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L3[00:04:34] <Cypher121> is event.getSide() a physical or logical side?

L4[00:04:45] <williewillus> what kind of event?

L5[00:05:01] <Cypher121> lifecycle

L6[00:05:05] <williewillus> physical

L7[00:05:07] <Cypher121> particularly preInit

L8[00:05:09] <Cypher121> oh

L9[00:05:25] <williewillus> and glad to see people adopting my terms ;p

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L12[00:15:51] <Cypher121> alright, integrated server seems to work \o/

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L19[00:30:11] <williewillus> Cypher121: what are you making?

L20[00:32:43] <killjoy> It's my cake day. I need something to post

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L22[00:36:15] <kashike> assuming cake day means birthday, happy birthday killjoy

L23[00:36:22] <killjoy> no.

L24[00:36:23] <williewillus> reddit

L25[00:36:27] <killjoy> ^

L26[00:36:30] <williewillus> reddit birthday

L27[00:36:39] <killjoy> my bday was 2 months ago

L28[00:36:57] <killjoy> reddit is known to be generous with upvotes on cakeday

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L32[00:38:21] <williewillus> https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/44xxd2/so_a_foo_walks_into_a_bar/

L33[00:38:35] <Cypher121> williewillus: github.com/Cypher121/Skills

L34[00:38:58] <williewillus> if you need to special case the integrated server you are doing something VERY VERY VERY wrong

L35[00:39:00] <williewillus> just fyi

L36[00:39:49] <Cypher121> I store known research maps in a static list

L37[00:40:11] <Cypher121> if I try to load them from server to client while both are in fact the same thing, it explodes

L38[00:40:17] <williewillus> so don't use something static

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L40[00:40:40] <Cypher121> ThreadLocal?

L41[00:40:49] <killjoy> One of those jokes are wrong

L42[00:40:49] <williewillus> maybe, I haven't tried

L43[00:40:53] <killjoy> A Java programmer walks into a bar and shouts, "STOP EVERYTHING! I'm here to collect the garbage!"

L44[00:41:03] <killjoy> Who knows what's wrong with that?

L45[00:41:03] <williewillus> stop the world gc used to be a thing you know

L46[00:41:47] <williewillus> also why the heck are checking hash collisions manually

L47[00:41:54] <Cypher121> just in case

L48[00:42:03] <williewillus> String's hashCOde is more than good enough

L49[00:42:03] <Cypher121> default string hash is quite weak

L50[00:42:11] <williewillus> for your purposes at least

L51[00:42:31] <williewillus> idk, just seems like premature optimization to me :P

L52[00:42:41] <Cypher121> just in case

L53[00:43:17] <williewillus> 0.o

L54[00:43:32] <Cypher121> wat?

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L56[00:44:08] <williewillus> usually, people trust the libraries they're working on to work, not manually code premature optimization checks everywhere :P killjoy: did you see the haskell one in the comments? :P

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L59[00:44:24] <killjoy> haven't read the comments yet

L60[00:44:35] <killjoy> just finished reading the bash joke

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L62[00:45:29] <killjoy> The lua programmer must be lying on the floor

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L65[00:48:52] <Cypher121> williewillus: did you know "FB".hashcode() == "Ea".hashcode() ?

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L67[00:49:27] <williewillus> tell me just how much of a performance impact at runtime that will have

L68[00:49:39] <Cypher121> it's not performance

L69[00:49:52] <Cypher121> did you notice I map researches to hashcodes of their names?

L70[00:49:52] <williewillus> then what is it? collisions are resovled automatically for you

L71[00:50:07] <Cypher121> are they?

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L73[00:50:20] <williewillus> any map interface worth their shit from the last 10 years resolve collisions...

L74[00:50:25] <williewillus> especially guava

L75[00:50:35] <williewillus> not sure about bimaps but forward maps definitely do

L76[00:50:44] <Cypher121> is it stable?

L77[00:51:09] <Cypher121> actually no, that's not the problem here

L78[00:51:15] <Cypher121> take a look at StateSyncMessage

L79[00:52:16] <williewillus> why the hell are you using hashcodes as some sort of ID registry system

L80[00:52:23] <williewillus> that sounds liek a terrible idea :P

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L82[00:53:31] <williewillus> unrelated, but your stuff sounds like it'd be easily expressed in json :P that uses more bandwidth though

L83[00:53:31] <Cypher121> that's the 2nd best I had

L84[00:53:38] <Cypher121> EXACTLY

L85[00:53:50] <williewillus> how often will this sync?

L86[00:53:59] <Cypher121> depends on mod

L87[00:54:10] <williewillus> if it's any less often than say every 10-20 seconds i'd just use json :P

L88[00:54:38] <Cypher121> for example, if it has some research book ala thomnomnom, it syncs whole map on each gui open

L89[00:55:25] <Cypher121> and that may be 10 or 50 or more nodes, especially since I intend to provide interface for pack makers and server owners to make their own

L90[00:55:48] <Cypher121> so I want to reduce everything to integers

L91[00:56:43] <williewillus> but hashes are not good integers for this, they are definitely not one to one functions. if you could turn hashes back to identities, man... :P

L92[00:56:53] <williewillus> or surjective, whichever it was

L93[00:57:13] <Cypher121> if you could turn hashes back to identities, there would be no point in hashes

L94[00:57:22] <williewillus> but using them as an id system is terrible

L95[00:57:27] <williewillus> as your case has indicated

L96[00:57:46] <Cypher121> I have one other idea, but I needed something to test with

L97[00:57:50] <williewillus> sync some idmap up front when the player joins then send those ints in subsequent packets

L98[00:57:53] <williewillus> problem solved :P

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L100[00:58:04] <Cypher121> yeah, that's what I may end up doing

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L105[01:05:57] <Cypher121> williewillus: do you by any chance have a mod in development that is in dire need or research/unlock framework?

L106[01:06:08] <williewillus> not now :P

L107[01:06:18] <Cypher121> :(

L108[01:06:30] <williewillus> PE doesn't have research/unlocks and Botania 1.8 doesn't either :P

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L111[01:10:01] <Cypher121> williewillus: as for the static that needed special handling with integrated server

L112[01:10:13] <Cypher121> special handling = don't sync the map

L113[01:10:14] <Cypher121> that's it

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L116[01:11:50] <Cypher121> omg, I'm an idiot

L117[01:12:10] <riderj> Yep

L118[01:12:29] <Cypher121> I was cancelling rendering events of health and food bar to detect if nodes are properly sent to client

L119[01:12:43] <Cypher121> food didn't stop rendering for some reason

L120[01:13:06] <Cypher121> apparently it has something to do with event.setCanceled(false);

L121[01:17:07] <tterrag> Cypher121: if you need special handling for the integrated server your code is WRONG

L122[01:18:38] <riderj> Is your research api equivalent to Thaumcrafts research? How does yours work?

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L124[01:26:26] <Cypher121> tterrag: if I sync maps with a local client, all nodes in them are deleted and reconstructed from NBTTag of the message. This immediately invalidates all references on the server's side

L125[01:26:56] <tterrag> why is what happens on the client affecting the server at all??

L126[01:27:08] <Cypher121> because static

L127[01:27:45] <tterrag> ok

L128[01:27:50] <tterrag> so I repeat my initial statement

L129[01:28:08] <tterrag> http://mcforge.readthedocs.org/en/latest/concepts/sides/#common-mistakes

L130[01:28:10] <williewillus> don't use static fields :P

L131[01:28:16] <Cypher121> then what to use?

L132[01:28:18] <williewillus> ay i wrote that haha

L133[01:28:33] <williewillus> the formatting looks better

L134[01:28:57] <tterrag> um...NOT static?

L135[01:29:05] <Cypher121> okaaay

L136[01:29:26] <Cypher121> and where should that NOT static be stored?

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L138[01:29:43] <Cypher121> it's automatically not a singleton, those are same as static

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L140[01:29:56] <Cypher121> in world data? it's not dependant on world

L141[01:30:08] <tterrag> it's what, per save?

L142[01:30:25] <Cypher121> per game instance

L143[01:30:32] <williewillus> not world dependent

L144[01:30:34] <Cypher121> think HQM quests

L145[01:30:43] <Cypher121> or configs

L146[01:30:45] <tterrag> HQM quests are per-world

L147[01:30:49] <tterrag> but ok :P

L148[01:30:54] <Cypher121> their STATE yes

L149[01:31:02] <Cypher121> quests themselves? no

L150[01:31:39] <williewillus> currently PE does a kinda cheaty hack to get around this, it probably has more than a few bugs

L151[01:31:48] <williewillus> but anyways would using threadlocal break shit

L152[01:31:56] <Cypher121> basically, what I do, continuing parallel with HQM, is send quest lists from server to client

L153[01:31:57] <tterrag> probably not

L154[01:32:08] <williewillus> then threadlocal would be your "easiest" solution

L155[01:32:10] <tterrag> bit hacky though

L156[01:32:50] <williewillus> PE makes an immutable copy of the map before reading it in clientside - so no CME but still overwrites. definitely possible bugs in there

L157[01:33:13] <williewillus> anyways bedtime

L158[01:33:16] <Cypher121> so threadlocal

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L160[01:34:11] <Cypher121> my solution won't work for people remotely connecting to someone's integrated server, though

L161[01:34:50] <thecodewarrior> Anybody got a triangle-ray intersection method written in java? After fixing it several times mine doesn't seem to be able to tell if the intersection is inside or outside the triangle.

L162[01:35:34] <thecodewarrior> I just ported this: http://geomalgorithms.com/a06-_intersect-2.html

L163[01:35:48] <McJty> thecodewarrior, what about the vanilla code?

L164[01:35:58] <thecodewarrior> It doesn't do angles.

L165[01:36:08] <McJty> Angles?

L166[01:36:16] <McJty> What do you mean exactly? What kind of input do you have

L167[01:36:43] <thecodewarrior> The sides of catwalk stairs will be sloped, so I need a tweaked square, so I need triangles.

L168[01:36:53] <McJty> ah

L169[01:37:09] <thecodewarrior> But right now it's still squares. Just preparing.

L170[01:38:19] <thecodewarrior> Ok, just realized it seems to just have a really large margin of error... weird.

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L182[02:00:02] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Pushing snapshot_20160211 mappings to Forge Maven.

L183[02:00:06] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Maven upload successful for mcp_snapshot-20160211-1.8.9.zip (mappings = "snapshot_20160211" in build.gradle).

L184[02:00:16] <MCPBot_Reborn> Semi-live (every 10 min), Snapshot (daily ~3:00 EST), and Stable (committed) MCPBot mapping exports can be found here: http://export.mcpbot.bspk.rs/

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L189[02:10:26] <thecodewarrior> It works! https://gyazo.com/91a2aa586cdec3b0bd7d3f36e52e03ff

L190[02:11:06] <RANKSHANK> That's not cubic ;)

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L194[02:19:55] <Lordmau5> o/

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L196[02:21:11] <panda_2134> A silly question:

L197[02:21:21] <panda_2134> is MMPL compatible with GPLv3?

L198[02:21:36] <panda_2134> MMPL->Minecraft Mod Permission Licence

L199[02:22:38] <panda_2134> ;)

L200[02:25:57] <fry> no

L201[02:26:31] <panda_2134> thx

L202[02:29:44] <Lordmau5> hey, fry, small question... are you perhaps available in around, urgh... 7:30h?

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L204[02:30:23] <fry> no idea

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L206[02:31:14] <Lordmau5> ok

L207[02:32:14] <Lordmau5> I've got some issues with fake-fluid rendering and lightmapping it properly... but I can't really figure out how to do it... tterrag recommended me to ask you since you might be more familiar with that

L208[02:32:24] <Lordmau5> but ye, I'm not home until in 7:30-ish h :p

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L217[02:52:47] <thecodewarrior> \o/ I got almost all of block code abstracted away into a superclass! So DRY!

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L219[02:57:40] <Lordmau5> nice

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L226[03:05:54] <Wuppy> good morning :)

L227[03:06:02] <Lordmau5> o/

L228[03:09:57] <RANKSHANK> Hola

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L230[03:11:20] <Wuppy> how's peeps today

L231[03:12:12] <Wuppy> if only I was here... http://www.pcgamer.com/watch-gabe-newells-oprah-moment-as-he-gives-out-free-vr-headsets/?utm_content=buffere24b9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=buffer_pcgfb

L232[03:12:53] <Wuppy> smart technique as well, this way you instantly create a lot of developers for your platform

L233[03:14:07] <RANKSHANK> Yeah that's definitely investing your money well haha

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L235[03:19:56] <Lordmau5> Can we all down-hype the oculus and hype up the HTC Vive?

L236[03:20:32] <Lordmau5> so much more potential, and it's gonna be available for LESS than 600€ :D

L237[03:20:38] <Lordmau5> $600, w/e, still expensive

L238[03:20:38] <Wuppy> our school has both which we can easily work with so I'm fine either way \o/

L239[03:24:25] <Wuppy> hmm I'm now wearing a fallout shirt even though I've never played any fallout games... I should change that :P

L240[03:26:02] <Saturn812> valve missed the chance to attract developers for the platform long time ago...

L241[03:26:15] <Wuppy> why's that Saturn812 ?

L242[03:26:57] <Saturn812> their dev tools are covered in dust and very difficult to use. In compare with other engines like Unreal for example.

L243[03:27:36] <Wuppy> wihch dev tools are you talking about?

L244[03:27:55] <Saturn812> Also with orangebox version of the engine they started to move from their own concepts more and more and in later game half of the stuff is hard coded or scripted instead of using engine powers

L245[03:28:40] <Wuppy> what does their engine have to do with the vive?

L246[03:28:46] <Saturn812> any tools you might need actually. Most of the assets tools don't have any gui and almost all of them never were updated since hl2 version of the engine came out

L247[03:29:05] <Lordmau5> speaking of valve

L248[03:29:09] <Lordmau5> https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/44v2jn/another_potential_halflife_3_leak_and_controversy/

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L250[03:29:29] <Saturn812> a lot of people will think twice about using any valve's technology for development now

L251[03:29:39] <Wuppy> again Saturn812, what do their engine tools have to do with the vive?

L252[03:29:55] <Lordmau5> ^

L253[03:30:57] <Saturn812> same company, same approach i guess? I know i would first consider the alternative and only then something from valve. Even tho i've been doing source engine dev for the past 8 years or so, more or less

L254[03:31:34] <Wuppy> Saturn812, so if a company screws up once, nobody will ever work with/for it anymore?

L255[03:31:41] <Wuppy> Lordmau5, what's bad robot again?

L256[03:31:42] <Lordmau5> if I would have to choose between the vr headsets, Oculus is still at the bottom

L257[03:31:53] <Wuppy> even below google cardboard?

L258[03:32:11] <Lordmau5> talking about the actual headsets

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L260[03:32:16] <Lordmau5> not just something you put your phone into

L261[03:32:16] <Saturn812> it's not once. It's been in that stage for ages and it doesn't really change (map editor for Dota 2 is the only exception pretty much)

L262[03:32:35] <Lordmau5> HTC Vive | Razer OSVR | ?some other product? | Oculus

L263[03:33:17] <Saturn812> why on the bottom? Oculus has Carmac :D

L264[03:33:52] <Lordmau5> Oculus lied to us

L265[03:34:06] <Lordmau5> they even try to go for a "exlusive" approach - as in, some games will only be available on the Oculus

L266[03:34:10] <Lordmau5> and not other headsets

L267[03:34:43] <Saturn812> well, consoles still do it even tho there is no much of the logic in it

L268[03:35:18] <Saturn812> although, supporting single platform is a dick move

L269[03:35:21] <Lordmau5> consoles do console exclusive?

L270[03:35:23] <killjoy> http://imgur.com/ZSYVi2d

L271[03:35:25] <Lordmau5> I think it's rather the developers*

L272[03:35:42] <Lordmau5> but then again, we have bullshit like The Division that get's fucking downgraded on PC because it would be "unfair for consoles"

L273[03:36:08] <Saturn812> right. I think it's just an excuse for their incompitance

L274[03:36:21] <Saturn812> *incompetence

L275[03:36:22] <Lordmau5> isn't it developed by Ubisoft?

L276[03:36:26] <Saturn812> yes

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L278[03:36:36] <Lordmau5> CAN'T EVEN MAKE A PROPER ENGINE FOR ASSASSIN'S CREED

L279[03:36:45] <Lordmau5> :P

L280[03:37:00] <Saturn812> aren't they using unreal engine for creed?

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L282[03:37:10] <Lordmau5> no?

L283[03:37:16] <Lordmau5> they use their own one, uh... what was it called

L284[03:37:18] <Lordmau5> Anvil Engine

L285[03:37:27] <Lordmau5> and I think AC Syndicate uses Anvil Next

L286[03:37:40] <Lordmau5> it would be a godsend if they'd just go with UE4

L287[03:38:03] <Saturn812> oh right, it's only Chronicles that use unreal

L288[03:38:46] <Lordmau5> does it at least run well?

L289[03:39:01] <Lordmau5> because if it does not, I don't know why they always manage to fuck up the AC games :D

L290[03:39:15] <Lordmau5> any game* they develop

L291[03:39:25] <Lordmau5> AC 1 and 2 were good, but everything above that went downhill

L292[03:39:30] <Lordmau5> that series is purely shovelware

L293[03:41:26] <Lordmau5> I wonder when they'll figure out that they can get extra money by adding character-modification-DLC

L294[03:41:37] <Lordmau5> as in, new hats, new outfits, that kinda bullshit - but ONLY buyable with real money!

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L297[03:45:05] <Saturn812> can't tell, i only played in AC 1 and that's it

L298[03:45:25] <Cypher121> I didn't even finish 1, lol

L299[03:45:35] <Lordmau5> AC 1 is like Prototype 1

L300[03:45:42] <Lordmau5> effing hard at certain parts

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L302[03:46:22] <Wuppy> oh fuck this... they started drilling again

L303[03:47:09] <Cypher121> it's not ac1 that was hard for me

L304[03:47:18] <Cypher121> it was playing it on xbox

L305[03:48:27] <Lordmau5> I fear to say it, but it's as it is

L306[03:48:27] <Lordmau5> PCMR

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L308[03:49:32] <Cypher121> yup

L309[03:49:57] <Cypher121> which doesn't cancel out the fact that kinect was promising at first

L310[03:50:02] <Cypher121> but yeah, PCMR

L311[03:50:17] <Wuppy> time to do art :<

L312[03:52:52] <Cypher121> yeah, I definitely need to add some more hooks for getting things

L313[03:53:25] <Cypher121> state.getStateOfNode(map.getNode("name")) gets old faster than I thought

L314[03:53:40] <Lordmau5> I just wish developers would see the full potential of PCs properly...

L315[03:53:58] <Lordmau5> and that if you want to play with super-high-end-graphics you gotta spend a shitton of money

L316[03:54:10] <Lordmau5> If I spend $5000 for my PC, I don't want it to be locked to console graphics

L317[03:54:15] <Lordmau5> OR 30fps

L318[03:54:32] <Wuppy> Lordmau5, you must love The Division then

L319[03:54:43] <Lordmau5> if I were to say "ok, I'm not having enough money" or "I don't want to spend enough money" and am fine with a console, that's cool

L320[03:54:52] <Lordmau5> not saying I have a $5k Pc, but that's my PoV

L321[03:55:06] <Wuppy> no I understand and 100% agree

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L323[03:55:19] <Lordmau5> but devs are like "ye, 30fps lock, ez, we have to do less work to optimize things"

L324[03:55:29] <Wuppy> just wondering if you were aware of the The Division situation

L325[03:55:42] <Lordmau5> even Ubisoft could do a proper AC title again, if they'd just put another year of development into them

L326[03:55:49] <Lordmau5> and ye, I mentioned The Division before already

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L328[03:55:59] <Lordmau5> > but then again, we have bullshit like The Division that get's fucking downgraded on PC because it would be "unfair for consoles"

L329[03:56:17] <Wuppy> oh, I wasn't paying great attention

L330[03:56:23] <Lordmau5> compare a $300-600 console with a $1500 PC

L331[03:56:26] <Lordmau5> it's ok :p

L332[03:56:26] <Wuppy> I need a lot of attention to make sprites look even half decent

L333[03:56:27] <Cypher121> Lordmau5: ever seen FFXIII PC port

L334[03:56:32] <Lordmau5> no, haven't

L335[03:56:41] <Cypher121> it was locked at 720p

L336[03:56:45] <Lordmau5> dude nice

L337[03:56:46] <Cypher121> had awful controls

L338[03:57:00] <Cypher121> and pressing Esc closed it immediately

L339[03:57:03] <Lordmau5> that's the problem with porting games that are optimized for consoles

L340[03:57:09] <Lordmau5> consoles / controllers

L341[03:57:22] <Cypher121> oh right, saves are on checkpoints only, so there goes your progress

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L343[03:57:42] <Lordmau5> nice...

L344[03:58:01] <Cypher121> fortunately, Square Enix aren't stupid enough to leave it like that, so they changed it significantly

L345[03:58:02] <Lordmau5> Then again, just go with the resurrection of Hourglass and do savestates

L346[03:58:19] <Lordmau5> (Tool Assisted Speedrun... tool)

L347[03:58:26] <Lordmau5> for windows games

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L349[03:59:09] <madcrazydrumma> Im getting this error when trying to export my mod: (use -source 8 or higher to enable lambda expressions)

L350[03:59:29] <Cypher121> sourceCompatibility = targetCompatibility = "1.8"

L351[03:59:42] <madcrazydrumma> Where do i find that?

L352[03:59:51] <Lordmau5> build.gradle

L353[03:59:52] <Cypher121> you place it in build.gradle

L354[04:00:01] <Lordmau5> it should state 1.7 - change it to 1.8

L355[04:00:29] <Cypher121> it's not present at all, iirc

L356[04:00:30] <fry> actually, it should state 1.6

L357[04:00:36] <madcrazydrumma> I dont see it anywhere

L358[04:00:40] <Cypher121> anyway, should look like this: https://github.com/Magneticraft-Team/Magneticraft/blob/master/build.gradle#L24-L25

L359[04:00:46] <Cypher121> madcrazydrumma: ^

L360[04:01:06] <Wuppy> does this somewhat look like a space ship?

L361[04:01:10] <Cypher121> by default it's set to 1.6 and these lines aren't present at all

L362[04:01:16] <Lordmau5> ah

L363[04:01:18] <madcrazydrumma> Ahh right

L364[04:01:25] <madcrazydrumma> They should be tbf

L365[04:01:53] <madcrazydrumma> If my mod is a server mod, when i build using 'gradlew build' it should be one hey?

L366[04:02:06] <Cypher121> what?

L367[04:02:22] <madcrazydrumma> My mod is meant to be run on a server

L368[04:02:45] <Cypher121> then you should place something in your @Mod annotation, but I don't remember what exactly

L369[04:03:37] <Cypher121> acceptableRemoteVersions = "*"

L370[04:04:13] <Lordmau5> that, and "serverSideOnly" = true

L371[04:04:29] <Lordmau5> if you want to prevent it from loading on the client, if someone puts it into the client by accident

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L373[04:04:57] <madcrazydrumma> My server mod uses the clients for IEEP, its still alright to just use it on the server hey

L374[04:04:58] <madcrazydrumma> ?

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L376[04:06:59] <Cypher121> Lordmau5: client is always a server too, so not loading server-only mods rarely makes sense

L377[04:07:45] <Cypher121> madcrazydrumma: basically clients shouldn't even know there's ANY modding going on. what do you mean by "uses clients for IEEP?"

L378[04:08:45] <madcrazydrumma> Like i have gold stored for each player

L379[04:08:59] <madcrazydrumma> But commands used for it are only available for the server

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L382[04:10:12] <Cypher121> so you're using players, not clients

L383[04:10:15] <Cypher121> that's ok

L384[04:10:19] <madcrazydrumma> ok

L385[04:12:39] <Cypher121> damn, I love how fast this SSD works

L386[04:12:54] <Cypher121> rebooted in about 20 seconds

L387[04:13:05] <madcrazydrumma> :o

L388[04:13:09] <madcrazydrumma> what ssd is it?

L389[04:13:29] <Cypher121> Crucial MX200

L390[04:13:31] <Cypher121> 1 TB

L391[04:13:54] <madcrazydrumma> See i only like SSD's for bios

L392[04:14:04] <madcrazydrumma> I dont like storing stuff on them

L393[04:16:21] <killjoy> HDDs are cheap anyway

L394[04:16:31] <killjoy> $80 gets you a decent 1TB HDD

L395[04:16:45] <Cypher121> I put both OS on them

L396[04:16:50] <madcrazydrumma> ^^

L397[04:16:52] <madcrazydrumma> Hm

L398[04:17:19] <Cypher121> I still have 2 HDDs (2 + 0.5 TB), so I store most of stuff on them

L399[04:17:34] <madcrazydrumma> Yeah i just prefer to store on HDD and keep a small SSD for OS and bios

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L403[04:23:16] <killjoy> I have a 256GB SSD and a 1TB HDD

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L407[04:24:35] <Lordmau5> 256GB SSD, 1TB HDD, 3TB HDD, 6TB HDD, 8TB Ext HDD solely for backup purposes

L408[04:24:41] <Lordmau5> and 2x1TB HDD in hot-swap

L409[04:24:53] <Lordmau5> 8TB is cheap as duck as well. ~220€

L410[04:24:53] <killjoy> why don't you just use a raid configuration?

L411[04:24:57] <Wuppy> finally finished a single damn sprite :<

L412[04:24:57] <Lordmau5> no?

L413[04:25:17] <killjoy> raid 5 is pretty good

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L416[04:27:57] <killjoy> better make it a NAT

L417[04:28:01] <killjoy> *NAS

L418[04:28:22] <Lordmau5> my PC?! no

L419[04:28:33] <Lordmau5> the 1TB is for PS3 isos, Movies and Anime.

L420[04:28:49] <killjoy> trust me, I'm a CTI major

L421[04:28:52] <Cypher121> 1tb for anime?

L422[04:28:54] <Cypher121> pleb

L423[04:28:55] <Lordmau5> 3TB mostly for games (Steam & non-steam), downloads and whatnot, e.g. local recordings from OBS

L424[04:29:04] <Lordmau5> not really, ~500GB though

L425[04:29:11] <Lordmau5> I'm not the streamer kind-of person :)

L426[04:29:20] <Lordmau5> streaming*, whatever

L427[04:29:41] <Lordmau5> my 6TB is currently not having much stuff on it. but that'll change

L428[04:29:43] <killjoy> My steam folder is clocking at 250 GB

L429[04:29:53] <killjoy> so about the size of my C: drive

L430[04:29:57] <Lordmau5> oh! and my whole music collection is on my 3TB

L431[04:30:02] <Lordmau5> which is another 1.XTB

L432[04:30:13] <killjoy> Your music is old?

L433[04:30:18] <Lordmau5> I can show pics of the specific folders / drives later

L434[04:30:21] <Lordmau5> huh?

L435[04:30:36] <Cypher121> I honestly don't even need 5TB total

L436[04:30:37] <Lordmau5> I mainly go for FLAC when I can, so one album with 10 songs easily reaches ~400mb

L437[04:30:43] <Lordmau5> I'm a hoarder ^^

L438[04:30:58] <killjoy> I'm using .3 of my 1tb hdd

L439[04:31:24] <Cypher121> the only things I still store on my PC are games and some anime that is hard to find with good subs

L440[04:31:34] <Cypher121> everything else is easier to access online

L441[04:31:45] <killjoy> speaking of anime, I'm finishing up the last episode of SAOII

L442[04:31:54] <Lordmau5> oh god, you actually watched the 2nd season?

L443[04:31:57] <Lordmau5> or rather, SAO 2?

L444[04:32:01] <killjoy> yeah

L445[04:32:03] <Lordmau5> I dropped it after ep. 6, it was horrible

L446[04:32:06] <Lordmau5> compared to the first one >_>

L447[04:32:12] <killjoy> opm got me into subtitles

L448[04:32:13] <Lordmau5> and I'm not talking Alfheim, even though that was okay as well

L449[04:32:24] <Lordmau5> opm as in One Punch Man?

L450[04:32:24] <Wuppy> why does unity require like 30 GB to build to android and windows :V

L451[04:32:29] <killjoy> yes

L452[04:32:34] <Lordmau5> that anime is SO AMAZING

L453[04:32:38] <Lordmau5> I had so many laughs during it :D

L454[04:32:47] <killjoy> I hear it's a comedy

L455[04:33:05] <killjoy> the funny part is the anti-climax

L456[04:33:06] <Lordmau5> it's great

L457[04:33:16] <Lordmau5> if you haven't watched it yet then do it

L458[04:33:31] <killjoy> I have

L459[04:33:39] <killjoy> waiting for s2

L460[04:33:44] <Lordmau5> just wanted to say the same

L461[04:33:48] <Lordmau5> I doubt they'll miss out on that

L462[04:34:06] <killjoy> someome make a onepunchman mod

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L464[04:35:13] <Cypher121> you mean Draconic Evolution?

L465[04:35:34] <killjoy> maybe

L466[04:35:47] <killjoy> Can I become a cyborg that can shoot fire from my hands?

L467[04:35:56] <Lordmau5> could be implemented into my old super powers mod that I did with jk-5 ^^

L468[04:35:59] <Lordmau5> or rather, "started" on

L469[04:36:09] <Lordmau5> literally had no functionality, but the idea was there and all

L470[04:36:20] <killjoy> I want to be momen rider

L471[04:36:26] <killjoy> *mumen

L472[04:36:29] <Lordmau5> Licenseless* Rider

L473[04:36:48] <killjoy> ah, can't drive

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L476[04:38:28] <killjoy> have you seen the one punch man parody that was uploaded a week ago?

L477[04:38:33] <Lordmau5> ?

L478[04:38:46] <killjoy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ8VueL2oVQ

L479[04:38:56] <Lordmau5> oh god

L480[04:40:21] <Lordmau5> ye, no, not that good

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L482[04:41:15] <killjoy> Yeah, animation isn't his strong point

L483[04:41:22] <killjoy> VA's pretty good

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L485[04:45:10] <Cypher121> yay, research syncing works

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L504[05:53:45] <Pennyw95> what's the point of a tile entity without ITickable?

L505[05:54:04] <Lordmau5> well, exactly what it is

L506[05:54:07] <Lordmau5> a tile entity that doesn't tick

L507[05:54:17] <Lordmau5> Which would be... a... chest, for example?

L508[05:54:42] <Lordmau5> afaik, chests don't tick

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L510[05:55:14] <Pennyw95> so, it would be the natural extension of a block, only with more space

L511[05:55:16] <McJty> Pennyw95, there are many uses

L512[05:55:26] <Lordmau5> it's not just a chest that would be applicable here

L513[05:55:26] <McJty> Tile entities are useful for storing information

L514[05:55:31] <Lordmau5> ^

L515[05:56:01] <Lordmau5> I'm trying to think of more potential usages of non-ticking tiles

L516[05:56:08] <Lordmau5> Chest was the only one that came into my mind now...

L517[05:56:10] <Lordmau5> oh

L518[05:56:12] <McJty> Chests and other containers are obvious

L519[05:56:18] <Lordmau5> ye, true

L520[05:56:29] <Lordmau5> a Crafting Table that stores it's inventory

L521[05:56:32] <McJty> Also things that perform an immediate action when you activate them

L522[05:56:35] <Lordmau5> would count towards Chest though, but either way! :D

L523[05:56:50] <Pennyw95> even a fluid tank wouldn't need itickable, then

L524[05:57:06] <Pennyw95> cool

L525[05:57:16] <Lordmau5> technically, ye

L526[05:57:42] <Lordmau5> are buildcraft tanks ticking?

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L529[05:58:07] <PaleoCrafter> I suppose it depends on the tank

L530[05:58:07] <McJty> No idea. I would hope not

L531[05:58:19] <PaleoCrafter> if you have something like TE's portable tanks, they'd kinda need to be ticking

L532[05:58:20] <Lordmau5> it does

L533[05:58:34] <McJty> PaleoCrafter, why does that need ticking?

L534[05:58:48] <Lordmau5> thinking of the portable tanks that allow auto output

L535[05:58:51] <Lordmau5> I assume*

L536[05:58:52] <PaleoCrafter> ^

L537[05:59:02] <Lordmau5> portable tanks without that feature wouldn't need it

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L540[06:00:15] <Pennyw95> very nice, off to remove the itickable from the abstract clsss then

L541[06:00:43] <McJty> oh yes. Certainly don't make everything tickable by default

L542[06:00:52] <McJty> I'm very happy that interface was introduced

L543[06:00:59] <Lordmau5> OpenBlocks tanks don't implement ITickable it seems

L544[06:01:01] <McJty> Before that tickable was default because vanilla had canupdate() return true

L545[06:01:46] <Lordmau5> USB floppy drive, urgh

L546[06:02:01] <Pennyw95> openblocks is 1.8?

L547[06:02:03] <Lordmau5> damn, let me tell you, it's not easy to install windows XP on a skylake motherboard

L548[06:02:08] <Lordmau5> seems like it to me?

L549[06:02:15] <Pennyw95> oh, didn't know that

L550[06:02:29] <McJty> Seems it is being ported

L551[06:02:37] <Lordmau5> ah no it isn't

L552[06:02:40] <Lordmau5> hmm

L553[06:02:46] <McJty> https://github.com/OpenMods/OpenBlocks/tree/1.8.X

L554[06:03:09] <Lordmau5> searching ITickable doesn't show jackshit

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L556[06:06:47] <Lordmau5> gotta love that everyone pretty much has to rely on this

L557[06:06:47] <Lordmau5> https://github.com/OpenMods/OpenModsLib/blob/1.8.X/src/main/java/openmods/tileentity/OpenTileEntity.java#L73-L75

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L595[08:27:13] <simon816> Is there supposed to be a difference between the forge jar in the downloads page to the one the installer downloads?

L596[08:27:32] <gigaherz|bday> ?

L597[08:28:00] <gigaherz|bday> the "universal" jar is designed for custom usage such as uploading to a server hosting service

L598[08:28:30] <simon816> I get this when using universal http://pastebin.com/wcHREPxH

L599[08:28:36] <gigaherz|bday> the "installer" jar configures a client "version" in the official launcher, or can set up a server folder for you

L600[08:28:47] <simon816> I just use universal to update existing setup

L601[08:28:50] <gigaherz|bday> yo uare missing the actual server jar

L602[08:29:05] <gigaherz|bday> you need the "minecraft_server.1.8.9.jar" or whatever the exact name is

L603[08:29:07] <simon816> no it's all there, i'm just doing an in-place updade

L604[08:30:25] <simon816> If I compare the jars, one has META-INF/FORGE.DSA the other doesn't

L605[08:30:33] <gigaherz|bday> wait

L606[08:30:39] <gigaherz|bday> are you on a hosting service?

L607[08:30:43] <gigaherz|bday> you need -nogui

L608[08:30:48] <simon816> no, locally

L609[08:31:03] <unascribed> send an ls -l of your server directory

L610[08:31:07] <Quetzi> which forge?

L611[08:31:19] <simon816> 1732

L612[08:31:27] <Quetzi> try 1738

L613[08:31:39] <unascribed> or send an `ls -l` of the directory >.>

L614[08:31:46] <Lordmau5> OR:

L615[08:31:47] <Lordmau5> Do both :p

L616[08:31:51] <unascribed> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

L617[08:31:59] <Quetzi> well, that issue was fixed in 1738

L618[08:32:00] <Lordmau5> so both of these nerds can live happily ever after

L619[08:32:05] <Lordmau5> :>

L620[08:32:18] <simon816> oh it works in 1738

L621[08:32:26] <Lordmau5> get rekt, unascribed!

L622[08:32:31] <Lordmau5> :p

L623[08:32:35] <unascribed> >trying to help

L624[08:32:41] <unascribed> >"get rekt" for being 'wrong'

L625[08:32:41] <unascribed> >k

L626[08:32:42] <Lordmau5> btw your StateManager didn't help with my issue on the fluid rendering

L627[08:32:50] <gigaherz|bday> competitive user support

L628[08:32:51] <gigaherz|bday> XD

L629[08:32:51] <Lordmau5> I know what the issue is though

L630[08:32:57] <Lordmau5> giga, no way

L631[08:33:03] <Quetzi> you weren't wrong though

L632[08:33:04] <Lordmau5> it's your birthday?

L633[08:33:08] <gigaherz|bday> yep

L634[08:33:15] <Lordmau5> dude nice, happy cakeday!

L635[08:33:19] <gigaherz|bday> thx

L636[08:33:29] <unascribed> >cakeday

L637[08:33:58] <simon816> oh this probably explains it https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/commit/32a2bd1dea38d6f3f2eac97f7a40fcf388318d08

L638[08:34:18] <Lordmau5> interesting

L639[08:34:34] <unascribed> which helmet is better?

L640[08:34:34] <unascribed> https://unascribed.com/f/108e97c7_2016-02-11_09.32.11.png

L641[08:34:39] <unascribed> https://unascribed.com/f/ee52f5ed_2016-02-11_09.32.14.png

L642[08:34:49] <Pennyw95> gigaherz: hey, happy birthday!

L643[08:34:52] <gigaherz|bday> thx

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L645[08:35:24] <gigaherz|bday> unascribed: havea key that puts the face thing up and down

L646[08:35:29] <gigaherz|bday> adding an extra bit of armor ;P

L647[08:35:37] <gigaherz|bday> at the exchange of a fullscreen overlay

L648[08:35:39] <gigaherz|bday> ;p

L649[08:35:41] <unascribed> I'd prefer not to add keybinds

L650[08:36:04] <Pennyw95> Lordmau5: what was your issue with fluid rendering?

L651[08:36:09] <Lordmau5> lighting

L652[08:36:18] <Pennyw95> ah right

L653[08:36:28] <Pennyw95> so what was it?

L654[08:36:30] <Lordmau5> I talked with boni about this already (sorry for the ping) and he told me I should do combined-light for it

L655[08:36:38] <Lordmau5> https://github.com/SlimeKnights/TinkersConstruct/blob/master/src/main/java/slimeknights/tconstruct/library/client/RenderUtil.java#L135

L656[08:36:45] <unascribed> currently the helmets are actually two separate items, hence only 3 seconds between the screenshots :P

L657[08:37:04] <Pennyw95> instead of getLuminosity?

L658[08:37:16] <Lordmau5> you didn't read that line yet did you?

L659[08:37:18] <Pennyw95> I mean ,just that

L660[08:37:21] <Pennyw95> no xD

L661[08:37:32] <Pennyw95> ah, I see

L662[08:37:34] <Lordmau5> apparently

L663[08:37:39] <Pennyw95> nice

L664[08:37:40] <Lordmau5> well, before I only took the getLuminosity

L665[08:37:44] <Lordmau5> which, obviously, is 0 at water

L666[08:37:45] <Lordmau5> for example

L667[08:37:54] <Lordmau5> but when you place water in the world, it's not rendering with 0 luminosity

L668[08:37:59] <Lordmau5> but with the combined light which is around it

L669[08:38:16] <Lordmau5> I didn't notice it since I tested most of the tanks with lava in 1.8

L670[08:39:35] <Pennyw95> makes sense

L671[08:39:38] <Pennyw95> (me too)

L672[08:39:47] <Lordmau5> :P

L673[08:39:58] <sham1> Good cakeday giga

L674[08:40:20] <Pennyw95> Minecraft.getMinecraft.theWorld.getCombinedLight(new BlockPos(x,y,z), fluid.getLuminosity)

L675[08:40:23] <gigaherz|bday> thx

L676[08:40:52] <sham1> All the parens that could be there

L677[08:41:00] <Pennyw95> new BlockPos though...not pretty

L678[08:41:15] <Pennyw95> silly me

L679[08:41:21] <sham1> Yeah, lets make it tuple /s

L680[08:41:28] <Lordmau5> huh?

L681[08:41:32] <Lordmau5> why not go with the tilePos?

L682[08:41:35] <Pennyw95> te.getPos

L683[08:41:37] <Lordmau5> ye

L684[08:41:41] <Pennyw95> because I'm an idiot ahah

L685[08:41:45] <Lordmau5> :P

L686[08:42:07] <sham1> Noted

L687[08:44:01] <Pennyw95> that's an awesome render class

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L691[08:47:42] <Pennyw95> Maybe I'm just missing something obvious, but is there something wrong with making a TE search for its master TE at construction time instead of inside update?

L692[08:48:15] <McJty> Pennyw95, at construction time the master TE may not be there yet.

L693[08:48:34] <McJty> Pennyw95, order at which TE's are created is not defined

L694[08:48:52] <Pennyw95> it always will because my multiblock creator puts the master as the first block. And I've added null checks anyway

L695[08:49:03] <unascribed> but what if the world is loading?

L696[08:49:09] <unascribed> nevermind when you make your multiblock

L697[08:49:25] <Pennyw95> if I save to nbt?

L698[08:49:38] <McJty> Pennyw95, at load time the te's can be reloaded in any order

L699[08:49:44] <McJty> Pennyw95, so your master te can be loaded last

L700[08:49:51] <gigaherz|bday> yay works! first time I make an item that opens a gui

L701[08:49:51] <gigaherz|bday> XD

L702[08:50:03] <Pennyw95> So...i'm forced to put the calculation inside update()?

L703[08:50:10] <McJty> Pennyw95, no

L704[08:50:21] <McJty> What I usually do in such cases is 'lazy evaluation'

L705[08:50:28] <gigaherz|bday> there's a method in the TE

L706[08:50:42] <gigaherz|bday> that is run after the world has been initialized?

L707[08:50:44] <McJty> Only get it when you first need it and cache the location

L708[08:50:45] <gigaherz|bday> IIRC

L709[08:50:52] <McJty> (don't cache the TE itself!)

L710[08:50:54] <gigaherz|bday> but yeah, best approach for multiblocks is

L711[08:50:58] <Pennyw95> java has lazy evaluation?

L712[08:51:00] <gigaherz|bday> keep only the relative location

L713[08:51:03] <Pennyw95> but yes, great idea

L714[08:51:09] <gigaherz|bday> Pennyw95: you do it yourself

L715[08:51:10] <McJty> If you do it yourselves yes

L716[08:51:32] <gigaherz|bday> if(posMaster == null) {posMaster = getPos().offset(xOffset, yOffset, zOffset); }

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L718[08:52:22] <McJty> Do not make the mistake of storing a reference to the actual TE there though. Just remember the position

L719[08:52:50] <Pennyw95> so, the world reloads, a new TE with the old data is made?

L720[08:52:58] <Pennyw95> and poiting to the old one => npe?

L721[08:53:02] <unascribed> if I wanted to render extra stuff on top of the vanilla armor, which event should I use?

L722[08:53:04] <unascribed> Specials.Post?

L723[08:53:05] <McJty> Not a npe but it will not work

L724[08:53:13] <McJty> As the old one cannot get garbage collected

L725[08:53:14] <williewillus> unascribed: 1.7 or 8?

L726[08:53:17] <unascribed> 7

L727[08:53:20] <McJty> So you get a pointer to something that is no longer in the world

L728[08:53:22] <williewillus> yes specials event

L729[08:53:32] <unascribed> for future reference, what would it be in 8

L730[08:53:38] <williewillus> LayerRenderers

L731[08:53:44] <McJty> On the client it is even worse. Tile entities at client side are constantly recreated

L732[08:53:50] <unascribed> that sounds extremely useful and I am now even more annoyed to be stuck on 1.7

L733[08:54:02] <McJty> unascribed, why are you stuck there?

L734[08:54:03] <williewillus> how so stuck :P

L735[08:54:10] <unascribed> this mod only exists for a private modpack

L736[08:54:18] <gigaherz|bday> [15:52] (Pennyw95): and poiting to the old one => npe?

L737[08:54:22] <gigaherz|bday> an NPE would be "nice"

L738[08:54:25] <unascribed> until such a time as the ~20 mods that are still 1.7-only update, I have to develop it for 1.7

L739[08:54:27] <gigaherz|bday> problem is you wouldn't even get an npe

L740[08:54:39] <gigaherz|bday> just an horrible mess where you don't know what's partof the new world, and what's part of the old one

L741[08:55:01] <gigaherz|bday> and that includes chunk unloading/reloading

L742[08:55:09] <gigaherz|bday> imagine your multiblock is in a chunk edge

L743[08:55:16] <gigaherz|bday> and the master is in one chunk

L744[08:55:20] <gigaherz|bday> while a slave is in another chunk

L745[08:55:24] <gigaherz|bday> and the master unloads

L746[08:55:41] <gigaherz|bday> if oyu keep the TE reference, then you'd be keeping data from the unloaded chunk

L747[08:55:44] <gigaherz|bday> and once the chunk reloads

L748[08:55:50] <gigaherz|bday> there would be a NEW te instance created

L749[08:55:57] <gigaherz|bday> but oyu'd still refer to the old one

L750[08:56:12] <McJty> BTW, it might also be a good idea to store relative coordinates and not absolute ones

L751[08:56:16] <Pennyw95> oh ok..

L752[08:56:24] <McJty> That way your structure can be more easily moved with various frame mods

L753[08:56:33] <Pennyw95> relative? like this.getPos.add(distance)?

L754[08:56:40] <McJty> Well not a distance

L755[08:56:42] <McJty> A dx,dy,dz

L756[08:56:47] <gigaherz|bday> yeah

L757[08:56:50] <Pennyw95> didn't want to type pos.getX etc XD

L758[08:56:59] <gigaherz|bday> if oyu are "2 up" "3 west"

L759[08:57:15] <gigaherz|bday> then store xOffset=3, yOffset=-2

L760[08:57:31] <williewillus> or just store that in a pos :P

L761[08:57:37] <gigaherz|bday> so that you can later do getPos().offset(xOff,yOff,zOff)

L762[08:57:38] <Pennyw95> well, I'm actually searching in a 5x5 for the master, that's why I want to te to do it just once

L763[08:57:50] <williewillus> botania multiblocks do that so I can just do getPos().add(offsetPos)

L764[08:57:55] <McJty> Pennyw95, yes that's fine. You can combine that with the tips we gave you here

L765[08:58:10] <gigaherz|bday> well if you don't actually SAVE the relative coords to NBT

L766[08:58:13] <gigaherz|bday> that's a different matter

L767[08:58:35] <McJty> Still makes sense to keep it relative

L768[08:58:41] <McJty> As then the cache will keep working

L769[08:58:48] <Lordmau5> might as well just offer my code o/

L770[08:58:49] <McJty> Otherwise you risk accessing a different block if your structure is moved

L771[08:59:01] <Lordmau5> since I do a master/slave logic as well

L772[08:59:39] <McJty> There are many ways to do multiblocks. In RFTools I now have a multiblock that can span different distant locations and even different dimensions

L773[08:59:43] <Pennyw95> well my master slave stuff wroks just fine, I'm just trying to improve performance

L774[08:59:48] <McJty> And the entire thing stays operational even if those dimensions are not loaded ;-)

L775[08:59:52] <Lordmau5> ah

L776[09:00:07] <Pennyw95> but thanks anyway :)

L777[09:01:10] <Pennyw95> so, I should have the te calculate the master when the multiblock is created, and it will find it. Then, it will save the master's blockpos to nbt, then retrieve the master from them

L778[09:01:34] <McJty> Pennyw95, relative blockpos

L779[09:01:36] <gigaherz|bday> don't save the master blockpos, save the relative position instead

L780[09:01:57] <Pennyw95> so getPos - master.getPos?

L781[09:02:05] <Pennyw95> I mean, the distance for every coord?

L782[09:02:13] <McJty> yes

L783[09:02:14] <gigaherz|bday> yep

L784[09:02:26] <Pennyw95> and that for eventual mods that move stuff?

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L786[09:02:43] <Pennyw95> ok then :) thank you

L787[09:02:45] <McJty> Not eventual

L788[09:02:49] <McJty> RFTools can move stuff already

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L790[09:03:05] <McJty> And players like it when moved things keep working ;-)

L791[09:03:05] <gigaherz|bday> my packingtape mod can move random TileEntities

L792[09:03:09] <gigaherz|bday> unless they are blacklisted ;P

L793[09:03:15] <Pennyw95> BlockPos could benefit from its own writeToNBT method

L794[09:03:18] <unascribed> don't get blacklisted, write your TE correctly :P

L795[09:03:39] <gigaherz|bday> well I had to blacklist command blocks

L796[09:03:41] <gigaherz|bday> for safety ;P

L797[09:04:11] <McJty> My first version of the rftools mover could move bedrock

L798[09:04:25] <gigaherz|bday> https://github.com/gigaherz/PackingTape/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/packingtape/ModPackingTape.java#L92

L799[09:04:28] <gigaherz|bday> heh

L800[09:04:34] <gigaherz|bday> mine only moves tileentities

L801[09:06:34] <Pennyw95> so I have a variable calculated on creation, can I prevent the game to re compute also on new TE instances? and just on multiblock creation?

L802[09:07:04] <McJty> Pennyw95, well if you do it in a lazy way it will only get recomputed when you need it

L803[09:07:10] <McJty> Pennyw95, so that should work in all cases

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L805[09:08:12] <McJty> If you never use/need it it will never get calculated

L806[09:08:31] <Pennyw95> so this is good: nbt.setInteger("x", this.getPos.getX - master.getPos.getX)

L807[09:10:02] <gigaherz|bday> it's not specifically bad

L808[09:10:11] <gigaherz|bday> but I'd suggest keeping the offset in the TE as a field

L809[09:10:33] <gigaherz|bday> because that way readFromNBT won't be expected to produce a final number

L810[09:10:42] <gigaherz|bday> and you will be ableto lazily evaluate the blockpos when you need it

L811[09:10:53] <unascribed> yeah, and keeping a handle to the master in a field could cause "things to happen that shouldn't happen"

L812[09:11:23] <Pennyw95> I'm getting confused

L813[09:11:41] <Pennyw95> I need to lazily evaluate the master TE object, right?

L814[09:11:56] <gigaherz|bday> no

L815[09:12:00] <gigaherz|bday> the suggestion is

L816[09:12:05] <gigaherz|bday> 1. lazily evaluate the blockpos

L817[09:12:14] <gigaherz|bday> 2. do NOT cache the master TE, get it from the worldObj every time you need it

L818[09:12:40] <Lordmau5> this is how I do it

L819[09:12:40] <Lordmau5> https://github.com/Lordmau5/FFS/blob/master/src/main/java/com/lordmau5/ffs/tile/abstracts/AbstractTankTile.java#L53-L65

L820[09:12:49] <McJty> You can have a convenience method that does getMasterTE() and let it see if there is cached relative position present already

L821[09:12:52] <McJty> If yes then use that

L822[09:13:03] <McJty> If not then calculate it and use that. Using means get the TE at the getPos + relpos

L823[09:13:24] <unascribed> when using RenderPlayerEvent.Specials.Post, is there an easy way to translate to the position of a specific armor piece, or no?

L824[09:15:12] <gigaherz|bday> no idea never used it

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L826[09:17:21] <Pennyw95> ah, gigaherz? was onLoad the method you were talking about?

L827[09:17:27] <gigaherz|bday> possibly

L828[09:17:37] <gigaherz|bday> I came across it helping someone else

L829[09:17:41] <gigaherz|bday> but I didn't actually use it myself

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L832[09:24:15] <Pennyw95> what if

L833[09:24:18] <gigaherz|bday> does minecraft's drawString support line breaks at all?

L834[09:24:52] <Pennyw95> can a chunk get reloaded while the player is still playing?

L835[09:25:05] <unascribed> gigaherz|bday, no, it'll show an "LF" box

L836[09:25:14] <unascribed> you need to interpret newlines yourself

L837[09:25:29] <gigaherz|bday> found a solution

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L839[09:25:40] <gigaherz|bday> drawSplitString has a width arg

L840[09:26:47] <Pennyw95> Ok guys, question time: lazy eval helps me, but since my slave TE's purpose is to interact with other TEs that look for IInventory or IFluidHandler (pipes), they redirect every request to the master

L841[09:27:21] <Pennyw95> what happens if the world is loading, and one of those connected TEs make a request before the master is loaded, nullifying the lazy eval?

L842[09:27:45] <Pennyw95> the slave redirects*

L843[09:27:52] <McJty> Pennyw95, well if the TE is not present simply do nothing. So check if the TE you get is null

L844[09:28:01] <McJty> Next time the request happens again it will try to find the TE again

L845[09:28:07] <McJty> As soon as it is ready it will start working

L846[09:28:14] <Pennyw95> I already have null checks in the IFluidHandler method...so that it?

L847[09:28:43] <McJty> Can't tell from here but probably

L848[09:28:46] <Pennyw95> but then, if it evals immediately due a request and returns null, it will not eval again and master will stay null

L849[09:29:02] <McJty> Pennyw95, why will it not eval again?

L850[09:29:06] <McJty> Pennyw95, if it is null it will try again next time

L851[09:29:20] <Pennyw95> next time is "next construction time"

L852[09:29:25] <Pennyw95> since it's not inside update

L853[09:29:31] <McJty> ?

L854[09:30:13] <Pennyw95> it's in the constructor

L855[09:30:52] <McJty> So?

L856[09:31:46] <Pennyw95> public TE() {master == null; is(master == null) master = getMaster()}

L857[09:32:15] <Pennyw95> this is done once when the world loads

L858[09:32:15] <McJty> Don't put that in the constructor

L859[09:32:16] <Lordmau5> short question:

L860[09:32:17] <McJty> Use a getter

L861[09:32:22] <Lordmau5> ye that

L862[09:32:26] <McJty> Pennyw95, the constructor should be empty

L863[09:32:33] <gigaherz|bday> we already told you notto keep the master in a field

L864[09:32:34] <Lordmau5> as I said before, check my implementation

L865[09:32:35] <McJty> getMaster() should do all the work

L866[09:32:41] <Lordmau5> never reference the "master" field

L867[09:32:45] <Lordmau5> use getMaster() all thetime

L868[09:32:47] <McJty> And keep the master as a relative coordinate (not the TE)

L869[09:33:09] <McJty> Let getMaster() do the work of seeing if the relative coordinate is set, if not scan for it, and return the TE at that location

L870[09:33:10] <Lordmau5> McJty: so in theory, my implementation is bad? https://github.com/Lordmau5/FFS/blob/master/src/main/java/com/lordmau5/ffs/tile/abstracts/AbstractTankTile.java#L53-L65

L871[09:33:34] <Lordmau5> saying that I should not cache the actual TE, but *only* the position of it

L872[09:33:38] <McJty> I would not keep a reference to the actual valve

L873[09:33:43] <McJty> That can cause problems

L874[09:34:08] <Lordmau5> that's why it's set to null when I update the master-pos

L875[09:34:21] <Lordmau5> so upon the next getMasterValve() call it's getting it fresh

L876[09:34:26] <McJty> What if the chunk containing the master gets reloaded?

L877[09:34:34] <McJty> But your block isn't

L878[09:34:36] <McJty> So you get a new TE

L879[09:34:41] <McJty> But you will never know

L880[09:34:45] <McJty> And still refer to the old valve

L881[09:34:51] <Lordmau5> hmm...

L882[09:35:13] <Lordmau5> Then again, I went for this because I thought that always calling getTileEntity(blockpos) would drain performance

L883[09:35:27] <McJty> That's pretty efficient. I wouldn't worry about that

L884[09:35:31] <McJty> But I have to go

L885[09:35:35] <McJty> Later!

L886[09:35:39] <Lordmau5> ok o/

L887[09:35:40] <unascribed> yeah, it's a map lookup

L888[09:35:40] <Pennyw95> bye

L889[09:35:41] <unascribed> cya

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L891[09:35:46] <Lordmau5> ah ok, map lookup

L892[09:35:58] <Lordmau5> I'll make sure to change that method later on then to prevent potential future crashes

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L895[09:39:25] <Pennyw95> I'd do to do without implementing ITickable though

L896[09:39:31] <Pennyw95> I'd like to*

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L898[09:40:28] <Lordmau5> back to my question:

L899[09:40:36] <Lordmau5> when is "validate" being called? I think I asked this already in the past

L900[09:40:42] <Lordmau5> before the world is initiated, or after?

L901[09:40:47] <Lordmau5> as in, is it called when the worldObj is null?

L902[09:42:13] <Pennyw95> man, what re computing the master only when requested by pipes? and lazy eval at construction time?

L903[09:42:37] <gigaherz|bday> gah crap, I discovered a flaw with my idea

L904[09:42:41] <Pennyw95> what about*

L905[09:42:43] <gigaherz|bday> now that I finished implementing it

L906[09:42:57] <gigaherz|bday> Pennyw95:

L907[09:43:03] <gigaherz|bday> don't do anything at construction, at all

L908[09:43:04] <gigaherz|bday> then

L909[09:43:13] <gigaherz|bday> when a pipe or something wants to interact

L910[09:43:14] <gigaherz|bday> only then

L911[09:43:17] <gigaherz|bday> you use getMaster()

L912[09:43:25] <gigaherz|bday> and relay the call to the master

L913[09:43:30] <gigaherz|bday> no tickables or anything

L914[09:43:33] <Lordmau5> canExtractEnergy, for example

L915[09:43:35] <Lordmau5> canFill

L916[09:43:36] <Lordmau5> that kinda stuff

L917[09:43:52] <gigaherz|bday> all you need is to know when the TE has been "assembled"

L918[09:43:59] <gigaherz|bday> and you keep that info until it's unassembled

L919[09:44:31] <gigaherz|bday> but ALL you save, is the relative coords.

L920[09:44:52] <PaleoCrafter> Geez, Dampfnudeln are the best :3

L921[09:45:08] <Pennyw95> my slave doesn't need to eep track of the master except when another requests it

L922[09:45:18] <PaleoCrafter> So good, there's not a even a proper English translation

L923[09:45:19] <Pennyw95> so why not have the look for it at every request, without saving?

L924[09:45:24] <Pennyw95> thme*

L925[09:45:27] <Pennyw95> them**

L926[09:45:30] <gigaherz|bday> you mean scan tyhe whole 5x5x5 area?

L927[09:45:37] <gigaherz|bday> that seems inefficient

L928[09:45:41] <Pennyw95> you're right, maybe it's not great

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L930[09:46:02] <Pennyw95> so, I need a lazy eval to scan, then save the coords, the have getMaster use the coords

L931[09:46:14] <Pennyw95> lazy eval inside onLoad()

L932[09:46:18] <Pennyw95> ho about this?

L933[09:46:24] <gigaherz|bday> that's not lazyeval

L934[09:46:31] <gigaherz|bday> ifyou do it always, then it's not lazy

L935[09:46:43] <Pennyw95> onLoad it's not called alway

L936[09:46:44] <gigaherz|bday> lazy means you only do it when you can't delay any longer

L937[09:46:50] <Pennyw95> i know

L938[09:46:57] <gigaherz|bday> onLoad is called always, when the TE is initialized

L939[09:47:16] <Pennyw95> ok, so I get the master via the 5x5 scan within onLoad

L940[09:47:24] <gigaherz|bday> ...no

L941[09:47:48] <gigaherz|bday> scan for the master in getMaster

L942[09:47:50] <Pennyw95> why not? then I can just save to nbt the coords, and throw that var away

L943[09:47:52] <gigaherz|bday> but only if you haven't found it before

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L945[09:48:03] <gigaherz|bday> ifyou save the nbt coords, then you don't needto scan, do you?

L946[09:48:07] <Pennyw95> oh, that's good too

L947[09:48:18] <Lordmau5> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnNX8SsKF18

L948[09:48:22] <Lordmau5> nice ad, not gonna lie

L949[09:48:40] <PaleoCrafter> Store the coords relative to the block though

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L951[09:48:44] <Pennyw95> gigaherz: you're right: if the master hasn't loaded before the slave, I'm screwed

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L957[09:49:44] <gigaherz|bday> hmmm

L958[09:49:59] <gigaherz|bday> was there a way to make an item stackable somtimes?

L959[09:50:26] <Lordmau5> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wM2c3WtDjQ

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L1072[09:57:18] <gigaherz|bday> ugh I just realized

L1073[09:57:22] <Pennyw95> crash?

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L1076[09:57:35] <gigaherz|bday> having Slot#getSlotStackLimit return 1 doesn't work for shift-clicking

L1077[09:57:51] <gigaherz|bday> it still still happily place a full stack onto the slot like it or not XD

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L1106[09:59:15] <gigaherz|bday> andn ow it eats items

L1107[09:59:17] <gigaherz|bday> XD

L1108[09:59:30] <gigaherz|bday> made the inventory class return stack limit 1 also

L1109[09:59:48] <gigaherz|bday> cou can now shift-click a fill stack of diamonds, and it will only keep 1, discard the other 63

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L1121[10:01:38] <PitchBright> Wuppy: did you ever happen to do a tut on metadata blocks for 1.7.10?

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L1164[10:03:14] <Wuppy> PitchBright, I haven't had much time for modding tutorials anymore :<

L1165[10:03:19] <Wuppy> but I did write a book about it \o/

L1166[10:03:49] <PitchBright> i was hopin' you did one for it in 1710 but couldn't find anything

L1167[10:03:59] <PitchBright> where do i get the book?

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L1169[10:04:37] <Wuppy> http://www.amazon.com/Minecraft-Development-Hours-Teach-Yourself/dp/0672337193

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L1171[10:05:10] <PitchBright> so YOU are Sam!?

L1172[10:05:23] <Wuppy> no, Sams is a series by the publisher

L1173[10:05:38] <PitchBright> I'm jk mang

L1174[10:05:39] <PaleoCrafter> not the missing apostrophe, it's not a genitive :P

L1175[10:05:43] <PaleoCrafter> *note

L1176[10:06:08] <PitchBright> :D

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L1182[10:13:58] <Pennyw95> well that was more complex than I thought...hope it works now

L1183[10:17:14] <Pennyw95> nah it doesn't

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L1186[10:20:51] <Pennyw95> now this crash is really weird... http://pastebin.com/kxF6rUSs

L1187[10:22:30] <gigaherz|bday> gah limiting transferStackInSlot to only put one single item on the slot is HARD >_>

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L1189[10:30:25] <gigaherz|bday> ended up overriding mergeItemStacks with a slightly customized versio nthat DOES consider the slot's stack limit

L1190[10:30:29] <gigaherz|bday> I should PR that to forge ¬¬

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L1194[10:33:29] <fry> oh my god

L1195[10:33:36] <fry> we detected gravitational waves

L1196[10:33:52] <gigaherz|bday> did we? :D

L1197[10:34:22] <fry> https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/458vhd/gravitational_wave_megathread/

L1198[10:34:25] <gigaherz|bday> (I assume "we" you mean humanity, if you were part of that team, grats ;P)

L1199[10:34:37] <fry> heh, I'm not that good :P

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L1201[10:35:08] <unascribed> is there a way to decouple the camera from the player?

L1202[10:35:16] <unascribed> trying to write an armor renderer

L1203[10:35:20] <unascribed> and need to look at the player in profile

L1204[10:35:24] <gigaherz|bday> nope

L1205[10:35:29] <unascribed> :/

L1206[10:35:40] <gigaherz|bday> open to lan

L1207[10:35:41] <unascribed> I guess I could use MP

L1208[10:35:42] <unascribed> yeah

L1209[10:35:42] <gigaherz|bday> connect another player

L1210[10:36:19] <unascribed> now with double the lag!

L1211[10:37:12] <gigaherz|bday> the only way to decouple thecamera from the player

L1212[10:37:16] <gigaherz|bday> would be to render the world twice

L1213[10:37:33] <gigaherz|bday> IIRC

L1214[10:37:39] <gigaherz|bday> so you endu p in the same situation

L1215[10:37:40] <gigaherz|bday> ;P

L1216[10:37:47] <unascribed> or a renderViewEntity

L1217[10:37:52] <unascribed> sounds like a useful utility mod

L1218[10:37:58] * fry have that

L1219[10:38:02] <fry> *has

L1220[10:38:06] <unascribed> oh?

L1221[10:38:11] <unascribed> is it available?

L1222[10:38:18] <fry> lemme find the link

L1223[10:38:40] <fry> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fqi882he0618f13/EntityCameraMod-1.0.jar?dl=0

L1224[10:38:48] <unascribed> mc version?

L1225[10:39:09] <unascribed> I guess I could just check the mcmod.info

L1226[10:39:26] <fry> 1.8.9

L1227[10:39:28] <unascribed> :/

L1228[10:39:35] <fry> here's how it looks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgeUtbNsPXA

L1229[10:40:23] <unascribed> I guess I'm just stuck with using MP

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L1232[10:40:57] <gigaherz|bday> fry: nice, I didn't think that was possible without heavy asming

L1233[10:41:18] <fry> all events are in forge

L1234[10:41:38] <fry> mod is basically CommandBase + a couple of event handlers

L1235[10:43:08] <gigaherz|bday> heh

L1236[10:43:22] <gigaherz|bday> then I'll have to update my answer to unascribed's original question ;P

L1237[10:43:34] <unascribed> yeah, it's just renderViewEntity

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L1242[10:50:06] <MattDahEpic> is there any program where you can paste in mcp named code and itll rename all the names to their nice ones?

L1243[10:50:14] <unascribed> BON2

L1244[10:50:25] <unascribed> https://github.com/Parker8283/BON2

L1245[10:50:32] <MattDahEpic> its already deobf'd

L1246[10:50:41] <unascribed> then what are you trying to do?

L1247[10:51:14] <gigaherz|bday> he wants to do what runtime deobf does already in forge

L1248[10:51:21] <gigaherz|bday> rename srg->nice

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L1250[10:51:48] <gigaherz|bday> but

L1251[10:51:49] <unascribed> which it what BON2 does??

L1252[10:51:52] <Pennyw95> gigaherz what about a if(master == null) findMaster() inside update()?

L1253[10:51:53] <unascribed> s/it/is/

L1254[10:51:56] <gigaherz|bday> yeah I was about to say

L1255[10:52:05] <gigaherz|bday> Pennyw95: what would that achieve?

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L1257[10:52:28] <Pennyw95> well it could be an alternative to a non ticking one computing the master?

L1258[10:52:28] <gigaherz|bday> think about it

L1259[10:52:46] <gigaherz|bday> it would run at most one tick later than onLoad

L1260[10:52:50] <gigaherz|bday> but requires ticking

L1261[10:53:07] <Pennyw95> does it still reduce performance, even when the condition is false?

L1262[10:53:09] <gigaherz|bday> for all practical purposes, it's exactly as non-lazy as just doing it in onLoad

L1263[10:53:37] <gigaherz|bday> the slowdown doesn'tm atter

L1264[10:53:38] <gigaherz|bday> matteR*

L1265[10:53:42] <gigaherz|bday> matter**

L1266[10:53:49] <gigaherz|bday> the point is it gives no advantage over onLoad

L1267[10:54:01] <Pennyw95> ehm but I've been getting some weird crashes while trying to do as you suggested, so..

L1268[10:54:47] <gigaherz|bday> here is what you should be doing:

L1269[10:55:14] <gigaherz|bday> 1. in a field, keep the xyz/blockpos with the RELATIVE coords of the master

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L1271[10:56:05] <gigaherz|bday> 2. in a getMaster() method, if xyz is not assigned yet, find the master coords, then finally return worldObj.getTileEntityAt(getPos().offset(xyz))

L1272[10:56:22] <gigaherz|bday> 3. from any method that needs the master, call getMaster()

L1273[10:56:45] <gigaherz|bday> and NEVER store the master in a field "for later".

L1274[10:57:23] <unascribed> fancy rendering achieved: https://unascribed.com/i/194bd505.png

L1275[10:57:40] <gigaherz|bday> fancy indeed

L1276[10:58:15] <Pennyw95> what's the difference between pos.add and pos.offset?

L1277[10:58:31] <gigaherz|bday> pos.add works with a BlockPos, pos.offset works with separate x,y,z

L1278[10:58:45] <gigaherz|bday> if you store the relative coords using a BlockPos object, you'd use add

L1279[10:58:52] <gigaherz|bday> if you store them in 3 separate ints, you'd use offset

L1280[10:59:01] <gigaherz|bday> (IIRC)

L1281[10:59:02] <gigaherz|bday> XD

L1282[10:59:09] <unascribed> https://unascribed.com/i/d57d98fb.png :D

L1283[10:59:42] <Pennyw95> add takes 3 ints too

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L1285[11:02:06] <PaleoCrafter> there's no version of offset that takes 3 ints :P only facing + an optional int

L1286[11:02:27] <Pennyw95> can't I just store the master.getPos, save the xyz to nbt and then make a new one with the xyz from nbt?

L1287[11:03:01] <gigaherz|bday> ah then I brainfarted

L1288[11:03:03] <gigaherz|bday> XD

L1289[11:03:07] <gigaherz|bday> must be add for both cases

L1290[11:03:08] <gigaherz|bday> XD

L1291[11:03:25] <Pennyw95> eheh :P

L1292[11:03:27] <gigaherz|bday> Pennyw95: that would stop working if someone moves your slave around

L1293[11:03:37] <gigaherz|bday> that's why we strongly suggest you use relative coords

L1294[11:03:46] <PaleoCrafter> if somebody even touches your slave, they deserve to die?

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L1296[11:03:59] <Pennyw95> I'll answer that another time :P

L1297[11:04:20] <Pennyw95> but if I create a new BlockPos in readFromNBT made with the relative coords, isn't it ok?

L1298[11:04:54] <Pennyw95> well, there probably ins't much difference...I'll be better off with 3 ints

L1299[11:05:32] <gigaherz|bday> so

L1300[11:05:32] <gigaherz|bday> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/743491/2016-02-11_18.04.52.png

L1301[11:05:40] <gigaherz|bday> what do you ppl think of my pocket gem analyzing kit?

L1302[11:05:58] <Pennyw95> So, the procedure is this: I have 4 uninstantiated variables: master, x, y, z

L1303[11:06:06] <Pennyw95> very cool :D

L1304[11:06:06] <gigaherz|bday> DO NOT SAVE MASTER

L1305[11:06:12] <gigaherz|bday> DO NOT keep it in a field

L1306[11:06:15] <Pennyw95> 3

L1307[11:06:17] <gigaherz|bday> it defeats the whole purpose

L1308[11:06:27] <MattDahEpic> has anyone made a tree of Entity hierarchy like EntityLiving-->EntityPlayer & EntityLivingBase?

L1309[11:06:46] <gigaherz|bday> MattDahEpic: ask your IDE to do that for you ;P

L1310[11:07:07] <Pennyw95> then, i only want my TE to evaluate the master's position when requested by IFluidhandler's methods, right? so no onLoad() / inside constructor / inside update()

L1311[11:07:31] <gigaherz|bday> MattDahEpic: in IDEA yo ucan use Navigate -> Type hierarchy

L1312[11:07:38] <gigaherz|bday> start from Entity

L1313[11:07:41] <gigaherz|bday> and you'll see the tree

L1314[11:08:11] <gigaherz|bday> Pennyw95: exactly

L1315[11:08:13] <Pennyw95> so, I need a getMaster that will: get the master from the saved xyz or, if they are still uninstantiated, scan the 5x5 area. then save xyz

L1316[11:08:15] <gigaherz|bday> youd method may look a bit like

L1317[11:08:32] <gigaherz|bday> public void setFluidWhatever() { getMaster().setFluidWhatever(); }

L1318[11:08:52] <Pennyw95> already done

L1319[11:09:31] <gigaherz|bday> ugh youtube/firefox works like crap today

L1320[11:09:36] <gigaherz|bday> videos just stop loading randomly

L1321[11:09:54] <gigaherz|bday> haveto "poke" the progress slider to get it to continue

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L1325[11:13:19] <Pennyw95> uninstantiaed ints are 0, right?

L1326[11:14:16] <gigaherz|bday> ints are not "instantiated"

L1327[11:14:18] <gigaherz|bday> but yes

L1328[11:14:24] <gigaherz|bday> uninitialized int fields are set to 0

L1329[11:14:43] <gigaherz|bday> and yes, checking if "x==0 && y==0 && z==0" would tell you if you have found the master or not

L1330[11:15:25] <Pennyw95> ok

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L1332[11:16:11] <PaleoCrafter> y u no optional

L1333[11:16:35] <Pennyw95> (yes that's what I'll do :P)

L1334[11:18:02] <gigaherz|bday> you could just store it as a BlockPos

L1335[11:18:06] <gigaherz|bday> and use null as uninitialized

L1336[11:18:06] <gigaherz|bday> XD

L1337[11:18:14] * PaleoCrafter slaps gigaherz|bday

L1338[11:18:49] <gigaherz|bday> remember, I'm a C# developer

L1339[11:19:04] <gigaherz|bday> in C#, we have a thing called Nullable<T>

L1340[11:19:14] <gigaherz|bday> which can be applied to structs and primitive types

L1341[11:19:36] <gigaherz|bday> which is close to java's Optional, but in a funny way

L1342[11:20:09] <gigaherz|bday> you have two ways to use it, you can compareto null

L1343[11:20:25] <gigaherz|bday> or you can use "nullable.HasValue" and "nullable.Value" for explicit testing

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L1345[11:21:10] <gigaherz|bday> (and no, it's not a reference type, it can't actually be "null", it just compares to null ;P)

L1346[11:22:15] <PaleoCrafter> what does comparing mean in this context? :P

L1347[11:22:35] <gigaherz|bday> int? a; (shorthand for "Nullable<int> a;"

L1348[11:22:43] <Pennyw95> PaleoCrafter: like this? https://gist.github.com/DrBenway95/5bd4bdba1d184debc867

L1349[11:22:45] <gigaherz|bday> if (a == null) { ... }

L1350[11:22:58] <gigaherz|bday> in C#, "==" is a value comparison

L1351[11:23:08] <gigaherz|bday> you have to use Object.ReferenceEquals for reference comparison

L1352[11:23:27] <PaleoCrafter> use BlockPos, Pennyw95

L1353[11:23:45] <Pennyw95> oh, blimey

L1354[11:23:48] <Pennyw95> forgot about that

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L1356[11:25:06] <Pennyw95> here: https://gist.github.com/DrBenway95/7fb513cb6f95c2946fad

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L1359[11:26:02] <PaleoCrafter> did you change anything at all? :P

L1360[11:26:28] <gigaherz|bday> hmmm

L1361[11:26:45] <gigaherz|bday> I may have to change the way I do the analyzer identification

L1362[11:26:51] <Pennyw95> the readFromNBT

L1363[11:26:58] <Pennyw95> it saves the relative positions

L1364[11:27:07] <Pennyw95> I thought that's what you meant

L1365[11:27:16] <PaleoCrafter> use BlockPos for storing the position, too :P

L1366[11:27:26] <Pennyw95> Oki

L1367[11:27:28] <gigaherz|bday> here's my issue: I'm currently using an item-based gui, which uses its own internal IInventory and such

L1368[11:27:32] <Pennyw95> brb in 15 minutes

L1369[11:27:41] <gigaherz|bday> when I place an item in a slot

L1370[11:27:59] <gigaherz|bday> I used the setStackInSlot method to do the conversion

L1371[11:28:19] <gigaherz|bday> but that means the client and the server get different random items

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L1381[11:39:36] <MattDahEpic> so im making a golden lasso-esque mobderpearl and it ideally is able to pick up aggressive mobs. what should i check for to make sure i dont pick up the wrong mobs?

L1382[11:39:58] <MattDahEpic> atm im checking for no targets, not a boss, and less health then the player

L1383[11:44:07] <gigaherz|bday> you are making pokeballs?

L1384[11:44:08] <gigaherz|bday> XD

L1385[11:44:59] <gigaherz|bday> well "Entity extends EntityLivingBase" seems like the #1 thing to test for

L1386[11:46:40] <MattDahEpic> i just want to make sure i dont pick up like aura nodes or something

L1387[11:46:56] <MattDahEpic> and im already testing for entityliving

L1388[11:48:39] <unascribed> aura nodes are blocks

L1389[11:48:45] <MattDahEpic> not in 1.8.9

L1390[11:48:49] <unascribed> oh

L1391[11:48:56] <unascribed> he can't make up his mind of what aura nodes should be >.>

L1392[11:49:06] <unascribed> first they're metadata

L1393[11:49:08] <unascribed> then they're blocks

L1394[11:49:10] <unascribed> now they're entities

L1395[11:49:19] <MattDahEpic> i think he needed the onUpdate to get his aura system working

L1396[11:51:25] <gigaherz|bday> MattDahEpic: I highly doubt aura nodes are living entities

L1397[11:51:26] <gigaherz|bday> XD

L1398[11:51:57] <unascribed> this also means the usual "/kill @e[type=!Player]" to clean up a creative world is harmful

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L1400[11:53:00] <MattDahEpic> i got rid of a tainted node that showed up otside my base by /kill @e[type=Thaumcraft.AuraNode,r=50]

L1401[11:53:38] <gigaherz|bday> lol

L1402[11:54:14] <gigaherz|bday> I did a short playthrough with T5 in the 1.8 version

L1403[11:54:35] <PaleoCrafter> I guess the node moving stuff is easier if they are entities

L1404[11:54:42] <gigaherz|bday> at some point I made the mistake of having just a little bit too much bad aura around my base

L1405[11:54:55] <gigaherz|bday> it started having the "flux events"

L1406[11:55:07] <MattDahEpic> the flux rainstorm is cool

L1407[11:55:08] <gigaherz|bday> which at that point were almost exclusively "spawn taint in random places"

L1408[11:55:14] <MattDahEpic> looks cool*

L1409[11:55:21] <gigaherz|bday> basically broke my base

L1410[11:55:42] <gigaherz|bday> my options were give up the base ( and probably the playthrough, since I didn't want to start over)

L1411[11:55:50] <gigaherz|bday> or creative mode fix the problem

L1412[11:55:56] <gigaherz|bday> I chose the later

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L1414[11:56:18] <gigaherz|bday> spawned a whole bunch of trees and plants all over the base area

L1415[11:56:26] <PaleoCrafter> aw, why did Pennyw leave :/

L1416[11:56:34] <PaleoCrafter> I wanted to teach him some idiomatic Scala, lol

L1417[11:56:46] <gigaherz|bday> he said "brb in 15 minutes", been 30

L1418[11:56:46] <gigaherz|bday> ;P

L1419[11:59:04] <PaleoCrafter> hm... should I send the more accurate client-side look vec with my 'select target' packet and risk exploits or should I use the server-side one?

L1420[11:59:25] <MattDahEpic> go serverside

L1421[11:59:43] <MattDahEpic> unless the only thing you're targeting is silverfish you should be fine

L1422[11:59:54] <diesieben07> just do the targetting clientside

L1423[12:00:01] <diesieben07> and make sure it is somewhat reasonable on the server

L1424[12:00:12] <PaleoCrafter> yeah, that was my other thought, diesieben07

L1425[12:00:23] <diesieben07> that's what vanilla does

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L1427[12:02:08] <PaleoCrafter> I guess I'll just send the MOP

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L1429[12:02:46] <MattDahEpic> does EntityLivingBase.serailizeNBT return the entire mob nbt tag?

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L1432[12:06:05] <Pennyw95> back

L1433[12:08:11] <Pennyw95> PaleoCrafter: but to save the relative positions via NBT, I still need the 3 xyz ints, don't I?

L1434[12:08:15] <PaleoCrafter> here, Pennyw95, have some idiomatic Scala https://gist.github.com/PaleoCrafter/c67c98ffe36e6f5e73dc :3

L1435[12:08:36] * unascribed 's eyes light on fire

L1436[12:08:42] <Pennyw95> that's hardcore

L1437[12:08:52] <diesieben07> god why do scala people dislike "." to call methods -.-

L1438[12:08:57] <Pennyw95> I'm happy when I use getOrElse xD

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L1440[12:09:01] <diesieben07> the fuck is this: https://git.io/vg6Ka

L1441[12:09:09] <PaleoCrafter> sometimes I like dots, diesieben07 :P

L1442[12:09:15] <unascribed> >backwards parameter typing

L1443[12:09:19] <diesieben07> thats just ... ugly

L1444[12:09:26] <Pennyw95> it's prettier

L1445[12:09:51] <diesieben07> and then they dont have something to do this: https://git.io/vg6KH properly

L1446[12:09:53] <unascribed> seriously this code makes me want to stab someone

L1447[12:09:56] <diesieben07> /rant over

L1448[12:10:00] <LatvianModder> doFill: Boolean

L1449[12:10:09] <LatvianModder> there is no boolean vs Boolean in scala?

L1450[12:10:13] <PaleoCrafter> diesieben07, even Kotlin can't do *that*, I think? :P

L1451[12:10:16] <LatvianModder> or Int vs int?

L1452[12:10:20] <PaleoCrafter> there is not, no, LatvianModder :P

L1453[12:10:31] <PaleoCrafter> well, there sort of is

L1454[12:10:33] <diesieben07> PaleoCrafter, implements SomeInterface by <expression>

L1455[12:10:37] <LatvianModder> can you set that boolean to null though?

L1456[12:10:47] <fry> diesieben07: small number of orthogonal features > a grab bag of useful on the surface but arbitrary features

L1457[12:10:51] <Pennyw95> I'd never go back ... see the brevity? https://gist.github.com/DrBenway95/68b38248bbd98946b562

L1458[12:10:57] <diesieben07> again /rant over :D

L1459[12:11:00] <PaleoCrafter> LatvianModder, no

L1460[12:11:06] <diesieben07> i am not doing a scala vs X discussion again

L1461[12:11:11] <fry> if you rant, expect a reply :P

L1462[12:11:15] <PaleoCrafter> how would I refer to the appropriate default value though, diesieben07? :P

L1463[12:11:18] <diesieben07> sure

L1464[12:11:50] <fry> PaleoCrafter: also, (pos add) was deprecated, I think

L1465[12:11:57] <diesieben07> idk paleo, i was just ranting

L1466[12:12:15] <PaleoCrafter> fry, it's behind a lang flag :D

L1467[12:12:16] <PaleoCrafter> scala.language.postfixOps

L1468[12:12:23] <PaleoCrafter> can write pos add _ of course

L1469[12:12:35] * unascribed lights on fire and falls out the window

L1470[12:12:36] <fry> and I don't see you importing that flag :P

L1471[12:12:47] <PaleoCrafter> https://gist.github.com/PaleoCrafter/c67c98ffe36e6f5e73dc#file-tilefountainfluidholder-scala-L4 look closer then :P

L1472[12:13:04] <unascribed> >burying a language-changing flag in the imports

L1473[12:13:18] <PaleoCrafter> it's quick and dirty code :P

L1474[12:13:33] <PaleoCrafter> you can set the flag via compiler options or a local import

L1475[12:13:33] <fry> heh

L1476[12:13:48] <fry> unascribed: it's a warning

L1477[12:13:53] <Pennyw95> PaleoCrafter: I don't get the NBT part

L1478[12:14:05] <PaleoCrafter> how so? :P

L1479[12:14:50] <Pennyw95> you are saving a long array with foreach, right?

L1480[12:15:19] <PaleoCrafter> foreach on an Option is a little special

L1481[12:15:32] <PaleoCrafter> if the option is defined, run the code, otherwise don't

L1482[12:15:36] <diesieben07> its like isPresent

L1483[12:15:42] <diesieben07> which would be a proper name for it :D

L1484[12:15:43] <PaleoCrafter> *ifPresent :P

L1485[12:15:48] <Pennyw95> ah...

L1486[12:16:10] <PaleoCrafter> they could have added another function to Option, yeah, but why if you have Traversable? :P

L1487[12:16:29] <Pennyw95> clarity? lol

L1488[12:16:46] <diesieben07> it's scala hue hue hue

L1489[12:18:08] <Pennyw95> I like it tho

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L1491[12:18:50] <unascribed> >scala

L1492[12:18:52] <unascribed> >clarity

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L1494[12:19:29] <fry> > something unfamilliar

L1495[12:19:31] <fry> > people

L1496[12:19:38] <diesieben07> >>>

L1497[12:19:47] <unascribed> >putting spaces after meme arrows

L1498[12:20:00] <fry> "meme arrows"

L1499[12:20:12] <unascribed> yes, that's what they call greentext now

L1500[12:20:14] <unascribed> keep with the times :P

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L1502[12:21:44] <fry> unascribed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Quoted_line_prefix

L1503[12:22:03] <unascribed> I am aware

L1504[12:22:35] <unascribed> I used to always yell at people for calling arrow quotes "greentext" or "meme arrows" but I realized it's futile rather quickly

L1505[12:23:23] <fry> and yet you're doing it in the other direction now :P

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L1507[12:23:34] <unascribed> there's a word for this phenomenon

L1508[12:23:37] <unascribed> I forget what it's called

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L1512[12:31:12] <Mowmaster> Tis a lex...

L1513[12:34:00] <[NK]Ghost> shhh

L1514[12:34:12] <Mowmaster> Oh...

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L1520[12:45:11] <MattDahEpic> so i have the output of an EntityLivingBase.serializeNBT and i cant figure out how to get back into EntityLivngBase form

L1521[12:46:10] <diesieben07> EntityList.createEntityFromNBT

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L1524[12:50:19] <gigaherz|bday> hmm where does mc/forge create the Block instances thesedays?

L1525[12:50:30] <gigaherz|bday> I wanted to see waht properties an iron block has

L1526[12:50:39] <gigaherz|bday> (or a diamond block)

L1527[12:50:48] <diesieben07> Item class

L1528[12:50:52] <gigaherz|bday> (properties I mean like hardness)

L1529[12:51:04] <gigaherz|bday> o_O

L1530[12:51:55] <gigaherz|bday> ah foundit

L1531[12:52:00] <gigaherz|bday> at the bottom of Block

L1532[12:52:23] <diesieben07> god why did i say Item -.- :D

L1533[12:53:01] <PaleoCrafter> you're getting old

L1534[12:53:57] <diesieben07> shuu

L1535[12:54:03] <diesieben07> just hungry

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L1541[13:09:36] <gigaherz|bday> hmmm is there anything in mc/forge for declaring the recipes and such for a new ore?

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L1546[13:12:25] <riderj> For putting into a furnace?

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L1548[13:16:02] <gigaherz|bday> riderj: well these are gemstone ores, so the furnace is the least of my concerns ;P

L1549[13:17:44] <riderj> Oh

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L1553[13:24:49] <AquaXV> That took more effort than it could have xD

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L1556[13:25:38] <AquaXV> *sigh*

L1557[13:25:42] <AquaXV> Ok, finaly.

L1558[13:26:31] <AquaXV> So, I had a question about Gui´s; When I try to open a Gui the cursor remains invisible.

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L1560[13:28:09] <AquaXV> What can I do to fix that? I tried to this.mc.setIngameNotInFocus(), this.mc.mouseHelper.ungrabMouseCursor().

L1561[13:28:41] <AquaXV> I even looked at the source of GuiIngameMenu, but I just can´t figure it out.

L1562[13:30:51] <unascribed> you're displaying the GUI using Minecraft.displayScreen, right?

L1563[13:31:03] <MattDahEpic> i cant figure out why my mobderpearl destroys mobs but doesnt keep their data to put them back down with: https://github.com/MattDahEpic/RingkyDinks/blob/1.8.9/src/main/java/com/mattdahepic/ringkydinks/dink/DinkAbilities.java#L59

L1564[13:31:26] <AquaXV> Minecraft.getMinecraft().displayerGuiScreen(new instance());

L1565[13:31:34] <unascribed> yeah, that sounds right then

L1566[13:31:38] <AquaXV> instance being the class extending GuiScreen

L1567[13:31:46] <unascribed> gist your guiscreen?

L1568[13:32:06] <AquaXV> The one extending GuiScreen I assume?

L1569[13:32:09] <unascribed> yes

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L1571[13:32:53] <AquaXV> https://gist.github.com/AquaXV/d03c0c8554e39f5dc313

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L1573[13:33:47] <unascribed> this looks right for the most part

L1574[13:33:56] <unascribed> gist the code that displays it

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L1576[13:34:33] <AquaXV> https://gist.github.com/AquaXV/6b401de1c52bac8f4a91

L1577[13:34:39] <AquaXV> The GUI displays fine

L1578[13:34:42] <AquaXV> and it functions correctly

L1579[13:34:47] <AquaXV> only the cursor remains invisible

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L1581[13:35:09] <AquaXV> When I move the mouse out of the minecraft window, the cursor returns, and works in the minecraft window again

L1582[13:35:22] <diesieben07> that GlobalVars class looks horrible

L1583[13:35:23] <unascribed> so it's not grabbed, it's just invisible?

L1584[13:35:25] <unascribed> OS?

L1585[13:35:28] <AquaXV> Win

L1586[13:35:29] <AquaXV> 7

L1587[13:35:36] <AquaXV> It is dies

L1588[13:35:46] <AquaXV> But the west way to handle my needs.

L1589[13:35:47] <unascribed> so obscure glitchy OSes aren't the problem then

L1590[13:35:48] <unascribed> weird.

L1591[13:35:51] <diesieben07> nope its not

L1592[13:35:52] <diesieben07> :D

L1593[13:35:59] <unascribed> yeah, global vars are never the way you should do anything

L1594[13:36:11] <unascribed> but the point here is why your GUI is broken, not why your programming style is awful

L1595[13:36:21] <AquaXV> sshhh

L1596[13:36:30] <diesieben07> sorry i cant resist :p

L1597[13:36:35] <AquaXV> Its not for public release, and first mod ever.

L1598[13:36:43] <AquaXV> So I dont bother for now.

L1599[13:37:04] <unascribed> but yeah I honestly have no idea, and I've spent a lot of time in the GUI code

L1600[13:37:35] <unascribed> never seen an invisible cursor bug before.

L1601[13:37:51] <diesieben07> show your GUI class

L1602[13:38:13] <unascribed> misc stuff in your gui class though

L1603[13:38:21] <unascribed> 1. calling setIngameFocus when doing displayScreen(null) is redundant

L1604[13:38:27] <unascribed> 2. buttonList.clear in initGui is redundant

L1605[13:38:30] <AquaXV> Was testing

L1606[13:38:42] <AquaXV> Like I said, first mod ever, not for public release

L1607[13:38:46] <diesieben07> oh its already there

L1608[13:38:51] <unascribed> initGui is called by setWorldAndResolution, and it clears the buttonList for you

L1609[13:39:00] <diesieben07> no tis not...

L1610[13:39:07] <diesieben07> god i am blind

L1611[13:39:08] <unascribed> from memory

L1612[13:39:10] <unascribed> probably slightly wrong

L1613[13:39:37] <AquaXV> probably, followed some youtube vid on Gui to get started with them

L1614[13:39:40] <unascribed> https://gist.github.com/AquaXV/d03c0c8554e39f5dc313

L1615[13:39:44] <unascribed> ^ the gui, diesieben07

L1616[13:39:51] <diesieben07> yeah i found it... :D

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L1621[13:42:25] <AquaXV> I suppose I am out of luck then?

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L1625[13:52:32] <MattDahEpic> i cant figure out why my mobderpearl destroys mobs but doesnt keep their data to put them back down with: https://github.com/MattDahEpic/RingkyDinks/blob/1.8.9/src/main/java/com/mattdahepic/ringkydinks/dink/DinkAbilities.java#L59

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L1629[13:54:59] <yurikoster1> hey guys sorry if this is a stupid question but how do i find the forge documentation for the 1.8.9 version? the wiki says i need to click the JavaDoc link, but i can�t seem to find it. Am i being blind?

L1630[13:55:24] <MattDahEpic> mcforge.readthedocs.org

L1631[13:55:45] <PaleoCrafter> and javadocs you can read in code

L1632[13:56:29] <yurikoster1> MattDahEpic: thanks

L1633[13:58:32] <diesieben07> MattDahEpic, it doesnt spawn the entity again or the nbt data is gone?

L1634[13:59:15] <MattDahEpic> diesieben07, the nbt data just doesnt show up

L1635[13:59:27] <AquaXV> Did you try to spawn the mob back in?

L1636[13:59:36] <MattDahEpic> AquaXV, yes

L1637[14:00:04] <shadekiller666> fry, someone commented on my PR for the OBJ Loader updates about the OBJ Loader disregarding any other translations/rotations (ie. EnumFacing rotations, etc.) that may be contained in the IBS passed into handleBlockState() if OBJProperty is present, and this is something i've noticed but hadn't confirmed. I've had times when I would have to pass the TRSRTransformation for an EnumFacing to the constructor of

L1638[14:00:04] <shadekiller666> OBJState in order for it to be applied, and I'm wondering if you know how I can fix it

L1639[14:00:21] <shadekiller666> the B3DLoader doesn't seem to have this problem, but I can't confirm that

L1640[14:00:23] <PaleoCrafter> how bad of an idea is it to allow locally in- or decreasing the tick rate? xD

L1641[14:00:39] <AquaXV> End of the universe bad, Paleo :p

L1642[14:00:53] <diesieben07> yeah no idea matt

L1643[14:01:08] <williewillus> PaleoCrafter: tickrate as in game ticks? :P

L1644[14:01:12] <PaleoCrafter> yes

L1645[14:01:19] <AquaXV> Does the client (like vanilla server) require an inventory update to show the changes?

L1646[14:01:35] <williewillus> AquaXV: theoretically...no but I've always had to do player.openContainer.detecthAndSendChanges

L1647[14:01:39] <williewillus> which drives diesieben07 nuts

L1648[14:01:39] <MattDahEpic> i set it to dirty

L1649[14:01:41] <williewillus> :D

L1650[14:01:56] <williewillus> PaleoCrafter: i don't see why not tbh :P

L1651[14:02:03] <williewillus> its only limited by hardware

L1652[14:02:05] <AquaXV> Dirty only marks the chunk you are in to be saved to disk

L1653[14:02:09] <AquaXV> according to javadocs

L1654[14:02:14] <diesieben07> for TEs

L1655[14:02:15] <williewillus> no inventories can be markDirtied as well

L1656[14:02:16] <williewillus> same name

L1657[14:02:49] <AquaXV> ah yes

L1658[14:02:50] <diesieben07> InventoryPlayer.markDirty does jack shit btw

L1659[14:02:51] <AquaXV> I see.

L1660[14:02:56] <PaleoCrafter> williewillus, yeah, but maybe there are some weird quirks that would render it infeasible :P

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L1662[14:04:38] <AquaXV> Matt, you could try to do some debugging as in output stack data before and after the NBT modifications, to see where the issue is.

L1663[14:05:03] <AquaXV> If that remains the same, its the NBT acting up, otherwise might be inventory update (?)

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L1665[14:06:47] <PaleoCrafter> now I have to think about implementing this, lol

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L1668[14:08:44] <williewillus> PaleoCrafter: grab the world object and just call runTick() on it right ;p

L1669[14:09:00] <williewillus> then watch as recursion burns everything

L1670[14:09:05] <PaleoCrafter> lol

L1671[14:09:36] <PaleoCrafter> I also need to be able to slow down the tick rate, you know :P

L1672[14:10:09] <PaleoCrafter> and it has to be local (i.e. only within X blocks of a player)

L1673[14:10:48] <diesieben07> yeah that screams mayhem

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L1676[14:11:34] <PaleoCrafter> that's what I get for writing a mod based on novels xD

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L1683[14:17:30] <Ivorius> PaleoCrafter, why don't you write a mod with / about novels

L1684[14:17:35] <Ivorius> I could use that functionality :P

L1685[14:17:48] <PaleoCrafter> wat

L1686[14:18:19] <Ivorius> Randomly generated lore, man

L1687[14:18:21] <Ivorius> That's the shit

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L1691[14:29:24] <riderj> If I were to use LivingDeathEvent to increase an NBTTag on an item in the users inventory, how would I access the player in the event?

L1692[14:30:06] <diesieben07> event.entity

L1693[14:31:55] <riderj> Wouldn't that get the entity that died? I plan to increase a charge on an item when they kill a living entity.

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L1696[14:33:20] <PaleoCrafter> riderj, check if(event.source instanceof EntityDamageSource) and then get the entity from that

L1697[14:33:40] <riderj> Ah, ok. Thanks

L1698[14:33:43] <VapourDrive> has anyone actually had luck with the semi-new "no need for deobf jars" feature in dev environments?

L1699[14:33:43] <VapourDrive> over half of the mods I've tried don't load

L1700[14:33:58] <Pennyw95> I've been getting this crash all day...does someone have clue about what's happening? :( http://pastebin.com/PWqwDtEr

L1701[14:35:53] <diesieben07> well, shoulda said you want the player who killed, not the one who diesd :P

L1702[14:38:40] <riderj> :p

L1703[14:40:40] <smbarbour> Pennyw95: That crash seems to indicate that there's a block with a metadata value of -1

L1704[14:41:04] <Pennyw95> hmm

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L1706[14:43:13] <smbarbour> Since it seems to be on server startup, my guess is that it's somewhere around spawn

L1707[14:43:54] <smbarbour> Might need to check the NBT data for the world to find it. (Good luck with finding that needle...)

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L1714[14:52:24] <gigaherz|bday> and... the time has come

L1715[14:52:28] <gigaherz|bday> I need to learn oregen

L1716[14:52:28] <gigaherz|bday> XD

L1717[14:52:40] <diesieben07> its not hard :P

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L1719[14:54:16] <gigaherz|bday> hmm

L1720[14:54:29] <gigaherz|bday> google directed me to a reddit post with this link: https://github.com/TehNut/BaseMod/blob/master/src/main/java/main/basemod/util/GenerationHandler.java

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L1722[14:54:45] <TehNut> i suggest not using that

L1723[14:54:58] <gigaherz|bday> heh

L1724[14:55:02] <TehNut> it works. somehow.

L1725[14:55:08] <gigaherz|bday> lol

L1726[14:55:09] <TehNut> But yeah...

L1727[14:55:45] <gigaherz|bday> http://www.minecraftforge.net/wiki/Tutorials/Ore_Generation#TutorialGenerator.java

L1728[14:55:48] <gigaherz|bday> doesn't look different from this one

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L1736[15:00:53] <Thutmose> cpw: any word on the villager registry?

L1737[15:02:21] <riderj> Should I register my LivingDeathEvent on the server and client or just server/client? To me it sounds mostly like a server event.

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L1741[15:05:12] <gigaherz|bday> riderj: the question is where you want to detect those

L1742[15:05:24] <gigaherz|bday> chances are you want the logic to run on the server

L1743[15:05:31] <gigaherz|bday> but

L1744[15:05:43] <gigaherz|bday> for that you just do "if (world.isRemote) return;"

L1745[15:05:52] <riderj> It returns two results, and the other is null. The first is EntityPlayerMP so I'm guessing server.

L1746[15:05:54] <gigaherz|bday> you probably want the event handling tohappen also in singleplayer

L1747[15:06:28] <gigaherz|bday> if you are new to modding oyu may want to give this a read: http://mcforge.readthedocs.org/en/latest/concepts/sides/

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L1749[15:06:41] <riderj> I am, and thank you.

L1750[15:06:52] <gigaherz|bday> (it took me like a year of modding before I realized what the "sides" really mean)

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L1754[15:09:34] <riderj> https://gyazo.com/56af2da1b699e1b0093210fcaed4d7cb how do I interpret this? When I limit it to the server, it doesn't print anything so I assume it doesn't run on the server?

L1755[15:10:21] <diesieben07> uhhmmm

L1756[15:10:27] <diesieben07> Minecraft#theWorld is ALWAYS client

L1757[15:10:34] <diesieben07> since that is, well, the client's world

L1758[15:10:59] <riderj> I see, how can I check sides without a world?

L1759[15:11:23] <diesieben07> you don't.

L1760[15:11:30] <diesieben07> the event gives you the entity, which has a world

L1761[15:11:46] <gigaherz|bday> everything is tied to a word, unless it's client-side processing stuff

L1762[15:11:57] <riderj> I see

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L1765[15:13:27] <gigaherz|bday> \o/ worked

L1766[15:13:41] <gigaherz|bday> now I have no idea how MUCH of it is being generated

L1767[15:13:41] <gigaherz|bday> XD

L1768[15:15:51] <Wuppy> it's your birthday gigaherz|bday?

L1769[15:15:55] <gigaherz|bday> yep

L1770[15:16:02] <Wuppy> congrats man!

L1771[15:16:06] <Wuppy> happy bday :)

L1772[15:16:07] <gigaherz|bday> thx

L1773[15:16:10] <gigaherz|bday> s^5 ;P

L1774[15:16:13] <gigaherz|bday> 2^5 ;P

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L1777[15:16:39] <Wuppy> 2^5?

L1778[15:16:43] <gigaherz|bday> my age ;P

L1779[15:16:58] <PaleoCrafter> tsk, it's like you're crying for attention :P

L1780[15:17:17] <fry|sleep> so, 7 years old? :P

L1781[15:17:20] <gigaherz|bday> hey it's not every day that one gets to be a power of two years old

L1782[15:17:23] * fry|sleep runs away

L1783[15:17:26] <gigaherz|bday> fry|sleep: lol

L1784[15:17:47] <gigaherz|bday> 1<<5 for you ;P

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L1786[15:27:15] <thecodewarrior> What I think would be awesome is if you could set up an IDE to set a boolean field to true whenever a class is hot-swapped, that way you could re-run the function once and set it to false.

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L1789[15:28:40] <riderj> Why does this keep returning null inventory values/what's the difference between getEnityt and getSourceOfDamage? https://gyazo.com/05918c64e496584f59474e3c189bc06d

L1790[15:28:53] <gigaherz|bday> hmf

L1791[15:29:04] <gigaherz|bday> what is the best way to make a recipe output depend on one of the input items?

L1792[15:29:16] <gigaherz|bday> for stuff like compatibility with JEI/NEI/TMI recipe browsers

L1793[15:29:25] <riderj> Well figured out the second half, getSourceOfDamage is just a reference to getEntity

L1794[15:29:34] <gigaherz|bday> I'd do a custom IRecipe, but I believe there's a better method XD

L1795[15:30:13] <diesieben07> riderj, getEntity is the actual entity (e.g. arrow). getSourceOfDamage is the one who caused the damage (e.g. the arrow shooter)

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L1797[15:30:26] <diesieben07> and what the heck is that entity ID stuff?

L1798[15:30:40] <riderj> I was just fooling around trying to see if it made a difference

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L1803[15:39:40] <riderj> Why does DamageSource return null when trying to get the source?

L1804[15:40:15] <diesieben07> by "the source" you mean the enitty that caused it?

L1805[15:40:19] <Pennyw95> Do you think the cause of this crash should be a wrong world.setBlockState()? http://pastebin.com/PWqwDtEr

L1806[15:40:54] <diesieben07> looks like a corrupt TileEntity data in the world save

L1807[15:41:15] <Pennyw95> oh

L1808[15:41:40] <riderj> Yeah, when I call entity.source.getDamageSource() it returns two, one EntityPlayerMP and null.

L1809[15:41:43] <Pennyw95> the kind of stuff you should delete your world to solve?

L1810[15:41:57] <diesieben07> yes penny

L1811[15:42:02] <diesieben07> riderj, it returns two?!

L1812[15:42:04] <Pennyw95> ok

L1813[15:42:07] <diesieben07> a method cannot return two things

L1814[15:42:23] <riderj> I assume it's returning one from the server and one from the client.j

L1815[15:42:31] <diesieben07> ah

L1816[15:42:38] <diesieben07> yes the cleint doesn't know abotu the source entity

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L1818[15:43:07] <riderj> I check to see if it's server by checking if the source != null, but I still can't get the players inventory :/

L1819[15:43:24] <diesieben07> thats not how you check for serverside

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L1821[15:43:34] <diesieben07> check using world.isRemote, that is false on the server.

L1822[15:44:18] <riderj> I would, but I can't get the worldObj from the entity because it tries to get the worldObj from the client as well so it errors

L1823[15:44:38] <diesieben07> whut.

L1824[15:44:41] <diesieben07> event.entity.worldObj

L1825[15:45:16] <riderj> Jeez, didn't see that when I was looking through it. I was getting the world from the entity that is returned from getDamageSource()

L1826[15:45:45] <Pennyw95> diesieben07: those corrupt data, is there a common cause for them?

L1827[15:45:52] <diesieben07> not that i know of

L1828[15:47:01] <Pennyw95> so I was just unlucky? or is my code falwed?

L1829[15:47:01] <riderj> Cool, that's all fixed up. Still saying the inventory ItemStack's are null.

L1830[15:47:32] <diesieben07> unless you are screwing with the chunk data i wouldn't say it's your fault

L1831[15:47:38] <diesieben07> unless you don't shut the server down properly

L1832[15:47:46] <diesieben07> show your code rider

L1833[15:48:08] <Pennyw95> ok :)

L1834[15:48:17] <Pennyw95> and no I'm not

L1835[15:48:34] <shadekiller666> happy bday gigaherz|bday

L1836[15:48:37] <riderj> http://pastebin.com/btRrErvu

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L1838[15:49:26] <gigaherz|bday> thx

L1839[15:49:31] <diesieben07> getInventory() is pretty useless, since it's return value depends on the type of entity

L1840[15:49:41] <diesieben07> for players it's just the armor inventory slots

L1841[15:49:48] <diesieben07> you want EntityPlayer#inventory

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L1843[15:51:26] <riderj> Should I just cast EntityPlayer to entity?

L1844[15:51:38] <diesieben07> the other way arund

L1845[15:51:44] <diesieben07> but you need to check fi its actually a player

L1846[15:52:57] <riderj> How would I do that? Check if they are in the player list?

L1847[15:53:05] <diesieben07> instanceof operatr

L1848[15:53:14] <riderj> Alright

L1849[15:53:52] <riderj> EntityPlayer p = (EntityPlayer)event.source.getSourceOfDamage that's correct, yes?

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L1851[15:55:11] <diesieben07> after an instanceof check, yes.

L1852[15:55:49] <riderj> Cool, thanks for the help.

L1853[15:57:50] <riderj> Still looking like it returns the armor slots, http://pastebin.com/bVc8mLWJ

L1854[15:58:25] <riderj> Nevermind

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L1857[16:09:47] <PaleoCrafter> meh, why must EntityVillager.villagerObj be package-local while EntityIronGolem.villageObj is not ._.

L1858[16:10:37] <diesieben07> its also package local in EntityIronGolem for me

L1859[16:10:53] <PaleoCrafter> oh, yeah, but it has a getter xD

L1860[16:11:18] <diesieben07> ah

L1861[16:11:31] <diesieben07> probably just optimized away by their obfuscator/optimizer

L1862[16:12:04] <PaleoCrafter> probably, still meh :P

L1863[16:12:32] <diesieben07> inaccessible fields are the smallest problems in modding really :D

L1864[16:12:55] <PaleoCrafter> they're still annoying :P

L1865[16:13:59] * diesieben07 hits head against desk

L1866[16:14:00] <diesieben07> http://www.minecraftforge.net/forum/index.php/topic,36685.0.html

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L1868[16:17:31] <PaleoCrafter> not sure if he's from Turkey or he's actually a humanoid turkey xD

L1869[16:17:55] <Thutmose> seems more like the latter to me, and a domestic one at that.

L1870[16:18:02] <diesieben07> lol

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L1877[16:44:31] <Cypher121> are sided proxies only injected in @Mod classes or in other classes too?

L1878[16:45:01] <PaleoCrafter> other classes as well

L1879[16:45:57] <diesieben07> uhm what?

L1880[16:45:59] <diesieben07> not they are not

L1881[16:46:04] <PaleoCrafter> works for me :P

L1882[16:46:08] <diesieben07> really??

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L1885[16:46:41] <PaleoCrafter> have I ever lied to you? :P

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L1887[16:47:13] <diesieben07> no :P

L1888[16:47:21] <diesieben07> i am just expressing my surprise

L1889[16:47:43] <Cypher121> anyway, this code is getting shittier every minute

L1890[16:47:44] <PaleoCrafter> what if I told you that I just lied to you?

L1891[16:48:00] <diesieben07> go away with your paradoxes

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L1895[16:53:06] <MalkContent> that's no paradox, that's a question :|

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L1897[16:54:15] * diesieben07 flails arms

L1898[16:54:16] <diesieben07> shuuu

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L1900[16:55:15] <MalkContent> also a totally valid one :D like movie villian stuff

L1901[16:55:39] <MalkContent> blablabla mysterious statement. ... what if i told you i just lied to you?

L1902[16:56:51] <Cypher121> I think I'm going to pretend integrated servers with remote players don't exist

L1903[16:56:58] <diesieben07> please dont

L1904[16:57:07] <Cypher121> this is just awful

L1905[16:58:10] <diesieben07> why?

L1906[16:58:12] <Cypher121> if I have 2 sets of mappings for client and server, I have to somehow guess if user wants to access the ones for integrated server or for client

L1907[16:58:19] <diesieben07> what do you mean by mappings?

L1908[16:58:27] <Cypher121> research maps

L1909[16:58:42] <diesieben07> are they per player?

L1910[16:58:45] <Cypher121> no

L1911[16:58:56] <diesieben07> per world?

L1912[16:59:03] <Cypher121> per server

L1913[16:59:13] <diesieben07> so even if you change worlds they persist?

L1914[16:59:14] <Cypher121> like config

L1915[16:59:17] <Cypher121> yes

L1916[16:59:33] <Cypher121> but when you join server, server sends you its maps

L1917[16:59:42] <Cypher121> and you use them until you leave

L1918[16:59:44] <diesieben07> have two sets, one for client one for server

L1919[16:59:46] <diesieben07> even in SP

L1920[16:59:49] <Cypher121> yes

L1921[16:59:55] <diesieben07> i dont see your problem

L1922[16:59:57] <Cypher121> now here's the question

L1923[17:00:34] <Cypher121> actually no, I can't formulate it properly

L1924[17:00:41] <williewillus> :P

L1925[17:01:13] <Cypher121> but problem is that I always have to choose one of 2 maps, and I'm not exactly sure what to use

L1926[17:01:20] <gigaherz|bday> uh

L1927[17:01:26] <diesieben07> on the cleint, use the cleint one

L1928[17:01:29] <diesieben07> on the server, use the server one

L1929[17:01:35] <Cypher121> but client is also a server

L1930[17:01:38] <gigaherz|bday> yes

L1931[17:01:39] <diesieben07> no its not.

L1932[17:01:39] <Cypher121> and is also a squid

L1933[17:01:43] <diesieben07> (i need to put in an autocorrect for cleint)

L1934[17:01:51] <gigaherz|bday> Cypher121: when you are in LAN mode

L1935[17:02:13] <gigaherz|bday> whoever started the game IS the server, but the remote players are exactly as if they were on a server

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L1937[17:02:17] <diesieben07> you still have server & client in LAN

L1938[17:02:22] <diesieben07> even in SP

L1939[17:02:22] <gigaherz|bday> so if oyu have a "map" per save

L1940[17:02:25] <Cypher121> yes, of course

L1941[17:02:33] <gigaherz|bday> then it wouldn't be different

L1942[17:02:37] <Cypher121> I had other solution, but it was broken for remote LAN players

L1943[17:02:41] <gigaherz|bday> the map would be directly linked to the server world

L1944[17:02:45] <Cypher121> now I use 2 maps

L1945[17:02:46] <gigaherz|bday> even for clients

L1946[17:03:06] <Cypher121> alright, let me give an example

L1947[17:03:09] <gigaherz|bday> just load the map from the server thread(wherever it may be)

L1948[17:03:15] <Cypher121> single-player (integrated):

L1949[17:03:15] <gigaherz|bday> and transfer it to all the clients (including singleplayer)

L1950[17:03:27] <Cypher121> ffs, stop

L1951[17:03:38] <Cypher121> so here's the problem

L1952[17:04:07] <Cypher121> if there's an integrated server and user wants to add a map, which side should it be added on?

L1953[17:04:21] <gigaherz|bday> what is "a map"?

L1954[17:04:47] <gigaherz|bday> if it's something that's managed server-side and the client just draws it

L1955[17:05:13] <gigaherz|bday> then it would make sense for it to always be done on the server thread

L1956[17:05:16] <gigaherz|bday> be it remote or local

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L1958[17:07:01] <gigaherz|bday> in that case, you could make no difference between SP or MP, you'd simply use packets to send the data to the clients, even in singleplayer

L1959[17:07:04] <Cypher121> yeah, it can be solved apparently

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L1961[17:08:27] <Cypher121> basically a map is a graph of unlock nodes

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L1963[17:08:37] <gigaherz|bday> so it's not actually a map

L1964[17:08:48] <gigaherz|bday> I mean, a piece of paper with stuff drawn on it

L1965[17:08:48] <gigaherz|bday> XD

L1966[17:08:53] <Cypher121> no, lol

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L1968[17:08:59] <gigaherz|bday> ok so

L1969[17:09:15] <Cypher121> they should only be managed by servers, I guess

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L1971[17:09:19] <gigaherz|bday> but wait

L1972[17:09:20] <gigaherz|bday> unlock?

L1973[17:09:25] <Cypher121> research

L1974[17:09:26] <PaleoCrafter> that'd be a drawing, gigaherz|bday :P

L1975[17:09:27] <Cypher121> unlock

L1976[17:09:35] <gigaherz|bday> is this something that would be player-bound?

L1977[17:09:36] <Cypher121> whatever you want to call it

L1978[17:09:56] <Cypher121> definition vs. state

L1979[17:10:05] <gigaherz|bday> I mean

L1980[17:10:06] <Cypher121> definition is same for all players on server

L1981[17:10:09] <Cypher121> states vary

L1982[17:10:12] <gigaherz|bday> aha

L1983[17:10:25] <gigaherz|bday> so the actual "unlock trees" are managed server-wide

L1984[17:10:30] <Cypher121> yes

L1985[17:10:35] <gigaherz|bday> like the HQM book would

L1986[17:10:40] <Cypher121> exactly

L1987[17:10:58] <Cypher121> but then I send them to all clients in form of a giant pile of NBT

L1988[17:11:04] <gigaherz|bday> yeah that'd bebest as a server-side feature

L1989[17:11:11] <Cypher121> yes

L1990[17:11:17] <gigaherz|bday> yeh dump it into the clients on login and problem solved

L1991[17:11:17] <gigaherz|bday> ;p

L1992[17:11:45] <Cypher121> the problem I have is that on integrated servers I have to choose if I want to access server or client maps

L1993[17:11:55] <gigaherz|bday> there should be no "client map"

L1994[17:12:02] <gigaherz|bday> the server thread would still manage it

L1995[17:12:06] <diesieben07> sure there should...

L1996[17:12:07] <gigaherz|bday> and it would still send a packet to the client

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L1998[17:12:19] <diesieben07> on integrated servers its the same as eveywhere else

L1999[17:12:23] <diesieben07> serverside: use server map

L2000[17:12:26] <diesieben07> cleintsie: use client map

L2001[17:12:32] <diesieben07> its not hard...

L2002[17:12:46] <gigaherz|bday> basically IMO, the server shoudl be the one to manage saving the data

L2003[17:12:52] <unascribed> yeah, the best way to deal with the integrated server is to not deal with the integrated server

L2004[17:12:54] <gigaherz|bday> the client should just simply keep it in memory for the duration of the session

L2005[17:12:56] <diesieben07> yes but the client still ahs to hold onto it somehow

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L2007[17:13:00] <gigaherz|bday> sure

L2008[17:13:04] <gigaherz|bday> but that's like

L2009[17:13:05] <unascribed> treat a singleplayer session exactly like a multiplayer session

L2010[17:13:06] <diesieben07> thats what he means i assume

L2011[17:13:14] <diesieben07> yes what unascribed said.

L2012[17:13:20] <gigaherz|bday> in the integrated server

L2013[17:13:25] <gigaherz|bday> there would simply be two instances of it

L2014[17:13:28] <gigaherz|bday> I'd have something like

L2015[17:13:34] <gigaherz|bday> a WorldSavedData instance for the server

L2016[17:13:40] <Cypher121> alright, alright

L2017[17:13:40] <diesieben07> well, he said its not tied to the world

L2018[17:13:46] <gigaherz|bday> and a "temporary" ClientData for keeping the data in-memory

L2019[17:13:49] <diesieben07> more like config

L2020[17:13:50] <Cypher121> now let me explain the fucking problem

L2021[17:14:13] <Cypher121> let's imagine that there are several maps defined

L2022[17:14:28] <gigaherz|bday> sure

L2023[17:14:34] <Cypher121> and someone tries to access one of them on client/integrated server

L2024[17:14:42] <diesieben07> stop right there

L2025[17:14:47] <diesieben07> client and integrated server are NOT the same.

L2026[17:14:58] <Cypher121> they are same process

L2027[17:15:01] <diesieben07> yes

L2028[17:15:03] <unascribed> meaningless

L2029[17:15:07] <diesieben07> ^

L2030[17:15:10] <unascribed> the client and server are separate entities

L2031[17:15:14] <diesieben07> you are throwing logical side and physical side into the same bin

L2032[17:15:14] <unascribed> even if they share a process space

L2033[17:15:19] <unascribed> if you are throwing objects over that boundary

L2034[17:15:20] <Cypher121> omg

L2035[17:15:21] <unascribed> your code is broken.

L2036[17:15:41] <Cypher121> I'M FUCKING TRYING NOT TO CAN YOU JUST ALL FUCKING LISTEN?

L2037[17:15:43] <unascribed> you are not describing a problem, you are describing an error in your design

L2038[17:15:51] <diesieben07> we are listening

L2039[17:15:57] <diesieben07> no need to scream

L2040[17:16:06] <Cypher121> alright

L2041[17:16:33] <Cypher121> maps aren't bound to world or to player

L2042[17:16:36] <VikeStep> man, looking up stuff for ASP.NET 5 is so frustrating :/ because all that comes up is MVC 5 which is actually ASP.NET 4

L2043[17:16:42] <Cypher121> so they are just static

L2044[17:16:46] <gigaherz|bday> okay

L2045[17:16:51] <diesieben07> you need two fields then

L2046[17:16:53] <VikeStep> happy birthday gigaherz|bday

L2047[17:16:55] <diesieben07> client & server.

L2048[17:17:00] <Cypher121> yeah, that's what I have

L2049[17:17:03] <gigaherz|bday> it still applies though: whoever runs the server thread controls the maps

L2050[17:17:10] <Cypher121> of course

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L2052[17:17:14] <diesieben07> ok now describe your issue.

L2053[17:17:14] <gigaherz|bday> the client still asks the server for them, and then there's no problem tobe had

L2054[17:17:17] <Cypher121> but now I want to access them

L2055[17:17:27] <Cypher121> and I'm physically on a client

L2056[17:17:31] <unascribed> so, if you have a map, let's say map 0

L2057[17:17:35] <unascribed> and your client wants to look at map 0

L2058[17:17:38] <unascribed> it sends a packet asking for map 0

L2059[17:17:39] <Cypher121> yes

L2060[17:17:40] <gigaherz|bday> doesn't matter, you can still send a packet to the server thread

L2061[17:17:41] <diesieben07> where you are PHYSCIALLY is irellevant

L2062[17:17:42] <gigaherz|bday> and wait for a reply

L2063[17:17:44] <unascribed> server sends back a packet with the contents of map 0

L2064[17:17:46] <diesieben07> it matters where you are LOGICALLY

L2065[17:17:50] <unascribed> the client loads from the packet

L2066[17:17:54] <diesieben07> server -> ResearchMaps.server

L2067[17:17:58] <diesieben07> client -> researchmaps.client

L2068[17:18:00] <unascribed> there is no magic object passing over the boundary

L2069[17:18:20] <diesieben07> (and client means NOT integrated server, integrated server = server)

L2070[17:18:40] <unascribed> yes, client is effectively the render thread

L2071[17:18:42] <PaleoCrafter> unascribed, afaik, sending a packet to the integrated server is just that :P

L2072[17:18:47] <unascribed> and server is the (potentially remote) server thread

L2073[17:18:56] <Cypher121> alright, there will be 4 points, please let me state all 4

L2074[17:18:57] <PaleoCrafter> (magically passing the object over the border)

L2075[17:18:58] <unascribed> PaleoCrafter, in that case the magic object passing is abstracted and simply an optimization

L2076[17:19:03] <PaleoCrafter> yeah :D

L2077[17:19:10] <gigaherz|bday> we really shoudl rename those to "UI" side and "Logic" side

L2078[17:19:11] <gigaherz|bday> ;P

L2079[17:19:13] <Cypher121> 1) I have clientMaps and serverMaps as static lists

L2080[17:19:45] <gigaherz|bday> yep

L2081[17:19:57] <Cypher121> 2) accessor for them should be same, API user should NOT specify which ones he wants.

L2082[17:20:14] <gigaherz|bday> wat

L2083[17:20:21] <diesieben07> that is wrong

L2084[17:20:25] <diesieben07> they need to

L2085[17:20:25] <gigaherz|bday> that is broken

L2086[17:20:30] <gigaherz|bday> there's TWO kinds of api users

L2087[17:20:32] <gigaherz|bday> the "client" users

L2088[17:20:35] <gigaherz|bday> and the "server" users

L2089[17:20:38] <gigaherz|bday> they should be separate APIs

L2090[17:20:47] <diesieben07> not necessarily that

L2091[17:20:48] <Cypher121> so dump deciding which side is checked on user?

L2092[17:20:49] <gigaherz|bday> regardless on if they run dedicated or integrated

L2093[17:20:56] <diesieben07> but at least a method that takes a Side argument

L2094[17:21:06] <gigaherz|bday> Cypher121: depends on context, not user

L2095[17:21:09] <diesieben07> yes the api user must know what he is doing

L2096[17:21:15] <gigaherz|bday> if you want the data for rendering purposes, you do it from the client thread

L2097[17:21:19] <gigaherz|bday> and you use the ClientMaps

L2098[17:21:36] <gigaherz|bday> ifyou want the data for unlocking things, then you do it from the server thread, and you use the ServerMaps

L2099[17:21:38] <diesieben07> there is no way to magically knwo the side without context

L2100[17:21:45] <diesieben07> there is getEffectiveSide but do not use it

L2101[17:22:04] <diesieben07> you at least need a World object so you can check isRemote

L2102[17:22:10] <PaleoCrafter> this would be a lot easier if you used WorldSavedData (which can work per save, not actual dimensions) :P

L2103[17:22:20] <gigaherz|bday> the whole point of Mojang isolating the gameplay logic into an integrated server

L2104[17:22:24] <gigaherz|bday> was that the code was clearly separate

L2105[17:22:40] <gigaherz|bday> the situation where "client code runs gameplay logic" was removed from the equation

L2106[17:23:09] <gigaherz|bday> you are trying to blur a line Mojang took a lot of effort to draw ;P

L2107[17:23:45] <gigaherz|bday> so yes, you should have separate "access paths" for User Interface data access

L2108[17:23:50] <gigaherz|bday> and Gameplay data access

L2109[17:23:55] <Cypher121> what I basically want is to allow user to call Skills.mapExists("name") and get correct result for current maps

L2110[17:24:12] <diesieben07> that is impossible

L2111[17:24:15] <unascribed> ultimately you should have some class, say SkillsCollection

L2112[17:24:17] <diesieben07> the user needs to tell you the side

L2113[17:24:18] <Cypher121> no matter if he's on server and working with his own maps, be it dedicated or integrated

L2114[17:24:21] <unascribed> which provides a common API for this

L2115[17:24:28] <unascribed> then have SkillsClient.getMap().contains("name")

L2116[17:24:32] <unascribed> and one for SkillsServer

L2117[17:24:38] <diesieben07> yeah or that

L2118[17:24:46] <unascribed> then you still have a common API handle you can pass to common code

L2119[17:24:47] <gigaherz|bday> yep our strongest suggestion is that you have two access points for it

L2120[17:24:50] <Cypher121> fuck

L2121[17:24:52] <gigaherz|bday> depending on which side you call it from

L2122[17:25:10] <gigaherz|bday> in fact, it may be good to have an assertion in your code, if it gets called from the wrong thread

L2123[17:25:15] <Cypher121> I spent a week simplifying it as much as possible for users

L2124[17:25:17] <diesieben07> how you thought this was only a problem in LAN i do not know :P

L2125[17:25:30] <diesieben07> this is a problem everywhere

L2126[17:25:42] <gigaherz|bday> diesieben07: it's the problem if having a shared instance of the @Mod and static fields

L2127[17:25:53] <diesieben07> but he already said he as TWO fields

L2128[17:25:54] <gigaherz|bday> people are allowed to forget there's separate threads running separate logic

L2129[17:25:59] <diesieben07> no they are not :P

L2130[17:26:20] <Cypher121> I didn't think it was a LAN problem. original solution involved disabling sync for LAN server and just using 1 field

L2131[17:26:27] <diesieben07> oh

L2132[17:26:30] <diesieben07> yeah dont do that

L2133[17:26:32] <gigaherz|bday> they shouldn't, but if they do forget, thigns just act funny

L2134[17:26:40] <Cypher121> THAT was LAN problem, but also a pretty easy solution

L2135[17:26:40] <gigaherz|bday> they don't crash in a clear way

L2136[17:26:57] <diesieben07> i mean you CAN use one field and just sync everywhere if you REALLY wnat to

L2137[17:27:07] <diesieben07> BUT: you have t make your data structure threadsafe

L2138[17:27:15] <diesieben07> and REALLY knwo what you are doing in that regard

L2139[17:28:02] <Cypher121> I think what I want is a way to check if player that connected to a server is a player from same process

L2140[17:28:14] <diesieben07> no

L2141[17:28:20] <diesieben07> you really do not wnat to go this route :P

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L2144[17:28:21] <gigaherz|bday> you can check if the server is ... no it's just ugly don't do that

L2145[17:28:30] <diesieben07> because this than drips through to the users of your API

L2146[17:28:45] <diesieben07> because they need to then deal with a threadsafe data struture as well

L2147[17:28:47] <gigaherz|bday> just... keep separate maps, have a ServerMapStorage, and a ClientMapCache

L2148[17:28:52] <gigaherz|bday> and send any data on-demand

L2149[17:29:00] <diesieben07> overall just dont

L2150[17:29:06] <unascribed> it's a lot better to split the API for client/server than to have weird behaviors when on LAN or remote

L2151[17:29:24] <unascribed> that's how the game works, that's how Forge works

L2152[17:29:37] <unascribed> FMLServerHandler, FMLClientHandler, MinecraftForgeClient, Minecraft, MinecraftServer...

L2153[17:29:55] <diesieben07> FMLXXXHandler is actually physical side though

L2154[17:29:56] <unascribed> attempting to abstract something that is not abstracted anywhere else is just Wrong™

L2155[17:30:24] <gigaherz|bday> if you want to give a "dump" access place, make those two classes implement an interface

L2156[17:30:27] <gigaherz|bday> and then have a method somewhere

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L2158[17:30:35] <Cypher121> unascribed: then you must hate java that runs on virtual machine, which abstraction from OS and architecture

L2159[17:30:44] <unascribed> that's not a split

L2160[17:30:49] <unascribed> that is what abstraction is intended for

L2161[17:30:54] <gigaherz|bday> MapManager.getMapAccess(world.isRemote)

L2162[17:30:56] <unascribed> abstracting (non-split!) underlying details

L2163[17:31:00] <unascribed> you cannot abstract a split

L2164[17:31:15] <gigaherz|bday> if isRemote is true, you return ClientMapCache.instance, if it's false, you return ServerMapStorage.instance

L2165[17:31:21] <PaleoCrafter> just accept the world :P

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L2167[17:31:33] <gigaherz|bday> that's the best we can offer

L2168[17:31:33] <PaleoCrafter> then there's zero room for confusion on the user side

L2169[17:32:23] <diesieben07> there will always be the guy who just passes in Minecraft.getMinecraft().theWorld

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L2171[17:32:30] <diesieben07> so i would not say zero :P

L2172[17:32:37] <gigaherz|bday> yeah

L2173[17:32:39] <PaleoCrafter> that's not confusion, that is stupidity :P

L2174[17:32:45] <unascribed> but at least that will just crash on the server side

L2175[17:32:52] <unascribed> instead of having confusing subtle behavior

L2176[17:32:54] <gigaherz|bday> but then again, the same guy probably would use ServerMapStorage.instance in the client

L2177[17:32:56] <gigaherz|bday> so /shrug

L2178[17:33:29] <gigaherz|bday> at least that way

L2179[17:33:37] <gigaherz|bday> you can have an assertion testing if it's the right thread

L2180[17:33:41] <gigaherz|bday> and slap the user

L2181[17:34:15] <diesieben07> merp

L2182[17:34:17] <gigaherz|bday> make the exception crash with "http://mcforge.readthedocs.org/en/latest/concepts/sides/"

L2183[17:34:30] <diesieben07> haha

L2184[17:35:07] <Cypher121> I just hate this

L2185[17:35:16] <unascribed> you're making this more complicated than it is.

L2186[17:35:38] <Cypher121> from the start I made everything to keep everything inside

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L2189[17:36:36] <Cypher121> just let user register a map with some nodes, then access it and set states for players

L2190[17:36:49] <PaleoCrafter> burger, if you want to talk, don't use webchat :P

L2191[17:37:08] <diesieben07> thats all fine cypher. you just need a world argument to the access methods.

L2192[17:37:13] <Cypher121> no need or even a way to access underlying IEEP, messages, anything

L2193[17:37:15] <gigaherz|bday> Cypher121: interface IMapAccess{} /// class MapManager{ public static IMapAccess getMapAccess(boolean worldIsRemote); } /// user of the class doesn't needto know if it's server or client map returned

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L2195[17:37:33] <Cypher121> but client needs a world then

L2196[17:37:42] <Cypher121> example:

L2197[17:37:43] <diesieben07> tehre is always a world

L2198[17:37:44] <unascribed> yes, and 99% of the time they will have a world handle anyway

L2199[17:37:46] <gigaherz|bday> of course?

L2200[17:37:55] <unascribed> and if they don't, they know which side they're on and how to get a world handle

L2201[17:37:56] <Cypher121> there's a mod called mod1 that adds a research map

L2202[17:38:00] <gigaherz|bday> if you want to write a special UI that is accessed from the main menu

L2203[17:38:06] <gigaherz|bday> then you use ClientMap.instance directly

L2204[17:38:15] <gigaherz|bday> instead of going through the World object

L2205[17:38:34] <gigaherz|bday> since a Gui class knows it must be on the client

L2206[17:38:37] <gigaherz|bday> that's perfectly fine

L2207[17:38:53] <gigaherz|bday> and the IEEP code still doesn't need to care

L2208[17:39:10] <gigaherz|bday> IEEPs can just do MapManager.getMapAccess(entity.worldObj);

L2209[17:39:12] <Cypher121> then a mod2 wants to get that map during postInit and replace it with its own

L2210[17:39:35] <gigaherz|bday> ideally

L2211[17:39:39] <gigaherz|bday> those maps would be server maps

L2212[17:39:44] <diesieben07> no

L2213[17:39:48] <diesieben07> actually

L2214[17:39:50] <gigaherz|bday> the client maps would only exist while the user is logged in

L2215[17:39:50] <diesieben07> yeah

L2216[17:39:53] <tterrag> gigaherz|bday: http://puu.sh/n4ygC.jpg

L2217[17:39:53] <diesieben07> yeah that.

L2218[17:40:00] <gigaherz|bday> into a world

L2219[17:40:00] <tterrag> two different texture types layered :)

L2220[17:40:04] <gigaherz|bday> and they'd get wiped on disconnect

L2221[17:40:05] <tterrag> also, happy birthday :D

L2222[17:40:11] <gigaherz|bday> (or lazily)

L2223[17:40:17] <gigaherz|bday> tterrag: thx

L2224[17:40:18] <diesieben07> i'll just shut up and let the birthday man talk

L2225[17:40:29] <PaleoCrafter> actually, Cypher121, are those maps only the "definitions" as you called them earlier?

L2226[17:40:30] <tterrag> O_O

L2227[17:40:30] <gigaherz|bday> tterrag: and nice ;P

L2228[17:40:34] <unascribed> :confetti_ball:

L2229[17:40:36] <Cypher121> yes

L2230[17:40:45] <Cypher121> states of these maps are obvious as fuck

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L2232[17:40:57] <PaleoCrafter> those states are stored in IEEP?

L2233[17:40:59] <mrburgerUS> Hello everyone!

L2234[17:41:08] <Cypher121> they're bound to a player, so there are at least 2 ways to check if it's a server or client side

L2235[17:41:24] * thecodewarrior welcomes the new guy

L2236[17:41:38] <PaleoCrafter> then I don't see a reason to sync the definitions whatsoever, if it's a simple API registry sort of thing

L2237[17:41:46] <mrburgerUS> Yeah Im new

L2238[17:41:56] <gigaherz|bday> hello mrburgerUS

L2239[17:42:09] <Cypher121> it's a registry and interface for that registry

L2240[17:42:12] <PaleoCrafter> as mods would ideally register their own stuff in the lifecycle events on both physical sides

L2241[17:42:16] <gigaherz|bday> sorry, we have a restriction that people who don't bother to change their ident string, can't speak

L2242[17:42:17] <gigaherz|bday> ;P

L2243[17:42:27] <Cypher121> are lifecycles fired in both threads?

L2244[17:42:33] <gigaherz|bday> no

L2245[17:42:37] <gigaherz|bday> @Mod only exists once

L2246[17:42:59] <PaleoCrafter> you're having a situation similar to blocks or items though

L2247[17:43:05] <gigaherz|bday> but that doesn't mean you can't initialize two separate classes from them

L2248[17:43:23] <PaleoCrafter> the game doesn't sync anything regarding those either (apart from the IDs maybe)

L2249[17:43:41] <diesieben07> the lifecycel events fire before there even are two threads

L2250[17:44:31] <Cypher121> so I guess I'll limit all writing/re-writing to init events

L2251[17:44:54] <Cypher121> and that makes everyone's life easier

L2252[17:45:17] <Cypher121> btw, how would I check for that? :D

L2253[17:45:45] <PaleoCrafter> Loader.instance().isInState(LoaderState.XYZ)

L2254[17:45:52] <gigaherz|bday> iirc there's a way to ask fml for the current phase

L2255[17:46:07] <Cypher121> thx

L2256[17:46:10] <diesieben07> in this case LoaderState.AVAILABLE

L2257[17:46:27] <Cypher121> I'll get back to it later, can't think straight now

L2258[17:46:56] <tterrag> gigaherz|bday: now I need to figure out how to rotate UVs with this system .-.

L2259[17:47:00] <tterrag> before I was letting vanilla handle it

L2260[17:47:11] <gigaherz|bday> heh

L2261[17:47:44] <gigaherz|bday> I never felt the need to rotate uvs

L2262[17:47:45] <gigaherz|bday> XD

L2263[17:47:49] <tterrag> new BlockFaceUV(uvs, rotation)

L2264[17:47:52] <tterrag> that's all it took .-.

L2265[17:48:01] <tterrag> gigaherz|bday: tell that to pillars

L2266[17:48:03] <PaleoCrafter> fry dun gud job

L2267[17:48:15] <gigaherz|bday> and logs?

L2268[17:48:16] <tterrag> (that's a vanilla class)

L2269[17:48:22] <gigaherz|bday> I guess I never made pillars nor logs

L2270[17:48:23] <gigaherz|bday> XD

L2271[17:48:39] <gigaherz|bday> hmm oh I see

L2272[17:48:43] <gigaherz|bday> I just don't rotate UVs

L2273[17:48:50] <gigaherz|bday> I rotate the actual models in the blockstate file

L2274[17:49:03] <tterrag> yeah...I suppose we could actually do that now huh

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L2276[17:49:07] <gigaherz|bday> { "model": "blah", "y":90 }

L2277[17:49:09] <tterrag> actually...not sure this system will like rotated UVs

L2278[17:49:19] * tterrag goes to try

L2279[17:49:48] <RANKSHANK> Murphy's gonna get you tterrag

L2280[17:50:17] <tterrag> gigaherz|bday: the problem with that is pillars don't use a state for their rotation

L2281[17:50:20] <tterrag> it's contextual

L2282[17:50:28] <tterrag> it could be done in getActualState I suppose

L2283[17:50:48] <gigaherz|bday> ah

L2284[17:50:49] <gigaherz|bday> yeah

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L2286[17:51:02] <gigaherz|bday> anything contextual fits in getActualState

L2287[17:51:12] <gigaherz|bday> including stairs

L2288[17:51:13] <gigaherz|bday> ;P

L2289[17:51:22] <gigaherz|bday> (and fences)

L2290[17:52:22] <tterrag> mhm...that might be the better option

L2291[17:52:28] <tterrag> but I Need to see if rotated UVs actually works in our system

L2292[17:53:40] <gigaherz|bday> hmmm

L2293[17:53:41] <shadekiller666> darn fry is gone :(

L2294[17:53:50] <gigaherz|bday> depending on how you did it, it will look funny

L2295[17:53:51] <gigaherz|bday> ;p

L2296[17:53:55] <shadekiller666> got an issue with the obj loader i'm not sure how to fix

L2297[17:54:08] <tterrag> I'm not sure how to test this though...since I just load the model manually there are no blockstate TRSRs applied

L2298[17:54:19] <tterrag> I guess I could just create my own TRSR and apply it

L2299[17:54:37] <shadekiller666> tterrag, ya, TRSRs are pretty easy to make now

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L2301[17:54:55] <tterrag> how do I apply it to a model though?

L2302[17:54:55] <shadekiller666> the constructors should take any input you want to make a TRSR for

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L2304[17:55:15] <shadekiller666> TRSRTransformation.apply(IModelPart) i think

L2305[17:56:07] <tterrag> the heck is an IModelPart

L2306[17:56:09] <shadekiller666> basically you use the TRSR to do matrix math with the vertex position vectors

L2307[17:57:23] <riderj> Best part is when he says "here it is [/img]" and what you said XD

L2308[17:57:42] <riderj> Oops, my chat wasn't scrolled all the way haha.

L2309[17:57:42] <tterrag> shadekiller666: how do I get an IModelPart

L2310[17:57:55] <shadekiller666> tterrag, this is how the obj loader applies TRSRs: https://github.com/shadekiller666/MinecraftForge/blob/OBJ_Loader/src/main/java/net/minecraftforge/client/model/obj/OBJModel.java#L956-L1021

L2311[17:58:02] <diesieben07> still got it riderj :P

L2312[17:58:17] <shadekiller666> prob don't need an IModelPart

L2313[17:58:17] <riderj> Cool cool, lost my shit when I read that.

L2314[17:58:36] <tterrag> but that's how you .apply

L2315[17:58:38] <diesieben07> genious like him always show up, cant do aythig about it

L2316[17:58:42] <tterrag> ...

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L2318[18:00:33] <shadekiller666> tterrag, m = transform.getMatrix(); for (each vertex) {Vector4f pos = vertex.pos; m.transform(pos, newPos);}

L2319[18:00:46] <tterrag> and I get vertices how? working with an IModel here...

L2320[18:01:08] <shadekiller666> do you not have vertex position vectors

L2321[18:01:57] <tterrag> IModel model = event.modelLoader.getModel(BASE_MODEL_LOC);

L2322[18:02:01] <tterrag> that's all I have.

L2323[18:02:14] <shadekiller666> ahh

L2324[18:02:17] <shadekiller666> :/

L2325[18:02:24] <shadekiller666> hmmm

L2326[18:03:01] <diesieben07> cant you wrap that in a new IModel that just inserts your TRSR when bake is called?

L2327[18:03:10] <diesieben07> as in calling bake on the original model with your TRSR

L2328[18:03:24] <shadekiller666> the only other place you can "give" the IModel a TRSR is via IModel.bake()

L2329[18:03:38] <shadekiller666> without having direct access to the vertex position vectors

L2330[18:03:58] <shadekiller666> what diesieben07 said might work

L2331[18:04:08] <shadekiller666> but could potentially break things

L2332[18:04:08] <tterrag> diesieben07: no easy way to do that?

L2333[18:04:18] <diesieben07> ?

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L2335[18:05:28] <tterrag> ohh

L2336[18:05:33] <tterrag> model.getDefaultState().apply()

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L2338[18:05:59] <thecodewarrior> what method dictates suffocation? I can't remember and there are like a dozen different ones with almost synonymous names.

L2339[18:05:59] <diesieben07> not sure what that would achieve

L2340[18:06:03] <tterrag> no

L2341[18:06:05] <tterrag> I read it wrong

L2342[18:06:07] <tterrag> I'm lost

L2343[18:06:11] <diesieben07> make new IModel

L2344[18:06:11] <tterrag> why is this system just a series of dead ends

L2345[18:06:14] <diesieben07> forwrd everything

L2346[18:06:22] <diesieben07> except in bake use your TRSR as the state

L2347[18:06:28] <tterrag> why do I have to create a freaking wrapper to apply a transformation

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L2350[18:06:48] <tterrag> wait

L2351[18:06:54] <tterrag> why didn't you just say TRSR implements IModelState

L2352[18:06:56] <tterrag> ._.

L2353[18:06:57] <diesieben07> because models are immutable

L2354[18:06:59] <diesieben07> oh

L2355[18:07:00] <diesieben07> lol

L2356[18:07:07] <diesieben07> thecodewarrior, isVisuallyOpaque

L2357[18:07:23] <thecodewarrior> Ok. that's strange. :P

L2358[18:07:27] <thecodewarrior> Thanks.

L2359[18:07:43] <diesieben07> i thought you knew tterrag :P

L2360[18:07:46] <tterrag> http://puu.sh/n4Ae2.jpg

L2361[18:07:48] <tterrag> as I figured

L2362[18:07:50] <tterrag> doesn't work

L2363[18:08:17] <diesieben07> ok what excatly do you want?

L2364[18:08:26] <tterrag> dunno

L2365[18:08:29] <diesieben07> lol

L2366[18:08:34] <tterrag> to fix that I guess

L2367[18:08:37] <tterrag> but I have no idea how I would

L2368[18:08:40] <diesieben07> search your feelings

L2369[18:08:54] <diesieben07> what is "that"? :D

L2370[18:08:56] <diesieben07> that screenshot?

L2371[18:08:58] <tterrag> yes

L2372[18:09:00] <tterrag> they should connect

L2373[18:09:24] <diesieben07> are those stairs?

L2374[18:09:24] <tterrag> like they do when the model is not rotated http://puu.sh/n4Amf.jpg

L2375[18:09:24] <Ivorius> They already do

L2376[18:09:30] <Ivorius> On an emotional level

L2377[18:09:34] <Ivorius> You just don't get it

L2378[18:09:38] <tterrag> diesieben07: in this case yet, but it can be any model

L2379[18:09:44] <tterrag> stairs are just a test

L2380[18:09:49] <diesieben07> hrmmm

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L2383[18:09:59] <Ivorius> Man, when was the last time I was helpful in here

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L2385[18:10:04] <diesieben07> that sounds like a bug if the texture are not rotated properly

L2386[18:10:05] <Ivorius> Must have been a few months

L2387[18:10:08] <Ivorius> That's so freeing

L2388[18:10:12] <diesieben07> but i dont knwo the model system well enoguh

L2389[18:10:35] <shadekiller666> tterrag, are those custom stairs?

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L2391[18:10:47] <tterrag> no

L2392[18:10:51] <shadekiller666> ok

L2393[18:10:53] <tterrag> it's just my ctm code applied to the stairs model

L2394[18:11:00] <shadekiller666> ahh

L2395[18:11:19] <PaleoCrafter> Ivorius, all your contributions are invaluable :P

L2396[18:11:20] <shadekiller666> and you're trying to rotate the uvs with the rest of the model?

L2397[18:11:28] <tterrag> the UVs are rotated

L2398[18:11:33] <gigaherz|bday> hmm wait

L2399[18:11:38] <Ivorius> Quit projecting your problems on me PaleoCrafter

L2400[18:11:38] <gigaherz|bday> if the model is physically rotated

L2401[18:11:56] <gigaherz|bday> (so the UVs are not in the "default" orientation

L2402[18:11:58] <tterrag> but the CTM system doesn't know that so it says "hey you're connected left and right", then because the UVs are rotated 90 degrees it's wrong

L2403[18:12:08] <PaleoCrafter> I just complimented you D:

L2404[18:12:15] <gigaherz|bday> hmm then either it wouldn't make sense to connect them

L2405[18:12:24] <gigaherz|bday> or it would only make sense to connect with other blocks with the same orientation

L2406[18:12:27] <tterrag> why not :/

L2407[18:12:43] <gigaherz|bday> I mean if they woudl be actually rotated in the world

L2408[18:12:46] <tterrag> think about 3 stairs, in an L shape

L2409[18:12:50] <tterrag> the bottom sshould connect

L2410[18:13:02] <tterrag> but if the model is rotated, they won't

L2411[18:13:05] <Ivorius> Eh

L2412[18:13:16] <Ivorius> That was totally a higher matter statement

L2413[18:13:21] <Ivorius> I didn't just misread

L2414[18:13:40] <shadekiller666> ahh so the problem is the CTM system assumes that the uvs will be in X order, but when the game performs the rotation for EnumFacing, that assumption ends up rotating

L2415[18:13:41] <shadekiller666> hmm

L2416[18:14:03] <shadekiller666> question: does the game's EnumFacing rotation happen before or after your ctm code takes over?

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L2419[18:17:13] <tterrag> it's done on baked models

L2420[18:17:15] <tterrag> so I assume before

L2421[18:17:31] <tterrag> unless it's rotated after handleBlockState

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L2423[18:24:17] <shadekiller666> EnumFacing is applied in handleBlockState, but thats because it either returns a new instance of IBakedModel, or pulls one out of a cache

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L2425[18:25:05] <tterrag> shadekiller666: what?

L2426[18:25:19] <tterrag> I'm not applying any rotations in my code

L2427[18:26:34] <shadekiller666> the game *should* rotate the model in handleBlockState

L2428[18:27:24] <tterrag> sure

L2429[18:27:25] <tterrag> but where?

L2430[18:28:16] <shadekiller666> going off that assumption, and the fact that your ctm code works on IBMs, the rotation from an EnumFacing should have been applied before your ctm code operates on it

L2431[18:28:20] <tterrag> https://github.com/Chisel-Team/Chisel/blob/1.8/model-ctm/src/main/java/team/chisel/client/render/ModelChiselBlock.java#L107-L138

L2432[18:28:23] <tterrag> tell me where you see any rotations

L2433[18:29:58] <shadekiller666> i'm not saying YOU are rotating it

L2434[18:30:32] <tterrag> seems to me that the TRSR is applied at baking

L2435[18:30:33] <tterrag> no?

L2436[18:30:38] <shadekiller666> it is

L2437[18:30:44] <tterrag> ok

L2438[18:30:48] <tterrag> so that'd definitely BEFORE my code

L2439[18:30:53] <tterrag> so there is a bug

L2440[18:32:06] <tterrag> I'd assume in here https://github.com/Chisel-Team/Chisel/blob/1.8/model-ctm/src/main/java/team/chisel/client/render/Quad.java#L197-L255

L2441[18:32:07] <shadekiller666> the standard way that the game does it is by passing an EnumFacing into handleBlockState(), which then checks a cache for a model with the passed in state, if one exists, it passes it back, if one doesn't exist, it instantiates a new one and passes the IBS into the IBM constructor

L2442[18:32:32] <shadekiller666> which would store the state and apply the rotation later

L2443[18:36:56] <shadekiller666> IModel.bake() is only called once i believe, but that usually just returns a new instance of IBM

L2444[18:37:42] <shadekiller666> so if the rotation happens before your ctm code gets a hold of it, you might be able to figure out how much things have rotated

L2445[18:38:09] <shadekiller666> that would require an un-rotated version to compare to though

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L2447[18:41:46] <shadekiller666> tterrag, does your ctm code "reset" the uv shell? ie. does it always start from the same base uv layout/order?

L2448[18:42:01] <tterrag> not sure what you mean

L2449[18:43:46] <shadekiller666> does your ctm code modify the uvs of the model that it recieves, or does it apply its own set of uvs that don't have anything to do with the uvs that the model already contained

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L2451[18:50:44] <tterrag> shadekiller666: it should modify

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L2453[18:51:57] <shadekiller666> then i would think that, if it modifies correctly, this problem wouldn't happen

L2454[18:52:08] <shadekiller666> do the textures on those stairs rotate at all?

L2455[18:52:22] <shadekiller666> or do they always get applied in that configuration?

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L2461[19:06:07] <tterrag> shadekiller666: again, not sure what you're asking

L2462[19:06:10] <tterrag> CTM doesn't rotate anything, no

L2463[19:06:20] <tterrag> it applies from a map of subtextures

L2464[19:06:38] <tterrag> read javadoc https://github.com/Chisel-Team/Chisel/blob/1.8/model-ctm/src/main/java/team/chisel/client/render/ctm/CTM.java

L2465[19:06:58] <shadekiller666> if the stairs are placed facing a different direction than in that screenshot you posted, do the textures on the bottom rotate with them?

L2466[19:07:09] <shadekiller666> i'm not asking about whats rotating them

L2467[19:07:54] <shadekiller666> i'm asking if they rotate with the block, and just happen to not be oriented correctly relative to the block, or if they stay in the same orientation regardless of the facing direction of the block

L2468[19:11:18] <tterrag> there is no block rotation yet

L2469[19:11:21] <tterrag> it's JUST a model

L2470[19:12:59] <tterrag> to rotate it I just do this

L2471[19:13:12] <tterrag> baseModel = model.bake(new TRSRTransformation(ModelRotation.X0_Y90), Attributes.DEFAULT_BAKED_FORMAT, r -> Minecraft.getMinecraft().getTextureMapBlocks().getAtlasSprite(r.toString()));

L2472[19:13:43] <tterrag> shadekiller666: and then it's broken

L2473[19:13:48] <shadekiller666> hmm

L2474[19:14:07] <shadekiller666> i think ModelRotation.X0_Y90 is the problem

L2475[19:14:17] <shadekiller666> or rather, always using that, would be the problem

L2476[19:21:40] <tterrag> ...

L2477[19:21:44] <tterrag> but that's the whole point

L2478[19:21:48] <tterrag> I'm trying to test rotated models

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L2481[19:32:12] <tterrag> shadekiller666: ?

L2482[19:33:22] <shadekiller666> :/

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L2485[19:33:38] <shadekiller666> in the screenshot you posted

L2486[19:33:43] <shadekiller666> with the purple stairs

L2487[19:33:50] <shadekiller666> what direction are the stairs facing

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L2489[19:37:07] <tterrag> shadekiller666: no idea

L2490[19:37:19] <tterrag> 90 degrees rotated from the original model

L2491[19:37:23] <shadekiller666> ok

L2492[19:38:16] <shadekiller666> if they face 180 degrees from the original, do the textures on the bottom still "point" in the same direction as they do when the stairs are at 90 degrees

L2493[19:38:37] <tterrag> probably not

L2494[19:38:39] <tterrag> let me test

L2495[19:38:40] <tterrag> in a few mins

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L2500[19:52:17] <tterrag> shadekiller666: as expected http://puu.sh/n4Gmx.jpg

L2501[19:52:26] <tterrag> everything is backwards

L2502[19:52:50] <shadekiller666> so the textures do rotate with the stairs

L2503[19:52:51] <shadekiller666> ok

L2504[19:52:58] <shadekiller666> thats what i've been trying to get at :P

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L2506[19:53:09] <tterrag> yeah

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L2508[19:53:16] <tterrag> CTM can't really allow that....for obvious reasons

L2509[19:53:17] <shadekiller666> also, stairs don't cull face

L2510[19:53:22] <tterrag> I know

L2511[19:53:24] <tterrag> it's a bug that I know how to fix

L2512[19:53:26] <tterrag> just haven't

L2513[19:54:55] <shadekiller666> so you need to figure out what uv index order to use depending on the way that the texture needs to "point"

L2514[19:55:22] <tterrag> I guess

L2515[19:55:25] <tterrag> not sure what that means exactly:P

L2516[19:55:25] <shadekiller666> (you can rotate a texture by shifting the uv indices up or down, so long as they remain in the same order)

L2517[19:56:27] <shadekiller666> so if uv[0], uv[1], uv[2], uv[3] is the order, and you want to rotate the texture 90 degrees, you'd do uv[1], uv[2], uv[3], uv[0]

L2518[19:57:20] <tterrag> yeah

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L2523[20:07:47] <gigaherz|bday> what do you ppl think would be the best way to allow my items to have replaceable gemstones?

L2524[20:07:56] <gigaherz|bday> my top choices are

L2525[20:08:18] <gigaherz|bday> either a recipe, or some random key that opens a gui

L2526[20:08:55] <gigaherz|bday> the third choice would be a "workshop" block that's required to modify the parts

L2527[20:08:57] <gigaherz|bday> but meh

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L2531[20:11:51] <Broad-mobile> Is there still a "src" version of mc forge to download to start a mod?

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L2533[20:12:50] <hasunwoo> How to retrieve world path from serverstartedevent?

L2534[20:13:06] <unascribed> Broad-mobile, it got renamed to the MDK

L2535[20:13:16] <Broad-mobile> Ahh...thanks

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L2543[20:19:59] <HassanS6000> Is there any documentation on using the Forge OBJ Animation (Support)?

L2544[20:20:36] <hasunwoo> Anyone knows how to retrieve savepath from serverstartedevent?

L2545[20:24:05] <gigaherz|bday> HassanS6000: there's no such thing as "obj animation"

L2546[20:24:10] <gigaherz|bday> animations are for .b3d files

L2547[20:24:33] <HassanS6000> gigaherz|bday, is there no way to animate an OBJ model? Especially for an Entity?

L2548[20:24:39] <HassanS6000> gigaherz|bday, happy birthday

L2549[20:24:45] <gigaherz|bday> you'd have to do it manually

L2550[20:24:50] <gigaherz|bday> split the model into the separate pieces

L2551[20:24:55] <gigaherz|bday> and draw each one in its own way

L2552[20:25:08] <gigaherz|bday> ... or you can use the b3d format, and setup the skeleton animations from within blender

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L2554[20:26:25] <HassanS6000> gigaherz|bday, if I use B3D format, I can still bind a texture as I would for an OBJ?

L2555[20:26:46] <gigaherz|bday> I suppose

L2556[20:26:49] <HassanS6000> I guess what I'm really asking is if it's easy to transfer an OBJ to a B3D WITH textures?

L2557[20:27:00] <gigaherz|bday> oh not sure about that

L2558[20:27:04] <gigaherz|bday> never actually used b3d myself

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L2560[20:27:11] <gigaherz|bday> so I don't know the quirks of exporting them

L2561[20:27:20] <HassanS6000> I used it once - but only with a very generic texture.

L2562[20:27:35] <HassanS6000> gigaherz|bday, anyway, if I choose to use B3D, how to animate via Forge

L2563[20:27:42] <gigaherz|bday> no idea ;P

L2564[20:27:58] <HassanS6000> haha, guess I gatta wait for fry to wake up ;_;

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L2566[20:28:03] <williewillus> ask fry and check out the examples

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L2568[20:28:10] <HassanS6000> williewillus, examples? link?

L2569[20:28:22] <williewillus> I'm like the only one who's touched it so far lol and even I don't have a full grasp of how to do it yet

L2570[20:28:26] <williewillus> forge github

L2571[20:28:33] <williewillus> and this thing https://gist.github.com/RainWarrior/964ed4692f4da1fd4964

L2572[20:28:44] <hasunwoo> Is this possible to retrieve save path from serverstartedevent?

L2573[20:28:50] <williewillus> yeah

L2574[20:29:00] <hasunwoo> How?

L2575[20:29:18] <williewillus> iirc if you have a server object you can get the overworld then get its save path

L2576[20:29:27] <williewillus> look around in server/world/savehandler

L2577[20:30:06] <HassanS6000> williewillus, this example is for blockss

L2578[20:30:18] <williewillus> what do you need it for?

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L2580[20:31:44] <HassanS6000> williewillus, entities, and for SPECIFIC times. Technically I need it when the entity is moving veritcally

L2581[20:31:47] <HassanS6000> *vertically

L2582[20:31:53] <williewillus> AnimationModelBase

L2583[20:32:01] <williewillus> in the example mod

L2584[20:32:06] <HassanS6000> So while not moving it's still, when moving animate it

L2585[20:32:10] <HassanS6000> kk

L2586[20:32:22] <gigaherz|bday> williewillus: there was a method to allow items with different NBT to use different models right?

L2587[20:32:40] <williewillus> custom mesh definitions, yeah

L2588[20:32:43] <williewillus> happy bday by the way

L2589[20:32:46] <williewillus> how was your interview

L2590[20:32:56] <gigaherz|bday> disappointing within expectation

L2591[20:33:04] <williewillus> who with?

L2592[20:33:10] <gigaherz|bday> it was a uni department

L2593[20:33:18] <williewillus> ah

L2594[20:33:22] <gigaherz|bday> but spanish research grants are shitty and sparse

L2595[20:33:23] <HassanS6000> williewillus, this? https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/blob/960717eb0c57e56b99f978b843d2ab53e683055d/src/test/java/net/minecraftforge/debug/ModelAnimationDebug.java#L228

L2596[20:33:46] <gigaherz|bday> basically the best I could hope for, would have been a crappy part-time job starting 3 months from now

L2597[20:34:01] <gigaherz|bday> or a phd scholarship starting around september

L2598[20:34:10] <gigaherz|bday> so yeah, still looking for jobs

L2599[20:34:18] <gigaherz|bday> and it's 3am

L2600[20:34:20] <HassanS6000> How the fuck does this work O.o

L2601[20:34:23] <gigaherz|bday> it's not technically my bday anymore

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L2603[20:34:42] <HassanS6000> gigaherz|bday, Nuuu, it's your birthday in spirit. Until you've slept is still your b-day

L2604[20:34:49] <gigaherz> although if I were to count 24h starting from when I was born, there are still some hours left

L2605[20:34:49] <gigaherz> XD

L2606[20:34:50] <williewillus> HassanS6000: models are animated by dynamically rebaking them with TRSRs applied

L2607[20:34:58] <gigaherz> cos I was born around 10:45am

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L2609[20:35:12] <HassanS6000> xD

L2610[20:35:14] <williewillus> you specify the animation in a json in asms/ folder

L2611[20:35:17] <HassanS6000> williewillus, alright

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L2613[20:35:30] <williewillus> whose grammar gist I also linked above

L2614[20:35:43] <gigaherz> okay so custom mesh definitions... I'll take a look

L2615[20:35:52] <williewillus> i think it's easier to understand if you look at the TE version of the animations first

L2616[20:36:03] <HassanS6000> williewillus, this? https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/blob/960717eb0c57e56b99f978b843d2ab53e683055d/src/test/resources/assets/forgedebugmodelanimation/asms/block/engine.json

L2617[20:36:07] <williewillus> yes

L2618[20:36:14] <gigaherz> HassanS6000: areyou doing a mob-like entity?

L2619[20:36:24] <HassanS6000> gigaherz, nuu, it's much more complicated

L2620[20:36:39] <gigaherz> complicated enough to have different parts animating independently?

L2621[20:36:44] <HassanS6000> gigaherz, yus

L2622[20:36:52] <gigaherz> ah then the animation systme may not be fit for you

L2623[20:36:56] <HassanS6000> :/

L2624[20:36:57] <gigaherz> system*

L2625[20:36:57] <williewillus> I'd use layers then

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L2627[20:37:00] <HassanS6000> rip

L2628[20:37:09] <HassanS6000> I need to move four different parts of my model

L2629[20:37:11] <HassanS6000> this vehicle has legs

L2630[20:37:13] <gigaherz> you will probably need to split the IModel into parts

L2631[20:37:14] <HassanS6000> hehe

L2632[20:37:25] <gigaherz> (there's something in forge for it)

L2633[20:37:30] <HassanS6000> that sounds complicated

L2634[20:37:36] <gigaherz> HassanS6000: but they move at unison?

L2635[20:37:38] <williewillus> but the animation api operates on submodels/split imodels

L2636[20:37:42] <williewillus> but idk how exactly it works

L2637[20:37:47] <williewillus> ask fry :P

L2638[20:37:49] <HassanS6000> gigaherz, it's an AT-AT

L2639[20:37:51] <HassanS6000> from Star WARS

L2640[20:37:52] <gigaherz> yeah better ask fry

L2641[20:37:53] <gigaherz> XD

L2642[20:37:55] <HassanS6000> yep

L2643[20:37:56] <williewillus> the botania lexicon is gonna take a while to do

L2644[20:38:05] <gigaherz> well waht I meant was

L2645[20:38:09] <williewillus> I'm gonna wet my feet with the corporea crystal cube first (which is just a cube bobbing up and down)

L2646[20:38:12] <gigaherz> if there's different parts that move independently

L2647[20:38:12] <gigaherz> like

L2648[20:38:16] <gigaherz> the head looking in one direction

L2649[20:38:21] <gigaherz> while the legs do the walking

L2650[20:38:21] <HassanS6000> gigaherz, there's like 25 parts

L2651[20:38:25] <gigaherz> while the arms do something else

L2652[20:38:25] <HassanS6000> legs walking

L2653[20:38:27] <HassanS6000> head moving

L2654[20:38:30] <HassanS6000> turrets moving

L2655[20:38:32] <gigaherz> and they are separate states

L2656[20:38:37] <gigaherz> that can change independently without relation?

L2657[20:38:39] <williewillus> yeah not sure if this is fit for a single model

L2658[20:38:39] <HassanS6000> oh god

L2659[20:38:52] <HassanS6000> well is OBJ so it's technically separated into parts

L2660[20:38:55] <gigaherz> you probably want to have separate actual models

L2661[20:39:02] <HassanS6000> but it's a pain to do it via Java and literally rotate them

L2662[20:39:02] <williewillus> Ask Fry (tm)

L2663[20:39:03] <gigaherz> and draw them manually

L2664[20:39:08] <gigaherz> with rotations and such

L2665[20:39:14] <gigaherz> you can still have an animation loop for the legs

L2666[20:39:20] <HassanS6000> gigaherz, how

L2667[20:39:20] <gigaherz> unless you want the legs to use inverse kinematics

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L2669[20:39:29] <gigaherz> so th at they detect hwere the ground is

L2670[20:39:30] <HassanS6000> gigaherz, I just need legs to look normal xD

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L2672[20:39:51] <gigaherz> but yeah, speka with fry about HOW to do it

L2673[20:39:52] <gigaherz> XD

L2674[20:40:06] <HassanS6000> Alright, will do

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L2676[20:40:35] <williewillus> hopefully we can get to a point where fry isnt our single point of reliance lol

L2677[20:40:47] <williewillus> I'm kinda getting there for the static model system, but not the animation API :P

L2678[20:43:33] <HassanS6000> btw this is what I've got just via OBJ + Java + OpenGL https://gyazo.com/63778136b7d00866e69d0de4fb8a083c

L2679[20:43:43] <mrburgerUS> hey everyone

L2680[20:43:55] <HassanS6000> heya

L2681[20:44:38] <mrburgerUS> Is this a good place to ask a forge question? I know Java and all but Forge is just a doozy

L2682[20:44:44] <gigaherz> HassanS6000: you'd need to do that one leg at a time

L2683[20:44:46] <gigaherz> and in a way that

L2684[20:44:51] <gigaherz> 3 legs are moving backward

L2685[20:44:58] <gigaherz> while one is raised moving forward

L2686[20:45:10] <HassanS6000> gigaherz, I know it's completely wrong, that's why I need to talk to fry, cuz doing it how I am is very complicated

L2687[20:45:17] <gigaherz> so like your cycle would have 75% of the time moving backward

L2688[20:45:23] <HassanS6000> yea

L2689[20:45:26] <gigaherz> then 25% of the time the raise move forward and drop

L2690[20:45:54] <gigaherz> and eahc leg would be 25% of the animation offset from the previous

L2691[20:46:06] <gigaherz> FL, FR, BL, BR

L2692[20:46:15] <williewillus> mrburgerUS: just ask

L2693[20:46:18] <mrburgerUS> alright

L2694[20:46:47] <mrburgerUS> so Im making an addon to Immersive Engineering but Im redoing a huge portion of the weapon items

L2695[20:46:59] <mrburgerUS> But Ive reached a roadblock

L2696[20:47:07] <williewillus> I hope this is 1.8 since IE is on 1.8 now, but anyways what's the block?

L2697[20:47:18] <mrburgerUS> Im still on 1.7

L2698[20:47:23] <mrburgerUS> I need to update

L2699[20:48:05] <mrburgerUS> Okay so is there a way to make onItemRightClick only fire once / make using an item not slow the player down

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L2701[20:49:07] <riderj> Why do professors like to think they are the best? I mean, yeah you know what you are doing in your field, but that doesn't give them the right to disrespect their students -.-

L2702[20:49:26] <mrburgerUS> my AP Comp Sci Teacher was like that rider

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L2704[20:50:14] <riderj> My English Comp professor acts like a child, I didn't watch a video and I needed help so I posted on the forum. He comes in saying "If you actually watched my lecture you would understand".

L2705[20:50:24] <riderj> Like be less childish, and email me your complaints

L2706[20:51:53] <williewillus> ?shrug they're kinda justified to say that, but yeah being less dickish is always nice

L2707[20:52:16] <riderj> I just don't agree that he chewed me out in public, that's all.

L2708[20:54:40] <riderj> On the bright side, finally got my blood crystal to add life essence to it's charge when an animal is killed by the player :D

L2709[20:57:39] <gigaherz> williewillus: hmm the ItemMeshDefinition doesn't know anything about textures right? so I'd have to ensure they are loaded using the stitch event?

L2710[20:58:27] <williewillus> you return a MRL from itemmeshdef, you tell the game you need those MRL's loaded and baked using registerItemVariants

L2711[20:58:47] <williewillus> and the models will stitch the textures as normal

L2712[21:00:18] <gigaherz> ah registerItemVariants

L2713[21:00:19] <gigaherz> gotcha

L2714[21:00:32] <gigaherz> ugh.

L2715[21:00:33] <gigaherz> XD

L2716[21:01:04] <williewillus> the game has no idea what you need baked otherwise :P

L2717[21:01:27] <mrburgerUS> so is there a method to fix player speed when an item is "in use"

L2718[21:01:48] <mrburgerUS> Ive combed the EntityPlayer class and the Item class and couldnt find anything

L2719[21:02:08] <williewillus> what do you mean in use?

L2720[21:02:11] <williewillus> like eating/bow?

L2721[21:02:26] <mrburgerUS> yes thats what I mean

L2722[21:02:57] <williewillus> so you want it to still pull back but not affect the player's speed?

L2723[21:03:16] <williewillus> perhaps you could modify the speed attribute

L2724[21:03:16] <mrburgerUS> its a rifle but I want to make it semi automatic

L2725[21:03:24] <williewillus> but that messes with the fov, so idk

L2726[21:04:02] <mrburgerUS> Mainly Im just trying to get onItemRightClick to fire once

L2727[21:06:04] <gigaherz> in my magic mod, I make use of some reflection-based magic to prevent the item from cancelling the "use" animation when the wands are being charged while casting spells

L2728[21:06:16] <gigaherz> in theory you could use the same to customize it

L2729[21:06:23] <gigaherz> it's not very nice though

L2730[21:06:58] <gigaherz> it worked \o/

L2731[21:07:07] <gigaherz> I'm getting the placeholder texture

L2732[21:07:10] <gigaherz> but the right model

L2733[21:07:11] <gigaherz> XD

L2734[21:07:51] <mrburgerUS> so what if I intercepted the slowdown method and cancelled it? would that be possible

L2735[21:08:44] <SomeGuyInATree> Is there anyway to profile your servers jvm without a desktop enviroment?

L2736[21:09:16] <williewillus> mrburgerUS: uh it already should

L2737[21:09:26] <williewillus> only onItemUseTick should fire more tha once

L2738[21:09:30] <williewillus> make sure you're checking serverside

L2739[21:10:06] <mrburgerUS> alright

L2740[21:10:25] <mrburgerUS> yeah Im checking !world.isRemote

L2741[21:10:30] <williewillus> post code?

L2742[21:10:39] <mrburgerUS> Github acceptable?

L2743[21:10:46] <williewillus> idc :P

L2744[21:11:52] <mrburgerUS> https://github.com/mrburger/ImmersiveArms/blob/master/src/main/java/com/mrburgerus/ImmersiveArms/item/items/ItemSniperRifle.java

L2745[21:13:00] <williewillus> hm

L2746[21:13:14] <williewillus> oh do you override EnumAction anywhere?

L2747[21:13:23] <mrburgerUS> nope

L2748[21:13:27] <williewillus> make sure it hasn't been overriden to EnumAction.BOW or EnumAction.EAT

L2749[21:13:28] <mrburgerUS> should I?

L2750[21:13:34] <williewillus> then that's strange

L2751[21:13:39] <mrburgerUS> My problem right now

L2752[21:13:43] <williewillus> it should only ever play thos eanimations if it's been overriden

L2753[21:13:53] <mrburgerUS> is that you can hold right click it just spsam fires

L2754[21:14:07] <mrburgerUS> I changed the code off the eating animation

L2755[21:17:28] <mrburgerUS> what if I changed it back but made the EnumAction NONE?

L2756[21:18:46] <riderj> What's the easiest way to use github with the mod? I don't really want to copy/paste everything over to a new folder, but it's not allowing me to create a repository in my mods folder :/

L2757[21:19:10] <riderj> (Desktop for windows)

L2758[21:20:01] <williewillus> use the command line version or soething like sourcetree

L2759[21:20:05] <williewillus> github for windows is terrible .-.

L2760[21:20:16] <Kolatra> SourceTree >

L2761[21:20:37] <riderj> I would use the command line, but i've been too lazy to read up on it haha.

L2762[21:22:29] <riderj> Where would the best place to learn git be located? Any suggestions?

L2763[21:22:38] <williewillus> git-scm.org/book

L2764[21:23:08] <riderj> Aight, so I googled and chose the right place haha.

L2765[21:23:35] <williewillus> you really need the first three chapters of that book

L2766[21:23:36] <Thutmose> I use the git thing in eclipse

L2767[21:24:03] <williewillus> yeah but its good to know the command line and how the BTS works

L2768[21:24:16] <Thutmose> ya, that would probably be a good idea

L2769[21:24:16] <riderj> I would like to, but my eclipse decides when it wants to work :/

L2770[21:24:32] <riderj> Lately it's been throwing me into the resource perspective even though it's set to Java by default

L2771[21:24:50] <williewillus> i use gitg on linux or sourcetree on windows

L2772[21:24:56] <williewillus> whe I need a gui/tree

L2773[21:24:59] <williewillus> but otherwise its command line

L2774[21:25:33] <riderj> I've always wanted to learn command line, but it's very intimidating just looking at it. Probably simpler than it looks.

L2775[21:26:12] <riderj> Anyone have a clue why my Documents library keeps replicating -.- https://gyazo.com/5f0b7cd673a2355c3c16582c600f08dc

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L2780[21:41:30] <Kolatra> Why does onBlockBreakEvent not return the event anymore?

L2781[21:42:34] <williewillus> in what class?

L2782[21:42:39] <Kolatra> ForgeHooks

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L2784[21:43:04] <Kolatra> https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/blob/7a0a801740eaf876207f08b5abd43e9a4b56560e/src/main/java/net/minecraftforge/common/ForgeHooks.java#L650

L2785[21:44:35] <williewillus> no idea

L2786[21:44:42] <williewillus> those are kinda semi-internal use though

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L2789[21:53:37] <gigaherz> crafting-grid based gem replacing works :3

L2790[21:53:58] <gigaherz> that took a while to get working XD

L2791[21:54:27] <gigaherz> but now you can craft a basic "wand" item, then craft it together with a "Flawless Agate", to get a "Flawless Agate Wand"

L2792[21:54:48] <gigaherz> I'm thinking of changing the quality names for crafted items

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L2794[21:55:02] <gigaherz> so Flawless <x> becomes "Exceptional <x> Wand"

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L2796[21:57:13] <riderj> I praise the people that first came up with checksum algorithms, or data authentication in general.

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L2798[21:58:49] <gigaherz> there we go, "Superb Amethyst Ring" :3

L2799[21:59:13] <gigaherz> Exceptional Agate Wand

L2800[21:59:23] <gigaherz> Rudimentary Quartz Staff

L2801[22:00:08] <Cypher121> alright, I think I found my solution for server/client maps. since server maps can't be modified after postInit and maps are synchronized between server and client on join, I can read from client maps on physical client whenever they exist and from server otherwise (that's only load and main menu).

L2802[22:03:56] <Cypher121> gigaherz: http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Template:Relic_Weapons_Heading

L2803[22:04:38] <gigaherz> Cypher121: I know enough about the ff14 relic

L2804[22:04:42] <gigaherz> my flatmate plays ff14

L2805[22:04:51] <gigaherz> he's been mentioning/complaining about every single step of the chain

L2806[22:04:57] <gigaherz> XD

L2807[22:05:17] <Cypher121> fucking casual

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L2809[22:06:05] <gigaherz> he's a guild leader, he just doesn't enjoy when things are done through purely random luck

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L2814[22:10:34] <Cypher121> ah, yeah there are 3 stages where you just have to be lucky, I hate those

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L2816[22:11:09] <Cypher121> namely atma, novus and 1st stage of new relic

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L2819[22:15:21] <SomeGuyInATree> McJty: What version was that hotfix in? I'll update to it today

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L2821[22:15:56] <McJty> The latest version 4.22

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L2823[22:26:34] <gigaherz> okay I like how this behaves :3

L2824[22:26:59] <gigaherz> release time!

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L2826[22:35:17] <gigaherz> hmm recipe adding time first...

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L2831[22:49:58] <killjoy> Is there a way to hide a mod from the mod list?

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L2833[22:51:59] <Broad-mobile> Why is the mod annotation saying it's not applicable to type in IDEA

L2834[22:52:26] <killjoy> post code

L2835[22:52:39] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/ElementsOfPower/releases/tag/v0.5.0-alpha

L2836[22:52:44] <gigaherz> if anyone wants to play a bit with it

L2837[22:52:47] <gigaherz> I'm jumping into bed ;P

L2838[22:52:49] <gigaherz> night

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L2840[22:53:21] <ghz|afk> (comments and issues welcome -- will read tomorrow ;P)

L2841[22:54:04] <ghz|afk> (see the description at http://www.curse.com/mc-mods/minecraft/240687-elements-of-power for things that I have planned but are not yet finished)

L2842[22:54:43] <Broad-mobile> Https://goo.gl/f8CghD

L2843[23:01:50] <Broad-mobile> I just ran the setup and idea gradle scripts...did something majorish change in the last few months?

L2844[23:02:18] <killjoy> no

L2845[23:02:20] <killjoy> should still work

L2846[23:02:31] <killjoy> run cleanCache

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L2848[23:04:38] <Broad-mobile> Now rerun the other two?

L2849[23:04:47] <killjoy> yes, but don't run idea

L2850[23:04:52] <killjoy> idea takes care of that for you

L2851[23:05:05] <Broad-mobile> Alright

L2852[23:05:46] <Broad-mobile> Thanks for the help

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L2854[23:12:16] <Broad-mobile> Out of curiosity, does it matter if the gradle scripts are run from a command line or the ide?

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L2856[23:22:29] <Sollux-Captor> would it be bad to nest all item classes in one item initialization class?

L2857[23:22:54] <killjoy> Is there a way to hide a mod from the mod list?

L2858[23:23:08] <Sollux-Captor> or should item classes be seperate individual files?

L2859[23:24:29] <killjoy> I would do it 1-1

L2860[23:24:33] <killjoy> one class per file

L2861[23:25:25] <Sollux-Captor> ok, i just thought it might have been more convienient to nest all items in one class

L2862[23:26:55] <Sollux-Captor> like is there an up to having it 1-1?

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L2864[23:27:34] <Sollux-Captor> well, i should rephrase that, is it better to have it 1-1 and why?

L2865[23:30:04] <Sollux-Captor> and i guess a better question is is there a reason as to why not to nest classes?

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L2867[23:33:48] <killjoy> Sollux-Captor, organization

L2868[23:34:07] <Sollux-Captor> for wich method? 1-1 or nested?

L2869[23:34:17] <killjoy> 1-1

L2870[23:34:38] <Cypher121> Broad-mobile: I don't know about eclipse, but IDEA seems to be extremely slow when running gradle tasks. and by default it runs out of memory

L2871[23:35:06] <Sollux-Captor> well is that the only reason?

L2872[23:35:52] <killjoy> Program like the person who takes over the project is angry and knows your home address

L2873[23:35:56] <Cypher121> Sollux-Captor: you can put your whole mod in 1 file, so organization is always the only reason

L2874[23:36:14] <Sollux-Captor> well duh but this is only for items

L2875[23:36:15] <killjoy> also 1 line

L2876[23:36:23] <killjoy> or without indentation

L2877[23:36:31] <Cypher121> killjoy: that person would be myself

L2878[23:36:37] <killjoy> are you angry?

L2879[23:36:43] <Cypher121> always

L2880[23:37:01] <Cypher121> http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2016/01/18/what-idiot-wrote-this-code/

L2881[23:37:27] <killjoy> Maintain? What's that?

L2882[23:37:45] <Sollux-Captor> well i may go with the nesting reasoning being logical organization but it doesnt sound like there is any downfall other than visual organization

L2883[23:37:45] <killjoy> build, release, forget

L2884[23:38:06] <killjoy> You could also just put all the item classes in an item packege

L2885[23:38:17] <Sollux-Captor> well ye

L2886[23:38:17] <killjoy> You'll have the same effect

L2887[23:39:21] <Sollux-Captor> isnt it easier to share variables between classes though if the classes are nested? like instead of always sending values through constructors?

L2888[23:39:24] <Cypher121> one outer class per file, even if some are not public

L2889[23:39:33] <killjoy> just make them protected

L2890[23:39:55] <Cypher121> only use inner classes if there's an absolutely 100% "part of" relationship

L2891[23:40:06] <killjoy> like with Map.Entry

L2892[23:40:14] <Sollux-Captor> hmm ok

L2893[23:40:14] <Cypher121> yes

L2894[23:40:15] <Techcable> Cypher121: Agreed

L2895[23:40:38] <killjoy> It's crazy that Map.forEach doesn't take an Entry

L2896[23:40:42] <Techcable> Or for encapsulation

L2897[23:40:44] <killjoy> instead, it takes a BiConsumer

L2898[23:41:01] <Sollux-Captor> aight i guess i will go with the seperate class files

L2899[23:41:02] <Cypher121> map.entrySet().forEach()

L2900[23:41:04] <killjoy> BiConsumer isn't used anywhere else

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L2908[23:53:55] <Cypher121> wat. there's a method in BinaryOperator that takes a Comparator and returns a BinaryOperator that is basically max(a, b)

L2909[23:55:30] <xaero> ignoring the Comparator and substituting max?

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L2913[23:59:18] <Cypher121> xaero: no, it takes 2 arguments and returns the one that is greater according to comparator

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