OCLogs: 2016-05-15.log

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L22[01:35:26] <DovahOfKiin> okay

L23[01:35:38] <DovahOfKiin> so my world crashes everytime I try to save and quit

L24[01:36:03] <Wuppy> https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13177226_505944719588702_2642429724930523463_n.jpg?oh=614ed411f7ed155d2243cc5b9be5175e&oe=57D96710

L25[01:36:07] <DovahOfKiin> not exactly "crash" per se but it gets stuck on that "Shutting down" screen

L26[01:36:58] <DovahOfKiin> the crash involves an inventory. I put an item in the inventory, and wanted to relog to see if the item would still be there

L27[01:37:23] <DovahOfKiin> but that weird crash happens, and when I force close MC and get back to the world, the item is gone

L28[01:37:35] <DovahOfKiin> in addition, this is printed quite a few times in the console

L29[01:37:45] <DovahOfKiin> [File IO Thread/INFO] [STDERR]: [java.lang.ThreadGroup:uncaughtException:-1]: at net.minecraft.nbt.NBTTagList.write(NBTTagList.java:37)

L30[01:39:11] <DovahOfKiin> Here are my read and write to NBT methods

L31[01:39:12] <DovahOfKiin> http://pastebin.com/7xhZLizE

L32[01:39:18] <DovahOfKiin> can someone please help?

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L34[01:39:55] <DovahOfKiin> the methods are present inside the TE implementing IInventory

L35[01:46:10] <Wuppy> question, does anybdoy know a happy tv show to watch?

L36[01:46:19] <Wuppy> I've been watching House and it's been fun but it's damn depressing :V

L37[01:46:38] <Ordinastie_> you already done with those I told you ? :p

L38[01:46:43] <Tazz> hey Wuppy

L39[01:48:48] <DovahOfKiin> Wuppy, game of thrones :P

L40[01:49:09] <sham1> Pfft, no

L41[01:49:20] <sham1> Everyone dies in The Song of Ice and Fire

L42[01:49:23] <DovahOfKiin> I know I was only joking

L43[01:49:29] <DovahOfKiin> A* not the :P

L44[01:49:38] <sham1> Thank you

L45[01:49:58] <DovahOfKiin> You read the books/watched the show?

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L47[01:50:11] <Wuppy> yo Tazz :)

L48[01:50:17] <sham1> Neither

L49[01:50:19] <sham1> Yet

L50[01:50:25] <Wuppy> DovahOfKiin, I am actually really enjoying GoT

L51[01:50:34] <sham1> I have no time

L52[01:50:39] <Wuppy> but that might have somehting to do with the fact that we watch it in a bar with 40+ people

L53[01:50:42] <DovahOfKiin> Which season?

L54[01:50:51] <Wuppy> the latest episodes

L55[01:50:54] <DovahOfKiin> aww

L56[01:51:05] <DovahOfKiin> man I was getting ready with spoilers ;_;

L57[01:51:17] <Wuppy> Ordinastie_, I didn't like the office, but I forgot about the other one

L58[01:51:20] <Wuppy> will watch it now :)

L59[01:51:25] <Ordinastie_> really? :x

L60[01:51:28] <Wuppy> DovahOfKiin, pls no :P:

L61[01:51:35] <Ordinastie_> why not ?

L62[01:51:41] <DovahOfKiin> So can somebody help with my code problem? pl0x

L63[01:51:45] <Wuppy> just didn't, not sure why

L64[01:51:52] <sham1> Show your code

L65[01:52:02] <DovahOfKiin> <DovahOfKiin> okay

L66[01:52:02] <DovahOfKiin> <DovahOfKiin> so my world crashes everytime I try to save and quit

L67[01:52:02] <DovahOfKiin> <Wuppy> https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13177226_505944719588702_2642429724930523463_n.jpg?oh=614ed411f7ed155d2243cc5b9be5175e&oe=57D96710

L68[01:52:02] <DovahOfKiin> <DovahOfKiin> not exactly "crash" per se but it gets stuck on that "Shutting down" screen

L69[01:52:02] <DovahOfKiin> <DovahOfKiin> the crash involves an inventory. I put an item in the inventory, and wanted to relog to see if the item would still be there

L70[01:52:06] <DovahOfKiin> <DovahOfKiin> but that weird crash happens, and when I force close MC and get back to the world, the item is gone

L71[01:52:09] <DovahOfKiin> <DovahOfKiin> in addition, this is printed quite a few times in the console

L72[01:52:10] <Ordinastie_> dude

L73[01:52:11] <DovahOfKiin> <DovahOfKiin> [File IO Thread/INFO] [STDERR]: [java.lang.ThreadGroup:uncaughtException:-1]: at net.minecraft.nbt.NBTTagList.write(NBTTagList.java:37)

L74[01:52:14] <DovahOfKiin> <DovahOfKiin> Here are my read and write to NBT methods

L75[01:52:16] <DovahOfKiin> <DovahOfKiin> http://pastebin.com/7xhZLizE

L76[01:52:18] <DovahOfKiin> sorry

L77[01:52:30] <sham1> My god

L78[01:52:39] <Ordinastie_> Wuppy, the other one was Parks And Recreation

L79[01:52:48] <Wuppy> yep, watching it now :)

L80[01:52:55] <Wuppy> it's not on netflix though :(

L81[01:52:58] <Ordinastie_> and you like it ?

L82[01:53:11] <Wuppy> I'm 1 minute in, no clue yet

L83[01:53:12] <DovahOfKiin> sham1, any help?

L84[01:53:12] <Tazz> hows you?

L85[01:53:20] <Ordinastie_> ah

L86[01:53:27] <sham1> Don't be so worrying

L87[01:53:31] <sham1> I am still looking at it

L88[01:53:41] <Wuppy> that's some good actors :o

L89[01:54:03] <Ordinastie_> can't beleive you don't like the office :x

L90[01:54:14] <Wuppy> hehe

L91[01:54:18] <sham1> NO GOD

L92[01:54:22] <sham1> NO GOD PLEASE NO

L93[01:54:30] <DovahOfKiin> ?

L94[01:54:32] <sham1> How can you not like The Office

L95[01:54:32] <Wuppy> o___0

L96[01:54:39] <Wuppy> lol

L97[01:55:05] <Ordinastie_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H07zYvkNYL8

L98[01:55:47] <Wuppy> wow.... in Enter the Gungeon there's an iron coin called "Valar Mogunis"

L99[01:56:22] <sham1> This should work

L100[01:56:42] <sham1> Is there any kind of stacktrace

L101[01:57:03] <DovahOfKiin> All I can give you is this:

L102[01:58:04] <DovahOfKiin> http://pastebin.com/MRLdW2xN

L103[01:58:19] <DovahOfKiin> that's literally all in my console

L104[01:58:31] <Ordinastie_> do you know how to use a debugger ?

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L224[01:59:39] <DovahOfKiin> why did everyone quit

L225[01:59:54] <sham1> it says

L226[01:59:55] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Pushing snapshot_20160515 mappings to Forge Maven.

L227[01:59:56] <sham1> Net split

L228[01:59:58] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Maven upload successful for mcp_snapshot-20160515-1.9.zip (mappings = "snapshot_20160515" in build.gradle).

L229[02:00:09] <MCPBot_Reborn> Semi-live (every 10 min), Snapshot (daily ~3:00 EST), and Stable (committed) MCPBot mapping exports can be found here: http://export.mcpbot.bspk.rs/

L230[02:00:15] <DovahOfKiin> Ordinastie_, no I don't know how to

L231[02:00:29] * Ordinastie_ sighs

L232[02:01:33] <Ordinastie_> debugging is an inherent part of programming

L233[02:01:48] <Ordinastie_> I don't understand how people can code without knowing how to debug :x

L234[02:02:25] <sham1> If all they have done before trying to mod is really simple programs, I think then they think they don't need to debug

L235[02:02:33] <sham1> Although if it is so, then why

L236[02:03:18] <DovahOfKiin> So any help guys?

L237[02:03:26] <sham1> Luckily with Java you get really nice debuggers

L238[02:03:40] <sham1> You need to debug your code and see what goes wrong in the File IO thread

L239[02:04:02] <Ordinastie_> you need to learn how to use a debugger

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L366[02:23:10] <Ordinastie_> anybody here uses JDownloader 2 ?

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L374[02:49:20] <PaleoCrafter> I have used it, Ordinastie_, yes

L375[02:50:07] <Ordinastie_> meh, I wanted back the default value for the filename for youtube videos

L376[02:50:30] <Ordinastie_> but apparently, with the latest version of the plugin, *videonumber* doesn't work anymore :x

L377[02:50:32] <Ordinastie_> that sucks

L378[02:51:00] <Cypher121> https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/KT-12343 a.k.a. why the fuck IItemHandler is not a list

L379[02:52:03] <sham1> Because

L380[02:52:28] <tterrag> what

L381[02:53:19] <sham1> IItemHandler has methods that could be used like any other listr

L382[02:54:15] <tterrag> IItemHandler should be iterable without remove support

L383[02:54:22] <tterrag> that's all :P

L384[02:54:23] <Cypher121> ItemStackHandler actually, not the interface

L385[02:55:21] <sham1> for (ItemStack stack : capability)

L386[02:55:27] <sham1> That could work as well

L387[02:55:31] <sham1> TO iterate over everything

L388[02:55:36] <tterrag> exactly

L389[02:55:42] <Ordinastie_> itemStack ? not slots ?

L390[02:55:42] <Cypher121> yeah, it would need to be Iterable for that

L391[02:55:48] <tterrag> obviously

L392[02:55:52] <Cypher121> it's a list of ItemStack

L393[02:55:52] <tterrag> that's what I suggested :P

L394[02:56:04] <tterrag> Ordinastie_: the hell does slot have to do with this O.o

L395[02:56:09] <sham1> ^

L396[02:56:31] <Cypher121> in any case

L397[02:56:32] <Cypher121> shit

L398[02:56:33] <Ordinastie_> it doesn't have slots ? I dunno, never looked at them :p

L399[02:57:06] <Cypher121> it has slots as in integers from 0 to size - 1

L400[02:57:40] <Ordinastie_> I meant actual slot object

L401[02:57:45] <Cypher121> that's Container

L402[03:00:28] <Cypher121> yeah, Iterable<ItemStack?> would be more than enough

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L404[03:00:38] <Cypher121> it's already a shitton of utility

L405[03:01:31] <sham1> >ItemStack?

L406[03:01:41] <sham1> Wouldn't that be Optional<ItemStack>

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L410[03:02:55] <Cypher121> sham1: kotlin

L411[03:03:22] <sham1> Well, we want to be fully Java compatible so it has to be Optional

L412[03:03:23] <Cypher121> in java it would be just Iterable<ItemStack> because what's the last time you saw someone use Optional in java

L413[03:04:01] <Cypher121> kotlin would translate Iterable<ItemStack> into Iterable<ItemStack!> which let's you choose exactly how many fucks you give about nullability

L414[03:04:10] <Cypher121> s/let's/lets/

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L427[03:13:25] <tterrag> Cypher121: forge uses optional in many places

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L430[03:19:27] <Cypher121> tterrag: guava's optional?

L431[03:19:33] <tterrag> well, yeah

L432[03:19:36] <tterrag> no java 8

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L434[03:20:02] <Cypher121> yeah, I doubt there will ever be any interop between kotlin and that

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L436[03:22:24] <modmuss50> I have moved to linux for dev, only issue I have is when I place a breakpoint my mouse gets stuck in minecraft

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L438[03:22:41] <modmuss50> How would I get my mouse of the window, Alt-Tab worked on windows

L439[03:23:11] <sham1> Alt-tab

L440[03:23:20] <Cypher121> sham1: nope

L441[03:23:26] <sham1> But depends on your display manager

L442[03:23:33] <Cypher121> at least nope for compiz

L443[03:23:39] <Cypher121> because fuck compiz

L444[03:23:41] <sham1> "Compiz"

L445[03:23:48] <modmuss50> I just had to reset my pc to get out of it

L446[03:24:06] <Flynn1179> what's the command that unbinds the mouse from minecraft? Call it in immediate mode

L447[03:24:26] <Ordinastie_> Mouse.ungrab() or something

L448[03:24:39] <modmuss50> yeah its something like that

L449[03:24:44] <modmuss50> where do I put that in idea?

L450[03:24:44] <barteks2x> Mouse.setGrabbed(false)

L451[03:25:17] <Cypher121> add a watch for it

L452[03:25:21] <Flynn1179> I assume you mean IDE.. which IDE?

L453[03:25:25] <Cypher121> idea

L454[03:25:29] <Cypher121> intellij idea

L455[03:25:35] <modmuss50> yeah

L456[03:25:48] <Flynn1179> Oh, it's an IDE that's called 'idea'. Forgot about that.. not confusing at all.

L457[03:26:04] <barteks2x> or if mouse is already stuck you can use alt+tab and alt+f8 to evaluate expression

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L459[03:26:18] <modmuss50> ok I will give that a go

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L461[03:26:51] <Cypher121> modmuss50: try putting it under Watches

L462[03:27:14] <modmuss50> Ok let me reboot my PC again :/

L463[03:27:14] <Cypher121> iirc, everything there gets evaluated on pause

L464[03:27:18] <Flynn1179> Or of course just put an ungrab call right before your breakpoint

L465[03:27:31] <Cypher121> or learn hotkeys

L466[03:27:34] <Cypher121> casuals

L467[03:27:45] <barteks2x> alt+f8 is to evaluate expression

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L469[03:28:45] <sham1> Statement

L470[03:29:12] <modmuss50> I could stop it from suspending that would work

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L473[03:38:09] <Cypher121> which one should I use? https://gist.github.com/Cypher121/d75412ec1aed654affb108f264699f7a

L474[03:39:03] <barteks2x> fail: I wanted to see if "quick evaluate expression" keyboard shortcut works. And I misread ctrl+alt+8 as ctrl+alt+f8. And I was suprices that my screen turned black when I used it...

L475[03:39:49] <Cypher121> sham1: what do you think?

L476[03:40:36] <Cazzar> Cypher121: it would depend on your code style

L477[03:40:59] <Cazzar> Do you prefer null coalescing or try-catch?

L478[03:41:24] <Cypher121> I prefer null, but that's not the real question here

L479[03:41:44] <Cypher121> do I want this function to be used if user is not sure what block is inside this state?

L480[03:42:40] <Cypher121> and I have no idea here

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L482[03:44:40] <Ordinastie_> Cypher121, go for null, because you never know what shit you can get passed by vanilla

L483[03:45:21] <Cypher121> yeah, I probably will do that

L484[03:46:18] <Ordinastie_> however, I wouldn't add it to IBS

L485[03:47:07] <Cypher121> it's supposed to mirror getBlock()

L486[03:47:37] <Cypher121> so that instead of state.getBlock() as SomeBlock, you can do state.get<SomeBlock>()

L487[03:47:44] <Ordinastie_> yes, if you have a IBS, you shouldn't be able to get null block from it

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L489[03:48:13] <Ordinastie_> what would make more sense is to have that getter from world

L490[03:48:21] <Cypher121> that's the thing, if you use wrong type here, you either crash or get null

L491[03:48:22] <Ordinastie_> getBlockState<ExpectedBlock>

L492[03:49:06] <Cypher121> that makes little sense, because ExpectedBlock will be lost. you have to get block directly from world then and I think I'll add function for that too

L493[03:49:58] <Cypher121> so world.getBlock<SomeBlock>(pos) and world.getTile<SomeTE>(pos)

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L497[04:03:35] <Wuppy> this'll not be smart, but it will be fun: http://img1.joyreactor.com/pics/post/auto-9gag-1854521.jpeg

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L500[04:05:00] <sham1> You WILL die

L501[04:05:08] <Cazzar> Wuppy: I wish you best in recovering from your hangover at the minimum

L502[04:05:31] <Cypher121> at least start at the middle of the episode

L503[04:05:34] <Cazzar> Also, RIP Wuppy's wallet

L504[04:05:40] <Wuppy> haha

L505[04:06:29] <Cypher121> or you'll get to ER before you learn how it ends

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L507[04:07:33] <Wuppy> you cant possibly drink that much in an hour

L508[04:07:56] <Cazzar> You can... I was close to it

L509[04:08:03] <Wuppy> really? how?

L510[04:08:12] <Wuppy> did you drink a bottle of wodka or something?

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L513[04:10:12] <Cazzar> only half....

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L515[04:12:02] <boni> to actually drink yourself into a state where it's life threatening you need energy drinks and the like, because otherwise you get too tired and your system shuts down before you can drink enough

L516[04:12:07] <boni> at least with normal consumption

L517[04:13:19] <Wuppy> I never even get remotely close

L518[04:13:28] <boni> ....you shouldn't

L519[04:13:30] <boni> obviously

L520[04:14:18] <Wuppy> http://twitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/captainobvious1.jpg

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L522[04:18:56] <Wuppy> what the fuck

L523[04:19:03] <Wuppy> you can buy a laptop with a GTX 980

L524[04:19:07] <Wuppy> not a GTX 980M, a 980

L525[04:19:41] <ghz|afk> uhhh, I highly doubt that

L526[04:19:58] <Ordinastie_> you sure that's not a typo ?

L527[04:20:00] <Wuppy> BTO 17CL79 X book

L528[04:20:08] <ghz|afk> http://www.geforce.com/hardware/notebook-gpus/geforce-gtx-980

L529[04:20:09] <ghz|afk> nope it isn't

L530[04:20:10] <ghz|afk> WTF

L531[04:20:47] <Wuppy> http://i.imgur.com/s34WocO.png

L532[04:21:10] <ghz|afk> it's the same core configuration

L533[04:21:17] <ghz|afk> 2048 thingies, 256bit memory bus

L534[04:21:55] <Wuppy> they're about 3000 dollars, but who cares :P

L535[04:21:56] <ghz|afk> or in other words: the gpu in that laptop consumes more than the rest of the laptop added together -- including the screen

L536[04:22:52] <Wuppy> might be smart to chagne this though http://i.imgur.com/qe2lD3L.png

L537[04:23:37] <Ordinastie_> depends on your usage

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L539[04:24:01] <Ordinastie_> you might never not be not connecter to power

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L541[04:24:24] <Cypher121> it's probably "I'm rich enough for a laptop with 980, but not rich enough for a bigger table" kind of laptop

L542[04:24:27] <ghz|afk> Wuppy: that laptop isn't actually a laptop

L543[04:24:32] <ghz|afk> it's a foldable computer

L544[04:24:36] <Wuppy> yep

L545[04:24:41] <ghz|afk> so the battery is just an UPS

L546[04:24:49] <Ordinastie_> Cypher121, or you know, I stay at different places

L547[04:24:50] <Wuppy> I cant imagine how hot that gets though

L548[04:25:00] <Cypher121> Ordinastie_: or, you know, it's a joke

L549[04:25:27] <ghz|afk> Cypher121: well generally speaking, a 3000eur laptop costs less than a bigger house ;P

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L551[04:26:49] <Wuppy> 5710 euros for a laptop with a 980, 64GB of DDR4 ram 5TB or SSD space (int RAID0)

L552[04:26:52] <Cypher121> fair enough

L553[04:27:11] <Wuppy> and the cpu is an i7 4.2GHz

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L558[04:43:29] <barteks2x> bash: fork: Cannot allocate memory - I really shouldn't try to run weird commands "to see what happens"

L559[04:44:40] <Cypher121> lol forkbomb

L560[04:45:08] <Cypher121> here's a good one

L561[04:45:10] <Cypher121> echo "test... test... test..." | perl -e '$??s:;s:s;;$?::s;;=]=>%-{<-|}<&|`{;;y; -/:-@[-`{-};`-{/" -;;s;;$_;see'

L562[04:45:33] <barteks2x> no, I limited PIDs to 300

L563[04:45:34] <Cypher121> stopped working some time ago though

L564[04:47:29] <barteks2x> right now I can still use kill, but anything that would show me list of processes refuses to work

L565[04:48:15] <Cypher121> killall ?

L566[04:48:35] <barteks2x> killall - nope

L567[04:48:37] <barteks2x> only kill works

L568[04:48:58] <unascribed> yeah, since kill is a shell builtin and killall is an executable :P

L569[04:49:55] <sham1> Nah

L570[04:50:03] <sham1> /bin/kill

L571[04:50:04] <unascribed> /proc may be useful to you

L572[04:50:13] <unascribed> sham1, most shells provide it as a builtin as well

L573[04:50:18] <unascribed> most builtins are also available as executables

L574[04:50:31] <unascribed> if it shows up in help, it's a builtin

L575[04:50:55] <barteks2x> and how can I use it in any way if cat/ls don't work?

L576[04:51:05] <Cypher121> lol

L577[04:51:08] <unascribed> tab completion should work

L578[04:51:22] <barteks2x> that worked

L579[04:51:26] <Cazzar> http://upload.cazzar.net/u/1463305889

L580[04:51:52] <sham1> which kill just says /bin/kill

L581[04:52:00] <unascribed> apparently you can also do "read derp < file" "echo $derp"

L582[04:52:36] <unascribed> https://unascribed.com/i/25cb92e6.png

L583[04:54:02] <unascribed> which isn't a shell builtin

L584[04:54:04] <unascribed> type is

L585[04:54:12] <unascribed> I'd imagine Cazzar is using zsh and which is a builtin there

L586[04:55:12] <barteks2x> after killing a few random processes it still doesn't seem to work

L587[04:55:15] <Cypher121> anyone tried uploading their mods/libs to jcenter?

L588[04:55:36] <unascribed> barteks2x, just reboot

L589[04:55:38] <unascribed> it's not worth it

L590[04:55:59] <sham1> It's dead jim

L591[04:56:38] <ghz|afk> yeh save any unsaved files

L592[04:56:42] <ghz|afk> and just press the reset button

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L594[04:57:18] <Cypher121> I'm actually amazed you can still press anything while forkbombed

L595[04:57:27] <unascribed> he set a ulimit

L596[04:57:43] <Cypher121> ah

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L598[05:01:33] <barteks2x> so I'm back (and never trying to do something weird again)

L599[05:01:47] <unascribed> don't run untrusted shell commands :P

L600[05:02:04] <unascribed> which also means do not do "curl <blah> | sh"

L601[05:02:06] <barteks2x> it was just something like "let's see what will happen if I do that"

L602[05:02:11] <unascribed> Bad Things

L603[05:02:36] <barteks2x> I should have a vm for these things

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L605[05:03:37] <Cazzar> barteks2x: for example

L606[05:04:01] <Cazzar> sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sd{a,b,c} bs=4m

L607[05:04:21] <unascribed> dd works with shell globs?

L608[05:04:27] <Cazzar> Not sure

L609[05:04:28] <barteks2x> that would be even more stupid than what I did

L610[05:04:30] <Cazzar> if it doesn't good.

L611[05:04:41] <Cazzar> I did it once on an ubuntu VM

L612[05:04:50] <Cypher121> won't it be unwrapped before it even reaches dd?

L613[05:04:52] <Cazzar> Fun times when the disk is running out of space, and it loads the loc for that

L614[05:05:11] <Wuppy> ugh what a pity, huge free festival in my backyard, but awful weather :<

L615[05:05:17] <unascribed> it looks like it sort of does but only slightly

L616[05:05:32] <sham1> >The Netherlands

L617[05:05:36] <Wuppy> it's halfway through May and I've got my damn heating on

L618[05:05:36] <sham1> >Awful weather

L619[05:05:41] <unascribed> https://unascribed.com/i/9bd937bf.png

L620[05:05:43] <sham1> Are you surprised

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L622[05:05:58] <unascribed> and yes I could have done "test{1,2,3}"

L623[05:05:59] <unascribed> but I didn't

L624[05:06:00] <unascribed> deal with it

L625[05:06:03] <Wuppy> nope, last festival I went to also had awful weather

L626[05:06:13] <Cazzar> http://upload.cazzar.net/u/1463306778

L627[05:06:23] <sham1> I on the other hand welcome the rain

L628[05:06:36] <sham1> It has been agonizingly hot this week

L629[05:07:00] <sham1> What shell is that Cazzar

L630[05:07:03] <unascribed> dd's syntax is all sorts of weird so I don't know what to think of that result

L631[05:07:41] <Cazzar> sham1: http://upload.cazzar.net/u/1463306866

L632[05:07:45] <Cazzar> damnit

L633[05:07:47] <barteks2x> I always add - before if and of, and then remove it after I run it and it doesn't ork

L634[05:08:00] <Cazzar> http://upload.cazzar.net/u/1463306880

L635[05:08:17] <unascribed> -zsh?

L636[05:08:37] <Cazzar> That's what seems to happen when zsh is your login shell

L637[05:08:42] <unascribed> ah

L638[05:09:00] <sham1> Yeah

L639[05:09:06] <sham1> The dash tells that it is a logging shell

L640[05:09:09] <sham1> login shell even

L641[05:09:18] <unascribed> meanwhile I'm using bash :P

L642[05:09:43] <sham1> Same

L643[05:09:44] <barteks2x> I used zsh for some time, but after swithcing OS 4 times I no longer care

L644[05:10:00] <sham1> Although I should probably get myself tcsh

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L652[05:13:21] <Cazzar> Though; http://upload.cazzar.net/u/1463307204

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L654[05:14:23] <sham1> Bash-completion is also nice

L655[05:14:34] <Cazzar> I like ZSH's a lot

L656[05:14:42] <Cazzar> Plus, I have my dotfiles

L657[05:14:44] <gigaherz> I startedwriting a shell once

L658[05:14:52] <gigaherz> it was using mirc's scripting syntax

L659[05:15:24] <sham1> Although, installing ZSH would be nice

L660[05:15:37] <sham1> I just don't know how long it would take to compile it

L661[05:15:54] <Cazzar> pacman -S zsh && chsh /usr/bin/zsh

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L663[05:16:20] <sham1> emerge --ask app-shells/zsh && chsh /usr/bin/zsh

L664[05:16:21] <sham1> m8

L665[05:16:29] <unascribed> ...

L666[05:16:34] <unascribed> I've never seen anyone who actually runs gentoo

L667[05:16:36] <Cazzar> I don't have the time to wait for everything to compile

L668[05:16:41] <Cazzar> unascribed: I used to

L669[05:16:47] <sham1> unascribed, well now you have

L670[05:16:49] <Cazzar> Then found arch was a little... less in install time

L671[05:17:01] <sham1> I like the ability to customize everything

L672[05:17:19] <Cazzar> as you can with most distros

L673[05:17:20] <gigaherz> ugh I hate when I abandon a project in an uncompilable form

L674[05:17:21] <gigaherz> XD

L675[05:17:39] <Cazzar> sham1: arch; just use ABS

L676[05:17:44] <sham1> Meh

L677[05:17:58] <sham1> I would have to compile it anyway

L678[05:18:07] <sham1> So might as well just use this

L679[05:18:21] <Cazzar> Eh, I won't force you, though the comment is fairly void

L680[05:18:31] <sham1> How so

L681[05:18:50] <Cazzar> You can customise any distro.

L682[05:19:38] <sham1> But in some distros it takes more effort to do than in others

L683[05:19:53] <sham1> Hmm

L684[05:20:00] <sham1> I should sync my portage tree

L685[05:20:04] <Cazzar> True.

L686[05:20:32] <unascribed> I have 214 updates pending :L

L687[05:20:50] <sham1> I think I just found out why I cannot update any packages

L688[05:20:50] <Cazzar> I dunno if I eventually want to rebuild this OS to be gentoo or not

L689[05:20:56] <sham1> Because my ebuilds are out of date

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L700[06:00:30] <DovahOfKiin> how do I enable hot code replace?

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L709[06:39:57] <sham1> The what now

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L714[06:52:38] <TobyO> Hey, can anyone tell me how to color text I am printing to chat?

L715[06:55:36] <baegmon> sender.addChatMessage(new TextComponentString(TextFormatting.RED + "Invalid Arguments!"));

L716[06:55:43] <baegmon> where sender is the EntityPlayer

L717[06:56:38] <heldplayer> That's actually a bad way of doing it :P

L718[06:57:03] <heldplayer> You have to use an attribute to set the color, I don't have code with me though

L719[06:57:19] <iTitus> you can do something along the lines of:

L720[06:57:20] <heldplayer> I think it's a method of TextComponentString?

L721[06:57:31] <iTitus> ITexComponent.getStyle().setColor(...)

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L723[06:58:08] <baegmon> oh why is it bad? I've only seen this example so I've been using that one lol

L724[06:58:40] <TobyO> That actually looks a lot more simple than how I am doing ti

L725[06:59:01] <TobyO> (well, how I am about to try doing it)

L726[07:00:09] <heldplayer> Because if your message wraps around in the chat box, only the first line will be coloured, the rest will be white

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L728[07:01:18] <TobyO> ah okay

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L731[07:07:40] <tterrag> gigaherz: how much do you know about templates >.>

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L738[07:24:32] <baegmon> Anyone have an example of a custom biome code for 1.9 ?

L739[07:30:53] <gigaherz> tterrag: back

L740[07:30:57] <gigaherz> a bit,

L741[07:31:00] <tterrag> too late

L742[07:31:05] <gigaherz> I knwo C++11 added some extra stuff

L743[07:31:09] <gigaherz> but I'm not really an expert ;P

L744[07:31:17] <tterrag> I gave C++ too much credit as per usual and assume it could infer the template on the constructor invocation

L745[07:31:35] <tterrag> i.e. Foo<Bar> *f = new Foo(); <- does not compile

L746[07:31:47] <tterrag> Foo<Bar> *f = new Foo<Bar>(); <- compiles

L747[07:32:20] <gigaherz> C++ works the other way

L748[07:32:28] <gigaherz> auto f = new Foo<Bar>();

L749[07:32:35] <tterrag> I suppose I could have used auto

L750[07:32:42] <tterrag> I just generally don't. suppose I'm not used to it

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L756[07:36:15] <Cazzar> I would never expect C++/C to infer

L757[07:37:41] <gigaherz> it can

L758[07:37:46] <gigaherz> but it works the other way around

L759[07:37:50] <gigaherz> from what java does

L760[07:38:18] <gigaherz> something like

L761[07:38:39] <gigaherz> template<typename T> T doSomething(T input) { ... }

L762[07:38:50] <gigaherz> if you the ncall

L763[07:38:52] <gigaherz> doSomething(1.0)

L764[07:38:55] <gigaherz> the output will be double

L765[07:39:13] <gigaherz> but it will never try to cast the input to float just because you assign the result to a variable of type float

L766[07:39:20] <AndersBillLind> Do I have to setup a decomp workspace once per mod I am coding in parallel?

L767[07:39:27] <gigaherz> yes

L768[07:40:02] <gigaherz> which is why it's more efficient to have all your mods use the same version of forge AND mappings

L769[07:40:14] <gigaherz> since the slow stuff only has to be done once

L770[07:40:16] <gigaherz> and it can reuse the result

L771[07:40:36] <AndersBillLind> Ah

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L773[07:40:45] <AndersBillLind> You mean that the different jvms will share objects?

L774[07:40:47] <tterrag> gigaherz: that's one of the more confusing things I've found. C++ only seems to widen parameter precision *sometimes*

L775[07:41:15] <gigaherz> hm?

L776[07:41:32] <gigaherz> C++ should always accept a float into a function that takes double

L777[07:41:38] <gigaherz> or int in a function that takes "long long"

L778[07:41:56] <gigaherz> I think int->double is also implicit

L779[07:41:59] <tterrag> not in my experience

L780[07:42:16] <gigaherz> int->float .... may be just a warning

L781[07:42:47] <tterrag> ok so...now I have a struct in a header, where I have some default instances declared after it. and I'm getting multiple definition errors

L782[07:42:57] <AndersBillLind> Seems I do not understand the project mapping fully, eclipse uses mdk/ecplipse as workspace, but where is the list of projects stored?

L783[07:42:58] <tterrag> why does the include guard not prevent that

L784[07:43:11] <tterrag> AndersBillLind: .metadata in workspace directory

L785[07:43:13] <gigaherz> include guard is only applied per file

L786[07:43:15] <gigaherz> as in

L787[07:43:18] <gigaherz> each file in your code

L788[07:43:20] <gigaherz> starts from 0

L789[07:43:31] <AndersBillLind> tterrag: thx

L790[07:43:35] <gigaherz> the compiler has no knowledge of other files

L791[07:43:47] <gigaherz> there's two ways to approach the issue:

L792[07:43:54] <gigaherz> 1. you use "static" to make the declarations file-local

L793[07:44:02] <gigaherz> in which caseeach file will have its own copy of the values

L794[07:44:08] <gigaherz> or 2. you use extern

L795[07:44:23] <gigaherz> in which case you will need to implement the non-extern in ONE of the files

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L797[07:44:29] <AndersBillLind> Having multiple projects in your workspace is how you create many mods at the same time then?

L798[07:44:37] <AndersBillLind> But then you need multiple source dirs

L799[07:44:58] <gigaherz> AndersBillLind: it's unrelated

L800[07:45:03] <gigaherz> the workspace is an eclipse concept

L801[07:45:04] <AndersBillLind> ok

L802[07:45:08] <AndersBillLind> yes

L803[07:45:09] <tterrag> gigaherz: uhh...I'm not sure you are getting what I mean by default instances

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L805[07:45:25] <gigaherz> tterrag: ?

L806[07:46:01] <gigaherz> I assumed you mean "class X { data ... } AnInstance;" ?

L807[07:46:19] <tterrag> yes

L808[07:46:30] <tterrag> http://ideone.com/qSCLRH

L809[07:46:31] <tterrag> like that

L810[07:46:43] <gigaherz> yeah

L811[07:46:50] <gigaherz> those are just like any other variable declaration

L812[07:46:54] <gigaherz> just mashed up together with the class

L813[07:47:14] <gigaherz> let me try to explain differently

L814[07:47:22] <gigaherz> the way C++ compilation works

L815[07:47:22] <AndersBillLind> Just copying the whole mdk dir to another place should make it possible to create another mod right?

L816[07:47:26] <gigaherz> is that the compiler takes a file

L817[07:47:36] <gigaherz> and as it reads

L818[07:47:46] <gigaherz> it expands the #includes into the contents of the include file (recursively)

L819[07:48:02] <gigaherz> it expands #define macros into their content, etc

L820[07:48:08] <gigaherz> and the resulting data stream

L821[07:48:18] <gigaherz> is what ends up being parsed and compiled into object files

L822[07:48:24] <tterrag> hm I see the issue

L823[07:48:33] <gigaherz> each file ends as one object

L824[07:48:41] <tterrag> you said "or use extern" how would I do that?

L825[07:48:41] <gigaherz> which contains a number of symbol exports

L826[07:48:44] <Cazzar> I really need to get the hang of C++ coding..

L827[07:48:57] <gigaherz> so if you have two files with matching symbols

L828[07:49:00] <gigaherz> you get duplicate errors

L829[07:49:06] <gigaherz> so what you can do is

L830[07:49:08] <gigaherz> in the .h:

L831[07:49:13] <gigaherz> class X { --- };

L832[07:49:19] <gigaherz> extern X Intance1;

L833[07:49:21] <gigaherz> extern X Intance2;

L834[07:49:26] <gigaherz> and in a .cpp

L835[07:49:31] <gigaherz> X Instance1;

L836[07:49:32] <gigaherz> X Instance2;

L837[07:49:41] <gigaherz> (can be merged into one line, as usual)

L838[07:50:04] <gigaherz> the extern keyword tells the compiler "trust that this will exist"

L839[07:50:14] <gigaherz> function prototypes are extern by default

L840[07:51:44] <Cazzar> What about class definitions at the linker level?

L841[07:52:21] <gigaherz> class definitions aren't exports

L842[07:52:34] <gigaherz> they are just metadata

L843[07:53:15] <gigaherz> type symbols have no meaning after compilation

L844[07:53:29] <gigaherz> that's why C++ compilers

L845[07:53:31] <gigaherz> use name mangling

L846[07:53:32] <AndersBillLind> Hm, seems like if i copied mdk to another location and was doing gradlew eclipse, it starts to download the whole world

L847[07:54:03] <gigaherz> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_mangling#How_different_compilers_mangle_the_same_functions

L848[07:54:18] <gigaherz> the decorated name has the types included in it

L849[07:54:23] <gigaherz> so that the resulting exported symbol

L850[07:54:28] <gigaherz> will not match if the types are different

L851[07:54:36] <gigaherz> the linker won't know "you have wrong types"

L852[07:54:50] <gigaherz> it will only know that there's no symbol anywhere, that has that specific name

L853[07:55:01] <AndersBillLind> Is copying the mdk directory a supported way of creating another mod project?

L854[07:55:10] <gigaherz> AndersBillLind: sortof

L855[07:55:12] <gigaherz> you can copy it

L856[07:55:20] <gigaherz> but you'll still have to rerun setupDecompWorkspace and such

L857[07:55:24] <gigaherz> because the folder name has changed

L858[07:55:24] <AndersBillLind> way?

L859[07:55:35] <AndersBillLind> Are there absolute paths somewhere?

L860[07:55:38] <gigaherz> so the location of the source files etc will be different

L861[07:55:38] <gigaherz> yes

L862[07:56:06] <AndersBillLind> Maybe I should just remove that project and readd it

L863[07:56:08] <gigaherz> so you don't save much by copying the folder

L864[07:56:13] <gigaherz> vs starting over from a new MDK zip

L865[07:56:28] <gigaherz> unless you have custom build.gradle stuff

L866[07:56:30] <AndersBillLind> But an mdk zip needs extra downloads to be operable

L867[07:56:35] <gigaherz> ?

L868[07:56:45] <AndersBillLind> gradlew setupDeompWorkspace etc

L869[07:56:48] <gigaherz> yes

L870[07:56:54] <gigaherz> that's cached in the user .gradle folder

L871[07:56:59] <AndersBillLind> Oh

L872[07:57:04] <AndersBillLind> I didnt know

L873[07:57:06] <gigaherz> that data can be reused by other projects

L874[07:57:18] <gigaherz> so if you use the same forge version and mappings version

L875[07:57:24] <gigaherz> it won't have to rerun the decompile and such

L876[07:57:36] <gigaherz> it can just apply the samedata to your folder

L877[07:57:44] <gigaherz> that's why I said

L878[07:57:49] <AndersBillLind> cool

L879[07:57:53] <gigaherz> it's best to make all your mods use the same version of forge+mappings

L880[07:57:58] <AndersBillLind> yes

L881[07:58:02] <gigaherz> because it will avoid extra work

L882[07:58:05] <gigaherz> for gradle

L883[07:58:12] <AndersBillLind> But I will go for 1.9 sooner or later

L884[07:59:04] <AndersBillLind> Will caches for the different versions overwrite each other?

L885[07:59:42] <gigaherz> no

L886[07:59:44] <gigaherz> separate folders

L887[07:59:54] <gigaherz> gradle has one cache for each version of forge, AND each version of mappings

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L889[08:00:02] <gigaherz> forgegradle*

L890[08:00:11] <tterrag> gigaherz: one of the most specific instances I can think of for lack of widening precision is operator overloads

L891[08:00:21] <tterrag> if there is operator+(float) and you do foo + 1

L892[08:00:23] <tterrag> not gonna work

L893[08:00:29] <gigaherz> hmmm

L894[08:00:53] <gigaherz> how about "operator+(double)" and foo+1 or 1.0f?

L895[08:02:27] <tterrag> I think actually in this case it's due to templates

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L897[08:03:13] <tterrag> glm::tvec2<T, P> defines operator+(const T&)

L898[08:03:28] <tterrag> but still, that should generate operator+(double) for a dvec2

L899[08:04:45] <tterrag> note: deduced conflicting types for parameter 'const T' ('double' and 'int')

L900[08:08:10] <AndersBillLind> C:\Users\anders\.gradle\caches\minecraft\net\minecraftforge\forge\1.8.8-11.14.4.1576-1.8.8\userdev\dev.json could not be parsed

L901[08:08:25] <AndersBillLind> Seems like gradlew setupDecompWorkspace was not supported in my clone :)

L902[08:08:38] <AndersBillLind> It is just to wipe the gradle-cache and retry?

L903[08:09:01] <AndersBillLind> It that cache in use when I run a mod from eclipse?

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L905[08:12:35] <Cazzar> Well, RVM is surprisingly easy to uninstall

L906[08:13:39] <AndersBillLind> I have had problems installing forge on some 32-bit machines

L907[08:13:51] <AndersBillLind> Even if I give the jvm more memory, I am out of luck

L908[08:13:55] <AndersBillLind> At 56%

L909[08:14:11] <AndersBillLind> If that number rings a bell

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L911[08:17:08] <Cazzar> AndersBillLind: what's the error that it throws?

L912[08:17:49] <Flenix> Is there any major obsticales I'm likely to hit if I use NBT to define different items as opposed to ID or damage? I'm systematically generated a LOT of items so using IDs would be silly, and they can be individually damaged so can't use that either.

L913[08:18:40] <gigaherz> Flenix: 1.8+?

L914[08:18:53] <Flenix> No, 1.7 currently but may eventually go to 1.8

L915[08:19:01] <gigaherz> well then no idea ;P

L916[08:19:34] <gigaherz> I know that in 1.8+, having subitems based on NBT means the way you tell MC about which model files to load is different

L917[08:19:48] <gigaherz> the logic is mostly the same still

L918[08:20:03] <gigaherz> you'll just probably want to ahve some helper methods for getting the "subitem type" from NBT

L919[08:20:15] <gigaherz> which you'll have to use in all the Item methods taking an ItemStack

L920[08:20:21] <gigaherz> and anywhere else you need to check for your items

L921[08:20:33] <gigaherz> if those items are used in recipes, it will also be a bit more annoying

L922[08:20:38] <AndersBillLind> Cazzar: I wiped the cache, too late, as you see the json file was unparseable

L923[08:20:39] <gigaherz> since the normal recipe system only matches metadata values

L924[08:20:55] <Flenix> Ah, that should be fine because they'll be using the same model file (and even texture; it's just recoloured like Grass is). They're never used in vanilla-style recipes, only my own custom stuff

L925[08:21:28] <Flenix> (When I say same model/texture, there'll be about 50 different ones, but I'll be using one ID for each so the NBTs will all share a common one)

L926[08:22:32] <AndersBillLind> Hm, when I open eclipse, having mdk/eclipse as workspace, I should be able to set the ExempleMod project, right?

L927[08:23:23] <AndersBillLind> Its empty for some reason

L928[08:23:45] <gigaherz> did you run "gralew eclipse"?

L929[08:23:51] <AndersBillLind> yes

L930[08:23:53] <gigaherz> gradlew*

L931[08:24:05] <AndersBillLind> gradlew setupDecompWorkspace and gradlew eclipse

L932[08:24:08] <gigaherz> hmm then I have no idea what you are doing wrong

L933[08:24:15] * gigaherz doesn't use eclipse

L934[08:24:17] <AndersBillLind> ok

L935[08:24:22] <Flenix> Did you rename the folder after running those?

L936[08:24:22] <AndersBillLind> What do you use then?

L937[08:24:27] <AndersBillLind> no

L938[08:24:33] <gigaherz> I use IntelliJ IDEA

L939[08:24:39] <AndersBillLind> ok

L940[08:25:17] <Flenix> All I can think to try is try again. Download forge again, unzip to a different folder, run the two commands and point eclipse to ./yourFolderName/eclipse and see what happens

L941[08:26:34] <AndersBillLind> eclipse had problem with me adding the mdk directory as java project, because it has a workspace inside

L942[08:26:44] <AndersBillLind> nested workspaces

L943[08:27:04] <sham1> Why nested workspaces

L944[08:27:16] <AndersBillLind> the eclipse directory inside mdk

L945[08:27:24] <AndersBillLind> ...is the actual workspace

L946[08:27:28] <sham1> Nah

L947[08:27:30] <AndersBillLind> But the mdk directory is the java project

L948[08:27:31] <gigaherz> no ti's a project

L949[08:27:34] <gigaherz> the workspace is wherever you put it

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L951[08:27:57] <AndersBillLind> hm

L952[08:28:05] <sham1> All 8 cores are doing so much work

L953[08:28:10] <sham1> Damn it Qt

L954[08:29:26] <AndersBillLind> In an already working setup, the mdk directory itself is the project directory and mdk/eclipse workspace

L955[08:30:08] <AndersBillLind> Therefore, the changelog, gradlew etc shows up in eclipse when I expand the MDKExample node

L956[08:30:51] <tterrag> you keep talking about the mdk, why?

L957[08:31:00] <tterrag> it's not necessary, other than being useful to get the default buildscript from

L958[08:31:13] <gigaherz> and gradle wrapper ;p

L959[08:31:18] <tterrag> yeah, etc

L960[08:31:20] <AndersBillLind> Will it not let me run the project?

L961[08:31:24] <tterrag> but in the end it's not necessary at all

L962[08:31:31] <AndersBillLind> I have two launch configs in there for instance

L963[08:31:31] <gigaherz> AndersBillLind: the mdk is just a couple tools

L964[08:31:36] <AndersBillLind> ok?

L965[08:31:37] <tterrag> I do hope you've read http://mcforge.readthedocs.io/en/latest/gettingstarted/

L966[08:31:40] <gigaherz> you can do everything from scratch without ever using the mdk

L967[08:31:43] <gigaherz> and it would work just as well

L968[08:31:44] <diesieben07> mdk = example setup

L969[08:31:48] <AndersBillLind> oh

L970[08:31:51] <diesieben07> you can use it as a groundwork for your setup

L971[08:31:53] <diesieben07> or NOT use it.

L972[08:32:00] <gigaherz> you could use another gradle wrapper, or even just plain gradle

L973[08:32:03] <diesieben07> but dont do your own setup AND the mdk that makes no sense

L974[08:32:09] <gigaherz> you could write your build.gradle yourself instead of using the example one

L975[08:32:12] <gigaherz> and it would still work

L976[08:32:22] <AndersBillLind> I will try that

L977[08:32:36] <sham1> Hmm, I have to check what kind of USE flags are associated with systemd coz I really want GNOME3

L978[08:32:48] <tterrag> really, read the link I just posted

L979[08:32:58] <gigaherz> in fact, you only "need" 3 things from the mdk zip to get started: the "gradle" folder, the "build.gradle" file (which you will customize), and the"gradlew.bat" file (gradlew script in linux)

L980[08:33:09] <gigaherz> all the readmes and such are unnecessary

L981[08:33:38] <gigaherz> sham1: USE flags? you use gentoo? ;P

L982[08:33:46] <sham1> Yes

L983[08:33:46] <AndersBillLind> That page could be more clear what a "source distribution" from forges file site means

L984[08:34:24] <AndersBillLind> I have read the page numerous times, but accepted unclear things

L985[08:34:26] <sham1> I quite like Gentoo as a distro nowadays

L986[08:34:34] <gigaherz> AndersBillLind: it does

L987[08:34:37] <gigaherz> right after the period

L988[08:34:43] <gigaherz> Obtain a source distribution from forge’s files site. (Look for the Mdk file type, or Src in older 1.8/1.7 versions).

L989[08:34:53] <gigaherz> you should try to read to the end ;P

L990[08:35:13] <AndersBillLind> :)

L991[08:35:28] <AndersBillLind> What is "mdk file type"?

L992[08:35:42] * gigaherz facepalms

L993[08:35:56] <gigaherz> they mean the link that says "mdk" in the files page

L994[08:36:07] <AndersBillLind> Why did they have to write "file type"?

L995[08:36:15] <LatvianModder> you cant make a project without using gradle though, right?

L996[08:36:58] <gigaherz> no, but you can avoid all the mdk files

L997[08:37:09] <gigaherz> you can use a custom gradle installation

L998[08:37:16] <gigaherz> instead of the automatic one from the gradle wrapper

L999[08:37:26] <sham1> And make your own gradle script

L1000[08:37:27] <gigaherz> and you can write your own build.gradle file from scratch

L1001[08:37:35] <gigaherz> you'll still have to reference the forgegradle stuff

L1002[08:37:37] <gigaherz> if you want it to work

L1003[08:37:47] <gigaherz> so the build.gradle from the MDK is a good starting point

L1004[08:38:04] <gigaherz> and the gradle wrapper from the mdk is a good way to ensure that your gradle isn't too old

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L1006[08:40:29] <AndersBillLind> But only providing gradle without mdk would be a possibility then

L1007[08:40:52] <gigaherz> ofc

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L1009[08:41:01] <gigaherz> look at it this way

L1010[08:41:04] <AndersBillLind> Wonder why they had me downloading mdk

L1011[08:41:07] <gigaherz> you could call it a "getting-started.zip"

L1012[08:41:31] <gigaherz> it's there forconvenience, AndersBillLind

L1013[08:41:39] <gigaherz> so that you don't HAVE to download your own gradle

L1014[08:41:39] <AndersBillLind> ok

L1015[08:42:00] <AndersBillLind> That would be a complicated thing to do?

L1016[08:42:57] <AndersBillLind> Well, I have to leave, you can stop facepalming now :)

L1017[08:44:59] * sham1 facepalms

L1018[08:45:01] <AndersBillLind> Finishing by saying that I would prefer that smaller downloads and less resource consuming setup would make my 10 year old students happier

L1019[08:45:20] <AndersBillLind> Almost an english sentence, sorry :)

L1020[08:45:28] <AndersBillLind> -c+s

L1021[08:45:36] <gigaherz> yeah but it can't be avoided

L1022[08:45:45] <gigaherz> remember that the setup process HAS to download minecraft

L1023[08:45:46] <gigaherz> decompile it

L1024[08:45:48] <gigaherz> rename it

L1025[08:46:05] <gigaherz> and then configure everything so the IDE can reference the result as a library

L1026[08:47:03] <sham1> That's fun

L1027[08:47:14] <AndersBillLind> yeah, would be cool if I could copy the dcompiled result to them

L1028[08:47:26] <AndersBillLind> they have 32-bit machines that they got from school

L1029[08:47:51] <sham1> I think you can

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L1031[08:48:51] <Darkhax> You probably could find a wake to package the workspace, however there may be some issues with references to the downloaded libraries. They are stored in the user's .gradle directory. No easy way to do that without a custom installer.

L1032[08:49:07] <AndersBillLind> well, true

L1033[08:49:19] <diesieben07> you can change the .gradle location

L1034[08:49:22] <AndersBillLind> But when they have a working project, .gradle is not in use any longer, is it?

L1035[08:49:22] <diesieben07> and copy it over

L1036[08:49:29] <diesieben07> of course it is.

L1037[08:49:34] <AndersBillLind> Oh, true

L1038[08:49:36] <diesieben07> it holds all the libraries, including forge and minecraft

L1039[08:49:38] <AndersBillLind> Thats where minecraft is :)

L1040[08:49:45] <AndersBillLind> Sorry

L1041[08:49:48] <AndersBillLind> lol

L1042[08:51:07] <Darkhax> Well, if what diesieben07 said is true, then you could probably write a gradle build script that sets everything up in one location, and then just zip that file.

L1043[08:51:42] <AndersBillLind> I assume you decompile minecraft locally because of copyright reasons?

L1044[08:51:47] <gigaherz> yep

L1045[08:52:30] <AndersBillLind> It is so strange, because the information is the same

L1046[08:52:48] <diesieben07> well

L1047[08:52:58] <diesieben07> decompile means "download it from mojangs server, then do stuff to it"

L1048[08:53:09] <diesieben07> if forge were to host the source code that would be distribution of their property

L1049[08:53:34] <AndersBillLind> ok, laters, thanks for the help

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L1051[09:04:50] <tterrag> it's actually rather tricky to download a gradle wrapper. the way gradle says to get one is to just install gradle and then run the wrapper task

L1052[09:04:55] <tterrag> so the mdk is useful in taht respect

L1053[09:06:28] <LatvianModder> modmuss50: TechReborn crash - net.minecraftforge.fml.common.LoaderException: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: techreborn/tiles/generator/TileThermalGenerator

L1054[09:06:38] <LatvianModder> Should I put this in issues somewhere?

L1055[09:06:43] <modmuss50> Update reborn core and/or TechReborn

L1056[09:07:04] <modmuss50> are you on 1.9?

L1057[09:07:21] <LatvianModder> I installed recommended versions, 1.9

L1058[09:07:44] <LatvianModder> http://pastebin.com/frmM5qyj

L1059[09:08:18] <modmuss50> oh ok

L1060[09:08:21] <modmuss50> humm

L1061[09:08:46] <modmuss50> Exception in class transformer cubex2.cxlibrary.CoreModTransformer@5a6195b8 from coremod CXLibraryCore

L1062[09:08:51] <modmuss50> could be that

L1063[09:09:10] <diesieben07> that just looks like they are not guarding against null

L1064[09:09:20] <diesieben07> which is stupid, but its not their fault that the class is not there

L1065[09:09:39] <LatvianModder> ok, what the heck.. those mods just disappeared from my instance :D

L1066[09:10:49] <modmuss50> im not sure why it would cause that though

L1067[09:11:03] <LatvianModder> JVM Flags: 4 total; -XX:HeapDumpPath=MojangTricksIntelDriversForPerformance_javaw.exe_minecraft.exe.heapdump -Xmx2964m -Xms256m -XX:PermSize=256m

L1068[09:11:03] <LatvianModder> What. What. MojangTricksIntelDriversForPerformance

L1069[09:11:56] <LatvianModder> Anway, works perfectly fine without TechReborn.. Lemme install those again, and see if that works

L1070[09:11:59] <diesieben07> yeah no idea what that is about

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L1073[09:13:48] <modmuss50> I can test it later

L1074[09:13:52] <modmuss50> I am busy atm

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L1080[09:24:45] <vox> o/

L1081[09:28:12] <sham1> \o

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L1087[09:39:06] <Nitrodev> \o/

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L1100[10:05:26] <modmuss50> LatvianModder did you fix it or shall I take a look?

L1101[10:05:39] <LatvianModder> Nope, still didnt work

L1102[10:05:52] <modmuss50> ok I will take a look now

L1103[10:05:54] <LatvianModder> Also, your github doesnt have TechReborn repo, where is it?

L1104[10:06:53] <Prospector> hm?

L1105[10:06:53] <modmuss50> https://github.com/TechReborn/TechReborn

L1106[10:06:58] <LatvianModder> oh

L1107[10:07:10] <LatvianModder> i looked in modmuss :P

L1108[10:07:28] <modmuss50> Im going to try it out side of dev now

L1109[10:08:29] <LatvianModder> yeah, I always check in non-DevEnv before I upload to curse

L1110[10:09:06] <Prospector> nobody else seems to have that issue

L1111[10:09:18] <LatvianModder> weird

L1112[10:09:19] <modmuss50> someone did I think

L1113[10:09:44] <modmuss50> but its ok on btm

L1114[10:10:04] <modmuss50> it working fine with just TechReborn and RebornCore

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L1116[10:10:38] <LatvianModder> maybe something else from my modlist is causing problems

L1117[10:10:48] <Prospector> modmuss50 do you know if any mods use our api?

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L1119[10:11:05] <Prospector> they might be using an old version or something

L1120[10:12:08] <modmuss50> RebornCore-1.9-2.1 we have a 2.2

L1121[10:12:11] <modmuss50> update reborn core

L1122[10:12:42] <modmuss50> that would explain why it cannot find the class

L1123[10:12:58] <LatvianModder> Curse auto-installed that for me

L1124[10:13:05] <LatvianModder> lets see

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L1130[10:31:34] <Mimiru> RE: MojangTricksIntelDriversForPerformance https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/2zf2rg/i_was_looking_at_my_friends_minecraft_crash_dump/cpilu5g

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L1132[10:33:20] <diesieben07> wow...

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L1134[10:38:43] <DovahOfKiin> Anybody got a good custom fluid tutorial?

L1135[10:39:01] <DovahOfKiin> or a custom potion tutorial

L1136[10:41:09] <jamierocks> iirc there is a fluid tutorial on the wiki

L1137[10:41:17] <jamierocks> might be wrong and it may also well be out of date

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L1140[10:49:59] <DovahOfKiin> there is; but out of date

L1141[10:50:03] <DovahOfKiin> @ jamierocks

L1142[10:50:08] <DovahOfKiin> Jamie Lannister?

L1143[10:50:25] <jamierocks> I ain't 'Jamie Lannister' :P

L1144[10:50:57] <DovahOfKiin> Is your username related to him?

L1145[10:50:58] <DovahOfKiin> :p

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L1154[11:16:08] <zenith|away> So I have a block which doesn't want other blocks placed directly above it. Is there a simple way to do that?

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L1156[11:16:34] <iTitus> You can look at the cactus block

L1157[11:17:00] <gigaherz> zenith: handle onneighborblockchange

L1158[11:17:24] <gigaherz> in it you can just look on the block above, and destroy yourself

L1159[11:17:45] <zenith> Let me rephrase. my block's render extends into the block above it, but that part isn't 'solid' for purposes of the player/entities moving through, it just needs to not be placeable

L1160[11:17:48] <zenith> for other blocks

L1161[11:17:57] <fry> then do what door does

L1162[11:18:05] <fry> and actually consume 2 block spaces

L1163[11:18:06] <zenith> Door creates a second block

L1164[11:18:08] <unascribed> yeah... I keep saying this

L1165[11:18:13] <unascribed> the proper way to make a block that takes up multiple blocks

L1166[11:18:14] <gigaherz> place a second block

L1167[11:18:16] <unascribed> is to TAKE UP MULTIPLE BLOCKS

L1168[11:18:18] <unascribed> (wow, what a concept)

L1169[11:18:25] <gigaherz> even if you don't have a model in it

L1170[11:18:29] <gigaherz> but fill in the slot

L1171[11:18:50] <fry> blocks can allow entities to move through them completely unaffected

L1172[11:19:01] <fry> they don't have to be solid

L1173[11:19:06] <gigaherz> although for lighting purposes, it IS best to have the model split into a lower half and an upper half

L1174[11:19:14] <iTitus> you can for example return an empty bounding box for selection and collision

L1175[11:19:14] <fry> but if you want to prevent other blocks placed there - consume the space

L1176[11:19:46] <capitalthree> nah do what gigaherz said with onNeighborBlockChange, but instead of destroying itself, it should destroy the .mcr file it's in

L1177[11:20:02] <fry> and yes, lighting + culling won't work 100% correctly if you don't actually split the model

L1178[11:20:02] <heldplayer> lol

L1179[11:20:12] <zenith> I've started making a dummy block, I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a simpler way to do it.

L1180[11:20:18] <zenith> here's the block in question: https://gfycat.com/RemoteFatherlyDog

L1181[11:20:41] <unascribed> oh, you're the magical stick man

L1182[11:20:46] <zenith> Haha yep. That's me

L1183[11:20:47] <unascribed> nice you added particles

L1184[11:20:56] <gigaherz> eh I wouldn't worry about trying to not allow placing on top

L1185[11:21:01] <fry> ^

L1186[11:21:07] <gigaherz> if someone does

L1187[11:21:07] <unascribed> yeah, I'd suggest just cancelling operation and dropping the items if you do that

L1188[11:21:11] <gigaherz> it will be too awkward to use the machine

L1189[11:21:16] <gigaherz> so no one will place anything there

L1190[11:21:20] <capitalthree> any reason not to just be like a chest, and stop *functioning* if something's on top?

L1191[11:21:27] <fry> ^

L1192[11:21:34] <zenith> You can place on top from the side

L1193[11:21:43] <zenith> Which I suppose isn't the end of the world

L1194[11:22:18] <gigaherz> unascribed's idea is the best, IMO

L1195[11:22:31] <zenith> Actually, that's a creative way of turning it off'

L1196[11:22:36] <zenith> I dig it.

L1197[11:22:42] <gigaherz> if a solid block is placed on top

L1198[11:22:46] <gigaherz> spit the items all over the place

L1199[11:22:47] <zenith> I nearly XY'd myself

L1200[11:22:50] <unascribed> see, now you get cool piston reactions in return!

L1201[11:22:52] <unascribed> you didn't nearly

L1202[11:22:54] <unascribed> you *did*

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L1204[11:22:58] <unascribed> you sent a gfy for an unrelated reason

L1205[11:23:20] <unascribed> and I realized you were The All Powerful Stick Man, and everyone else realized your block didn't extend into the block above, its animated items did :P

L1206[11:23:21] <zenith> Well, I asked about a proposed solution, then filled in the reason later. Thus nearly

L1207[11:23:29] <fry> easiest way to solve the technical problem is to solve it at the design stage :P

L1208[11:23:53] <gigaherz> if the solution is ugly, try to find a different problem to solve

L1209[11:23:53] <gigaherz> ;P

L1210[11:23:56] <zenith> Haha

L1211[11:24:07] <sham1> ;P indeed

L1212[11:24:31] <sham1> 83/129 packages emerged

L1213[11:24:42] <sham1> Wow, migrating to GNOME is quite a task

L1214[11:24:57] <gigaherz> it's certainly entertaining

L1215[11:25:11] <gigaherz> specially ifyou start from source or even stage1/2

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L1217[11:25:33] <gigaherz> I wonder how long it takes now to setup a stage1 gentoo

L1218[11:25:37] <sham1> Well, this is already a usable installation that I just reconfigure into a systemd GNOME distro

L1219[11:25:42] <gigaherz> it was a few hours on my Pentium 3

L1220[11:25:57] <gigaherz> and by setup I mean

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L1223[11:26:10] <gigaherz> install the base system + X11 + kde

L1224[11:26:14] <sham1> From the openrc xfce installation

L1225[11:26:19] <gigaherz> although these days I'd probably go for xfce

L1226[11:26:34] <sham1> xfce is nice, but I also like some new scenery

L1227[11:26:38] <fry> awesome <3

L1228[11:26:51] <fry> big de </3

L1229[11:27:02] <sham1> Also I have to migrate into systemd one day so it might as well be today

L1230[11:27:20] <gigaherz> so you are not a systemd hater? ;P

L1231[11:27:33] <sham1> I don't like it

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L1233[11:27:38] <sham1> But it cannot be avoided

L1234[11:27:48] <gigaherz> what's your feeling on the drama around systemd allowing you to irrecoverably write to cmos and brick your motherboard?

L1235[11:28:00] <sham1> Wat

L1236[11:28:06] <sham1> I need to look this up

L1237[11:28:13] <gigaherz> systemd exposes the firmware as a device node

L1238[11:28:17] <gigaherz> in a writable way

L1239[11:28:25] <fry> systemd actually works, and has documentation, unlike pssshtaudio

L1240[11:28:25] <unascribed> and you can rm it, which breaks some faulty firmware

L1241[11:28:27] <sham1> That... is stupid

L1242[11:28:30] <unascribed> note *faulty*

L1243[11:28:39] <unascribed> EFI firmware that doesn't suck won't break

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L1245[11:28:45] <unascribed> but it will reset to defaults

L1246[11:28:46] <sham1> And yeah, systemd is much better than pulseaudio

L1247[11:28:49] <fry> protip: don't write to /dev/sda

L1248[11:28:56] <sham1> Yeah

L1249[11:28:58] <fry> another protip: don't do rm -rf

L1250[11:29:11] <sham1> I think it need --no-preserve-root

L1251[11:29:14] <fry> news flash: you can destroy your system if you do stupid stuff

L1252[11:29:15] <unascribed> nope

L1253[11:29:17] <unascribed> rm -rf /*

L1254[11:29:24] <sham1> Well

L1255[11:29:29] <gigaherz> I did a "sudo umount /" once

L1256[11:29:30] <gigaherz> it worked.

L1257[11:29:40] <gigaherz> it completely destroyed my HDD's contents

L1258[11:29:44] <unascribed> wat

L1259[11:29:48] <Nosirrom> I use rm -rf ./* because I'm a risk taker

L1260[11:29:51] <sham1> UNIX is not going to stop you from doing stupid stuff as it would limit the brilliant stuff

L1261[11:29:54] <gigaherz> this was 2002-2003 though

L1262[11:30:05] <unascribed> how does unmounting the root partition corrupt the disk

L1263[11:30:14] <gigaherz> no f*ing idea

L1264[11:30:26] <gigaherz> but right after I entered that command

L1265[11:30:38] <sham1> I actually use an compatibility layer so that any software that would need pulseaudio thinks I use that piece of shit

L1266[11:30:38] <gigaherz> the system log started filling with "inode error"

L1267[11:30:50] <sham1> Thank you shims

L1268[11:30:54] <unascribed> wtf filesystem were you running

L1269[11:31:01] <gigaherz> ext3, iirc

L1270[11:31:05] <gigaherz> with an ext2 /boot

L1271[11:31:12] <gigaherz> ext4 wasn't a thing

L1272[11:31:15] <unascribed> yeah

L1273[11:31:18] <unascribed> so then what the hell

L1274[11:31:21] <sham1> You just didn't fsck it hard enough

L1275[11:31:23] <gigaherz> and reiserfs was still in beta

L1276[11:31:26] <unascribed> you weren't running the experimental filesystem of the week

L1277[11:31:48] <gigaherz> but yeah, learned not to sudo things that sounds bad

L1278[11:31:49] <gigaherz> -s

L1279[11:32:21] <sham1> I hope you never do any curl ... | sudo sh

L1280[11:32:34] <unascribed> I have before

L1281[11:32:35] <unascribed> BUT

L1282[11:32:36] <sham1> One can do some malicious stuff with that

L1283[11:32:39] <unascribed> I read the script beforehand :D

L1284[11:32:42] <gigaherz> I did that recently

L1285[11:32:48] <gigaherz> in osx

L1286[11:32:51] <gigaherz> or more accurately

L1287[11:32:57] <gigaherz> curl | ruby

L1288[11:33:03] <sham1> You can change what kind of stuff comes out of your server depending on the user-agent

L1289[11:33:12] <gigaherz> to install that package manager thing

L1290[11:33:13] <sham1> So that is scary

L1291[11:33:23] <imidazole> hey guys. me and a few friends are launching a quadcopter with a raspberry pi running minecraft in a few hours. we will stream it and such. for now looking for people to join (creative mode) and add more content. we have some big sprawling cities and would love another building or two... room for community admins too, stream and link to follow! join the server: newest bldgs are @ 1500

L1292[11:33:23] <imidazole> / 100 / -100 - build what you want, make a home 65.50.122.253

L1293[11:33:40] <gigaherz> worst of all:

L1294[11:33:46] <gigaherz> it's the recommended setup instructions: http://brew.sh/

L1295[11:33:55] <gigaherz> Install Homebrew

L1296[11:33:55] <gigaherz> Paste that at a Terminal prompt.

L1297[11:33:58] <gigaherz> oops

L1298[11:34:03] <gigaherz> second line -- /usr/bin/ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install)"

L1299[11:34:31] <gigaherz> at least it's not sudo'd

L1300[11:34:53] <sham1> TLDL do not run scripts you do not trust

L1301[11:34:54] <sham1> And even those that you do trust unless you check them

L1302[11:36:12] <sham1> You need to install a package manager to install a package manager

L1303[11:36:24] <sham1> As if having to use nmp was not horrible enough

L1304[11:36:31] <sham1> npm*

L1305[11:36:48] <gigaherz> well their instructions at work were

L1306[11:36:50] <gigaherz> 1. isntall homebrew

L1307[11:37:00] <sham1> And even then the code probably requires left-pad

L1308[11:37:00] <gigaherz> 2. run "brew install <long chain of app names>"

L1309[11:37:11] <DovahOfKiin> Anybody got a good custom fluid tutorial? or a custom potion tutorial?

L1310[11:37:19] <sham1> The wiki has one

L1311[11:37:24] <sham1> For a fluid

L1312[11:37:27] <gigaherz> it installed even idea and virtualbox for me

L1313[11:37:33] <sham1> And you can also look at the code

L1314[11:37:35] <sham1> That works too

L1315[11:37:39] <gigaherz> and it didn't install oracle sdk because it's not available as a direct link

L1316[11:37:42] <gigaherz> (requires accepting license)

L1317[11:37:46] <sham1> Yeah

L1318[11:37:49] <DovahOfKiin> sham1, http://www.minecraftforge.net/wiki/Create_a_Fluid ?

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L1320[11:37:53] <sham1> Yes

L1321[11:38:09] <DovahOfKiin> how up-to-date is it for 1.9?

L1322[11:38:23] <imidazole> hey guys. me and a few friends are launching a quadcopter with a raspberry pi running minecraft in a few hours. we will stream it and such. for now looking for people to join (creative mode) and add more content. we have some big sprawling cities and would love another building or two... room for community admins too, stream and link to follow! join the server: newest bldgs are @ 1500

L1323[11:38:23] <imidazole> / 100 / -100 - build what you want, make a home 65.50.122.253

L1324[11:38:35] <gigaherz> DovahOfKiin: you should find a tutorial for 1.8+

L1325[11:38:36] <sham1> You cannot have your block textured with the instructions given in the wiki tutorial

L1326[11:38:40] <sham1> Let me see

L1327[11:38:53] <gigaherz> you need new stuff in order to setup the model and such

L1328[11:39:48] <DovahOfKiin> gigaherz, I looked, couldn't find any :/

L1329[11:39:53] <DovahOfKiin> as in specific tuts

L1330[11:39:54] <sham1> https://github.com/RainWarrior/MinecraftForge/blob/model-fluid2/src/test/java/net/minecraftforge/debug/ModelFluidDebug.java

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L1332[11:40:07] <sham1> https://github.com/RainWarrior/MinecraftForge/blob/model-fluid2/src/test/resources/assets/forgedebugmodelfluid/blockstates/TestFluidBlock.json

L1333[11:40:09] <sham1> Therfe

L1334[11:40:30] <gigaherz> there's a couple vids in the google results

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L1336[11:40:43] <gigaherz> they seem to be in like, .nl or .se or .de

L1337[11:40:55] <gigaherz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjchNO_Jmow

L1338[11:40:56] <gigaherz> whatever this is

L1339[11:41:07] <diesieben07> .de

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L1341[11:41:16] <sham1> Yeah

L1342[11:41:35] <sham1> That does indeed sound Deutsch

L1343[11:42:43] <DovahOfKiin> ;_;

L1344[11:42:50] <Hunterz> does tabula mod export into json? or what editor for 1.8+ blocks are recommended?

L1345[11:42:58] <sham1> Did you look at the links I sent you DovahOfKiin

L1346[11:43:09] <DovahOfKiin> sham1, yeah taking a look at them

L1347[11:43:12] <gigaherz> Hunterz: yes, tabula exports to 1.8 jsons

L1348[11:43:18] <gigaherz> so does MrCrayfish's

L1349[11:43:23] <imidazole> hey guys. me and a few friends are launching a quadcopter with a raspberry pi running minecraft in a few hours. we will stream it and such. for now looking for people to join (creative mode) and add more content. we have some big sprawling cities and would love another building or two... room for community admins too, stream and link to follow! join the server: newest bldgs are @ 1500

L1350[11:43:23] <imidazole> / 100 / -100 - build what you want, make a home 65.50.122.253

L1351[11:43:29] <sham1> imidazole, please do not spam

L1352[11:43:34] <Hunterz> great, thanks

L1353[11:44:25] <fry> sham1: why do you link some random old branch instead of the master? :P

L1354[11:44:38] <sham1> Because

L1355[11:44:55] <sham1> And that is my reasoning

L1356[11:45:53] <sham1> That old branch is relatively not full of stuff

L1357[11:45:54] <DovahOfKiin> I can't wait, there aren't any got eps to watch

L1358[11:45:58] <DovahOfKiin> ;-;

L1359[11:46:02] <sham1> What eps

L1360[11:46:33] <DovahOfKiin> episodes

L1361[11:47:03] <DovahOfKiin> I wish HBO followed the Netflix binge format

L1362[11:47:07] <unascribed> I decided to make a page showing the dangers of curl|sh: http://unascribed.com/somecoolproject.sh

L1363[11:47:16] <DovahOfKiin> all episodes uploaded at once

L1364[11:48:23] <imidazole> hey guys. me and a few friends are launching a quadcopter with a raspberry pi running minecraft in a few hours. we will stream it and such. for now looking for people to join (creative mode) and add more content. we have some big sprawling cities and would love another building or two... room for community admins too, stream and link to follow! join the server: newest bldgs are @ 1500

L1365[11:48:23] <imidazole> / 100 / -100 - build what you want, make a home 65.50.122.253

L1366[11:48:29] <unascribed> imidazole, two things:

L1367[11:48:34] <unascribed> 1. you are spamming, we do not appreciate that

L1368[11:48:37] <unascribed> 2. we are modders, not builders

L1369[11:48:46] <unascribed> we saw it the first time

L1370[11:48:58] <sham1> Those are not mutually exclusive attributes though

L1371[11:49:04] <sham1> But yeah, no need to spam

L1372[11:49:05] <unascribed> I didn't say they were

L1373[11:49:08] <unascribed> but this isn't #minecraftbuilders

L1374[11:49:12] <unascribed> this is #minecraftforge

L1375[11:49:21] <sham1> But you use forges to build stuff /s

L1376[11:49:52] <DovahOfKiin> You want me to walk you out of the door, or you gonna do it yourself? :P

L1377[11:50:05] <DovahOfKiin> Wuppy,

L1378[11:50:08] <unascribed> so does nobody care about my curl|sh demonstration? :(

L1379[11:50:19] <sham1> I did look at it

L1380[11:50:21] <DovahOfKiin> are you up to date with S06E03 of GoT

L1381[11:50:28] <DovahOfKiin> Idk what curl even is

L1382[11:50:38] <sham1> You probably would want for the instructions to be curl -s unascribed.com/somecoolproject.sh | sudo bash

L1383[11:50:38] <unascribed> try actually 'curl'ing it

L1384[11:50:44] <sham1> Yeah

L1385[11:50:45] <sham1> I did

L1386[11:50:55] <unascribed> without -s the progress goes to stderr

L1387[11:50:59] <unascribed> so it doesn't matter that much

L1388[11:51:06] <sham1> yeah

L1389[11:51:57] <sham1> Also, usually people say to use sh because it symlinks to your default shell

L1390[11:52:14] <sham1> Which is usually either BASH, ZSH or CSH/TCSH

L1391[11:52:24] <unascribed> yeah, I already fixed that

L1392[11:53:20] <sham1> My file manager has already been replaced by the GNOME Files

L1393[11:53:23] <imidazole> hey guys. me and a few friends are launching a quadcopter with a raspberry pi running minecraft in a few hours. we will stream it and such. for now looking for people to join (creative mode) and add more content. we have some big sprawling cities and would love another building or two... room for community admins too, stream and link to follow! join the server: newest bldgs are @ 1500

L1394[11:53:23] <imidazole> / 100 / -100 - build what you want, make a home 65.50.122.253

L1395[11:53:28] <sham1> Oh ffs

L1396[11:53:31] <sham1> Fry pls

L1397[11:53:35] <DovahOfKiin> He won't stop will he

L1398[11:53:43] *** imidazole was kicked by fry (imidazole))

L1399[11:53:48] <DovahOfKiin> ty

L1400[11:53:56] <sham1> Justice has been served

L1401[11:53:56] <Nosirrom> \o/

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L1403[11:55:29] <unascribed> I'm going to link that from now on whenever people talk about curl|sh :P

L1404[11:56:02] <sham1> :P

L1405[11:56:14] <zenith> unascribed: Now it does this, which I'm most pleased with: https://gfycat.com/AmazingTastyFinch

L1406[11:56:39] <unascribed> 10/10

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L1408[11:56:40] <sham1> That looks really cool

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L1410[11:56:49] <unascribed> congrats, your stick machine is now automatable

L1411[11:56:56] <unascribed> but in a roundabout way, none of those damn hoppers

L1412[11:57:14] <diesieben07> pipe automation is boring

L1413[11:57:22] <fry> heh, can place hoppers all around to catch the stuff :P

L1414[11:57:34] <diesieben07> 20 CC turtles moving around, thats nice

L1415[11:57:37] <unascribed> yeah, but you don't just pull the saplings out of it with a hopper

L1416[11:57:40] <zenith> I need to get my normals right :/

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L1418[11:57:46] <unascribed> pfft, normals

L1419[11:57:56] <sham1> But I were to use CC turtles, that would mean I would have to use LUA

L1420[11:58:01] <unascribed> Lua*

L1421[11:58:09] <diesieben07> what language do you prefer? :D

L1422[11:58:16] <unascribed> someone should make a turtle addon for TIS-3D

L1423[11:58:43] <sham1> I would really like if someone made a Scheme interpreter for CC

L1424[11:59:18] <unascribed> I wonder what the response to a JS computer mod would be

L1425[11:59:23] <sham1> Hell, I'd like to see an attempt at an ECMAScript interpreter

L1426[11:59:35] <gigaherz> make some "drone" machine that gets programmed in fuzzy prolog

L1427[11:59:35] <capitalthree> hopperducts :D

L1428[11:59:46] <unascribed> or

L1429[11:59:47] <sham1> PROLOG

L1430[11:59:48] <sham1> :P

L1431[11:59:52] <diesieben07> lol prolog

L1432[11:59:55] <unascribed> make a computer mod that's so OP that it can do anything, including summon items

L1433[11:59:55] <unascribed> but

L1434[11:59:57] <sham1> Gib FORTRAN

L1435[11:59:58] <unascribed> it has to be coded in Haskell

L1436[12:00:02] <zenith> unascribed: I would love a JS computer

L1437[12:00:09] <sham1> unascribed, that would be fun

L1438[12:00:10] <gigaherz> well it's AI

L1439[12:00:11] <unascribed> zenith, too bad, you get a TypeScript computer

L1440[12:00:15] <gigaherz> what best for AI than a logic language? ;P

L1441[12:00:16] <zenith> I write JS for a living.

L1442[12:00:23] <zenith> I mean, TypeScript is cool too

L1443[12:00:27] <unascribed> if I do make a JS computer mod

L1444[12:00:30] <unascribed> it's going to be TS.

L1445[12:00:38] <sham1> A computer mod that uses Haskell would be pretty cool

L1446[12:00:40] <unascribed> most JS is valid TS either way

L1447[12:00:43] <zenith> But I think that would be more difficult to implement. Because you'd have to preprocess the TS

L1448[12:00:54] <unascribed> well

L1449[12:00:58] <DovahOfKiin> you guys sound really cool.. I'm a 15 year old who wants to grow up and be a programmer

L1450[12:01:00] <unascribed> the typescript compiler is written in JS

L1451[12:01:05] <unascribed> I can run that on Nashorn

L1452[12:01:12] <zenith> Whereas you could just use something like rhino and run it straight away

L1453[12:01:13] <unascribed> and then I can run the compiler output on... Nashorn

L1454[12:01:30] <zenith> true

L1455[12:01:47] <sham1> DovahOfKiin, you'll get there eventually if you are determined enough

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L1457[12:01:57] <DovahOfKiin> hopefully

L1458[12:02:17] <zenith> DovahOfKiin: I started out as a 12 year old who wanted to grow up and be a programmer.

L1459[12:02:23] <DovahOfKiin> :D

L1460[12:02:25] <sham1> I started out when I was 9

L1461[12:02:27] <zenith> Now I'm a 31 year old who grew up and became a programmer

L1462[12:02:38] <zenith> Dreams really can come true :D

L1463[12:02:42] <sham1> Ye

L1464[12:02:49] <sham1> As certain person said

L1465[12:02:52] <sham1> "NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE"

L1466[12:03:12] <DovahOfKiin> "JUST DO IT"

L1467[12:03:22] <sham1> Indeed

L1468[12:03:23] <unascribed> I will continue to link this whenever someone mentions trying to learn something: https://eev.ee/blog/2016/05/06/learning-to-draw-learning-to-learn/

L1469[12:04:12] <Nosirrom> "things are made out of shapes"

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L1471[12:04:24] <sham1> Trying to get into programming is just like trying to learn an instrument or getting into sports

L1472[12:04:34] <sham1> You just need to be dedicated enough

L1473[12:04:36] <iTitus> "And a happy little tree over here"

L1474[12:04:58] <diesieben07> haha bob ross

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L1476[12:05:21] <sham1> Bob Ross is one of the most pleasant people I have ever seen

L1477[12:05:26] <sham1> person even

L1478[12:05:57] <diesieben07> wow... opened a random video of his, skip to random time

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L1480[12:06:05] <diesieben07> first thing he says "happy little cloud"

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L1482[12:06:19] <sham1> :P

L1483[12:07:42] <PaleoCrafter> aw crap, his twitch channel is offline xD

L1484[12:07:46] <fry> http://front.dadaviz.com/media/cache/68/b6/68b6d9eeadcd3ec27ecd96fca90ceae8.jpg :D

L1485[12:08:31] <sham1> Well nature is one of the most beautiful things to paint

L1486[12:08:52] <fry> everything is beautiful if you look hard enough :P

L1487[12:09:00] <sham1> Yeah

L1488[12:09:13] <sham1> To me, the MOST beautiful piece of nature is space

L1489[12:09:20] <sham1> Especially nebulae

L1490[12:09:53] <gigaherz> yo ucan't really "paint" nebulae, though

L1491[12:10:01] <gigaherz> well i suppose someone could, if they really want to

L1492[12:10:10] <gigaherz> but those are most awesome when computer-generated

L1493[12:10:32] <PaleoCrafter> or just looked at through some telescope? :P

L1494[12:10:36] <sham1> Yeh

L1495[12:10:36] <fry> you can paint anything :P

L1496[12:10:47] <sham1> The Hubble Space Telescope

L1497[12:11:02] <unascribed> the ross space paintbrush

L1498[12:11:29] <gigaherz> not bad

L1499[12:11:29] <gigaherz> http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/carina-nebula-marie-green.jpg

L1500[12:12:43] <sham1> I find it very novel that so beautiful structures as nebulae can be born out of so violent things as supernovae

L1501[12:13:00] <gigaherz> well this isn't what I was expecting...

L1502[12:13:04] <gigaherz> nsfw-ish: http://www.touchofart.eu/galeria/Tomasz_Alen_Kopera/NEBULASANCTIS_tal8-v.jpg

L1503[12:13:21] <heldplayer> omg you can see a nipple ban!

L1504[12:13:21] <Nosirrom> I feel like that's not a natural nebula

L1505[12:13:31] <unascribed> ban

L1506[12:13:32] <unascribed> ban

L1507[12:13:33] <unascribed> ban

L1508[12:13:43] <fry> alright

L1509[12:13:44] <unascribed> it is natural, just in a different way :P

L1510[12:13:47] * fry bans unascribed

L1511[12:13:48] <heldplayer> *unascribed gets banned for spamming*

L1512[12:13:52] <sham1> :P

L1513[12:13:54] <fry> :P

L1514[12:13:57] <heldplayer> :P

L1515[12:14:00] <sham1> ;P

L1516[12:14:08] <gigaherz> ban bans!

L1517[12:14:12] <unascribed> I'm so used to saying "ban" multiple times from an inside joke on my server network

L1518[12:14:16] <unascribed> I forget it's not a thing elsewhere :P

L1519[12:14:20] <fry> /ban #minecraftforge

L1520[12:14:51] <heldplayer> Perfect solution

L1521[12:14:53] <zenith> unascribed: that's a great link

L1522[12:15:03] <unascribed> everything eevee posts is great

L1523[12:15:09] <unascribed> go read like all of it when you have time :P

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L1528[12:20:25] <sham1> 127/129 packages emerged

L1529[12:20:34] <sham1> And now it is updating libreoffice

L1530[12:20:35] <sham1> Oh joy

L1531[12:22:37] <fry> protip: if you want to learn how to draw, and learn fast - get this book: http://www.amazon.com/Drawing-Right-Side-Brain-Definitive/dp/1585429201

L1532[12:23:32] <PaleoCrafter> no PDF? :P

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L1534[12:23:50] <fry> no legally available one

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L1537[12:25:10] <gigaherz> does it not bother anyone else that the eyes in the cover are pointing in different directions?

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L1539[12:25:43] <fry> Leonardo da Vinci, "Study for the Head of a Girl"

L1540[12:25:52] <fry> nobody's perfect :P

L1541[12:26:18] <sham1> Darn it da Vinci

L1542[12:26:27] <fry> and everyone went through the learning process :P

L1543[12:27:23] <zenith> Nobody was ever born being awesome at everything

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L1545[12:27:41] <sham1> ya

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L1548[12:30:02] <Nosirrom> so I didn't know that rotating around the Y axis changes where the X axis rotation takes place.

L1549[12:31:05] <Nosirrom> I can do both rotations independently but when doing both of them the model is at a weird angle

L1550[12:31:43] <fry> you may want to look up euler angles :P

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L1552[12:32:49] <Nosirrom> oh god more math

L1553[12:32:58] <AndersBillLind> A bit impressed by furnituremod

L1554[12:33:06] <fry> surprize, the world is made of math :P

L1555[12:33:33] <heldplayer> Psst fry, help me with a school assignment

L1556[12:34:02] <fry> lrn btter

L1557[12:34:25] <heldplayer> It's literally "do these transformations" and I'm doing them, and it ain't working

L1558[12:34:38] <fry> http://www.wolframalpha.com/

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L1560[12:35:10] <heldplayer> Don't think WA can help me as it's graphics related :p

L1561[12:35:21] <unascribed> WA does graphics

L1562[12:35:26] <unascribed> sort of

L1563[12:35:31] <fry> then it's not literally "do these transformations" :P

L1564[12:35:42] <heldplayer> The rendering works fine!

L1565[12:35:48] <fry> does it?

L1566[12:35:53] <fry> how do you know? :D

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L1568[12:36:21] <heldplayer> Because it worked fine before this assignment, and I didn't change rendering for it :p

L1569[12:36:36] <heldplayer> It basically is maths

L1570[12:36:52] <heldplayer> Only thing that doesn't work quite as nicely is shadows

L1571[12:36:56] <AndersBillLind> hehe, I could destroy the stereo in furniture mod and still hear it playing

L1572[12:37:48] <heldplayer> Oh wait

L1573[12:37:49] <heldplayer> I see

L1574[12:37:55] <heldplayer> I'm doing my rotations in the wrong order

L1575[12:38:00] <sham1> :P

L1576[12:39:46] <heldplayer> Well now it looks.. better

L1577[12:40:48] <heldplayer> http://i.imgur.com/G6FPkQe.png

L1578[12:41:14] <heldplayer> Somehow I feel like the connections are connecting to the wrong sphere

L1579[12:41:52] <heldplayer> Or rotation is still wrong

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L1591[13:05:55] <Zaggy1024> I wonder how hard it would be to put vertices in two buffers at once...

L1592[13:06:15] <gigaherz> ?

L1593[13:06:19] <gigaherz> wat for?

L1594[13:06:31] <Zaggy1024> so I don't have to loop multiple times :P

L1595[13:06:43] <Zaggy1024> it's probably not really worth it to do that, but hey, it's a fun thought

L1596[13:06:53] <Zaggy1024> and certainly more convenient if it's easily possible

L1597[13:09:03] <fry> "put vertices in two buffers at once" - wat

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L1599[13:11:59] <LatvianModder> only if Block had getUnlocalizedName(IBlockState state) or at least getUnlocalizedName(int metadata) :/

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L1602[13:13:23] <imidazole> hey guys. me and a few friends are launching a quadcopter with a raspberry pi running minecraft in a few hours. we will stream it and such. for now looking for people to join (creative mode) and add more content. we have some big sprawling cities and would love another building or two... room for community admins too, stream and link to follow! join the server: newest bldgs are @ 1500

L1603[13:13:23] <imidazole> / 100 / -100 - build what you want, make a home 65.50.122.253

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L1605[13:13:47] <LatvianModder> lol

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L1608[13:14:58] <Gil> diesieben07: you don't happen to be online? I'm trying to get into asm and I know you have some experience there

L1609[13:16:06] <unascribed> why are you trying to ASM something

L1610[13:16:12] <unascribed> it's almost guaranteed there's a better way

L1611[13:16:49] <Gil> I'm trying to write a MineTweaker or ModTweaker addon for a mod that's not mine

L1612[13:17:05] <Gil> and it uses strong typing with interfaces instead of a registry

L1613[13:17:29] <unascribed> "strong typing with interfaces" ?

L1614[13:17:35] <Gil> so if I want to add other mod's items to its system, I need to inject an interface and implementation into that class

L1615[13:17:52] <unascribed> oh, so you're using ASM for code gen, not modifying existing code?

L1616[13:17:57] <Gil> nope

L1617[13:18:09] <Gil> I'm using ASM to add an interface to a class that doesn't have it

L1618[13:18:37] <unascribed> is there any reason you can't share a single interface and impl between everything

L1619[13:18:44] <unascribed> and just delegate methods

L1620[13:18:56] <Gil> yes, neither the mods are mine and a PR being accepted is doubtful

L1621[13:19:08] <unascribed> ...

L1622[13:19:12] <Gil> I do have a system ready where I'd be able to do the project using elaborate forks and git techniques

L1623[13:19:13] <unascribed> I mean in your ModTweaker addon

L1624[13:19:17] <LatvianModder> Maybe Jared|Away can help when he gets back

L1625[13:19:30] <Gil> no, that won't work

L1626[13:20:24] <Gil> unascribed: let me quickly lay out the situation

L1627[13:20:26] <gigaherz> Gil: and the mod isn't opensource I suppose?

L1628[13:20:41] <Gil> it is gigaherz, so a git solution with rebasing is an option

L1629[13:20:48] <gigaherz> wait you mentioned Pr

L1630[13:20:49] <Gil> a PR being accepted is highly unlikely though

L1631[13:20:51] <gigaherz> yeah

L1632[13:20:55] <gigaherz> so I'd just fork the heck out of it ;P

L1633[13:21:07] <gigaherz> usethe tweakable version in your packs

L1634[13:21:10] <Gil> yeah, and keep the commits surgical and rebase every time the mod updates

L1635[13:21:14] <gigaherz> proper credit, ofc

L1636[13:21:19] <Gil> should be possible yeah

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L1638[13:21:30] <Rasmusolle> http://tinyurl.com/jfcurn5

L1639[13:21:36] <Gil> but an asm solution would be infinitely more useful, so it's worth looking into

L1640[13:22:59] <Gil> the "mother mod" does "if (item instanceof ISizeable)"

L1641[13:23:34] <Gil> and for every mod that I want to integrate with that, every item in that mod needs to have that interface

L1642[13:24:42] <diesieben07> I am here now.

L1643[13:25:01] * heldplayer moves diesieben07 over there

L1644[13:25:03] <heldplayer> Now you're there

L1645[13:25:15] <LatvianModder> fry: you should probably ban Rasmusolle, spammer

L1646[13:25:17] <Gil> diesieben07: first off, core mods in 1.9, still a thing?

L1647[13:25:19] * diesieben07 dances back to here to the sound of parov stelar

L1648[13:25:23] <diesieben07> of course.

L1649[13:25:30] <Gil> major changes?

L1650[13:25:34] <diesieben07> no.

L1651[13:25:40] <unascribed> I don't think ASM has changed for a *long* time.

L1652[13:25:43] <diesieben07> so you want to add an interface to a class, yes?

L1653[13:25:47] <Gil> yup

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L1655[13:26:00] <diesieben07> write a ClassVisitor

L1656[13:26:00] <Gil> and an implementation of that interface that's pretty rigid

L1657[13:26:13] <diesieben07> override visit

L1658[13:26:14] <Gil> like, not too many moving parts

L1659[13:26:19] <diesieben07> add your interface to the interface list

L1660[13:26:20] <diesieben07> done.

L1661[13:26:32] <diesieben07> then use default methods in the interface to provide the implementation

L1662[13:26:44] <Gil> k, so sounds plausible

L1663[13:26:53] <Gil> I can copy a method from another class I take it?

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L1665[13:27:06] <Gil> so I make a class which has all of the implementations and copy that in?

L1666[13:27:13] <diesieben07> do that in the interface

L1667[13:27:19] <diesieben07> you do not modify the target class AT ALL

L1668[13:27:23] <diesieben07> except for adding the interface entry

L1669[13:27:32] <Gil> oh you can do it in the interface?

L1670[13:27:44] <diesieben07> https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/IandI/defaultmethods.html

L1671[13:27:51] <Gil> cool, thanks

L1672[13:28:25] <Gil> interesting, very interesting

L1673[13:28:54] <Gil> I'd be core modding other mods, load order issues or not?

L1674[13:29:09] <Gil> not sure how classpath loading works entirely

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L1676[13:29:24] <diesieben07> coremods load before any other mods

L1677[13:29:37] <Gil> are the classes of those mods already in the path though?

L1678[13:29:42] <diesieben07> No

L1679[13:29:46] <DovahOfKiin> Can someone explain to me what ModelBakery and ModelLoader are?

L1680[13:29:46] <diesieben07> and you do not have to care.

L1681[13:29:59] <Gil> so coremod altering a mod class is impossible?

L1682[13:30:00] <diesieben07> your transformer will be called when the mod classes are to be loaded

L1683[13:30:04] <Gil> ah, k

L1684[13:30:09] <Gil> that makes sense

L1685[13:30:32] <Gil> I think that covers it, thanks

L1686[13:31:08] <DovahOfKiin> apparently I am to use them in fluids..?

L1687[13:31:30] <Gil> is there a sample project somewhere that has good coding standards, so I do things sanely in terms of basic setup?

L1688[13:32:10] <DovahOfKiin> MBE?

L1689[13:32:25] <diesieben07> this is what I do: https://git.io/vrGW2

L1690[13:32:30] <DovahOfKiin> I'd say MBE is pretty good, I've been using it pretty often

L1691[13:32:34] <diesieben07> and a transformer that merely adds an interface: https://git.io/vrGWr

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L1693[13:32:48] <Gil> you're the champ, thanks

L1694[13:32:55] <Gil> off to test the hypothesis

L1695[13:32:57] <DovahOfKiin> actually I don't remember if MBE has a sample proj

L1696[13:33:12] <DovahOfKiin> diesieben07, any idea about my question?

L1697[13:33:45] <TheClaus> I am trying to make an item that when it loses all its durability instead of breaking it just shows the item with 0 durability. I created a 2nd item that is the broken version of the item but confused with how to use the PlayerDestroyItemEvent. Using 1.9. I looked for some examples and couldn't find any.

L1698[13:33:46] <diesieben07> ModelBakery is vanilla's model loader

L1699[13:33:53] <diesieben07> ModelLoader is... well a ModelLoader

L1700[13:33:55] <diesieben07> it loads models.

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L1702[13:35:21] <DovahOfKiin> why is it called bakery :P

L1703[13:35:50] <diesieben07> because it bakes (=optimizes, makes immutable, etc.) models

L1704[13:36:04] <DovahOfKiin> i see

L1705[13:36:07] <diesieben07> there are two stages an abstract defintion of the model (=IModel) and its baked form (IBakedModel)

L1706[13:36:18] <diesieben07> IBakedModel is a compact representation of the model that can be rendered

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L1708[13:37:19] <gigaherz> you know what's missing?

L1709[13:37:29] <gigaherz> an IGpuModel, that holds VBOs and such, for item rendering

L1710[13:40:35] <masa> what would be the best way of knowing if the left mouse button is down, inside a MouseInputEvent? the keyBidnAttack.isKeyDown() method always returns false, I guess the mouse buttons won't get ticked while there is a GuiSCreen open...?

L1711[13:41:10] <PaleoCrafter> do you only want the left mouse button or whatever that binding is bound to?

L1712[13:42:46] <DovahOfKiin> Are there really no tutorials on fluids/custom potions? I find github examples tough to comprehend because different people do it in different ways, but a (good) tutorial shows the basics and then leaves the rest to you

L1713[13:43:27] <gigaherz> DovahOfKiin: never did fluids nor potions but

L1714[13:43:28] <masa> hmm, well does changing that keybind change what is used to move items, that is what I'm interested in

L1715[13:43:36] <gigaherz> for potions, 1.9 has the potion registry stuff

L1716[13:44:15] <gigaherz> thePotion = new PotionX().setRegistryName("X"); GameRegistry.register(thePotion);

L1717[13:44:34] <masa> nope doesn't seem to change the inventory clicking

L1718[13:44:54] <masa> so I guess I'm only interested in the left mouse button then

L1719[13:45:13] <DovahOfKiin> gigaherz, but how do I set up what exactly what happens when the potion is drunk?

L1720[13:45:46] <gigaherz> override performEffect on the potion?

L1721[13:46:26] <DovahOfKiin> ahh kk

L1722[13:46:54] <masa> basically the issue is that I'm tracking the left mouse button's state inside the MouseInputEvent, but if the player closes the inventory while holding the left mouse button down, then the state will get stuck to "true" and that will persist until they left click inside a GUI the next time

L1723[13:47:07] <diesieben07> masa, make a static field, keep it updated using MouseInputEvent: if (Mouse.getEventButton() == 0) { leftBtnState = Mouse.getEventButtonState(); }

L1724[13:47:21] <masa> I fixed it by reseting the state in a GuiOpenEvent, but that seems rather ugly

L1725[13:47:29] <diesieben07> and do that in both MouseInputEvents and

L1726[13:47:36] <diesieben07> -and

L1727[13:47:58] <diesieben07> actually for one of those you need MouseInputEvent.Pre

L1728[13:48:02] <PaleoCrafter> what aobut Mouse.isButtonDown(0)? :P

L1729[13:48:03] <DovahOfKiin> gigaherz, anything on fluids?

L1730[13:48:23] <diesieben07> ew :P

L1731[13:48:25] <gigaherz> nope

L1732[13:48:29] <gigaherz> there's an example fluid

L1733[13:48:30] <diesieben07> although actually that might work

L1734[13:48:35] <gigaherz> in the forge debug/test files

L1735[13:48:37] <diesieben07> or might be fine in this case

L1736[13:48:42] <PaleoCrafter> if you just need to query the current status, nothing wrong with it :P

L1737[13:48:52] <PaleoCrafter> the events are more for actual up/down

L1738[13:48:54] <masa> diesieben07: https://github.com/maruohon/itemscroller/blob/master/src/main/java/fi/dy/masa/itemscroller/event/InputEventHandler.java#L73-L80

L1739[13:48:55] <diesieben07> yeah

L1740[13:48:59] <masa> that's what I have atm

L1741[13:49:12] <diesieben07> where is that called?

L1742[13:49:14] <masa> and that gets stuck if the gui is closed while the button is held down

L1743[13:49:25] <masa> MouseInputEvent.Pre

L1744[13:49:34] <diesieben07> ah

L1745[13:50:38] <diesieben07> yeah just use isButtonDown

L1746[13:52:32] <masa> okay that seems to work, thanks

L1747[13:53:11] <diesieben07> like paleo said, unless you are using it for continous polling and need to grab every event those methods are fine

L1748[13:54:56] <masa> I just need to see if the left button is down to know if I should do stuff

L1749[13:55:34] <masa> so that works just fine

L1750[13:56:02] <diesieben07> yep

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L1752[13:59:32] <masa> I now though of another nifty feature I can add to this at the same time :p

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L1755[14:08:11] <masa> although implementing that will be a bit painful, ugh

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L1762[14:28:08] <masa> ooh it is beautiful... :p

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L1764[14:38:55] <ThomasRules> i'm having a problem where the game is giving me a null block for my mod

L1765[14:39:10] <LexDesktop> !gf func_186355_l

L1766[14:39:13] <LexDesktop> !gm func_186355_l

L1767[14:39:15] <TehNut> A null block?

L1768[14:39:31] <LexDesktop> !gf field_186360_k

L1769[14:39:35] <ThomasRules> i think im registering them right

L1770[14:39:43] <ThomasRules> lex, what?

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L1772[14:40:09] <TehNut> What he's doing has nothing to do with you

L1773[14:40:14] <ThomasRules> kk

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L1775[14:41:06] <tterrag> post code

L1776[14:41:10] <diesieben07> please clarify what you mean by "giving me null block" and that ^

L1777[14:41:14] <tterrag> 10 bucks says you forgot to register your itemblock

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L1780[14:43:28] <ThomasRules> pretty sure i have

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L1783[14:44:00] <iTitus> So you did GameRegistry.register() with the block

L1784[14:44:12] <iTitus> And GameRegistry.register() for your itemblock

L1785[14:44:18] <iTitus> both set with regisrty names?

L1786[14:44:20] <ThomasRules> GameRegistry.registerBlock()

L1787[14:44:23] <ThomasRules> im on 1.7

L1788[14:44:26] <iTitus> Ah

L1789[14:45:02] <iTitus> Disclaimer: 1.7 is an old version, please develop on 1.9 instead :P

L1790[14:45:21] <ThomasRules> im trying to make a thing for dire's wrenched map

L1791[14:45:26] <ThomasRules> auto item generator

L1792[14:45:31] <ThomasRules> thats on 1.7

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L1795[14:45:56] <MoxieGrrl_> Er. Were you told to?

L1796[14:46:02] <ThomasRules> no

L1797[14:46:12] <ThomasRules> just want to do it for a series of my own

L1798[14:46:20] <iTitus> Well all i can say now is post code )

L1799[14:46:36] <ThomasRules> https://github.com/ThomasRules2000/WrenchedSelector

L1800[14:46:39] <ThomasRules> thats the repo

L1801[14:46:42] <ThomasRules> gits being slow

L1802[14:47:00] <ThomasRules> 15KiB/s

L1803[14:47:21] <ThomasRules> its at 61%

L1804[14:47:25] <ThomasRules> 67 now

L1805[14:47:30] <ThomasRules> donw

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L1807[14:48:52] <sham1> hmm

L1808[14:49:11] <sham1> Now installing GNOME for reals and it is going more swiftly than I thought it would

L1809[14:49:35] <diesieben07> ThomasRules, again, what do you mean by "giving me null"?

L1810[14:49:58] <diesieben07> also, please remove this crap: https://git.io/vrGBI

L1811[14:50:24] <ThomasRules> i borrowed it of pahimar

L1812[14:50:29] <diesieben07> i know

L1813[14:50:29] <ThomasRules> letsmodreboot

L1814[14:50:30] <iTitus> That's from Pahimars tutorial, isn't it

L1815[14:50:32] <iTitus> yeah

L1816[14:50:35] <diesieben07> does not make it any less crap

L1817[14:50:42] <MoxieGrrl_> I'm just trying to figure out why he's doing this when it's likely to be done before the map is released anyway. xD

L1818[14:51:38] <sham1> someone has to yell at pahi for encouraging substring naming

L1819[14:51:52] <ThomasRules> http://puu.sh/oT3BJ/0e2ed42d65.png

L1820[14:51:58] <diesieben07> we did

L1821[14:51:58] <ThomasRules> im doing that

L1822[14:52:00] <diesieben07> he did not care.

L1823[14:52:19] <diesieben07> well you are not setting the unlocalized name anywhere.

L1824[14:52:25] <iTitus> ^

L1825[14:52:59] <ThomasRules> isnt this.setBlockName() that

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L1827[14:53:12] <diesieben07> you never call that.

L1828[14:53:20] <diesieben07> except in an unused class.

L1829[14:53:52] <iTitus> yeah

L1830[14:53:58] <ThomasRules> where do i implement that

L1831[14:53:59] <iTitus> https://github.com/ThomasRules2000/WrenchedSelector/blob/master/src/main/java/com/stacinator/wrenchedselector/init/ModBlocks.java#L10

L1832[14:54:22] <iTitus> I guess you want a "new BlockSelector()" there

L1833[14:54:22] <diesieben07> what even is that question...

L1834[14:54:29] <masa> I recorded a short demo of the features in Item Scroller 0.4.3

L1835[14:54:42] <masa> (which is yet to be built and uploaded...)

L1836[14:54:44] <masa> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ7EzQK1nsQ

L1837[14:55:04] <ThomasRules> THERE WE GO

L1838[14:55:05] <ThomasRules> thanks

L1839[14:55:10] <masa> the right click shift dragging is the new feature in 0.4.3

L1840[14:55:28] <ThomasRules> knew it was something ridiculously small

L1841[14:55:29] <iTitus> But still we recommend taking out that unlocalized name stuff

L1842[14:56:05] <sham1> I am starting to get worried by the amount of people who want to mod yet do not understand basic programming things

L1843[14:57:23] <Ordinastie_> I feel like it's getting worse and worse

L1844[14:59:33] <Pennyw95> shouldn't te.getCapability(CapabilityItemHandler.ITEM_HANDLER_CAPABILITY, side).insertItem(0, item, false) save the item in the TE's memory by itself?

L1845[15:00:33] <Ordinastie_> wow, you're still on that ? :s

L1846[15:02:03] <Pennyw95> well in my defense I don't have so much time due to exams..but still, yeah

L1847[15:02:26] <Ordinastie_> do you know how to use a debugger ?

L1848[15:04:15] <Pennyw95> not with breakpoints

L1849[15:04:35] <Pennyw95> so this is the barebones code...can you see anything very wrong in here? https://gist.github.com/DrBenway95/a2b096095a1c7cd0b99c48794cccb463

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L1851[15:05:01] <Ordinastie_> wait, there is a way to use a debugger without breakpoints? ôO

L1852[15:05:35] <gigaherz> yeh, waiting for it to crash ... wait no

L1853[15:05:40] <gigaherz> java needs exception breakpints for that

L1854[15:05:56] <Pennyw95> just no then xD

L1855[15:06:09] <gigaherz> you move to the left edge of the line

L1856[15:06:19] <gigaherz> to the left of the vertical thingy with the [+][-]

L1857[15:06:22] <gigaherz> and click there

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L1859[15:06:33] <gigaherz> that red dot with the line, that's a breakpoint

L1860[15:06:39] <gigaherz> when the code is about to run that line

L1861[15:06:40] <gigaherz> it will stop

L1862[15:06:44] <gigaherz> and let you choose how to continue

L1863[15:06:57] <gigaherz> and let you browse the values of variables and contents of "this", and the call stack

L1864[15:07:31] <Pennyw95> cool, I'll look into that :) but still, is that code a proper way of using the capability?

L1865[15:08:25] <gigaherz> sortof but no

L1866[15:08:52] <gigaherz> not because it's wrong per se

L1867[15:09:09] <gigaherz> at least if you have that inside a check if te.hasCapability

L1868[15:09:19] <gigaherz> but simply on the principle that chaining calls that area already long, is ugly ;P

L1869[15:09:26] <gigaherz> are already*

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L1871[15:11:15] <Pennyw95> https://gist.github.com/DrBenway95/a2b096095a1c7cd0b99c48794cccb463

L1872[15:12:07] <Ordinastie_> if it's your TE, what's the point of checking hasCapability and using getCapability ? wouldn't a getInventory() in your TE just be easier ?

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L1877[15:12:40] <Pennyw95> yeah checking for the capability can be skipped

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L1882[15:12:59] <Pennyw95> but I was hoping to write a more abstract method later

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L1884[15:14:05] <Pennyw95> I don't understand why clicking with an empty hand doesn't retrieve items...like they are never saved...the number decreases when I put them in but that's not related to the capability

L1885[15:15:32] <zenith> Does onBlockClicked fire for left clicks?

L1886[15:15:41] <zenith> And also, does it fire for right clicks?

L1887[15:15:42] <Pennyw95> in my TE I have a val inventory = new ItemStackHandler(4) so getCapability should just return that

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L1889[15:16:01] <gigaherz> Pennyw95: that's why you use the debugger

L1890[15:16:03] <gigaherz> first

L1891[15:16:06] <gigaherz> split the line

L1892[15:16:07] <Pennyw95> (of course i have overridden get/has cap)

L1893[15:16:16] <gigaherz> so that you store the resulting capability on a variable

L1894[15:16:17] <zenith> Related (so as to avoid XY), if a player is holding an item and is sneaking, and right clicks my block, I want to capture that interaction

L1895[15:16:17] <gigaherz> then

L1896[15:16:21] <gigaherz> from that variable in the debugger

L1897[15:16:26] <gigaherz> you can check if it actually contains anything

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L1899[15:16:44] <zenith> onBlockActivated does not seem to be firing on shift+right click unless the player isn't holding an item

L1900[15:17:00] <gigaherz> zenith: by design, shift-rightclick bypasses block activation

L1901[15:17:11] <gigaherz> unless, as you say, the player isn't holding an item

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L1903[15:17:38] <zenith> Right. And under normal circumstances I will preserve that. But if the player is holding the same kind of item as what's in the inventory, I want to remove the item from the inventory

L1904[15:17:47] <zenith> *what's in the block's inventory

L1905[15:18:00] <gigaherz> then you have to work at the level of Playerinteractevent

L1906[15:18:26] <zenith> Does onBlockClicked capture left clicks?

L1907[15:18:28] <gigaherz> so that you can also intercept the item activation

L1908[15:18:44] <gigaherz> I think so, but I can't really remember

L1909[15:18:46] <gigaherz> did you try?

L1910[15:18:47] <zenith> Because if so, I might just make it behave similar to barrels/storage drawers

L1911[15:18:58] <zenith> I will do so now.

L1912[15:19:05] <zenith> I'll let you know my findings. :)

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L1914[15:23:37] <Pennyw95> if I try to insert an item and the slot is taken by an item my item can't stack with, insertItem will just return the same initial item I tried to insert, correct?

L1915[15:24:36] <masa> yes

L1916[15:24:54] <Pennyw95> if so, I should do if (insertItem != item) item.stackSize -= 1, instead of doing it a priori

L1917[15:26:26] <masa> oh btw you shouldn't modify the stack that you insert

L1918[15:27:10] <masa> at least the forge InvWrapper directly sets the stack in acse the whole stack can fit into an empty slot in the target inventory

L1919[15:27:12] <Pennyw95> yeah sorry I mean player.getCurrentEquippedItem.stackSize -= 1

L1920[15:27:40] <masa> so if you then were to modify the stack size of the original outside that insert call, it would also change it in the inventory

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L1922[15:29:11] <Pennyw95> I'm copying the player.currentItem, setting its stacksize to 1 and trying to insert it. after that, i decrease the stacksize of the player.currentItem, not the copied one

L1923[15:29:22] <Pennyw95> so that should be ok?

L1924[15:29:23] <masa> ok

L1925[15:29:26] <masa> yep

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L1927[15:32:26] <zenith> gigaherz that does fire when you left click

L1928[15:32:35] <zenith> And only left click so far as I can tell

L1929[15:33:12] <Pennyw95> ok, the server now knows an item it's in the inventory finally!

L1930[15:33:36] <zenith> Pennyw95 I would make the server solely responsible for any updates involving when items are where.

L1931[15:33:43] <zenith> And just notify the client when things change

L1932[15:33:47] <Pennyw95> sure

L1933[15:34:03] <Pennyw95> the client doesn't know...I assumed insertItem would call markDirty

L1934[15:34:58] <zenith> You using capabilities?

L1935[15:35:22] <Pennyw95> yes

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L1937[15:36:00] <Pennyw95> oh, so extractItem doesn't give the player the extracted items as well

L1938[15:36:15] <zenith> https://github.com/EssentialCode/Essential/blob/master/src/main/java/zenith/essential/common/lib/EssentialInventoryHelper.java#L62-L68

L1939[15:36:30] <zenith> I had to override it to mark dirty when contents change

L1940[15:36:42] <zenith> Which is code I borrowed from a tutorial I think.

L1941[15:36:49] <Ordinastie_> Pennyw95, extract is not necessarily done by the player

L1942[15:36:55] <zenith> Or either stole from McJty (with permission from McJty)

L1943[15:37:25] <zenith> So I guess it's less 'stole' and more 'used with permission'

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L1945[15:38:09] <Pennyw95> I see

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L1947[15:38:50] <gigaherz> hmf

L1948[15:39:19] <Pennyw95> why doesn't it have markDirty by itself...doesn't make sense

L1949[15:39:35] <gigaherz> is there something in java that would "sort" a list, but instead of changing the original list, give me an array of indices that maps the old list to the new one?

L1950[15:39:36] <gigaherz> XD

L1951[15:40:14] <Ordinastie_> what's would be the point ?

L1952[15:40:25] <fry> make a clist of indices, sort with a custom comparator

L1953[15:40:26] <Ordinastie_> just sort a copy of the list

L1954[15:40:29] <gigaherz> I'm reimplemdenting my inventory browser

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L1957[15:40:42] <fry> that'll look up the original list and compare referenced objects

L1958[15:40:44] <gigaherz> which didn't work in dedicated servers

L1959[15:40:49] <gigaherz> fry: that's a nice idea :D

L1960[15:40:57] <gigaherz> in fact, that's an awesome idea

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L1962[15:41:54] <gigaherz> Ordinastie_: the reason is that i need to be able to know the original slot number

L1963[15:42:01] <gigaherz> when the client does something on the sorted list

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L1965[15:45:11] <Ordinastie_> meh, I would just reorder the slots I render, but that's just me :p

L1966[15:45:27] <unascribed> you'd still need a mapping for that

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L1968[15:45:45] <Ordinastie_> no, just the order I render the slots

L1969[15:45:55] <unascribed> okay, but how do you remap the clicking?

L1970[15:46:09] <gigaherz> well

L1971[15:46:25] <unascribed> no matter how you end up doing this there needs to be a mapping from client sorted slots to server slots :P

L1972[15:46:26] <Ordinastie_> I don't, my UISlots know what actual slots they render :)

L1973[15:46:29] <gigaherz> the thing is, my inventory aggregator could handle millions of stacks

L1974[15:46:41] <Ordinastie_> the sorting would just be visual

L1975[15:46:44] <gigaherz> I'm not going to declare millions of slots, but "hide" some of them

L1976[15:46:45] <gigaherz> ;P

L1977[15:46:58] <unascribed> my personal (but poor) solution was to do the sorting on the server side for a "bottomless" storage system

L1978[15:47:06] <Ordinastie_> yeah, you probably can't do that with vanilla directly

L1979[15:47:08] <gigaherz> unascribed: I was doing that

L1980[15:47:13] <unascribed> the advantage is not syncing the contents of the entire storage system when you open the GUI

L1981[15:47:15] <gigaherz> then I realized the server doesn't even know the name of the item

L1982[15:47:18] <gigaherz> let alone the tooltip data

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L1984[15:47:23] <unascribed> the disadvantage is lots of things

L1985[15:47:26] <unascribed> including what you said

L1986[15:47:33] <gigaherz> it worked nicely otherwise

L1987[15:47:34] <gigaherz> ;P

L1988[15:48:17] <gigaherz> but in order for it to work on dedicated servers, I need to track the complete list of items on the client

L1989[15:48:26] <gigaherz> and do the sorting and scrolling on the client

L1990[15:49:30] <gigaherz> what's surprising is the no one reported the endless exception spam on the server log

L1991[15:49:32] <gigaherz> ;P

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L1994[15:50:45] <Pennyw95> wtf...I'm calling te.markDirty() right after insertItem and the client still doesn't know?

L1995[15:50:47] <unascribed> if it doesn't crash, the user will pass it off as normal :P

L1996[15:50:55] <unascribed> Pennyw95, TEs don't sync automatically

L1997[15:50:59] <unascribed> markDirty is for saving the map

L1998[15:51:14] <Pennyw95> oh, right...I need to save to nbt right?

L1999[15:51:27] <unascribed> preferably, you'd use a custom packet that only syncs what changed

L2000[15:51:37] <unascribed> if you're lazy as hell, you can just use the description packet stuff and resend everything all the time

L2001[15:51:54] <unascribed> we all know you're going the second route

L2002[15:51:58] <unascribed> :P

L2003[15:52:00] <Pennyw95> well, since the TE won't ahve anything else... :3

L2004[15:52:34] <Pennyw95> serializeNBT? nice

L2005[15:52:48] <unascribed> this is sort of a hybrid of the two, it does incremental packets but it uses description packet hooks

L2006[15:52:50] <unascribed> https://github.com/unascribed/CorrelatedPotentialistics/blob/master/src/main/java/com/unascribed/correlatedpotentialistics/tile/TileEntityDriveBay.java

L2007[15:52:53] <unascribed> and it does basically the same thing you're doing

L2008[15:53:07] <unascribed> (it's only slightly completely hardcoded, but it could be a good example)

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L2010[15:53:52] <Pennyw95> I see...thanks :)

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L2016[16:04:44] <Pennyw95> wait...why doesn't ItemStackHandler.serializeNBT() take the TE's nbt instead of creating its own?

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L2018[16:05:12] <Ordinastie_> what if you have multiple inventories ?

L2019[16:06:00] <gigaherz> I do also prefer the writeToNBT way

L2020[16:06:21] <Pennyw95> so I should do nbt = inventory.serializeNBT()?

L2021[16:06:26] <gigaherz> no...

L2022[16:06:26] <Ordinastie_> oh, you meant passed to the method

L2023[16:06:29] <gigaherz> you do

L2024[16:06:31] <Ordinastie_> yeah

L2025[16:06:33] <gigaherz> someTag = serializeNBT

L2026[16:06:40] <gigaherz> nbt.setTag("Inventory", someTag)

L2027[16:07:40] <Pennyw95> oh..right

L2028[16:08:20] <Pennyw95> and just nbt.getTag("inv") inside readFromNBT?

L2029[16:08:30] <gigaherz> getCompoundTag

L2030[16:09:00] <gigaherz> and the same key, ofc

L2031[16:09:59] <Pennyw95> writeToNbt = nbt.setTag("inv"), readFromNBT = nbt.getCompoundTag("inv")

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L2034[16:19:05] <Pennyw95> the client still doesn't get updated...did I do it wrong? https://gist.github.com/DrBenway95/708af48d00d8012add526ff318cf0736

L2035[16:19:44] <unascribed> writeToNBT and readFromNBT are for saves

L2036[16:19:46] <unascribed> not network

L2037[16:19:46] <Pennyw95> calling markDirty right after insertItem

L2038[16:20:27] <gigaherz> markDirty doesn't sync to client

L2039[16:21:04] <gigaherz> you haveto use either markBlockForUpdate(1.8)/notifyBlockUpdate(1.9 + getDescriptionPacket+onDataPacket

L2040[16:21:06] <gigaherz> or custom packets

L2041[16:21:12] <gigaherz> if you want to keep TEs in sync with the client

L2042[16:21:17] <gigaherz> outside of the GUI

L2043[16:21:45] <gigaherz> the container should sync the slots -- note, SLOTS (not the rest of the TE, or even the inventory slots that don't have a Slot class associated)

L2044[16:21:46] <Pennyw95> so if I don't actually render when the inventory is occupied, I don't have to sync?

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L2046[16:22:16] <Pennyw95> I mean, just markDirty to save them, and sync only if I need to draw them?

L2047[16:22:18] <gigaherz> no if you don't use the item on the client for anything

L2048[16:22:25] <gigaherz> thne you don't need to sync

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L2050[16:24:03] <Elucent> what's a good way to spawn in temporary water

L2051[16:24:19] <Elucent> i want to place a block of water that will spread but naturally dissipate

L2052[16:25:07] <Elucent> using setBlockState(Blocks.flowing_water.getStateFromMeta(15)) spawns the correct height of water, but it disappears immediately after being placed

L2053[16:25:28] <diesieben07> depends on what you mean by "temporary water".

L2054[16:25:55] <diesieben07> use Blocks.flowing_water.getDefaultState()

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L2056[16:26:17] <gigaherz> isn't 0 a source block?

L2057[16:26:30] <gigaherz> you haveto use 15 for a max-height non-source block

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L2060[16:26:53] <diesieben07> uhhh

L2061[16:26:57] <diesieben07> wat...

L2062[16:27:07] <gigaherz> IIRC

L2063[16:27:14] <Pennyw95> gigaherz: I have no idea why, but the client still isn't in sync even after I call both markDirty and markBlockForUpdate after insertItem..

L2064[16:27:14] <gigaherz> water 1..15 are the non-source, and 0 is the source

L2065[16:27:27] <Elucent> yeah, using getDefaultState() creates a source block, just checked

L2066[16:27:30] <gigaherz> flowing_water is water that has been recently updated by neighbour changes

L2067[16:27:35] <diesieben07> what do you want if not a source block?

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L2069[16:27:37] <gigaherz> while water is water that hasn't been recently updated

L2070[16:27:48] <gigaherz> he wants a non-source block

L2071[16:27:51] <Elucent> i was hoping for water that would spread but dissipate

L2072[16:27:51] <gigaherz> that will flow a bit then disappear

L2073[16:27:55] <Elucent> like lava after you destroy the source

L2074[16:28:00] <diesieben07> that's not how vanilla water works.

L2075[16:28:05] <gigaherz> Blocks.flowing_water.getDefaultState().withProperty(BlockLiquid.LEVEL, 15)

L2076[16:28:13] <gigaherz> that's what you want.

L2077[16:28:49] <Elucent> ok, i'll check

L2078[16:29:52] <Elucent> it spawns with the right height, but doesnt flow, it just instantly disappears

L2079[16:30:05] <gigaherz> hmmm

L2080[16:30:17] <gigaherz> how about 7?

L2081[16:30:46] <Elucent> 7 is the same thing, just shorter

L2082[16:30:57] <gigaherz> hmf

L2083[16:32:20] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/ElementsOfPower/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/elementsofpower/spells/effects/WaterEffect.java#L94

L2084[16:32:22] <gigaherz> this works for me

L2085[16:32:25] <gigaherz> but now that you said that

L2086[16:32:34] <gigaherz> I faintly recall having issues placing a single non-source block

L2087[16:32:46] <diesieben07> yes, just checked the code

L2088[16:32:48] <gigaherz> so I made the samllest water ball be 3 in diameter instead of 1

L2089[16:32:56] <diesieben07> if you place a non source block it will immediately update

L2090[16:33:01] <Elucent> well, i got it to work

L2091[16:33:02] <diesieben07> and on update it checks for nearby blocks

L2092[16:33:07] <diesieben07> if there are none, it dies.

L2093[16:33:23] <Elucent> yeah, when i set a neighboring block to flowing water as well, they spread as intended

L2094[16:33:50] <Elucent> thanks for the help

L2095[16:35:00] <Pennyw95> wtf is going on markBlockForUpdate still doesn't sync the client

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L2097[16:38:21] <gigaherz> Pennyw95: did you implement getDescriptionPacket and onDataPacket?=

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L2100[16:39:38] <Intektor> backporting my mod from 1.9 to 1.7.10 for money, what is ItemStack#addAttributeModifier?

L2101[16:39:46] <Intektor> it doesn't seem to be existing

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L2103[16:41:01] <diesieben07> It just does not exist.

L2104[16:41:57] <Intektor> Can I somehow achieve the same effect?

L2105[16:42:03] <diesieben07> sure.

L2106[16:42:06] <diesieben07> replicate the functionality

L2107[16:42:21] <Intektor> ok, ill try that

L2108[16:43:48] <Pennyw95> gigaherz: yeah, I do in my abstract TE class and that works in my other TE, but maybe I forgot something somewhere

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L2110[16:49:04] <BlackSpark> Hi, I'm getting a weird NullPointerException ( http://pastebin.com/cmw0pEv0 line 58 ) that seems to be caused by the createBlockState function in http://pastebin.com/BRPpa0rD (line 37). I'm not sure what's going on.

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L2112[16:50:33] <diesieben07> createBlockState is called from the Block constructor (your superclass)

L2113[16:50:43] <diesieben07> at that stage fields in your class are not initialized yet

L2114[16:50:56] <diesieben07> instance fields that is

L2115[16:51:02] <diesieben07> meaning: CHARGE_PERCENT is null.

L2116[16:53:38] <BlackSpark> Alright, that makes sense.

L2117[16:54:20] <alekso56> i like how forge wants java 1.8 but needs 1.7 for decompworkspace :v

L2118[16:54:40] <Ordinastie_> it doesn't

L2119[16:55:08] <diesieben07> neither of those is true.

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L2122[16:58:19] <alekso56> well, talking about the "[FML]: The game is not running with Java 8. Forge recommends Java 8 ..."

L2123[16:58:30] <Intektor> what is the second event handler in 1.7.10?

L2124[16:58:34] <diesieben07> recommend != require

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L2126[16:58:37] <Intektor> MinecraftForge and?

L2127[16:58:43] <diesieben07> wat?

L2128[16:58:45] <unascribed> FMLCommonHandler

L2129[16:58:48] <Intektor> ah ok

L2130[16:59:04] <unascribed> I wish I got paid to backport mods :<

L2131[16:59:24] <TehNut> I wish people would stop backporting mods

L2132[16:59:33] <Intektor> thats why I take money

L2133[16:59:33] <alekso56> damn backporters.

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L2135[17:00:04] <gigaherz> ohshit

L2136[17:00:06] <gigaherz> it worked

L2137[17:00:09] <gigaherz> that was too easy

L2138[17:00:14] <gigaherz> I won't belive it just works.

L2139[17:00:45] <Intektor> I know that feeling :D

L2140[17:01:12] <Pennyw95> gigaherz: readFromNBT(nbt) { nbt.getCompoundTag("inv") } isn't doing anything, is it?

L2141[17:01:53] <Pennyw95> I mena, it returns the nbt data but then the values aren't updated?

L2142[17:01:57] <gigaherz> Pennyw95: ofc not?

L2143[17:02:01] <gigaherz> you ahveto then call

L2144[17:02:09] <gigaherz> inventory.deserializeNBT(theTag)

L2145[17:02:22] <gigaherz> with the return value from the getcompoundTag

L2146[17:02:51] <Pennyw95> of course...I am so slow tonight

L2147[17:03:09] <gigaherz> I really seriaously can't find any issue with it...?!

L2148[17:03:18] <gigaherz> I'll check in a dedicated server now

L2149[17:03:39] <gigaherz> if it doesn't crash, i'll feel weird all night

L2150[17:04:10] <unascribed> I had that recently with security-related code

L2151[17:04:24] <unascribed> so take your feeling of uneasiness and multiply it by 100

L2152[17:04:28] <gigaherz> AHA!

L2153[17:04:30] <gigaherz> found a bug

L2154[17:04:33] <gigaherz> if you search for stuff

L2155[17:04:35] <gigaherz> it fails :D

L2156[17:04:54] <gigaherz> not crash

L2157[17:05:00] <gigaherz> just the client and server disagree ;P

L2158[17:05:10] <gigaherz> but I know why ;P

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L2167[17:22:32] <shadowfacts> Anyone know why this Gui (https://github.com/shadowfacts/DiscordChat/blob/1.7.10/src/main/java/net/shadowfacts/discordchat/client/GuiSetup.java) would render a completely white screen on 1.8.9 but not on 1.7.10?

L2168[17:25:50] <diesieben07> you have to draw some kind of background i think

L2169[17:26:05] <unascribed> calling super should do that

L2170[17:26:12] <diesieben07> super draws buttons

L2171[17:27:33] <shadowfacts> it's still completely white if I call drawDefaultBackground

L2172[17:27:44] <gigaherz> it works \o/

L2173[17:27:55] <gigaherz> search filters, sorting, and in a server

L2174[17:28:09] <TehNut> shadowfacts: https://github.com/TehNut/LaunchGui/blob/1.9/src/main/java/tehnut/launchgui/gui/GuiStartup.java#L28-L30

L2175[17:28:49] <tterrag> that's necessary because someone is breaking the GL state

L2176[17:29:22] <diesieben07> someone is disabling textures

L2177[17:29:23] <shadowfacts> o_O

L2178[17:29:25] <shadowfacts> ok

L2179[17:29:27] <diesieben07> and not re-enabling them

L2180[17:29:40] <tterrag> no, it's worse than that

L2181[17:29:53] <tterrag> someone is disabling GL_TEXTURE_2D but not using GLStateManager

L2182[17:29:59] <tterrag> so the manager still thinks its own

L2183[17:30:01] <tterrag> so enabling it does nothing

L2184[17:30:07] <tterrag> s/own/on/

L2185[17:30:42] <gigaherz> that's the worst part of the gl state manager: the way you are supposed to use those things

L2186[17:30:46] <gigaherz> is to ALWAYS set ALL the states

L2187[17:30:47] <diesieben07> yes thats what i mean.

L2188[17:30:53] <gigaherz> and let it skip the ones that don't matter

L2189[17:30:57] <gigaherz> but not even mojang does that

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L2191[17:31:15] <diesieben07> yeah GLStateManager is a flawed concept

L2192[17:31:18] <gigaherz> skip the ones that haven't changed***

L2193[17:31:43] <TehNut> It's somewhere in Vanilla or Forge. It happens with just LGUI and the only GL calls I make are those

L2194[17:32:10] <TehNut> Also happened to EiraIRC (which is where I nabbed that solution from)

L2195[17:32:18] <diesieben07> there is no glDisable in forge 1.8.9 anywhere

L2196[17:32:26] <diesieben07> except in GlStateManager

L2197[17:32:34] <diesieben07> glDisable(GL_TEXTURE_2D) that is

L2198[17:32:44] <diesieben07> and in the splash screen

L2199[17:32:47] <diesieben07> but if that was broken...

L2200[17:32:48] <gigaherz> how about by number?

L2201[17:33:03] <diesieben07> i searched all glDisable

L2202[17:33:08] <gigaherz> ah

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L2204[17:33:21] <diesieben07> GuiScrollingList has one wehere it disables GL_SCISSOR_TEST but thats all

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L2209[17:53:22] <Matthew> LexDesktop, poke about this before you finalize the class renames. https://github.com/ModCoderPack/MCPBot-Issues/issues/254

L2210[17:55:33] <gigaherz> :3 http://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/ender-rift/files

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L2212[18:07:13] <LexDesktop> -.-

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L2220[18:16:01] <TheClaus> I am trying to make an item that when it loses all its durability instead of breaking it just shows the item with 0 durability. I created a 2nd item that is the broken version of the item but confused with how to use the PlayerDestroyItemEvent. Using 1.9. I looked for some examples and couldn't find any.

L2221[18:17:18] <TehNut> Is this a custom item?

L2222[18:17:27] <TheClaus> yes

L2223[18:17:42] <TehNut> You could use NBT instead of "standard" damage then

L2224[18:18:57] <diesieben07> or override setDamage in your item and make it cap out one below getMaxDamage

L2225[18:19:18] <LexDesktop> Matthew, Thats actually perfectly valid names

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L2227[18:20:09] <Matthew> I mean BlockPistonExtension is mapped to piston_head

L2228[18:20:20] <Matthew> while BlockPistonMoving is to piston_extension

L2229[18:20:33] <Matthew> shouldn't BlockPistonExtension == piston_extension

L2230[18:20:53] <LexDesktop> Extension == Extended part

L2231[18:21:02] <LexDesktop> So, the head

L2232[18:21:10] <LexDesktop> Moving is the part WHILE ITS MOVING

L2233[18:21:26] <TheClaus> thanks TehNut and diesieben07

L2234[18:21:46] <LexDesktop> the internal registry names are just dumb

L2235[18:21:49] <Matthew> humm ok

L2236[18:22:10] <LexDesktop> but thats mojang, and I refuse to call _exstension 'magic'

L2237[18:22:30] <Matthew> heh is that what they call it?

L2238[18:22:33] <LexDesktop> Yup

L2239[18:22:48] <LexDesktop> So We COULD rename Extension to Moving but whatever

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L2241[18:24:56] <Matthew> ok other two you haven't commented on. https://github.com/ModCoderPack/MCPBot-Issues/issues/228 https://github.com/ModCoderPack/MCPBot-Issues/issues/92

L2242[18:25:21] <LexDesktop> https://github.com/ModCoderPack/MCPBot-Issues/issues/228

L2243[18:25:24] <LexDesktop> Not gunna happen in 1.9

L2244[18:25:35] <LexDesktop> https://github.com/ModCoderPack/MCPBot-Issues/issues/92

L2245[18:25:38] <LexDesktop> Not gunna happen in 1.9

L2246[18:25:53] <Matthew> k. added to the 1.10? milestone

L2247[18:25:57] <LexDesktop> All issues are closed for now and renames are final for 1.9.4

L2248[18:28:34] <LexDesktop> humm

L2249[18:28:37] <LexDesktop> so interesting thing

L2250[18:28:46] <LexDesktop> PlayerInstance isnt actually an inner class

L2251[18:28:54] <LexDesktop> they must of refactored it out sometime in the past.

L2252[18:28:59] <LexDesktop> I should move it out...

L2253[18:30:06] <diesieben07> i always wondered how the heck you actually know... do they tell you? :D

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L2255[18:31:43] <illy> he's the javatar he just knows :P

L2256[18:31:47] <Matthew> well inner class attributes are kept by proguard now arent they? could just write a script to tell you which ones changed

L2257[18:32:26] <diesieben07> ah they are, i didnt know that

L2258[18:32:38] <diesieben07> still seems to be somewhat manual though from his comment

L2259[18:33:32] <Zaggy1024> what's a name that could be appled to a display list and a VBO? :P

L2260[18:33:50] <Zaggy1024> I'm having trouble coming up with a class name for something that handles them

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L2262[18:35:19] <Zaggy1024> ah, maybe VertexUploader?

L2263[18:35:36] <fry|sleep> why are you not using vanilla classes?

L2264[18:36:04] <Zaggy1024> do they have one that contains a display list or a VBO depending on the setting?

L2265[18:36:08] <fry|sleep> like, you know, good old tessellator

L2266[18:36:18] <Zaggy1024> wat

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L2268[18:36:25] <Zaggy1024> I do use the tessellator

L2269[18:36:52] <Zaggy1024> I'm trying to make it so I'm not duplicating the setup and calling code from the display lists/VBOs

L2270[18:37:06] <fry|sleep> then look at the code that uploads the tessellator data

L2271[18:37:23] <Zaggy1024> I know how to use them, jeez

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L2273[18:37:56] <fry|sleep> protip: the class name indeed contains words Vertex and Uploader

L2274[18:38:31] <Zaggy1024> gah

L2275[18:38:39] <Zaggy1024> that thing is for display lists??

L2276[18:38:53] <Zaggy1024> I thought it was for VBOs because it happens to have VertexBuffer in its name

L2277[18:39:33] <diesieben07> a displaylist is not a buffer for vertices? :D

L2278[18:39:51] <Zaggy1024> uh..

L2279[18:39:55] <Zaggy1024> is that a question? :P

L2280[18:40:16] <diesieben07> a rhetorical one.

L2281[18:40:18] <Zaggy1024> I know what a display list is, but the way I use it is equivalent to a VBO

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L2283[18:40:48] <diesieben07> both vbo and display list can be used as a buffer for vertices

L2284[18:41:02] <diesieben07> so the assumption "VertexBuffer in the name => must be for VBOs" is not quite right

L2285[18:41:23] <Zaggy1024> well

L2286[18:41:35] <Zaggy1024> that's the assumption I drew from it :P

L2287[18:43:24] <Zaggy1024> wait

L2288[18:43:37] <Zaggy1024> WorldVertexBufferUploader doesn't do what I thought it did just now either

L2289[18:43:53] <Zaggy1024> what does this have to do with display lists?

L2290[18:44:02] <diesieben07> i dunno

L2291[18:44:09] <diesieben07> the fry said it

L2292[18:44:35] <Zaggy1024> fry|sleep, is storing a ByteBuffer or byte[] faster than using a display list somehow? is that why you pointed me to WorldVertexBufferUploader?

L2293[18:45:03] <Zaggy1024> aren't display lists already put on the GPU for fast calls?

L2294[18:46:09] <Zaggy1024> gah

L2295[18:46:21] <Zaggy1024> whatever, I'm gonna make my class anyway :p

L2296[18:48:42] <alekso56> how do i uhh, texture the item for the block in 1.9 >_>

L2297[18:49:21] <Zaggy1024> depends on what features you're using

L2298[18:49:33] <Zaggy1024> well

L2299[18:49:43] <diesieben07> ModelLoader.setModelResourceLocation to set the model for any item

L2300[18:49:49] <diesieben07> ItemBlock or not

L2301[18:50:11] <Zaggy1024> and you can use a forge blockstates json with retexturing if you want

L2302[18:50:14] <Zaggy1024> that way you only have one file

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L2304[18:50:48] <alekso56> im trying the json way, but

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L2306[18:51:28] <diesieben07> butt

L2307[18:53:21] <alekso56> the block works fine, but the item doesn't.

L2308[18:53:34] <diesieben07> show your code and whatever jsons you have and their exact path

L2309[18:54:35] <alekso56> kvirc has stopped working >_<, give me a sec githubing it.

L2310[18:55:46] <alekso56> https://github.com/alekso56/BetterThanAchievements/tree/master/src/main

L2311[18:56:39] <diesieben07> as i said, you need to call ModelLoader.setCustomModelResourceLocation to set the model for an Item

L2312[18:56:41] <diesieben07> ItemBlock or not

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L2314[18:57:21] <diesieben07> so in your case sCMRL(myBlock.getRegistryName(), "normal");

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L2320[19:00:43] <alekso56> diesieben07: you mean ModelLoader.setCustomModelResourceLocation(item, metadata, model); ?

L2321[19:00:57] <diesieben07> yes.

L2322[19:01:11] <diesieben07> yeah my last message was stupoid

L2323[19:01:28] <diesieben07> that was supposed to be new ModelResourceLocation(myBlock.getRegistryName(), "normal")

L2324[19:01:44] <alekso56> ah, that makes more sense xd

L2325[19:02:05] <Zaggy1024> "normal"??

L2326[19:02:09] <FusionLord> does anyone know how to tell if bounding boxes are enabled?

L2327[19:02:15] <diesieben07> yes, normal

L2328[19:02:20] <Zaggy1024> that's for the default block model, not for items

L2329[19:02:21] <diesieben07> since he is using the blockstate json

L2330[19:02:21] <Zaggy1024> :P

L2331[19:02:37] <diesieben07> its just the default for items when you are using a dedicated item model json

L2332[19:02:45] <diesieben07> but he is using the blockstate file, which has a normal variant

L2333[19:02:51] <Zaggy1024> don't force resource pack artists to use the same model for the block and the item

L2334[19:03:05] <diesieben07> uh why not?

L2335[19:03:24] <Zaggy1024> because that's pointless when it literally takes one extra line to make it possible to have different models

L2336[19:03:25] <diesieben07> i am not writing more json just so some RP can mess with my mod

L2337[19:03:42] <Zaggy1024> it doesn't take one more json...just declare "inventory" in the blockstates json...

L2338[19:03:59] <diesieben07> or ... don't because nobody cares.

L2339[19:04:07] <Zaggy1024> and resource packs aren't "messing with" your mod, they're changing the art style

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L2341[19:04:34] <diesieben07> and if i dont want the world and inv model to be different?

L2342[19:04:36] <Zaggy1024> I care, so obviously that generalization is incorrect :P

L2343[19:04:45] <Zaggy1024> why would you want that to be the case?

L2344[19:04:57] <Zaggy1024> if resource packs find it necessary to change the item model, they will

L2345[19:05:00] <Zaggy1024> if they don't, they won't

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L2347[19:05:10] <Zaggy1024> most likely it will be the latter, but why force them to do something?

L2348[19:05:21] <diesieben07> i don't actively force them.

L2349[19:05:22] <alekso56> yay, success.

L2350[19:05:26] <diesieben07> i just do what is necessary

L2351[19:05:35] <diesieben07> i don't actively encourage them to do X either.

L2352[19:05:44] <Zaggy1024> that's a bad reason to save one line of JSON :P

L2353[19:06:00] <diesieben07> i don't have a reason :D

L2354[19:06:05] <diesieben07> i don't care about RPs

L2355[19:06:09] <Zaggy1024> then you're arguing for no reason

L2356[19:06:10] <diesieben07> if someone complains... i might add it

L2357[19:06:16] <diesieben07> i am not argueing

L2358[19:06:27] <Zaggy1024> okay then

L2359[19:06:35] <Zaggy1024> we're arguing with each other :P

L2360[19:06:39] <alekso56> one complaint from Zaggy1024 received. :o

L2361[19:06:45] <diesieben07> that complaint is invalid

L2362[19:06:55] <diesieben07> he does not own a RP that is makign models for any of my mods

L2363[19:07:03] <diesieben07> because my only real mod has not been updated in 3 years.

L2364[19:07:04] <Zaggy1024> *facepalm*

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L2366[19:07:18] <alekso56> barely safe TM

L2367[19:07:18] <Zaggy1024> Just because I'm not a resource pack artist doesn't mean I should just not care

L2368[19:07:35] <Zaggy1024> I'm not complaining about your mods

L2369[19:07:40] <diesieben07> there is no point in caring if its never gonna be used.

L2370[19:07:47] <Zaggy1024> I'm complaining about you encouraging someone else to limit something pointlessly

L2371[19:08:04] <diesieben07> i have not encouraged anything

L2372[19:08:09] <diesieben07> i said what he needs to do

L2373[19:08:14] <diesieben07> wihtout even thinking about RPS

L2374[19:08:47] <FusionLord> anyone know if there is an easy method to render a AxisAlignedBoundingBox?

L2375[19:08:49] <Zaggy1024> meh

L2376[19:09:28] <Zaggy1024> well if you're so indifferent about it then why argue with me saying that separate "normal" and "inventory" is good?

L2377[19:09:55] <diesieben07> it's effort that doesn't serve anyone :P

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L2379[19:10:22] <Zaggy1024> well I say, why make it harder if someone *does* complain? :P

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L2381[19:10:35] <Zaggy1024> if you literally just have to copy paste one line and change one words...

L2382[19:10:38] <Zaggy1024> *word

L2383[19:11:08] <alekso56> that sounds like way more effort than i'd put in.

L2384[19:11:24] <alekso56> put if you want to do a pullrequest :v

L2385[19:11:29] <Zaggy1024> heh

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L2387[19:12:29] <diesieben07> i am just saying i really don't care. if someone comes along and says "here i made this RP it is all done but i need separate models plz"

L2388[19:12:30] <diesieben07> sure.

L2389[19:12:45] <diesieben07> because i really cannot imagine me thinking about this every single time

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L2395[19:23:18] <diesieben07> Zaggy1024, also, what are you saying is not true

L2396[19:23:25] <diesieben07> you can totally do this with item overrides

L2397[19:23:32] <Zaggy1024> do what?

L2398[19:23:35] <FusionLord> is there any reason that Entities don't have multiple collision boxes?

L2399[19:23:51] <diesieben07> different model for inventory if there is just the "normal" variant

L2400[19:24:12] <Zaggy1024> uh

L2401[19:24:27] <Zaggy1024> how?

L2402[19:24:39] <Zaggy1024> FusionLord, probably because the boxes are axis aligned

L2403[19:25:00] <Zaggy1024> it doesn't really make sense to rotate an AABB

L2404[19:25:12] <FusionLord> who said anything about rotation?

L2405[19:25:15] <diesieben07> "overrides": [ { "predicate": { "damage": -1 }, "model": "inv model location" } ]

L2406[19:25:17] <diesieben07> in the model

L2407[19:25:41] <diesieben07> actually dont use damage

L2408[19:25:47] <diesieben07> use "lefthanded"

L2409[19:25:47] <Zaggy1024> in the blockstates json?

L2410[19:25:54] <diesieben07> no in the model.

L2411[19:26:05] <diesieben07> specify a model in the blockstate, in that model json do that

L2412[19:26:25] <Zaggy1024> oh, uh...

L2413[19:26:36] <Zaggy1024> I don't think you can reference item models in blockstates jsons

L2414[19:26:47] <diesieben07> i did not say anything about blocstate jsons

L2415[19:26:48] <Zaggy1024> if I remember correctly

L2416[19:26:59] <diesieben07> and item and block models are no different

L2417[19:27:05] <diesieben07> they both get loaded into an IBakedModel

L2418[19:27:24] <Zaggy1024> mmh

L2419[19:27:42] <Zaggy1024> that's still a hacky workaround :P

L2420[19:27:58] <diesieben07> not hacky at all.

L2421[19:28:01] <diesieben07> well, maybe a bit

L2422[19:28:18] <diesieben07> but i view it as a legitimate solution

L2423[19:28:56] <Zaggy1024> whatever you say :P

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L2425[19:29:42] <diesieben07> the override predicates are "minimum this value"

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L2427[19:29:53] <diesieben07> and "lefthanded" is always there and 0 or 1

L2428[19:30:01] <diesieben07> so its always bigger than -1 so it always matches

L2429[19:30:04] <diesieben07> nothing hacky about that

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L2431[19:31:35] <Zaggy1024> wasn't talking about that

L2432[19:31:42] <Zaggy1024> although I disagree that that isn't a hack

L2433[19:31:56] <diesieben07> why is it a hack?

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L2435[19:32:19] <Zaggy1024> I'm talking about putting an item override list in a block mode.

L2436[19:32:41] <Zaggy1024> but I don't really want to keep discussing this, it's quite pointless :P

L2437[19:32:56] <diesieben07> there is no difference between block and item models ;)

L2438[19:33:09] <Zaggy1024> in code, sure

L2439[19:33:17] <Zaggy1024> but there's the obvious separation by directories

L2440[19:33:31] <diesieben07> which is completely disregarded by forge

L2441[19:33:50] <diesieben07> many mods use variants and thereby a blockstate json for completely non-block items

L2442[19:33:59] <diesieben07> which means that their models will be in blocks/

L2443[19:35:07] <Zaggy1024> meh

L2444[19:35:09] <Zaggy1024> that's true

L2445[19:35:24] <diesieben07> i know it's hard to be wrong :P

L2446[19:36:20] <Zaggy1024> I'm not wrong, it's just that Mojang's system was so badly executed that half the things modders have to do are hacks to get around it

L2447[19:36:46] <Zaggy1024> in my opinion anyway :P

L2448[19:36:50] <diesieben07> So there should be a blockstate json equivalent for item models?

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L2450[19:37:07] <diesieben07> and there should be no way for an Itemblock to just point to it's block's model?

L2451[19:37:18] <Zaggy1024> there should either be that or there shouldn't be separate folders for blocks and items

L2452[19:37:30] <diesieben07> the latter would be better imho

L2453[19:37:31] <Zaggy1024> also organization of directories in the assets folder is a pain

L2454[19:37:45] <diesieben07> but what can you do, mojang always does thnigs half-assed

L2455[19:37:47] <diesieben07> whats new?

L2456[19:38:07] <Zaggy1024> but blockstates jsons aren't exactly ideal for items given that item metadata has a huge number more bits than blocks

L2457[19:38:30] <diesieben07> what does that have to do with blockstate jsons?

L2458[19:38:37] <Zaggy1024> they almost did the item overrides right, I think, but using only floats (thereby precluding variants) is stupid

L2459[19:39:24] <diesieben07> if you think your item has too many variants for one file, just do multiple.

L2460[19:39:29] <Zaggy1024> ugh, I can't really think anymore

L2461[19:39:53] <Zaggy1024> I might be getting a headache actually, I'm not sure :P

L2462[19:39:54] * diesieben07 pats Zaggy1024 on the head

L2463[19:40:03] <Zaggy1024> lol thanks, I guess

L2464[19:40:08] <Zaggy1024> assuming you didn't make it worse

L2465[19:40:20] * diesieben07 is gentle

L2466[19:40:26] <diesieben07> this is getting creepy

L2467[19:40:33] <Zaggy1024> *slap*

L2468[19:40:36] <Zaggy1024> :]

L2469[19:40:52] <diesieben07> uhhh

L2470[19:41:37] <tterrag> off topic - any GL wizards out there? trying to fix this hard line on the specular lighting http://i.imgur.com/x86hcvu.png

L2471[19:44:51] <Zaggy1024> does that have a shadow on?

L2472[19:45:09] <Zaggy1024> could be the shadow is removing the specular as well as diffuse

L2473[19:45:14] <tterrag> no shadows

L2474[19:45:20] <Zaggy1024> ah

L2475[19:45:28] <tterrag> other than the mere fact that the left side of the sphere is on the opposite side of the light

L2476[19:45:41] <Zaggy1024> how is it being shaded?

L2477[19:45:45] <Zaggy1024> do you have a fragment shader?

L2478[19:45:47] <tterrag> yep

L2479[19:45:52] <tterrag> this is modern, so I kinda have to :P

L2480[19:46:20] <tterrag> vec4 specularPortion = texture(Mat.specular, tex_coord) * Lt[i].specular * pow(specang, Mat.shininess) * attenuation * spotFactor;

L2481[19:46:27] <tterrag> hm I wonder if the spotlighting stuff is screwing with it

L2482[19:46:35] <tterrag> it shouldn't

L2483[19:46:36] <Zaggy1024> does it skip lighting the side with normal dot sun being negative?

L2484[19:46:36] <tterrag> but I"ll check

L2485[19:46:45] <LordFokas> Mojang's ITickable on TileEntities just ruined a good bit of work I've had in the past. Way to go Mojang!! FML

L2486[19:46:48] <tterrag> yeah no

L2487[19:46:58] <Zaggy1024> what Lord?

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L2489[19:47:15] <tterrag> float dfang = max(0.0, dot(l, n)); if (dfang == 0) specang = 0;

L2490[19:47:19] <tterrag> Zaggy1024: ^^ yes :P

L2491[19:47:34] <Zaggy1024> lol

L2492[19:48:41] <LordFokas> I've always been concerned about TEs that only tick on one side, and thus developed a good bit of code around canUpdate() and other related methods

L2493[19:48:54] <LordFokas> with ITickable, I can no longer do that

L2494[19:49:08] <diesieben07> sure you can

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L2496[19:49:21] <diesieben07> createTileEntity in your block can return two different classes

L2497[19:49:31] <LordFokas> yeah I just have to create 2 fkin classes for every TE I have

L2498[19:49:57] <Zaggy1024> I'm confused, why is canUpdate so important?

L2499[19:50:06] <diesieben07> just have a non-ticking main class and then an inner class that does tick and adds the ticking stuff

L2500[19:50:06] <Zaggy1024> does it lag even if you just return if you shouldn't update?

L2501[19:50:13] <diesieben07> not much code overhead

L2502[19:50:32] <diesieben07> Zaggy1024, non-tikcing means its not consuming ANY cpu time. as opposed to your onTick just doing nothing

L2503[19:50:44] <LordFokas> the way I have it it is a lot of work!

L2504[19:50:46] <diesieben07> its checked once when the TE spawns

L2505[19:50:48] <Zaggy1024> well sure, but how much time does that actually take?

L2506[19:51:00] <diesieben07> it makes a difference in the whole

L2507[19:51:04] <LordFokas> ^

L2508[19:51:18] <Zaggy1024> how many of these TEs do you have in the world for that to matter?

L2509[19:51:20] <diesieben07> if you have to tick 2000 TEs taht do nothing... thats much more work than... not doing anything because they all are nonticking

L2510[19:51:35] <diesieben07> 2000 is an arbitrary number

L2511[19:51:41] <diesieben07> you'd have to profile it

L2512[19:51:57] <Zaggy1024> sure, it's more work

L2513[19:52:03] <diesieben07> remember those onUpdate calls are all true virual calls, no inlining no nothing

L2514[19:52:21] <Zaggy1024> hm

L2515[19:52:40] <Zaggy1024> well

L2516[19:52:51] <diesieben07> imagine carpenters blocks

L2517[19:52:54] <diesieben07> they dont need to tick

L2518[19:52:54] <Zaggy1024> I still say the question is how many of these TEs are normally going to be in the world?

L2519[19:52:58] <LordFokas> that's a lot of unnecessary stack frames being pushed and popped

L2520[19:53:12] <diesieben07> if you build wiith lots of them it will just takes some ram

L2521[19:53:28] <diesieben07> instead of the server thread having to iterate a BIG list of TEs every single tick

L2522[19:53:59] <Zaggy1024> sure, but those don't ever have to tick, do they?

L2523[19:54:05] <diesieben07> exactly!

L2524[19:54:15] <LordFokas> Zaggy1024, consider a large mutiplayer server, where there are probably a few hundred thousand TEs loaded at any time. Every nano-second counts

L2525[19:54:17] <diesieben07> this is a black and white kinda deal

L2526[19:54:23] <diesieben07> canTick is checked ONCE when the TE spawns

L2527[19:54:23] <Zaggy1024> in other words, the case of having two TE classes doesn't really matter tot hem

L2528[19:54:29] <diesieben07> otherwise it would be pointless

L2529[19:54:59] <diesieben07> or now instanceof ITickable

L2530[19:55:01] <Zaggy1024> what would the block be that would be placed a hundred thousand times?

L2531[19:55:04] <Zaggy1024> that's what I'm asking

L2532[19:55:22] <Zaggy1024> if it's not worth doing, it's not worth doing :P

L2533[19:55:29] <diesieben07> well, mojang did it

L2534[19:55:30] <Zaggy1024> if it is, then...cool

L2535[19:55:30] <LordFokas> cables, machines...

L2536[19:55:34] <diesieben07> so it must have some benefit even for vanilla

L2537[19:55:42] <LordFokas> this is my base code

L2538[19:55:55] <Zaggy1024> diesieben, I'm not saying all TEs should be non-optionally tickable....

L2539[19:55:57] <LordFokas> everything extends that

L2540[19:56:11] <diesieben07> what?

L2541[19:56:35] <Zaggy1024> it sounds as though you think I'm saying that all TEs should tick on matter what

L2542[19:56:54] <LordFokas> TileEntity should just have a boolean canUpdate()

L2543[19:57:08] <LordFokas> with return this instanceof ITickable as default

L2544[19:59:12] <diesieben07> and... why?

L2545[19:59:30] <diesieben07> the calls to ITickable.update would have to be patched as well

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L2547[20:02:28] <LordFokas> they wouldn't. That'd just be delegating the ticking check to the TE before putting it on the tickable list

L2548[20:04:31] <diesieben07> the update call is ITickable.update though

L2549[20:04:44] <diesieben07> oh i get you

L2550[20:04:51] <diesieben07> still why :D

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L2554[20:09:55] <LexDesktop> -.-

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L2560[20:25:01] <LordFokas> diesieben07, because I'm terribly tired of all the backwards compatibility breaks every single freaking update ever

L2561[20:25:19] <LordFokas> also being away from the modding world for over a year didn't help

L2562[20:25:55] <LordFokas> and because I made this one cool optimization that no longer works and needs to be completely redone.

L2563[20:25:55] <diesieben07> well complain to mojang:D

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L2566[20:27:15] <LordFokas> It's not like that it'll take me anywhere lol

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L2568[20:32:42] <TehNut> I'm personally fine with the breaking changes. It's a *major* vesrion increase. Of course lots of things are going to change

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L2572[20:36:26] <Zaggy1024> if Mojang was scared of making breaking changes then nothing would ever be improved

L2573[20:38:11] <Zaggy1024> not saying that having the possibility of that kind of optimization was something to remove

L2574[20:38:25] <Zaggy1024> but generalizing that breaking backwards compatibility is a little silly

L2575[20:38:36] <Zaggy1024> *breaking backwards compatibility is always bad

L2576[20:39:59] <williewillus> the whole point is moot anyways for mojang

L2577[20:40:04] <williewillus> they just have to care about world backward compat

L2578[20:40:15] <williewillus> they can change the code all they want :P

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L2580[20:42:29] <Zaggy1024> thing is, I feel like I see a lot of people complain about Mojang breaking backwards compatibility, but modding was never meant to be supported

L2581[20:42:38] <williewillus> *is

L2582[20:42:40] <williewillus> :P

L2583[20:42:57] <Zaggy1024> hmph, I don't think they intend it to stay that way forever

L2584[20:43:14] <TehNut> The only modding they'll officially support is their plugin api

L2585[20:43:21] <Zaggy1024> I know

L2586[20:43:55] <Zaggy1024> all I'm saying is that Mojang now has modding in mind, they're not just making changes for their own sake

L2587[20:44:11] <Zaggy1024> Notch didn't when he wrote a lot of the code we have now

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L2589[20:44:50] <Zaggy1024> so when people modify code based on a private codebase, and then complain when that private codebase changes to break their code, it's a bit stupid

L2590[20:45:10] <LordFokas> TehNut, and I'm betting all my monies that API will be shit

L2591[20:45:31] <TehNut> Well we already have a good majority of it

L2592[20:45:33] <williewillus> you do know it's not going to be for a long time

L2593[20:45:37] <williewillus> and it's not going to be here

L2594[20:45:42] <williewillus> (on java)

L2595[20:46:41] <LordFokas> Zaggy1024, I don't mean that breaking that compat is always bad, but a lot of things are unnecessarily broken...

L2596[20:46:49] <Zaggy1024> yeah

L2597[20:46:55] <Zaggy1024> I figured that's what you meant

L2598[20:47:06] <LordFokas> and that gets met on my nerves really quick

L2599[20:47:12] <LordFokas> gets me*

L2600[20:47:53] <LordFokas> and then there's that thing where they seem unable to improve any given subsystem at once

L2601[20:48:38] <LordFokas> for example, block rendering. We had spritesheets (oh god), then IIcons, and now several terabytes on JSON files :p

L2602[20:48:43] <williewillus> idk they seemed to do a pretty good job with the resource system. model sys isnt perfect but much better than before

L2603[20:48:51] <williewillus> oh god are we really back to this retarded point

L2604[20:48:55] <TehNut> ^

L2605[20:49:09] <williewillus> have you *looked* inside RenderBlocks in 1.7?

L2606[20:49:21] <williewillus> 30(or more i don't remember) case switch statement?

L2607[20:49:35] <LordFokas> I have looked at RenderBlocks in MANY versions

L2608[20:49:43] <LordFokas> it was fucking awful

L2609[20:49:57] <williewillus> then you should know why the model sys change was coming from a mile away

L2610[20:50:01] <Zaggy1024> several terabytes of json is a myth

L2611[20:50:04] <williewillus> ^

L2612[20:50:28] <LordFokas> I know, but it was an estimated value for a real situation

L2613[20:50:30] <Zaggy1024> it may have been somewhat true of the initially released vanilla format, but not of Forge blockstates and predicate blockstates in 1.9

L2614[20:50:51] <LordFokas> you must be fun at parties

L2615[20:51:07] <Zaggy1024> I don't like fear, uncertainty and doubt crap unless it's true :P

L2616[20:51:18] <williewillus> that "real situation" was resolved by the forge format 1 year ago

L2617[20:51:19] <williewillus> +

L2618[20:51:33] <williewillus> and then mostly again by the 1.9 format

L2619[20:51:36] <LordFokas> I know that

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L2621[20:52:05] <LordFokas> what I meant is that they could have improved to that system at once

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L2623[20:52:15] <williewillus> and delayed the update even more?

L2624[20:52:23] <williewillus> people were already about to tear them apart for the lack of content

L2625[20:52:55] <LordFokas> s/content/copying mod ideas :p

L2626[20:53:28] <LordFokas> bad idea. I shouldn't be touching that point :o

L2627[20:53:32] <Zaggy1024> lol you really seem to hate Mojang :P

L2628[20:53:43] <williewillus> yeah why do you even play the game if you hate it so much

L2629[20:53:58] <LordFokas> let's say I have a low tolerance :p

L2630[20:53:59] <williewillus> and they have every right to do that :P

L2631[20:54:12] <LordFokas> oh no, I love the game, it's amazing

L2632[20:54:27] <LordFokas> of course I find vanilla mostly unplayable

L2633[20:54:37] <Zaggy1024> there are so many mods that I'd guess it's difficult *not* to copy one mod or another with anything in the Overworld :P

L2634[20:54:43] <williewillus> yeah...

L2635[20:54:55] <camelron> hello

L2636[20:55:00] <Zaggy1024> uh, hello

L2637[20:55:14] <williewillus> also a big proportion of mods are even worse than vanilla content and stability wise

L2638[20:55:45] <Zaggy1024> especially when they add features rather than blocks and items..

L2639[20:55:52] <Zaggy1024> like dual wielding

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L2641[20:56:08] <Zaggy1024> there's probably no way a mod could do that properly :P

L2642[20:56:17] <camelron> do you guys have any recommendations for sources to learn modding?

L2643[20:56:21] <Zaggy1024> (IIRC there was a mod for it, but I'd guess it was a massive hack)

L2644[20:56:25] <TehNut> source code of other mods

L2645[20:56:36] <camelron> I have tried interpreting thaumcraft and tinkers construct source

L2646[20:56:40] <Zaggy1024> but if you don't know Java then first you should learn Java :P

L2647[20:56:44] <LordFokas> pistons was a mod before it was vanilla, in a time when mods weren't really abundant (1.7 beta)

L2648[20:56:58] <TehNut> TC is closed source, so looking at decompiled code probably isn't the best way to learn

L2649[20:57:00] <camelron> but I dont understand how the game differentiates between proxies on the @Sidedproxy thing

L2650[20:57:07] <TehNut> Thaumic Tinkerer is kinda all over the place

L2651[20:57:09] <williewillus> hold on link coming

L2652[20:57:19] <williewillus> mcforge.readthedocs.io/en/latest/concepts/sides/

L2653[20:57:20] <williewillus> read

L2654[20:57:21] <Zaggy1024> well pistons were one of the best ideas anyone came up with for Minecraft, you can't blame them for adding them :P

L2655[20:57:24] <williewillus> also yes learn java

L2656[20:57:45] <LordFokas> and then villagers

L2657[20:57:47] <LordFokas> and potions

L2658[20:57:51] <LordFokas> and enchantments

L2659[20:58:27] <capitalthree> and then learn kotlin!

L2660[20:58:43] <williewillus> uhhh what

L2661[20:58:43] <LordFokas> since pistons the rest of the beta was pretty much "oh, nice mod idea! We'll take it!"

L2662[20:58:51] <Nosirrom> wow I finally learned how to do quaternions and rotate parts of a model independently of the other parts

L2663[20:59:16] <BlackSpark> Is Kotlin supported by MC Forge? I didn't think it was

L2664[20:59:20] <williewillus> yes

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L2666[20:59:23] <LordFokas> but I don't find that to be a problem

L2667[20:59:35] <Zaggy1024> Awards.award(capitalthree, Awards.RANDOM_INTERJECTION, AwardLevels.PLATINUM);

L2668[20:59:41] <capitalthree> well it's not "supported" in any direct way but kotlin works great for minecraft modding

L2669[20:59:54] <capitalthree> scala is supported! but that's more of a learning curve

L2670[21:00:06] <capitalthree> whereas kotlin actually makes java easier in several ways :P

L2671[21:00:28] <capitalthree> Zaggy1024: thanks :D

L2672[21:00:38] <LordFokas> capitalthree, doesn't kotlin have the same kind of horrible syntax as scala?

L2673[21:00:57] <capitalthree> LordFokas: I would say kotlin is much closer to java

L2674[21:01:15] <capitalthree> but if you want the closest good jvm language to java syntax, you might like ceylon even more

L2675[21:01:27] <capitalthree> especially the "Type identifier" declaration syntax

L2676[21:01:35] <LordFokas> not that java has a great syntax

L2677[21:01:49] <LordFokas> but you know :p

L2678[21:02:05] * LordFokas complains a lot

L2679[21:02:29] <BlackSpark> LordFokas: What would you say is horrible about Scala syntax?

L2680[21:02:55] <LordFokas> I find it hard to read

L2681[21:03:23] <BlackSpark> Fair enough

L2682[21:03:32] <Zaggy1024> ugh, I don't like it when semicolons are optional

L2683[21:03:40] <LordFokas> ^

L2684[21:03:49] <Zaggy1024> I'd rather have them mandatorily removed or forced

L2685[21:03:58] <Zaggy1024> because otherwise it becomes another style choice

L2686[21:04:35] <LordFokas> the first time I saw Kotlin I was about to give an Android workshop with one of my teachers

L2687[21:04:40] <LordFokas> a few weeks ago

L2688[21:05:15] <Zaggy1024> what the hell does a "package level function" compile to?

L2689[21:05:25] <LordFokas> and when he didn't put semicolons on his code I told him "your lack of semicolons disturbs me"

L2690[21:05:29] <Zaggy1024> a generated class with a static function?

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L2692[21:05:43] <Zaggy1024> lol

L2693[21:05:46] <LordFokas> to which he replied "yeah, they're optional"

L2694[21:06:28] <LordFokas> and I instinctively put on my worst disgust face and said "OH GOD NO!" louder than even I expected

L2695[21:07:38] <LordFokas> Zaggy1024, dafuq are package level functions? O.o

L2696[21:07:59] <Zaggy1024> I'm curious, would you be all right with a language that won't compile with line-ending semicolons?

L2697[21:08:39] <Zaggy1024> apparently Kotlin allows functions outside the class declaration...

L2698[21:08:49] <Zaggy1024> I just don't know how that would compile

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L2700[21:09:31] <Zaggy1024> I guess files don't directly correspond to classes?

L2701[21:10:52] <LordFokas> I'm alright with many things, but I prefer to work with sane languages

L2702[21:11:03] <capitalthree> LordFokas: I have noticed that 99% of the time, "foo has awful syntax" is code for "foo differs from what I'm used to" :P

L2703[21:11:37] <capitalthree> Zaggy1024: semicolons are not a style choice in scala. if you use semicolons when you don't need them, you will get made fun of

L2704[21:11:47] <Zaggy1024> but in kotlin?

L2705[21:11:56] <capitalthree> semicolons are allowed for when you need them *within* a line

L2706[21:12:00] <capitalthree> same in kotlin

L2707[21:12:10] <Zaggy1024> then it's not "optional" :P

L2708[21:12:15] <Zaggy1024> it's "discouraged"

L2709[21:12:29] <capitalthree> it's both

L2710[21:12:39] <capitalthree> but most importantly, semicolons still exist for a reason

L2711[21:12:45] <capitalthree> just not to go at the ends of lines

L2712[21:12:53] <LordFokas> to me the lack of a semicolon means "but wait, there's more" and a semicolon means "end of instruction"

L2713[21:12:57] <Zaggy1024> discouraged implies optional :P

L2714[21:13:24] <LordFokas> for example, I run a lot of control structures with no braces

L2715[21:13:30] <capitalthree> Zaggy1024: the compiler generates classes that aren't explicitly written in your code

L2716[21:13:36] <capitalthree> to answer your other question

L2717[21:14:04] <Zaggy1024> mmh

L2718[21:14:15] <LordFokas> and sometimes shove more than one thing on the same line, depending on what is nicely readable

L2719[21:14:24] <Zaggy1024> I don't really like when it does that :P

L2720[21:14:36] <capitalthree> LordFokas: "to me" should be "to me, as someone who's used to java syntax"

L2721[21:14:40] <Zaggy1024> how does Java interact with package-level functions then?

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L2723[21:15:03] <LordFokas> capitalthree, Java, C, PHP, JS

L2724[21:15:23] <capitalthree> Zaggy1024: java does not call your package-level functions

L2725[21:15:27] <LordFokas> ewww, PHP. :c

L2726[21:15:28] <capitalthree> LordFokas: js has mandatory semicolons?

L2727[21:15:39] <LordFokas> I don't think so

L2728[21:15:42] <Zaggy1024> not by default

L2729[21:15:48] <Zaggy1024> strict mode? not sure, actually

L2730[21:15:52] <capitalthree> :P

L2731[21:16:04] <LordFokas> I think strict mode enforces semicolons at line endings

L2732[21:16:26] <LordFokas> line as in instruction

L2733[21:16:29] <Cypher121> Zaggy1024: package-level compiles to class <filename>Kt.class with statics

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L2735[21:17:04] <Zaggy1024> lol and what if you try to declare Kt? :P

L2736[21:17:10] <Cypher121> you can change that with @file:JvmName and @file:JvmMultifileClass, iirc

L2737[21:17:11] <capitalthree> that would be pretty laughable, if javascript strict mode just means you need semicolons :D

L2738[21:17:21] <capitalthree> type annotations? nah. semicolons

L2739[21:17:21] <Cypher121> they get merged?

L2740[21:17:21] <Zaggy1024> that's of course not all it does...

L2741[21:17:25] <williewillus> kotlin just doesnt impress me that much as a language :P

L2742[21:17:47] <Zaggy1024> strict mode makes re-declaring variables illegal among other bad things

L2743[21:17:49] <LordFokas> capitalthree, strict mode in JS just means you have to use some decent practices

L2744[21:18:03] <capitalthree> LordFokas: like not writing javascript?

L2745[21:18:04] <williewillus> if i wanted the java + a billion other bells and whistles i would use scala

L2746[21:18:20] <capitalthree> williewillus: kotlin's job is to be a s

L2747[21:18:24] <capitalthree> williewillus: kotlin's job is to be a short step from java

L2748[21:18:26] <Zaggy1024> why does everyone hate JavaScript? :P

L2749[21:18:32] <LordFokas> apart from JS not knowing what "this" means, I find it a rather nice language!!

L2750[21:18:32] <williewillus> it's a bad language ;p

L2751[21:18:35] <capitalthree> not a learning curve like scala

L2752[21:18:41] <capitalthree> it's bad how?

L2753[21:18:48] <capitalthree> give mde one way it's worse than java

L2754[21:18:51] <Cypher121> that's the thing, you don't get a billion of stuff. it's not an overhaul, more of an addition to java

L2755[21:18:58] <Ordinastie_> will you fucking stop with your language arguments?

L2756[21:19:03] <Ordinastie_> noone fucking care

L2757[21:19:08] <Cypher121> wat

L2758[21:19:12] <williewillus> apparently we care enough to banter about it

L2759[21:19:14] <capitalthree> Ordinastie_: except all the people arguing :P

L2760[21:19:15] <williewillus> so just chill out

L2761[21:19:16] <williewillus> :P

L2762[21:19:17] <Cypher121> if no one cared, we wouldn't argue

L2763[21:19:23] <LordFokas> ^

L2764[21:19:31] <Zaggy1024> I'm not arguing :)

L2765[21:19:35] <Ordinastie_> every fucking day

L2766[21:19:36] <williewillus> me neither

L2767[21:19:38] <Ordinastie_> seriously

L2768[21:19:40] <Tazz> capitalthree, undefined != undefined

L2769[21:19:52] <williewillus> because everyone in the chan has to cater to what kind of conversations you want to see

L2770[21:20:03] <capitalthree> Tazz: do you mean null?

L2771[21:20:19] <Zaggy1024> I think he's thinking of JavaScript

L2772[21:20:23] <Zaggy1024> probably

L2773[21:20:29] <Cypher121> can't you also define undefined?

L2774[21:21:00] <LordFokas> in js, ([]+{}) != ({}+[])

L2775[21:21:02] <Tazz> capitalthree, you asked a way js is wose than java jah?

L2776[21:21:19] <capitalthree> Tazz: no, why kotlin is worse than java

L2777[21:21:28] <capitalthree> Tazz: I'm not questioning that js is a trainwreck :D

L2778[21:21:33] <Cypher121> LordFokas: that's because {} is ambiguous between being an object or a block of code

L2779[21:21:39] <LordFokas> one is an object, the other is something I no longer remember

L2780[21:21:46] <Tazz> capitalthree, haha okasy but js is like shit

L2781[21:21:55] <Zaggy1024> I didn't ask why JS was worse than Java... Java and JavaScript are entirely different

L2782[21:22:07] <williewillus> thats why we use lisps where syntactical forms are just data ;)

L2783[21:22:08] <capitalthree> Tazz: agreed. better than php but worse than python

L2784[21:22:17] <capitalthree> and i'm not a python fan either xD

L2785[21:22:22] <Tazz> haha

L2786[21:22:26] <LordFokas> Cypher121, no, it's an object in both situations, but order matters when adding

L2787[21:22:39] <Tazz> capitalthree, i 100% agree haha

L2788[21:23:00] <Tazz> they are all shit

L2789[21:23:15] <Tazz> but php < js < python all day

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L2791[21:23:18] <LordFokas> capitalthree, everything is better than PHP

L2792[21:23:57] <LordFokas> JS is pretty tame compared to the sheer horror PHP is.

L2793[21:24:48] <capitalthree> Tazz: and python < java < kotlin < scala

L2794[21:25:13] <capitalthree> but scala is a bigger divergence. it's easier to suggest java programmers should all switch to kotlin, than scala

L2795[21:25:14] <Tazz> capitalthree, lol idk much about kotlin but i can concyr with that

L2796[21:25:40] <capitalthree> actually ceylon is super cool and I wish it were more popular

L2797[21:25:51] <capitalthree> has a similar design goal to kotlin as far as what it offers

L2798[21:26:01] <capitalthree> but keeps the syntax more java-lover-friendly

L2799[21:26:07] <Tazz> redhat did a nice job with ceylon

L2800[21:26:17] <LordFokas> what I find even worse is that apparently if you want to be a backend web dev in my country, you must master PHP and some framework... commonly Laravel

L2801[21:26:18] <Cypher121> also scala doesn't mix nearly as well with java

L2802[21:26:43] <Cypher121> LordFokas: run from that country

L2803[21:27:03] <Tazz> hmmm maybe I should add dynamic typing to Eschelle >:

L2804[21:27:05] <LordFokas> oh and also my teachers at uni actually PRAISE php and laravel

L2805[21:27:16] <Tazz> :>(

L2806[21:27:29] <Tazz> god I cant type tonight haha

L2807[21:27:37] <capitalthree> Cypher121: yeah that, very good point

L2808[21:27:42] <capitalthree> scala is great for new projects

L2809[21:27:52] <capitalthree> kotlin is great for interoperating in a java ecosystem

L2810[21:27:59] <LordFokas> and I'm all like "how the fuck did you even graduate and get a master's degree and a PhD you <insert large array of insults here>" inside my head

L2811[21:28:21] <capitalthree> inb4 "well java's great for interoperating in a java ecosystem too"

L2812[21:28:49] <Tazz> capitalthree, clojure is another that is interesting since we are talking JVM languages

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L2815[21:29:04] <capitalthree> Tazz: boo :P static typing or bust

L2816[21:29:06] <Cypher121> clojure is dynamically typed

L2817[21:29:10] <Cypher121> end of the line

L2818[21:29:16] <Tazz> capitalthree, I love clojure haha

L2819[21:29:23] <Tazz> kawa-scheme is better

L2820[21:29:33] <Tazz> tis why I wanted to write my computer mod in Kawa

L2821[21:29:34] <capitalthree> Tazz: you lisp nostalgiaphiles

L2822[21:30:05] <Tazz> capitalthree, cant be nostalgic when your like 40 years over when the language came out XD

L2823[21:30:07] <williewillus> i haven't actually learned it yet but I really like how clojure looks :P

L2824[21:30:18] <williewillus> not literally looks

L2825[21:30:21] <williewillus> but like how thelanguage works

L2826[21:30:36] <Tazz> williewillus, it will change your world

L2827[21:30:45] <Tazz> any varitation of lisp would

L2828[21:30:53] <BlackSpark> I've taken a look at Clojure and it's pretty incomprehensible to me.

L2829[21:31:00] <williewillus> why's that? :P

L2830[21:31:02] <Tazz> (+ 10 10 10) vs 10 + 10 + 10 is beautiful

L2831[21:31:06] <williewillus> i find it pretty understandable

L2832[21:31:16] <williewillus> prefix notation takes about 5 minutes to get used to to be honest

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L2834[21:31:30] <BlackSpark> I guess I haven't taken those 5 minutes =P

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L2836[21:31:42] <Cypher121> different glyphs for different types are bad

L2837[21:31:53] <Cypher121> like (...) is a function call

L2838[21:31:57] <Cypher121> '(...) is a list

L2839[21:32:10] <Cypher121> #(...) is a lambda

L2840[21:32:12] <Tazz> Cypher121, and?

L2841[21:32:12] <Cypher121> and so on

L2842[21:32:19] <Tazz> how is that bad?

L2843[21:32:37] <BlackSpark> williewillus: Its syntax just seems very different from other languages I've seen -- Python, Lua, Scala, Java, Kotlin, etc

L2844[21:32:42] <BlackSpark> Maybe I'll take some time to learn it in the future.

L2845[21:32:45] <williewillus> thats with any lisp :P

L2846[21:32:52] <Tazz> BlackSpark, probably because its lisp and not a C-family language XD

L2847[21:33:14] <BlackSpark> That would make sense haha

L2848[21:33:28] <capitalthree> Tazz: I'll accept lisp syntax, I'm the last person to fuss with syntax. s-expressions are a neat format. but we need a statically typed lisp

L2849[21:33:32] <williewillus> do those first two count as "C-family"? :P

L2850[21:33:42] <Tazz> williewillus, no

L2851[21:33:55] <Tazz> they are relatively different from C-family languages

L2852[21:34:03] <capitalthree> sounds like Cypher121 doesn't love perl :P

L2853[21:34:04] <Tazz> Python would be the closest though

L2854[21:34:12] <Cypher121> I FUCKING HATE PERL

L2855[21:34:16] <capitalthree> xD

L2856[21:34:23] <williewillus> ive never used perl

L2857[21:34:26] <capitalthree> I don't hate it that much but perl is a bit of a mess

L2858[21:34:33] <williewillus> what is it used for?

L2859[21:34:35] <Tazz> I read in a book experpt once that perl is just snooping swearing

L2860[21:34:38] <Cypher121> my @a = ...

L2861[21:34:40] <Tazz> williewillus, text processing

L2862[21:34:41] <Cypher121> a is a list

L2863[21:34:54] <Tazz> general purpose was intended but it got good at text processing

L2864[21:34:55] <capitalthree> perl is a language with some neat features for text and stream type stuff

L2865[21:34:56] <Cypher121> if you want an element of list @a, it's now $a[1]

L2866[21:34:59] <capitalthree> but a messy syntax

L2867[21:35:16] <capitalthree> and of course dynamically typed

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L2869[21:35:33] <Tazz> Cypher121, at least its not C/C++ with Any** array = malloc(sizeof(Any*) * 10);

L2870[21:35:47] <Tazz> then access it through either array[0] or *array

L2871[21:35:47] <Cypher121> any?

L2872[21:36:03] <Tazz> Cypher121, assuming Any is a type

L2873[21:36:18] <Tazz> I just used any because thats the root type in Eschelle and Im used to typing it XD

L2874[21:36:20] <capitalthree> Tazz: you don't use malloc in proper c++

L2875[21:36:26] <Tazz> capitalthree, ik

L2876[21:36:31] <capitalthree> :P

L2877[21:36:34] <Tazz> but you can

L2878[21:36:41] <capitalthree> you can do lots of things

L2879[21:36:41] <Tazz> and you can do some fancy stuff with it

L2880[21:36:55] <capitalthree> but it's very unfair to use it as an example of c++

L2881[21:36:58] <capitalthree> when c++ has new

L2882[21:37:50] <Tazz> capitalthree, extremely useful feature of using malloc of new in C++: v

L2883[21:37:51] <Tazz> https://github.com/Eschelle/Eschelle/blob/0.1/Sources/any.cc#L127

L2884[21:38:29] <Tazz> https://github.com/Eschelle/Eschelle/blob/0.1/Sources/assembler.cc#L17 this too

L2885[21:38:37] <williewillus> www.cdecl.org :D

L2886[21:38:39] <Tazz> https://github.com/Eschelle/Eschelle/blob/0.1/Sources/assembler.h#L41

L2887[21:38:46] <williewillus> i wish there was a c++ version of taht site

L2888[21:38:54] <williewillus> with support for method declarations too because whew

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L2890[21:40:18] <BlackSpark> Is there a better/more concise way to do what I've written here: http://pastebin.com/Fd9fVHB3 ?

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L2893[21:41:37] <Ordinastie_> cache the state into a variable

L2894[21:41:45] <Ordinastie_> don't call getActualState

L2895[21:42:09] <capitalthree> yeah what Ordinastie_ said

L2896[21:42:16] <capitalthree> I was gonna give the same advice

L2897[21:42:19] <Ordinastie_> https://github.com/Ordinastie/MalisisCore/blob/1.9/src/main/java/net/malisis/core/util/TileEntityUtils.java#L121-L122

L2898[21:42:32] <capitalthree> well the caching part

L2899[21:42:56] <BlackSpark> Thanks!

L2900[21:43:26] <LordFokas> williewillus, cdecl just warped my mind

L2901[21:43:38] <williewillus> lol

L2902[21:44:14] <williewillus> wtf is this one

L2903[21:44:15] <Tazz> lol

L2904[21:44:18] <williewillus> put "cast foo into block(int, long long) returning double" into the box

L2905[21:44:24] <williewillus> i've never seen that before 0.o

L2906[21:45:00] <williewillus> oh its a fp derp

L2907[21:45:15] <williewillus> but idk the correspondence between block and ^

L2908[21:45:22] <Tazz> williewillus, nothing

L2909[21:45:39] <Tazz> my favourite cast ever (void*)

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L2911[21:46:22] <LordFokas> never seen that either

L2912[21:46:52] <Tazz> Im a heathen...my favourite C++ cast is reinterpret_cast

L2913[21:46:53] <Tazz> haha

L2914[21:47:01] <williewillus> same :P

L2915[21:47:24] <Tazz> I use it constantly in eschelle because Im constantly converting types into uintptr_t's

L2916[21:47:33] <Tazz> so I can load them into the JIT

L2917[21:49:30] <williewillus> i'm sad I didn't get into my uni's PL class next semester

L2918[21:49:34] <williewillus> literally filled up within minutes

L2919[21:49:46] <Tazz> PL class?

L2920[21:50:17] <Tazz> also another useful cast: reinterpret_cast<void (*)(int, int)>();

L2921[21:50:26] <williewillus> programming languages

L2922[21:50:28] <Tazz> or ofc whatever the params may be XD

L2923[21:50:59] <Tazz> williewillus, oh lol

L2924[21:51:04] <Tazz> whats that?

L2925[21:51:13] <Tazz> like compiler design or something?

L2926[21:51:36] <Tazz> <-- would totally take that if he could

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L2928[21:53:20] <williewillus> its kinda broad, we have a specific compiler course iirc http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~tdillig/cs345H/ at the bottom

L2929[21:54:39] <Zaggy1024> wow, I've been trying to fix visual weirdness with the VBO clouds when vanilla is even worse off

L2930[21:55:34] <Zaggy1024> if you stand with the camera near plane between two clouds one face on the inside of one of the cloud disappears

L2931[21:55:49] <williewillus> yeah thats been known for like years I think, last time they tried to fix it

L2932[21:55:52] <williewillus> it murdered performance

L2933[21:55:55] <williewillus> so they reverted it :P

L2934[21:55:57] <Zaggy1024> haha

L2935[21:55:58] <williewillus> 1.5 i think

L2936[21:56:04] <Zaggy1024> I wonder what they did

L2937[21:56:09] <williewillus> its within top 5 on the tracker

L2938[21:56:32] <williewillus> people get annoyed by clouds I guess :P

L2939[21:56:37] <williewillus> first think i turn off when I start a new instance

L2940[21:57:34] <williewillus> oh nvm its not in the top 5, it's #28

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L2942[22:00:00] <Zaggy1024> er

L2943[22:00:01] <Zaggy1024> link?

L2944[22:00:10] <Zaggy1024> you don't mean this do you? https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-997

L2945[22:00:14] <Zaggy1024> that's a different bug

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L2947[22:03:42] <BlackSpark> My block's texture is only updating when I place (or remove) an adjacent block. worldObj.notifyBlockUpdate(...) doesn't seem to be doing it.

L2948[22:03:55] <williewillus> what are you passing to the flag

L2949[22:04:07] <BlackSpark> 0

L2950[22:04:09] <williewillus> it needs to be 8 (or anything with the fourth bit set)

L2951[22:04:31] <BlackSpark> Alright, thank you!

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L2959[22:39:55] <Nosirrom> I thought I understood quaternions but I clearly don't

L2960[22:40:27] <Nosirrom> matrices will probably be easier

L2961[22:45:46] <BlackSpark> That didn't work... Neither did markAndNotifyBlock. I tried both methods with the flags 3, 8, and 16. Still needs a block change near it.

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L2963[22:46:46] <williewillus> is this 1.9?

L2964[22:46:58] <williewillus> are you syncing whatever data changes the rendering to the client? idk

L2965[22:47:11] <BlackSpark> Yes, it is 1.9

L2966[22:47:12] <williewillus> where are you trying to trigger this update

L2967[22:48:00] <BlackSpark> In a method called addPower. Let me get you the file...

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L2970[22:48:59] <BlackSpark> https://github.com/BlackSpark644/upower/blob/master/src/main/scala/me/jonak/upower/block/tileentities/TilePowerBank.scala

L2971[22:50:27] <williewillus> i hope you are not trying to trigger a rerender every time your block receives power that will lag like ass :D

L2972[22:50:28] <williewillus> oh

L2973[22:50:33] <williewillus> you are :P

L2974[22:50:38] <williewillus> but yeah idk that should work

L2975[22:51:28] <BlackSpark> Yup, I'm very much a modding newbie. I'm going for "working" first, then optimization haha

L2976[22:51:29] <Ordinastie_> also, why are you passing the actual state ?

L2977[22:52:11] <BlackSpark> I tried passing the same state for both, but that didn't seem to work.

L2978[22:52:13] <williewillus> every time a block state changes in a way that needs to rerender and you aren't using a tesr the entire 16^3 chunk section has to be rerendered

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L2980[22:52:39] <williewillus> thats why pistons/vanilla redstone lag like there's no tomorrow :P

L2981[22:53:27] <BlackSpark> Duly noted

L2982[22:53:58] <BlackSpark> Is there any documentation for those flags? Or is it just trial and error until something works?

L2983[22:54:08] <williewillus> its a bitfield, but 8 shouldve worked

L2984[22:54:22] <Ordinastie_> I use 3 and it works

L2985[22:54:33] <williewillus> for notfiyBlockUpdate? 0.o

L2986[22:54:44] <williewillus> vanilla code only ever checks the fourth bit for this call

L2987[22:54:49] <Ordinastie_> yup

L2988[22:54:52] <williewillus> 3 is the same thing as 0

L2989[22:54:54] <williewillus> in this case

L2990[22:55:06] <Ordinastie_> still triggers a rerender

L2991[22:55:13] <williewillus> interesting

L2992[22:55:17] <Ordinastie_> I think

L2993[22:55:26] <williewillus> i doubt it but i dont want to test it right now :P

L2994[22:55:48] <Ordinastie_> maybe I'm wrong, I don't know, and I don't want to check either :p

L2995[22:56:39] <williewillus> nighty night lol

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L2997[22:58:14] <Nosirrom> haha! with enough fuckery my model is rendering exactly how I want it

L2998[23:02:07] <BlackSpark> I just tried calling notifyBlockUpdate with 3, 8, and 16 at once, and none of them had the desired effect. The server and client were definitely exchanging information. I dunno what to think... even so, thank you all so much for your help!

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L3003[23:09:35] <McJty> Can IMCEvent and FMLInterModComms.sendFunctionMessage both client and server side?

L3004[23:09:48] <McJty> 'be used'

L3005[23:12:12] <Cypher121> is getExtendedState necessary for blocks with obj models?

L3006[23:12:33] <McJty> No

L3007[23:12:45] <McJty> Only if you need extended state in your bakedmodel

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L3009[23:13:06] <Cypher121> I don't, I just need to display one textured object

L3010[23:15:08] <Cypher121> is "material_name": "texture_path" enough to bind a texture map?

L3011[23:15:31] <McJty> I think so

L3012[23:16:19] <Cypher121> then I guess my obj didn't have uv mapping

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L3017[23:40:00] <Nosirrom> dodge and burn are my new friends in gimp, an easy way to not have your texture colours all lookalike

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L3020[23:49:48] <Tazz> Nosirrom, lol

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