OCLogs: 2016-03-04.log

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L10[00:20:09] <luacs1998> is there a World.LoadComplete event?

L11[00:20:21] <Xain> trying to find some documentation on loading / using obj files and animations

L12[00:20:44] <Cazzar> IIRC obj doesn't support animation :P

L13[00:21:03] <Xain> well not nessicarlly in that order per say animation can be for regular blocks

L14[00:21:22] <Xain> eg blcok state files or even a custom opengl drawing if thats possible

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L17[00:25:01] <Cazzar> Minecraft had some basic animation stuff there previously at least.

L18[00:26:20] <Xain> hmm what about objs and texture animation any ideas on that

L19[00:27:30] <Cazzar> That

L20[00:27:38] <Cazzar> is more a question for fry|sleep

L21[00:28:05] <Xain> fair enough :)

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L23[00:28:08] <Xain> thanks

L24[00:34:16] <RANKSHANK> Xain actually It may be something for shadekiller since he wrote the obj implementation. I doubt that obj animation is supported though- you'll probably need to manually animate in your TESR instances

L25[00:34:43] <Xain> which i am fine with

L26[00:35:13] <Xain> thanks RANKSHANK really its just find documentation on things like TESR and obj stuff that i have not had an easy time finding something to date

L27[00:35:16] <Xain> up to date*

L28[00:35:50] <RANKSHANK> Well docs on 1.8.8+ are pretty sparse

L29[00:35:59] <RANKSHANK> it's changing pretty fast these days

L30[00:36:01] <RANKSHANK> kinda :P

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L32[00:36:39] <Xain> yeah im not surprised though to be honest was just hoping, i found some sort of sample in the Forge source ill have to pour over

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L36[00:37:52] <RANKSHANK> yeah that's mostly what you've to go off of, just pouring through people's gits :P

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L40[00:46:38] <Xain> RANKSHANK, and just hoping its up to date itself LOL

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L42[00:47:28] <Cazzar> Or not done in some fucked up abstract way :P

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L44[00:53:17] <Naji> Anyine here?

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L47[01:02:09] <killjoy> So something's happening. https://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/comments/48t614/searge_seems_to_be_announcing_something_soon_what/

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L49[01:03:24] <killjoy> is he making the new curse?

L50[01:04:25] <Xain> oh an killjoy you can setup your source as a module in intellij you just have to make the forge lib a provider and have your mod code be a dependancy of the forge project generated by gradle.. just thought id let you know it works since i was talking about that with you the other day

L51[01:05:19] <killjoy> that's not how I would've done it, but ok

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L53[01:06:29] <Xain> well its not how i have it right now just saying it can be done that way

L54[01:08:00] <killjoy> huh. wasn't expecting him to fork my mods

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L56[01:12:35] <Ordinastie> ok, it's getting weirder : java.lang.AbstractMethodError: net.malisis.core.MalisisRegistry$$Lambda$6/1470257601.func_178113_a(Lnet/minecraft/item/ItemStack;)Lnet/minecraft/client/resources/model/ModelResourceLocation; :x

L57[01:12:58] <Ordinastie> !gm func_178113_a

L58[01:13:49] <killjoy> ame is usually when a class gets updated (new abstract method added), but subclasses don't.

L59[01:14:35] <Ordinastie> that's the lambda in question : https://github.com/Ordinastie/MalisisCore/blob/1.8.9/src/main/java/net/malisis/core/MalisisRegistry.java#L511

L60[01:15:37] <killjoy> weird

L61[01:15:44] <Ordinastie> killjoy, question, how do I fix it ?

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L63[01:15:57] <killjoy> try cleaning?

L64[01:16:07] <Ordinastie> cleaning ?

L65[01:16:13] <killjoy> idea right?

L66[01:16:25] <Ordinastie> no, it doesn't happen in dev

L67[01:16:28] <Ordinastie> it's a report I got

L68[01:16:39] <killjoy> maybe something related to the lambda

L69[01:16:40] <Ordinastie> (and no, eclipse :p)

L70[01:16:43] <killjoy> obfuscation?

L71[01:17:41] <killjoy> can I get the class file?

L72[01:17:46] <killjoy> The obfuscated one

L73[01:18:21] <Ordinastie> which class ?

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L75[01:18:29] <killjoy> MalisisRegistry

L76[01:18:30] <McJty> Be careful with lambda's to vanilla MC functions

L77[01:18:36] <killjoy> ^

L78[01:18:37] <McJty> There are many cases where they only work in dev

L79[01:18:47] <Ordinastie> I see that :x

L80[01:18:48] <McJty> Caused by (I think) a bug in ForgeGradle

L81[01:18:55] <killjoy> Try creating a wrapper? or use a anonymous class

L82[01:19:03] <Ordinastie> yeah, I'll test that

L83[01:19:04] <McJty> An anonymous class for those cases is best

L84[01:19:40] <killjoy> but lambdas

L85[01:19:51] <killjoy> what's the point in java 8 if you're using a bunch of anons

L86[01:19:53] <killjoy> lol

L87[01:20:04] <McJty> Well it is only when interfacing with vanilla classes

L88[01:20:12] <McJty> I avoid them there but elsewhere I use them freely

L89[01:20:12] <killjoy> yup

L90[01:20:33] <killjoy> i wonder what causes it

L91[01:20:39] <killjoy> iff we knew, it would get fixed

L92[01:20:59] <McJty> I think there is an issue on the forgegradle open for this

L93[01:21:03] <McJty> But not sure where that is

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L95[01:23:09] <Ordinastie> well, I do have a warning when building for 1.8.9, but I don't think it was related to that

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L97[01:23:44] <Ordinastie> it's not related but still weird :

L98[01:23:46] <Ordinastie> java.lang.RuntimeException: Null method binding! private void Placement(IPlacement placement){

L99[01:23:46] <Ordinastie> this.placement=placement;

L100[01:23:46] <Ordinastie> }

L101[01:24:22] <Ordinastie> cause by that : https://github.com/Ordinastie/MalisisCore/blob/1.8.9/src/main/java/net/malisis/core/block/component/DirectionalComponent.java#L68

L102[01:28:21] <Ordinastie> and right know, I would fucking murder the retard at mojang that thought that having to answer 3 FUCKING QUESTION as a requirement to log in was a good idea

L103[01:28:55] <McJty> What 3 questoins?

L104[01:29:09] <killjoy> WHAT is your quest

L105[01:29:27] <killjoy> what is your name

L106[01:29:31] <killjoy> what is your favorite color

L107[01:29:40] <Ordinastie> my quest is trying to launch MC

L108[01:29:45] <McJty> Where do those questions come from?

L109[01:29:47] <McJty> I never saw those

L110[01:29:51] <Ordinastie> the security questions

L111[01:29:51] <killjoy> monty python

L112[01:30:06] <Ordinastie> also that ^

L113[01:30:06] <killjoy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWS8Mg-JWSg

L114[01:30:16] <McJty> Yes I got the reference

L115[01:30:20] <McJty> Just never saw those questions

L116[01:30:25] <McJty> In MC context I mean

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L118[01:32:34] <Ordinastie> well, if you want to download MC, you need to log in

L119[01:32:57] <McJty> Downloading MC... Now that's something I haven't done in a while

L120[01:32:59] <Ordinastie> but to confirm it's really me that logs in, you have to answer the security questions

L121[01:33:01] <killjoy> what email? what password? what profile?

L122[01:33:32] <Ordinastie> first pet, which I can answer, but the other one, I have no fucking clue what I had wrote -_-

L123[01:33:41] <killjoy> oops :p

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L131[01:46:56] <Ordinastie> and because of that shit it took me that long to test at runtime the change for the lamda :x

L132[01:47:22] <Ordinastie> and yes, using anonymous class fixes it

L133[01:47:49] <unascribed> I don't think I've "secured" my account yet

L134[01:47:49] <unascribed> :D

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L136[01:47:53] <Ordinastie> that means rebuilding et rereleasing it :/

L137[01:48:07] <unascribed> oh, nope, I have

L138[01:48:08] <unascribed> damn it

L139[01:48:22] <unascribed> ARGH ALL THESE QUESTIONS HAVE CHANGED SINCE I SET THEM

L140[01:49:21] * unascribed sets about reverse-engineering the Mojang account API in the hopes of getting a way to un-"secure" your account

L141[01:49:52] <unascribed> since you can reset them so effortlessly through email

L142[01:50:01] <unascribed> why not set them to random data and abuse it as a way to do 2FA?

L143[01:50:43] <unascribed> why yes my favorite number is definitely this 200 character long random number

L144[01:52:39] <Ordinastie> unascribed, that one is easy, first 200 digits of PI :p

L145[01:52:56] <unascribed> actually

L146[01:53:01] <unascribed> I think I found a solution

L147[01:53:19] <unascribed> something like the hash of your decrypted private key

L148[01:53:23] <unascribed> that's something you will always have

L149[01:53:27] <unascribed> and you have to keep secret anyway

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L152[01:54:55] <Ordinastie> well, I don't know how reward is calculated for Curseforge, but if it's dependant on file upload, imma be rich!

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L154[01:59:59] <Cazzar> Ordinastie: and then tax

L155[02:00:01] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Pushing snapshot_20160304 mappings to Forge Maven.

L156[02:00:05] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Maven upload successful for mcp_snapshot-20160304-1.9.zip (mappings = "snapshot_20160304" in build.gradle).

L157[02:00:16] <MCPBot_Reborn> Semi-live (every 10 min), Snapshot (daily ~3:00 EST), and Stable (committed) MCPBot mapping exports can be found here: http://export.mcpbot.bspk.rs/

L158[02:01:35] <Naji> Hello

L159[02:02:15] <Cazzar> Hi

L160[02:02:29] <Naji> I am having trouble with getting my gui working.

L161[02:02:34] <Naji> It opens and then closes.

L162[02:02:46] <Ordinastie> Cazzar, I've yet to declare the money I make from curseforge :p

L163[02:03:01] <Cazzar> Ordinastie: that can be a problem :P

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L165[02:04:03] <Ordinastie> meh, moeny never reaches my bank account anyway

L166[02:04:15] <Cazzar> No, but Curse make you fill out the w8-ben when you reach a threashold :P

L167[02:05:30] <Ordinastie> yes, but that's only for tax compliance on their side

L168[02:05:32] <Cazzar> So, Ordinastie the tax company be like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-YNNJIe2Vk :P

L169[02:05:43] <Ordinastie> rah ><

L170[02:06:15] <Ordinastie> I doubt they'll compare my steam library to my income and find it doesn't match

L171[02:06:34] <Ordinastie> thanks to humble bundle, it's not possible \o/

L172[02:06:50] <Cazzar> Paypal money? :P

L173[02:06:53] <Ordinastie> yes

L174[02:07:26] <Ordinastie> I don't think they have access to paypal, do they? ><

L175[02:07:50] <Cazzar> It'd be a registed financial inst in france :P

L176[02:07:51] <Ordinastie> wait, you link the english version ? I was listening to it in korean :p

L177[02:08:06] <Cazzar> Ordinastie: yeah, an english cover :P

L178[02:09:41] <Ordinastie> I'm not really concerned : "oh, you didn't declare that income ? then now you will owe us... 0€ ? oh right, with that low of an income, you're still not taxable :x"

L179[02:10:13] <Cazzar> Minecraft modding, to my gov't could be considered another job for me :P

L180[02:10:22] <Cazzar> And therefore, taxable at a decent rate.

L181[02:10:51] <Ordinastie> in france, you need a minimum global income to be taxable at all

L182[02:11:14] <Cazzar> Then again, my other job, gets me over the taxable income.

L183[02:11:31] <Cazzar> https://www.ato.gov.au/rates/individual-income-tax-rates/ \o/

L184[02:11:49] <Ordinastie> yeah, advantages of being unemployed : you can mod all day, and you don't pay taxes :D

L185[02:12:04] <Cazzar> Advantages of being employed, money :P

L186[02:12:28] <Cazzar> Also, "Hello, IT, have you tried turning it off and on again"

L187[02:12:36] <Cazzar> - NBNCo debugging in a nutshell

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L189[02:13:59] <Ordinastie> fortunately, I had some money in reserve when I quit and I have quite a lowcost lifestyle

L190[02:14:20] <Ordinastie> advantages of barely any social life *_*

L191[02:14:34] <Ordinastie> afk hanging myself ><

L192[02:15:03] <unascribed> I now have a script to derive extremely long hex strings from a private key, passphrase, and website name

L193[02:16:03] <Ordinastie> the passphrase being the security question ?

L194[02:16:09] <Ordinastie> the key is you pwd I assume

L195[02:16:13] <unascribed> the passphrase is the passphrase for the key itself

L196[02:16:22] <unascribed> I mean a private key as in like an RSA key you use for SSH

L197[02:17:25] <unascribed> something you're inclined to keep safe and keep around

L198[02:17:41] <unascribed> because if you lose it or disclose it, you're royally screwed in many other ways as well

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L200[02:24:23] <McJty> sham1, here?

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L205[02:48:39] <Josephur> What's the best way to import a previous forge version project into a newer forge mdk eclipse instance ?

L206[02:48:53] <Josephur> copying the folders obviously doesn't do it correctly :/

L207[02:49:51] <Josephur> Import seems to not see the project

L208[02:52:34] <Josephur> Trying the archive method now.

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L210[02:55:38] <unascribed> first off the MDK isn't special

L211[02:55:47] <unascribed> it's just a pre-packaged Gradle project

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L213[02:55:56] <unascribed> so you can just edit the build.gradle to the new Forge version

L214[02:56:07] <unascribed> compare it with the one in the MDK so you know what changes to make

L215[02:56:27] <unascribed> then it's just a neverending game of "fix the compile errors" :P

L216[02:56:34] <Josephur> unascribed: will try, new to java/eclipse ;)

L217[02:57:02] <unascribed> oh, and you'll need to run setupDecompWorkspace/eclipse again

L218[02:57:10] <unascribed> after editing the build.gradle

L219[02:57:11] <Josephur> should I do that first ?

L220[02:57:17] <unascribed> no, after you edit it

L221[02:57:19] <Josephur> ohhh.. I see

L222[02:57:21] <unascribed> if you run it before editing it won't do anything

L223[02:57:46] <Josephur> let me backup my whole mdk folder before attempting :D

L224[02:58:41] <Josephur> version = "1.8.9-11.15.1.1764"

L225[02:58:45] <Josephur> so that's it?

L226[02:58:53] <unascribed> what version are you updating from?

L227[02:59:00] <Josephur> 1762 to 1764

L228[02:59:05] <unascribed> oh, so the same mcversion

L229[02:59:08] <unascribed> then yes that's it

L230[02:59:19] <unascribed> you may also want to update your mappings

L231[02:59:21] <Josephur> ok rerunning workspace, celipse

L232[02:59:35] <unascribed> !!latest snapshot 1.8.9

L233[02:59:35] <MCPBot_Reborn> === Latest Mappings ===

L234[02:59:36] <MCPBot_Reborn> MC Version Forge Gradle Channel

L235[02:59:36] <MCPBot_Reborn> 1.8.9 snapshot_20160301

L236[02:59:44] <unascribed> man that is so spammy for just getting one mapping version

L237[03:00:05] <unascribed> (if you're doing lookups for yourself, use only one !)

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L239[03:00:55] <Josephur> ok so apparently trying to generalize my folder name at the same time is NOT a good idea

L240[03:01:01] <unascribed> what do you mean by that?

L241[03:01:18] <Josephur> well I was just unzipping the forge mdk into folders named after their exact version

L242[03:01:22] <Josephur> I've decided to no longer do that

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L244[03:01:27] <Josephur> so now its just forge-1.8.9

L245[03:01:30] <unascribed> OS?

L246[03:01:45] <Josephur> problem is eclipse is still looking for 1762, and can't find any of it now

L247[03:01:47] <unascribed> because if it's Windows, cmd's working directory uses the filename

L248[03:01:48] <unascribed> oh

L249[03:01:49] <unascribed> eclipse

L250[03:01:54] <Josephur> Resource '/MDKExample/src/main/java/com/stacktech/martian/Main.java' does not exist.

L251[03:01:59] <unascribed> yeah you'll need to update the path in eclipse

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L254[03:02:23] <Josephur> yes I'm looking for that setting

L255[03:02:26] <unascribed> minor nitpick, class names like "Main" are pretty unhelpful and generally you should use a name like "MartianMod" or "Martian"

L256[03:02:50] <unascribed> I think you need to delete the project and re-import it

L257[03:02:56] <unascribed> since you didn't use Eclipse's project migration feature

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L259[03:03:13] <unascribed> (deleting a project is completely harmless if you don't enable the option to also delete the data on disk)

L260[03:03:35] <Josephur> what's odd is, it's not even listing the mdk files in the project heirachy now

L261[03:03:51] <unascribed> wait, was your *workspace* inside the MDK?

L262[03:04:02] <Josephur> yes it was (don't worry I backed it all up)

L263[03:04:14] <unascribed> you'll need to restart Eclipse to change the workspace folder

L264[03:04:31] <unascribed> I recommend changing it to something like ~/workspace and importing the project

L265[03:04:38] <unascribed> makes it easier to manage multiple mods

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L267[03:05:05] <Josephur> Why is it when you go to import, and select forge-1.8.9xxxxxxxxxxx\eclipse folder

L268[03:05:09] <ThePsionic> i need help

L269[03:05:10] <Josephur> it never sees a project to import?

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L271[03:05:19] <unascribed> because that's not where the project is

L272[03:05:23] <unascribed> the eclipse folder is just a workspace

L273[03:05:25] <ThePsionic> i'm looking for that one video that's a talk about ruby and php

L274[03:05:28] <ThePsionic> it's titled "wat"

L275[03:05:30] <unascribed> import the parent directory

L276[03:05:30] <ThePsionic> but I can't find it

L277[03:05:34] <Josephur> ah...

L278[03:05:34] <unascribed> one second, ThePsionic

L279[03:05:39] <ThePsionic> :D

L280[03:05:59] <Josephur> Some projects cannot be imported because they already exist in the workspace or their project description file is corrupted

L281[03:05:59] <Josephur> Invalid project description.

L282[03:05:59] <Josephur> C:\MineCraft\dev\forge-1.8.9 overlaps the workspace location: C:\MineCraft\dev\forge-1.8.9\eclipse

L283[03:06:07] <unascribed> as I said

L284[03:06:10] <unascribed> change your workspace

L285[03:06:31] <Josephur> I'm so used to Visual Studio ;)

L286[03:06:47] <ThePsionic> nvm I found it

L287[03:06:49] <Josephur> I'll figure it out, let me go tinker and move the work space etc like you suggested

L288[03:06:57] <unascribed> I also found it

L289[03:07:03] <unascribed> it looks like it got taken off YouTube

L290[03:07:08] <unascribed> probably why you had trouble finding it

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L292[03:07:45] <unascribed> https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat by the way

L293[03:09:18] <Josephur> My problem is I don't understand Eclipses method of storing workspace/projects etc

L294[03:09:32] <unascribed> a workspace is a collection of metadata pointing to projects

L295[03:09:37] <unascribed> usually the workspace also contains the project folders

L296[03:09:39] <unascribed> but that's optional

L297[03:09:51] <Josephur> So I made a new empty folder, for a new workspace, imported my project, but now that I have a new workspace, it of course has no reference to the forge data it needs

L298[03:09:59] <unascribed> huh?

L299[03:10:07] <unascribed> the project data is kept in .classpath/.project files on the project itself

L300[03:11:05] <Josephur> I don't get why it's so hard to simply migrate a project to a new folder grrrr

L301[03:11:14] <unascribed> it's easy

L302[03:11:18] <unascribed> if you tell the IDE to do it

L303[03:14:50] <Josephur> starting all over

L304[03:14:53] <Josephur> I'm unpacking 1764 into a new folder just called forge-1.8.9 so from now on I can just change the build.gradle

L305[03:15:01] <Josephur> running decompworkspace, eclipse

L306[03:15:53] <Josephur> now I want to import the project from forge-1.8.9-11.15.1.1762-mdk folder

L307[03:16:01] <unascribed> just copy the src folder

L308[03:16:09] <Josephur> ok

L309[03:16:39] <Josephur> opening workspace C:\MineCraft\dev\forge-1.8.9\eclipse

L310[03:16:48] <Josephur> errors

L311[03:16:54] <Josephur> Resource '/.org.eclipse.jdt.core.external.folders' already exists.

L312[03:17:18] <Josephur> however, it looks ok :/

L313[03:18:00] <Josephur> and it compiles, so I'll just ignore that initial error

L314[03:18:27] <Josephur> that was the easiest method, without a doubt, thank you.

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L316[03:20:06] <Josephur> of course now I need to find where it puts the Minecraft instance so I can copy over my test world :D

L317[03:20:08] <Josephur> but that should be easy

L318[03:20:42] <Josephur> aha it's in \run

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L320[03:30:03] <Josephur> Thanks again unascribed :)

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L322[03:32:08] <unascribed> welcome

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L324[03:32:46] <Josephur> I hope next update it's as easy as editing the build.gradle, setting up workspace/eclipse :D

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L334[03:47:33] <mosez> damn, why didnt i ask directly here... do you offer some list of available forge versions? as json or xml?

L335[03:51:38] <Josephur> now I must learn how to use other mods APIs, woot :D

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L337[03:53:44] <Josephur> mosez: I was wondering that myself, would like to be able to pull latest forge version for scripting purposes (without scraping the page which is a nasty method)

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L340[03:55:20] <McJty> Launchers like MultiMC and CurseVoice can do it

L341[03:55:23] <McJty> So I guess there is a way

L342[03:55:27] <McJty> you could check the MultiMC source

L343[03:56:02] <Josephur> Looking now

L344[03:57:36] <Josephur> Might take a minute to sift through and find it

L345[03:59:21] <Matthew> mosez, http://files.minecraftforge.net/maven/net/minecraftforge/forge/json

L346[03:59:58] <Matthew> or if you only want the promos: http://files.minecraftforge.net/maven/net/minecraftforge/forge/promotions.json

L347[04:00:24] <Josephur> Well that was easy :)

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L350[04:01:43] <Josephur> If you WGET them I would suggest doing what this script I found does in regards to ADFLY

L351[04:01:45] <Josephur> # Do an Adf.ly request using Forge's ID so they don't get ripped off with us bypassing it

L352[04:01:45] <Josephur> ${WGET} -O - http://adf.ly/673885/${FORGE_DL} > adf.ly

L353[04:01:45] <Josephur> ${WGET} $FORGE_DL

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L357[04:06:35] <Josephur> seems legit :/

L358[04:12:14] <mosez> matthew: thanks, found it :)

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L369[05:20:48] <Cypher121> SUPER

L370[05:27:23] <TehNut> HOT

L371[05:27:52] <Cypher121> SUPER (yes, I knew there would be at least one person!)

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L378[05:55:22] <Lordmau5> HOT

L379[05:57:50] <RANKSHANK> wot

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L392[06:33:15] <PaleoCrafter> RANKSHANK, what has become of your glint PR?

L393[06:34:09] <RANKSHANK> died :P people messing with the GL state = bad

L394[06:34:50] <PaleoCrafter> How so?

L395[06:35:17] <PaleoCrafter> (I mean, who's messing with the state?)

L396[06:35:47] <RANKSHANK> well it opens it up

L397[06:36:10] <Ivorius> Sounds like something Lex would say

L398[06:37:37] <fry> actually I said it

L399[06:38:04] <Ivorius> What a twist!

L400[06:38:17] <fry> shamulamanan

L401[06:38:56] <Ivorius> Shyamalamadingdong *

L402[06:39:06] <ThePsionic> m. night shaymalan?

L403[06:39:26] <Ivorius> What is this, amateur hour?

L404[06:39:45] <RANKSHANK> haha could regress it but I'm playing with improvements in a coremod with the whole thing atm

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L406[06:40:51] <PaleoCrafter> It wasn't just passing a colour?

L407[06:40:53] <Ivorius> Oh, colored glint

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L409[06:40:58] <Ivorius> I implemented that once

L410[06:41:18] <PaleoCrafter> Oh, nvm, I see the problem

L411[06:41:30] <Ivorius> Not quite sure why your impl is so huge but mine was also a good while back :P

L412[06:42:59] <RANKSHANK> haha that's what I meant by regressing it :P I could step it back towards forcing glint usage but I'd want to reduce the impact of the effect passes if possible

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L442[08:15:13] <Josephur> Microsoft's Forge 1.8 template for Visual Studio is broken, go figure

L443[08:15:19] <Josephur> Thought I might use a more familiar IDE :D

L444[08:15:35] <gigaherz> well it was a 1.8 template

L445[08:15:39] <gigaherz> not 1.8.9 ;P

L446[08:15:49] <Josephur> Yeah but it would appear that making it 1.8.9 might not be too hard

L447[08:15:53] <Josephur> edit the gradle build.. etc

L448[08:15:56] <gigaherz> yup

L449[08:16:06] <Josephur> Severity Code Description Project File Line Suppression State

L450[08:16:06] <Josephur> Error The command "gradlew setupDecompWorkspace --refresh-dependencies" exited with code 1. MinecraftMod1 c:\users\josephur\documents\visual studio 2015\Projects\MinecraftMod1\packages\com.microsoft.minecraftmod.0.5.4.0\build\com.microsoft.minecraftmod.targets 10

L451[08:16:17] <Josephur> hmm

L452[08:16:28] <gigaherz> never used the VS templates myself

L453[08:16:29] <Josephur> let me go run it manually on the command prompt :D

L454[08:16:30] <gigaherz> and I love VS

L455[08:16:34] <gigaherz> just get IDEA

L456[08:16:34] <williewillus> uhh visual studio? :P

L457[08:16:39] <williewillus> oh yeah

L458[08:16:41] <williewillus> MS made a plugin

L459[08:16:43] <Josephur> I have Eclipse

L460[08:16:44] <gigaherz> yeh

L461[08:16:46] <williewillus> and probably forgot about it immediately

L462[08:16:49] <gigaherz> it runs eclipse on the background

L463[08:16:50] <Josephur> I want to see if I can get VS to do 1.8.9 :)

L464[08:16:52] <gigaherz> for intellisense andsuch

L465[08:16:59] <williewillus> then whats the point -.-

L466[08:17:06] <Josephur> familiarity

L467[08:17:11] <Josephur> for us C# developers ;)

L468[08:17:27] <gigaherz> as a C# developer, just get IDEA and use that ;P

L469[08:18:04] <gigaherz> I use IDEA with VS-style key bindings

L470[08:18:14] <Josephur> ohhh I know what the error is for

L471[08:18:23] <Josephur> it's because I manually set JAVA_HOME to JDK when I need to

L472[08:18:23] <Josephur> hahaha

L473[08:18:28] <Josephur> simple fix :D

L474[08:19:15] <Josephur> Now it works :)

L475[08:19:31] <gigaherz> :)

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L478[08:20:48] <Josephur> using a 2014-11-30 snapshot, ick

L479[08:20:55] <Josephur> hopefully we can change that :D

L480[08:21:26] <gigaherz> mappings? sure

L481[08:21:37] <gigaherz> just write stable_22 on it

L482[08:21:40] <gigaherz> latest 1.8.9

L483[08:21:56] <Josephur> version = "1.8-11.14.1.1357"

L484[08:22:01] <Josephur> that's what it comes with :P

L485[08:22:07] <gigaherz> ah you mean forge version

L486[08:22:22] <Josephur> yeah, should it be as simple as changing it in the build.gradle?

L487[08:22:26] <gigaherz> you probably want to get the latest MDK

L488[08:22:38] <gigaherz> and replace build.gradle with the one from the mdk

L489[08:22:42] <gigaherz> then edit the mappings= line

L490[08:22:44] <Josephur> or just type it in :D

L491[08:22:45] <gigaherz> to be "stable_22"

L492[08:22:51] <gigaherz> well

L493[08:22:58] <gigaherz> 1.8.9 needs forgegradle 2.1-snapshot

L494[08:23:03] <Josephur> ahhh

L495[08:23:05] <gigaherz> and if you use the 1.8 build.gradle manually

L496[08:23:08] <gigaherz> it would try to use 2.0

L497[08:23:09] <gigaherz> and fail

L498[08:23:19] <gigaherz> so my recommendation is,

L499[08:23:23] <gigaherz> get latest MDK zip

L500[08:23:39] <gigaherz> unpack the build.gradle, gradlew.bat and gradle/ folder

L501[08:23:51] <Josephur> trying it now :D

L502[08:23:52] <gigaherz> and then edit the build.gradle, and change the mappings version to stable_22

L503[08:24:15] <gigaherz> then re-run setupDecW

L504[08:24:54] <Josephur> it's cranking

L505[08:25:02] <williewillus> log?

L506[08:25:04] <Josephur> we'll see if Visual Studio freaks out

L507[08:25:13] <williewillus> oh nvm lol

L508[08:25:49] <Josephur> This means I can write addons to quickly create new blocks etc within VS :D

L509[08:25:54] <williewillus> just finished an assignment for class, super hacky and super fun :P

L510[08:25:56] <Josephur> using C#

L511[08:26:20] <williewillus> switching the stack pointer manually to fake coroutines

L512[08:26:23] <Josephur> could even let it browse vanilla assets and change hues for really lazy people that don't have textures yet :D

L513[08:27:03] <Josephur> of course interfacing the java bits might be more difficult.. since I don't know how it's parsing it etc

L514[08:27:11] <Flenix> Anyone got any idea why Minecraft's render range is so shit? I mean on max without mods you can see what, like 256m, and that's laggy on many computers... why is it that MC is so restricted when other games you can see for miles?

L515[08:27:13] <williewillus> parsing what?

L516[08:27:25] <williewillus> Flenix: it is written in gl 1.2

L517[08:27:29] <williewillus> you know when that came out?

L518[08:27:36] <Flenix> I'm guessing a while ago :P

L519[08:27:39] <Josephur> williewillus: adding code automagically etc

L520[08:27:43] <williewillus> a long, long while ago

L521[08:27:53] <Flenix> and I'm guessing it's not something a mod can easily change? I'm not that great with gl

L522[08:27:56] <williewillus> nope

L523[08:27:59] <Flenix> damnit

L524[08:28:05] <Josephur> it's nto too bad to do in a VS addon, but adding the fact that the Minecraft template is using something to add java support.. yeah I dunno

L525[08:28:11] <williewillus> pe/w10 use openGL ES 3/4

L526[08:28:13] <fry> Flenix: also, not many games have 100% destructable enviroment

L527[08:28:45] <Flenix> Valid point fry - but I don't nessecarily want to interact with the environment at that range, just get a rough idea of it's geometry and the location of entities

L528[08:28:52] <McJty> Flenix, Minecraft is actually pretty high poly too

L529[08:29:06] <williewillus> ah they use GLES 3 in pe

L530[08:29:08] <McJty> i.e. a voxel based map needs a lot more polygons (all the blocks) then a smooth landscape

L531[08:29:14] <Josephur> Build Started...

L532[08:29:15] <williewillus> spec released in 2012 :P

L533[08:29:30] <williewillus> 2012 vs 1998 and company :P

L534[08:29:54] <Flenix> I wonder if it's possible to have some sort of dynamic skybox, get the game to cache the map as you explore it, then render it as an image that changes as you move? wouldn't be 100% accurate if another player changed stuff but would certainly be a nice visual mod if it worked relatively well

L535[08:30:00] <Josephur> ah shit the damn JAVA_HOME issue again, let me see if I can set that on each compile for it

L536[08:30:07] <williewillus> Flenix: so...a minimap ? :P

L537[08:30:27] <Flenix> Naa, it'd render in place of the empty blue sky you see at the edge of your render range

L538[08:30:43] <Flenix> I'm just spitballing, no idea if it's even possible to do something like that

L539[08:30:48] <fry> yes, it's possible

L540[08:31:05] <fry> but would youy rather have that, or +1 chunk of normal rendering distance?

L541[08:31:12] <masa> hm, wouldn't that require you to cache and then roughly render the entire world o nthe client then anyway...?

L542[08:32:39] <Flenix> 1 chunk wouldn't make much of a difference. Basically my problem is I've been playing planetside 2 to get ideas for my gun mod, and it makes me sad that I was sat on a hilltop there sniping people from about 750m out and I'll never be able to do that in minecraft

L543[08:32:43] <masa> jl released a video a while back from the w10 edition using something like 4k block render distance?

L544[08:32:50] <McJty> But only once (for distant chunks) until the view point changes enough

L545[08:33:03] <masa> it seemed to be laggy as hell, but it worked...

L546[08:33:16] <williewillus> bc that game is optimized for mobile

L547[08:33:23] <McJty> Flenix, note that 1.8.9 already considerably improves chunk rendering and is able to set a much higher render distance

L548[08:33:27] <williewillus> and uses not-18 year old tech ;p

L549[08:33:47] <Flenix> That's a good point McJty, I've not started using 1.8 yet so might be worth toying with in the future

L550[08:33:58] <gigaherz> Flenix: yo ucan set render distance to like 4000 on the win10 edition

L551[08:33:59] <gigaherz> ;P

L552[08:34:00] <williewillus> and mojang is generally starting to modernize really really slowly :P

L553[08:34:25] <masa> yeah whenever I have to go back t oa 1.7 dev enviroment, I'm just amazed how laggy crap it actually was compared to 1.8 O_o

L554[08:34:25] <Flenix> Maybe we can pray for a GL update then :P

L555[08:34:31] <williewillus> see: shaders in spec mode, the glowing potion in 1.9 is a shader, a real model system, etc.

L556[08:34:36] <williewillus> masa: yeah same here

L557[08:35:21] <masa> everything loads so fraking slow and the terrain gen lags like hell and spits out client side chunk ticking took whatever hunderd ms warnings etc. :p

L558[08:35:28] <williewillus> Flenix: people run this game on really bad computers :P

L559[08:35:43] <gigaherz> people are confused

L560[08:35:48] <williewillus> even moving to 1.8 (which is not that new rendering tech compared to PE) people were having flickering problems everywhere

L561[08:35:51] <gigaherz> they thing cube graphics means easy

L562[08:35:56] <gigaherz> but the way mc works is horrible for thegpu

L563[08:35:56] <Flenix> Hell mine isn't exactly great

L564[08:35:58] <gigaherz> XD

L565[08:36:05] <Josephur> gigaherz: epic fail.. Error: Could not find or load main class GradleStart

L566[08:37:05] <Josephur> I wonder how it's configured to launch MC though

L567[08:37:21] <Josephur> for all I know it could be trying to launch a non existant 1.8 forge, lemme tinker

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L569[08:37:50] <Josephur> The build appears to be working, just not the launch!

L570[08:38:08] <gigaherz> hmf

L571[08:38:29] <Josephur> Start class within project: GradleStart

L572[08:38:31] <Josephur> hmm

L573[08:38:34] <gigaherz> GradleStart is what IDEA uses

L574[08:38:46] <Josephur> -Xincgc -Xmx512M -Xms512M -Dfile.encoding=Cp1252 GradleStart

L575[08:38:48] <gigaherz> GradleStart/GradleStartServer

L576[08:38:59] <Josephur> "C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.8.0_74\bin\java.exe" -agentpath:{AgentPath} -Xincgc -Xmx512M -Xms512M -Dfile.encoding=Cp1252 GradleStart GradleStart

L577[08:39:11] <Josephur> I don't see anything particularly wrong..

L578[08:39:34] <gigaherz> well, no classpath?

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L580[08:39:53] <Josephur> Working directory: \bin

L581[08:39:54] <gigaherz> IDEA calls this

L582[08:39:55] <gigaherz> https://gist.github.com/gigaherz/93b7cd816a15da9380d5

L583[08:40:03] <gigaherz> you'll have to scroll horizontally, a while

L584[08:40:42] <Josephur> holy batman

L585[08:40:43] <Josephur> :D

L586[08:41:37] <gigaherz> yeah.

L587[08:41:38] <Josephur> yeah I somehow don't think it's doing that

L588[08:41:44] <Josephur> but.. lets see if it even compiled

L589[08:41:54] <gigaherz> run "gradlew runClient"

L590[08:42:04] <gigaherz> from a cmd

L591[08:42:15] <gigaherz> with java configured and such

L592[08:42:28] <Josephur> it shows up

L593[08:42:29] <Josephur> :D

L594[08:42:41] <Josephur> it's just Visual Studio's launch debugger method that's not running the client correctly

L595[08:43:14] <Josephur> System.out.println("DIRT BLOCK >> "+Blocks.dirt.getUnlocalizedName());

L596[08:43:16] <Josephur> success :D

L597[08:43:31] <gigaherz> my recommendation: get IDEA community version (free)

L598[08:43:42] <McJty> ^

L599[08:43:50] <gigaherz> import the build.gradle file

L600[08:43:56] <gigaherz> then after it's done importing

L601[08:44:01] <gigaherz> open the gradle panel

L602[08:44:08] <gigaherz> and find the forge task "genIntellijRuns"

L603[08:44:22] <gigaherz> and you'll have a working environment ;P

L604[08:44:57] <Josephur> It's so odd after using Eclipse for so long to write MC code in VS ;)

L605[08:45:20] <gigaherz> what's odd is that you have been able to use eclipse for that long ;P

L606[08:45:28] <Josephur> oh I hate eclipse

L607[08:45:38] <gigaherz> that's why I keep suggesting IDEA ;P

L608[08:45:39] <Josephur> I'm not a java developer at all, what I've learned is purely because of MC LMAO

L609[08:45:43] <Josephur> I'm downloading it now

L610[08:45:51] <gigaherz> it's not VS

L611[08:45:53] <gigaherz> but it's nice enough

L612[08:45:57] <gigaherz> the one thing I miss

L613[08:46:08] <gigaherz> is VS's tooltips when hovering on things

L614[08:46:13] <Josephur> will it open my eclipse workspace with no problems?

L615[08:46:22] <gigaherz> no you want to import the gradle file

L616[08:46:29] <Josephur> VS has one of the best intellisense environments

L617[08:46:33] <gigaherz> don't mess with importing eclipse

L618[08:46:45] <McJty> I very much like IntelliJ's intellisense though

L619[08:46:48] <Josephur> I best back shit up before I attempt anything ;)

L620[08:46:48] <gigaherz> just import gradle, and then run the genIntellijRuns

L621[08:46:52] <McJty> But I must admit I never tried VS so I can't compare

L622[08:46:56] <gigaherz> yeah intellisense in eclipse is nice

L623[08:47:02] <gigaherz> but it does not do this:

L624[08:47:09] <McJty> gigaherz, I mean IntelliJ

L625[08:47:16] <gigaherz> eh

L626[08:47:18] <gigaherz> intellisense in idea**

L627[08:47:21] <gigaherz> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/743491/tooltip.png

L628[08:47:25] <gigaherz> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/743491/tooltip2.png

L629[08:47:33] <Josephur> will IDEA make me set my JAVA_HOME var, or will it be intelligent enough ?

L630[08:47:33] <gigaherz> this is the one feature of VS that I miss greatly

L631[08:47:40] <gigaherz> no it's smart

L632[08:47:41] <Josephur> I don't set it system wide for other reasons

L633[08:47:44] <gigaherz> I have no java env vars at all

L634[08:48:05] <gigaherz> I just set it temporarily to run "gradlew setupDecompWorkspace"

L635[08:48:21] <gigaherz> and afterward just work with IDEA as-is, no messing at all

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L637[08:48:57] <Josephur> ok launching for the first time

L638[08:49:15] <gigaherz> the method for getting a working environment in IDEA:

L639[08:49:39] <Josephur> yeah going to need a tutorial ;)

L640[08:49:40] <gigaherz> 1. run "gradlew setupDecompWorkspace" on a cmd window or whateveryour choice of command-running place is

L641[08:49:59] <Josephur> does it have to be a fresh one?

L642[08:50:04] <gigaherz> 2. open IDEA and choose import, or if you had a previous project new -> project from existing sources

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L644[08:50:16] <gigaherz> no, 1. can be skipped if you did setupDecompWorkspace before

L645[08:50:23] <Josephur> k already done

L646[08:50:26] <gigaherz> 3. wait for idea to finish importing things

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L648[08:50:33] <gigaherz> eh

L649[08:50:43] <gigaherz> 2.5. import the build.gradle file as a gradle project ;p

L650[08:50:54] <Josephur> lemme tar gz that folder before fucking with it ;)

L651[08:51:23] <gigaherz> 4. open the gradle panel (can be found at the bottom-left, on the squareish icon),

L652[08:51:30] <gigaherz> if it's empty, then #3 ddid not finish yet ;P

L653[08:51:50] <gigaherz> otherwise go to Tasks -> forgegradle -> genIntellijRuns

L654[08:52:09] <gigaherz> 5. accept reloading the project

L655[08:52:23] <Josephur> let me ask you this

L656[08:52:31] <Josephur> since the IDEA is using the gradle build file

L657[08:52:41] <gigaherz> ?

L658[08:52:50] <Josephur> is it acceptable to switch between Eclipse and IDEA at that point (I mean as long as they arent open at the same time obviously)

L659[08:52:50] <Wuppy> o/

L660[08:52:58] <gigaherz> no idea

L661[08:53:01] <gigaherz> never tried

L662[08:53:07] <McJty> Why would you even do that?

L663[08:53:09] <gigaherz> I feel no need to touch eclipse

L664[08:53:17] <Josephur> just incase I cannot figure something out I was doing in eclipse ;)

L665[08:53:17] <gigaherz> after you use IDEa, you probably will think the same way

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L667[08:53:22] <gigaherz> then ask here

L668[08:53:25] <gigaherz> we'll be happy to help

L669[08:53:26] <McJty> Josephur, then learn how to do it in intellij ;-)

L670[08:53:29] <Josephur> lol

L671[08:53:49] <McJty> I think running both on the same source directory might cause more harm then good

L672[08:54:21] <Josephur> ok attempting IDEA now :P

L673[08:54:24] <Josephur> *fingers crossed*

L674[08:55:22] <Josephur> looking for the project from existing sources option

L675[08:56:52] <Josephur> Gradle JVM: Use JAVA_HOME (not defined yet)

L676[08:57:00] <Josephur> might be an issue later but I'll press on

L677[08:57:12] <Josephur> ah yes it wont import

L678[08:57:16] <Josephur> Invalid Gradle JDK configuration found. Open Gradle Settings JAVA_HOME environment variable not defined Consult IDE log for more details (Help | Show Log)

L679[08:57:30] <Josephur> so I suppose I'll set the variable for it

L680[08:57:41] <gigaherz> hm?

L681[08:57:46] <gigaherz> I just choose "use project jvm"

L682[08:57:53] <Josephur> wasn't an option

L683[08:57:57] <gigaherz> wait

L684[08:58:03] <gigaherz> you didn't configure any JVM yet, did you?

L685[08:58:14] <Josephur> most likely not since it's my first launch ;)

L686[08:58:16] <gigaherz> you should configure a JVM before importing the first time

L687[08:58:17] <gigaherz> XD

L688[08:58:17] <Josephur> *goes back*

L689[08:59:07] <Josephur> trying to locate that option in settings

L690[08:59:35] <Josephur> is it just set in Path Variables ?

L691[08:59:39] <Josephur> or somewhere else ?

L692[08:59:43] <gigaherz> no

L693[08:59:44] <gigaherz> wait

L694[09:00:08] <gigaherz> https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/help/configuring-global-project-and-module-sdks.html#platform_sdk

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L697[09:01:32] <Josephur> aha

L698[09:01:51] <Josephur> now I shall try the import option

L699[09:02:08] <Josephur> anything special I need in the import dialog ?

L700[09:02:11] <gigaherz> nope

L701[09:02:21] <gigaherz> import gradle -> use default wrapper

L702[09:02:22] <Josephur> oo we have a progress bar

L703[09:02:58] <Josephur> that was so much simplier than Eclipses's stupid workspace methods

L704[09:03:07] <Josephur> gradle is building

L705[09:03:53] <Josephur> now will I have to set the debug/run command ?

L706[09:04:12] <Josephur> aha yes

L707[09:04:13] <gigaherz> yes

L708[09:04:21] <gigaherz> ope ngradle panel, and run the genIntellijRuns

L709[09:04:29] <gigaherz> that does the debug/run for you

L710[09:05:08] <gigaherz> you may need to click the blue refresh icon on the gradle panel

L711[09:05:18] <Josephur> oh nice

L712[09:05:19] <gigaherz> you shouldn't need it now since you just imported

L713[09:05:20] <gigaherz> but

L714[09:05:22] <Josephur> Gradle tasks nicely listed

L715[09:05:32] <gigaherz> if you do setupDecompWorkspace again or similar

L716[09:05:47] <gigaherz> you will need to refresh the gradle project in idea

L717[09:05:53] <gigaherz> using the gradle panel's refresh icon

L718[09:05:58] <gigaherz> (not the main one next to save)

L719[09:06:03] <gigaherz> note that

L720[09:06:04] <Josephur> ok ran it, reloaded project

L721[09:06:07] <gigaherz> for me

L722[09:06:20] <gigaherz> using setupDecompWorkspace from within idea, causes it to run out of memory

L723[09:06:21] <Josephur> nice now have options for client/server

L724[09:06:23] <gigaherz> while running it from cmd does not

L725[09:06:38] <Josephur> off to a good start :)

L726[09:06:40] <gigaherz> :)

L727[09:06:50] <Josephur> Thank you sir :)

L728[09:06:53] <gigaherz> everything should work now, then

L729[09:06:58] <gigaherz> any doubt or issue

L730[09:07:00] <gigaherz> just ask here

L731[09:07:40] <Josephur> I'm assuming the client/server launch files are what contains the parameters for the launch profiles that genIntellijRuns made ?

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L733[09:08:21] <Josephur> I shall find out, by allocating more ram and see if it does it :)

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L735[09:09:03] <gigaherz> if you created/edited gradle.properties to specify a minimum ram for the JVMs, then that won't be a problem

L736[09:09:20] <gigaherz> http://mcforge.readthedocs.org/en/latest/gettingstarted/

L737[09:09:23] <gigaherz> this is described here

L738[09:09:58] <Josephur> Why are so many tutorials made for Eclipse, it seems janky compared to IDEA

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L740[09:11:05] <Josephur> I like the fact this interfaces directly with gradle

L741[09:14:16] <Josephur> Thanks agian

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L745[09:24:52] <NitroxydeX> Hi Guys. Another Question related to the Forge Blockstates. Isn't the Blockstate not acceptable for other variants then "type"?

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L752[09:37:51] <DirePC> Heyo

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L754[09:38:04] <NitroxydeX> hey

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L758[09:43:54] <shadekiller666> so apparently my primary email is tied to my family's internet bill...

L759[09:44:27] <DirePC> How

L760[09:44:34] <shadekiller666> att

L761[09:45:02] <shadekiller666> can't log into sbcglobal.net accounts unless your internet bill has been payed...

L762[09:45:13] <RANKSHANK> ...

L763[09:45:15] <RANKSHANK> lol

L764[09:45:29] <shadekiller666> time to start giving out my gmail instead

L765[09:45:34] <NitroxydeX> lol

L766[09:46:06] <RANKSHANK> that happened to me too :P old comcast email and then I moved overseas

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L768[09:47:15] <williewillus> isp's still do that?!

L769[09:47:20] <NitroxydeX> :D

L770[09:47:31] <williewillus> NitroxydeX: no, any name should work

L771[09:47:37] <NitroxydeX> damn...

L772[09:47:43] <NitroxydeX> i dont know what is wrong then :(

L773[09:47:45] <williewillus> what problem are you having?

L774[09:48:05] <NitroxydeX> I wanted to save some extra json. So I thought I can put multiple Tools in one Json

L775[09:48:33] <NitroxydeX> Instead of naming it type=toolnameVariant I named it toolname=variant. But this doesent seem to work..

L776[09:49:12] <williewillus> it should

L777[09:49:22] <williewillus> show your json and code where you call setCustomMRL

L778[09:49:26] <Nitrodev> hi willie

L779[09:49:26] <NitroxydeX> I get no error. Just saying 71 Models couldn't be load.

L780[09:49:31] <NitroxydeX> wait

L781[09:49:39] <NitroxydeX> it's still the same as yesterday ^^

L782[09:49:47] <NitroxydeX> but i upload it with the json

L783[09:49:49] <Nitrodev> what error?

L784[09:49:51] <williewillus> my backlog doesn't go that far lol

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L786[09:50:39] <williewillus> and yeah what does the error say

L787[09:50:46] <williewillus> missing model errors

L788[09:51:14] <Nitrodev> yeah just paste one of the error lines here

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L790[09:51:23] <Nitrodev> IF it's a model not loaded error that is

L791[09:52:05] <NitroxydeX> http://pastebin.com/7ahVuHvM

L792[09:52:09] <williewillus> !latest

L793[09:52:18] <NitroxydeX> No Error. Thats the weird thing..

L794[09:52:31] <williewillus> oh

L795[09:52:33] <NitroxydeX> it just told me: [16:22:52] [Client thread/ERROR] [FML]: Supressed additional 71 model loading errors for domain zencnt

L796[09:52:47] <Nitrodev> that's new to me

L797[09:52:48] <williewillus> you're passing the name wrong, if you want to fake it like this

L798[09:52:53] <NitroxydeX> okay.

L799[09:52:55] <williewillus> actually nvm misread

L800[09:52:58] <williewillus> it should work? 0.o

L801[09:53:07] <NitroxydeX> okay?

L802[09:53:18] <williewillus> do you have forge_marker?

L803[09:53:21] <NitroxydeX> yes

L804[09:53:26] <williewillus> paste the whole json :P

L805[09:53:28] <NitroxydeX> its working as long as its "type"

L806[09:53:41] <williewillus> i doubt that's the reason

L807[09:53:55] <williewillus> show the whole json :P

L808[09:54:01] <NitroxydeX> updated the pastebin

L809[09:54:04] <NitroxydeX> reload it ^^

L810[09:54:23] <williewillus> oh lol

L811[09:54:28] <williewillus> that won't work

L812[09:54:35] <NitroxydeX> :DD

L813[09:54:42] <williewillus> remember you're using something meant for blocks for items

L814[09:54:57] <williewillus> the forge loader sees all these "properties" and generates the combinations of all of them

L815[09:55:21] <williewillus> so your REAL variant names behind the scenes are called "pickaxe=stonerubber,hoe=woodenrubber,shovel=..."

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L818[09:56:37] <NitroxydeX> okay. but where is the problem now? in the json or in the method how i register the modelloader?

L819[09:56:59] <williewillus> no, split into separate jsons per tool type

L820[09:57:23] <NitroxydeX> Okay. So there is no way to put it all in one with different variant names?

L821[09:57:44] <williewillus> no, because the system you're using is designed for blocks and does what it expects for blocks

L822[09:57:45] <shadekiller666> hopefully there will be forge itemstates in 1.9

L823[09:57:59] <williewillus> it thinks "hoe", "pickaxe", etc. are blockstate properties

L824[09:58:04] <williewillus> and generates all combinations of them together

L825[09:58:22] <NitroxydeX> ah okay..

L826[09:58:48] <williewillus> you could use the vanilla syntax so it doesn't autogenerate :P

L827[09:59:21] <williewillus> but it looks bad, so just split the json

L828[09:59:25] <NitroxydeX> okay

L829[09:59:34] <shadekiller666> well, you could potentially write them as "pickaxe"=[{}] which would tell the parser that that is a fully-defined variant

L830[09:59:46] <williewillus> yeah but pickaxe isn't a variant :P

L831[09:59:58] <williewillus> that's his "property"

L832[10:00:15] <williewillus> I just used vanilla item jsons for all my items lol

L833[10:00:36] <NitroxydeX> this would be.. way to much :D

L834[10:00:51] <SkySom> Yeah... Same here. Just used basic jsons per item

L835[10:00:54] <williewillus> that's barely anything lol

L836[10:00:55] <SkySom> Which turned into a lot of jsons

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L838[10:01:19] <williewillus> it's the tradeoff, using the forge json format (even for blocks) makes resourcepack conflicts go way up

L839[10:01:23] <Nitrodev> oh yeah i had a mod in owrks aswell

L840[10:01:32] <Nitrodev> i've forgotten that for the past what a month?

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L842[10:01:48] <williewillus> no one can change the shape of just *one* of your tools without replacing the entire json, which will conflict with other RP's

L843[10:01:58] <williewillus> it's silly but there's a reason mojang split everything out

L844[10:02:04] <williewillus> you can replace any one thing with a RP

L845[10:03:57] <williewillus> lol it never seems like this many in dev https://gyazo.com/2ff58f9672fd6b63bd74e61e2155b0ca

L846[10:04:32] <NitroxydeX> xDDDD

L847[10:05:08] <NitroxydeX> I was at 100 json files. And my Mod is in really early Alpha stage :D

L848[10:05:11] <williewillus> I don't really care to be honest, jsons can be autogenerated anyway

L849[10:05:14] <NitroxydeX> It would blow everything up ^^

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L851[10:05:27] <williewillus> i like letting RP's customize models

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L853[10:07:09] <SkySom> If I thought for a second, that RP's would customize my models, I'd consider it lol

L854[10:07:27] <SkySom> But yeah items were pretty easy.

L855[10:07:40] <SkySom> Look for a texture in /items and auto create the json

L856[10:08:29] <williewillus> some people don't see that a bunch of things have gotten so much easier with a real model system in place hah

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L858[10:13:31] <Nitrodev> ugh i hate the botania blockstate code

L859[10:13:50] <SkySom> Why? It didn't seem bad when I looked at it.

L860[10:13:51] <williewillus> thanks

L861[10:13:52] <NitroxydeX> :D

L862[10:13:56] <Nitrodev> hard to tell the difference between something that's only needed for botania and something that sin't

L863[10:13:59] <NitroxydeX> yeah. it wasnt bad

L864[10:14:02] <williewillus> Nitrodev: care to tell me what's wrong with it?

L865[10:14:11] <Nitrodev> hopld on

L866[10:15:35] <williewillus> !sm func_186532_a serialize

L867[10:16:21] <williewillus> !sm func_186530_b deserialize

L868[10:18:43] <Nitrodev> https://github.com/williewillus/Botania/blob/MC18/src/main/java/vazkii/botania/common/block/BlockStorage.java#L71

L869[10:18:50] <Nitrodev> that's where i'm stuck currently

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L872[10:19:38] <Nitrodev> Hi Samario

L873[10:19:43] <gigaherz> ewh

L874[10:19:46] <Samario> muh?

L875[10:19:47] <gigaherz> that method you linked to, is horrible

L876[10:19:56] <williewillus> that's irrelevant to blockstates

L877[10:19:59] <MalkContent> would it be feasable for forge to registering plant items to allow to be placed into flower pots?

L878[10:20:01] <Nitrodev> i know

L879[10:20:06] <gigaherz> Nitrodev: DO NOT copy that

L880[10:20:07] <williewillus> don't look at that :D

L881[10:20:10] <gigaherz> to not take inspiration from that

L882[10:20:13] <gigaherz> pretend it does not exist

L883[10:20:15] <gigaherz> ;P

L884[10:20:25] <gigaherz> forge now has

L885[10:20:25] <Nitrodev> okay i'll just skip that

L886[10:20:28] <gigaherz> setRegistryName

L887[10:20:37] <williewillus> I'm not going to diff thrash every single block class to change move it out of there right now

L888[10:20:39] <gigaherz> so that you can assign a name to the block without having to mess with unlocalized names

L889[10:20:41] <williewillus> so leaving it there for now

L890[10:20:42] <gigaherz> which are NOT THE SAME

L891[10:20:47] <williewillus> I know that lol

L892[10:20:52] <gigaherz> I'm telling Nitrodev

L893[10:20:53] <gigaherz> XD

L894[10:21:09] <williewillus> so how was that relevant to blockstates :P

L895[10:21:33] <Nitrodev> <Nitrodev> hard to tell the difference between something that's only needed for botania and something that sin't

L896[10:21:49] <williewillus> elaborate on what that means?

L897[10:21:51] <Nitrodev> in this case that method was for botania

L898[10:22:01] <Nitrodev> not something i need

L899[10:22:13] <gigaherz> Nitrodev: then compare with other mods?

L900[10:22:23] <gigaherz> what areyou tryingto achieve?

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L903[10:22:28] <gigaherz> I may be able to show you how I did it

L904[10:22:28] <williewillus> every mod has its quirks in code

L905[10:22:30] <Nitrodev> that message i sent can be changed into: Hard to tell difference of what's related to blockstates and what's not

L906[10:22:31] <williewillus> either from legacy or just quirk

L907[10:22:32] <gigaherz> and you can compare

L908[10:22:39] <williewillus> Nitrodev: if it has 'state' in the name

L909[10:22:46] <gigaherz> here's all that's "related to blockstates":

L910[10:22:50] <gigaherz> createBlocksState

L911[10:22:52] <williewillus> getActualState, steDefaultState

L912[10:22:53] <gigaherz> getStateFromMeta

L913[10:22:55] <gigaherz> setStateFromMeta

L914[10:22:58] <gigaherz> eh

L915[10:22:59] <williewillus> lol what

L916[10:23:01] <gigaherz> brainfart

L917[10:23:02] <williewillus> getMetaFromState

L918[10:23:05] <gigaherz> getMetaFromState

L919[10:23:07] <ChaosTrigger> how do I register a new entity in 1.8? before, it used to be just this: RenderingRegistry.registerEntityRenderingHandler, but now the Render class is supposed to have a RenderManager

L920[10:23:09] <williewillus> getExtendedState

L921[10:23:15] <ChaosTrigger> how do I get that in my clientproxy?

L922[10:23:17] <gigaherz> you said "setDefaultState" while I was typing that XD

L923[10:23:19] <williewillus> ChaosTrigger: use the IRenderFactory thing

L924[10:23:36] <ChaosTrigger> what is that?.. I've never used it before, or heard of it before

L925[10:23:40] <williewillus> hold on

L926[10:23:42] <ChaosTrigger> ok

L927[10:23:51] <gigaherz> ChaosTrigger: https://github.com/gigaherz/ElementsOfPower/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/elementsofpower/client/ClientProxy.java#L191

L928[10:23:56] <gigaherz> but

L929[10:24:02] <gigaherz> you speak of two separate things

L930[10:24:04] <Nitrodev> so what about the rest eh?

L931[10:24:13] <Nitrodev> i know thye last method is for blockstates

L932[10:24:14] <williewillus> e.g RenderingRegistry.registerEntityRenderingHandler(EntityVineBall.class, renderManager -> new RenderSnowball(renderManager, ModItems.vineBall, Minecraft.getMinecraft().getRenderItem()));

L933[10:24:20] <williewillus> you give it a IRenderFactory

L934[10:24:26] <williewillus> which will pass you a rendermanager at the right time

L935[10:24:40] <gigaherz> registering THE ENTITY is done like this: https://github.com/gigaherz/ElementsOfPower/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/elementsofpower/ElementsOfPower.java#L348

L936[10:24:41] <williewillus> Nitrodev: the rest aren't for blockstates then

L937[10:24:42] <gigaherz> what you said

L938[10:24:46] <gigaherz> is registering the entity's RENDERER

L939[10:24:49] <gigaherz> which is a separate thing

L940[10:24:57] <gigaherz> and you can share one renderer for many entities and such

L941[10:24:57] <Nitrodev> okay

L942[10:25:21] <gigaherz> Nitrodev: there's other methods that can make use of blockstates

L943[10:25:29] <gigaherz> but they aren't required to get blockstates implemented

L944[10:25:47] <williewillus> look at vanilla

L945[10:25:50] <Nitrodev> okay

L946[10:25:52] <williewillus> to see how blockstates are implemented and used

L947[10:25:57] <williewillus> that's the best example of it

L948[10:25:58] <gigaherz> all you need for blockstates is to call setDefaultState on your constructor, and then override createBlockState, getStateFromMeta, getMetaFromState

L949[10:26:03] <gigaherz> thne OPTIONALLY

L950[10:26:15] <gigaherz> you can override getActualState for context-based information

L951[10:26:26] <gigaherz> yo ucan override getExtendedState if you need extended state information

L952[10:26:37] <gigaherz> and yo ucan handle the "state" parameter in other methods to make use of the information

L953[10:26:51] <gigaherz> what you need depends on what you want to achieve

L954[10:26:51] <williewillus> but that's out of scope right now :P

L955[10:27:15] <gigaherz> for starters, worry about the one method call, and the 3 overrides.

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L958[10:27:32] <Nitrodev> https://github.com/Nitrodev/ConstructIO/blob/master/src/main/java/com/nitrodev/constructio/blocks/WoodenShell.java

L959[10:27:40] <Nitrodev> that's the end product for the block class

L960[10:28:13] <ChaosTrigger> gigaherz, when I do your example, it's telling me that the target type of the expression has to be a functional interface

L961[10:28:26] <gigaherz> ??

L962[10:28:31] <ChaosTrigger> williewillus, I get what you're saying, but there doesn't seem to be a IRenderFactory interface

L963[10:28:40] <williewillus> what version of forge are you using

L964[10:28:44] <gigaherz> oh

L965[10:28:46] <gigaherz> I'm using JAva8

L966[10:28:48] <ChaosTrigger> forge for 1.8.0

L967[10:28:50] <williewillus> oh

L968[10:28:51] <ChaosTrigger> I am using Java8 too

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L970[10:28:53] <gigaherz> AHH

L971[10:28:54] <gigaherz> yes

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L973[10:28:59] <ChaosTrigger> that doesn't seem to be the problem apparently

L974[10:29:00] <gigaherz> that changes between 1.8 and 1.8.9

L975[10:29:01] <williewillus> why are you using 1.8.0? :P

L976[10:29:06] <gigaherz> changed*

L977[10:29:07] <Nitrodev> yeah

L978[10:29:10] <ChaosTrigger> cause I need 1.8 specifically

L979[10:29:21] <ChaosTrigger> how would I register the entity renderer in 1.8.0

L980[10:29:25] <williewillus> 0.o in that case just get the rendermanager from Minecraft.getMinecraft

L981[10:29:32] <williewillus> but there's a bug that might break things iirc

L982[10:29:44] <ChaosTrigger> it's worth a try, let me see

L983[10:30:06] <Nitrodev> does my block class look sensible enough?

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L985[10:31:32] <Nitrodev> https://github.com/Nitrodev/ConstructIO/blob/master/src/main/java/com/nitrodev/constructio/blocks/WoodenShell.java

L986[10:31:38] <Nitrodev> that's the link

L987[10:32:33] <Girafi> Old entity register = do it in init, the new entity register = do it in preinit. If you do that, both should work just fine.

L988[10:32:54] <Girafi> Entity render register*

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L992[10:41:40] <williewillus> Nitrodev: that looks fine

L993[10:42:01] <williewillus> except you don't need this on STORAGE_VARIANT, it's a static field

L994[10:42:37] <ChaosTrigger> I tried spawning my entity, but I got a Rendering entity in world error, pointing to RenderManager's doRender

L995[10:42:45] <ChaosTrigger> everything is in order

L996[10:42:49] <ChaosTrigger> so why am I getting that?

L997[10:42:51] <SkySom> Post the crashlog

L998[10:43:03] <SkySom> We can't really help you without a good log of the error

L999[10:43:46] <DirePC> Can you unban my other account.. I apologize for my ride behavior..

L1000[10:44:30] <DirePC> Rude*

L1001[10:44:31] <Nitrodev> williewillus, what?

L1002[10:44:38] <williewillus> this.STORAGE_VARIANT

L1003[10:44:41] <williewillus> no this. needed

L1004[10:44:45] <williewillus> it's static

L1005[10:45:15] <Nitrodev> oh yeah those 3

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L1007[10:45:39] <Nitrodev> okay deleted the this

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L1009[10:46:52] <Nitrodev> so otherwise looks good?

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L1013[10:48:52] <williewillus> yeah

L1014[10:49:30] <Nitrodev> is making unlocalised names the same with items for blocks?

L1015[10:50:09] <ChaosTrigger> here's the crash log for my entity problem: http://pastebin.com/1hzEJF17

L1016[10:50:31] <ChaosTrigger> it all starts with bindTexture, but I'm 100% sure the texture is alright

L1017[10:50:48] <ChaosTrigger> and if it wasn't able to find a texture, it would just be a black and purple texture, not crash my game, right?

L1018[10:51:02] <Nitrodev> maybe dont know

L1019[10:51:12] <Nitrodev> could be different with entities

L1020[10:51:38] <SkySom> Naw entities do the same

L1021[10:51:42] <SkySom> At least in 1.8.9

L1022[10:51:51] <ChaosTrigger> so what's the problem then?

L1023[10:51:57] <diesieben07> ChaosTrigger, that error is from you not correctly registering the renderer

L1024[10:52:01] <diesieben07> show where you do that

L1025[10:52:26] <ChaosTrigger> ClientProxy, preInit, here's the code: RenderingRegistry.registerEntityRenderingHandler(EntityChuckSteve.class, new RenderChuckSteve(Minecraft.getMinecraft().getRenderManager(), new ModelChuckSteve(), 0.5F));

L1026[10:52:39] <diesieben07> that is deprecated

L1027[10:52:43] <diesieben07> and your IDE should yell at you for it

L1028[10:52:52] <ChaosTrigger> I'm using forge for 1.8.0, not 1.8.9

L1029[10:52:59] <diesieben07> stop doing that.

L1030[10:53:04] <ChaosTrigger> is it deprecated in 1.8 as well?

L1031[10:53:14] <ChaosTrigger> cause it's not yelling at me for it being deprecated

L1032[10:53:17] <diesieben07> no

L1033[10:53:27] <diesieben07> but 1.8 is an outdated version of 1.8.9

L1034[10:53:37] <ChaosTrigger> and I can't go for 1.8.9, I need this for personal use so it has to be 1.8

L1035[10:53:37] <diesieben07> update.

L1036[10:53:41] <ChaosTrigger> I'm not making a public thing

L1037[10:53:57] <ChaosTrigger> telling me to update is not helping with my entity render issue :/

L1038[10:54:01] <LatvianModder> adapt. im sure everything in 1.8 is also in 1.8.9

L1039[10:54:04] <diesieben07> that is an invalid argument

L1040[10:54:04] <LatvianModder> and way better

L1041[10:54:05] <ChaosTrigger> updating is easy, of course that would fix it

L1042[10:54:21] <SkySom> Okay, why can't you use 1.8.9?

L1043[10:54:33] <ChaosTrigger> will a 1.8.9 mod run on 1.8 forge?

L1044[10:54:37] <ChaosTrigger> if it will - then I'll update

L1045[10:54:47] <LatvianModder> depends on the mod I think

L1046[10:54:56] <ChaosTrigger> I'm currently using 1.8-Forge11.14.3.1487

L1047[10:54:56] <diesieben07> the issue is that you need to do the old way in init

L1048[10:54:56] <LatvianModder> will it? im not even sure

L1049[10:55:00] <diesieben07> not in preInit

L1050[10:55:02] <diesieben07> but the old way sucks, update.

L1051[10:55:07] <diesieben07> my internet also sucks

L1052[10:55:07] <diesieben07> i have 16+ seconds ping

L1053[10:55:11] <ChaosTrigger> if not in preinit then where?

L1054[10:55:16] <diesieben07> no it wont...

L1055[10:55:16] <diesieben07> why would it

L1056[10:55:24] <diesieben07> init

L1057[10:55:27] <SkySom> Why can't you update forge to 1.8.9?

L1058[10:55:31] <ChaosTrigger> ah, alright, let me try

L1059[10:55:51] <ChaosTrigger> because I have some other mods runnig, that require this specific version of forge in order to run

L1060[10:55:57] <ChaosTrigger> without any problems between one another

L1061[10:55:59] <Nitrodev> i need help wth unlocalised names with a block with blockstates

L1062[10:56:06] <williewillus> diesieben07: he's on 1.8.0

L1063[10:56:11] <diesieben07> yell at them to fix their hit them.

L1064[10:56:17] <ChaosTrigger> :D

L1065[10:56:22] <ChaosTrigger> I wish that would help

L1066[10:56:32] <diesieben07> *shit

L1067[10:56:40] <diesieben07> i know

L1068[10:56:49] <diesieben07> Nitrodev, blocks do not have unlocalized names per se. Items do.

L1069[10:56:52] <diesieben07> i already told him the fix.

L1070[10:57:02] <Nitrodev> sigh

L1071[10:57:07] <Nitrodev> then what are they called?

L1072[10:57:12] <Nitrodev> tile names?

L1073[10:57:16] <diesieben07> again, i am on mobile internet. my connectino sucks balls.

L1074[10:57:29] <diesieben07> they do not exist

L1075[10:57:37] <diesieben07> blcoks do not have names

L1076[10:57:37] <diesieben07> blcoks do not exist in your invenory

L1077[10:57:44] <diesieben07> only Items do.

L1078[10:57:47] <diesieben07> for blocks, ItemBlocks do.

L1079[10:57:49] <diesieben07> which are a special kind of item

L1080[10:57:50] <LatvianModder> Let's randomly confess sins we used to do in modding! I overrode getLocalizedName() in Item to just string, because I didnt like lang files.

L1081[10:57:52] <sham1> The only name your block has is the register name

L1082[10:58:26] <SkySom> ... you did what to getLocalizedName()?!?!

L1083[10:58:40] <LatvianModder> :>

L1084[10:58:51] <sham1> :O

L1085[10:59:17] <SkySom> I mean my main sin was creating a fake world object to make it so TileEntities would work in Entities.

L1086[10:59:26] <ChaosTrigger> adding the entity render register to the init fixed it, thank you for the help

L1087[10:59:31] <SkySom> But I'd never break localization stuff

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L1089[11:00:17] <shadekiller666> i'd explain my largest "sin" in modding, but its quite complex :P

L1090[11:00:27] <diesieben07> i remember the time when there was no automatic language loading

L1091[11:00:29] <shadekiller666> and it worked beautifully too

L1092[11:00:32] <diesieben07> and you had to do it all in code.

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L1094[11:00:35] <Nitrodev> what is it then shadekiller666 ?

L1095[11:01:19] <shadekiller666> about 6 months ago, whilst i was still working on the released version of the obj loader, i was a codev on a roller coaster tycoon mod

L1096[11:01:49] <shadekiller666> we started a rewrite when 1.8 came out, because it needed it

L1097[11:02:54] <shadekiller666> in roller coaster tycoon 3, there are 4 types of coasters: steel, wood, water, and transportation(?)

L1098[11:03:04] <shadekiller666> and each type has multiple "styles" of coaster

L1099[11:03:43] <shadekiller666> ie. two styles of steel coaster would have different track models, different cars, different available pieces

L1100[11:04:11] <shadekiller666> and we wanted a system that would allow resource pack makers to add styles

L1101[11:04:28] <Nitrodev> yeah okay too complex bye

L1102[11:04:45] <shadekiller666> but to do that, we had to parse custom json files before block registration

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L1105[11:05:34] <shadekiller666> which in turn breaks the standard mod initialization process with block/item registration and model loading

L1106[11:06:16] <shadekiller666> in reality, the tracks themselves took up 4 block ids

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L1108[11:06:36] <shadekiller666> but we couldn't register them until we had the data contained in those jsons :P

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L1130[11:57:11] <ChaosTrigger> I know this isn't the right place for this, but I don't know where else to ask. Is there something nowadays that runs both forge mods and plugins on a server?

L1131[11:57:19] <ChaosTrigger> before, it used to be cauldron, but that doesn't exist anymore

L1132[11:57:29] <Nitrodev> no clue

L1133[11:57:48] <ChaosTrigger> spigot works perfect for plugins and sponge works for mods, but is there something for both? :/

L1134[11:57:50] <Nitrodev> now i need help with making blockstates have different registry names

L1135[11:57:55] <diesieben07> by "Plugins" you mean bukkit specifically?

L1136[11:58:03] <ChaosTrigger> not really, no

L1137[11:58:08] <diesieben07> then sponge

L1138[11:58:27] <ChaosTrigger> can't spigot work with sponge?

L1139[11:58:30] <ChaosTrigger> or are they separate

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L1141[11:58:40] <diesieben07> they are completely separate

L1142[11:58:52] <ChaosTrigger> so there really is nothing like cauldron :/

L1143[11:58:59] <diesieben07> No

L1144[11:59:02] <diesieben07> move on from bukkit

L1145[11:59:06] <diesieben07> it's old

L1146[11:59:16] <ChaosTrigger> I'm using spigot, and I know about the situation with bukkit

L1147[11:59:58] <diesieben07> spigot loads plugins written for the bukkit API

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L1149[12:01:05] <diesieben07> if i understand correctly that is

L1150[12:01:26] <diesieben07> but if you just want "plugins" (then you have to debate what is a plugin and what is a mod) then Sponge will do fine

L1151[12:01:37] <diesieben07> it will not load plugins written for the bukkit API

L1152[12:01:43] <diesieben07> but it will allow you to use "plugins"

L1153[12:01:49] <diesieben07> whatever that may mean

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L1155[12:07:16] <Wuppy> woop woop, time to play with a gear vr :D

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L1157[12:08:48] <Nitrodev> well?

L1158[12:08:58] <Nitrodev> any help for me

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L1161[12:09:43] <LatvianModder> blockstates have different registry names

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L1163[12:09:47] <LatvianModder> err what?

L1164[12:10:02] <LatvianModder> I doubt you can or need that

L1165[12:10:34] <kashike> https://github.com/Searge-DP/repositories ._.

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L1167[12:11:47] <NitroxydeX> diesieben07 It's not easy to make a difference. But Mods are more something that adds whole new things to minecraft. plugins mostly use whats already there

L1168[12:12:21] <Nitrodev> LatvianModder, what?

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L1170[12:12:53] <LatvianModder> Why would you need different registry names for blockstates?

L1171[12:14:24] <Nitrodev> so every blockstate would ahve a different name?

L1172[12:14:27] <Nitrodev> in game

L1173[12:14:30] <Nitrodev> in the inv etc

L1174[12:14:38] <LatvianModder> oh you mean that...

L1175[12:14:46] <LatvianModder> I thought registry name, not unlocalized name

L1176[12:15:01] <LatvianModder> theres a big difference :P

L1177[12:15:02] <Nitrodev> but blocks don't have unlocalised names

L1178[12:15:09] <LatvianModder> .. Yes they do

L1179[12:15:14] <LatvianModder> ItemBlock

L1180[12:15:39] <Nitrodev> yeah itemblocks

L1181[12:15:43] <sham1> Those are not blocks though

L1182[12:15:52] <Nitrodev> i have a blockstate blocks

L1183[12:15:59] <Nitrodev> or somethign like that

L1184[12:16:00] <LatvianModder> Well, ofc you dont get unlocalized name from block directly

L1185[12:16:16] <LatvianModder> you create a new itemblock that does it

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L1187[12:16:49] <Nitrodev> but what about blockstates

L1188[12:17:05] <LatvianModder> you must know how to convert your blockstate to metadata and back

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L1190[12:17:20] <LatvianModder> get unlocalized name in ItemBlock based on block's metadata

L1191[12:18:07] <Nitrodev> so i need to have the current block class i have to extend ItemBlock instead of Block?

L1192[12:18:20] <LatvianModder> lol no :D

L1193[12:18:29] <Nitrodev> i'm confused

L1194[12:18:30] <LatvianModder> ItemBlockMyBlock extends ItemBlock

L1195[12:19:10] <LatvianModder> and when you register in game registry, just use register(my_block, ItemBlockMyBlock.class) or smth. I havent used forge's game registry for few years now

L1196[12:20:04] <Nitrodev> again: so i need to have the current block class i have to extend ItemBlock instead of Block?

L1197[12:20:12] <LatvianModder> no

L1198[12:20:18] <Nitrodev> https://github.com/Nitrodev/ConstructIO/blob/master/src/main/java/com/nitrodev/constructio/blocks/WoodenShell.java

L1199[12:20:21] <LatvianModder> ItemBlock is an item. You need 2 classes

L1200[12:20:25] <Nitrodev> that's th blöockstate class i got

L1201[12:20:32] <Nitrodev> or block class rather

L1202[12:20:35] <LatvianModder> yeah, your Block class is fine

L1203[12:20:46] <LatvianModder> now create another class that extends ItemBlock

L1204[12:20:53] <Nitrodev> oh

L1205[12:21:26] <Wuppy> holy crap, vr gaming is fucking sick :O

L1206[12:22:03] <Wuppy> it does however also make you feel sick :P

L1207[12:22:18] <NitroxydeX> play rollercoaster with it

L1208[12:22:18] <NitroxydeX> xD

L1209[12:22:27] <Wuppy> I played a flying game with it

L1210[12:22:30] <Wuppy> and a space shooter

L1211[12:22:32] <NitroxydeX> xD nice

L1212[12:22:42] <Wuppy> I also viewed some flickr 360 pictures

L1213[12:22:53] <Wuppy> suddenly there was a young woman sitting where I thought was my desk

L1214[12:23:07] <IoP> wow!

L1215[12:23:11] <Wuppy> in the next pic there was an old bald guy sitting in my room :P

L1216[12:23:21] <IoP> :/

L1217[12:23:52] <Wuppy> you can also actually activate the camera of the samsung and see the actual world behind the game

L1218[12:24:01] <Wuppy> nothing I've tried is using that, but it's a cool idea

L1219[12:24:52] <Nitrodev> so what do i do in the itemblock class?

L1220[12:25:40] <Wuppy> I was feeling sick before putting on the headset... now I feel even sicker :<

L1221[12:28:31] <shadekiller666> wuppy, i wouldn't say that Gear VR is neccessarily the pinacle of VR gaming

L1222[12:28:33] <shadekiller666> :P

L1223[12:28:52] <Wuppy> it isn't, but for it's price it is amazing

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L1225[12:29:48] <Wuppy> also, I borrowed it from my university for free which is even better :D

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L1227[12:30:47] <shadekiller666> wondering if i should make a 1.9 branch and take a look at making sure the obj loader is compatible

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L1230[12:33:36] <shadekiller666> fry, what do you suggest? there are some significant changes to the obj loader in the pr with my updates (mainly getGeneralQuads(), OBJCustomData.java, and OBJState changes), and i saw that you made some changes to the released version of the obj loader in the 1.9 branch, which is obviously missing those updates in my pr

L1231[12:33:56] <Dereta> Hey Guys :) is there any Event wich is called when a player spawn a Mob via MonsterEgg or spawned by Mob Spawner? LivingSpawnEvent din't work :< i think i have to use PlayerInteract event for the Eggs but for Mob Spawner i din't have an idea :< MC 1.8... thanks

L1232[12:35:01] <gigaherz> Dereta: what do you want to achieve?

L1233[12:35:33] <SkySom> There's a SpecialEntitySpawn that says it is fired for an Entity spawned from a mob spawner?

L1234[12:35:49] <Dereta> change heal/name of a Mob... Like Zombie -> [Lv. 1] Zombie (heart)20

L1235[12:35:55] <Dereta> etcpp

L1236[12:36:06] <gigaherz> you can do that on EntityConstructing?

L1237[12:36:14] <gigaherz> or EntityJoinWorld?

L1238[12:36:44] <Dereta> how can i call this..

L1239[12:37:38] <Dereta> ah.. EntityJoinWorldEvent exist.. i'll try. 1 sec

L1240[12:37:48] <shadekiller666> !gf func_188618_c

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L1242[12:38:05] <shadekiller666> !gm func_188618_c

L1243[12:38:07] <shadekiller666> derp

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L1245[12:41:33] <Dereta> I can use EntityJoinWorldEvent :) <3 Thanks a Lotttt

L1246[12:41:49] <gigaherz> np

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L1248[12:45:52] <shadekiller666> fry, are you awake?

L1249[12:46:05] <gigaherz> well he's not |sleeping

L1250[12:46:21] <shadekiller666> he's also not |responding :P

L1251[12:47:07] <gigaherz> so it standas to reason, he's just busy or afk

L1252[12:47:08] <gigaherz> ;p

L1253[12:47:10] <McJty> He may be |busy or |ignoringyou :-)

L1254[12:47:24] <gigaherz> stands*

L1255[12:47:38] <gigaherz> people have more than two states

L1256[12:47:38] <gigaherz> XD

L1257[12:47:44] <gigaherz> it's not all "sleep" and "forge" ;P

L1258[12:47:55] <SkySom> We should fix it then.

L1259[12:48:05] <SkySom> More blockstates, but less devstates

L1260[12:48:48] <shadekiller666> i hope he's not |ignoringme because it would make things loads easier if i make the changes to the obj loader to make it 1.9 compatible than if someone else does it, because i know my updates that are waiting in the pr the most

L1261[12:48:49] <sham1> I'm not a block thank you very much

L1262[12:49:12] <McJty> sham1, btw, did you manage to get rftools working in your dev env

L1263[12:49:14] <McJty> ?

L1264[12:49:28] <sham1> No

L1265[12:49:34] <McJty> Do you use eclipse?

L1266[12:49:40] <sham1> Atm I am under furious wating

L1267[12:50:06] <sham1> For using it for code completion and running the instance yes

L1268[12:50:30] <McJty> Because several other people have reported several other mods not working exactly like that

L1269[12:50:35] <McJty> i.e. Thaumcraft, Tinkers

L1270[12:50:37] <McJty> And all in eclipose

L1271[12:50:48] <McJty> IntelliJ apparently doesn't have the problem

L1272[12:51:13] <sham1> I'd gladly move back to idea if their modal editing was better

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L1274[12:55:06] <sham1> very odd that eclipse has this problem

L1275[12:55:26] <sham1> Dunno if it is the internal class loading or whatever

L1276[12:56:28] <Adg> Im adding a TileEntitySpecialRenderer to my TE, but whenever I change blockstate the renderer disappears until I open gui...how to I force the renderer to update?

L1277[12:57:03] <sham1> The TE gets destroyed by default in blockstate change

L1278[12:57:29] <Adg> aah

L1279[12:57:54] <tterrag|phone> shouldRefresh

L1280[12:58:00] <tterrag|phone> override it

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L1283[13:05:43] <gigaherz> Adg: also remember the contents of the TE don't sync with the client thread automatically

L1284[13:05:49] <gigaherz> you have to update yourself

L1285[13:06:05] <gigaherz> (networking/packets)

L1286[13:06:26] <Adg> k, will look into it. thx =)

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L1298[13:42:52] <inqy> When I am sending data through PacketBuffer - I should be reading data in the same order I have written data to it, right? Not reverse.

L1299[13:43:02] <kashike> correct

L1300[13:43:06] <inqy> Thanks.

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L1302[13:43:41] <kashike> if you write: string1, int, string2 then you should read string1, int, string2

L1303[13:43:45] <kashike> for example. just to be clear

L1304[13:44:00] <williewillus> !um EntityPlayerSP

L1305[13:44:10] <inqy> yes, yes, understood :)

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L1310[13:59:50] <williewillus> the vanilla way of defining brewing recipes has changed entirely

L1311[13:59:58] <williewillus> it actually looks pretty suitable for modded use too

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L1313[14:01:28] <sham1> Yay

L1314[14:02:18] <williewillus> I started documenting https://gist.github.com/williewillus/e37edde85dc78d2e138c

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L1317[14:04:14] * SkySom applauds

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L1319[14:04:24] <SkySom> Already getting documentation going.

L1320[14:05:23] <williewillus> it's fun :P

L1321[14:05:29] <williewillus> and makes people port faster

L1322[14:07:42] <kashike> williewillus: ItemInWorldManager -> PlayerInteractionManager, ServerConfigurationManager -> PlayerList, DataWatcher -> EntityDataManager

L1323[14:07:50] <kashike> those are 3 more major ones

L1324[14:08:18] <kashike> oh, and Vec3 -> Vec3d

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L1326[14:08:31] <williewillus> nice thanks

L1327[14:08:38] <williewillus> ooh there's a datafixer framework 0.o

L1328[14:08:49] <williewillus> a centralized vanilla way to replace legacy NBT data with new formats

L1329[14:08:53] <kashike> yeah, it's pretty nice

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L1332[14:16:00] <shadekiller666> why does setupForge never run fully the first time...

L1333[14:16:32] <shadekiller666> whenever i want to apply new patches or something, it always freezes somewhere in the process

L1334[14:16:37] <kashike> does for me, what issue do you have?

L1335[14:16:54] <shadekiller666> if i close it and rerun setupForge, it runs fine

L1336[14:17:13] <shadekiller666> its stopped at 1003 KB/13.09 MB downloaded

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L1338[14:19:35] <tterrag|phone> williewillus: don't do this to me again

L1339[14:20:04] <williewillus> wat

L1340[14:20:18] <williewillus> ?

L1341[14:20:21] <tterrag|phone> write that as a page for the official docs

L1342[14:20:25] <tterrag|phone> Not some random gist

L1343[14:20:33] <williewillus> yeah but I can't edit the official docs whenever I want :P

L1344[14:20:42] <tterrag|phone> Sure you can

L1345[14:20:49] <shadekiller666> oh fucking hell, now it won't even get past the first step...

L1346[14:21:07] <tterrag|phone> As long as it's a sane change I can almost guarantee a merge within 12 hrs or so

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L1349[14:21:33] <tterrag|phone> Do enough right and maybe lex will add you as committer

L1350[14:21:40] <tterrag|phone> I'd vouch for it

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L1353[14:22:10] <Flashfire> Is it possible to have a multi layered item texture where one of the textures is a mask for the other?

L1354[14:22:28] <Flashfire> IE cut a shape out of a block

L1355[14:22:42] <tterrag|phone> Not without changing the blending mode

L1356[14:22:46] <tterrag|phone> (I.e. no)

L1357[14:22:59] <Flashfire> Oh I see

L1358[14:23:07] <williewillus> fine :P this one will be easier anyway since it's just one .md

L1359[14:23:25] <williewillus> the rendering one needs to be broken up and idk how to organize it

L1360[14:23:33] <Flashfire> It's never easy to make blocks/items compatible with resource packs :/

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L1362[14:23:59] <williewillus> why not?

L1363[14:24:02] <williewillus> esp in 1.8 :P

L1364[14:24:15] <gigaherz> seems easy to me ;P

L1365[14:24:54] <Flashfire> Well I can't make an item that is a shape cut out of a block texture

L1366[14:25:06] <LatvianModder> well.. you can I think

L1367[14:25:07] <Flashfire> So I'm forced to use the defautl texture and make a new image

L1368[14:25:08] <gigaherz> uh what woudl be the purposeof that?

L1369[14:25:23] <Flashfire> So that the texture is replaced when a texture pack is used

L1370[14:25:26] <LatvianModder> I think you can use block texture for item

L1371[14:25:40] <Flashfire> Yes but I don't want the whole thing, just a shape

L1372[14:25:59] <Flashfire> I'd actually like to have another texture as an overlay

L1373[14:26:02] <LatvianModder> arent there UVs for item renderers?

L1374[14:26:06] <williewillus> oh you want to slice a part off another texture

L1375[14:26:15] <williewillus> just generate a texture dynamically from the other one?

L1376[14:26:18] <williewillus> I'm sure that's possible

L1377[14:26:37] <Flashfire> I'm not sure where to look

L1378[14:26:45] <LatvianModder> at code :p

L1379[14:27:01] <Flashfire> I don't know what mods do this

L1380[14:27:39] <williewillus> huh

L1381[14:27:45] <williewillus> colorMultiplier got moved to a separate interface

L1382[14:27:53] <williewillus> !sm func_186720_a colorMultiplier

L1383[14:28:32] <williewillus> !sm func_186726_a getColorFromItemstack

L1384[14:31:19] <LatvianModder> huh? which one?

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L1386[14:32:20] <williewillus> in 1.9

L1387[14:32:42] <LatvianModder> oh. you already modding for 1.9?

L1388[14:32:51] <williewillus> no I'm helping name things

L1389[14:33:01] <LatvianModder> ah

L1390[14:33:17] <SkySom> Oh is that what sm is?

L1391[14:33:26] <LatvianModder> suggest mapping?

L1392[14:33:27] <williewillus> yeah I'm giving meaningful names to unnamed things

L1393[14:33:29] <williewillus> set method

L1394[14:33:35] <LatvianModder> close enough :P

L1395[14:34:24] <shadekiller666> O.O

L1396[14:34:39] <shadekiller666> speedfan is reading Core: 66C

L1397[14:36:25] <shadekiller666> Explorer.exe seems to have issues with not spiking cpu usage...

L1398[14:36:56] <shadekiller666> killing explorer.exe and restarting it dropped temp down to 60C almost immediately

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L1400[14:38:30] <Flashfire> Maybe I should wait til 1.9 and make my item a 3d model and then combine the block texture

L1401[14:38:41] <Flashfire> That way I won't need a mask

L1402[14:38:57] <williewillus> wat

L1403[14:39:06] <williewillus> 1.9's model capabilities are nearly the same as those of 1.8

L1404[14:39:09] <williewillus> there's only minor changes

L1405[14:39:22] <Flashfire> I thought I read that in 1.9 we can have 3d models for items

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L1407[14:40:23] <williewillus> you already can...

L1408[14:40:35] <Flashfire> Oh, my bad

L1409[14:40:37] <williewillus> how else do you think stairs render in inventory haha

L1410[14:40:47] <williewillus> those are items

L1411[14:40:56] <Flashfire> Items based on blocks

L1412[14:41:38] <Flashfire> I mean items without blocks to use the models of

L1413[14:41:43] <williewillus> yeah but the model system doesn't care

L1414[14:41:47] <williewillus> they're all the same

L1415[14:41:50] <Flashfire> Ok then

L1416[14:41:58] <williewillus> anything a block can do an item can do too it's the same model system

L1417[14:42:16] <mikebald> shadekiller666 that's a tad warm; I'm sitting at 1/2 that.

L1418[14:42:33] <williewillus> e.g. http://static.planetminecraft.com/files/resource_media/screenshot/1509/2015-02-26_1241558685234.jpg

L1419[14:42:39] <williewillus> vanilla 1.8 RP

L1420[14:42:40] <shadekiller666> right now its at 55C

L1421[14:42:58] <shadekiller666> but i've got more stuff running than usual

L1422[14:43:27] <shadekiller666> does the 1.9 github branch actually compile and run yet?

L1423[14:43:46] <shadekiller666> or are we waiting on other things?

L1424[14:43:46] <williewillus> depends on if some crtical patches are still out

L1425[14:43:49] <williewillus> I'm guessing not

L1426[14:44:03] <williewillus> I'm just going through, learning new stff, giving mcp names, and writing a 1.8->9 primer :P

L1427[14:44:09] <shadekiller666> OBJModel has errors with getGeneralQuads()

L1428[14:44:30] <shadekiller666> !gm func_188616_a

L1429[14:46:05] <Flashfire> I think I'll just use one item texture with many colorMultiplier variants

L1430[14:46:48] <Flashfire> Is there a color/shade that I can give a base item texture so it's possible to accurate get any of the colours that wool/stained glass use?

L1431[14:46:57] <williewillus> yup

L1432[14:47:04] <williewillus> EnumDyeColor.getMapColor().colorValue

L1433[14:47:10] <williewillus> returns a 0xRRGGBB

L1434[14:47:18] <Flashfire> Actually I meant in my texture

L1435[14:47:34] <williewillus> oh in vanilla they usually make it gray

L1436[14:47:40] <williewillus> grayscale*

L1437[14:47:46] <williewillus> and the colormultiplier applies the true color

L1438[14:47:50] <Flashfire> Alright, I thought that would keep it grayscale since there's no saturation

L1439[14:47:55] <Flashfire> Thanks a lot

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L1441[14:49:52] <williewillus> !sm func_185266_a freezeNearby

L1442[14:50:16] <shadekiller666> anyone know where the code for parsing itemstate jsons is in vanilla?

L1443[14:50:44] <sham1> In 1.9

L1444[14:50:53] <williewillus> ItemOverride is the deserialized form of part of it

L1445[14:51:03] <williewillus> not sure where the rest of it is

L1446[14:51:13] <gigaherz> shadekiller666: I thought they weren't really itemstates?

L1447[14:51:30] <williewillus> they're not

L1448[14:51:33] <williewillus> they're strict overrides

L1449[14:51:50] <shadekiller666> strict overrides of what?

L1450[14:51:51] <williewillus> "if x predicate in the code is true, switch the model completely to another one"

L1451[14:51:57] <shadekiller666> oh

L1452[14:52:06] <shadekiller666> because thats a brilliant way of doing it

L1453[14:52:09] <williewillus> thats what ItemOverride is

L1454[14:52:35] <gigaherz> itemstates would imply that you have something like new ItemStack(theItem.getDefaultState().withProperty(X, 1), 10)

L1455[14:52:38] <gigaherz> instead of (item, meta)

L1456[14:52:49] <gigaherz> and they most definitely haven't done that ;P

L1457[14:52:58] <shadekiller666> forge definitely has to do something with that :P

L1458[14:53:05] <gigaherz> the "states"

L1459[14:53:17] <gigaherz> are just for like, drawing the bow animations while the skeleton is drawing?

L1460[14:53:17] <shadekiller666> so that mods don't need to pull a mojang and make 65 jsons for 1 item

L1461[14:53:37] <gigaherz> or choosing which "rotation" to use for the clock

L1462[14:53:59] <shadekiller666> !f field_188028_a

L1463[14:54:06] <shadekiller666> !gf field_188028_a

L1464[14:55:13] <gigaherz> hmmm

L1465[14:55:23] <gigaherz> maybe we could do itemstates as a capability XD

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L1471[14:59:37] <gigaherz> MEHH

L1472[14:59:45] <gigaherz> so I have a "problem"

L1473[14:59:50] <gigaherz> probably a design problem XD

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L1475[15:00:12] <shadekiller666> k

L1476[15:00:18] <gigaherz> my nattrees mod uses models that extend beyong the block boundary

L1477[15:00:23] <gigaherz> to connect with the "parent branch"

L1478[15:00:37] <gigaherz> beyond*

L1479[15:00:49] <shadekiller666> k

L1480[15:00:49] <gigaherz> if I leave uvlock off, the textures rotate

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L1482[15:01:00] <gigaherz> if I leave uvlock on, they "wrap" sortof

L1483[15:01:07] <gigaherz> let me make a screenshot

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L1487[15:05:19] <gigaherz> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/743491/2016-03-04_22.04.54.png

L1488[15:05:36] <gigaherz> now the one solution I had for this

L1489[15:05:44] <LexManos> !gm field_185969_i

L1490[15:05:48] <LexManos> !gf field_185969_i

L1491[15:05:53] <gigaherz> was to have my block with one int property per side

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L1493[15:06:15] <gigaherz> which means 9 values ^ 6 sides * boolean for leaves on/off > 1 million blockstates

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L1495[15:06:28] <shadekiller666> O.o

L1496[15:06:30] <gigaherz> I have no idea how to approach this without generating the models in code XD

L1497[15:06:36] <shadekiller666> thats a wonky uv mapping you have there...

L1498[15:06:53] <gigaherz> shadekiller666: you see the part when it "wraps"? that's ouside the 0..1 range

L1499[15:07:22] <gigaherz> it only happens because of uvlock

L1500[15:07:38] <shadekiller666> is it wrapping horizontally or vertically?

L1501[15:08:15] <gigaherz> it's a separate model

L1502[15:08:17] <williewillus> !sm func_184776_b canJump

L1503[15:08:19] <gigaherz> eh

L1504[15:08:23] <gigaherz> a separate "box"

L1505[15:08:26] <LexManos> !sf field_185964_a END_STONE

L1506[15:08:38] <gigaherz> it's just getting deformed

L1507[15:08:53] <LexManos> !sf field_185965_b AIR

L1508[15:08:55] <shadekiller666> oh i see

L1509[15:08:57] <gigaherz> the uvlock system doesn't handle "from": [ 7, 7, -7 ], "to": [ 9, 9, 0 ],

L1510[15:09:02] <gigaherz> the way I'd like it to

L1511[15:09:03] <shadekiller666> near the bottom of the smaller box

L1512[15:09:03] <gigaherz> ;P

L1513[15:09:07] <gigaherz> yes

L1514[15:09:19] <gigaherz> that's the "block extension"

L1515[15:09:19] <LexManos> !sf field_73214_a scaleNoise

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L1517[15:09:39] <LexManos> !sf field_73212_b depthNoise

L1518[15:09:54] <williewillus> woohoo naming

L1519[15:10:15] <gigaherz> so yeah I think it's a bug "by design": blocks are not really supposed to extend beyond the block bounds

L1520[15:10:24] <shadekiller666> so is that a single block? or is it two blocks?

L1521[15:10:34] <williewillus> !sf field_184560_g potionType

L1522[15:10:43] <williewillus> !gf field_184561_h

L1523[15:11:38] <gigaherz> AH I think I know what my issue is: my default orientation is "north", it should be "down"

L1524[15:11:46] <gigaherz> then uvlock:false would behave as expected

L1525[15:13:24] <williewillus> so how does this structure block work

L1526[15:13:28] <LexManos> !sf field_185973_o islandNoise

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L1528[15:16:56] <williewillus> what's the difference between a fixer/walker in the datafix package?

L1529[15:18:00] <LexManos> one walks data to fire the other

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L1532[15:27:07] <williewillus> wow a ton of stuff got pulled up to IBlockProperties

L1533[15:27:34] <gigaherz> :3 fixed

L1534[15:28:40] <williewillus> !sm func_185892_j getAmbientOcclusionLightValue

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L1536[15:29:22] <williewillus> !sm func_185485_f getAmbientOcclusionLightValue

L1537[15:30:37] <diesieben07> oh come on eclipse you piece of shit... http://i.imgur.com/HeycbOd.png

L1538[15:31:00] <williewillus> !sf field_184158_M ambienceTicks

L1539[15:33:09] <williewillus> !sf field_184157_a viewableChunks

L1540[15:33:57] <gigaherz> diesieben07: setting up forge? XD

L1541[15:34:12] <diesieben07> i renamed a method and then undid that change

L1542[15:34:27] <diesieben07> it then opened that dialog and did... stuff for 2 minutes

L1543[15:35:00] <sham1> Poor diesieb

L1544[15:35:38] <diesieben07> /eclipse rant

L1545[15:37:31] <Wuppy> ugh why does being sick make you so damn lazy....

L1546[15:37:50] <LexManos> !gf ChunkProviderEnd.noiseGen5

L1547[15:38:26] <williewillus> !sm func_184156_a playSound

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L1549[15:39:19] <williewillus> !sm func_184154_a buildChunkCoordList

L1550[15:39:41] <sham1> Because Wuppy, you are supposed to recover while ill

L1551[15:40:02] <williewillus> !sm func_184162_i playerCheckLight

L1552[15:40:09] <Wuppy> I know, but I at least want to be slightly useful :<

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L1554[15:40:35] <sham1> The only useful thing a sick person can do is recover

L1555[15:40:47] <Wuppy> or party

L1556[15:40:49] <Wuppy> .... right?

L1557[15:40:58] <williewillus> mutable blockposes have an object pool now

L1558[15:40:59] <williewillus> wat

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L1561[15:41:47] <sham1> I did specify useful thing

L1562[15:42:17] <williewillus> it's pooled for collisions and stuff it seems

L1563[15:42:24] <williewillus> is it really that optimal to have pools for that?

L1564[15:42:35] <SkySom> Maybe?

L1565[15:42:37] <tterrag> mojang: add pooling -> remove pooling -> add pooling back

L1566[15:42:46] <tterrag> they really cant' decide if it's helpful or not

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L1568[15:42:52] <Wuppy> sham1, problem is this weekend is carnaval so I don't have a choice :V

L1569[15:43:08] <williewillus> !sm func_185337_c offset

L1570[15:43:13] <sham1> Sure you have

L1571[15:43:19] <sham1> Just don't attend

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L1573[15:43:25] <kashike> tterrag: well, pooling used to be used for everything iirc, now only in certain cases

L1574[15:43:28] <williewillus> !sm func_185337_c offsetMutable

L1575[15:43:42] <sham1> It might be boring but it is still a choise

L1576[15:43:44] <tterrag> I already went on a naming spree a few days ago

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L1578[15:43:54] <williewillus> !sm func_185341_c offsetMutable

L1579[15:43:59] <tterrag> named all the ItemOverride stuff

L1580[15:44:00] <williewillus> it's pretty fun :P

L1581[15:44:04] <tterrag> and what was left in IBlockProperties

L1582[15:44:09] <williewillus> I named all of loot tables and some of the new potion stuff

L1583[15:44:10] <Wuppy> sham1, a great friend of mine is coming over

L1584[15:44:17] <Wuppy> so yeah... parties will be had

L1585[15:44:22] <williewillus> the new brewing recipe registration looks good

L1586[15:44:28] <williewillus> probably could be used by mods almost as is

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L1588[15:48:04] <shadekiller666> fucking hell

L1589[15:48:55] <williewillus> what

L1590[15:48:56] <shadekiller666> trying to run setupForge again to switch back to my obj loader branch and its getting stuck on decompileJar - at which point it spikes my cpu usage and the temps skyrocket...

L1591[15:49:18] <kashike> that's normal now :p

L1592[15:49:42] <shadekiller666> having Core at 71C is normal?

L1593[15:50:14] <kashike> during decompile? sure

L1594[15:50:16] <shadekiller666> right now i'm at Core 36C without the task running

L1595[15:50:26] <mikebald> shadekiller666 laptop?

L1596[15:50:30] <shadekiller666> no

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L1598[15:51:27] <shadekiller666> why is the temperature jumping 40C when running the java decompiler...

L1599[15:51:51] <gigaherz> hmmm

L1600[15:51:57] <shadekiller666> i'm surprised the hardware didn't force shutdown...

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L1602[15:51:59] <LexManos> !gf noiseGen6

L1603[15:52:04] <gigaherz> what flags should I use on setBlockState during worldgen decoration?

L1604[15:52:10] <shadekiller666> maybe that max temp is higher than i though

L1605[15:52:14] <williewillus> gigaherz: 2

L1606[15:52:19] <williewillus> is waht vanilla uses at least

L1607[15:52:24] <gigaherz> thought so

L1608[15:52:25] <gigaherz> thx

L1609[15:52:26] <mikebald> shadekiller666 it'll throttle if it gets too warm. [well, it should]

L1610[15:52:32] <gigaherz> hopefully this fixes the "already decorating" issue

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L1612[15:53:04] <shadekiller666> ya, it usually does that as soon as the temperature hits 60C

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L1614[15:53:49] <SirSavary> Intel or AMD

L1615[15:53:57] <SirSavary> Most CPUs I know of won't show down to like 90c

L1616[15:54:00] <SirSavary> *shut down

L1617[15:54:08] <mikebald> During the decomp, my cpu cores don't go above 40, but I also have an all-in-one water-cooling system setup, H100 I I think

L1618[15:54:20] <williewillus> !sm field_186454_b poolConditions

L1619[15:54:28] <williewillus> !sf field_186454_b poolConditions

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L1621[15:54:43] <williewillus> !sf field_186453_a lootEntries

L1622[15:54:43] <shadekiller666> AMD FX-6350 Vishera 6-core

L1623[15:55:29] <SirSavary> My AMD 8350 wouldn't shut down until around 95

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L1625[15:55:34] <SirSavary> I imagine yours is similar

L1626[15:55:37] <shadekiller666> should i let it run and see what happens?

L1627[15:55:47] <SirSavary> You should be fine, just monitor it

L1628[15:55:51] <SirSavary> If it hits 80c stop it

L1629[15:55:55] <williewillus> !sf field_186455_c rolls

L1630[15:56:04] <williewillus> !sf field_186456_d bonusRolls

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L1632[15:56:11] <SirSavary> Is your CPU cooler all dusty?

L1633[15:56:50] * mikebald looks at the TDP of the 6350. Huh; that's a bit high.

L1634[15:56:52] <Arctic_Wolfy> Is there a way to get what a block would drop if it was in world but w/o the block being in world?

L1635[15:57:13] <williewillus> block.getDrops?

L1636[15:58:21] <Arctic_Wolfy> Hmm... Maybe, but what about a tile entity?

L1637[15:58:32] <williewillus> uhh how would that work

L1638[15:58:38] <williewillus> not sure whats being asked

L1639[15:58:41] <shadekiller666> TDP?

L1640[15:58:46] <mikebald> shadekiller666 one thing to be concerned about is AMD's site lists the max temp for your processor at 61 degrees

L1641[15:59:06] <mikebald> TDP: Thermal Design Power

L1642[15:59:20] <shadekiller666> well

L1643[15:59:26] <SirSavary> All the latest AMDs have stupid high TDP

L1644[15:59:34] <shadekiller666> speedfan has 6 temp readings for this machine

L1645[15:59:53] <mikebald> SirSavary yah I noticed that; one like 200 watt... that's crazy

L1646[16:00:14] <SirSavary> Switched from an 8350 to a 6th gen Intel

L1647[16:00:18] <SirSavary> never looked backl

L1648[16:00:27] <killjoy> Lucky

L1649[16:00:32] <killjoy> I only have a 8150

L1650[16:00:34] <shadekiller666> Temp1 hit about 68, Temp2 hit about 60, Temp3 stayed around 30, HD0 stayed at 30, GPU stayed at 33, and Core hit 71

L1651[16:00:35] <Arctic_Wolfy> I'm making a item that can cut and paste a section of the world, but I'm adding a blacklist of blocks, and I want the stuff from the block to be dropped if it encounters a blacklisted block when it's "pasted".

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L1653[16:01:09] <shadekiller666> i'm a little concerned with Intel CPUs atm

L1654[16:01:32] <shadekiller666> they're talking about built-in private encryption keys...

L1655[16:01:59] <shadekiller666> which is a terrible idea from a "keep pc open" standpoint...

L1656[16:02:29] <shadekiller666> mikebald, i don't think 61C is the correct number

L1657[16:03:01] <shadekiller666> and yes, my cpu fan is probably dusty

L1658[16:03:06] <mikebald> shadekiller666 fair enough; I use CPUID's HWMonitor and I get the full gambit of info

L1659[16:03:24] <williewillus> the lootentry serialization method uses inheritance but the ddeserialize doesnt -.-

L1660[16:04:19] <SirSavary> Can't beat the performance though, even with a private key

L1661[16:04:28] <SirSavary> Mine is 3 to 4 times faster than my 8350

L1662[16:04:34] <SirSavary> with OC

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L1664[16:04:43] <shadekiller666> yes, intel is faster

L1665[16:04:56] <SirSavary> it also idles at one degree above room temp

L1666[16:05:03] <SirSavary> my AMD idled at about 20 over room temp

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L1668[16:05:35] <shadekiller666> but as soon as cpus start being made with hardware-specific private encryption keys, buying things online gets a whole lot more shitty if the company you're buying from doesn't like you

L1669[16:05:55] * mikebald recommends a Corsair H100 [or H100i]

L1670[16:06:19] <SirSavary> I'll deal with it it when the times comes

L1671[16:06:21] <SirSavary> *time

L1672[16:06:28] <SirSavary> I've got a Corsair 110

L1673[16:06:31] <SirSavary> it's a good system

L1674[16:07:16] <shadekiller666> you start having companies that maintain lists of band cpu keys, and companies that subscribe to this list then don't allow any of them to purchase software or use their marketplaces, and the only way to get off the list is to change your $400 cpu

L1675[16:07:35] <SirSavary> I don't really see that panning out

L1676[16:07:43] <shadekiller666> Corsair H100?

L1677[16:07:46] <SirSavary> It's anti competitive

L1678[16:07:53] <SirSavary> besides, how are they going to stop me?

L1679[16:07:55] <SirSavary> from buying software

L1680[16:08:06] <shadekiller666> ...

L1681[16:08:16] <MalkContent> is there a redstone wire mod for 1.8.9 besides charset?

L1682[16:08:26] <shadekiller666> you know how public and private encryption keys work right?

L1683[16:08:30] <SirSavary> is the redpower2 fork not updated?

L1684[16:08:32] <SirSavary> Of course I do

L1685[16:08:36] <shadekiller666> ok

L1686[16:08:39] <SirSavary> but most software is purchased online

L1687[16:08:44] <SirSavary> I doubt Chrome is going to expose my key to JS

L1688[16:08:45] <MalkContent> what rp2 fork?

L1689[16:08:51] <SirSavary> let me find it

L1690[16:09:34] <shadekiller666> well, think of this, you go to buy a game on Origin for example, and Origin asks for your public key, encrypts the software you're downloading so that only your cpu can unencrypt it

L1691[16:09:46] <gigaherz> MalkContent

L1692[16:09:49] <gigaherz> I'm looking through curse

L1693[16:09:50] <gigaherz> http://mods.curse.com/mc-mods/minecraft/redstone-paste

L1694[16:09:53] <shadekiller666> 1. now that download is forever tied to your cpu

L1695[16:10:13] <SirSavary> ah shit, it's called Project Red but it isn't updated for 1.8.9

L1696[16:10:30] <gigaherz> that one is the only one I can see

L1697[16:10:32] <shadekiller666> 2. if EA subscribes to one of these "ban lists" (you know they would), all of a sudden Origin says "fuck you, i won't let you download this"

L1698[16:10:39] <MalkContent> that's more of a remake than a fork mate :P

L1699[16:10:42] <SirSavary> mb

L1700[16:10:44] <MalkContent> but yea

L1701[16:10:46] <SirSavary> thought it was a fork

L1702[16:10:46] <MalkContent> np

L1703[16:10:56] <MalkContent> ty giga

L1704[16:11:01] <SirSavary> So they won't let me download it

L1705[16:11:08] <SirSavary> but don't I already have it installed?

L1706[16:11:12] <shadekiller666> nope

L1707[16:11:12] <MalkContent> but that's not for me

L1708[16:11:18] <SirSavary> Alright so I buy a game

L1709[16:11:23] <SirSavary> which is encrypted with my public key

L1710[16:11:32] <SirSavary> but I'm on a ban list so I can't download it

L1711[16:11:35] <SirSavary> or what I don't really follow

L1712[16:11:39] <williewillus> i wish I could see my mcp bot changes immediately

L1713[16:11:42] <SirSavary> Did I get banned after I bought it?

L1714[16:11:49] <shadekiller666> no

L1715[16:11:56] <williewillus> it makes mapping things that dpeend on it easier

L1716[16:12:10] <SirSavary> So I was banned already, but they let me buy it anyway?

L1717[16:12:34] <MalkContent> dammit

L1718[16:12:36] <shadekiller666> they might not even let you buy it

L1719[16:12:44] <gigaherz> MalkContent: you can always replace the redstone circuits with like, computercraft or opencomputers? ;P

L1720[16:12:46] <SirSavary> Alright, well if I'm banned and can't buy something than w/e

L1721[16:12:57] <SirSavary> You can get banned from steam or origin fairly easily

L1722[16:13:05] <shadekiller666> no

L1723[16:13:12] <shadekiller666> not just steam or origin

L1724[16:13:23] <MalkContent> i got oc, but doing "simple" redstone with that is very ressource intensive and not effective

L1725[16:13:27] <shadekiller666> but any company that decided that they wanted to do this

L1726[16:13:35] <SirSavary> Alright, so I'm on a ban list

L1727[16:13:42] <SirSavary> that is locked to my CPU because it has a unique identifier

L1728[16:13:43] <williewillus> ugh beacons still use potion ids

L1729[16:13:44] <williewillus> really

L1730[16:13:47] <MalkContent> i just hope multipart get's done soon and then someone does a simple redstone wiremd

L1731[16:13:52] <williewillus> !sm func_184279_f isBeaconEffect

L1732[16:14:01] <williewillus> !sf field_184280_f effectSet

L1733[16:14:16] <SirSavary> I don't know if I understand what purpose

L1734[16:14:18] <MalkContent> and sweet talks forge into hosting it so we get a semi official redstone wire mod that gets maintained

L1735[16:14:18] <SirSavary> banning me has

L1736[16:14:20] <SirSavary> and sharing it has

L1737[16:14:42] <shadekiller666> well

L1738[16:14:52] <shadekiller666> Ubisoft and EA are terrified of piracy

L1739[16:15:25] <MalkContent> shoot the customer, before he turns into a pirate

L1740[16:15:31] <MalkContent> the zombie apocalypse approach

L1741[16:15:35] <shadekiller666> so if your key was found trying to encrypt a pirated copy of something, you're all of a sudden on this list

L1742[16:15:36] <SirSavary> so I pirate a game, get banned, now I can't buy any games

L1743[16:15:52] <SirSavary> that would just make everyone pirate everything

L1744[16:15:56] <shadekiller666> the point is that its not just tied to games

L1745[16:15:58] <SirSavary> because you can't buy stuff legit anymore

L1746[16:16:48] <shadekiller666> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eULB8uMIuc

L1747[16:17:05] <williewillus> okay tired of naming lol

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L1749[16:18:11] <luacs1998> shadekiller666, any proof that something like that is going to happen?

L1750[16:18:26] <shadekiller666> intel says its in the works

L1751[16:18:32] <luacs1998> for steam at least gaben would become the greatest hypocrite ever

L1752[16:18:33] <shadekiller666> or at least they're thinking about it

L1753[16:18:52] <luacs1998> so much for "open platform" and all

L1754[16:19:06] <shadekiller666> i have a decent faith in Valve not being one of those companies, but who knows

L1755[16:19:10] <shadekiller666> exactly

L1756[16:20:48] <MalkContent> as long as steam stays out of it i don't think i care

L1757[16:21:00] <MalkContent> i know gog will stay out of it, and there's my single player

L1758[16:21:01] <luacs1998> well, valve have been dipping their toes into bigcorp pool

L1759[16:21:01] <gigaherz> this is something that was coming for like 15 years

L1760[16:21:05] <MalkContent> my multiplayer's at steam

L1761[16:21:09] <shadekiller666> like i said, theres nothing that says that this would be games-only

L1762[16:21:21] <gigaherz> games are the least of their purposes

L1763[16:21:30] <gigaherz> "banning players" is a minimal side-effect

L1764[16:21:35] <gigaherz> the whole purpose of those things

L1765[16:22:03] <gigaherz> is to provide unbreakable DRM for "walled garden" stores

L1766[16:22:09] <MalkContent> and the last ubi/ea game i bought is a looong time ago

L1767[16:22:10] <gigaherz> (cellphone-style)

L1768[16:22:15] <MalkContent> well fuck that

L1769[16:22:26] <Arctic_Wolfy> Does Minecraft's chat support \t?

L1770[16:22:31] <gigaherz> including media such as movies and music

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L1772[16:22:40] <MalkContent> \t?

L1773[16:22:43] <gigaherz> tab char

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L1775[16:22:48] <Arctic_Wolfy> ^

L1776[16:23:06] <MalkContent> launch and try :|

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L1778[16:24:49] <manmaed> iis there a trap with the Github 1.9 forge when a user makes there own mdk?

L1779[16:25:42] <gigaherz> uh 1.9 branch doesn't work yet

L1780[16:25:53] <gigaherz> they are still hard at work making things fit together again

L1781[16:26:01] <gigaherz> I don't think it can even compile

L1782[16:26:21] <gigaherz> MDKs should start coming early next week

L1783[16:26:25] <gigaherz> if all goes well

L1784[16:26:28] <gigaherz> we have to be patient ;P

L1785[16:26:32] <shadekiller666> giga, that is the intention yes, but as soon as its something in the hardware of every cpu in the world, companies will use it for more than that

L1786[16:26:35] <shadekiller666> guaranteed

L1787[16:26:47] <gigaherz> of curse

L1788[16:26:51] <gigaherz> but of all the bad things they can do

L1789[16:26:57] <gigaherz> "banlists" are the least of my concerns

L1790[16:26:57] <gigaherz> XD

L1791[16:27:10] <shadekiller666> mhmm

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L1796[16:29:50] <shadekiller666> oh, and you know that whole thing with the FBI and Apple right now

L1797[16:30:12] <shadekiller666> imagine that on over half of the cpus on the planet

L1798[16:31:58] <Unh0ly_Tigg> So, with the mcp csv files on the mcpbot export site, they only cover srg->mcp mapping, but there's no mojang->srg mapping included, is there a place that's stored?

L1799[16:31:59] <SirSavary> I don't see how that applies to it

L1800[16:32:08] <SirSavary> The FBI Apple thing is unrelated to SGX

L1801[16:32:14] <SirSavary> However, with unbreakable DRM

L1802[16:32:23] <SirSavary> if someone manages to get the key out of a CPU they can crack every game with it

L1803[16:32:25] <SirSavary> which is neat

L1804[16:32:45] <shadekiller666> its not really unrelated

L1805[16:33:05] <gigaherz> shadekiller666: uh encryption is actually good for that case?

L1806[16:33:08] <SirSavary> The FBI wants Apple to weaken the security on one phone / all phones, how is this related?

L1807[16:33:22] <gigaherz> if iPhones weren't encrypted

L1808[16:33:29] <gigaherz> the FBI could just spy on your phones without even having to ask

L1809[16:33:39] <gigaherz> and yeah, they are asking apple to provide a weakened firmware

L1810[16:33:50] <gigaherz> that they can use "with permission from a judge"

L1811[16:33:53] <SirSavary> I don't feel like it's related to SGX

L1812[16:33:54] <shadekiller666> imagine every machine with an intel cpu has all data on the HD encrypted, and the FBI wants Intel to open a door into their cpus

L1813[16:33:55] <gigaherz> to break encryption on phones

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L1815[16:34:10] <gigaherz> shadekiller666: then they can simply say "no can do, it's hardcoded"

L1816[16:34:36] <shadekiller666> true

L1817[16:34:42] <SirSavary> I seriously doubt anyone is going to buy a system that locks their HDD to the CPU

L1818[16:34:49] <SirSavary> if the CPU goes you lose all your data

L1819[16:34:56] <shadekiller666> if done correctly the only way to get the private key would be to hack the hardware

L1820[16:35:04] <bspkrs> Unh0ly_Tigg, http://mcpbot.bspk.rs/mcp/1.9/mcp-1.9-srg.zip

L1821[16:35:06] <SirSavary> not to mention upgrading a system would involve decrypting the entire HDD

L1822[16:35:09] <gigaherz> SirSavary: actually that's useful in some cases

L1823[16:35:20] <shadekiller666> that assumes that the people purchasing said cpu know about it

L1824[16:35:20] <gigaherz> such as enterprise secrets

L1825[16:35:22] <SirSavary> Definitely, but to most people it's going to be a turn off

L1826[16:35:26] <gigaherz> you WANT the data to be lost

L1827[16:35:28] <gigaherz> rather than stolen

L1828[16:35:35] <bspkrs> I need to add a link to those somewhere

L1829[16:37:30] <shadekiller666> gigaherz, but thats the only time you'd want it

L1830[16:37:44] <gigaherz> the only time YOU want it

L1831[16:37:57] <SirSavary> Yeah, I could see myself using it for a PC with things I want secret that I don't plan on upgrading

L1832[16:37:59] <gigaherz> it is possible to sell the idea to less informed people

L1833[16:38:07] <gigaherz> that hardware encryption is good for you

L1834[16:38:09] <SirSavary> but it introduces a ton of problems

L1835[16:38:14] <gigaherz> because they are safer with it

L1836[16:38:21] <SirSavary> You now have a PC that is difficult to upgrade and impossible to restore

L1837[16:38:27] <SirSavary> You can probably mislead consumers

L1838[16:38:32] <shadekiller666> yep

L1839[16:38:36] <gigaherz> while at the same time selling them cloud backup solutions

L1840[16:38:37] <SirSavary> but at some point there's going to be a big shit show over it

L1841[16:38:39] <shadekiller666> and thats exactly what would happen

L1842[16:38:42] <gigaherz> for the case when they lose their cpu

L1843[16:38:42] <gigaherz> ;P

L1844[16:39:03] <gigaherz> here is what I said many years ago

L1845[16:39:05] <SirSavary> It probably violates some sort of collusion laws to lock consumers data to a specific CPU

L1846[16:39:06] <gigaherz> and I still say today:

L1847[16:39:08] <SirSavary> and force them to use a cloud platform

L1848[16:39:17] <shadekiller666> i doubt it

L1849[16:39:19] <gigaherz> there will always be market for open computers

L1850[16:39:27] <gigaherz> if intel locks down their things

L1851[16:39:37] <shadekiller666> DRM/DMCA laws are riddled with loopholes

L1852[16:39:39] <gigaherz> AMD or whoever can say "well we sell OPEN machines isntead"

L1853[16:40:03] <SirSavary> It's not a DRM or DMCA thing

L1854[16:40:07] <SirSavary> It's a competition thing

L1855[16:40:10] <SirSavary> maybe the US is different

L1856[16:40:10] <shadekiller666> it is DRM

L1857[16:40:16] <shadekiller666> it is the most evil DRM

L1858[16:40:22] <SirSavary> Encrypting a user's entire drive

L1859[16:40:29] <SirSavary> isn't really DRM, you're not locking a specific app

L1860[16:40:32] <SirSavary> you're locking everything

L1861[16:40:35] <SirSavary> including photos and what not

L1862[16:40:44] <shadekiller666> i'm not saying it would encrypt the entire HD directly

L1863[16:41:14] <shadekiller666> but everything you downloaded from a site that uses this DRM is encrypted and locked to your cpu

L1864[16:41:49] <Arctic_Wolfy> Okay... \t... kinda works... but shows a visable char there...

L1865[16:41:59] <shadekiller666> a file you made, like a word document, wouldn't be encrypted

L1866[16:41:59] <SirSavary> Then just use a non-SGX CPU

L1867[16:42:17] <shadekiller666> that also assumes that non-SGX cpus exist :P

L1868[16:42:47] <SirSavary> Intel is pretty quick to show off new instructions

L1869[16:42:47] <shadekiller666> but yes, i agree with gigaherz, there will likely be companies that emphasize non-SGX cpus

L1870[16:43:01] <SirSavary> Intel will just lose customers

L1871[16:44:31] <shadekiller666> ideally

L1872[16:44:53] <shadekiller666> but i don't think their market share would decrease all that much

L1873[16:44:57] <SirSavary> Enterprise won't be happy that they can't replace CPUs

L1874[16:45:14] <SirSavary> it probably won't until the CPUs burn out a few years down the line

L1875[16:45:18] <SirSavary> and people realize they're totally fucked

L1876[16:46:01] <SirSavary> I wish intel would just hurry up and fix transactional memory

L1877[16:46:04] <shadekiller666> or go to upgrade and install a larger HD

L1878[16:46:18] <SirSavary> Yes

L1879[16:46:21] <SirSavary> or switch their CPU

L1880[16:46:27] <SirSavary> imagine selling your old one and tossing a new one in

L1881[16:46:43] <SirSavary> or if a CPU just dies on you

L1882[16:46:51] <SirSavary> is your data insured or covered under the CPU warranty?

L1883[16:47:04] <shadekiller666> i can totally see CPU+HD bundles with pre-loaded games being a thing...

L1884[16:47:36] <shadekiller666> would you be able to ask Intel for a new CPU with the same private key

L1885[16:47:51] <SirSavary> see that wouldn't work on an enterprise level

L1886[16:48:03] <SirSavary> because you'd have a server down for weeks while you wait for a CPU with the same key to come in

L1887[16:48:18] <shadekiller666> yep

L1888[16:48:26] <manmaed> maybe there would be a password type thing you have to enter to allow a new cpu to be used?

L1889[16:48:37] <shadekiller666> that wouldn't work

L1890[16:48:46] <shadekiller666> its dual-key encryption

L1891[16:48:58] <SirSavary> The only thing I could see happening is Intel producing a batch of CPUs with the same key

L1892[16:49:00] <SirSavary> for a company

L1893[16:49:02] <shadekiller666> its mathematically impossible to decrypt that data with any other key

L1894[16:50:11] <shadekiller666> the way dual-key encryption works is that you have a public and private key, the public key can be used to encrypt software that only your private key can decrypt

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L1897[16:52:30] <SirSavary> If anyone knows how to dynamically generate models for ITEMS (i.e. sword) during the ModelBakeEvent and could lend some advice that'd be great

L1898[16:54:55] <gigaherz> SirSavary: it's the same, you just have to call ModelLoader.setCustomModelResourceLocation, to be the same that you used in ModelBakeEvent

L1899[16:55:48] <SirSavary> https://gist.github.com/sirsavary/9aab1ed04ff31fc6f274

L1900[16:55:56] <SirSavary> is what I'm using currently but it throws an error in game

L1901[16:55:59] <SirSavary> Rendering error

L1902[16:56:15] <SirSavary> I will try using ModelLoader one sec

L1903[16:57:09] <SirSavary> with that gist, ModelLoader.setCustomModelResourceLocation(copperAxe, 0, new ModelResourceLocation(MODID + ":copper_axe", "normal"));

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L1905[16:57:15] <SirSavary> is what I'm using but it's still giving the same error

L1906[16:57:43] <shadekiller666> about the position of SGX in intel's pipeline: https://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2013/09/26/protecting-application-secrets-with-intel-sgx

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L1908[16:58:19] <SirSavary> It definitely has non-malicious uses

L1909[17:01:59] <shadekiller666> yes

L1910[17:02:17] <shadekiller666> but those same uses can be exploited to no end

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L1925[17:26:57] <SirSavary> gigaherz: So it turns out I still had blockstate files last night and ModelBakeEvent was never being called (I forget to register) and now that it is registered, it doesn't work

L1926[17:26:58] <SirSavary> https://gist.github.com/sirsavary/805d9d597d3df1788b94

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L1928[17:27:01] <SirSavary> is the entire method

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L1930[17:27:16] <SirSavary> "copper_ore" is just something I'm substituted in because I know it exists

L1931[17:27:24] <SirSavary> I'm registering a block with that same name

L1932[17:27:34] <SirSavary> and there's a copper_ore.png in my textures/blocks/ directory

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L1934[17:30:25] <LexManos> !gf genNetherBridge

L1935[17:31:17] <gigaherz> HAH, I loaded a 1.8 save where I had added a couple mods, in vanilla 1.9

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L1938[17:31:40] <gigaherz> mod chests turned into those weird rods they added

L1939[17:32:00] <tterrag> gigaherz: would this math not set the center of a circle such that its x coordinate is within the screen bounds? b->setCenter({(lib::rand_float() * ((screenBounds[1] - r) - screenBounds[0])) + screenBounds[0], c.y});

L1940[17:32:00] <tterrag> [1] is max x and [0] is min x

L1941[17:32:05] <SirSavary> not bad, could have been worse

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L1943[17:32:33] <SirSavary> Is there anything visibly wrong with my code btw? I can place the copper_ore block but it's texture is pink and black squares

L1944[17:32:44] <SirSavary> I'm not sure if that means it couldn't find my texture at all, or if I botched the bake event

L1945[17:32:48] <SirSavary> (entirely)

L1946[17:33:11] <gigaherz> SirSavary: sorry my brain's sortof melted right now, that's why I was messing around with old saves ;p

L1947[17:33:22] <SirSavary> Naw don't worry

L1948[17:33:34] <SirSavary> this is my fault for forgetting to register my bloody event

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L1950[17:33:50] <SirSavary> and my render error was actually my creative tab not having an icon set properly RIP

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L1952[17:35:55] <gigaherz> tterrag: that is basically "xmin + rand * (xmax-xmin)", right?

L1953[17:36:05] <tterrag> yeah

L1954[17:36:14] <gigaherz> if so, wouldn't bounds[0] also need +r?

L1955[17:36:21] <tterrag> Maybe

L1956[17:36:23] <tterrag> heh

L1957[17:36:27] <gigaherz> xmin=left+r, xmax=right-r

L1958[17:36:58] <gigaherz> and thne (xmax-xmin) wouldbe (right-left-r*2)

L1959[17:37:01] <gigaherz> overall

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L1961[17:37:14] <gigaherz> left + r + rand*(right-left-r*2)

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L1963[17:40:07] <tterrag> gigaherz: still getting bubbles clipping into the edges when I resize :/

L1964[17:40:28] <gigaherz> do you update the bounds values correctly? XD

L1965[17:40:46] <tterrag> yes, otherwise the rest wouldn't bounce correctly

L1966[17:41:02] <tterrag> this is the full code, now http://puu.sh/nv28U.txt

L1967[17:42:41] <gigaherz> || c.y + r > screenBounds[2])

L1968[17:42:44] <gigaherz> should be [3]

L1969[17:42:53] <tterrag> doi

L1970[17:43:06] <gigaherz> I cna't see anything specifically wrong otherwise

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L1972[17:43:28] <tterrag> yeah that was it

L1973[17:43:30] <tterrag> can't get any to clip now

L1974[17:43:58] <tterrag> I think I'm gonna make it simpler though

L1975[17:44:09] <tterrag> ehh maybe not, it would require 4 cases instead of two

L1976[17:44:21] <tterrag> was going to make it just push them to the edge, instead of a full reset

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L1985[17:51:54] <gigaherz> so yeah 1.9 combat: I was just tryingit out, not bad at all.

L1986[17:52:08] <gigaherz> the one annoyance is having torches on the offhand = placing torches all over the place by mistake

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L1992[18:00:30] <SirSavary> anyone see anything wrong with this: https://gist.github.com/sirsavary/805d9d597d3df1788b94 ?

L1993[18:00:43] <SirSavary> Can't find any good uses of retexture

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L2018[18:51:48] <Pomelo_n> Is there any reason not to develop for 1.8.9?

L2019[18:51:58] <gigaherz> nope

L2020[18:52:08] <gigaherz> anything you do on 1.8.9 will be useful for 1.9

L2021[18:52:20] <gigaherz> MDK for 1.9 won't be out for a few days yet

L2022[18:52:26] <gigaherz> (and will be in beta afterward)

L2023[18:52:27] <Pomelo_n> Hm

L2024[18:52:35] <gigaherz> so you may as well start on 1.9

L2025[18:52:37] <gigaherz> eh

L2026[18:52:38] <gigaherz> on 1.8.9

L2027[18:52:44] <gigaherz> and just do a quick port to 1.9 later

L2028[18:53:23] <Pomelo_n> Thanks. I made a small mod back in 1.6.4, looking to see if I can get back in the process, maybe learn how to mod with Scala.

L2029[18:53:39] <Pomelo_n> Although I'd imagine it's a case of importing the libs, and that's about it.

L2030[18:53:54] <gigaherz> yeh pretty much the same as modding on java, xcept you sue scala

L2031[18:54:09] <Pomelo_n> Thanks, gig.

L2032[18:54:55] <diesieben07> we should definitely all sue scala

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L2035[18:57:46] <gigaherz> XD

L2036[18:57:47] <gigaherz> use*

L2037[18:57:53] <diesieben07> duh

L2038[18:58:19] <SirSavary> Hey gigaherz, if you brain isn't still molten, could you take a quick glance at my code? I'm really stuck on this

L2039[18:58:36] <gigaherz> I did

L2040[18:58:45] <SirSavary> oh oops, did you see anything?

L2041[18:59:01] <gigaherz> I have no idea that I may be missing that makes it not work

L2042[18:59:14] <gigaherz> what it may be missing*

L2043[18:59:25] <gigaherz> are there errors on the debug log?

L2044[18:59:31] <SirSavary> Let me check

L2045[18:59:46] <diesieben07> that shoudl throw a ClassCastException, afaik you cannot retexture vanilla models

L2046[19:00:07] <gigaherz> nah forge makes them retexturable too

L2047[19:00:24] <gigaherz> they aren't exactly vanilla models

L2048[19:00:36] <diesieben07> ah ok

L2049[19:00:36] <gigaherz> they are the forge-provided "vanilla model"

L2050[19:00:41] <diesieben07> yeah i knew that

L2051[19:00:47] <diesieben07> just didnt know they are retextureable

L2052[19:00:48] <diesieben07> nvm them

L2053[19:00:52] <diesieben07> *then

L2054[19:00:56] <gigaherz> they have to be

L2055[19:01:02] <gigaherz> otherwise using forge blockstates wouldn't work

L2056[19:01:30] <SirSavary> Okay hold up I think this is an error

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L2058[19:01:35] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/NaturalTrees/blob/master/src/main/resources/assets/naturaltrees/blockstates/branch_acacia.json#L4

L2059[19:01:43] <gigaherz> beingable to do this requires vanilla models to be retexturable ;P

L2060[19:01:47] <SirSavary> "java.lang.Exception: Could not load model definition for variant mmetals:copper_ore#inventory"

L2061[19:01:52] <SirSavary> "Caused by: java.io.FileNotFoundException: mmetals:blockstates/copper_ore.json"

L2062[19:01:56] <diesieben07> aha :D

L2063[19:02:00] <diesieben07> see, fix that :p

L2064[19:02:03] <gigaherz> ah so it's STILL looking for the json file

L2065[19:02:04] <SirSavary> :^)

L2066[19:02:15] <gigaherz> even if you baked the model

L2067[19:02:20] <SirSavary> I have an idea lemme try it

L2068[19:03:05] <gigaherz> there MAY be some way to avoid loading the blockstates json

L2069[19:03:11] <gigaherz> I jsut don't know it XD

L2070[19:03:52] <SirSavary> There has to be a way, stuff like DenseOres does it

L2071[19:04:00] <SirSavary> I might just have to try tearing into it more

L2072[19:05:11] <SirSavary> " Item json isn't found for 'mmetals:copper_ore#normal', trying to load the variant from the blockstate json"

L2073[19:05:19] <SirSavary> I got rid of that stack trace

L2074[19:05:22] <SirSavary> but this is here now

L2075[19:05:48] <gigaherz> dunno I'd still probably choose to require users to install a resourcepack zip that includes jsons for all dynamically generated ores ;P

L2076[19:06:05] <SirSavary> Yeah but now I'm just curious as to how I can get this working

L2077[19:06:17] <SirSavary> so I can document i

L2078[19:06:19] <SirSavary> it

L2079[19:06:53] <diesieben07> call registerItemVariants(item)

L2080[19:07:02] <diesieben07> that should make it so it thinks there are no variants at all

L2081[19:07:06] <diesieben07> and it wont tryy to load anything

L2082[19:07:11] <diesieben07> fromlooking at the code

L2083[19:07:31] <SirSavary> registerItemVariants(item) is in what class

L2084[19:07:39] <diesieben07> ModelBakery

L2085[19:08:12] <diesieben07> it takes a varags array of ResourceLocation

L2086[19:08:22] <diesieben07> but you just give it an empty one

L2087[19:08:30] <SirSavary> that didn't do it

L2088[19:08:37] <SirSavary> let me update the gist

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L2090[19:09:11] <diesieben07> that... is strange at best

L2091[19:09:36] <SirSavary> https://gist.github.com/sirsavary/805d9d597d3df1788b94

L2092[19:10:04] <diesieben07> oh you must not call setCustomMRL

L2093[19:10:09] <diesieben07> that adds variants internally

L2094[19:10:11] <SirSavary> wot

L2095[19:10:21] <SirSavary> Don't call it?

L2096[19:10:26] <diesieben07> yeah

L2097[19:10:30] <SirSavary> okay rebilding

L2098[19:10:34] <diesieben07> but... idk how feasable this is now D

L2099[19:10:48] <SirSavary> What do you mean?

L2100[19:11:07] <diesieben07> well, if you cannot call setcustomMRL, not sure if its gonna link your item to the model

L2101[19:11:52] <Pomelo_n> Do you have to write your own, that doesn't set variants? Seems strange.. Then again, the last time I modded, blockstates weren't a thing.

L2102[19:12:01] <SirSavary> Let me see here, I think something changed

L2103[19:12:29] <SirSavary> Removing my call toModelLoader.setCustomModelResourceLocation

L2104[19:12:38] <SirSavary> *to ModelLoader.setCustomModelResourceLocation

L2105[19:12:49] <SirSavary> Got rid of "Item json isn't found for 'mmetals:copper_ore#normal', trying to load the variant from the blockstate json"

L2106[19:12:52] <SirSavary> in the logs

L2107[19:12:55] <diesieben07> yes

L2108[19:13:03] <SirSavary> so I think you're right, it's not linking

L2109[19:13:08] <diesieben07> ok

L2110[19:13:29] <diesieben07> call ItemModelMesher#register(item, MRL) in init

L2111[19:13:37] <SirSavary> init or preinit

L2112[19:13:39] <diesieben07> init

L2113[19:13:52] <SirSavary> alright let me try

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L2115[19:16:31] <SirSavary> that didn't make it happy, crashed with The name mmetals:copper_ore has been registered twice, for Block{mmetals:copper_ore} and Block{null}

L2116[19:16:33] <SirSavary> which seems

L2117[19:16:35] <SirSavary> very susp

L2118[19:16:45] <diesieben07> whuaut

L2119[19:16:55] <SirSavary> trying some else

L2120[19:16:55] <diesieben07> from where is that thrown?

L2121[19:17:38] <Arctic_Wolfy> Does any one know how to spawn a village?

L2122[19:17:43] <SirSavary> net.minecraftforge.fml.common.LoaderException: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: The name mmetals:copper_ore has been registered twice, for Block{mmetals:copper_ore} and Block{null}.

L2123[19:17:51] <SirSavary> Ah wait

L2124[19:17:51] <diesieben07> yeah that has something to do with yoru block registration

L2125[19:17:55] <diesieben07> nothing to do with the models at all

L2126[19:17:57] <SirSavary> yeah just realized

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L2129[19:18:57] <SirSavary> Okay question is,

L2130[19:19:01] <SirSavary> Block{null}

L2131[19:19:25] <SirSavary> Should I look into one of my registrations passing in null? or can I just ignore that

L2132[19:20:32] <diesieben07> i am not even sure how that gets there...

L2133[19:20:42] <diesieben07> it just prints out the toString of the Block object

L2134[19:20:46] <diesieben07> but that is not overriden

L2135[19:20:48] <SirSavary> Strange

L2136[19:20:55] <diesieben07> it should be like BlockFooBar@124235r

L2137[19:21:43] <SirSavary> Updated https://gist.github.com/sirsavary/805d9d597d3df1788b94

L2138[19:22:10] <diesieben07> wait wait wait

L2139[19:22:18] <diesieben07> this is bad: https://gist.github.com/sirsavary/805d9d597d3df1788b94#file-modelbake-java-L16

L2140[19:22:27] <diesieben07> do NOT just willy nilly create new block instances

L2141[19:23:18] <diesieben07> you have to create them once, in pre init. register them. then only use THAT instance

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L2143[19:26:57] <gigaherz> uhh, I juist updated the nv driver, and it's still on the old one? :/

L2144[19:27:11] <Arctic_Wolfy> Any one know how to force gen a world gen structure?

L2145[19:27:53] <diesieben07> Arctic_Wolfy, look at WorldProviderGenerate

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L2147[19:28:04] <diesieben07> it has a villageGenerator field, check where that is used

L2148[19:28:56] <Arctic_Wolfy> Oh the... litterary element... Don't think it's irony that I'm alreay looking there... or is it?

L2149[19:33:02] <diesieben07> SirSavary, does it work now? :D

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L2160[20:15:34] <Elucent> Is it possible to change a player's armor value outside of equipping armor items?

L2161[20:17:33] <tterrag> shame we don't have a gamerule event

L2162[20:19:39] <Arctic_Wolfy> And one know how to regen a chunk?

L2163[20:27:07] <shadekiller666> wooo implicit differentiation!

L2164[20:27:10] <shadekiller666> :/

L2165[20:28:23] <shadekiller666> i need to find dy/dx of y=(x^2)(y^3)+(x^3)(y^2). Assume y is a function of x

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L2171[20:38:32] <SirSavary> RIP internet

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L2175[20:43:30] <SirSavary> diesieben07, https://gist.github.com/sirsavary/805d9d597d3df1788b94

L2176[20:43:33] <SirSavary> doesn't work though

L2177[20:44:24] <williewillus> what is happening

L2178[20:44:28] <williewillus> why are you doing models like that...

L2179[20:44:38] <SirSavary> I need to dynamically generate blocks

L2180[20:44:41] <SirSavary> so I can't use JSON files

L2181[20:45:50] <williewillus> first and third methods look fine

L2182[20:45:55] <williewillus> second one is using the deprecated method

L2183[20:45:57] <williewillus> again -.-

L2184[20:46:25] <williewillus> (not your fault, I just see the old one around so much)

L2185[20:47:39] <SirSavary> it's not showing a warning

L2186[20:47:52] <SirSavary> the copper_ore block shows up as purple black squares

L2187[20:49:07] <williewillus> in inv or in world

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L2189[20:49:16] <williewillus> does the block have blockstate properties?

L2190[20:50:03] <SirSavary> Both

L2191[20:50:05] <SirSavary> and uh

L2192[20:50:08] <SirSavary> I dunno :)

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L2194[20:50:15] <SirSavary> I mean, it's like... an ore block

L2195[20:50:16] <williewillus> 0.o

L2196[20:50:18] <SirSavary> so it just has one state

L2197[20:50:21] <williewillus> okay

L2198[20:50:24] <williewillus> are there errors in the log?

L2199[20:50:25] <SirSavary> I think that's what you mean

L2200[20:50:29] <SirSavary> lemme refresh them

L2201[20:51:26] <SirSavary> Nope

L2202[20:51:27] <SirSavary> none

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L2208[21:00:05] <SirSavary> will pay in steam keys for help, thanks, doot doot

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L2213[21:22:07] <Ordinastie> SirSavary, you left #malisis, you can join back when you're tired of messing with models :p

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L2215[21:31:08] <SirSavary> I did yes, it's because I swapped IRC clients

L2216[21:31:17] <SirSavary> I was originally using your lib to do what I want to do

L2217[21:31:23] <SirSavary> but it looks like I can do it without your lib

L2218[21:32:10] <Ordinastie> at what cost though

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L2222[21:43:33] <SirSavary> I'm not sure

L2223[21:43:36] <SirSavary> would your lib make this easier?

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L2225[21:45:28] <Ordinastie> hum, definitely

L2226[21:48:02] <shadekiller666> how many total lines of code is vanilla?

L2227[21:48:12] <shadekiller666> and how much more is it with forge?

L2228[21:48:39] <williewillus> ClassInheritanceMultimap is so fucking broken

L2229[21:48:55] <williewillus> christ why did mojang roll their own datastructure when what was there worked fine

L2230[21:49:54] <SirSavary> Ordinastie, I'm currently busy IRL but in like, an hour, will you be around? If you are I'd appreciate some help getting this working

L2231[21:50:07] <SirSavary> will donate steam keys thank :)

L2232[21:50:08] <shadekiller666> sometimes i wonder if they do things just to make forge dev more difficult :P

L2233[21:50:11] <Ordinastie> sure

L2234[21:50:49] <williewillus> at its peak ClassInheritanceMultimap uses more memory than blockpose

L2235[21:50:57] <williewillus> if that gieves any idea about its brokenness

L2236[21:51:12] <williewillus> with this event handler that calls getEntitiesInAABB

L2237[21:51:15] <williewillus> that worked fine in 1.7

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L2239[21:51:48] <shadekiller666> i'm assuming ClassInheritanceMultimap stores classes?

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L2244[21:55:35] <tterrag> williewillus: what is it?

L2245[21:56:03] <williewillus> it's stored in chunks, and is used in world.getEntitiesInAABB

L2246[21:56:09] <williewillus> not quite sure how it works

L2247[21:56:21] <williewillus> but theoretically makes accessing certain classes of entities faster

L2248[21:56:23] <williewillus> but.....it's slower

L2249[21:56:36] <williewillus> AND it's the reason we can't use getEIAABB with interfaces anymore

L2250[21:57:18] <shadekiller666> assuming its named properlly, it sounds like it holds the iheritance heirarchy for a class

L2251[21:57:26] <shadekiller666> or for multiple classes

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L2258[22:09:22] <LordSkittles_> hey all I am just getting back into the modding scene and I can't remember what the possible values of the first parameter of setHarvestLevel is. Could someone refresh me please?

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L2260[22:09:50] <williewillus> tool class

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L2262[22:10:16] <williewillus> e.g. "shovel"

L2263[22:10:18] <williewillus> "pickaxe"

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L2265[22:13:26] <LordSkittles_> williewillus, I remember it was toolclass I just can't remember what all the values of tool class can be is all

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L2267[22:19:01] <kashike> hooray https://twitter.com/SeargeDP/status/705970418486788096

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L2270[22:25:56] <killjoy> I'm watching ichun's tabula video and he mentioned child models

L2271[22:26:05] <killjoy> is that vanilla or a techne/tabula thing?

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L2281[22:50:23] <williewillus> tabula

L2282[22:50:28] <williewillus> *vanilla really

L2283[22:56:17] <killjoy> yeah, I found that. How does it work?

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L2285[23:01:32] <williewillus> how do you use caps with a gui/container?

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L2287[23:01:38] <williewillus> like a backpack item

L2288[23:02:12] <killjoy> caps?

L2289[23:02:32] <killjoy> like caps lock or a limit?

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L2293[23:07:09] <panda_2134> Is there an IRC web client that is free which can stay connected even if you're not online?

L2294[23:07:38] <panda_2134> XD

L2295[23:07:38] <killjoy> znc

L2296[23:07:41] <killjoy> idk

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L2298[23:07:57] <panda_2134> let me see...

L2299[23:07:59] <killjoy> I don't know if it's free though

L2300[23:08:18] <killjoy> several people here use bouncers

L2301[23:08:25] <williewillus> killjoy: capabailities

L2302[23:08:51] <panda_2134> IRCCloud can do this,too,but you must pay for it...

L2303[23:10:06] <panda_2134> it seems that znc is open source...

L2304[23:10:39] <SkySom> Yes.

L2305[23:10:45] <SkySom> Just need a server to run it on

L2306[23:11:08] <panda_2134> i have a vps...

L2307[23:11:13] <panda_2134> it seems great

L2308[23:11:16] <SkySom> Then set it up on that

L2309[23:11:21] <SkySom> I'm running it.

L2310[23:11:26] <SkySom> Znc works great for me

L2311[23:12:24] <panda_2134> but can it save message histories when you're not online?

L2312[23:12:33] <panda_2134> just like what icccloud does

L2313[23:13:22] <panda_2134> :\

L2314[23:13:48] <panda_2134> i don't like to pay for an irc web client

L2315[23:13:58] <panda_2134> xd

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L2318[23:17:02] <williewillus> i use panicbnc

L2319[23:17:07] <williewillus> abrar has a znc on his server as well

L2320[23:17:39] <panda_2134> okk

L2321[23:17:44] <panda_2134> *ok

L2322[23:17:51] <panda_2134> i'll use it

L2323[23:17:53] * AbrarSyed does have a znc

L2324[23:17:56] <panda_2134> since it seems awesome

L2325[23:20:16] <SkySom> panda_2134: yes znc logs

L2326[23:20:27] <SkySom> I can go back over a year from what I have stored

L2327[23:20:35] <SkySom> Just have to turn that setting on

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L2329[23:21:01] <SkySom> And whenever I connect I get playback from the last thing I said

L2330[23:21:04] <panda_2134> btw is it turned on by default?

L2331[23:21:20] <SkySom> Not that I know of.

L2332[23:21:44] <SkySom> But it has a okay Web interface that you can set the logging module on

L2333[23:23:21] <AbrarSyed> logging moduel logs to disk

L2334[23:23:26] <AbrarSyed> the playback buffer is default

L2335[23:24:02] <panda_2134> is the log on the disk compressed?

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