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L1[00:00:46] * TehNut
looks for willie's gist
L3[00:01:39] <Tazz> mmmmm enums that a
purely numeric :D
L4[00:02:01] <tterrag> please no
L5[00:02:04] <tterrag> I hate C style
enums
L6[00:02:09] <Tazz> tterrag, why? :O
L7[00:02:11] <Tazz> I love them :(
L8[00:02:18] <tterrag> enums being usable as
numbers is nice
L9[00:02:25] <tterrag> but not being able to
do LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE with them is annoying
L10[00:02:30] <tterrag> C style enums are
just fancy numbers
L11[00:02:36] <Tazz> haha
L12[00:02:40] <Tazz> well
L13[00:02:43] <tterrag> you can't iterate
them, you can't add fields to them
L14[00:02:45] <tterrag> nothing
L15[00:02:48] <Tazz> enums in Eschelle are
kinda interesting...
L16[00:02:56] <Tazz> they arent like java's
enums
L17[00:03:09] <Tazz> they are kinda in the
middle of C-style enums and Java's style
L18[00:03:22] <tterrag> I would enjoy some
kind of fusion between the two
L19[00:03:29] <Tazz> like example:
L20[00:03:36] <tterrag> automatic
(compile-time) converstion to int
L21[00:03:40] <tterrag> but still allowing
custom fields/methods
L22[00:04:31] <tterrag> btw, is your
language jvm- based, or native?
L24[00:06:25] <Tazz> tterrag, its JIT
compiled
L25[00:06:43] <Tazz> using a hand rolled
compiler
L26[00:06:51] <tterrag> switch statement
for tostring? bleh
L27[00:06:58] <Tazz> tterrag, its an
example haha
L28[00:07:02] <tterrag> JIT compiled?
meaining what exactly
L29[00:07:14] <tterrag> it's not
precompiled at all?
L30[00:07:16] <tterrag> ONLY at
runtime?
L31[00:07:20] <Tazz> at runtime
L32[00:07:24] <tterrag> interesting
L33[00:07:31] <tterrag> so it needs some
kind of program to run it
L35[00:07:36] <Tazz> well technicaly
L37[00:07:49] <Tazz> it needs the Eschelle
VM
L38[00:07:52] <Tazz> which is like Nodes
VM
L39[00:07:59] <Tazz> it mainly just
controls program state as it compiles it
L40[00:08:02] <tterrag> so it is a VM
language...just not the JVM
L41[00:08:06] <tterrag> :P
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L43[00:08:13] <Tazz> technically speaking
yes
L44[00:08:23] <Tazz> however the entire
program is compiled to machine code
L45[00:08:39] <Tazz> well relevant bits of
the program
L46[00:08:46] <tterrag> a lot of people
hate on java's magical enum methods (extending Enum class) but
honestly I like it
L47[00:08:55] <tterrag> not having to write
toString or ordinal or etc for my enums is nice :P
L48[00:09:17] <Tazz> in Eschelle ordinal is
just the enum itself
L49[00:09:22] <Tazz> its a numeric
representation of the enum
L50[00:09:24] <tterrag> which is fine
L51[00:09:30] <tterrag> that's actually
what I was suggesting
L52[00:09:33] <Tazz> however all functions
declared inside the enum body are declared static
L53[00:09:45] <Tazz> and invokving them can
be either through implicit references to them
L54[00:09:46] <tterrag> but I still would
like instance based enums
L55[00:10:00] <Tazz> like modifier.add() if
theres a def add();
L56[00:10:05] <Tazz> or
modifier.tostring();
L57[00:10:24] <tterrag> that's going to
result in a lot of branching code, no?
L58[00:10:32] <tterrag> if every method has
to check which constant it's being called on
L59[00:10:36] <Tazz> well
L60[00:10:39] <tterrag> instead of an OOP
approach where the constant can define its own behavior
L62[00:10:45] <tterrag> (i.e. java)
L63[00:10:45] <Tazz> however
L64[00:10:56] <tterrag> unless your
compiler unrolls it
L65[00:10:58] <Tazz> I may find a method to
do some trickery like that
L66[00:10:59] <tterrag> somehow
L67[00:11:09] <Tazz> where it fits with the
syntax and whatnot
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L69[00:11:34] <Tazz> as it stands enums are
technically numeric values with some syntactic sugar spread upon
them to allow their static functions to be called like instance
functions
L70[00:11:47] <tterrag> kFinal { def
toString(): String { return "final"; }}
L71[00:11:48] <tterrag> :P
L72[00:11:50] <Tazz> however the functions
dont know their owners so theres no state for them
L73[00:12:00] <Tazz> well
L74[00:12:04] <Tazz> I could do that
L75[00:12:14] <Tazz> however that requires
enums to take an instance representation
L76[00:12:27] <Tazz> and I like C-Style
enums but I hate that they cant contain functions internally
L77[00:12:33] <Tazz> maybe
L78[00:12:43] <Tazz> do that
L79[00:12:44] <tterrag> I like instance
based enums
L80[00:12:52] <tterrag> it leads to better
OOP code
L81[00:12:58] <Tazz> but unravel the value
of the enum
L82[00:13:11] <Tazz> so like technically
kFINAL == 2
L83[00:13:14] <tterrag> I am totally
unboard with converting enums to ints on compile time though
L84[00:13:14] <Tazz> (or whatever)
L85[00:13:19] <tterrag> onboard *
L86[00:13:19] <tterrag> lol
L87[00:13:34] <Tazz> hmmm actually 1
sec
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L91[00:17:40] <tterrag> seems like java,
except Enum extends Number :P
L92[00:17:46] <Tazz> since in Eschelle
Number has proto functions that allow for operator overriding
L93[00:18:09] <Tazz> I could make Enum
block the operators that modify its state
L94[00:18:28] <Tazz> however any class that
extends Number holds a numeric value that it represents
L95[00:18:35] <Tazz> hence Number
L96[00:18:53] <Tazz> which would allow
someone to get the ordinal without referencing
Modifier#ordinal
L97[00:18:59] <Tazz> its just a numeric
representation
L98[00:19:23] <Tazz> but subclassing it and
adding proto functions to the class and subclassing that class
allows for stuff like that :D
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L100[00:19:40] <Tazz> and still supports
C-style enums to a degree
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L103[00:20:21] <Tazz> also Im not sure how
people feel about making k<name> a standard but its happening
because thats my style XD
L104[00:20:46] <tterrag> I don't really
get it :P
L105[00:21:15] <Tazz> Ive been using
k<name> for enumeration values in C/C++ for a bit and I feel
it makes it cleaner
L106[00:21:49] <Tazz> just having
<name> makes it unclear without referencing it whether or not
its a enumeration value or a constant or an identifier or
whatnot
L107[00:22:53] <tterrag> why k?
L108[00:22:56] <tterrag> konstant?
L109[00:23:16] *
Tazz isnt sure
L110[00:23:43] <Tazz> I saw it in some
project google was working on (I think gumbo) and it just clicked
with me
L111[00:23:56] <Tazz> apparently its their
code style guideline for C/C++ projects too
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L113[00:25:41] <Tazz> Variables declared
constexpr or const, and whose value is fixed for the duration of
the program, are named with a leading "k" followed by
mixed case.
L114[00:25:56] <Tazz> as quoted by their
style guide...
L115[00:28:01] <Tazz> Im not sure I really
wanna rewrite 3000+ lines of code in C (which will prolly be more
:() for this flow graph compiler :(
L116[00:32:32] <tterrag> :()
L117[00:32:35] <harmony> rip
L118[00:32:37] <harmony> :)
L119[00:32:51] <Tazz> and yes there are
3000 lines of code haha
L120[00:32:58] <Tazz> instructions.h alone
holds 1000
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L122[00:34:09] <Tazz>
intermediate_language.h*
L123[00:34:19] <Tazz> 1594 LoC
L124[00:35:10] <Tazz>
flow_graph_allocator.h (a register allocator for the flow graph)
contains 1262 LoC :(
L125[00:35:16] <Tazz> err .cc
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L128[00:38:56] <harmony> "Java is a
pure Unicode system, and so is Windows, if one consistently uses
the "W" operating system functions at the C level. Java
should move to doing things this way. Currently a mixture of the W
and A functions are being used." WHAT?
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L133[00:53:20] <barteks2x> uh... I'm
switching to chunkGC, just like spong.Chunk unloading code is
getting way too complicated
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L146[01:59:43] <tterrag> LexManos: I
really need to clean up the organization on the docs. of course
this will break existing links for some pages. would you want to do
an announcement before I reorganize or should I just deal with
it?
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L154[02:14:23] <tterrag> huh...I just now
realized that ActionResult isn't used for blocks
L155[02:14:24] <tterrag> why? :(
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L162[02:30:10] <barteks2x> this is the
first time I have no electricity but I have internet :D
L163[02:33:00] <kashike> lol
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L167[02:46:50] <barteks2x> What is the
correct way to get client world in TickEvent.ClientTickEvent?
L169[02:47:20] <tterrag> they feel
"misaligned"
L170[02:48:27] <barteks2x> In my code
(which was port of M3L version) I used Minecraft.getMinecraft()...,
but that doesn't seem right
L171[02:49:06] <barteks2x>
FMLClientHandler.instance().getWorldClient()?
L172[02:50:03] <tterrag> if you are in
ClientTickEvent Minecraft.getMinecraft is perfectly valid
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L174[02:54:16] <barteks2x> is it also
valid in client packet handler?
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L178[02:58:31] <tterrag> don't access any
game code from a packet handler
L179[02:58:53] <tterrag> and yes, just do
Minecraft.getMinecraft.addScheduledTask(() -> {...})
directly
L180[02:59:17] <tterrag> checking thread
context is unnecessary
L181[02:59:22] <tterrag> (it will always
be false in a packet handler
L182[02:59:41] <barteks2x> not here. I
check it, and if it's wrong thread, I schedule calling the same
method from main thread
L184[02:59:45] <tterrag> and tell me how
it's looking?
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L196[03:36:46] <Me4502> I'm having a
mental blank, and can't find the answer anywhere... What's the
argument to run with a coremod in an IDE? I've tried coreClass=,
coreMod=, coreModClass=
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-Dfml.coreMods.load=
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L208[03:40:58] <Me4502> Except forge is
now completely ignoring the argument?
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L215[03:44:51] <Me4502> I put it in the
wrong spot :|
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L232[04:23:38] <Me4502> Okay - so it seems
IntelliJ is outputting resources to build/resources/main/*, which
is presumably causing an issue where the mods can't see their
access transformers, or mixin declarations
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L243[04:48:18] <Cazzar> Me4502: "so
it seems IntelliJ is outputting resources to
build/resources/main/*"
L244[04:48:24] <Me4502> Yeah
L245[04:48:24] <Cazzar> That has been the
norm for a while
L246[04:48:30] <Me4502> Okay, so then
that's not the cause
L247[04:48:47] <Cazzar> I think, 3-4 major
versions
L248[04:48:58] <Me4502> But basically,
anytime a file is read from the classpath, it's not there
L249[04:49:11] <Me4502> So the resources
dir is not in the classpath. It's marked as a resources dir, and
it's being correctly moved
L250[04:51:37] <Me4502>
build/resources/main/ is not in the classpath
L251[04:52:03] <Me4502> Just printed all
of classloader.getURLs()
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manually added the output location to the classpath
L254[04:54:06] <Me4502> But no idea why
all of a sudden it's not there by default
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L288[06:21:13] <Subaraki> anyone ever
played a video in java ? i'm looking for a library worthy of the
name, but eveyrthing is old and outdated
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L290[06:26:31] <gigaherz|work> hmmm
L291[06:26:44] <gigaherz|work> changes are
the easiest solution would be a web viewer
L292[06:26:55] <gigaherz|work> with an
html5 <video> tag
L293[06:26:57] <gigaherz|work>
chances*
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L299[06:34:39] <sham1> One could also try
to use some native GUI components
L300[06:35:01] <sham1> WHich obviously
depend on the windowing system and stuff like GStreamer for Linux
or whatever
L301[06:35:22] <sham1> One could get the
native window handle for an AWT window
L302[06:35:22] <gigaherz|work> yeah but
that's horribly complicated to achieve
L303[06:35:23] <Subaraki> native gui
components ?
L304[06:35:30] <sham1> gigaherz|work: It
is
L305[06:35:34] <sham1> But it is a
possibility
L306[06:35:40] <gigaherz|work> Subaraki:
as in, using JNI and coding the controls yourself
L307[06:35:47] <gigaherz|work> it's the
worst-case scenario
L308[06:35:55] <Subaraki> all i really
need is to play a 8 second sequence
L309[06:36:00] <Subaraki> no need for play
or pause or whatever
L310[06:36:04] <Subaraki> its an intro to
a game
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L312[06:36:22] <gigaherz|work> not
minecraft?
L313[06:36:46] <Subaraki> no sorry
:s
L314[06:36:51] <gigaherz|work> ahh
L315[06:36:52] <Subaraki> i do have awt
though x)
L316[06:36:55] <gigaherz|work> opengl,
though?
L317[06:37:03] <Subaraki> nope :s just
2d
L318[06:37:09] <gigaherz|work> so?
L319[06:37:13] <gigaherz|work> you can do
2D with opengl ;P
L320[06:37:19] <gigaherz|work> so waht do
you use for drawing?
L321[06:37:35] <Subaraki> java swing
L322[06:37:37] <Subaraki> and awt
L323[06:37:43] <gigaherz|work> so it's
JUST swing/awt
L324[06:37:47] <Subaraki> yeah
L325[06:37:48] <Subaraki> ._.
L326[06:38:01] <Subaraki> maybe i should
incorporate opengl for the video
L327[06:38:06] <gigaherz|work> nah
L329[06:38:59] <sham1> Stackoverflow has
an answer utalizing VLC
L330[06:39:25] <Subaraki> ive seen into
that
L331[06:39:34] <Subaraki> i can't monetize
my game though if i use vlcj
L332[06:39:39] <gigaherz|work> why
not?
L333[06:40:41] <gigaherz|work> you can
make the game opensource and still sell it
L334[06:40:50] <gigaherz|work> they are
not mutually exclusive ;P
L335[06:41:13] <sham1> Yeah
L336[06:41:22] <sham1> One can even sell
Free SoftwarTM
L337[06:41:24] <Subaraki> If you want to
consider a commercial license for vlcj that allows you to use
and
L338[06:41:24] <Subaraki> redistribute
vlcj without complying with the GPL then send your proposal
to:
L339[06:41:30] <Subaraki> this got me
confused ^
L340[06:41:50] <gigaherz|work> yes that
means
L341[06:42:00] <gigaherz|work> if you do
NOT want to make the source code available under the GPL
terms
L342[06:42:03] <gigaherz|work> contact
them.
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L344[06:42:40] <sham1> Although monetizing
Free Software is weird seeing as once one has bought the copy of
the product you made, they can just distribute it for free
L345[06:42:46] <sham1> free as in free
beer
L346[06:43:00] <Subaraki> free beer
\o/
L347[06:43:12] <sham1> Which makes it not
the best method for making money off of software
L348[06:43:27] <Subaraki> yeah okay, so i
can like put the game on steam (big dreams) but if the code is
opensource, i dont have to contact whatever right ?
L349[06:43:32] <Subaraki> sweet
L350[06:44:39] <gigaherz|work> just keep
in mind anyone has the right to take your game
L351[06:44:40] <gigaherz|work> compile
it
L352[06:44:46] <gigaherz|work> and share
it elsewere for free
L353[06:44:46] <gigaherz|work> ;P
L354[06:45:10] <gigaherz|work> you MAY be
able to get away with saying you sell the "level
packs"
L355[06:45:16] <gigaherz|work> and other
game assets
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L357[06:45:22] <gigaherz|work> and that
only the engine is GPL
L358[06:47:09] <Subaraki> i'll write in
very small letters very far away that it is open source :P
L359[06:47:59] <Subaraki> OR, i export my
8 second sequence as only pure images (i have no sound anyway) and
display the images at 24 img/s
L360[06:48:03] <Subaraki> no licencing
shit needed
L361[06:48:16] <gigaherz|work> horribly
inefficient, though
L362[06:48:36] <gigaherz|work> interframe
compression is like 95% of the video efficiency
L363[06:49:00] <Subaraki> yeah i know. but
given all the licence poop we need to compell with ...
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go
L366[06:50:52] <gigaherz|work> Subaraki:
did you take a look at the JavaFX Mediaplayer component?
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L383[07:22:54] <LatvianModder> anyone who
knows html here? I need to figure out how to get my embed page to
have 100% height. and no, height="100%" doesnt work
:P
L384[07:23:24] <Disconsented> got the page
somewhere?
L385[07:24:02] <LatvianModder> sec, gonna
generate it
L386[07:24:11] <LatvianModder> its a
table, basically
L387[07:24:26] <LatvianModder> FTBU
tops/stats
L389[07:25:24] <LatvianModder> here's just
the table
L390[07:25:55] <Disconsented> weird
L391[07:25:58] <TechnicianLP> lokks like
xml
L392[07:26:02] <Disconsented> bit funky on
firefox
L393[07:26:14] <LatvianModder> it should
be just table
L394[07:26:21] <TechnicianLP> its just
text
L395[07:26:44] <LatvianModder>
screenshot?
L396[07:27:23] <Disconsented> So you just
want to embed that in another page right?
L398[07:27:46] <LatvianModder> yes, so
other people can embed it in their server home pages and what
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L401[07:28:24] <sham1> Jesus
L402[07:28:42] <LatvianModder> Hm?
L403[07:29:00] <LatvianModder> Also, Java
proooobably isnt the best way to generate HTML code :P
L404[07:29:46] <sham1> Servlets can
work
L405[07:29:52] <sham1> As long as it is
Spring
L406[07:30:08] <sham1> And
factoryfactorybeanfactoryannotationfactoryinstancebeanfactory
L407[07:30:32] <TechnicianLP> thats
factoyception?
L408[07:30:51] <sham1> Nope, that's
standard Spring
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L412[07:39:38] <kashike> hehe spring
L413[07:42:27] <Disconsented>
Basiclly
L414[07:42:32] <Disconsented> you need an
explicit value
L415[07:42:35] <Disconsented> % wont
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L422[07:46:51] <LatvianModder> so you just
set it to 2800?
L423[07:47:04] <Disconsented> 175em
L424[07:47:07] <Disconsented> but
yeah
L425[07:47:25] <LatvianModder> but you
know that this table can be 1 - 1000 entries
L426[07:47:28] <LatvianModder> what
then?
L427[07:47:36] <LatvianModder> The height
basically isnt constant
L428[07:47:45] <Disconsented> Should find
another way to do it
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L430[07:47:56] <LatvianModder> actually..
I think I figured out
L431[07:48:06] <LatvianModder> Instead of
table.. im gonna generate an image...
L432[07:48:13] <Disconsented> That works
as well
L433[07:48:23] <LatvianModder> sweet
L434[07:48:26] <Disconsented> Was going to
suggest json -> javascript
L435[07:48:35] <Disconsented> bit more
work however
L436[07:48:36] <LatvianModder> Im also
providing .json yes
L437[07:48:52] <LatvianModder> that was my
initial plan, but I wanted to give directly displayable data
too
L438[07:49:02] <Disconsented> Thats what
the js is for
L439[07:49:15] <Disconsented> js would
read and then manipulate the DOM
L440[07:49:24] <LatvianModder> I have
never done any web stuff, so I dont know how those things
work
L442[07:49:56] <LatvianModder> ok, let's
see if I can gen an image
L443[07:50:02] <Disconsented> MDN is an
excellent source
L444[07:50:38] <Disconsented>
anyways
L445[07:50:39] <Disconsented> its
1am
L446[07:50:42] <Disconsented> sleep
time
L447[07:50:44] <LatvianModder> o
L448[07:50:46] <LatvianModder> o/
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L453[08:03:42] <LatvianModder> What is
going on with java.awt.Color... why it has red & RED?
L454[08:03:59] <sham1> Because
L455[08:05:44] <LatvianModder> |:I
L456[08:05:49] <LatvianModder> x100
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L496[10:36:33] <airbreather> so I have
some mods with builds for 1.7.10, 1.8.9, 1.9, and 1.9.4. upgrading
a 1.7.10 world straight to 1.9 or 1.9.4, I lose all the mod-added
items from 1.7.10. upgrading 1.7.10 --> 1.8.9 --> (1.9 or
1.9.4), the mod-added items survive the upgrade process. is this
expected?
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L498[10:37:38] <airbreather> one thing I
didn't mention, oops... the scary part is that when going straight
from 1.7.10 --> (1.9 or 1.9.4), it doesn't warn me about
unmapped items from the old mod version, they just vanish
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L500[10:42:07] <gigaherz> airbreather: I
haven't looked into the upgrade process, but since the registry
system changed in 1.9
L501[10:42:16] <gigaherz> it is possible
that, forge just doesn't keep so many upgrade paths
L502[10:42:55] <gigaherz> either way,
upgrading between major versions is almost always catastrophic for
most mods so don't worry too much
L503[10:42:55] <gigaherz> ;P
L504[10:44:33] <airbreather> well my mods
are all small enough that I can afford to do any extra stuff to
make it all work. I think even the ones that existed as far back as
1.6.4 will still upgrade all the way up properly
L505[10:45:07] <airbreather> but OK,
that's fair, thanks
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L519[11:36:28] <Baughn> I'm looking to
make 'chunk zones'; groups of chunks which should load and unload
as a unit. Or unload as a unit, anyhow.
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L523[11:36:47] <Baughn> Is that possible
through the existing API, in some way?
L524[11:37:07] <Baughn> There's an
chunk-unloading event, but I haven't found a way to subsequently
force-unload all the other chunks.
L525[11:37:33] <Baughn> Or to cancel the
unload, if I know it'd fail. (E.g. if there's a player forcing some
of the chunks)
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L527[11:39:48] <PaleoCrafter> why do you
want to do that at all, Baughn? :P
L528[11:40:03] <Baughn> Chunk-churning
defence.
L529[11:40:25] <Baughn> In short, when TEs
such as EnderIO's force unloaded chunks to load..
L530[11:40:39] <Baughn> Nothing is forcing
it, so Minecraft promptly unloads it again.
L531[11:40:44] <Baughn> Then it gets
loaded again next tick, and..
L532[11:40:50] <Baughn> It's a good way to
kill a server.
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L534[11:41:50] <Baughn> I've tried a
couple different approaches. My current best one amounts to
/save-off, with explicit periodic saves and automatic restart if
nobody is logged on /and/ TPS is low, but I'd prefer to drop the
restarts.
L535[11:42:18] <Baughn> I've tried
detecting chunk interdependencies statistically, using the
load/unload events, and that works..
L536[11:42:38] <Baughn> But the unload
algorithm isn't *fast* enough, and doesn't know about the
dependencies, so most of the time it unloads chunks in the wrong
order.
L537[11:42:47] <Baughn> Some of them need
to be unloaded in the same tick for it to 'take', too.
L538[11:43:19] <Baughn> Sometimes quite
large groups, so I want to make sure it's going to work before
having the server do it.
L539[11:43:24] <PaleoCrafter> uhm... the
problem you try to solve sounds like a issue with particular mods?
:P
L540[11:43:50] <Baughn> You could say
that, but what is a poor server admin to do? :)
L541[11:44:07] <Baughn> I can solve it for
my own mod (EA), but not all the two hundred others. :P
L542[11:44:46] <PaleoCrafter> well, I
dunno, maybe you can do something at the Forge level? :P
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L545[11:47:05] <Baughn> PaleoCrafter: I
know I can.. I was hoping I wouldn't *have* to.
L546[11:47:24] <Baughn> Compiling a custom
Forge sounds like a typical Start of Darkness scenario.
L547[11:47:40] <sham1> I think he meant
configurations
L548[11:47:59] <Baughn> If that's
possible, then I'd love to hear it.
L549[11:48:00] <PaleoCrafter> I definitely
never wanted to promote forking Forge xD
L550[11:48:17] <PaleoCrafter> well, how
are the chunks forced to load?
L551[11:48:17] <Baughn> PaleoCrafter: I'd
be sending PRs, of course. Who knows if Lex would merge 'em.
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L553[11:48:37] <PaleoCrafter> if it's a
serious issue, he'll happily merge it :P
L554[11:48:51] <Baughn> It's a serious
issue, but it's one he can reasonably say is because of badly coded
mods.
L555[11:48:55] <Baughn> I mean, he'd be
/right/.
L556[11:50:14] <Baughn> From my PoV,
though? That fact doesn't matter. Any large modpack will have
them.
L557[11:50:21] <diesieben07> you should
put your efforts to fixing those mods then.
L558[11:50:26] <Baughn> I can't.
L559[11:50:37] <Baughn> Ignoring the
whack-a-mole issue, some are closed source.
L560[11:51:08] <diesieben07> that doesn't
stop you from yelling at their authors :P
L561[11:51:11] <Baughn> Also I don't have
infinite time, and it'd be easier to 'fix' in Forge, even if the
zone-unloading option is more of a hack.
L562[11:51:26] <Baughn> Indeed it does
not.
L563[11:51:46] <Baughn> I've done some of
that, too. I'll keep doing it. Just don't expect results.
L564[11:53:16] <Baughn> sham1: What
configuration did you have in mind?
L565[11:54:25] <sham1> I dopn't know
L566[11:54:26] <sham1> Some
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L568[11:55:08] <Baughn> The chunk cache
seems like it should help here, but it didn't. :?
L569[11:55:11] <Baughn> *:/
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L589[12:27:46] <tterrag> PaleoCrafter: did
you get my message?
L590[12:28:02] <PaleoCrafter> must have
missed it
L591[12:28:16] <PaleoCrafter> what was it?
:D
L593[12:28:17] <tterrag> <tterrag>
they feel "misaligned"
L594[12:28:42] <PaleoCrafter> hehe, almost
thought that's it after looking at that page xD
L595[12:29:29] <tterrag> yeah
L596[12:29:34] <tterrag> probably has to
do with the spacing changes
L597[12:29:46] <tterrag> I'm not sure
whether the top margin should be increased or the bottom margin
decreased
L598[12:29:49] <tterrag> up to you
:P
L599[12:30:16] <PaleoCrafter> I'd say give
them equal spacing as the paragraphs, that is decreasing the bottom
margin to 10px
L600[12:31:22] <PaleoCrafter> that'd be a
simple .admonition { margin-bottom: 10px !important; } - do you
want me to PR it or will you include it in your changes? :D
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L603[12:33:51] <tterrag> 10px on the
bottom looks fine too
L604[12:33:52] <tterrag> hm
L605[12:34:09] <PaleoCrafter> the larger
margin disconnects it a little bit from the content, imo, contrary
to its actual purpose of adding something important to the
text
L606[12:34:27] <PaleoCrafter> that's why
I'd go for the 10px on the bottom
L607[12:34:35] <tterrag> alright
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L609[12:35:14] <MinecraftWero> hey
L610[12:36:09] <tterrag> PaleoCrafter:
what's the difference between div.admonition and just .admonition?
:P
L611[12:36:20] <PaleoCrafter> well, one
only targets divs :P
L612[12:36:34] <tterrag> all the rest of
your css only targets div.admonition
L613[12:36:49] <PaleoCrafter> ah,
well
L614[12:36:57] <tterrag> I'll add it for
consistency
L615[12:36:59] <tterrag> it shouldn't
matter
L616[12:37:02] <tterrag> all admonitions
are divs
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L618[12:37:10] <PaleoCrafter> yeah
L619[12:37:53] <tterrag> fixed
L620[12:37:59] <MinecraftWero> where
should i look if i want to make a block give me an item when right
clicked on it?
L621[12:38:07] <tterrag> (refresh)
L622[12:38:10] <PaleoCrafter> you might
actually want to add div.admonition > p:last-child {
margin-bottom: 0; } too
L623[12:38:20] <tterrag> wat
L624[12:38:21] <PaleoCrafter> just noticed
that the bottom padding is larger due to that
L625[12:38:32] <tterrag> oh I see
L626[12:38:51] <PaleoCrafter> the '>'
just says "only target direct children"
L627[12:40:09] <MinecraftWero> what are
you guys trying to do?
L628[12:40:45] <PaleoCrafter> we're
improving the looks of the forge docs :P
L629[12:41:12] <MinecraftWero> haha i see
cool
L630[12:41:13] <PaleoCrafter> as for your
question: look at the give command and any block that does
something on right-click
L631[12:41:23] <tterrag> PaleoCrafter:
that didn't seem to change anything
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L633[12:42:07] <PaleoCrafter> oh...
because the other margin-bottom is !important
L634[12:42:14] <PaleoCrafter> let me see
how specific it has to be
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L636[12:42:48] <PaleoCrafter> actually,
just marking it as !important is enough
L637[12:42:55] <tterrag> it needed
!important
L638[12:42:55] <tterrag> yeah
L639[12:43:00] <tterrag> I hate CSS
:P
L640[12:43:17] <PaleoCrafter> everybody
does :P
L641[12:43:44] <PaleoCrafter> that's why
people use preprocessors xD
L642[12:44:09] <tterrag> yeah now it's
good
L644[12:44:49] <MinecraftWero> oohh nice i
will check it out!
L645[12:44:59] <tterrag> PaleoCrafter: the
code line goes off the margins :P
L646[12:45:03] <tterrag> I'm guessing
there's no fix for that really
L647[12:45:15] <PaleoCrafter> yeah, not
really :P
L648[12:45:29] <PaleoCrafter> although it
should break
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L650[12:46:02] <MinecraftWero> i see the
documentation is growing thats nice
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L653[12:47:46] <tterrag> PaleoCrafter:
yeah I'm trying to see why it's not
L654[12:48:12] <PaleoCrafter> it's because
it's white-space: pre, not white-space: pre-wrap
L655[12:48:18] <PaleoCrafter> but wrapping
looks fugly
L656[12:48:18] <masa> LatvianModder: any
idea why I can't seem to add my later mod projects to CurseGraph?
has the API changed or are newer projects somehow different?
L657[12:49:06] <LatvianModder> Hm?
L658[12:49:15] <LatvianModder> Oh
L659[12:49:31] <LatvianModder> Click open
in curse on right panel
L660[12:49:47] <LatvianModder> And
copy-paste that ID from top
L661[12:50:22] <masa> open in curse? where
is that?
L662[12:50:32] <tterrag> PaleoCrafter: I
made it a block, nwo it has a scroll bar
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L664[12:50:32] <LatvianModder> BUT it
could be that new projects wont work, that api im using is heavly
depricated
L665[12:50:32] <tterrag> not sure if
worse...
L666[12:50:51] <PaleoCrafter> you *could*
add manual line breaks :P
L667[12:51:05] <PaleoCrafter> would look
better than wrapping either way
L668[12:51:18] <masa> oh wait... maybe
it's because that project only has alpha releases atm?
L670[12:52:01] <masa> I'll find out after
my new project gets approved...
L671[12:52:04] <tterrag> whoops
L672[12:52:12] <tterrag> oh it ignores the
question mark good
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L674[12:52:34] <PaleoCrafter> wouldn't
matter if it didn't, that'd just be the initiation of the query
parameters :P
L675[12:52:47] <tterrag> I suppose
L676[12:52:52] <tterrag> either way, that
looks decent I think
L677[12:52:55] <PaleoCrafter> yeah
L678[12:52:57] <tterrag> and is actually a
valid way of formatting params :P
L679[12:53:27] <tterrag> poor rtd
L680[12:53:30] <tterrag> I am abusing
their builds
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L682[12:54:54] <MinecraftWero> sorry lost
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L688[13:02:49] <MinecraftWero> great
L689[13:03:36] <MinecraftWero> I am
registering my block like this:
GameRegistry.registerBlock(cookedBaconBlock = new
CookedBaconBlock("cookedBaconBlock", null, 0,
0),"cookedBaconBlock");
L690[13:03:40] <MinecraftWero> is that
correct?
L691[13:04:02] <tterrag> I don't think you
can pass a string there
L693[13:04:13] <tterrag> :P
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L695[13:04:55] <McJty> MinecraftWero,
don't do an asignment inside a function call. That is bad style
IMHO
L696[13:05:09] <tterrag> maybe, but it's
not incorrect
L697[13:05:21] <MinecraftWero> haha yeah
that's what i saw but when trying what the docs said it gives me a
crash :/
L698[13:05:33] <MinecraftWero> i know i
really don't like it looks really messy
L699[13:05:35] <tterrag> what kind of
crash
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L701[13:07:15] <MinecraftWero> let me get
a paste bin :P
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L703[13:09:03] <P3t3rix> is there a 1.9
-> 1.9.4 primer ?
L705[13:09:28] <tterrag> yes: nothing
changed :P
L706[13:09:49] <tterrag> MinecraftWero:
and what is at
com.minecraftwero.blocks.BaconBlocks.initBlocks(BaconBlocks.java:16)
L707[13:10:07] <MinecraftWero> this line
GameRegistry.register(rawBaconBlock.setRegistryName("rawBaconBlock"));
L708[13:10:14] <tterrag> then
rawBaconBlock is null
L709[13:11:13] <MinecraftWero> why is
that
L710[13:11:22] <tterrag> I don't
know
L711[13:11:24] <tterrag> it's your
code
L712[13:12:58] <tterrag> if I had to
guess, you probably never assigned it to anything
L714[13:13:44] <MinecraftWero> i think i
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L716[13:18:12] <MinecraftWero> can i pm
you really quick?
L717[13:20:21] <sham1> WHy do you want to
PM him, why not just say or ask whatever here. We don't bite
L718[13:20:42] <sham1> A lot
L719[13:21:08] <Ordinastie_> and we just
vaccinated sham1 against rabbies
L720[13:21:17] <sham1> :D
L721[13:21:38] <tterrag> MinecraftWero:
just say it here
L722[13:21:41] <tterrag> I have to leave
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L726[13:27:00] <thecodewarrior> Am I able
to reopen a gui instance? Do I have to create a new instance each
time?
L727[13:27:21] <Ordinastie_> yes and
no
L728[13:28:07] <thecodewarrior> Ok. Any
funkyness you know of that I should consider? For some reason my
gui isn't displaying correctly when reopened.
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L732[13:37:45] <MinecraftWero> hahah you
guys don't bite uhmm
L733[13:44:00] <sham1> Nah
L734[13:44:50] <thor12022> it's mostly
bark
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L736[13:46:16] <raoulvdberge> two mods
both calling Mouse#getDWheel will lead to one mod not getting the
correct delta, right?
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L739[14:00:25] <diesieben07> raoulvdberge,
no. getDWheel is like getX, etc. it is refreshed every... now and
then i guess. if oyu really want to properly listen for scrolling
use MouseInputEvent and getEventDWheel inside there.
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L743[14:03:51] <sham1> I think it is at
the end of every frame
L744[14:03:59] <sham1> That's where I
would put it myself
L745[14:04:05] <sham1> The refresh that
is
L746[14:08:02] <Nitrodev> modded 1.10 a
thing yet?
L747[14:08:21] <diesieben07> Not
yet.
L748[14:08:54] <Nitrodev> awww
L749[14:09:15] <sham1> 1.10 was nothing
huge
L750[14:13:07] <gigaherz> the biggest
change seems to be auto-jump
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L752[14:13:10] <gigaherz> XD
L753[14:13:17] <sham1> Auto-jump
L754[14:13:20] <sham1> Oh
L755[14:13:33] <sham1> Wasn't that in
already
L756[14:13:50] <gigaherz> it was in the
mcpe versions
L757[14:14:05] <gigaherz> but in java,
that's new to 1.10
L758[14:14:18] <sham1> I hope that we get
the "step over blocks" thing into vanilla someday
L759[14:14:28] <gigaherz> ?
L760[14:14:37] <sham1> Like a step
assist
L761[14:14:45] <gigaherz> isn't that
auto-jump?
L762[14:14:50] <sham1> No
L763[14:14:56] <sham1> Wait
L764[14:15:00] <gigaherz> you move toward
a block
L765[14:15:02] <gigaherz> and it jumps for
you
L766[14:15:18] <gigaherz> so it's pretty
much equivalent
L767[14:15:27] <gigaherz> just instead of
teleporting upward
L768[14:15:33] <gigaherz> it predicts the
collision and jumps in advance
L769[14:16:00] <gigaherz> which IMO should
be applied to all stepping
L770[14:16:07] <gigaherz> instead of tping
up, make it do a shallow jump
L771[14:16:24] <gigaherz>
"shallow"
L772[14:16:30] <gigaherz> a slab is half a
meter tall
L773[14:17:07] <gigaherz> IRL you'd have
to *climb* up slabs
L774[14:17:23] <gigaherz> well not climb,
but you'd have to jump over and over
L775[14:17:43] <gigaherz> like going two
steps at a time on stairs
L776[14:17:44] <Ordinastie_> yeah, because
that's the true issue with minecraft realism...
L777[14:18:06] <sham1> ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY
HOLD 1000 LITRES OF WATER IN A BUCKET
L778[14:18:12] <gigaherz> ?
L779[14:18:16] <gigaherz> oryeah
L780[14:18:19] <gigaherz> a cubic meter
;P
L781[14:18:23] <gigaherz> oh*
L782[14:18:32] <gigaherz> well
L783[14:18:32] <sham1> 1000
kilograms
L784[14:18:37] <gigaherz> it's just a very
big bucket
L785[14:18:41] <sham1> And with no
spilling
L786[14:18:52] <sham1> And you can also
carry a cubic metre of lava
L787[14:19:00] <sham1> Which aside from
being heavy, is hot
L788[14:19:02] <gigaherz> that doesn't
matter
L789[14:19:17] <gigaherz> you can carry
meter cubes of gold
L790[14:19:21] <gigaherz> 64 per
slot
L791[14:19:23] <sham1> True
L792[14:19:25] <gigaherz> on 9*4
slots
L793[14:19:58] <gigaherz> each ingot is
1/9th of a cube
L794[14:20:11] <gigaherz> that means each
ingot is 1m by 33cm by 33cm
L795[14:20:36] <gigaherz> (assuming 3
layers of 3 ingots each)
L796[14:20:45] <sham1> Why is the diamond
sword the best weapon in the game, when you have a huge-ass gold
ingot to swing at people
L797[14:21:02] <gigaherz> a gold sword
contains the mass of TWO ingots
L798[14:21:16] <sham1> Yeah
L799[14:21:25] <sham1> In a lever
system
L800[14:21:27] <gigaherz> oh and diamond
shatters on a strong blunt hit
L801[14:21:40] <gigaherz> it should have a
durability of like, 1
L802[14:21:53] <sham1> Depending on if you
hit the cut or not
L803[14:22:01] <gigaherz> I mean
armor
L804[14:22:05] <sham1> Hmm
L805[14:22:17] <gigaherz> diamond works on
a saw
L806[14:22:18] <gigaherz> not on a
pick
L807[14:22:27] <sham1> Also, chainmill
should be better than iron
L808[14:22:39] <gigaherz> nah
L809[14:22:41] <sham1> It's less
heavy
L810[14:22:46] <gigaherz> let's assume
iron has been processed with coal
L811[14:22:50] <gigaherz> so it's really
steel in disguise
L812[14:23:00] <gigaherz> iron plate armor
would be more protective
L813[14:23:06] <gigaherz> but it should
apply Slowness I/II
L814[14:23:38] <gigaherz> and leather
armor really doesn't protect that much against someone with a steel
sword
L815[14:23:59] <sham1> Also, I should be
able to make paper armour
L816[14:24:13] <gigaherz> i'm certain
someone was working on a mod for that
L817[14:24:18] <gigaherz> something like
tinker's but for armor
L818[14:24:29] <gigaherz> but I have no
idea about the name or if it's released
L819[14:24:30] <gigaherz> XD
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L821[14:24:39] <gigaherz> I know I didn't
do it myself because someone else was doing it
L822[14:25:04] <sham1> Also a problem of
Steve should be in the snow
L823[14:25:05] <sham1> Hypotermia
L824[14:25:38] <sham1> A heat conducting
armour is not going to cut it
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L827[14:27:57] <gigaherz> sham1: once upon
a time (around mc1.2.5)
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L829[14:28:05] <gigaherz> I was thinking
about making a mod to add heat
L830[14:28:15] <gigaherz> each block in
the game would have a heat value
L831[14:28:20] <gigaherz> based on biome
and nearby heat sources
L832[14:28:26] <gigaherz> with lava having
a heat of 15
L833[14:28:31] <gigaherz> and torehces
like 3-4
L834[14:28:39] <gigaherz> like light, it
would extend up to 16 blocks away
L835[14:29:01] <gigaherz> and the baseline
value would depend on the biome temperature
L836[14:29:29] <gigaherz> leather armor
would have positive heat resistance, while iron/chainmail would
have negative
L837[14:29:54] <sham1> And a lot of heat
could cause slowness and weakness
L838[14:29:54] <barteks2x> now it would be
about time to add config file to my mod...
L839[14:29:59] <sham1> Prolly
L840[14:30:05] <gigaherz> and pain
L841[14:30:12] <gigaherz> after a certain
threshold
L842[14:30:16] <gigaherz> lava wouldn't do
damage per se
L843[14:30:18] <gigaherz> it would do heat
damage
L844[14:31:04] <gigaherz> cold would cause
slowness and higher rate of hunger
L845[14:31:18] <gigaherz> heat would cause
pain mostly
L846[14:31:39] <gigaherz> (cold woudl end
up hurting -- after you are out of food ;P)
L847[14:31:50] <gigaherz> anyhow
L848[14:31:58] <sham1> It can be pretty
painful even when full
L849[14:32:04] <gigaherz> I discarded the
idea because i'd have needed to add half a byte more per
block
L850[14:32:08] <gigaherz> on the
storage
L851[14:32:15] <gigaherz> and I considered
that to be an unreasonable change
L852[14:32:34] <gigaherz> sham1: yes but
this is mc, it's not meant to be fully realistic ;P
L853[14:32:48] <sham1> True enough
L854[14:33:07] <gigaherz> it would be
interesting though
L855[14:33:14] <gigaherz> water wouldn't
freeze based on biome anymore
L856[14:33:19] <gigaherz> it woudl be
based on the block's temperature value
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L858[14:33:39] <sham1> One thing I hate is
that after 1.7 made the climate zone thingies, I have had a really
hard time finding a snow biome that is not an extreme hills
one
L859[14:33:50] <gigaherz> yeah
L860[14:33:55] <gigaherz> those
igloos
L861[14:33:57] <gigaherz> I haven't seen
any
L862[14:33:58] <gigaherz> ever.
L863[14:34:19] <sham1> I liked to just
make a cozy base underground and fail at agriculture above the
ground
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L865[14:34:43] <gigaherz> I once made a
base right under a lava lake
L866[14:34:53] <gigaherz> with an
observation tower rising through the middle
L867[14:35:07] <sham1> That just sounds
cool
L868[14:35:13] <sham1> (Pun not
intended)
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L871[14:35:39] <gigaherz> I think it was
right after giving up on another playthrough attempt where I just
kept getting random mobs on my area
L872[14:36:02] <diesieben07> barteks2x,
barely :D
L873[14:36:10] <gigaherz> config hasn't
changed at all
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L875[14:36:16] <sham1> Can't even read the
example code
L876[14:36:31] <barteks2x> I will just
copypaste it spmewhere else and indent it properly
L877[14:36:32] <diesieben07> yeah it hasnt
really chnged but that doesnt cover config gui etc
L878[14:36:44] <gigaherz> oh yeah I still
have no idea how to use the config gui
L879[14:36:44] <barteks2x> the gui part is
what I want too
L880[14:36:45] <gigaherz> ;P
L881[14:36:56] <sham1> Is there a
ReadTheDocs about that
L882[14:36:58] <sham1> The config
L883[14:36:58] <diesieben07> i might write
a docs article on that
L884[14:36:59] <diesieben07> not yet
L885[14:37:04] <barteks2x> well... I will
look at how forge does the gui part
L886[14:37:05] <sham1> DO IT
L888[14:37:09] <gigaherz> this is how I do
config
L889[14:37:11] <gigaherz> on my
survivalist mod
L890[14:37:25] <barteks2x> currently I
just need 1 config option
L891[14:38:53] <gigaherz> dat NIH
L893[14:38:58] <gigaherz> oops
L895[14:39:04] <gigaherz> dat NIH
L896[14:39:47] <sham1> Seems
reasonable
L897[14:40:39] <sham1> Also, embrase the
NIH
L899[14:41:36] <diesieben07> haha
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L902[14:45:00] <barteks2x> I will add that
config option later, for now I will just set the default value of
200
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L917[15:24:12] <P3t3rix> hmm i get a
nullpointer exception when i try to decompileMc, i am using build
1965, anyone else experiencing the same problem ?
L918[15:24:48] <diesieben07> log?
L919[15:25:19] <P3t3rix> stacktrace or
whole debug log ?
L920[15:25:38] <diesieben07> idk...
something :D
L921[15:26:06] <P3t3rix> mom
L923[15:27:18] <diesieben07> hmm does not
look good :D
L925[15:28:43] <diesieben07> yeah not sure
on this one
L926[15:28:48] <diesieben07> run
cleanCache and try again?
L927[15:29:34] <P3t3rix> my bat when
something with gradle is wrong is : clean, cleancache, setupDecomp
--refresh-dependecies :D
L928[15:29:45] <diesieben07> oh god please
stop
L929[15:29:53] <diesieben07> don't run all
those at once
L930[15:29:55] <diesieben07> run
cleanCache
L931[15:30:00] <diesieben07> when its done
run setupDecomü
L932[15:30:05] <P3t3rix> one after the
other
L933[15:30:08] <P3t3rix> not at once
L934[15:30:50] <diesieben07> huh no idea
then sorry
L935[15:31:49] <P3t3rix> hmm ok thanks
:)
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L938[15:36:43] <raoulvdberge> diesieben07:
No, dwheel is reset on call
L939[15:36:52] <sham1> What is a
setupDecomåu
L940[15:36:54] <raoulvdberge> int result =
dwheel; dwheel = 0; return result;
L941[15:37:06] <raoulvdberge> So if
multiple mods use it it won't work
L942[15:37:09] <sham1> Damn it, I put the
diacritics to the wrong place
L943[15:37:17] <sham1> setupDecomü
L944[15:37:21] <raoulvdberge> I'm using
the event, but a certain populair mod uses getDWheel() -_-
L945[15:37:37] <sham1> Which is?
L946[15:37:49] <diesieben07> like i said,
use getEventDWheel
L947[15:37:53] <diesieben07> in
MouseInputEvent
L948[15:38:02] <diesieben07>
MouseInputevent is fired inside the Mouse.next() loop
L949[15:38:09] <diesieben07> so you are
guaranteed to catch every dhweel event
L950[15:38:23] <raoulvdberge> that won't
help me
L951[15:38:35] <sham1> Why not
L952[15:38:35] <raoulvdberge> as the other
mod is calling getDWheel before the event catches the dwheel
change
L953[15:38:41] <diesieben07> uhh
L954[15:38:47] <diesieben07> thats not how
that works i think
L955[15:39:00] <raoulvdberge> no thats how
it works
L956[15:39:25] <raoulvdberge> when using
event: not reliable - sometimes dwheel is correct, sometimes
0
L957[15:39:26] <sham1> Have you tested
this?
L958[15:39:33] <raoulvdberge> without
using event: dwheel always 0
L959[15:39:45] <raoulvdberge> without
other mod: dwheel correct
L960[15:40:02] <diesieben07> show what you
are doing exactly.
L961[15:40:12] <raoulvdberge> i explained
that already.
L962[15:40:16] <raoulvdberge> i need the
dwheel
L963[15:40:21] <raoulvdberge> so i catch
it in a mouseevent
L964[15:40:31] <diesieben07> Show. Your.
Code.
L965[15:40:43] <raoulvdberge> It's
literally catching the event. Nothing to show.
L966[15:40:57] <sham1> Yes there is
L967[15:40:58] <diesieben07> Show.
It
L968[15:41:01] <diesieben07> or
gtfo.
L969[15:46:34] <Tazz> diesieben07, what do
you think of C-Style enums?
L970[15:46:44] <sham1> Integers
L971[15:47:06] <diesieben07> uh they are
better than magic numbers, but java (=object) enums are better
:D
L972[15:47:24] <sham1> Well C++11
introduced scoped enums into C++
L973[15:47:32] <gigaherz> meh
L974[15:47:35] <gigaherz> IMO normal enums
are better
L975[15:47:37] <sham1> Which can be used
somewhat like the Java Enumds
L976[15:47:41] <diesieben07> although i
have to admit i have never written a single line of C.
L977[15:47:44] <diesieben07> so
yeah.
L978[15:47:47] <gigaherz> but java
"simplified instances" would still be useful for other
cases
L979[15:47:51] <gigaherz> I'd separate
them into like
L980[15:48:00] <gigaherz> "enum"
vs "class enum"
L981[15:48:04] <sham1> diesieben07: why
you no :(
L982[15:48:11] <diesieben07> never needed
to
L983[15:48:30] <gigaherz> with enum being
numeric constants, while "class enum" would be the java
style ones
L985[15:49:05] <diesieben07> uh, i am not
a language designer man :P
L986[15:49:12] <diesieben07> but... looks
ok i guess? :D
L988[15:49:25] <Tazz> well
L989[15:49:36] <Tazz> Im more interested
in peoples opinions XD
L990[15:49:55] <gigaherz> I hate the
kYELLING convention
L992[15:50:23] <gigaherz> would Enum be
Comparable?
L993[15:50:36] <gigaherz> implicitly cast
to their ordinal for comparisons?
L994[15:50:56] <Tazz> well enums in
eschelle are technically C-Style enums
L995[15:51:19] <gigaherz> how so?
L996[15:51:35] <gigaherz> I mean
L997[15:51:39] <gigaherz> woudl you allow
fields on them?
L998[15:51:42] <gigaherz> or just static
methods?
L999[15:51:46] <Tazz> well
L1000[15:52:00] <gigaherz> if you allow
storing "other data" on the enums
L1001[15:52:01] <Tazz> with that proposal
it would allow instance fields
L1002[15:52:06] <Tazz> and instance
methosd
L1003[15:52:10] <gigaherz> then you'd
haveto choose
L1004[15:52:16] <Tazz> but you can
reference them like C-Style enums
L1005[15:52:19] <gigaherz> either a
reference to the enum is an object ref
L1006[15:52:34] <gigaherz> in which case
they are just java-style enums with implicit ordinal casts
L1007[15:52:43] <gigaherz> or you can
pass them by their ordinal value
L1008[15:52:56] <gigaherz> in which case
you'd need implicit "Enum.values[ord]"
L1009[15:53:19] <Tazz> well technically
you could do: val modifier: Modifier = 0; and that would resolve
like Enum#values[0];
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L1012[15:55:42] <PaleoCrafter> can you
number them arbitrarily, Tazz?
L1013[15:55:58] <Tazz> PaleoCrafter,
yes
L1014[15:56:03] <PaleoCrafter>
noice
L1015[15:56:06] <gigaherz> yay!
flags!
L1016[15:56:51] <gigaherz> one of the
things I miss from java enums is being able to do
"Modifiers.Public | Modifiers.Override"
L1017[15:57:16] <Tazz> in Eschelle you
can do val mod: Int = kPUBLIC|kOVERRIDE;
L1018[15:57:37] <gigaherz> you can't
store it in a var of the type of the enum?
L1019[15:57:55] <gigaherz> I like it in
C#because if you have a value of "6" in a variable of
enum type
L1020[15:58:10] <gigaherz> the debugger
can tell you "Value1|Value2"
L1021[15:58:33] <gigaherz> assuming the
enum has the [Flags] attribute ;p
L1022[15:58:38] <Tazz> gigaherz, you
could technically do it but it could possibly change the
value
L1023[15:58:47] <gigaherz> yes it
could
L1024[15:59:05] <gigaherz> if you have an
enum in C# like { Bit1 = 1, Bit2 = 2, Combined = 3 }
L1025[15:59:10] <gigaherz> and you do
Bit1|Bit2
L1026[15:59:14] <gigaherz> the debugger
will say "Combined"
L1027[15:59:18] <gigaherz> rather than
"Bit1|Bit2"
L1028[15:59:20] <Tazz> hmmm
interesting
L1029[15:59:27] <Tazz> I guess that would
work :)
L1030[15:59:46] <Tazz> would be useful
:P
L1031[15:59:54] <gigaherz> I suppose all
the magic would be in Enum#toString
L1032[16:00:01] <gigaherz> which would
compile as
L1033[16:00:02] <PaleoCrafter>
EnumSet.of(Public,
Override).stream().mapToInt(Enum::ordinal).reduce(0, (a, b) -> a
| b) :P
L1034[16:00:09] <gigaherz>
Enum#toString(int value)
L1035[16:00:16] <gigaherz> PaleoCrafter:
ewh
L1036[16:01:23] <PaleoCrafter> it's some
nice declarative code, nothing to ewh about :P
L1037[16:01:33] <jamierocks> Tazz:
nice
L1038[16:01:38] <sham1> >reduce
L1039[16:01:41] <sham1> Pls
L1040[16:01:52] <PaleoCrafter>
unfortunately there's no fold in Java
L1041[16:01:56] <diesieben07>
PaleoCrafter, that doesn't even work :P
L1042[16:02:00] <diesieben07> you need to
do 1 << ordinal
L1043[16:02:04] *
PaleoCrafter shrugs
L1044[16:02:10] <sham1> Sadly no
folding
L1045[16:04:06] <sham1> public <B>
B foldl(BiFunction<A, B, B> func, B acc)
L1046[16:04:16] <sham1> That could be a
nice definition inside Stream<A>
L1047[16:04:54] <PaleoCrafter> who says I
don't want to just or all the ordinals, diesieben07? :P
L1048[16:05:01] <PaleoCrafter> the enum
could look like this enum Modifiers {Public, Filler1, Override,
Filler2, Final} xD
L1049[16:05:01] <diesieben07> suuure
:D
L1050[16:05:59] <sham1> I was doing some
Project Euler stuff today
L1051[16:06:03] <sham1> T'was fun
L1052[16:07:49] <PaleoCrafter> What did
ya write the stuff in?
L1053[16:08:17] <sham1> Haskell, I wanted
to get better at it
L1054[16:08:29] <sham1> The exercises
would be probably too easy to do in just java or C for me
L1055[16:08:36] <sham1> I need to get
creative doing it like this
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L1057[16:11:16] <sham1> Like for
instance
L1058[16:11:40] <sham1> (uncurry (==) $
id &&& reverse) is a function that can check if a list
is a palindrome
L1059[16:12:24] <PaleoCrafter> cool
stuff
L1060[16:12:38] <diesieben07> oh jesus
christ
L1061[16:12:43] <diesieben07> that's
almost like perl :D
L1062[16:12:56] <Tazz> XD
L1063[16:13:10] <Tazz> "what
language is that?", "gibberish, its almost like perl but
more understandable"
L1064[16:13:19] <sham1> That function was
particularly useful in the Problem#4
L1065[16:13:55] <gigaherz> hmmm in C#,
that'd be... list.Zip(list.Reverse()).All(object.Equals)
L1066[16:14:05] <gigaherz> no wait
L1067[16:14:15] <gigaherz> hmmm in C#,
that'd be... list.Zip(list.Reverse()).All((a,b) => a == b)
L1068[16:14:18] <gigaherz> cna't use
equals that way ;P
L1069[16:14:25] <gigaherz> wait nm
L1070[16:14:27] <gigaherz> I'm
braindead
L1071[16:14:27] <sham1> That's quite easy
to follow
L1072[16:14:43] <gigaherz> it's all wrong
too
L1073[16:14:50] <sham1> (&&&)
takes a function a -> b and a -> c and gives you a function a
-> (b, c)
L1074[16:15:18] <gigaherz>
list.Zip(list.Reverse(), (a,b) => new {A:a,B:b}).All(e => e.A
== e.B)
L1075[16:15:19] <sham1> And uncurry takes
a function a -> b -> c and gives you a function of (a, b)
-> c
L1076[16:15:21] <gigaherz> or something
like that
L1077[16:15:29] <gigaherz> let me try it
XD
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L1079[16:16:27] <sham1> Uncurry (in Java
terms) takes a BiFunction<A, B, C> and makes it a
Function<Pair<A, B>, C>
L1080[16:16:47] <sham1> Which is useful
when doing it all point-free style like I did
L1081[16:17:33] <gigaherz> meh nah won't
work
L1082[16:17:39] <fry> no, it takes
Function<A, Function<B, C>> and gives you a
Function<Pair<A, B>, C>
L1083[16:17:41] <gigaherz> Reverse isn't
a linq (stream) method
L1084[16:17:53] <fry> and there's no
BiFunction in haskell
L1085[16:18:08] <sham1> fry: Well
yeah.
L1086[16:18:14] <sham1> But that
demonstrates the point
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L1088[16:18:33] <fry> no it doesn't
:P
L1089[16:18:45] <sham1> It sort of
does
L1090[16:18:49] <gigaherz> AH there's
both methods, but List has the "bad" one ;P
L1091[16:19:21] <fry> you're sort-of
right then :D
L1092[16:19:28] <gigaherz> bool
palindrome = list.Zip(((IEnumerable<int>)list).Reverse(), (a,
b) => new { A = a, B = b }).All(e => e.A == e.B);
L1093[16:19:33] <sham1> Jesus
L1094[16:19:36] <gigaherz> it's quite a
bit uglier than it could be
L1095[16:19:54] <sham1> Could you just
replace the list with a String in C# and it would still work?
L1096[16:20:21] <gigaherz> string counts
as a char[] and all arrays are IList<type>
L1097[16:20:38] <sham1> Because while
(uncurry (==) $ id &&& reverse) works with any [a], it
might just be the most useful with [Char] AKA String
L1098[16:20:47] <gigaherz> no wait that's
C++, strings in C# need .ToCharArray()
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L1100[16:22:04] <gigaherz> hmm
L1101[16:22:05] <gigaherz> bool
Palindrome<T>(IEnumerable<T> list) =>
list.Zip(list.Reverse(), (a, b) => new { A = a, B = b }).All(e
=> Equals(e.A,e.B));
L1102[16:22:21] <gigaherz> yeah works
best as an expression-function
L1103[16:22:34] <sham1> Well, it looks
less messy
L1104[16:22:43] <sham1> Without the
casting
L1105[16:22:52] <gigaherz> ahh yes
L1106[16:22:53] <gigaherz> it does
work
L1107[16:22:56] <gigaherz>
Console.WriteLine(Palindrome("asdf"));
L1108[16:23:03] <gigaherz> no need to use
.toCharArray
L1109[16:23:06] <sham1> :P
L1110[16:23:11] <gigaherz> it's
enumerable by itself
L1111[16:23:12] <barteks2x> I ended up in
situation like this: to construct someObject1 I need to give it
someObject2, and to construct someObject2, i need to give it
someObject1 as constructor argument...
L1112[16:23:25] <sham1> barteks2x:
:P
L1113[16:23:29] <gigaherz> it warns
though
L1114[16:23:29] <sham1> How would that
happen
L1115[16:23:36] <gigaherz> "Possible
multiple enumeration of IEnumerable"
L1116[16:24:17] <sham1> Should probably
install Mono and try some LINQ as it seems quite interestinng
L1118[16:24:40] <gigaherz> sham1: you
haven't seen the REAL linq yet
L1119[16:24:42] <gigaherz> ;P
L1120[16:24:48] <barteks2x> I wanted to
avoid adding additional 2 arguments to that consttructor...
L1121[16:24:53] <gigaherz> that's just
the method-chaining stuff
L1122[16:24:55] <fry> yes he have, he's
using haskell :P
L1123[16:25:00] <gigaherz> lazy evaluated
and such
L1124[16:25:01] <sham1> :P
L1125[16:25:05] <gigaherz> the real
linq
L1126[16:25:09] <gigaherz>
"language-integrated query"
L1127[16:25:10] <gigaherz> looks
like
L1128[16:25:38] <sham1> I wonder if I can
add some function composition to my little palindrome
function
L1129[16:25:50] <gigaherz> var successor
= from c in list where c == 1 select c + 1;
L1130[16:26:10] <gigaherz> which is
evaluated at runtime
L1131[16:26:18] <gigaherz> the whole
expression
L1132[16:26:28] <sham1> (uncurry (==)) .
(id &&& reverse)
L1133[16:26:32] <gigaherz> it's compiled
to an AST
L1134[16:26:40] <gigaherz> which is then
passed to the LINQ engine for evaluation
L1135[16:26:47] <sham1> I think I like
the version with the dollar sign better
L1136[16:26:49] <gigaherz> this is how
you can use linq-to-database
L1137[16:26:53] <gigaherz>
linq-to-xml
L1138[16:26:55] <gigaherz> or
linq-to-object
L1139[16:26:58] <gigaherz>
seamlessly
L1140[16:27:37] <sham1> You can use LINQ
to do Database stuff?
L1141[16:27:40] <gigaherz> yup
L1142[16:27:40] <sham1> Hmm
L1143[16:28:08] <gigaherz> the engine
will translate linq to sql, then asynchronously return the
results
L1144[16:28:24] <fry> yes, yes, monads
are magical
L1145[16:29:15] <sham1> Magic burritoes
:P
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L1148[16:29:43] <gigaherz> but I never
use databases so I never actually used linq to sql
L1149[16:29:48] <gigaherz> linq to
object, though
L1150[16:29:52] <gigaherz> specially the
"streams" stuff
L1151[16:30:03] <gigaherz> best is
L1152[16:30:07] <gigaherz> thanks to
extension methods
L1153[16:30:12] <gigaherz> you can add
your own extensions
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L1157[16:31:19] <sham1> What a
netsplit
L1158[16:31:32] <gigaherz> a netsplit of
one
L1159[16:31:33] <gigaherz> XD
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L1162[16:32:39] <diesieben07> dat domain
name though
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L1164[16:33:02] <barteks2x> if my code
works now, it's magic.
L1165[16:33:35] <sham1> Working code is a
unicorn
L1166[16:33:51] <fry> no it's not
:P
L1167[16:33:51] <sham1> Some people see
them more often than others
L1168[16:34:26] <barteks2x> I'm trying to
make my vanilla worldgen hack to be less of a hack
L1170[16:37:02] <sham1> Nice
L1171[16:37:10] <sham1> That is actually
some nice stuff
L1172[16:37:25] <barteks2x> it somehow
froze in place I would never expect...
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L1174[16:37:40] <barteks2x> it
finished
L1175[16:37:44] <barteks2x> and didn't
crash
L1176[16:39:10] <gigaherz> C# 6.0 really
added some very very nice things ;P
L1177[16:39:32] <gigaherz> expression
bodies, null propagation (?.)
L1178[16:39:44] <gigaherz>
nameof(Parameter) that compiles to "Parameter"
L1179[16:39:49] <gigaherz> but survives
refactoring
L1180[16:41:46] <sham1> Woot, Mono can
use LINQ stuff
L1181[16:42:01] <sham1> It feeds my
laziness of not wanting to boot back to windows unless needed
L1182[16:43:27] <gigaherz> yep
L1184[16:43:45] <gigaherz> it supports
many of the fancy C# 6.0 things too
L1185[16:45:32] <P3t3rix> diesieben07, i
found out what went wrong, turns out i was using ForgeGradle 2.1
instead of 2.2
L1186[16:45:37] <gigaherz> oooh
L1187[16:45:38] <gigaherz> using static
System.Console;
L1188[16:45:40] <diesieben07> hehe
fun
L1189[16:45:42] <gigaherz> I didn't
realize that was a thing!
L1190[16:45:52] <diesieben07> it should
give a proper exception for taht, naguthy abrary.
L1191[16:45:54] <gigaherz> (it lets you
call static methods from the Console class without using the
name)
L1192[16:46:00] <gigaherz> (like you can
do in Java ;P)
L1193[16:46:18] <sham1> Something
something "using namespace std" something
L1194[16:46:28] <gigaherz> nono
L1195[16:46:37] <gigaherz> that's
"using Name.Space;"
L1196[16:46:41] <gigaherz> that's the
normal one
L1197[16:46:41] <sham1> That's what I am
reminded of
L1198[16:46:56] <gigaherz> yes C# calls
it "using"
L1199[16:47:00] <gigaherz> where Java
callsit "import"
L1200[16:47:08] <gigaherz> this is about
being able to import the *methods* of a class
L1201[16:47:15] <sham1> And for the
record, I hate it when in people's C++ code has no std::couts and
instead just couts
L1202[16:47:16] <gigaherz> a-la
"import Class.*" in java
L1203[16:47:24] <sham1> Hmm
L1204[16:47:25] <sham1> Nice
L1205[16:47:31] <sham1> Only at C#
6
L1206[16:47:36] <sham1> Well I'd be
damn'd
L1207[16:47:54] <sham1> Wait, C# has an
ECMA standard?
L1208[16:48:03] <gigaherz> what
the...
L1209[16:48:03] <gigaherz>
string.Join(",", string[] fileAtrributeNames =
Enum.GetNames(typeof (FileAttributes))),
L1210[16:48:03] <gigaherz>
fileAtrributeNames.Length);
L1211[16:48:06] <gigaherz> C# 6.0 lets
you declare variables within expressions
L1212[16:48:08] <gigaherz> o_O
L1213[16:48:11] <sham1> :P
L1214[16:48:18] <sham1> Might come
handy
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L1216[16:49:12] <sham1> I really do
wonder how the relationship between the Mono project and Microsoft
is
L1217[16:49:39] <gigaherz> OOOH
L1218[16:49:40] <gigaherz>
nevermind
L1219[16:49:42] <gigaherz> this was
pulled
L1220[16:49:50] <gigaherz> didn't make it
into the final C#6.0
L1221[16:50:02] <gigaherz> static using
did make it though
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L1225[16:51:46] <gigaherz>
catch(Exception e) when (y==1)
L1226[16:51:52] <sham1> Umn
L1227[16:52:00] <gigaherz> will only
catch the exception if the condition passes
L1228[16:52:04] <sham1> That kind of
exception handling just made me scared
L1230[16:52:26] <gigaherz> lol at the
example here
L1231[16:52:33] <gigaherz> "Swallow
exceptions, but only on weekends!"
L1232[16:52:50] <sham1> Finally, I got
Mono emerged
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L1234[16:53:17] <gigaherz> heh
L1235[16:53:37] <gigaherz> be ready to be
annoyed every time you write "boolean" and have to
backspace the "ean" away
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L1237[16:55:06] <diesieben07> anyone know
about this: on my android phone in "storage" it says 9
gigs (on internal storage!) used by apps. but i cannot find those 9
gigs when i actually look through my apps.
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L1239[16:55:35] <gigaherz> diesieben07:
can you click onthe "apps" entry?
L1240[16:55:39] <gigaherz> it should
enumerate which apps
L1241[16:55:46] <diesieben07> yes, it
just goes to the "all apps" screen
L1242[16:55:50] <gigaherz> hmm
L1243[16:55:54] <gigaherz> then I'm
remembering wrong
L1244[16:55:55] <diesieben07> the largest
one in there is my podcasts app which has 2 gigs used
L1245[16:56:00] <diesieben07> but those
are on the SD card
L1246[16:56:01] <diesieben07> not
internal
L1247[16:56:20] <sham1> What podcast
software do you use
L1248[16:56:28] <diesieben07> Pocket
Casts
L1249[16:56:35] <diesieben07> i have a
suspicion it might be audible
L1250[16:56:45] <diesieben07> but i have
that set to store on SD as well
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L1252[16:57:41] <gigaherz> I have 4.9gb
used by apps, but they do sortof add up
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L1255[16:58:14] <gigaherz> 1.5gb
Implosion, 305mb google play services, 250mb voez, 209mb google
app, etc
L1256[16:58:36] <gigaherz> doens't the
all apps list tell you the size? or it just doesn't add up?
L1257[16:58:44] <diesieben07> it just
doesn't add up
L1258[16:58:49] <diesieben07> there is no
way that i am using 9 gigs there
L1259[16:58:58] <diesieben07> and of
course i cannot run windirstat on it... -_-
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L1264[16:59:44] <diesieben07> already
found one, trying that now
L1265[17:00:07] <gigaherz> I'll tell you
if this one works well ;p
L1266[17:00:27] <barteks2x> For me
android tells me that 4gb is used by "system"
L1267[17:00:36] <barteks2x> and I have no
idea what it is and how to get it back
L1268[17:00:42] <diesieben07> ok then one
i found is garbage
L1269[17:00:56] <diesieben07> even though
it has more stars then yours
L1270[17:01:04] <sham1> Meh, the reddit
mobile web view sucks
L1271[17:01:05] <diesieben07> maybe i am
just stupid
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L1274[17:01:24] <gigaherz> diesieben07:
this one works well
L1275[17:01:36] <gigaherz> open it
L1276[17:01:48] <gigaherz> swipe left to
switch to the "drive usage" tab
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L1279[17:02:41] <gigaherz> click a sector
to view it, click the center to go back
L1280[17:03:07] <diesieben07> this is
just confusing...
L1281[17:03:12] <diesieben07> it shows
*3* things at the top...
L1282[17:03:18] <diesieben07> but i only
have internal and SD....
L1283[17:03:33] <gigaherz> okay then
swipe right to "file categories"
L1284[17:03:45] <gigaherz> this may be
easier for you to browse
L1285[17:04:01] <gigaherz> note: it
doesn't add up for me either
L1286[17:04:18] <diesieben07> yeah i dont
see 9 gigs tehre anywhere.
L1287[17:04:30] <gigaherz> OH I see
why
L1288[17:04:33] <gigaherz> it can't scan
the root folder
L1289[17:04:42] <gigaherz> it can only
scan the "virtual SD" that is the internal storage
L1290[17:04:46] <diesieben07> god this is
such BS
L1291[17:04:52] <gigaherz> yeah
nevermind
L1292[17:04:56] <gigaherz> you'd need a
rooted phone for this
L1293[17:05:08] <diesieben07> for what...
for it telling me what i am using 9 gigs for? fuck my life
L1294[17:06:11] <gigaherz> my tablet had
been running slowly for ages, and the other day I discovered I
could go to the recovery menu, and wipe the cache partition -- it
helped a bit ;P
L1295[17:06:22] <gigaherz> I'm not saying
that's what you should do
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L1297[17:06:33] <gigaherz> just something
I didn't know was a thing
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L1301[17:10:38] <Ordinastie_>
diesieben07, how much is missing ?
L1302[17:10:45] <Ordinastie_> liek if you
calculate manually ?
L1303[17:10:54] <diesieben07> uh let me
check
L1304[17:11:23] <Ordinastie_> depending
on how many apps you have, you may be closer to 9gb than you
think
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L1306[17:13:01] <diesieben07> hrmm
L1307[17:13:05] <diesieben07> i guess you
are right
L1308[17:13:07] <diesieben07> nvm me
then
L1309[17:13:22] <Ordinastie_> hehe
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L1311[17:13:57] <diesieben07> gone dwon
to the 50mb ones and i have almost 8 gigs
L1312[17:14:02] <diesieben07>
HOWEVER.
L1313[17:14:06] <sham1> diesieb, you said
that my little palindrome function was comparable to the
readability of perl
L1314[17:14:11] <diesieben07> that
includes the 3 gigs of pocket casts and audible combined
L1315[17:14:14] <sham1> ((.)$(.))
L1316[17:14:14] <diesieben07> which is on
the SD card
L1317[17:14:19] <diesieben07> so no, it
does NOT add u
L1318[17:14:43] <Ordinastie_> guess you
just have to throw your phone away now
L1319[17:14:59] <diesieben07> thank you
very much -_-
L1320[17:14:59] <sham1> rip ?
L1321[17:15:17] <gigaherz> mine do add
up, but then again, I don't have SD
L1322[17:15:58] <Ordinastie_> what does
it say when you remove the SD ?
L1323[17:16:21] <gigaherz> yeah that'd be
an interesting test -- remove the SD and see if Android is just
stupid and adds the "app size" including SD
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L1325[17:17:14] <diesieben07> yep it
is...
L1327[17:17:46] <diesieben07> after
removing the SD card.
L1328[17:17:48] <gigaherz> heh
L1329[17:17:51] <diesieben07> 4 gigs have
magically disappeard
L1330[17:18:30] <diesieben07> and it
still gave me the "hey your internal storage is low, move
stuff to SD!"
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L1332[17:18:36] <diesieben07> one would
guess they wuld be smarter than tat
L1333[17:19:26] <barteks2x> i always
thought something is wring with these sizes...
L1334[17:19:35] <diesieben07> Yep,
readded SD card... Apps under "internal" use 9 gigs
again
L1335[17:19:39] <diesieben07> this is
very stupid :D
L1336[17:19:41] <barteks2x> but I was too
lazy to add it up
L1337[17:19:50] <diesieben07> surely i am
not the first one to discover this shit, to google!
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L1339[17:20:22] <sham1> Mister Google is
very helpfun in these circumstances
L1340[17:20:48] <sham1>
s/helpfun/helpful/
L1341[17:21:03] <gigaherz> I wish you
could just simply install apps on SD
L1342[17:21:07] <gigaherz> remove sd
-> app is gone
L1343[17:21:17] <barteks2x> that would be
awesome
L1344[17:21:24] <barteks2x> I have 32GB
DS and 8GB internal...
L1345[17:21:28] <barteks2x> *SD
L1346[17:22:51] <gigaherz> my new phone
has 32gb internal
L1347[17:22:59] <gigaherz> sd slot, but I
don't really need an sd card just yet
L1348[17:23:02] <diesieben07> ok google
is very unhelpful in this case...
L1349[17:23:09] <P3t3rix> what are the
replacement methods for isFullCube,LightOpacity ... ?
L1350[17:23:12] <diesieben07> all it
finds is people complaining that "move to SD card" doesnt
actually move.
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L1352[17:25:53] <gigaherz> in one page
someone says that "Move to SD" often simply means
"to the internal emulated SD folder"
L1353[17:26:06] <gigaherz> and that some
apps simply don't store data onthe external SD card ever
L1354[17:26:23] <diesieben07> i
know
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L1356[17:26:30] <diesieben07> but Audible
and pocket casts definitely do
L1357[17:26:35] <barteks2x> honestly,
when I was tryig to write android app I couldn't figure out how to
access actual SD
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L1359[17:26:48] <barteks2x> after 2 days
I have up
L1360[17:26:49] <diesieben07> they don't
give you direct access
L1361[17:26:52] <sham1> did google
help
L1362[17:27:23] <barteks2x> And I had to
store 300MB of stuff, and 300MB is a lot for me
L1363[17:27:32] <gigaherz> barteks2x:
there's a getExternalStorage...something something IIRC
L1365[17:28:12] <gigaherz> this
L1366[17:28:17] <gigaherz> for private
app files
L1368[17:29:35] <gigaherz> yep
L1369[17:29:56] <barteks2x> and I
couldn't get it to write to the actual SD card instead of the
emulated thing
L1370[17:30:37] <barteks2x> it ould be a
good idea to start working on that project again...
L1371[17:30:55] <TehNut> P3t3rix: ignore
the deprecations in Block
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L1373[17:31:12] <gigaherz> hmm
L1374[17:31:14] *
gigaherz reads up
L1375[17:31:15] <gigaherz> ah
L1376[17:31:22] <gigaherz> sorry P3t3rix
;P
L1377[17:31:34] <gigaherz> (for missing
your line ;P)
L1378[17:31:41] <gigaherz> P3t3rix: the
deprecated flag
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L1380[17:31:50] <gigaherz> is mojang's
way to say "this should not be called from outside"
L1381[17:31:51] <P3t3rix> and the
localization ?
L1382[17:31:58] <TehNut> Use the client
I18n
L1383[17:32:01] <gigaherz> you should use
I18n.format
L1384[17:32:05] <gigaherz> which is in a
client-only package
L1385[17:32:15] <gigaherz> unless you
NEED it on the server, in which case use the deprecated one and
feel bad about it
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L1388[17:33:01] <P3t3rix> ok thanks,
maybe i can finally find out the bug with the player movement
~.~
L1390[17:33:24] <gigaherz> P3t3rix: for
those methods, just add @Deprecated on your overrides too
L1391[17:33:30] <gigaherz> so that the
compiler doesn't spit a warning
L1392[17:33:47] <gigaherz> sorry I'm
tired, my brains' all over the place
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L1398[17:42:47] <diesieben07>
huh,no
L1399[17:42:50] <diesieben07> it should
show images
L1400[17:42:59] <heldplayer> Can confirm,
no images
L1401[17:43:05] <heldplayer> Might need
to be logged in
L1402[17:43:07] <diesieben07> fucking
forum...
L1403[17:43:32] <diesieben07> yep,
anonymous tab shows no images
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L1426[18:20:37] <gigaherz> o_O
L1428[18:21:10] <mezz> $ labels add 2996
Fluids Bug
L1429[18:21:44] <mezz> hey fry can you
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L1435[18:35:56] <Taifuru> hi, is there a
simple open source mod on github that i can look and understand how
stuff works ? I know there is plenty of mods on github but there
are so complicated
L1436[18:43:44] <williewillus> gigaherz:
what the actual fuck
L1437[18:45:06] <gigaherz> yeah, worst of
all, I'm almost glad that dude drank it, could have been worse if
it had been the girl
L1438[18:48:52] <gigaherz> night
ppl
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L1486[21:37:56] <harmony> gradle
officially hates me
L1487[21:38:41] <Ordinastie_> don't
flatter yourself, it hates everyone :p
L1489[21:39:08] <harmony> that's not
forge btw, it'S libgdx
L1490[21:39:14] <harmony> but it's the
same for everything
L1491[21:39:27] <harmony> startup takes
forever
L1492[21:41:21] <harmony> driving me
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L1503[22:24:18] <harmony> I can
definately see why awaynicks are discouraged
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L1529[23:37:35] <Sandra> getStateFromMeta
is deprecated now?
L1530[23:37:42] <Sandra> what do I use
instead?
L1531[23:37:55] <Sandra> how is it done
now?
L1532[23:40:44] <Sandra> actually, is
there a list somewhere of changes from 1.9.0 to 1.9.4?
L1533[23:40:57] <Sandra> (changes that I
need to know about to update.)
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L1535[23:47:14] <kenzierocks> it's not
deprecated for use
L1536[23:47:18] <kenzierocks> just mojang
stuff
L1537[23:47:19] <kenzierocks> use
it
L1538[23:47:38] <Sandra> ah.
L1539[23:47:40] <Sandra> right.
L1540[23:48:01] <Sandra> mojang
deprecated it?
L1541[23:48:03] <Sandra> or...
L1542[23:48:19] <kenzierocks> yea
L1543[23:48:23] <Sandra> I see.
L1544[23:48:27] <Sandra> that makes
sense.
L1545[23:48:29] <kenzierocks> for
themselves..whatever it means
L1546[23:48:54] <Sandra> presumably
they're getting rid of it eventually.
L1547[23:49:03] <kenzierocks> maybe
L1548[23:49:06] <Sandra> and thank
goodness for that.
L1549[23:49:29] <kenzierocks> i don't see
it going away entirely
L1550[23:49:37] <kenzierocks> meta is
very good for save data
L1551[23:49:38] <Sandra> I do.
L1552[23:49:54] <kenzierocks> storing the
blockstate would make files huge
L1553[23:50:01] <Sandra> could they not
just use a big collection of IDs instead?
L1554[23:50:11] <Sandra> and map each
state to an ID?
L1555[23:50:15] <kenzierocks>
perhaps
L1556[23:50:20] <Sandra> it stores meta
for each block anyway, no?
L1557[23:50:32] <kenzierocks> idk
L1558[23:50:39] <kenzierocks> don't know
/that/ much about the save format
L1559[23:51:08] <Sandra> iirc they're
planning to just store each state as an ID.
L1560[23:51:11] <barteks2x> internally in
chunk they store meta+id as oe value, but for compatibility it's
split into id+extId+meta for saving
L1561[23:51:20] <barteks2x> (at least it
was last time I looked at it)
L1562[23:51:28] <Sandra> ahk.
L1563[23:52:42] <barteks2x> seems like
some code is already ready for removing meta values
L1564[23:53:12] <mezz> they seem to be
pushing things into blockstate, meta can be abstracted away
L1565[23:53:34] <barteks2x> it already
almost doesn't exist
L1566[23:53:43] <mezz> yep
L1567[23:53:56] <Sandra> mmm.
L1568[23:54:48] <Sandra> (I was upset
when I got to 1.8 and was like "BLOCKSTATES! YAAAAY" but
then i learned you still had to manually convert to and from
meta.)
L1569[23:55:39] <barteks2x> at some point
they will have to change storage format for block ids
L1570[23:55:49] <mezz> mojang has to keep
backward compat and migrate things slooowwly
L1571[23:56:23] <mezz> I think they're
going in a good direction, even if it's a pain at the moment
L1572[23:56:26] <Sandra> mmm....
L1573[23:56:34] <Sandra> I can definitely
agree with that.
L1574[23:56:39] <barteks2x> I know a few
people who are mad a tmojang for going away fro IDs because
"89 is much shorter than glowstone"
L1575[23:57:29] <mezz>
gl<tab>
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L1577[23:58:32] <barteks2x> no amount of
explanation is enough. At some point I ended up getting argument
"Because I just liked ID more than arbitrary hard-to-remember
names"
L1578[23:58:39] <Sandra> ...
L1579[23:58:42] <Sandra> ......
L1580[23:58:46] <Sandra> .........
L1581[23:58:48] <kenzierocks> wat
L1582[23:58:58] <mezz> people hate change
so goddamn much
L1583[23:59:15] <mezz> or at least the
people who do are really loud about it
L1584[23:59:33] <kenzierocks> vocal
minorities are great :D