OCLogs: 2016-08-24.log

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L46[03:18:38] <gigaherz|work> random idea: a thing where trapdoors launch items upward/sideways when opening/closing -- for item elevators ;P

L47[03:19:07] <gigaherz|work> the direction would be determined based on which side(s) of the trapdoor are not covered by a solid face

L48[03:25:08] <sham1> sounds like bouncy board

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L50[03:30:33] <sham1> I was wondering how fun it would be to distribute server resources to client as base64

L51[03:30:59] <sham1> stuff like configurations

L52[03:31:16] <gigaherz|work> "fun" is relative?

L53[03:31:18] <gigaherz|work> I mean

L54[03:31:27] <gigaherz|work> encoding to base64 means simply... encoding to base64

L55[03:31:30] <gigaherz|work> and sending over the string

L56[03:31:38] <gigaherz|work> but that string would be BIGGER than the original

L57[03:31:53] <gigaherz|work> since the purpose of base64 is to encode raw bytes into printable characters

L58[03:32:43] <sham1> indeed

L59[03:32:58] <sham1> 1.33 times as big

L60[03:34:13] <gigaherz|work> easier to say it's 3:4

L61[03:34:13] <sham1> But embedded images

L62[03:34:14] <gigaherz|work> ;P

L63[03:34:24] <sham1> 4/3

L64[03:34:45] <gigaherz|work> you are sending data from a server over to a client through a binary protocol

L65[03:34:51] <gigaherz|work> there's no need or reason for base64 ;P

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L67[03:35:18] <sham1> Who said anything about having a reason

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L70[03:38:11] <sham1> And not just MC

L71[03:38:29] <sham1> It could work in stuff like "VoIRC"

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L82[04:16:07] <Koward> I just can't make floating EntityItems. Their position gets correct but visually they look like glitched cubes moving up and down at a tick pace.

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L84[04:17:05] <gigaherz|work> how do you make them float?

L85[04:18:43] <Koward> In a custom EntityFloatingItem class, I override onUpdate and put this code : http://hastebin.com/hovosubude.java

L86[04:19:40] <Koward> The position is correct, to pickup the item you have to go at the top of the water, as intended. But visually the item is top, then moves down, then reappears at top and always move down.

L87[04:19:57] <Koward> Like if it was always moving down, but teleported at its correct position each tick

L88[04:20:44] <ThePsionic> Ah, the classic "item stuck in tree leaves" graphical bug

L89[04:23:03] <Koward> Looks quite similar indeed.

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L91[04:27:27] <Koward> But the leaves bug has been fixed, right ?

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L96[05:13:55] <BordListian> are you using the same entity id as vanilla items, Koward?

L97[05:14:54] <BordListian> packet handlers are hardcoded for vanilla entities

L98[05:15:37] <BordListian> so if you extend EntityItem, on the client it will not make your EntityWaterAffectedItem but rather the original EntityItem

L99[05:16:08] <Koward> I just wrap it around, like this : http://hastebin.com/oqinijuhig.java

L100[05:16:24] <Koward> And I replace it with EntityJoinWorld event.

L101[05:16:31] <BordListian> ah

L102[05:16:37] <BordListian> does that do it on the client too

L103[05:17:38] <Koward> I'm not sure, but I don't see what a custom renderer should change anyway

L104[05:17:54] <BordListian> custom renderer?

L105[05:18:37] <Koward> I thought you were suggesting about editing how the entity is renderer

L106[05:18:39] <Koward> *rendered

L107[05:18:47] <BordListian> no

L108[05:18:51] <BordListian> entity id

L109[05:18:57] <BordListian> in the entity registry

L110[05:19:42] <BordListian> I had pretty much the same problem but with falling block entities

L111[05:20:57] <BordListian> i made my own EntityFallingGourd with one extra value but clientside it would still produce EntityFallingBlock and subsequently crash

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L113[05:25:55] <TechnicianLP> func_189654_d seems to be ignore gravity

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L116[05:33:18] <Koward> With Reflection I can't use unobfuscated names because it'll mean nothing afterwards, right, damn what I moron I am

L117[05:34:34] <gigaherz|work> that's why ReflectionHelper lets you pass in more than one name

L118[05:34:47] <gigaherz|work> if you pass the SRG name first

L119[05:34:50] <gigaherz|work> and then the pretty name

L120[05:35:13] <gigaherz|work> in non-dev builds the SRG name will work on first try

L121[05:35:23] <gigaherz|work> and in dev builds it will fail and the pretty name will be used instead

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L132[06:22:27] <Tazz> the tree is sooo derpy but its coming out nice: http://i.imgur.com/0yEattH.png :D

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L134[06:31:39] <sham1> what a derpy tree

L135[06:32:29] <Tazz> ikr

L136[06:32:36] <Tazz> Im working on making it more organic

L137[06:32:40] <Tazz> Ive made some nice trees

L138[06:32:49] <Tazz> but I need flight to make it look actually good XD

L139[06:33:06] <gigaherz|work> I have been considering making a mod where trees are entities

L140[06:33:10] <gigaherz|work> rather than blocks

L141[06:33:12] <Tazz> XD

L142[06:33:26] <gigaherz|work> but for that to be efficient, I'd have to make a massive hack

L143[06:33:30] <Tazz> I wanna invest some time in adding some trees to minecraft

L144[06:33:39] <Tazz> I feel like thats one gray area of minecraft mods

L145[06:33:41] <gigaherz|work> that allows caching static entity models into chunk rendering caches

L146[06:34:15] <gigaherz|work> otherwise a forest would be a lag-rest

L147[06:35:16] <ThePsionic> Tazz: I hate to be a buzzkill, but Forestry

L148[06:35:17] <Tazz> lol

L149[06:35:21] <ThePsionic> And BoP

L150[06:35:32] <gigaherz|work> and Twilight Forest (is that being ported?)

L151[06:35:34] <Tazz> ThePsionic, yes but that requires like interest in playing with forestry

L152[06:35:45] <ThePsionic> BoP not so much

L153[06:35:48] <Tazz> like I want trees that are naturally generated in the world

L154[06:35:51] <Tazz> yeah BoP yaeh

L155[06:35:52] <gigaherz|work> and IC2(?) (rubber trees)

L156[06:35:54] <Tazz> but I hate BoP :(

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L158[06:36:05] <ThePsionic> I hate IC2 lol

L159[06:36:06] <Tazz> mostly because of the weird water pools and lack of interesting biomes XD

L160[06:36:10] <gigaherz|work> butyou want new species of trees

L161[06:36:12] <gigaherz|work> or just new shapes?

L162[06:36:22] <ThePsionic> EnderIO 4 lyfe

L163[06:36:32] <Tazz> uh I want like new tree species?

L164[06:36:38] <gigaherz|work> aha

L165[06:36:42] <Tazz> interesting ones

L166[06:36:46] <Tazz> not just like copouts rofl

L167[06:36:56] <Tazz> like some worth like finding

L168[06:37:19] <gigaherz|work> I believe someone was making some mod with like, magical trees?

L169[06:37:26] <Tazz> there is ancient trees

L170[06:37:31] <Tazz> but Im not sure how maintained it is

L171[06:37:37] <Tazz> and only has like 10 trees XD

L172[06:37:40] <ThePsionic> I'm making a mod with magic trees

L173[06:37:47] <ThePsionic> Not magic*al*

L174[06:37:48] <ThePsionic> Just magic

L175[06:38:00] <Tazz> a couple past projects I was working on added a few trees

L176[06:40:20] <sham1> macic is awesome for mods

L177[06:40:30] <ThePsionic> Slightly overdone imho

L178[06:41:14] <gigaherz|work> "magic" and "tech" both

L179[06:41:15] <sham1> Well, one cannot stay original forever in a modder base like this

L180[06:41:21] <ThePsionic> the magic of magic mods tho is that each of them find their own way of interacting *with* the magic

L181[06:41:38] <sham1> but has magical tech been done

L182[06:41:45] <gigaherz|work> yes.

L183[06:41:49] <gigaherz|work> aura cascade

L184[06:41:50] <Tazz> Im still deciding upon architectural structure for the buildings Im going to be doing on this XD

L185[06:41:54] <ThePsionic> Like Thaumcraft requires you to get aspects and discover things, Botania needs you to throw things in cauldrons with power coming from flowers

L186[06:41:55] <gigaherz|work> thaumcraft machinery

L187[06:42:07] <gigaherz|work> there's stuff

L188[06:42:12] <ThePsionic> There's a lot of diversity when it comes to magic mods, and I don't feel the same with tech mods

L189[06:42:30] <gigaherz|work> we are missing more... ancient tech?

L190[06:42:40] <gigaherz|work> there was Ancient Warfare on 1.7.10

L191[06:42:42] <ThePsionic> Define ancient tach

L192[06:42:44] <Tazz> I stil wanna finish Herbarium XD

L193[06:42:45] <ThePsionic> tech*

L194[06:42:55] <gigaherz|work> but it was still basically just normal tech in disquise

L195[06:43:05] <gigaherz|work> the mechanical pipes were still RF API

L196[06:43:07] <Tazz> it was like a magic mod but relative to the real world nothing was really too abstract with it XD

L197[06:43:28] <gigaherz|work> is there any mod using concepts from ancient greece/egypt tech?

L198[06:43:34] <ThePsionic> I've decided to pick up the pace on WCReborn again

L199[06:43:41] <sham1> Steampunk tech is also overdone

L200[06:43:48] <Tazz> no gigaherz|work but I would love to see something greek in a mod XXD

L201[06:43:54] <gigaherz|work> they had some hydraulic mechanisms

L202[06:43:59] <Tazz> mostly like aquaducts that are pretty and work XD

L203[06:44:10] <sham1> yey for roma

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L205[06:45:10] <ThePsionic> Why is it always that I get back into modding a week before school starts

L206[06:45:10] <sham1> But the thing about ancient tech is that it feels kikd of weird to have in a mod

L207[06:45:30] <Tazz> I would love a mod based upon "ancient tech"

L208[06:45:43] <Tazz> specially if its pretty like thaumcraft or immersive engineering XD

L209[06:45:46] <gigaherz|work> ThePsionic: because the whole point of vacation

L210[06:45:48] <gigaherz|work> is that you are resting

L211[06:45:54] <gigaherz|work> when you start modding

L212[06:45:58] <gigaherz|work> it means you already finished resting

L213[06:46:05] <gigaherz|work> which is a good time to go back to school

L214[06:46:06] <gigaherz|work> ;P

L215[06:46:21] <ThePsionic> More like "I'm bored of literally everything because I've already done it so much during vacation"

L216[06:46:24] <Tazz> nah I always thought it was you being brought back into the quicksand pit that is modding XD

L217[06:46:53] <gigaherz|work> yeah and being bored of things you do during vacation, is a good sign that the vacation was a tiny bit too long ;P

L218[06:47:19] <ThePsionic> Heh

L219[06:48:39] <Tazz> I still need to pick up Eschelle again XD

L220[06:48:49] <Tazz> its been sitting there incubating for a while XD

L221[06:50:38] <ThePsionic> Yeah Ingens has been sitting around for a while too but I've not felt the need to pick it up

L222[06:51:04] <ThePsionic> And Astus... well, basically got overtaken by WCReborn I guess

L223[06:51:04] <sham1> I wanted to make a steam power mod. But when I started to design it, I just designed a watered-down version of RC

L224[06:51:27] <sham1> pun not intended

L225[06:52:00] <ThePsionic> hue

L226[06:52:27] <gigaherz|work> I was thinking about actual mechanical power transfer

L227[06:52:48] <gigaherz|work> shafts would be multiblocks

L228[06:52:49] <gigaherz|work> acting as one

L229[06:52:56] <gigaherz|work> but keeping track of rpm and torque

L230[06:53:11] <gigaherz|work> and they'd have more friction loss the longer they would be

L231[06:53:31] <gigaherz|work> and have breaking points from stress

L232[06:53:39] <gigaherz|work> then junction/distribution boxes

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L234[06:53:48] <gigaherz|work> with tiers based on transfer efficiency

L235[06:54:21] <gigaherz|work> then I'd have semi-wireless connections with the machines, by attaching bands between two shafts

L236[06:54:33] <gigaherz|work> up to a max distance

L237[06:54:53] <ThePsionic> Maybe various bandwidths?

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L239[06:55:08] <gigaherz|work> yeh, could be

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L241[06:55:19] <ThePsionic> Like, thinner bands can go longer distances, but have a greater chance of breaking

L242[06:55:32] <sham1> I'm sad that RC never updated beyond 1.7.10

L243[06:55:54] <ThePsionic> That's what I thought of WildyCraft, why I'm doing WCReborn

L244[06:55:57] <sham1> It has the only powersystem I actually am interested in when ysing it

L245[06:57:04] <sham1> Because RF is way too simplistic to me

L246[06:57:35] <gigaherz|work> I remember a conversation

L247[06:57:44] <sham1> it feels more like a prototype energy system than an actual one actually used

L248[06:57:49] <gigaherz|work> augmented by new ideas

L249[06:57:53] <gigaherz|work> about a power system

L250[06:57:56] <gigaherz|work> that would use filled pipes

L251[06:58:15] <gigaherz|work> and you'd have to maintain internal pressure in order for the fluid to be able to transfer the power

L252[06:58:21] <sham1> You mean using hydraulic pressure

L253[06:58:24] <gigaherz|work> no

L254[06:58:33] <gigaherz|work> I mean like, "charged fluid"

L255[06:58:40] <gigaherz|work> or like, two-fase fluids

L256[06:58:45] <sham1> hmm

L257[06:59:09] <gigaherz|work> the pipes have to be pressurized for it to be most efficient

L258[06:59:36] <gigaherz|work> and you could need to have a return pipe with the "used" fluid

L259[06:59:44] <gigaherz|work> so that it can be recharged and reintroduced

L260[06:59:47] <ThePsionic> So like ThermalEx redstone conduits, except you'd need to fill it on the fly rather than beforehand

L261[06:59:53] <gigaherz|work> akin to using steam+water

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L263[07:00:30] <gigaherz|work> but instead of it simply being simple phase conversions that introduce the energy

L264[07:00:50] <gigaherz|work> (1 bucket of water + 200 RF <-> 1 bucket of steam)

L265[07:01:05] <gigaherz|work> the actual ability to contain charge would depend on the internal pressure of the system

L266[07:01:14] <gigaherz|work> or stuff like that

L267[07:01:32] <ThePsionic> Requirements for installing: Minecraft 1.10.2, a physics PhD, Minecraft Forge

L268[07:01:35] <gigaherz|work> maybe hmm

L269[07:01:45] <gigaherz|work> right

L270[07:01:55] <gigaherz|work> the more energy you transfer, the more of the fluid you use up in the process

L271[07:02:03] <gigaherz|work> but the higher the pressure, the more energy you can transfer

L272[07:02:40] <gigaherz|work> while at the same time you can't just endlessly pump because if the pressure reaches a limit, the pipes would start to break

L273[07:02:51] <gigaherz|work> and the more you go over that limit, the higher the chance it breaks on that one tick

L274[07:03:46] <sham1> every i ticks you would have like 1/9 change to explode and leak? I'd be down

L275[07:04:07] <gigaherz|work> yep if it ruptures, it would have explode-y results

L276[07:04:11] <gigaherz|work> worse on higher tiers

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L278[07:04:17] <gigaherz|work> since it would be a more catastrophic failure

L279[07:04:22] <ThePsionic> risk-reward type of situation

L280[07:04:25] <sham1> But the problem becomes "what could one do with that kind of energy anyway"

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L282[07:04:45] <gigaherz|work> that's a whole separate thing to think about

L283[07:04:45] <gigaherz|work> ;P

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L285[07:05:01] <sham1> Like, two phase fluids can transport heat

L286[07:05:05] <Ordinastie_> gigaherz|work, pretty sure that's already been done

L287[07:06:16] <sham1> I thought about restarting the development of Fluidcraft (once again) and use fluid pressure to do work

L288[07:06:50] <sham1> But then I hit a brick wall with smelting stuff

L289[07:07:14] <ThePsionic> And according to Newton's laws, the brick wall hit you too

L290[07:07:27] <sham1> "I have this system of pressure and heat, how to make that smelt things"

L291[07:08:56] <sham1> Because the fluid pressure idea was primarily for being able to transfer

L292[07:09:08] <sham1> the fluids and have them go to right directions

L293[07:10:02] <Naiten> oh energy talk

L294[07:10:12] <sham1> yes

L295[07:10:41] <sham1> Also another problem with pressure is how one would handle junctions

L296[07:10:53] <sham1> because it would spread

L297[07:11:08] <ThePsionic> As I said, you need a physics PhD for this shit

L298[07:11:42] <Naiten> heil hydraulic calculus

L299[07:12:15] <Naiten> can you even into Bernoulli's principle?

L300[07:12:20] <ThePsionic> I cannot

L301[07:12:42] <ThePsionic> I've got high-school physics on my side

L302[07:12:45] <ThePsionic> that's about it

L303[07:13:06] <Naiten> sham1, you may want to take a look at how electric circuit simulators work

L304[07:13:08] <ThePsionic> And I disliked it at that

L305[07:13:12] <ThePsionic> I did like science tho

L306[07:13:49] <Naiten> i'm sure they have like, two buffers containing data about all nodes (junctions), one for old data and another for new

L307[07:14:22] <sham1> Well with electric circuits at junctions the current gets divided

L308[07:14:22] <Naiten> like, the method which calculates pressure drop will intake data from first buffer and output to second

L309[07:15:23] <Naiten> and after this method runs about all nodes, 'new' buffer data is copied to 'old'

L310[07:15:33] <Naiten> ^ repeat

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L312[07:18:31] <Naiten> sham1, hydralics is much like electricity. You have potential (voltage/pressure), you have resistance (ohmic and reactive resistance for electricity / linear, local and weight losses for hydraulics), and finally, you have flow

L313[07:19:14] <gigaherz|work> normal hydraulics doesn't really work the same

L314[07:19:23] <gigaherz|work> you can make a simile between water and electricity

L315[07:19:31] <gigaherz|work> if you consider a circuit with a water tank at the top

L316[07:19:38] <gigaherz|work> and then using the potential force caused by gravity

L317[07:20:36] <gigaherz|work> I suppose you could still flatten the circuit

L318[07:20:43] <gigaherz|work> anyhow

L319[07:20:45] <gigaherz|work> nevermindme

L320[07:21:01] <Naiten> like, 'current' basically means amount of electric charge passing though conductor section in a period of time, while flow is amount of liquid (volume or mass) passing though piepe section

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L322[07:22:12] <gigaherz|work> the simile breaks down the moment you introduce semiconductors

L323[07:22:13] <gigaherz|work> ;P

L324[07:22:23] <Naiten> gigaherz|work, i know it doesn't work same, my speciality is 'Ship's energy plants', and we got loads of hydralics

L325[07:23:02] <Naiten> i was trying to explain sham1 that things aren't so hard as they may seem to

L326[07:23:08] <gigaherz|work> sure

L327[07:23:13] <gigaherz|work> it's a really good teaching tool

L328[07:23:25] <sham1> Well it's not hard

L329[07:23:50] <gigaherz|work> basic electronics are relatively easy

L330[07:23:56] <gigaherz|work> resistors, capacitors and inductors

L331[07:24:27] <gigaherz|work> it's when you introduce semiconductors that everything goes to shit and the maths switch to another level

L332[07:26:07] <Ordinastie_> why do I always get caught in deep refactoring before even finishing a feature :(

L333[07:26:19] <Naiten> gigaherz|work, though you can represent diode via nonreturn valve, and triode (transistor) via cutoff plate drived by hydraulic actuator ;p

L334[07:26:24] <sham1> because you are a programmer

L335[07:26:46] <Naiten> *driven

L336[07:27:01] <gigaherz|work> Naiten: yes but that's a simplification

L337[07:27:07] <gigaherz|work> your valve doesn't actually LOWER the pressure

L338[07:27:19] <gigaherz|work> while a diode "takes" some volts for itself

L339[07:27:50] <gigaherz|work> (somewhere between 1v and 3v depending on the type of diode)

L340[07:28:34] <gigaherz|work> hmmm

L341[07:28:39] <ThePsionic> My valve never lowers the pressure, HL3 stays a constant expectation

L342[07:28:43] <gigaherz|work> unless it's a spring-loaded return valve

L343[07:29:00] <gigaherz|work> hmm how would a spring-loaded valve affect the fluid pressure?

L344[07:29:09] <ThePsionic> gigaherz|work: what are you, a plumber

L345[07:29:34] <gigaherz|work> no I'm an engineer

L346[07:29:47] <gigaherz|work> software engineer by specialization, but I like all tech regardless

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L348[07:31:08] <sham1> >HL3

L349[07:31:09] <sham1> nice one

L350[07:31:26] <Naiten> ThePsionic, a plumber won't tell you the matter of things and actual laws of nature, he just repairs things

L351[07:32:38] <Ordinastie_> gigaherz|work, and will you be willing to use MalisisCore for your new mod ?

L352[07:32:44] <Naiten> gigaherz|work, engineerfist!

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L354[07:33:07] <gigaherz|work> Ordinastie_: I'm not going to start any new mod right now

L355[07:33:14] <Xtcent> is there any way to cancel entity spawns, without using entity instanceof? Because it cancels the spawn of entities that extend that class

L356[07:33:16] <Ordinastie_> erf, was worth a try :(

L357[07:33:22] <gigaherz|work> WOW Legion launches next week.

L358[07:33:28] <gigaherz|work> ;P

L359[07:33:44] <Ordinastie_> don't think I'm gonna buy it this time

L360[07:35:21] <gigaherz|work> I prepurchased

L361[07:35:29] <gigaherz|work> I have been doing the pre-expansion events for a couple weeks already

L362[07:35:43] <gigaherz|work> I have my main (druid healer) ready

L363[07:35:47] <gigaherz|work> I tried a Demonhunter

L364[07:35:58] <gigaherz|work> and I have my top alt (shaman healer) also ready

L365[07:36:59] <ThePsionic> I've never cared about WoW and I doubt I ever will :P

L366[07:37:14] <gigaherz|work> that's ok

L367[07:37:25] <gigaherz|work> did you ever do a trial or anything?

L368[07:37:29] <gigaherz|work> or just no interest at all?

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L370[07:37:43] <gigaherz|work> I know a lot of people who were like "I did classic wow for a week, and it sucked!"

L371[07:37:47] <gigaherz|work> and I agree with that

L372[07:38:01] <gigaherz|work> wow hasn't been like that for like, 8 years XD

L373[07:38:02] <ThePsionic> No interest

L374[07:38:07] <masa> gigaherz|work: you have some weird diodes then... my diodes only have a threshold voltage somewhere between ~0.2v for some schottky diodes, to ~0.7V for regular ones

L375[07:38:11] <ThePsionic> To be honest I do play RuneScape a shit ton

L376[07:38:21] <masa> then of course there are LEDs where blue ones are around the 3V mark

L377[07:38:42] <gigaherz|work> masa: hm? OH yes

L378[07:38:44] <gigaherz|work> I was thinking LEDs

L379[07:38:49] <masa> yep

L380[07:38:58] <gigaherz|work> where the red ones are like 1.2 and whites are 3v or so

L381[07:39:06] <masa> gree/yellow/red LEDs are somewhere around 1.5-1.8V

L382[07:39:08] <gigaherz|work> somehow the two concepts blend together in my brain

L383[07:39:25] <masa> well LED is a diode too so..

L384[07:39:39] <gigaherz|work> yep

L385[07:39:41] <gigaherz|work> Light-emitting one

L386[07:39:42] <gigaherz|work> ;P

L387[07:39:45] <ThePsionic> Where's Wuppy when you need him

L388[07:39:45] <masa> yep :p

L389[07:40:37] <gigaherz|work> welp

L390[07:40:43] <gigaherz|work> I wondered how oleds work

L391[07:40:56] <gigaherz|work> The organic molecules are electrically conductive as a result of delocalization of pi electrons caused by conjugation over part or all of the molecule.

L392[07:41:05] <gigaherz|work> my brain exploded.

L393[07:41:09] <LatvianModder> Not always blue leds are more power consuming

L394[07:41:17] <LatvianModder> SMD leds are all pretty much the same :P

L395[07:42:04] <Ordinastie_> I'm beginning to regret IDE/language flame wars *_*

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L397[07:42:13] <masa> why would that make a difference, if you mean that blue SMD LEDs would have a lower threshold voltage?

L398[07:42:41] <masa> isn't that just a factor of the semiconductor materials that are used to get the desired color

L399[07:43:07] <sham1> No, don't regret

L400[07:43:22] <Ordinastie_> I was kidding

L401[07:43:26] <sham1> Unless you don't use emacs

L402[07:43:36] <sham1> in which case you are an infidel

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L404[07:44:10] <gigaherz|work> I don't like anything that has "mac" in the name, unless it's for eating

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L406[07:44:23] <Xtcent> what is emac

L407[07:44:51] <gigaherz|work> "emacs" is a general-purpose text editor for unix/linux console

L408[07:44:52] <Ordinastie_> think I should just have shut the fuck up :x

L409[07:45:29] <gigaherz|work> it's in an endless war against vim and variants of it

L410[07:45:44] <gigaherz|work> while other editors just go like "lol, whatever."

L411[07:45:51] <Xtcent> huh never used it

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L413[07:48:15] <LatvianModder> I think I know whats up with LEDs, yo :P http://imgur.com/m5MAZAd & http://imgur.com/vd4sxbu

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L415[07:48:56] <LatvianModder> I keep SMD ones in tic-tac boxes because I can lol

L416[07:50:03] <gigaherz|work> not a bad place for them

L417[07:50:15] <masa> lol a box of arduinos

L418[07:50:31] <gigaherz|work> woudl be fun to have a modified sweetener dispenser

L419[07:50:32] <LatvianModder> yeah those are the few that I have left :/

L420[07:50:36] <masa> http://masa.dy.fi/temp/img_2715.jpg

L421[07:50:40] <gigaherz|work> that dispenses SMD leds

L422[07:51:01] <LatvianModder> Oh I had this board too, but I failed to understand how to connect it to PC :P

L423[07:52:01] <masa> this is my electronics components etc. closet :p http://masa.dy.fi/temp/huone_2014-03-16/img_2725.jpg

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L425[07:52:22] <gigaherz|work> I have one of these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NooGroove-USB-Board-ATMEGA32-AT90USB162-AVR-Stick-DFU-/160496312004

L426[07:52:23] <sham1> Best name for a folder

L427[07:52:30] <sham1> directory*

L428[07:52:34] <sham1> "Huone"

L429[07:53:25] <masa> well, it has pics of my room so..

L430[07:53:35] <sham1> I know, right

L431[07:54:02] <LatvianModder> is there FTP uploader for Androids?

L432[07:54:12] <LatvianModder> I hope there is. I dont want to use imgur every time I need to upload images

L433[07:54:29] <LatvianModder> wtf happened http://ss.latmod.com/pc/2016-08-24_15.52.25.jpg

L434[07:54:36] <LatvianModder> I guess it failed to upload it...

L435[07:54:48] <sham1> of corruptings

L436[07:54:51] <gigaherz|work> or partially uploaded

L437[07:55:01] <gigaherz|work> there's apps for android, such as the imgur app

L438[07:55:05] <gigaherz|work> that can upload for you

L439[07:55:06] <gigaherz|work> ;P

L440[07:55:48] <LatvianModder> But I want to upload on my server not imgur :P

L441[07:56:44] <gigaherz|work> oh I see

L442[07:58:29] <gigaherz|work> bb in a bit from home

L443[07:58:38] <gigaherz|work> I reached my saturation point for today

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L445[08:01:03] <Koward> Still can't get rid of that god damn graphical bug, items just always visually fall

L446[08:02:57] <TechnicianLP> hould it fall at all? if not give it nogravity (via nbt)

L447[08:03:09] <TechnicianLP> or make your own entity

L448[08:04:50] <masa> Koward: what are you doing?

L449[08:05:26] <Koward> I already made my own entity, the bug persists. What I'm doing is just keeping dropped items floating.

L450[08:06:18] <Koward> Their position is correct, you have to go at the surface to pick them up, but visually they look like falling and then teleporting back, at a tick pace

L451[08:07:09] <masa> well if you have your own entity and overrode the update method with your own position/speed update logic, then they shouldn't fall... unless you aren't changing the entity on the client?

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L453[08:08:55] <masa> have you verified that the item entity is your own on both sides?

L454[08:09:00] <Koward> I'm not sure how I could check that. The position&speed logic seems good, else I would not have the good position when trying to pick it up

L455[08:09:06] <Dragroth> Hey, how can i get an itemstack of a potion? for example the health-potion?

L456[08:09:11] <Koward> I switch it at EntityJoinWorld event.

L457[08:09:25] <masa> like, make a redstone ready world with no entities, and then breakpoint the EntityItem udpate method to see if it still gets called

L458[08:09:38] <masa> or otherwise list all entities in the world on both sides

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L460[08:10:04] <TechnicianLP> if it is you item: Look at item.createEntity and Item.hasCustomEntity

L461[08:10:48] <masa> Koward: and you have checked that the entity gets created/replaced on the client too?

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L463[08:11:02] <Koward> It is a class inherited from EntityItem and it wraps around it

L464[08:11:44] <Koward> No I have not, I simply use this event : http://hastebin.com/eqeboxekax.java

L465[08:12:05] <masa> if(event.getWorld().isRemote) return;

L466[08:12:13] <masa> so you are not doing it on the client then?

L467[08:12:32] <Koward> That's the server, no ?

L468[08:12:51] <masa> isRemote is true on the client

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L470[08:13:16] <masa> hmm so..

L471[08:14:24] <masa> but I guess no EntityItems should get spawned o nthe client side normally though, only when the server syncs them to the client

L472[08:14:27] <Koward> I just removed that line, and I now spawn hundreds of entity by just throwing it

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L474[08:17:46] <gigaherz> home o/

L475[08:18:53] <Koward> That's really, really weird

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L477[08:20:38] <Wuppy> \o

L478[08:21:05] <gigaherz> so in case anyone missed it yesterday

L479[08:21:08] <gigaherz> OS: Unsupported Windows 10.0 (Build #14393) CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K, 4.01 GHz, 0 KB Video: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (2560x1440x32bpp 59Hz) Sound: Speakers (2- Realtek High Defin Memory: Used: 10621/32708MB Uptime: 15h 49m 58s HD Space: Free: 1680.69 GB/4245.90 GB Connection: Intel(R) Ethernet Connection (2) I219-V-WFP 802.3 MAC Layer LightWeight

L480[08:21:08] <gigaherz> Filter-0000 @ 1000.0 Mbps (Rec: 359.97MB Sent: 219.92MB)

L481[08:21:15] <gigaherz> got my new computer parts

L482[08:21:22] <gigaherz> (kept the HDDs and PSU only)

L483[08:21:38] <gigaherz> the rest I'm selling to my flatmate

L484[08:22:38] <Wuppy> so jelly

L485[08:23:14] <LatvianModder> how much did it cost?

L486[08:23:47] <LatvianModder> HD Space: Free: 1680.69 GB/4245.90 GB WHAT the hell... I can only fill up 100 gb max on my own

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L488[08:26:04] <gigaherz> LatvianModder: ~1400 eur

L489[08:26:22] <gigaherz> and regarding HDD

L490[08:26:29] <LatvianModder> oh wow thats all I have.. well.. NO RAGRETS! *buys two*

L491[08:26:39] <gigaherz> I watch a lot of HD tv series

L492[08:26:55] <LatvianModder> oh, that makes sense. I dont watch anything

L493[08:26:58] <gigaherz> and I rarely delete stuff from the downloads folder

L494[08:27:06] <LatvianModder> I dont even have BitTorrent installed

L495[08:27:09] <gigaherz> so it piles up

L496[08:27:47] <LatvianModder> GTX 1070 vs GTX 1060. I can't decide which one I want

L497[08:27:58] <gigaherz> I had a gtx970

L498[08:28:00] <LatvianModder> 60 is way cheaper and also doesnt seem so much worse than 70

L499[08:28:09] <gigaherz> 1060 wasn't enough of a difference

L500[08:28:10] <gigaherz> ;P

L501[08:28:22] <LatvianModder> ok ok but get this

L502[08:30:52] <ThePsionic> Wuppy: At least I got your validation :P

L503[08:30:59] <Wuppy> hmm?

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L505[08:32:32] <ThePsionic> The song

L506[08:33:33] <Wuppy> still not as good as hardstyle though

L507[08:34:04] <ThePsionic> I mean, it had some elements of hardstyle

L508[08:34:31] <Wuppy> not the 3 best parts though: the speed, kick and bass

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L510[08:35:17] <ThePsionic> ah well, you can't have it all

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L512[08:37:09] <Wuppy> also, I've been listening to stuff like Lange Frans & The Vengaboys today so it's all over the place atm :P

L513[08:44:33] <Koward> Every time we change motionX,Y,Z of EntityItem it results in graphical bug. Could that be a vanilla problem ?

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L516[08:46:10] <gigaherz> crap

L517[08:46:18] <gigaherz> HarvestDropsEvent has no .setDrops

L518[08:46:42] <gigaherz> and I got a crash report saying the drops was an ImmutableList

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L520[08:46:58] <LatvianModder> im pretty sure you just modify getDrops()

L521[08:47:07] <gigaherz> it's an ImmutableList.

L522[08:47:10] <LatvianModder> getDrops().clear(), getDrops().add(whatever)

L523[08:47:15] <gigaherz> that's waht I do

L524[08:47:26] <gigaherz> xcept it'scrashing becasue ImmutableList doesn't like .clear()

L525[08:47:27] <gigaherz> ;P

L526[08:47:37] <LatvianModder> no its now

L527[08:47:39] <LatvianModder> not

L528[08:47:48] <gigaherz> THAT'S WHAT THE CRASH REPORT SAYS

L529[08:47:50] <LatvianModder> its called from Block.harvestBlock

L530[08:47:54] <LatvianModder> what? weird

L531[08:47:56] <gigaherz> http://pastebin.com/Qtgz0ZYq

L532[08:48:05] <gigaherz> it's from Explosion

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L535[08:48:32] <gigaherz> I'm checking if it's vanilla explosions or not

L536[08:48:34] <LatvianModder> forge bug maybe?

L537[08:49:24] <LatvianModder> because im my IDE I dont see it being marked as immutable

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L540[08:51:48] <gigaherz> !gm func_180653_a

L541[08:52:05] <gigaherz> okay you know what

L542[08:52:07] <gigaherz> it must be a mod

L543[08:52:44] <gigaherz> I'll have to ignore Immutables, even if it fucks up with the rocks system

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L545[08:53:55] <gigaherz> I wish List<T> had a .isReadonly

L546[08:53:58] <gigaherz> like C#'s lists have

L547[08:54:16] <gigaherz> I don't like using if (drops instanceof ImmutableList) return;

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L549[08:56:48] <sham1> But there is no such thing as an immutable list in Java

L550[08:56:55] <gigaherz> ofc there is

L551[08:57:11] <gigaherz> in libraries that implement them

L552[08:57:25] <sham1> Yes, in libraries

L553[08:57:43] <sham1> But why have this method exist for only library implementations

L554[08:57:54] <gigaherz> because not having this method

L555[08:58:00] <gigaherz> does NOT prevent lists from being made immutable

L556[08:58:05] <gigaherz> and there's NO WAY to know beforehand

L557[08:58:10] <gigaherz> if .clear, .add etc will crash

L558[08:58:18] <gigaherz> so because java doesn't have a way to indicate immutability

L559[08:58:26] <gigaherz> you haveto treat external libraries case-by-case

L560[08:59:15] <gigaherz> hence, not having such a method is bad.

L561[09:00:27] <gigaherz> WTF's Expedition mod does NOT play well with TNT ;P

L562[09:00:38] <gigaherz> (it lags to death)

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L565[09:05:55] <ThePsionic> god damnit blizzard http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20748794686

L566[09:07:42] <sham1> Is Owerwatch

L567[09:07:57] <sham1> Also, what am I looking for

L568[09:08:16] <sham1> I only see this terminal-like textbox

L569[09:08:20] <ThePsionic> Sombra ARG

L570[09:08:55] <gigaherz> I saw "topic is locked" ... then it twisted around and got some base64

L571[09:08:58] <ThePsionic> It's been going on for a while

L572[09:09:27] <gigaherz> https://gist.github.com/gigaherz/c50f8b81514b95f7e75d6330b94153e9

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L574[09:09:46] <gigaherz> which looks like it could be something else encoded, too

L575[09:09:50] <gigaherz> but I can't be bothered ;P

L576[09:10:01] <ThePsionic> Yeah you're not in deep enough lol

L577[09:10:05] <ThePsionic> It's been going for like

L578[09:10:07] <ThePsionic> A month

L579[09:10:14] <ThePsionic> And the conclusion finally seems to be nearing

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L624[11:50:22] <Corosus> lol

L625[11:50:45] <Corosus> just realized how broken the isCollided check for particles is, isCollided is only true if y != y

L626[11:50:55] <Corosus> i suspect that will never be true :P

L627[11:51:14] <BordListian> is y a float?

L628[11:51:20] <thor12022> quantum particles?

L629[11:51:23] <Corosus> a double

L630[11:51:28] <BordListian> then it could be true

L631[11:51:39] <BordListian> probably

L632[11:51:41] <Corosus> i think its supposed to be d0 != y, as they store the y as d0 before modifying it from collisions

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L635[12:04:09] <gigaherz> BordListian: no y != y can't be false

L636[12:04:26] <gigaherz> can't be true*

L637[12:04:30] <gigaherz> but (y * 2) / 2 != y could be

L638[12:05:09] <BordListian> are the special values also equal to themselves?

L639[12:05:17] <BordListian> NaN, -inf and +inf?

L640[12:06:55] <sham1> NaN is never equal with anything

L641[12:07:00] <sham1> Not even another NaN

L642[12:08:00] <gigaherz> I knwo nans aren't but not sure about infs

L643[12:08:24] <BordListian> then if y is NaN

L644[12:08:27] <BordListian> y != y

L645[12:08:38] <BordListian> :p

L646[12:09:08] <LatvianModder> NaN != NaN

L647[12:09:21] <LatvianModder> So that means (y != y) != (y != y)

L648[12:09:28] <LatvianModder> which means false != false

L649[12:09:31] <LatvianModder> what. the. fuck

L650[12:09:32] <BordListian> u wot

L651[12:09:40] <BordListian> (y != y) == (y != y)

L652[12:10:13] <BordListian> y != y returns false

L653[12:10:17] <BordListian> false == false

L654[12:10:40] <LatvianModder> http://ss.latmod.com/pc/2016-08-24_20.10.39.png

L655[12:10:42] <LatvianModder> No.

L656[12:10:47] <LatvianModder> NaN is not equal to itself

L657[12:11:06] <BordListian> tht's what i said

L658[12:11:11] <BordListian> oh right

L659[12:11:17] <LatvianModder> fail man

L660[12:11:18] <LatvianModder> :P

L661[12:11:19] <BordListian> replace false with true

L662[12:11:30] <BordListian> look you failed harder when you asserted that false != false

L663[12:11:43] <BordListian> so shut it

L664[12:11:45] <BordListian> :P

L665[12:11:48] <LatvianModder> alright. true != true

L666[12:12:05] <BordListian> dude i dare you to type that into java

L667[12:12:16] <BordListian> say that to my face irl and see what happens

L668[12:12:48] <LatvianModder> I just did

L669[12:12:57] <LatvianModder> thats where the screenshot is from

L670[12:13:00] <LatvianModder> |:I

L671[12:13:13] <BordListian> how is that true != true

L672[12:13:23] <LatvianModder> uuugh

L673[12:13:40] <BordListian> it would need to be (Double.NaN != Double.NaN) != (Double.NaN != Double.NaN)

L674[12:13:52] <LatvianModder> NaN is produced when y != y

L675[12:13:58] <LatvianModder> or 0 / 0

L676[12:14:11] <BordListian> NaN is produced from a wide range of operations but go on

L677[12:14:24] <LatvianModder> public static final boolean isNaNEqualToItself = Double.NaN == Double.NaN;

L678[12:14:27] <LatvianModder> this returns false

L679[12:14:40] <BordListian> yes

L680[12:14:44] <BordListian> go ahead

L681[12:14:51] <LatvianModder> thats it

L682[12:15:06] <BordListian> then why is true != true

L683[12:15:25] <BordListian> :I

L684[12:16:14] <LatvianModder> I take NaN as theory, not a number

L685[12:16:23] <LatvianModder> much like Infinity

L686[12:17:15] <BordListian> so what you meant to say is that there exists one case where equality of two floating point numbers is not consistent?

L687[12:17:35] <LatvianModder> Pretty much. Im a simple man, what do you want :P

L688[12:17:46] <BordListian> i got mad irl

L689[12:17:54] <LatvianModder> Cool

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L691[12:28:31] <MalkContent> huh

L692[12:28:48] <MalkContent> do pigmen drop xp when you aggrod them but did no damage to them?

L693[12:29:02] <MalkContent> i got a couple of suicidal ones jumping off a cliff here, dropping xp

L694[12:30:11] <masa> have you never seen the 1.8+ pigman gold farms?

L695[12:30:16] <masa> the answer is yes

L696[12:30:37] <gigaherz> yep

L697[12:30:38] <masa> aggro one, get infinite xp while standing still afk

L698[12:30:47] <gigaherz> they drop xp if they receive damage while aggroed to a player

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L700[12:31:34] <gigaherz> it's stupid but...

L701[12:31:47] <masa> yep..

L702[12:32:16] <masa> I actually had to build an xp burning mechanism to my gold farm so that the server doesn't crash because of the amount of entities :D

L703[12:34:27] <BordListian> dragon vessels for vanilla when

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L711[12:52:34] <MalkContent> lol

L712[12:52:37] <MalkContent> brutal

L713[12:53:04] <MalkContent> and no, ive never seen those

L714[12:53:26] <MalkContent> no overworld portal spam anymore?

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L726[13:25:04] <Xilef11> looks like the latest forge is no longer compatible with 1.9.4?

L727[13:26:07] <McJty> Latest forge is for 1.10.2

L728[13:26:44] <gigaherz> you mean mods for latest 1.10.2?

L729[13:26:51] <gigaherz> or that latest forge doesn't accept 1.9.4 mods?

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L731[13:27:09] <gigaherz> I don't see anything in the changelog about that

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L733[13:27:58] <Xilef11> I just updated the forge version for building my mod (last was also a 1.10.2 version) and didn't change any code, now my mod won't load in an 1.9.4 instance

L734[13:28:17] <gigaherz> did you have to change any code for it to compile?

L735[13:28:20] <Xilef11> no

L736[13:28:24] <gigaherz> do you have logs?

L737[13:28:38] <gigaherz> also, does it happen if you use older mappings with the same forge?

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L739[13:29:26] <Xilef11> same mappings

L740[13:31:09] <Xilef11> log: http://pastebin.com/MvaBYJUV

L741[13:32:22] <gigaherz> [14:29:55] [Client thread/ERROR] [FML]: The mod runesofwizardry does not wish to run in Minecraft version Minecraft 1.9.4. You will have to remove it to play.

L742[13:32:26] <gigaherz> you need

L743[13:32:35] <gigaherz> acceptedMinecraftVersions = "[1.9.4,1.11.0)",

L744[13:32:36] <gigaherz> or similar

L745[13:32:44] <gigaherz> if you want it backward-compatible

L746[13:32:54] <gigaherz> or more accurately, if you don't want forge 1.9.4 to reject it

L747[13:34:02] <Xilef11> that used to not be necessary

L748[13:34:58] <TechnicianLP> it corrects 1.9.4 to [1.9.4,1.10.2] but not the other way round

L749[13:35:20] <TechnicianLP> 1.11?

L750[13:37:35] <gigaherz> TechnicianLP: "up to, but not including, 1.11"

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L755[13:50:25] <gigaherz> back

L756[13:50:27] <gigaherz> [20:34] (Xilef11): that used to not be necessary

L757[13:50:31] <gigaherz> it has always been

L758[13:50:31] <gigaherz> but

L759[13:50:36] <gigaherz> you may have been building with 1.9.4 forge

L760[13:50:44] <gigaherz> and then it would work on newer forge

L761[13:50:52] <gigaherz> while the opposite has never worked without explicit version range

L762[13:51:20] <Xilef11> oh? I'm pretty sure I was building with 1.10.2-12.18.1.2014

L763[13:51:51] <Xilef11> (not sure I actually tried to run it on that version though :p )

L764[13:52:54] <gigaherz> well I'm sure either it wasn't working, or it wasn't that version

L765[13:52:55] <gigaherz> ;P

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L767[13:53:27] <gigaherz> because forge for 1.9.4 has never had an "if version is 1.10.2, change it to [1.9.4,1.10.2]" in it, the way the 1.10.2 forge does

L768[13:54:17] <Xilef11> makes sense, unless building on 1.10.2 did the change...

L769[13:54:36] <Xilef11> anyways, it works now that's the most important

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L771[14:07:31] <gigaherz> Xilef11: nope forge doesn't presume that your mod will be backward-compatible -- you have to be explicit about it ;P

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L780[14:33:15] <masa> what annoys me is that they did make that assumption for 1.9.4 to 1.10.x

L781[14:33:55] <masa> because one of my mods was one of those few that didn't work in 1.10

L782[14:38:43] <gigaherz> I just found something awesome: http://esheep.petrucci.ch/

L783[14:38:58] <gigaherz> masa: well, really

L784[14:39:10] <gigaherz> it's like, ALL the mods work, xcept an unlucky few

L785[14:39:14] <gigaherz> it had to be done

L786[14:39:17] <gigaherz> ;P

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L788[14:39:37] <masa> why though? to encourage modder lazyness? :p

L789[14:41:32] <gigaherz> no, because the mods worked as-is.

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L794[15:16:19] <BordListian> input.mouse.x = input.mouse.instance.position.x

L795[15:16:25] <BordListian> bordcodeslua.jpg

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L801[15:36:23] <gigaherz> meh

L802[15:36:36] <gigaherz> I got the legendary ring in wow earlier

L803[15:36:51] <gigaherz> that was my driving goal in wow these days

L804[15:36:56] <gigaherz> now all I have is waiting for the expansion

L805[15:37:26] <gigaherz> I'm over il700, I have completed all the LFR raids and their stories

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L807[15:41:54] <TechnicianLP> is there a way to make capabilities on itemstacks aware on metadata?

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L810[15:53:55] <heldplayer> !gm func_184592_cb

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L814[15:58:43] <gigaherz> TechnicianLP: what?

L815[16:01:03] <TechnicianLP> the metadata get set after capabilites are collected .... so nothing like this metadata has different caps tha the other one

L816[16:01:21] <gigaherz> hmmmm

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L819[16:02:06] <gigaherz> so you'd like different capabilities based on itemstack, but someone could change the metadata later with setItemDamage

L820[16:02:08] <gigaherz> I see your issue

L821[16:02:21] <TechnicianLP> by the constructor as we..

L822[16:02:40] <gigaherz> well initCapabilities has the ItemStack

L823[16:02:43] <gigaherz> so getting the initial one is easy

L824[16:02:53] <gigaherz> the only issue would be .setItemDamage

L825[16:03:23] <TechnicianLP> if you look at the constructor meta gets set after item

L826[16:03:37] <gigaherz> yes but initCapabilities gets called after, no?

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L828[16:03:58] <TechnicianLP> initCaps gets called by setItem

L829[16:04:32] <gigaherz> ah right

L830[16:04:34] <gigaherz> it's set before

L831[16:04:35] <gigaherz> hmf

L832[16:04:37] <gigaherz> well

L833[16:04:43] <gigaherz> it doesn't matter, really

L834[16:04:51] <gigaherz> what you attach

L835[16:04:53] <gigaherz> isn't a capability

L836[16:04:57] <gigaherz> it's an ICapabilityProvider

L837[16:05:07] <gigaherz> pass the ItemStack instance to this provider

L838[16:05:25] <gigaherz> and then whenever someone calls hasCapability/getCapability

L839[16:05:34] <gigaherz> check if the metadata is the same that you remember

L840[16:05:37] <gigaherz> and if not

L841[16:05:47] <TechnicianLP> why did i not see that solution?

L842[16:05:49] <gigaherz> discard the internal cache

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L858[16:40:41] <ThePsionic> ugh

L859[16:40:43] <ThePsionic> hexchat pls

L860[16:41:14] <ThePsionic> i have the python plugin installed but it doesn´t want to load this python script

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L864[16:51:12] <ThePsionic> I´m testing this real quick: ¨a quote¨

L865[16:51:18] <ThePsionic> well that didn´t work

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L869[16:55:01] <Ordinastie_> Dries007, ah, you're here too :p

L870[16:55:36] <Ordinastie_> was answering for the 2nd issue

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L874[17:22:40] <ThePsionic> http://amomentincrime.com/ this was at 3% three hours ago, if it updates every 3 hours then it will reach 100% in 288 hours, which is 12 days from now... hmm

L875[17:22:48] <ThePsionic> @Blizzard nice ARG tbh

L876[17:24:58] <ThePsionic> Actually it seems like once every 2 hours, making it 192 hours or 8 days

L877[17:25:16] <ThePsionic> #SombraConfirmedNextWeek

L878[17:25:22] <LexManos> What is this?

L879[17:25:36] <ThePsionic> The Sombra ARG, new Overwatch hero

L880[17:26:00] <ThePsionic> It has been going on for about a month now

L881[17:26:11] <LexManos> meh

L882[17:27:05] <LexManos> https://blizzcon.com/en-us/news/20194252/snag-a-blizzcon-goody-bag-in-a-box-with-the-virtual-ticket

L883[17:27:16] <LexManos> I may have to snag that... its got a ban hammer!

L884[17:28:27] <TehNut> I'd buy a virtual ticket if I played more than just Overwatch

L885[17:28:38] <TehNut> ThePsionic: And yeah, the ARG is really cool

L886[17:28:46] <ThePsionic> Mhm

L887[17:29:35] <ThePsionic> I like how, at one point, the detectives became so desperate for clues that they started looking for patterns and barcodes in the skyboxes of the game, at which point the devs had to step in and basically tell them that they were being dumb

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L889[17:30:27] <BordListian> kek

L890[17:31:40] <LexManos> hehe

L891[17:31:58] <LexManos> Not really, devs would do that.

L892[17:32:14] <LexManos> IIRC Minecraft had a easter egg in a snapshot having to do with clouds on time.

L893[17:32:36] <BordListian> you mean the QR code created by snow on a flatgrass world?

L894[17:32:56] <LexManos> no

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L897[17:33:47] <ThePsionic> I mean look at this shit https://imgur.com/a/FY9zC

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L899[17:33:56] <ThePsionic> You cannot take this seriously

L900[17:34:13] <MalkContent> :D

L901[17:34:13] <BordListian> lmfao

L902[17:34:24] <MalkContent> check that guys history

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L904[17:34:41] <MalkContent> maybe there's some juicy chemtrails stuff, too

L905[17:34:47] <MalkContent> also bigfoot

L906[17:35:46] <LexManos> ya that one is dumb

L907[17:36:01] <ThePsionic> But yeah, at the moment everything points to Sombra being released on Día de los Muertos

L908[17:36:17] <LexManos> actually that one makes it sound like hes making fun of the 'skycode'

L909[17:36:19] <ThePsionic> Most likely announced and PTR´d before that though

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L911[17:37:03] <ThePsionic> It is tbh

L912[17:37:09] <ThePsionic> This one is an actual one tho http://cdn.gamerant.com/wp-content/uploads/overwatch-sky-code-611x389.jpg.optimal.jpg

L913[17:37:09] <LexManos> So the haloween update

L914[17:37:14] <ThePsionic> Basically

L915[17:37:19] <LexManos> Anyways, overwatch is dumb, lets move on

L916[17:37:27] <ThePsionic> Except becau- oh ok

L917[17:37:57] <ThePsionic> So anyway, about those memes

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L921[17:45:10] <killjoy> !latest stable

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L925[17:55:48] <Ordinastie_> !gm 186025

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L933[18:13:05] <Ordinastie_> damn why does Optional.transform requires the function to return a non null :x

L934[18:13:18] <Ordinastie_> couldn't they just fromNullable() on the return value? :/

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L936[18:21:21] <killjoy> Ordinastie_, guava or java8?

L937[18:21:25] <Ordinastie_> guava

L938[18:21:50] <Ordinastie_> return new Present<V>(checkNotNull(function.apply(reference),

L939[18:21:50] <Ordinastie_> "the Function passed to Optional.transform() must not return null."));

L940[18:21:52] <killjoy> well it implements Function, right?

L941[18:21:57] <Ordinastie_> but WHY? :(

L942[18:22:09] <killjoy> Try Null.NULL

L943[18:22:21] <killjoy> I think that's right

L944[18:22:27] <Ordinastie_> wut ?

L945[18:22:39] <Ordinastie_> the issue is the function can return null

L946[18:22:42] <howtonotwin> Steal scala.Option :P

L947[18:23:07] <Ordinastie_> they says "must not return null", but for what reason is that ?

L948[18:23:55] <Ordinastie_> they could simply do return Optional.fromNullable(function.apply(reference));

L949[18:23:55] <killjoy> https://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-lang/apidocs/org/apache/commons/lang3/ObjectUtils.Null.html

L950[18:24:27] <Ordinastie_> but I don't want my other method to do something special

L951[18:24:37] <Ordinastie_> it just does map.remove(stuff);

L952[18:24:38] <killjoy> Rethink things

L953[18:24:57] <Ordinastie_> I want to know whyyyyy :'(

L954[18:25:19] <killjoy> I don't work for google

L955[18:25:28] <Ordinastie_> well, go there and ask!

L956[18:25:36] <howtonotwin> Honestly, from the looks of it, guava's Optional makes my FP side scream

L957[18:25:44] <Ordinastie_> FP ?

L958[18:25:48] <Ordinastie_> ah

L959[18:27:04] <killjoy> do Optional<Value<T>>

L960[18:27:12] <killjoy> where Value is a holder object

L961[18:27:38] <killjoy> or maybe just Optional<Optional<>>

L962[18:28:06] <Ordinastie_> but that means I need to change another part of the code totatlly unrelated simply to fit the pointless restrictions of transform()

L963[18:28:11] <Ordinastie_> that won't happen :p

L964[18:28:24] <killjoy> use java8's?

L965[18:28:37] <killjoy> reimplement it

L966[18:28:37] <Ordinastie_> I'm reading about it, see if I can do the same thing :p

L967[18:28:49] <killjoy> they use map instead of transform

L968[18:28:55] <Ordinastie_> just read that part :p

L969[18:29:10] <howtonotwin> You want flatMap

L970[18:29:11] <Ordinastie_> I was given the impression that Guava's was much better

L971[18:29:18] <killjoy> fromNullable is also different

L972[18:29:53] <killjoy> and they don't just overload or

L973[18:29:59] <Ordinastie_> also flatMap has the same restriction :s

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L975[18:30:21] <howtonotwin> flatMap != map

L976[18:30:40] <Ordinastie_> yeah I don't wat flatMap

L977[18:30:45] <Ordinastie_> I do want map

L978[18:30:57] <Ordinastie_> and they do use Optinal.ofNullable()

L979[18:31:02] <howtonotwin> you turn your function, which is input -> output (nullable), into flatMap input -> Optional(output) (never null)

L980[18:31:37] <howtonotwin> Basically stick an ofNullable at the end of your function

L981[18:31:45] <Ordinastie_> map() does that already

L982[18:32:12] <howtonotwin> map NPEs if you return null, which was your problem, no?

L983[18:32:35] <Ordinastie_> the function is not null, the return value of the function can be

L984[18:32:51] <Ordinastie_> and it does : return Objects.requireNonNull(mapper.apply(value));

L985[18:32:59] <Ordinastie_> wait no

L986[18:33:01] <Ordinastie_> that's flatMap

L987[18:33:05] <Ordinastie_> return Optional.ofNullable(mapper.apply(value));

L988[18:33:06] <Ordinastie_> there

L989[18:35:17] <howtonotwin> End result: You want Java8's Optional::map and my last 3 messages were dumb :P

L990[18:35:43] <Ordinastie_> well, you tried :p

L991[18:35:59] <killjoy> just implement that one method as a static util method

L992[18:36:11] <Ordinastie_> I'd rather just use Java's

L993[18:36:16] <Ordinastie_> fits my needs

L994[18:36:22] <howtonotwin> And what in cake was Google thinking when they implemented Optional, but then proceeded to not make it a proper monad.

L995[18:36:29] <killjoy> hey, if you're already using java 8, go for it

L996[18:36:29] <Ordinastie_> and I don't see what guava's would have better over java's

L997[18:39:20] <Ordinastie_> fuck, it's too damn hot :x

L998[18:39:24] <Ordinastie_> almost 30

L999[18:39:37] <killjoy> why is it 30?

L1000[18:39:50] <killjoy> that's like 90, right?

L1001[18:39:51] <Ordinastie_> because it's hot ?

L1002[18:40:13] <Ordinastie_> 86

L1003[18:40:22] <killjoy> close enough

L1004[18:40:26] <Ordinastie_> yes

L1005[18:40:33] <Ordinastie_> but it's almost 2AM

L1006[18:41:25] <killjoy> that's summer for you.

L1007[18:41:29] <killjoy> Unless it's from your computer

L1008[18:41:51] <Ordinastie_> windows are open

L1009[18:41:59] * howtonotwin tries to bake a cake with Ordi's CPU

L1010[18:42:00] <Ordinastie_> but no air flow

L1011[18:42:18] <killjoy> get a large trashcan of ice and put it in your room

L1012[18:42:35] <killjoy> that outta keep the servers cool

L1013[18:42:51] <Ordinastie_> cpu and gpu temps are not that high

L1014[18:42:59] <Ordinastie_> not asking much of them anyway

L1015[18:43:12] * howtonotwin remembers the one guy who baked their iPhone into a cake

L1016[18:43:37] * howtonotwin wishes he had enough money to be able to do that

L1017[18:43:55] <Ordinastie_> oh, actually, CPU temps are high :x

L1018[18:44:01] <killjoy> There's this youtube channel that does things with an iphone 7 and drops it from 100ft

L1019[18:44:07] <Ordinastie_> 65°

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L1021[18:44:19] <killjoy> to see if it survives

L1022[18:44:27] <howtonotwin> But is it as exciting as crushing a book in a hydraulic press?

L1023[18:44:29] <killjoy> the first one I saw was with harry potter and the order of the pheonix

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L1026[18:47:54] <shadekiller666> anyone here use IDEA 2016 community edition for dev?

L1027[18:48:05] <killjoy> rollcall!

L1028[18:48:10] <TehNut> o/

L1029[18:48:51] <shadekiller666> i have 2016.2.2 community, and the dickheads at JetBrains made json file support only be included in the ultimate edition

L1030[18:49:01] <killjoy> wow.

L1031[18:49:04] <killjoy> get vscode

L1032[18:49:14] <killjoy> have it be opened with that

L1033[18:49:30] <howtonotwin> notepad++? JSON isn't exactly complicated :P

L1034[18:49:33] <shadekiller666> though community edition still syntax highlights and formats jsons correctly

L1035[18:49:45] <killjoy> then what do you mean "support"?

L1036[18:49:54] <TehNut> ^

L1037[18:50:00] <TehNut> I'm not noticing anything different tbh

L1038[18:50:06] <Ordinastie_> it's not the right shade of blue!

L1039[18:50:55] <shadekiller666> but if you try and rename a file to end with .json, it throws up a window that says something like "this file type is only supported in the ultimate edition" or something, remembers the file name you gave it, and disables syntax highlighting and formatting checks for that specific filename

L1040[18:51:03] <shadekiller666> and its really fucking annoying

L1041[18:51:16] <shadekiller666> its not so much the syntax highlighting

L1042[18:51:22] <shadekiller666> its the formatting support

L1043[18:51:47] <howtonotwin> jsonlint.com will lint AND format it :D

L1044[18:52:10] <TehNut> Um

L1045[18:52:13] <TehNut> It didn't for me

L1046[18:52:32] <TehNut> Created blah.txt, renamed to blah.json, no popup

L1047[18:52:56] <shadekiller666> in what version of IDEA 2016?

L1048[18:53:02] <TehNut> 2.2

L1049[18:53:09] <shadekiller666> wtf

L1050[18:53:22] <shadekiller666> did you use Refactor | Rename

L1051[18:53:34] <shadekiller666> or just change the file name in windows

L1052[18:53:46] <TehNut> Shift+F6

L1053[18:53:49] <TehNut> So rename I think

L1054[18:54:27] <shadekiller666> ok

L1055[18:54:34] <TehNut> Yeah I'm having 0 issues creating and modifying JSON files in any way

L1056[18:54:49] <shadekiller666> i can create them from scratch with no issues

L1057[18:55:18] <shadekiller666> but i have this one json filename that it refuses to recognize as a json

L1058[18:55:45] <TehNut> I've had that issue before, actually. I'm not sure why and I'm not sure how I fixed it

L1059[18:56:22] <shadekiller666> because "we're jetbrains and we're removing support for a file type in the community edition that we used to include because fuck you we want our money"

L1060[18:56:38] <killjoy> maybe there's a plugin

L1061[18:56:47] <shadekiller666> i've tried finding one

L1062[18:57:04] <TehNut> Except they didn't do that...

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L1064[18:57:10] <TehNut> Again, I have 0 issues.

L1065[18:57:35] <TehNut> Well, that one. But I've noticed that since 2014 or something

L1066[18:57:45] <shadekiller666> do you remember anything about how you fixed the file association?

L1067[18:58:18] <shadekiller666> it has to be stored in some file somewhere

L1068[18:58:43] <TehNut> Does it work if you name it something else?

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L1070[18:59:28] <shadekiller666> i can create a file named <anything>.json except for "busLiftPlatform.json", and it will recognize it fine

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L1072[18:59:55] <shadekiller666> but if i create one that is named "busLiftPlatform.json" it thinks its a regular text file

L1073[19:00:43] <Ordinastie_> wait, does idea have "Open as" for files, like eclipse has ?

L1074[19:00:49] <TehNut> That name works for me. So I'm not sure

L1075[19:01:25] <shadekiller666> ...

L1076[19:01:48] <killjoy> eclipse has open with

L1077[19:01:49] <shadekiller666> i just made "stupidThing.txt", refactored it to "stupidThing.json", and it worked fine...

L1078[19:02:32] <shadekiller666> the refactor that disabled busLiftPlatform.json for me happened in an earlier version of 2016 community edition...

L1079[19:02:32] <Ordinastie_> wait, so you mean jetbrains doesn't really want your money ?

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L1083[19:07:02] <shadekiller666> ....

L1084[19:07:07] <shadekiller666> mother fucker....

L1085[19:08:12] <shadekiller666> the Text file type in the Settings | Editor | File Types has "busLiftPlatform.json" in its Registered Patterns list...

L1086[19:08:32] <killjoy> name all your json files .jason

L1087[19:08:53] <killjoy> so why can't you change the file association?

L1088[19:09:25] <shadekiller666> i can, i just didn't realize that it was under the File Type of "Text"

L1089[19:09:30] <Ordinastie_> so I guess i was right ? <Ordinastie_> wait, does idea have "Open as" for files, like eclipse has ?

L1090[19:11:45] <shadekiller666> no it doesn't

L1091[19:12:17] <shadekiller666> it associates patterns with types, and always opens them in that

L1092[19:12:18] <shadekiller666> afaik

L1093[19:12:25] <Ordinastie_> yes that what I means

L1094[19:12:28] <Ordinastie_> *meant

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L1096[19:12:56] <killjoy> can it open in an external program?

L1097[19:12:58] <Ordinastie_> except I should have said "Open with"

L1098[19:13:24] <shadekiller666> i believe so

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L1113[20:11:23] <luacs1998> is there an easy place where i can get statistics on who runs what mc version?

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L1139[21:07:18] <shadekiller666> all of the colors on my main monitor just inverted themselves...

L1140[21:07:24] <shadekiller666> but not on my second monitro

L1141[21:07:27] <shadekiller666> monitor*

L1142[21:07:29] <shadekiller666> wtf

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L1154[21:38:31] <killjoy> How do I get a BufferedImage from a DynamicTexture?

L1155[21:48:51] <tterrag> you don't :P

L1156[21:48:57] <tterrag> or rather - why would you want to?

L1157[21:49:30] <tterrag> it is possible, but I think this might be an XY problem :D

L1158[21:54:58] <tterrag> for my own question - what's the best way to replace a vanilla blocks' model with a custom IBakedModel

L1159[21:55:10] <tterrag> resource override? if so, how/

L1160[22:00:49] <killjoy> I ended up extending DynamicTexture and have it save the image

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L1166[22:07:50] <tterrag> killjoy: that's a huge waste of memory but ok :P

L1167[22:08:00] <killjoy> I use it temporarially

L1168[22:08:08] <killjoy> as soon as I'm done with it, it's deleted

L1169[22:08:12] <tterrag> make sure to kill the reference

L1170[22:08:16] <killjoy> yes.

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L1172[22:09:04] <killjoy> DynamicTexture saves the data anyway

L1173[22:09:21] <killjoy> as int[]

L1174[22:11:30] <tterrag> yes, that's why I said it was a waste

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L1176[22:24:50] <tterrag> fry: why is MultiModel deprecated?

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L1196[23:29:21] <McJty> In a network packet you can use this code to schedule a task for executation in the main thread: FMLCommonHandler.instance().getWorldThread(ctx.netHandler).addScheduledTask(

L1197[23:29:31] <McJty> How can one do that elsewhere (server side)?

L1198[23:30:36] <McJty> ah world.getMinecraftServer().addScheduledTask()

L1199[23:42:36] <tterrag> what is the point of this check? http://pastebin.com/sGt62uXt

L1200[23:42:50] <tterrag> why does the parent need to be VanillaModelWrapper ?

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