] <PaleoCrafter> ^

L504[11:56:51] <droidicus> I PR'ed JEI to remove it again, but this might be something that should be looked at

L505[11:56:54] <MalkContent> then again

L506[11:56:58] <PaleoCrafter> as I said, basically opposition :P

L507[11:57:15] <PaleoCrafter> submit a PR to Forge, droidicus :P

L508[11:57:26] <MalkContent> gotta experiment with that

L509[11:57:40] <secknv> so is it like when some1 says something and you just yell at them "wrong!"

L510[11:57:53] <LatvianModder> pretty much

L511[11:58:08] <droidicus> PaleoCrafter, that goes to a vanilla call, and I haven't been able to track it back any further then that yet

L512[11:58:23] <droidicus> I don't know if I know the internals well enough to continue with any efficency

L513[11:58:35] <PaleoCrafter> create an issue then :P

L514[11:58:39] <LatvianModder> Heh, I find funny that I used switch() for only 2 cases.. http://ss.latmod.com/pc/2016-09-10_19.58.28.png

L515[11:58:42] <droidicus> k, will do

L516[12:00:10] <secknv> Du wirst nicht kommen? — Doch! wikitionary examples eheh

L517[12:00:16] <Naiten> Ordinastie_, you suggested using VisualVM... Have you ever faced dealing with such lag and fixing it yourself?

L518[12:00:43] <PaleoCrafter> secknv, be aware, however, that "doch" can also mean "but" :P

L519[12:00:49] <Ordinastie_> if my own code causes freezes like that, I usually know why

L520[12:01:25] <secknv> one day imma learn german eheh, it sure sounds like fun

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L522[12:02:00] <Naiten> well, i commented parts where my stock sends regular sync packet from server to client, but the lag still happens

L523[12:02:07] <PaleoCrafter> I don't know what your definition of fun is, but I'd never want to learn German if it wasn't my native language :P

L524[12:02:25] <LatvianModder> german pretty much == english with more gender stuff

L525[12:02:25] <Naiten> secknv, life is to short to learn german

L526[12:02:30] <droidicus> I feel the same way about english...

L527[12:02:45] <secknv> I think adversity to native language is very common ahahah

L528[12:02:55] <LatvianModder> latvian pretty much == german + russian

L529[12:02:59] <Naiten> ich mochte ein Zug und zwei dampflokomotive

L530[12:03:05] <Naiten> *D

L531[12:03:11] <LatvianModder> and it sports being one of the hardest languages there is \o/

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L534[12:04:06] <secknv> hardest you say?

L535[12:04:20] <secknv> might have to put latvian next in queue

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L537[12:04:38] <PaleoCrafter> *Ich möchte einen Zug und zwei Dampflokomotiven, Naiten :P

L538[12:04:55] <PaleoCrafter> dem genders and plurals be hard

L539[12:05:18] <LatvianModder> oh, sweet. we are in the table! \o/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_words#Latvian

L540[12:05:37] <secknv> gg

L541[12:06:01] <PaleoCrafter> too bad that Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz isn't technically a word anymore

L542[12:06:08] <PaleoCrafter> (I wrote that from memory, duh :P)

L543[12:06:36] <sham1> Meh

L544[12:06:44] <Naiten> PaleoCrafter, Deutsche Sprache ist meine Heimatssprache nicht, and I don't know thing about how correct that phrase was

L545[12:07:09] <Naiten> ?\_(?)_/?

L546[12:07:20] <sham1> As long as you don't need to deal with "lentokonesuihkuturbiinimoottoriapumekaanikkoaliupseerioppilas", you're fine

L547[12:07:22] <secknv> well in my country a political party actually spread billboards around the capital with "Eine Regierung, die deutscher als die deutsche ist" on them

L548[12:07:24] <PaleoCrafter> I was just nitpicking, you're pretty good :P

L549[12:07:30] <secknv> and a photo of our PM at the time

L550[12:07:38] <secknv> with merkel

L551[12:07:43] <secknv> care to guess where I live

L552[12:07:47] <LatvianModder> "..und ich weiB (sorry) nicht wie fiel das richtig war." close enough?

L553[12:08:15] <PaleoCrafter> -fiel (would be viel anyways) :P

L554[12:08:23] <LatvianModder> oi

L555[12:08:45] <PaleoCrafter> and stylistically, "ich weiß nicht, inwieweit das richtig war" probably is better

L556[12:08:50] <LatvianModder> I Always fail (vail!) with these. it Sounds like F so I put F :P

L557[12:09:05] <Naiten> Eszett! How could you use B instead -_-

L558[12:09:15] <LatvianModder> IM SORRY

L559[12:09:19] <LatvianModder> I dont have that on keyboard :D

L560[12:09:23] <PaleoCrafter> they look alike? :P

L561[12:09:35] <LatvianModder> oh oh

L562[12:09:38] <sham1> Well you could just say "ss" when you mean eszett

L563[12:09:40] <LatvianModder> since its double s

L564[12:09:52] <LatvianModder> i should use that symbol for my screenshots, ss.latmod.com domain

L565[12:10:02] <secknv> we call it beta lol

L566[12:10:04] <LatvianModder> that would.. look helluva werid

L567[12:10:05] <PaleoCrafter> you could also write sz xD

L568[12:10:15] <PaleoCrafter> secknv, nah, that isn't a beta at all :P

L569[12:10:19] <secknv> I know

L570[12:10:24] <LatvianModder> oh Right.. thats Beta.. how could I forget.. *goes in shame corner*

L571[12:10:34] <PaleoCrafter> β ß totally different

L572[12:10:47] <sham1> Why are we talking about German now?

L573[12:10:55] <secknv> because this is the forge irc

L574[12:11:03] <LatvianModder> oh.. wait, those are 2 different symbols? now I is confused

L575[12:11:16] <PaleoCrafter> lol, of course there are :P

L576[12:11:22] <PaleoCrafter> ß evolved from sz

L577[12:11:26] <secknv> and there was a german teacher in my school who called that "the beta letter"

L578[12:11:39] <PaleoCrafter> β just is beta

L579[12:11:52] <Naiten> Alpha Betta Gamma Delta, Erma, Idkka, Whatta, Goessa, Afta

L580[12:11:54] <PaleoCrafter> which evolved from some phoenician letter

L581[12:12:48] <secknv> german beta is best beta

L582[12:13:17] <Naiten> ^ eine besten Beta

L583[12:13:46] <PaleoCrafter> but it doesn't look at all like a Beta, it doesn't have a descender q.q

L584[12:13:50] <secknv> german is fun because I have no idea whether it's das, die or der

L585[12:14:01] <secknv> beste, besten or bestaffhseykm

L586[12:14:10] <sham1> Grammatical genders make no sense

L587[12:15:28] <secknv> 2k16 is a bad time to speak german

L588[12:15:38] <sham1> >2k16

L589[12:15:41] <secknv> everyone be like "did you just assume my gender?!!"

L590[12:15:53] <sham1> What's wrong with using 0 instead of the k

L591[12:16:02] <sham1> The length is the same anyway

L592[12:16:19] <secknv> 2k16 is dank meme

L593[12:16:43] <Ordinastie_> no it's not, here is a door take it -> [ -]

L594[12:16:46] <PaleoCrafter> in most non-monospace fonts, 0 probably is slimmer xD

L595[12:17:01] <sham1> It takes the same amount of chars

L596[12:17:05] <sham1> happy?

L597[12:17:24] <PaleoCrafter> I just supported your argument :P

L598[12:18:05] <sham1> Anyway

L599[12:18:08] <secknv> as it is stated in the official book of grammar, one must always use 2k16 for informal criticising

L600[12:18:23] <secknv> of meme'd behaviours

L601[12:18:40] <sham1> I don't remember Oxford making any claim like that

L602[12:19:10] <secknv> you must have missed the memo written by pepe himself

L603[12:19:33] <sham1> Oh no, make the memes stop

L604[12:19:57] <secknv> shh they're gone already

L605[12:20:01] <secknv> it's all over now

L606[12:20:28] <PaleoCrafter> not to say "it's all ogre now", amirite?

L607[12:20:52] <secknv> amirite, now that sounds like a nice ore name

L608[12:21:00] <sham1> Ds out...

L609[12:21:08] * Naiten can't tell if there's one person or two speaking above ^

L610[12:21:32] <sham1> For a monkey that was not even relevant for anything before the meme became a thing

L611[12:22:04] <secknv> lol

L612[12:22:07] <PaleoCrafter> APE, for fuck's sake

L613[12:22:34] <sham1> Apes are a subset of mokeys

L614[12:22:35] <heldplayer> Let's go ape Max

L615[12:22:43] <sham1> monkeys*

L616[12:22:44] <sham1> FFS

L617[12:23:34] <Naiten> i suppose something is wrong with me, since this kind of videos doesn't seem funny anymore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_xUIDRxdmc

L618[12:23:56] <secknv> it was never funny

L619[12:24:33] <sham1> Meanwhile, even German sounds more sane to other Indo-Europeans than Finnish

L620[12:25:21] <sham1> Probably because Finnish is not Indo-European, but whatever

L621[12:25:26] <secknv> is finish the one where they cut the "o"s

L622[12:25:39] <sham1> Erm, never heard of that

L623[12:25:47] <sham1> Explain

L624[12:26:14] <secknv> wait is it danish

L625[12:26:19] <secknv> Ø

L626[12:26:20] <sham1> And Norwegian

L627[12:26:23] <sham1> ye

L628[12:26:34] <PaleoCrafter> sham1, I think both apes and monkeys belong to the same suborder of primates but are mutally exclusive branches :P

L629[12:26:37] <secknv> y'all nords are confusing to me

L630[12:26:49] <sham1> We inherited the Swedish letters of å, ä, and ö

L631[12:27:12] <sham1> Where Å is completely redundant

L632[12:27:46] <secknv> wee I know that

L633[12:27:53] <secknv> thats how you write angstrom

L634[12:28:26] <sham1> Ångström

L635[12:28:43] <secknv> I have a us keyboard ahaha

L636[12:28:52] <sham1> US International god damn it

L637[12:29:03] <secknv> I can type my native because I know all the keys by heart

L638[12:29:24] <secknv> but I really struggle with keys I dont usually use ahaha

L639[12:29:52] <sham1> I've actually thought of getting an US keyboard because I really seldom type Finnish with a computer

L640[12:30:09] <sham1> And I would have stuff like braces placed sanely

L641[12:30:34] <secknv> yes since I bought this keyboard it's been awesome for programming

L642[12:30:45] <secknv> every symbol is so handy

L643[12:30:54] <secknv> <>[]{} stuff like these

L644[12:31:00] <PaleoCrafter> I considered learning Programmer's Dvorak, but writing German on it isn't exactly nice

L645[12:31:23] <sham1> There is no such thing as a nice Dvorak for non-US layouts

L646[12:31:24] <secknv> on the portuguese keyboard it's also a mess for the brackets

L647[12:31:52] <sham1> Although a keyboard I would want to import would have to be mechanical

L648[12:32:07] <sham1> I just cannot type with a normal keyboard anymore

L649[12:32:34] <sham1> It does not have the same feel

L650[12:32:37] <Naiten> my eyes are starting to hurt http://i.imgur.com/27b4ss3.png

L651[12:32:55] <PaleoCrafter> get colored nicknames :P

L652[12:33:00] <PaleoCrafter> and a monospace font

L653[12:33:07] <sham1> Well your fault using a white background at night

L654[12:33:21] <Naiten> PaleoCrafter, dat epilepsy

L655[12:33:28] <PaleoCrafter> wat#

L656[12:33:29] <secknv> lol it doesnt hurt for me cus my name is red ahaha

L657[12:33:43] <sham1> I really love incosolata for any kind of typing

L658[12:33:51] <sham1> Who said that monospaced cannot look good

L659[12:34:21] <secknv> also since I got this mechanical keyboard I feel like I can never go back lol

L660[12:34:30] <sham1> Yeah man

L661[12:34:34] <secknv> people around complaining about typing noise all day ahaha

L662[12:34:37] <Naiten> welp, serifs is just something i like for a text

L663[12:34:38] <secknv> but I love it

L664[12:34:40] <sham1> Mechanical keyboards are where it's at

L665[12:34:45] <Naiten> monospace is for coding

L666[12:35:04] <PaleoCrafter> monospace and serifs aren't mutually exclusive?

L667[12:35:10] <sham1> ^

L668[12:35:29] <Naiten> i haven't seen any font to have both >_>

L669[12:35:38] <sham1> Anyway, I just like monospace better because it tends to be clearer thanks to being usually for programming

L670[12:35:41] <sham1> Although

L671[12:35:59] <sham1> https://github.com/belluzj/fantasque-sans

L672[12:36:11] <sham1> This is one monospace font I can't look at

L673[12:36:24] <sham1> The letter 'k' looks off

L674[12:37:57] <Ordinastie_> there is a variant without the loops for the K

L675[12:38:19] <sham1> Indeed

L676[12:38:28] <PaleoCrafter> I don't have anything against the 'k', but imo fonts like this one only look good at one specific size, which usually is bigger than my personal taste

L677[12:38:30] <sham1> But I am too lazy for that

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L679[12:39:04] <sham1> I personally like large text, even though my eyesight is very good'

L680[12:39:22] <Naiten> Monospace fonts were created as a walk-around caused by typewriters' imperfection .-.

L681[12:39:27] <sham1> Having somewhat large resolution

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L693[12:42:50] <secknv> ugh I just tried a couple of themes with black/darker bg

L694[12:43:01] <secknv> but the colour balance was completly off for me xD

L695[12:43:11] <PaleoCrafter> pure black never is good :P

L696[12:43:22] <secknv> back to default I am

L697[12:43:54] <secknv> I tried one with the same tone as intellij's dracula bg

L698[12:44:12] <secknv> but the other colours were too derp for that nice bg

L699[12:44:22] <secknv> maybe I'll try and fix them for me one day

L700[12:45:22] <Naiten> PaleoCrafter, ich had pure black desktop for like 5 years -.-

L701[12:45:33] <Naiten> because minimalism

L702[12:45:36] <PaleoCrafter> lol

L703[12:46:39] <sham1> zenburn is a very good

L704[12:46:47] <sham1> colourscheme for stuff

L705[12:46:59] <secknv> imma try that rn

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L707[12:47:18] <Naiten> also, remember that "these new Win7 bells and whistles of transparency are ripping my performance" talk?

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L709[12:47:36] <secknv> sham1 <3

L710[12:47:48] <secknv> love it lol

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L713[12:56:18] <Naiten> Once apon a time I discovered WriteMonkey and it was good like no thing before. No acceptable zenware was found anymore by me :/

L714[12:56:29] <Naiten> Google just shows crap

L715[13:01:10] <Naiten> since that time i feel urge for zenware, but can't even tell which exactly D:

L716[13:01:29] <sham1> https://github.com/pedropenna/Intellij-Zenburn

L717[13:02:16] <secknv> legiiiiiiiit

L718[13:03:22] <sham1> It also is found for VIM and Emacs

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L720[13:03:39] <sham1> Well, it was first in Vim

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L722[13:04:24] <secknv> I keep hearing how vim is so awesome

L723[13:04:36] <secknv> but I havent found the time to try and learn more about it yet xd

L724[13:06:00] <Naiten> what is vim?

L725[13:06:25] <secknv> a text editor

L726[13:07:03] <Naiten> heil NP++

L727[13:07:30] <sham1> Not cross-platform

L728[13:08:24] <Naiten> me being a win-gnome not getting anything other

L729[13:08:54] <PaleoCrafter> Sublime Text is available for Windows, isn't it?

L730[13:09:00] <secknv> yes

L731[13:09:04] <secknv> I have it lol

L732[13:09:24] <sham1> But it's ST

L733[13:09:29] <secknv> what's more lol is I have it on my windows but dont have it on my linux

L734[13:10:22] <Naiten> secknv, why would you use several platforms? o3o

L735[13:11:56] <secknv> because 1-I really don't like windows and 2-I use kali

L736[13:12:08] <secknv> on my laptop

L737[13:12:43] <secknv> but for pc games, windows is still on top

L738[13:14:07] <sham1> Kali

L739[13:14:12] <sham1> Interesting indeed

L740[13:15:26] <secknv> I know I sound like a 1.7 mc guy saying how he's still on 1.7 because "all the mods" are 1.7

L741[13:15:50] <sham1> Indeed

L742[13:15:58] <secknv> and that the more I stick with windows the less I help the game scenario change

L743[13:17:25] <secknv> still I'm pretty sure microsoft is bound to push me over the edge real soon

L744[13:18:34] <secknv> no pun intended

L745[13:18:50] <secknv> but I really hate stuff like programs you can't unninstall

L746[13:19:21] <IoP> like windows?

L747[13:21:23] <secknv> idk which other OS doesnt allow me to unninstall xbox app without recurring to 3rdparty soft

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L750[13:22:17] <PaleoCrafter> I'd say the Xbox OS, but that's windows based xD

L751[13:23:07] <secknv> I am so glad my parents never gave me an Xbox

L752[13:23:18] <secknv> I could be a windows fanboy by now

L753[13:23:54] <Naiten> well, it was nice to converse with you, ppl, now i gotta leave, bye

L754[13:23:58] <secknv> just imagine carrying a phone with microsoft etched on it

L755[13:24:02] <secknv> o/

L756[13:24:21] <secknv> i'd be surprised if they didnt record my every call and sold it to nsa

L757[13:24:23] <sham1> You mean Nokia

L758[13:24:40] <PaleoCrafter> the phone would be too hard to etch anything in

L759[13:25:46] <secknv> http://goo.gl/SOj8ef this is what I mean

L760[13:26:03] <secknv> I had a nokia once

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L763[13:26:32] <secknv> then I lost it and got a samsung

L764[13:27:56] <secknv> I hate the way microsoft wants to be your everything

L765[13:28:10] <gigaherz> google and apple did it first

L766[13:28:12] <gigaherz> and people liked it

L767[13:28:20] <gigaherz> but for some reason when Microsoft does it everyone's annoyed ;P

L768[13:28:21] <secknv> apple is shh

L769[13:28:26] <secknv> not even speak about it

L770[13:28:40] <heldplayer> Because Google or Apple does it in a way the consumer wants it

L771[13:28:46] <gigaherz> I'm just pointing out the incongruency and double standards ;P

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L773[13:28:54] <secknv> if my mother was my daughter I'd disinherit her for being apple fanboy

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L775[13:28:56] <heldplayer> Just like Microsoft does it the way some of the consumers want

L776[13:28:58] <gigaherz> heldplayer: lol no, apple keep fucking over the consumers

L777[13:29:01] <gigaherz> they just know how to sell it

L778[13:29:15] <heldplayer> Ok, maybe in the past they dind't gigaherz :P

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L780[13:29:43] <secknv> I still hate how google wants to be my everything

L781[13:29:53] <secknv> but since I'm a relatively young guy

L782[13:30:03] <secknv> when I got into this world google was already doing that

L783[13:30:11] <secknv> and I still had windows xp

L784[13:30:45] <secknv> so I guess my hate is also disappointment at microsoft

L785[13:32:06] <secknv> but I mean everyone has their tastes

L786[13:32:41] <secknv> and of course a universal thing is appealing to most people, for being so practical

L787[13:32:48] <heldplayer> Maybe I would like Apple if they weren't such a terrible company

L788[13:33:05] <secknv> that's why we have 10+ international standards of anything

L789[13:34:41] <secknv> imo diversity is good because everyone has different likes&hates

L790[13:35:36] <gigaherz> when I grew up

L791[13:36:00] <secknv> the steam engine was invented

L792[13:36:01] <gigaherz> everyone used Windows, Unix was stuff in universities, Linux was this thing hipster-nerds would use

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L794[13:36:24] <gigaherz> and google was just getting started

L795[13:36:28] <gigaherz> as a search engine

L796[13:36:44] <secknv> so I did get it right

L797[13:36:48] <gigaherz> I didn't use google until way way later

L798[13:36:49] <secknv> compared to me that is

L799[13:36:56] <secknv> ahaha

L800[13:36:56] <gigaherz> it was mostly yahoo

L801[13:37:08] <secknv> Oh I have heard tales of those times

L802[13:37:09] <gigaherz> or altavista

L803[13:37:29] <gigaherz> (was bought by yahoo)

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L805[13:37:35] <secknv> when yahoo actually had a huge share of that market

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L807[13:40:13] <KnightMiner> Can I assume people will use BlockCrops for standard crops? It has a function to get the seed item which I could really use

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L809[13:42:05] <secknv> gigaherz I was born in '98 and didn't start messing with computers seriously till at least 2008

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L811[13:43:48] <secknv> before that I spent my days playing minesweeper on my mom's winxp machine

L812[13:44:10] <gigaherz> secknv: '84 here, i had my first computer when I was 13, dialup internet by 14

L813[13:44:23] <gigaherz> back then, you had to know what you'd browse BEFORE dialing

L814[13:44:28] <gigaherz> cos time literally was money ;p

L815[13:44:34] <LatvianModder> secknv: same here! *high-five*

L816[13:44:38] <PaleoCrafter> and by 15, your life was a wreck

L817[13:44:39] <LatvianModder> just one year offset. 97 here

L818[13:44:50] <gigaherz> $1/minute -- in 1990s money ;P

L819[13:44:55] <secknv> lol

L820[13:45:04] <gigaherz> eh per hour sorry

L821[13:45:09] <secknv> I used to have dialup back in the days

L822[13:45:24] <secknv> but it wasnt that expensive anymore

L823[13:45:51] <LatvianModder> actually even later than 2008 in my case. I spent a lot of time outside. When all my friends went missing, I found out that they started using these Computer machines. I had one at home but I never really used it. Sad lyf :P

L824[13:46:13] <secknv> my biggest concern with internet at the was not accidentally opening the browser in my mobile phone

L825[13:46:23] <secknv> or I'd get seriously yelled at by my mother

L826[13:46:45] <secknv> at the time*

L827[13:47:34] <secknv> LatvianModder I guess the real sad lyf is me who didnt really have any friends to hang out with ahaha

L828[13:47:49] <secknv> they all lived so far away from me

L829[13:48:20] <PaleoCrafter> will this turn into Four Yorkshiremen now? :P

L830[13:48:51] <secknv> monty python pls

L831[13:49:29] <secknv> but you know, we were happy in those days

L832[13:49:47] <LatvianModder> 21:46:25 <secknv> my biggest concern with internet at the was not accidentally opening the browser in my mobile phone

L833[13:49:50] <LatvianModder> I can relate

L834[13:49:54] <LatvianModder> A lot

L835[13:50:33] <LatvianModder> 2 euro was something So much back then. Every game I downloaded was about 20-50 cents

L836[13:51:37] <secknv> the funny thing is I have never really seen big infrastructure construction in my city

L837[13:51:44] <PaleoCrafter> you *downloaded* games?

L838[13:51:49] <secknv> and now they give me 3gb per month free

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L840[13:52:09] <secknv> lol I'm with Paleo on this

L841[13:52:38] <secknv> just opening google was enough for me to spam the back key like I never spammed anything in my life

L842[13:53:00] <PaleoCrafter> we were happy if we found a few sticks in the woods to play with, if our father let us stop cutting the wood

L843[13:54:56] <secknv> luxury! those few sticks were all we had to eat after working 20hours a day after cleaning the lake we lived in at 3am

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L850[14:18:57] <zuul4242> hello

L851[14:20:02] <secknv> it's me

L852[14:22:49] <PaleoCrafter> I was wondering if after all these years

L853[14:26:01] <illy> >.>

L854[14:26:16] <PaleoCrafter> :3

L855[14:28:38] <secknv> respect for paleo

L856[14:28:42] <LatvianModder> I didnt know what google was in 2008. I knew like 2 sites where you could download .jar games

L857[14:30:40] <illy> Google has both saved me and ruined me

L858[14:31:38] <illy> I used to look things up in an arcane place called a library

L859[14:31:55] <PaleoCrafter> how dare you name that place in here?

L860[14:32:32] <illy> I am sorry to offend I sometimes forget the old ways are forbidden

L861[14:32:49] <secknv> excuse me

L862[14:33:20] <secknv> books are eternal

L863[14:33:46] <secknv> screw your waterless clouds and your inkless pens

L864[14:34:04] <PaleoCrafter> once books are digitised, they're potentially eternal, yes .P

L865[14:34:26] <illy> ink? watered clouds? secknv is a witch!

L866[14:34:38] <IoP> how long time is eternal?

L867[14:34:52] <secknv> while(true)

L868[14:35:19] <IoP> good luck with finding ink for that:P

L869[14:36:08] <IoP> maybe in vacuum without gravity and radiation

L870[14:36:13] <secknv> last I heard all I gotta do is make a big pool and squids'll come derping out of it right away

L871[14:36:52] <LatvianModder> !gf

L872[14:37:06] <LatvianModder> !gf ITextComponent.Serializer GSON

L873[14:37:19] <LatvianModder> crap. How do I find a field of subclass?

L874[14:37:23] <LatvianModder> !gf ITextComponent#Serializer GSON

L875[14:38:02] <secknv> !!findf ITextComponent#Serializer GSON

L876[14:38:02] <MCPBot_Reborn> +++ FIELDS +++

L877[14:38:03] <MCPBot_Reborn> No results found.

L878[14:38:20] <secknv> try that

L879[14:38:33] <LatvianModder> no results

L880[14:38:56] <IoP> no results for gf search? :/

L881[14:38:57] <LatvianModder> ey$a.a => ITextComponent$Serializer.GSON [ field_150700_a ]

L882[14:39:03] <LatvianModder> thanks

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L886[14:42:41] <illy> IoP, some say thats the hardest thing to find

L887[14:43:49] <IoP> harder than iridium?

L888[14:44:07] <secknv> try gregtech

L889[14:44:16] <secknv> everything becomes harder than iridium

L890[14:45:28] <secknv> iridium becomes harder that itself, a new concept developed by GregoriusIndustries

L891[14:45:52] <LatvianModder> lol

L892[14:46:09] <LatvianModder> iridium can't be found

L893[14:46:18] <LatvianModder> iirc, it only comes from space on meteors

L894[14:46:27] <LatvianModder> Science!

L895[14:46:56] <secknv> a max size quarry gets 1-2 iridium ore

L896[14:47:07] <LatvianModder> *ore*

L897[14:47:12] <LatvianModder> Diamond ORE

L898[14:47:26] <LatvianModder> Iridium ORE. Yeah... Minecraft is funny

L899[14:47:48] <secknv> well diamond ore is funny

L900[14:47:53] <secknv> but iridium ore is legit

L901[14:47:58] <secknv> brb dinner

L902[14:49:12] <LatvianModder> Iridum ore doesnt exist

L903[14:49:39] <LatvianModder> not the way iron, copper and other ores do

L904[14:52:11] <LatvianModder> cant find any info about it.. damn you internet! Stop showing me pictures of IC2 ore! :P

L905[14:52:56] <PaleoCrafter> well, according to Wikipedia, ore is a material that contains a sufficient amount of mineral to be mined commercially

L906[14:55:06] <LatvianModder> "Iridium is found in meteorites with an abundance much higher than its average abundance in Earth's crust"

L907[14:55:22] <LatvianModder> I think I read that only 3 tonnes have been industrially processed so far

L908[14:55:43] <LatvianModder> and iron had 1,100,000,000 tonnes a YEAR

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L910[14:56:43] <PaleoCrafter> I guess that knocks out the "mined commercially" criterion xD

L911[14:57:12] <LatvianModder> well it is mined.. from an asteroid :P

L912[14:57:24] <LatvianModder> or more like.. a crater of it I guess

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L920[15:19:21] <droidicus> wow, ~2 orders of magnitude rarer than Gold, and ~1.5 orders of magnitude of rarer than Platinum

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L923[15:24:59] <secknv> nonono

L924[15:25:32] <secknv> ore is any naturally occuring solid material from which a metal or valuable mineral can be extracted profitable

L925[15:25:36] <secknv> bly*

L926[15:26:14] <PaleoCrafter> yeah, hence the question is how profitable current Iridium mining is :P

L927[15:26:31] <gigaherz> or how high a concentration needs to be for it to be profitable

L928[15:26:37] <secknv> iridium does come like copper -> in a compound

L929[15:27:16] <secknv> it actually can be frequently found naturally in alloys with raw copper

L930[15:27:28] <secknv> as with all the platinum group metals

L931[15:27:39] <PaleoCrafter> that doesn't answer the question :P

L932[15:28:01] <diesieben07> ok, i need some rendering advice :D i am scaling the minecraft font using glScale(.5, .5, .5). now of course the Fontrenderer's positioning is off. how do i need to translate to make it work again?

L933[15:28:26] <PaleoCrafter> uhm... twice the value you'd use normally?

L934[15:28:55] <gigaherz> you ahve to translate so that the center is at 0,0, then multiply by 2, then translate using the new scale

L935[15:28:56] <diesieben07> ok :D thought about it too hard.

L936[15:29:10] <diesieben07> just translating by x and y works

L937[15:29:13] <diesieben07> thanks :D

L938[15:29:28] <PaleoCrafter> you're welcome

L939[15:29:52] <PaleoCrafter> if you want to do anything in the original coordinate space, just invert all transforms :P

L940[15:30:05] <diesieben07> huh?

L941[15:30:22] <LatvianModder> means translate -x, -y -z

L942[15:30:36] <diesieben07> to undo the translation? yes i know tha t:P

L943[15:30:48] <LatvianModder> but why would you do that when you can just pushMatrix() and popMatrix() and be sure to not mess with translations :P

L944[15:30:51] <PaleoCrafter> yeah, and for scaling it's just the reciprocal of the used scale

L945[15:31:00] <diesieben07> yeah i just push and pop :D

L946[15:31:27] <LatvianModder> puš and pop, puš and pop ♬

L947[15:32:14] <PaleoCrafter> well, I was specifically talking about achieving the original coordinate space without throwing away your transformations

L948[15:32:41] <secknv> iridium is highly procured for it's rare properties so ofc mining it is profitable

L949[15:34:06] <secknv> currently at ~650usd/31.1 grams (or in murican: per troy ounce)

L950[15:34:23] <PaleoCrafter> still doesn't answer the question, it only is profitable if the extraction is cheaper than that :P

L951[15:34:32] <secknv> dude

L952[15:34:47] <secknv> if they buy it at that price ofc extraction is cheaper

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L954[15:35:09] <secknv> iridium production is a massive international business

L955[15:36:10] <secknv> because it's so rare a resource

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L957[15:38:47] <diesieben07> ok now... 2nd question. i am drawing a gradient using the tessellator/vertexbuffer thingy. of course it now has visible steps because of the GUI scaling. i tried inverting that using scale(1/scaleFactor...) and then drawing the bigger gradient, but it does not seem to work.

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L959[15:39:23] <PaleoCrafter> i.e. the steps don't get smaller?

L960[15:39:36] <diesieben07> yup

L961[15:39:42] <PaleoCrafter> and I assume you're drawing it using GL_SMOOTH shading?

L962[15:39:45] <diesieben07> yes.

L963[15:39:58] <diesieben07> shadeModel(GL_SMOOTH);

L964[15:40:18] <diesieben07> http://i.imgur.com/ML5UmSj.png

L965[15:40:30] <diesieben07> that's what it looks like even when trying to invert the scaling

L966[15:40:38] <PaleoCrafter> ah, the colour difference just is too small

L967[15:40:55] <diesieben07> what? srsl? :D

L968[15:41:03] <diesieben07> 16million colors? :D

L969[15:41:08] <diesieben07> or smth?

L970[15:41:15] <PaleoCrafter> since it's grey, you're limited to 255 :P

L971[15:41:31] <diesieben07> goddamnit

L972[15:41:37] <diesieben07> no way to fix that, right? :D

L973[15:41:39] <PaleoCrafter> 16 million colours just comes from 255^3 :P

L974[15:42:12] <PaleoCrafter> there is a method to fake it, called dithering

L975[15:42:33] <diesieben07> i know

L976[15:42:40] <diesieben07> i know dithering

L977[15:42:58] <diesieben07> how can one do dithering? :D

L978[15:43:01] <PaleoCrafter> apparently OGL supports it out of the box, just enable GL_DITHER xD

L979[15:43:30] <PaleoCrafter> also, it's 256 and 256^3, forgot about 0 :D

L980[15:43:33] <diesieben07> kewl, let me try that

L981[15:44:51] <diesieben07> absolutely 0 difference between GL_DITHER on and off...

L982[15:45:10] <diesieben07> "and no-op implementation of GL_DITHER on most OpenGL implementations" - fuck me

L983[15:45:19] <diesieben07> why is everything so broken

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L985[15:45:57] <PaleoCrafter> shader the shit out of it: https://github.com/hughsk/glsl-dither xD

L986[15:46:45] <diesieben07> meh not worth it

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L988[15:47:18] <PaleoCrafter> the banding isn't *that* noticeable in your image

L989[15:47:39] <PaleoCrafter> and think positively, it gives your GUI a Minecraft feel :P

L990[15:47:40] <diesieben07> i notice it :D

L991[15:47:45] <diesieben07> oh god :D

L992[15:47:52] <diesieben07> minecraft feel is nice, but not in gradients pls

L993[15:48:04] <PaleoCrafter> Ah, with f.lux disabled it's much more noticeable

L994[15:48:08] <PaleoCrafter> but now my eyes burn q.q

L995[15:48:45] <diesieben07> haha

L996[15:50:10] <PaleoCrafter> it's quite fascinating what a difference it makes xD

L997[15:50:59] <diesieben07> i think i'll just use these colors instead: http://i.imgur.com/Oo3efpj.png

L998[15:51:04] <diesieben07> butter smooth and pretty

L999[15:51:22] <PaleoCrafter> that made my eyes burn worse than disabling f.lux

L1000[15:51:26] <diesieben07> haha

L1001[15:51:53] <PaleoCrafter> at least have the decency to not use 100% red and blue xD

L1002[15:52:03] <diesieben07> shuu it was a test :P

L1003[15:52:12] <diesieben07> to test if my "invert the scaling" thing worked in principle

L1004[15:52:48] <PaleoCrafter> I don't think it'd actually have much of an impact, since the gradient happens further down the pipeline

L1005[15:52:55] <diesieben07> really?

L1006[15:52:58] <diesieben07> maybe :D

L1007[15:53:10] <PaleoCrafter> it's probably only calculated in the fragment shader or something

L1008[15:53:42] <diesieben07> let me check.

L1009[15:53:52] <PaleoCrafter> nice looking buttons btw

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L1011[15:54:40] <diesieben07> didn't make them, but thanks :P

L1012[15:54:45] <diesieben07> i just do the dirtywork

L1013[15:54:56] <diesieben07> you are right btw, my "fix" does jack shit

L1014[15:55:45] <PaleoCrafter> that makes me wonder whether there's a non-shader way of forcing "only do n colour steps" xD

L1015[15:55:56] <diesieben07> draw n rectangles

L1016[15:55:57] <diesieben07> lol

L1017[15:56:04] <PaleoCrafter> apart from that :P

L1018[15:56:15] <PaleoCrafter> inb4 draw 2*n triangles

L1019[15:58:35] <ajb> draw to a low bit depth texture

L1020[15:58:58] <PaleoCrafter> I guess that's an option

L1021[15:59:28] <ajb> but really, modern OGL can't draw anything at all without shaders

L1022[15:59:34] <ajb> so you might as well just do that

L1023[15:59:54] <PaleoCrafter> m8, we're talking MC :P

L1024[16:00:27] <ajb> oh. what GL version does it use?

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L1026[16:01:01] <PaleoCrafter> 2.1 iirc

L1027[16:01:06] <gigaherz> depends on your machine

L1028[16:01:10] <PaleoCrafter> ah, right

L1029[16:01:16] <gigaherz> can work with 1.4 iirc

L1030[16:01:23] <ajb> wow, that's pretty old

L1031[16:01:33] <PaleoCrafter> didn't they say at some point though that 2.1 will be a requirement?

L1032[16:02:15] <PaleoCrafter> https://help.mojang.com/customer/en/portal/articles/1307761-future-opengl-support

L1033[16:02:24] <PaleoCrafter> that even mentions the plugin API xd

L1034[16:04:10] <PaleoCrafter> it's amazing that there haven't been any shitty art submissions for the contest yet xD

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L1036[16:06:03] <ajb> so my question about item IDs earlier was actually in relation to shadermod

L1037[16:06:25] <ajb> it passes the block ID to the vertex shader, so it only really works with vanilla items

L1038[16:06:32] <ajb> at least i think that's how it works

L1039[16:07:02] <PaleoCrafter> It should be passing string IDs

L1040[16:07:08] <ajb> to a shader?

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L1042[16:08:21] <PaleoCrafter> Oh, yeah lol xD

L1043[16:08:42] <ajb> right... so that's the problem... string IDs are the only thing that's fixed.. but you can't really parse strings in a shader

L1044[16:09:00] <ajb> you probably could with enough effort but it's not ideal

L1045[16:09:20] <PaleoCrafter> Why does it even pass the ID?

L1046[16:10:09] <ajb> so that it can do effects like making glowstone luminous

L1047[16:10:19] <ajb> or drawing water different to stained glass

L1048[16:10:29] <PaleoCrafter> Ah, hm

L1049[16:11:15] <ajb> or make leaf blocks blow in the wind

L1050[16:12:29] <ajb> if you check gbuffers_terrain.vsh in SEUS you can see it has hardcoded block IDs for vanilla leaves and for BoP leaves... but the latter probably won't work in recent MC due to the IDs being dynamic

L1051[16:12:50] <PaleoCrafter> Technically, the mod could add constants to the source of every shader before it compiles it

L1052[16:13:01] <gigaherz> [23:01] (ajb): wow, that's pretty old

L1053[16:13:10] <gigaherz> once upon a time, models were functions with

L1054[16:13:12] <gigaherz> glBegin/glEnd

L1055[16:13:22] <PaleoCrafter> Then shaders can compare the passed ID against that

L1056[16:13:29] <ajb> gigaherz: yes i know, i learned GL back in those days :)

L1057[16:13:33] <gigaherz> no I mean

L1058[16:13:36] <gigaherz> like 2 years ago, in mc

L1059[16:14:26] <gigaherz> well not 2, 2 years ago 1.8 was already out

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L1061[16:14:38] <ajb> PaleoCrafter: yeah, another option is to make more different shader types and have the mod register "this is luminous", "this is a leaf" etc

L1062[16:14:48] <gigaherz> but yeah -- mc started up as a gl1.1 program, extremely old-style

L1063[16:15:01] <PaleoCrafter> Not flexible enough

L1064[16:15:43] <ajb> PaleoCrafter: when you say "the mod" which mod do you mean?

L1065[16:15:54] <ajb> shadermod, or the mod adding eg leaves?

L1066[16:16:03] <PaleoCrafter> Shader mod

L1067[16:16:14] <ajb> right, yeah

L1068[16:16:46] <ajb> but then the mod would have to tell shadermod "this is a leaf, so add it to the shader"

L1069[16:16:58] <PaleoCrafter> It can iterate over the registry and generate constants of the form <MODID>_<NAME>

L1070[16:17:14] <ajb> hmm

L1071[16:17:22] <gigaherz> I'd make it tied to the model system

L1072[16:17:55] <ajb> wouldn't that lead to a huge number of constants being passed? would that matter?

L1073[16:17:55] <gigaherz> "shader": { "file": "blahblah", "compiler_constants": "USE_X,USE_Y", ... }

L1074[16:17:56] <gigaherz> ;P

L1075[16:17:57] <PaleoCrafter> It's not like we have any influence over shader mod

L1076[16:18:06] <ajb> yeah, unfortunately

L1077[16:18:31] <PaleoCrafter> That'd of course be the optimal solution, gigaherz

L1078[16:19:48] <ajb> so a simple fix would be to pass the 16 bit item ID instead of the 12 bit block ID

L1079[16:20:07] <ajb> they change, but at least i could hack it for my world

L1080[16:20:16] <ajb> and i can't redistribute it anyway due to the license

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L1082[16:20:42] <PaleoCrafter> Well, for actual blocks, the block ID is enough :P

L1083[16:20:54] <ajb> not for mods

L1084[16:21:07] <PaleoCrafter> Yes it is :P

L1085[16:21:11] <ajb> how so?

L1086[16:21:20] <gigaherz> mods have the habit of changing the properties based on meta/blockstate

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L1088[16:21:31] <PaleoCrafter> You're dealing with blocks in the world, not in an inventory

L1089[16:21:37] <ajb> every single block in IC2 has block ID 253 in my world

L1090[16:22:12] <PaleoCrafter> Because they probably use a mix of metadata and TEs

L1091[16:22:25] <gigaherz> no need for even mods: you may want the polished stones to be glossy, while the unpolished ones to not be ;P

L1092[16:23:14] <ajb> i'm not familiar with polished stones...

L1093[16:23:19] <gigaherz> 1.8+

L1094[16:23:30] <gigaherz> polished diorite, polished andesite, polished granite

L1095[16:23:41] <gigaherz> various 1.7.10 mods add them too

L1096[16:23:58] <ajb> those are stored in the damage/metadata?

L1097[16:24:05] <gigaherz> they are part of the minecraft:stone

L1098[16:24:42] <ajb> so they're stored like the colour of wool?

L1099[16:24:55] <ajb> because that is also passed to shaders currently

L1100[16:24:58] <gigaherz> similarly, yes

L1101[16:25:11] <PaleoCrafter> Another thing to keep in mind is that numeric IDs can differ between worlds

L1102[16:25:46] <PaleoCrafter> For mods, that is

L1103[16:26:16] <ajb> yes, i am aware of that, but i would be okay with just changing the shader each time i make a new world

L1104[16:26:32] <gigaherz> wouldn't the best solution be to have the mapping between blocks and properties done on a separate file? alongside the shaders themselves, then during loading "compile" that information and pass those bits to the shader as needed?

L1105[16:26:51] <gigaherz> it woudl be more involved, that's for sure ;P

L1106[16:27:01] <PaleoCrafter> That's basically what I suggested

L1107[16:27:04] <ajb> yeah

L1108[16:27:24] <ajb> but none of these methods are going to work without changing the data that is actually passed into the shader

L1109[16:29:04] <gigaherz> unless you make an alias system

L1110[16:29:21] <gigaherz> and pass on fake "ids" that are not based on the real blockids

L1111[16:29:27] <ajb> that could work... send the ID for glowstone if the object matches a certain ID

L1112[16:29:29] <gigaherz> but are simply translated from the strings

L1113[16:29:54] <ajb> but would still have to be done inside shadermod

L1114[16:30:02] <gigaherz> "modnamehere:blockname#<blockstate variant string>" : "27:0"

L1115[16:30:20] <PaleoCrafter> You won't find a solution that works without modification of the mod

L1116[16:30:35] <ajb> right, so i'm trying to write a good feature request

L1117[16:30:46] <ajb> rather than going and saying "pls make lights glow"

L1118[16:30:53] <ajb> i want to understand what actually needs to be done

L1119[16:32:06] <ajb> is there a mod for 1.10.2 that gives detailed debugging information?

L1120[16:32:24] <gigaherz> not aware of anything

L1121[16:32:30] <gigaherz> you'd have to look through curse or something ;P

L1122[16:32:45] <gigaherz> but if detailed you mean "shows the IDs of things" -- mc does that by itself

L1123[16:32:48] <gigaherz> F3+H

L1124[16:32:50] <gigaherz> and hover on things

L1125[16:33:03] <ajb> that shows the numeric item IDs

L1126[16:33:06] <gigaherz> yep

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L1128[16:33:17] <ajb> i also want to see the block IDs, and the string IDs

L1129[16:33:25] <gigaherz> the string id shows there, too

L1130[16:33:30] <gigaherz> minecraft:stone at the bottom of the tooltip

L1131[16:33:40] <gigaherz> I'm not aware of anything showing the blockids

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L1133[16:34:07] <ajb> not for me... but maybe it's because of waila

L1134[16:35:59] <ajb> ah it's shown in the inventory

L1135[16:36:05] <ajb> yeah i want that for the world too :)

L1136[16:37:04] <gigaherz> string id is the same ;P

L1137[16:37:40] <gigaherz> or more accurately

L1138[16:37:46] <gigaherz> the string id has no meaning in blocks in vanilla

L1139[16:38:05] <gigaherz> it's used only for matching the models during load

L1140[16:38:21] <gigaherz> or actually not even that

L1141[16:38:30] <gigaherz> since it uses the statemapper

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L1144[16:41:41] <PaleoCrafter> Eh, gigaherz, the setblock command uses block IDs :P

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L1146[16:41:54] <gigaherz> hm?

L1147[16:42:10] <gigaherz> oh

L1148[16:42:24] <gigaherz> hmm doesn't that use item ids, though?

L1149[16:42:44] <gigaherz> I mean, for name:meta

L1150[16:42:51] <PaleoCrafter> I don't actually know, lol

L1151[16:43:29] <gigaherz> it's really just semantics

L1152[16:43:47] <gigaherz> but I think the meta value passed on in those commands is the item meta, not block meta

L1153[16:43:56] <PaleoCrafter> But it'd be hard to use for those blocks without a correctly mapped item

L1154[16:45:02] <gigaherz> nope nevermind

L1155[16:45:12] <gigaherz> it does CommandBase.getBlockByText

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L1157[16:45:16] <gigaherz> and block.getStateFromMeta

L1158[16:45:22] <gigaherz> so it takes block metadata values, not item values

L1159[16:45:48] <gigaherz> I retract everything I said before looking at the code ;P

L1160[16:45:54] <PaleoCrafter> :P

L1161[16:46:01] <PaleoCrafter> Can't look at it myself, on my phone

L1162[16:47:00] <howtonotwin> plain old F3 shows the block info on the right?

L1163[16:47:10] <howtonotwin> or do you want something else?

L1164[16:47:16] <gigaherz> he wants numeric IDs

L1165[16:47:22] <gigaherz> so that he can type them in the shader files

L1166[16:49:45] <howtonotwin> create a debug world and open its chunks in an NBT viewer :P

L1167[16:49:56] <howtonotwin> *anvil viewer

L1168[16:50:36] <howtonotwin> on a related note, do debug worlds show modded blocks?

L1169[16:50:57] <gigaherz> I think so

L1170[16:51:33] <gigaherz> I recall some conversations about how loading a debug world with mods would cause your computer to explode due to so much graphical load

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L1172[17:00:39] <ajb> okay so i put in a feature request to optifine since apparently he's maintaining shadermod now: https://github.com/sp614x/optifine/issues/254

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L1176[17:12:36] <Chervilpaw> When I try to setupDecompWorkspace for my mod, it errors

L1177[17:12:43] <Chervilpaw> do I need to get stack trace?

L1178[17:14:14] <IoP> outofmemory?

L1179[17:14:24] <Chervilpaw> no

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L1183[17:17:42] <Chervilpaw> org.gradle.api.tasks.TaskExecutionException: Execution failed for task ':decompileMc'.

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L1185[17:23:15] <diesieben07> thats just the parent excepotion

L1186[17:23:18] <diesieben07> check the full log

L1187[17:23:22] <diesieben07> Chervilpaw, ^

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L1198[18:18:43] <ajb> howtonotwin: actually that's a good idea... i don't need to look at the file, i can just look at the world coordinate to determine the numeric ID

L1199[18:25:00] <ajb> hmm actually i think debug world doesn't work the way i thought it did

L1200[18:28:02] <ajb> huh... every block in IC2 has the same string ID too

L1201[18:28:12] <ajb> they are all ic2:te

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L1206[18:47:07] <ajb> what are "lightLevel" and "brightness" ?

L1207[18:48:30] <williewillus> for what

L1208[18:55:18] <ajb> blocks i guess

L1209[18:55:24] <howtonotwin> lightlevel in general is a number 0-15 that represents the amount of light on a block. Overworld day is 15, night is 2(?). Opacity is how much light is subtracted as light passes through a block, default 255 for ensured darkness.

L1210[18:56:02] <howtonotwin> LightVALUE is how much light it emits

L1211[18:56:31] <ajb> context is this "The y component of mc_Entity contains information regarding lighting. It is currently calculated as lightValue * 16 + brightness."

L1212[18:57:01] <williewillus> what is this from?

L1213[18:57:07] <howtonotwin> so that means <light emitted>*16 + brightness

L1214[18:57:07] <williewillus> and I think lightValue means the block's light value

L1215[18:57:11] <ajb> http://daxnitro.wikia.com/wiki/Editing_Shaders_(Shaders)

L1216[18:57:12] <williewillus> and brightness is the entity's brightness

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L1218[18:57:17] <howtonotwin> s/brightness/lightlevel/

L1219[18:57:32] <williewillus> wat

L1220[18:57:39] <howtonotwin> light is totally no longer a word >.<

L1221[18:58:35] <ajb> unfortunately the newer shadermod doesn't work that way and those values don't seem to be exposed any longer

L1222[18:59:02] <ajb> but i could have used that to find my luminators :(

L1223[19:01:14] <howtonotwin> willie: why "wat?"

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L1238[20:09:15] <Tazz> yay for pointer maths

L1239[20:09:16] <Tazz> XD

L1240[20:09:46] * Kaiyouka hisses at the mention of pointers

L1241[20:09:50] <Tazz> XD

L1242[20:10:15] <Tazz> you would hate to see what Im doing rn then Kaiyouka

L1243[20:10:16] <Tazz> XD

L1244[20:10:36] <Tazz> uint8_t* fields = instance_fields(obj_ref);

L1245[20:10:36] <Tazz> *(boolean*) &fields[to_field(field_ref)->as.offset] = (*to_boolean(boolean_new(val)));

L1246[20:11:22] <howtonotwin> my brain

L1247[20:11:31] <Tazz> hahahaha

L1248[20:11:40] <howtonotwin> this is for eschelle?

L1249[20:11:47] <Tazz> the rewrite Im doing yeah

L1250[20:11:52] <Kaiyouka> I believe this is one of those situations requiring a colorful metaphor.

L1251[20:12:07] <Tazz> XD

L1252[20:12:10] <howtonotwin> every * is an asshole

L1253[20:12:16] <Tazz> XD

L1254[20:12:31] <Tazz> I finally fixed the JIT last night XD

L1255[20:12:42] <Tazz> apparently stack allocated values dont get their internal values initialized >.>

L1256[20:13:12] <Tazz> I should have known this because prior times when this happened but I figured that like you shouldnt have to zero initialize things >.>

L1257[20:14:52] <howtonotwin> wait, are you assigning something then also using that value?

L1258[20:15:52] <Tazz> when you allocate a class instance the object becomes the sizeof(instance) + class->object_size

L1259[20:16:12] <Tazz> and thats the code to set a boolean value

L1260[20:16:24] <Tazz> which is like instance + (field->offset) = value;

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L1262[20:20:03] <howtonotwin> this is "index into fields by to_field(field_ref)->as.offset, and assign that *to_boolean(...). Also take the address of this boolean, and dereference it." if I'm reading this right then?

L1263[20:20:41] <howtonotwin> I needed an operator precedence table and several minutes to parse that. xD

L1264[20:21:06] <howtonotwin> and you need MOAR PARENS :P

L1265[20:21:33] <Tazz> XD

L1266[20:21:51] <Tazz> its like....

L1267[20:21:56] <howtonotwin> well no, just remove the ( before *to_boolean and add ( before &fields

L1268[20:22:40] <howtonotwin> that will probably make this 10x easier to understand simply because precedence :P

L1269[20:22:52] <Tazz> Im basically casting obj_ref into an array of uint8_ts then getting the field offset and casting that back into an array of booleans and setting the value with a newly created boolean

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L1272[20:24:00] <howtonotwin> &field[...] is annoying bc & > [] but it looks the other way around too

L1273[20:24:43] <howtonotwin> * [] > &

L1274[20:24:56] <Tazz> XD

L1275[20:25:06] <howtonotwin> there was not a single alphanumeric char in that

L1276[20:25:12] <howtonotwin> y u do dis c

L1277[20:26:20] <Tazz> ohhhhh jeez this is interesting XD

L1278[20:26:29] <illy> Tazz, are you doing things to hurt peoples brains again?

L1279[20:26:30] <Tazz> if I wanna modify an instance's field

L1280[20:26:38] <Tazz> I have to like make the address

L1281[20:26:59] <Tazz> [TMP + field->offset + sizeof(instance) + offsetof(integer, value)]

L1282[20:27:00] <Tazz> XD

L1283[20:27:07] <Tazz> illy, maybe

L1284[20:27:08] <Tazz> XD

L1285[20:28:05] <Tazz> https://gist.github.com/s0cks/c37ddf399644a4e15b255ef1f8df1c34#file-main-c-L18

L1286[20:28:31] * howtonotwin runs `mv Tazz{,~}; sed '/^XD$/d' < Tazz~ > Tazz; rm Tazz~`

L1287[20:28:43] <Tazz> rofl

L1288[20:29:01] <Tazz> but it works though :>

L1289[20:29:04] <Tazz> it returns 30 :D

L1290[20:29:23] <Tazz> well not really returns it

L1291[20:29:28] * howtonotwin does <C-c> then ^Tazz;^&^

L1292[20:29:33] <Tazz> but I could technically cast it as such and it would XD

L1293[20:30:34] * howtonotwin then does <C-c> then `^XD^([xX][dD]|[rR][oO][fF][lL])^` for good measure

L1294[20:31:03] <Tazz> rofl

L1295[20:31:14] * howtonotwin cries because regex

L1296[20:32:24] <Tazz> typedef int (*TestFunction)(void);

L1297[20:32:24] <Tazz> printf("%d\n", ((TestFunction) asm_compile(&buffer))());

L1298[20:32:26] <Tazz> mmm XD

L1299[20:32:44] * howtonotwin cries because he forgot <C-c> only works on foreground processes and that the 2nd sed was job %1 in the background, thereby causing Tazz to become highly corrupt as two processes raced for data. Then he smiles because Tazz became highly corrupt as two processes raced for data.

L1300[20:32:47] <Tazz> mostly because for some reason (((int (*)(void)) asm_compile(&buffer))() didnt work XD

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L1303[20:45:05] <ajb> argh... there's a link to the shadersmod source code on page ~300 of the ~600 page megathread

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L1305[20:47:02] <Tazz> XD

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L1324[21:41:27] <ajb> hmm. shadersmod already has a mechanism to remap block IDs. but it is not enabled in the code

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L1350[22:51:47] <Redrield> When trying to run gradle setupDecompWorkspace --refresh-dependencies, the build fails at decompileMc with a NullPointerException, no message

L1351[22:51:47] <Redrield> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/31e6e9ca93623d7e42de951a02c5354b

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L1355[22:57:18] <howtonotwin> update forgegradle

L1356[22:57:23] <howtonotwin> you need 2.2

L1357[22:58:33] <Chervilpaw> how to update forgegradle

L1358[22:59:02] <howtonotwin> just change the classpath line in dependencies

L1359[22:59:32] <Chervilpaw> that would explain these problems

L1360[22:59:47] <Chervilpaw> with KittenMagic on 1.10.2

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L1362[23:01:29] <Redrield> What a dumb error .-.

L1363[23:01:33] <Redrield> Thanks howtonotwin

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L1366[23:02:30] <howtonotwin> np

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L1369[23:04:32] <howtonotwin> you want 2.2-SNAPSHOT btw

L1370[23:04:46] <Redrield> Yeah, ik

L1371[23:05:30] <Redrield> Hm... I ran setupDecompWorkspace --refresh-dependencies, but I don't have access to net.minecraft.* classes

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L1374[23:10:10] <howtonotwin> rerun eclipse maybe?

L1375[23:10:59] <howtonotwin> task eclipse, not Eclipse eclipse :P

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L1377[23:13:59] <Redrield> No :/

L1378[23:14:30] <howtonotwin> then by no access, what exactly do you mean?

L1379[23:15:04] <Redrield> When I try to import anything net.minecraft, it can't be resolved.

L1380[23:15:19] <howtonotwin> does the build path contain forgeSrc?

L1381[23:15:26] <Redrield> Only things I can see in the IDE are stuff in net.minecraft.launchwrapper

L1382[23:18:04] <howtonotwin> if worst comes to worst, "gradlew clean setupDecompWorkspace eclipse --refresh-dependencies" and restarting Eclipse should fix 4/5 problems by brute force :P

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L1384[23:18:57] <TehNut> Did you remember to refresh your workspace after the initial setup?

L1385[23:19:04] <howtonotwin> But I shouldn't be awake at this time here, so I'll be taking my leave. Goodbye and good luck!

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L1388[23:24:14] <Redrield> TehNut: Just tried doing that, nothing

L1389[23:24:37] <Redrield> For specifics, I'm trying to use net.minecraft.item.crafting.FurnaceRecipes, and net.minecraft.item.ItemStack

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L1394[23:33:34] <williewillus> in a forge dev env how do I changfe the ram allocated?

L1395[23:33:44] <williewillus> can I just do Xmx in the vm opts

L1396[23:34:34] <williewillus> yup that works

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