OCLogs: 2015-12-05.log

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L32[02:00:03] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Pushing snapshot_20151205 mappings to Forge Maven.

L33[02:00:06] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Maven upload successful for mcp_snapshot-20151205-1.8.8.zip (mappings = "snapshot_20151205" in build.gradle).

L34[02:00:17] <MCPBot_Reborn> Semi-live (every 10 min), Snapshot (daily ~3:00 EST), and Stable (committed) MCPBot mapping exports can be found here: http://export.mcpbot.bspk.rs/

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L72[04:26:21] <Wuppy> woop woop, dutch christmas :D

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L74[04:30:12] <Wuppy> this is so damn accurate about hte dutch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLurEnjOeMo

L75[04:30:17] <Wuppy> also about americans :P

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L79[04:35:15] <AndersBillLind> I get theese exceptions in my console: [10:00:36] [Server thread/ERROR] [FML]: Failed to save extended properties for magic_wand. This is a mod issue.

L80[04:35:52] <Wuppy> they have a video on dutch christmas :O (called sinterklaas) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfB4eWyjy3I

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L97[05:41:34] <totokaka> As far as I understand, Minecraft is always running in a server-client setup, even in single player. How would I go about executing some code when a player joins a "server", meaning enters a single player save, goes to an open-to-lan save or enters a dedicated server?

L98[05:42:20] <totokaka> I'm developing for 1.8, btw. It seems the correct ting before was to use a ConnectionHandler, but I couldn't figure how to do that in 1.8

L99[05:42:23] <Wuppy> there is a forge event for OnPlayerJoin or something similar

L100[05:42:42] <Wuppy> not sure if it fits your needs perfectly, but it might be worth looking into

L101[05:42:43] <totokaka> There is?

L102[05:42:46] <Wuppy> yep

L103[05:43:26] <totokaka> Are there online javadocs anywhere?

L104[05:43:49] <Wuppy> I'm sure there are :P

L105[05:43:53] <Wuppy> no clue where though

L106[05:44:51] <totokaka> There doesn't seem to be any javadocs on the libraries ForgeGradle inserts into my IDE, so I haven't really figured out where to look

L107[05:45:05] <totokaka> And there aren't any javadoc downloads anymore on the website

L108[05:45:15] <Wuppy> there is a package for events for both forge and fml so just look through those classes :)

L109[05:47:42] <totokaka> The best thing I can find is EntityJoinWorldEvent, but I want when the player joins the server, not the world. I also read that this is only fired for entities, and not players

L110[05:47:55] <gabizou|laptop> totokaka just know, if you ever have a world object, you can always check that it's a server side world by checking !world.isRemote

L111[05:48:14] <gabizou|laptop> totokaka also, look under PlayerEvent, it's likely an inner class within that

L112[05:49:10] <totokaka> Thanks for the tip. There doesn't seem to be any relevant events under PlayerEvent

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L115[05:53:34] <totokaka> No more ideas?

L116[05:53:36] <gabizou|laptop> PlayerLoggedInEvent

L117[05:53:42] <gabizou|laptop> extends PlayerEvent

L118[05:53:56] <totokaka> ahhh

L119[05:53:57] <gabizou|laptop> from fml.common

L120[05:54:19] <totokaka> Yeah, I saw now. Thank you so much!

L121[05:54:58] <totokaka> I was looking at PlayerEvent from minecraftforge.event.entity.player

L122[05:58:45] <sham1> What is it you are trying to do

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L161[09:01:39] <Wuppy> does anyone have some suggestions on how to make decent idle behavior?

L162[09:02:46] <ThePsionic> Wuppy: How do you mean

L163[09:03:01] <Wuppy> well I have to make a monster have some kind of idle behavior

L164[09:03:03] <Wuppy> which looks natural

L165[09:03:13] <Wuppy> and I'm wondering how to do that

L166[09:03:20] <ThePsionic> Only one possible way to do that

L167[09:03:24] <ThePsionic> Gangnam style

L168[09:03:34] <Wuppy> it would be hilarios to make him do gangnam xD

L169[09:03:38] <Wuppy> but too much work for the designers

L170[09:03:42] <Wuppy> artists*

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L180[09:24:00] <ThePsionic> I just noticed Lex is in here three times

L181[09:25:14] <GhostfromTexas> Lex is all powerful and omnipitant

L182[09:25:39] <sham1> And omnipresent

L183[09:28:10] <heldplayer> Omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent

L184[09:29:11] <heldplayer> But if you look closer, there's Lex, Lex's lap, and Lex's server which has gained sentience

L185[09:30:01] <sham1> No, it is the second Lex's server

L186[09:30:36] <heldplayer> Oh, sorry for the insult Lex's second server :S

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L188[09:32:27] <ThePsionic> The real question is, what happened to the first one

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L213[11:32:08] <karlthepagan> spending so much time figuring out how to delegate block interactions i might make this a general library

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L216[11:39:11] <williewillus> porting other people's mods, man what the hell https://i.gyazo.com/71093e2b3f4a1dd54b76aa436aa167c0.png

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L220[11:44:03] <RobotSquid> guys i created a project on curseforge, uploaded a file, got it approved and non-experimental, but if i view the project in curse, it doesnt show any files. any ideas?

L221[11:48:09] <sham1> link

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L224[11:57:46] <Thutmose> in 1608, I get a message like "The API <API> from source <PATH>\<API.jar> is loaded from an incompatible classloader. THIS WILL NOT WORK!" for each api in the development environment, but it works fine, then doesn't give that message and also works fine while compiled. maybe it should check if deobfscated or something before giving it?

L225[11:58:42] <RobotSquid> sham1: I asked on #curseforge but they arnt replying so http://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/entity-dismemberment and http://www.curse.com/mc-mods/minecraft/238561-entity-dismemberment

L226[11:59:34] <sham1> I can see the stuff

L227[12:00:12] <RobotSquid> nvm i got answer, it wont sync to curse.com because its alpha

L228[12:00:22] <McJty> RobotSquid, you have fines btw

L229[12:00:30] <RobotSquid> fines?

L230[12:00:33] <McJty> files

L231[12:00:35] <McJty> Sorry :-)

L232[12:00:37] <RobotSquid> :P

L233[12:00:39] <RobotSquid> i know

L234[12:00:43] <McJty> Perhaps fines too but I don't know about those :-)

L235[12:00:43] <jadedcat> Yeah, we typically don't take over other channels for troubleshooting :p

L236[12:00:58] <sham1> hi jaded :p

L237[12:01:18] <jadedcat> hi guys /me waves

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L239[12:02:40] * RobotSquid wonders if he should make his super buggy dev version beta just to be able to have the curse download thingy in his MinecraftForum thread

L240[12:03:11] <sham1> Well your thread is propably where you want to link to the curse page anyway so...

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L243[12:12:37] <williewillus> where is the updated version of the rf api for 1.8+?

L244[12:12:57] <gigaherz> Progressive Automation has one

L245[12:13:04] <gigaherz> it's a fork of the RF api

L246[12:13:15] <gigaherz> I haven't heard of the cofh people making an official update to it

L247[12:13:43] <sham1> Well that's because they try to avoid 1.8 activly

L248[12:13:48] <sham1> But what do I know

L249[12:14:07] <gigaherz> sure

L250[12:14:51] <gigaherz> here williewillus https://github.com/Vanhal/ProgressiveAutomation/tree/1.8/src/main/java/cofh/api

L251[12:15:08] <gigaherz> that's the RF api the 1.8 mods are using so far

L252[12:15:23] <gigaherz> it's basically like the 1.7 one

L253[12:15:30] <gigaherz> but with BlockPos and EnumFacing

L254[12:15:42] <gigaherz> in place of x,y,z,ForgeDirection

L255[12:15:57] <williewillus> sham1: well, it's beginning so like it or not they have to soon :p

L256[12:16:14] <gigaherz> they can choose to be left behind.

L257[12:16:18] <sham1> what is beginning

L258[12:16:25] <gigaherz> 1.8 modpacks

L259[12:16:31] <sham1> mm

L260[12:16:35] <gigaherz> FTB launcher now has FTB Unstable 1.8

L261[12:16:41] <gigaherz> with "everything worth including so far"

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L263[12:17:00] <RobotSquid> ok so i got the files at curse.com now but my [mod] widget still says no files :(

L264[12:17:52] <williewillus> how do I view the modlist for that pack online? :p

L265[12:18:05] <williewillus> oh nice PE is in there :D

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L267[12:20:58] <AlexIIL> random question regarding the GameRegistry for 1.8.8 vs 1.8: are we allowed to use item ID's any more for saving and loading? Specifically Buildcraft uses them for the ID of a pipe

L268[12:21:06] <williewillus> !gm func_151554_b

L269[12:21:21] <sham1> what do you mean item IDs

L270[12:21:46] <gigaherz> AlexIIL: yo ushould NEVER use ids

L271[12:21:47] <gigaherz> ever.

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L273[12:21:52] <gigaherz> you use the "registry name"

L274[12:21:59] <gigaherz> which is a string in the form "modid:itemname"

L275[12:22:03] <AlexIIL> BuildCraft has been using them for ages :(

L276[12:22:13] <gigaherz> well buildcraft needs to update of be left behind.

L277[12:22:15] <gigaherz> ;P

L278[12:22:20] <AlexIIL> :P

L279[12:22:33] <sham1> BTW, there is no apostrophe in plural

L280[12:22:59] <AlexIIL> IDs. happy now?

L281[12:23:06] <sham1> Yes

L282[12:23:11] <AlexIIL> good

L283[12:23:29] <gigaherz> I have come to findi t acceptable to use apostrophes when pluralizing an acronym

L284[12:23:33] <gigaherz> although ID isn't an acronym XD

L285[12:23:33] <williewillus> speaking of 1.8.8 why is GameRegistry.findUniqueIdentifierFor deprecated

L286[12:23:37] <williewillus> and whats the replacement

L287[12:23:43] <fry> ResourceLocation

L288[12:23:54] <sham1> Fry to the rescue (again and again)

L289[12:24:22] <fry> cpw should know more about both ids and that :P

L290[12:24:54] <sham1> but he is out

L291[12:25:15] <sham1> BTW, I think I should register packets on both sides

L292[12:25:16] <sham1> Meh

L293[12:26:14] <Soni> so drawing stuff in getBlockModel has been used in at least 2 mods now

L294[12:26:55] <fry> and? :P

L295[12:27:07] <Soni> well it's a hack

L296[12:27:15] <fry> sure :P

L297[12:27:20] <Soni> and it's getting popular

L298[12:27:22] <fry> but what can you do

L299[12:27:42] <sham1> People like to abuse hackds

L300[12:27:59] <sham1> BTW fry, when will we get to the point where we can render text into our models

L301[12:27:59] <Soni> you could add a hook for drawing/the old ISimpleBlockRenderingHandler or something

L302[12:28:03] <sham1> or if we can, how

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L304[12:28:55] <Soni> or make a tutorial about how to replace it because I'm pretty sure nobody knows how

L305[12:29:02] <Soni> so they add hacks like that

L306[12:29:43] <fry> sham1: in about -10 months: http://rainwarrior.imgur.com/all/#2

L307[12:31:54] <sham1> Umn

L308[12:32:04] <sham1> Why did you link me to your gallery

L309[12:32:31] <sham1> Also

L310[12:32:37] <sham1> "This account has no public images"

L311[12:32:52] <fry> boo

L312[12:33:17] <fry> http://imgur.com/0anHAEW

L313[12:33:44] <sham1> That does not look too bad

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L315[12:40:46] <karlthepagan> frustrating to have a pull request closed without addressing the data

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L321[13:00:25] <OrionOnline> Hello

L322[13:01:12] <OrionOnline> Is the ForgeFileServer under stress?

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L324[13:02:52] <diesieben07> yes, it always is :P

L325[13:03:07] <OrionOnline> Like no i mean more then usual?

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L328[13:04:25] <karlthepagan> downloaded fine for me

L329[13:05:05] <OrionOnline> I ran my standard test for the bandwidth on my site, ling ping and speedtest

L330[13:05:23] <OrionOnline> but when i run the gradlew setupDecompWorkspace command it

L331[13:05:30] <OrionOnline> starts downloading ForgeGradle

L332[13:05:34] <OrionOnline> but it takes ages

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L335[13:06:33] <OrionOnline> It fixed it self now

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L341[13:24:28] <OrionOnline> Anybody using IDEA 15 in the chat?

L342[13:25:19] <sham1> Me

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L344[13:25:42] <gigaherz> hmm did I upgrade?

L345[13:25:48] <gigaherz> yes.

L346[13:25:52] <gigaherz> me too

L347[13:26:10] <OrionOnline> when i open a file, i get a carret that is one character wide and i cannot edit the file. untiul i hit a key on my keyboard then it turns normal

L348[13:26:19] <OrionOnline> Is that normal (a new feature) ?

L349[13:26:20] <gigaherz> never had that

L350[13:26:23] <sham1> VIM?

L351[13:26:28] <OrionOnline> Ah

L352[13:26:29] <OrionOnline> VIM

L353[13:26:31] <sham1> Goddamn it

L354[13:26:36] <OrionOnline> I need to disable that

L355[13:26:43] <sham1> It is infecting even our IDEs

L356[13:26:57] <gigaherz> IDEA has a "vim mode" now?

L357[13:27:02] <OrionOnline> Needed it, initialy then never used it because i made the project on a different computer

L358[13:27:07] <OrionOnline> gigaherz, yes

L359[13:28:28] <OrionOnline> Hmm i needd to diable it somehow

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L361[13:28:52] <sham1> Why have a VIM mode and no Emacs mode to accompany it

L362[13:29:01] <OrionOnline> NJo clue

L363[13:29:24] <fry> normal mode is emacs mode :P

L364[13:29:35] <OrionOnline> Ah found it

L365[13:29:42] <OrionOnline> The plugin for IDEA is called IdeaVIM#

L366[13:29:46] <fry> most common keybindings are from emacs, I think

L367[13:29:46] <sham1> C-x C-s is not save so it is not emacs damn it

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L369[13:30:00] <gigaherz> such a missed opportunity, not calling it "Vimdea"

L370[13:30:01] <gigaherz> ;P

L371[13:30:07] <OrionOnline> gigaherz, YEAH

L372[13:30:11] <sham1> VIMea

L373[13:30:20] <sham1> Your pun actually has to sound something

L374[13:30:23] <OrionOnline> sham1, that is even better

L375[13:30:29] <sham1> Vimdea sounds odd to say

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L377[13:31:09] <sham1> (Might be the overabundance of non-vowel letters in usual words)

L378[13:31:35] <fry> videam

L379[13:31:50] <sham1> Oh wow

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L383[13:37:33] <OrionOnline> Lets start the port to 1.8.8. The core library was not much work, bnut i am interested in this

L384[13:39:21] <gigaherz> btw

L385[13:39:31] <gigaherz> anyone with a "random stuffs" mod happens to want my signbutton? https://github.com/gigaherz/signbutton

L386[13:39:32] <gigaherz> ;P

L387[13:39:52] <tterrag> >.> Lumien

L388[13:40:23] <gigaherz> made it back in january while toying with 1.8, but I cba to maintain a mod with just one single block in it ;P

L389[13:40:49] <sham1> Send it to OpenBlocks when they decide to jump the ship

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L391[13:42:07] <Lumien> Nah^^, don't want to just take stuff

L392[13:42:34] <tterrag> is it taking if he gives it to you? :p

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L394[13:42:56] <Lumien> Probably not :P

L395[13:43:14] <Lumien> But it's a good idea, i might just make something that allows you to make any block a button

L396[13:43:21] <gigaherz> lol

L397[13:43:24] <Lumien> Fits better into the tons of "hacky" blocks i have in the mod xD

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L403[13:51:53] <OrionOnline> Lumien, that is the spirit :D

L404[13:53:08] <Lumien> :)

L405[13:53:44] <Lumien> Does somebody know why some of my 1.8 mods refuse to load in 1.8.8 and some at least try to load?

L406[13:54:01] <Lumien> It says that the mod "wants Minecraft [1.8,1.8]"

L407[13:54:33] <tterrag> do you have acceptedMinecraftVersions in the @Mod ?

L408[13:55:09] <Lumien> yes but it's set as "*"

L409[13:55:45] <tterrag> odd

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L411[13:55:58] <tterrag> remove it completely?

L412[13:56:26] <tterrag> I don't think * is valid

L413[13:56:32] <tterrag> it says in the javadoc that "" is wildcard

L414[13:56:51] <Lumien> Another special value is '*' which means accept all versions.

L415[13:57:05] <tterrag> I don't see that

L416[13:57:23] <tterrag> that's in the javadoc for acceptableRemoteVersions

L417[13:57:24] <Lumien> Oh whoops

L418[13:57:27] <Lumien> yeah that's what i set xD

L419[13:57:33] <tterrag> >.>

L420[13:58:18] <diesieben07> also note that FG actually sets acceptedMinecraftVersions for you iirc

L421[13:58:31] <tterrag> ^ that might do it

L422[13:58:44] <Lumien> But in the javadoc it says the default is any version which makes the mod run in any version the user puts it in

L423[13:58:46] <Mraof> In my experience "*" works for accepting all versions

L424[13:59:06] <diesieben07> Lumien, yes, but FG will put it there as if you put it there :D

L425[13:59:17] <tterrag> it's very possible the javadoc lies, because it was written before FG

L426[13:59:22] <tterrag> if so it needs to be changed

L427[13:59:25] <diesieben07> it doesn't lie

L428[13:59:25] <Lumien> oh right

L429[13:59:28] <diesieben07> FG just sets it

L430[13:59:32] <diesieben07> FML then things YOU set it :D

L431[13:59:42] <diesieben07> FG sets it when you build your mod

L432[13:59:43] <tterrag> diesieben07: that's unbelievably stupid

L433[13:59:47] <diesieben07> tell that to FG :D

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L435[13:59:50] <tterrag> why even have "" be the wildcard if it's just going to be set away

L436[13:59:57] <tterrag> AbrarSyed: nu

L437[13:59:59] <diesieben07> i don't know.

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L440[14:00:29] <tterrag> let me use something like %CURRENT%

L441[14:00:36] <Mraof> Actually if I remember correctly "*" is all versions including the mod being absent

L442[14:00:37] <tterrag> or ${mcversion}

L443[14:00:49] <tterrag> Mraof: we are not talking about acceptableRemoteVersions

L444[14:00:55] <Mraof> Oh, okay

L445[14:01:00] <Mraof> Sorry, I got confused

L446[14:01:19] <Lumien> see i'm not the only one :p

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L451[14:05:35] <Mraof> Hmm

L452[14:05:53] <Mraof> I've barely done anything with Minecraft mods since people sort of lost interest in the one I was mainly working on

L453[14:06:37] <Mraof> (The mod was designed for a server, but because of drama and some other such nonsense people sort of stopped going on it, including the staff)

L454[14:08:01] <AbrarSyed> tterrag, hm?

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L456[14:09:06] <AbrarSyed> tterrag, FG injects the acceptedMcVersion with the current MC version its bieng built for, but only if you have left it undefined. If you set it so anything, then I wont touch it at all.

L457[14:10:28] <OrionOnline> How did i set a dependency in ForgeGradle: compile "SmithsCore:SmithsCore:${config.smithscore_version}:dev" should add SmitshCore from the SmithsCore repo, right? But do not need to set the group?

L458[14:16:59] <tterrag> AbrarSyed: but the javadoc explicitly says "" is a wildcard

L459[14:17:02] <tterrag> which is the default value

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L462[14:19:39] <AbrarSyed> tterrag, then set it to ""

L463[14:19:49] <AbrarSyed> actually.. hmm.. your right.. mybad.. I can change that

L464[14:21:27] <AbrarSyed> tterrag, actually yes, define it as "", that will work fine. if its left undefined, I set it to the current MC version.

L465[14:21:27] <AbrarSyed> https://github.com/MinecraftForge/ForgeGradle/blob/master/src/main/java/net/minecraftforge/gradle/user/patcherUser/forge/McVersionTransformer.java#L61

L466[14:23:01] <Lumien> Yeah but the javadoc states that "" will make the mod run under any version

L467[14:23:51] <AbrarSyed> yeah,. so set it to "".

L468[14:24:37] <Lumien> I don't set it at all but the mods only work in the mc version i compile them in

L469[14:25:09] <Lumien> Or is that a difference?

L470[14:25:11] <diesieben07> yes

L471[14:25:12] <AbrarSyed> if its the default.. well.. yeah its from before FG. GO blame lex, he explicitely requested that I add that so that the majority of issues with people using 1.8 mods on 1.8.8 and such simply dont happen.

L472[14:25:20] <diesieben07> not setting it will make it be set by FG

L473[14:26:03] <AbrarSyed> Lumien, if you want your mod to work on multiple MC versions, set those multiple MC versions in the annotation thingy.

L474[14:26:25] <Lumien> Well i didn't know that some of my 1.8 mods would work in 1.8.8 as well :D

L475[14:26:47] <AbrarSyed> great, recompile them with the annotation change to work in both versions.

L476[14:27:22] <Lumien> That's what i'm doing

L477[14:28:37] <Lumien> So what would be the value for making it run in every minecraft version?

L478[14:28:41] <Lumien> Or is there none?

L479[14:29:02] <AbrarSyed> but it doesnt run in every NMC version

L480[14:29:21] <AbrarSyed> im sure it wont work for MC 1.5.2 or MC 1.6.2, and potentially wnt run on MC 1.9.. so why should you set a global wildcard again?

L481[14:29:57] <AbrarSyed> thew value is in cardcrashing early before the user gets an arcane error that stems from the running the mod on an incompatible version.

L482[14:30:06] <AbrarSyed> *the value is in hard-crashing

L483[14:31:01] <Lumien> Yes but i think it's unnecessary to release a new file for my mod just because i found out that it also runs in a new version

L484[14:31:42] <AbrarSyed> yeah but your not the one getting 100 bug reports because some incompatible mod X isnt working with forge 1.8.8... Lex is...

L485[14:32:18] <AbrarSyed> im sure the effort involved in uploading 1 whole extra file isnt significant

L486[14:32:48] <Lumien> I don't care it just means i get more downloads for my mods

L487[14:33:55] <Lumien> I also didn't really want it to be changed or anything, i was just confused why some of my mods were just running in 1.8.8 and some weren't :P

L488[14:34:22] <AbrarSyed> heh, well then. Yeah thats been answered

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L501[15:04:14] <gigaherz> hmm I just noticed Thaumcraft5 has "Taintwood logs", but no idea where those appear

L502[15:04:14] <gigaherz> XD

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L505[15:05:56] <ThePsionic> gigaherz: In the taint, perhaps?

L506[15:06:14] <gigaherz> I thought so, but the tain biome I have around seems to be plains

L507[15:06:19] <gigaherz> maybe I have to find a forest-taint

L508[15:06:26] <ThePsionic> prolly

L509[15:08:20] <pixlepix> How do I make a block perform some action on a rising redstone edge

L510[15:09:00] <diesieben07> pixlepix, check the dispenser for example.

L511[15:09:30] <Zaggy2048> is there a World method to get the light at a location as if it's day time?

L512[15:09:54] <Zaggy2048> well, not just day time, but also not raining (taking some light away)

L513[15:10:35] <gigaherz> there's a bunch of light methods in the world, I can't remember which one did what

L514[15:10:36] <gigaherz> XD

L515[15:11:27] <pixlepix> Uh...codechickencore has something like that

L516[15:11:31] <pixlepix> You could try checking there

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L519[15:13:07] <pixlepix> Okay, this dispenser code makes no senes

L520[15:13:39] <diesieben07> how so?

L521[15:13:42] <pixlepix> It just seems to fire it every time updateTick is called

L522[15:13:45] <tterrag> looks pretty simple to me

L523[15:13:49] <tterrag> updateTick is scheduled

L524[15:13:53] <tterrag> look where they schedule it

L525[15:14:19] <diesieben07> check the neighbor changed method

L526[15:14:30] <pixlepix> Oh my god, I hate the five different 'update' methods

L527[15:14:31] <pixlepix> :P

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L529[15:14:48] <tterrag> blocks don't get per-tick updates

L530[15:14:51] <tterrag> only scheduled ones

L531[15:15:17] <pixlepix> But then there are the crop-like updates, right?

L532[15:15:27] <pixlepix> Oh wait...do they keep scheduling those themselves?

L533[15:15:50] <diesieben07> no

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L535[15:15:56] <diesieben07> both tick methods go through updateTick

L536[15:16:42] <tterrag> random ticks are another things

L537[15:16:48] <tterrag> but same method yeah

L538[15:17:32] <pixlepix> Oh, mkay

L539[15:17:59] <pixlepix> In a completley different note, is there a way to make intellij give sane default parameter names when overriding a method?

L540[15:18:23] <gigaherz> in 1.8 there's randomTick

L541[15:18:27] <tterrag> go name the params with mcpbot

L542[15:18:28] <gigaherz> which normally redirects to updateTick

L543[15:18:32] <gigaherz> but you can override it to not redirect

L544[15:18:33] <tterrag> then use the mappings that are put out that night

L545[15:18:42] <tterrag> bonus: helping the community :p

L546[15:19:16] <pixlepix> Thats 1.8, right?

L547[15:19:24] <tterrag> well, no

L548[15:19:30] <tterrag> but there's no more mapping snapshots for 1.7

L549[15:19:36] <gigaherz> mcp mappings are only for the latest, which is now 1.8.8

L550[15:19:37] <tterrag> so you'd be hard pressed to use them

L551[15:19:44] <gigaherz> the 1.8 mappings are stable now, no longer updated

L552[15:21:35] <Lumien> If i want to change the value of a static final field i can't prevent the inlining of that field in asm or anywhere right?

L553[15:22:05] <diesieben07> no you cannot

L554[15:22:26] <gigaherz> well it's the point of final, it's NOT meant to change ever ;P

L555[15:22:50] <Lumien> Yeah

L556[15:22:54] <tterrag> eh, you can easily reflect/asm final

L557[15:22:59] <tterrag> the problem is inlined values

L558[15:23:31] <gigaherz> I don't know how it works in Java, but at least in C#, "const" values ARE inlined, the documentation clearly says that if you want the value to be changeable between versions, you can't use const

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L560[15:24:14] <tterrag> java has no const

L561[15:24:17] <tterrag> well it does, but it's not used

L562[15:24:22] <gigaherz> I know, but final is the next best thing

L563[15:24:28] <tterrag> static final values are inlined when they are primitives or strings

L564[15:24:34] <gigaherz> has practically the same semantics when applied together with static

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L566[15:26:30] <Lumien> So if the field is Integer instead of int it would not get inlined right?

L567[15:26:40] <diesieben07> yes

L568[15:26:42] <diesieben07> but don't do that

L569[15:27:00] <diesieben07> do static final int X = Integer.valueOf(3);

L570[15:27:04] <diesieben07> for example

L571[15:27:50] <Lumien> It's the GameData.MAX_POTION_ID field, do you think a pr that does that will go through? :P

L572[15:27:55] <gigaherz> that causes the value to not get inlined?

L573[15:28:05] <diesieben07> you cannot change max potion ID

L574[15:28:18] <Lumien> Yeah, because of the new registry i can't anymore

L575[15:28:30] <diesieben07> no you cannot because MC doesn't support it

L576[15:28:40] <Lumien> Yes but with a few changes it does^^

L577[15:28:45] <tterrag> even with the new potion system?

L578[15:29:07] <gigaherz> ? there's no MAX_POTION_ID in 1.8.8

L579[15:29:14] <Lumien> Was added quite recently

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L583[15:31:01] * gigaherz updates to latest forge

L584[15:33:25] * gigaherz watches :decompileMc and crosses fingers

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L587[15:38:28] <gigaherz> ah I see

L588[15:38:39] <gigaherz> Lumien: so you are proposing to change the protocol

L589[15:38:46] <gigaherz> it would never get accepted

L590[15:38:52] <gigaherz> since that means vanilla can't use a forge server anymore

L591[15:39:09] <gigaherz> packet uses 1 byte? well then only 0..255 are available.

L592[15:39:24] <Lumien> I know that, i don't want that change in forge. I just don't want that field to get inlined so that my mod can increase the potion id again :P

L593[15:39:40] <Lumien> Alternatively i'll just have to hope that no mod access that field directly

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L600[15:55:49] <Lumien> Also with the Block & Item Registries ids that are once used are not released again when the respective item / block doesn't exist anymore right?

L601[15:55:55] <Lumien> Is the Potion Registry like that as well?

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L605[16:02:09] <diesieben07> Lumien, i would assume so, since it uses the same mechanism

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L612[16:23:32] <OrionOnline> For some reason it throws an instantiation exception when i register my EventHandler

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L617[16:28:23] <OrionOnline> Fixed it

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L623[16:46:55] <Ordinastie> does that make sense ? java.lang.IllegalAccessError: tried to access class net.malisis.core.MalisisRegistry$ClientRegistry from class net.minecraftforge.fml.common.eventhandler.ASMEventHandler_31_ClientRegistry_onModelBakeEvent_ModelBakeEvent

L624[16:47:50] <diesieben07> yes, event handler methods must be public and their containing classes as well

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L626[16:49:29] <Ordinastie> then what doesn't it complain in dev ?

L627[16:49:51] <Ordinastie> also, why did I get just a lone report? :)

L628[16:49:51] <diesieben07> uhh

L629[16:49:59] <diesieben07> very weird :D

L630[16:50:02] <diesieben07> can you show that class?

L631[16:50:38] <Ordinastie> https://github.com/Ordinastie/MalisisCore/blob/1.8/src/main/java/net/malisis/core/MalisisRegistry.java#L94

L632[16:50:55] <Ordinastie> and it doesn't complain for texture stitch even either

L633[16:51:05] <Ordinastie> or renderWorldLast

L634[16:51:12] <diesieben07> uhm

L635[16:51:15] <diesieben07> yeah you cannot do that

L636[16:51:20] <diesieben07> the containing class must be public

L637[16:51:26] <diesieben07> no idea why it even works

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L639[16:52:45] <Ordinastie> oh, report is from forge 1334

L640[16:53:02] <Ordinastie> did something change lately with the ForgeBus ?

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L643[16:56:24] <diesieben07> Ordinastie, https://github.com/MinecraftForge/FML/commit/3e7ae47f8f5d642b256adbe8b3395bb40daf85da

L644[16:56:31] <diesieben07> but that was... a looong time ago

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L646[16:58:11] <Ordinastie> yeah, that's odd

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L651[17:12:01] <LexManos> Baught these for all the bullshit PRs I get ;) https://twitter.com/LexManos/status/673271472056438785

L652[17:12:25] <gabizou|laptop> lol

L653[17:13:16] <LexManos> <Lumien> It's the GameData.MAX_POTION_ID field, do you think a pr that does that will go through?

L654[17:13:31] <LexManos> Pretty sure thats limited by network code, so no we're not gunna allow editing of it.

L655[17:13:48] <Lumien> Yeah that's what my mod changed but i guess 255 ids will probably be enough anyway

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L661[17:22:29] <williewillus> if I add a maven mod dep is there a way to suppress that mod from loading in the dev environment. porting something to 1.8.8 and it pulled in nei and I don't want it to load :p

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L663[17:23:15] <tterrag> remove it from the launch classpath?

L664[17:24:02] <williewillus> how do i do that in idea :p in the dependencies screen for the module everything from gradle is already marked "Compile"

L665[17:24:53] <diesieben07> click the red "-" on the right

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L674[17:48:12] <williewillus> !gm Tessellator.setBrightness 1.7.10

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L676[17:49:34] <williewillus> how do I get a resourcelocation/registry name from a block object in 1.8.8?

L677[17:49:43] <williewillus> without using findUniqueIdentifierFor

L678[17:50:56] <tterrag> but...that's how you do it

L679[17:51:02] <tterrag> "how do I solve this problem without using the solution"

L680[17:51:04] <tterrag> wat

L681[17:51:15] <williewillus> it's deprecated in 1.8.8

L682[17:51:20] <williewillus> or annotated so at least

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L684[17:51:28] <TehNut> Wouldn't it be Block.blockRegistry.getNameForObject()?

L685[17:51:29] <tterrag> hmmm really?

L686[17:51:30] <tterrag> let me see

L687[17:51:38] <diesieben07> yep what the nut said

L688[17:51:40] <diesieben07> :D

L689[17:51:41] <tterrag> no it's not?

L690[17:52:01] <williewillus> https://i.gyazo.com/c462d23bcb25e9a94e49004cdd4b5795.png

L691[17:53:23] <tterrag> hm

L692[17:53:26] <tterrag> I don't get why though

L693[17:53:35] <diesieben07> because it's not needed

L694[17:53:51] <diesieben07> getNameForObject is perfectly adequate and now that we have proper generics it returns a ResourceLocation

L695[17:53:58] <diesieben07> so need for the UniqueIdentifier class

L696[17:54:08] <gigaherz> ah so it's in Block

L697[17:54:17] <gigaherz> I knew there was an alternative, I just couldn'tfind it

L698[17:54:18] <gigaherz> XD

L699[17:58:06] <TehNut> Block.blockRegistry and Item.itemRegistry

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L701[18:01:17] <gigaherz> ah findUniqueIdentifier basically wraps Block.blockRegistry/Item.itemRegistry, and converts the Resourcelocation to a UniqueIdentifier

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L707[18:13:59] <diesieben07> is there an easy way to get all keys that map to the same object in a Map?

L708[18:14:40] <diesieben07> so { "foo"=>"bar", "baz"=>"quz", "bar" => "bar" } and "bar" would give me ["foo", "bar"] because those two map to "bar"

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L710[18:15:03] <killjoy> iterate the entrySet

L711[18:15:16] <diesieben07> yeah so not pretty :D

L712[18:15:21] <diesieben07> is there a better data structure for this?

L713[18:15:29] <killjoy> Multimap

L714[18:15:42] <diesieben07> but that maps more than one value to each key

L715[18:15:46] <diesieben07> i want one value per key

L716[18:15:47] <killjoy> hm..

L717[18:16:02] <killjoy> so you want a 1-1?

L718[18:16:15] <diesieben07> no, 1-1 is BiMap

L719[18:16:16] <killjoy> or many to 1

L720[18:16:20] <diesieben07> many to 1

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L722[18:18:16] <tterrag> diesieben07: so a reverse multimap, kinda

L723[18:18:21] <diesieben07> kinda, yeah :D

L724[18:19:31] <diesieben07> i'll just do this: Iterables.filter(map.keySet(), k -> map.get(k).equals(value));

L725[18:19:33] <tterrag> diesieben07: keep it as a bimap, reverse it, feed it into a multimap

L726[18:19:36] <diesieben07> it doesn't need to be fast

L727[18:19:42] <killjoy> That works.

L728[18:19:43] <tterrag> or that I guess :P

L729[18:20:00] <diesieben07> if i do BiMap i cannot make 2 keys point to the same thing

L730[18:20:10] <killjoy> Since java 8, streaming api?

L731[18:20:10] <tterrag> right

L732[18:20:30] <diesieben07> i could use a Stream, but... weh

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L734[18:20:39] <diesieben07> can't iterate a stream, need to put it in a collection first

L735[18:31:44] <killjoy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PRqmz3vcQQ

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L741[18:50:20] <cpw> karlthepagan, are you here?

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L747[19:23:30] <Rockers> Hello!

L748[19:23:59] <Horfius> Hi...

L749[19:24:27] <AbrarSyed> o/

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L753[19:32:43] <Rockers> / / --o\ o-\ \\ --(_)--

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L755[19:32:43] <Rockers> '` ` |-| `` '

L756[19:32:44] <Rockers> |-|

L757[19:32:44] <Rockers> |-|O

L758[19:32:45] <Rockers> |-(\,__

L759[19:32:45] <Rockers> ...|-|\--,\_....

L760[19:32:46] <Rockers> ,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;,.

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L762[19:32:47] <Rockers> ~;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;, ______ --------- _____ ------

L763[19:32:50] <TehNut> well then

L764[19:32:53] <gabizou> ...

L765[19:33:01] <TehNut> that's a good way to get kicked...

L766[19:33:24] <Rockers> shh, it's the inspirational image of the day.

L767[19:33:25] <diesieben07> yay, youtube comments broughtto you live by the rocker

L768[19:33:33] <Rockers> No

L769[19:33:51] <Rockers> 'Twas an ASCII art website completely written in html

L770[19:34:39] * gabizou just goes back to coding and watching Rick and Morty in the background

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L773[19:47:53] <killjoy1> I hate merging outdated branches

L774[19:47:56] <killjoy1> I should just start over

L775[19:50:33] <Rockers> y not both

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L778[19:51:34] <Rockers> http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/538/731/0fc.gif

L779[19:51:53] <killjoy1> Why would I need to merge an outdated branch if I just reset it?

L780[19:52:21] <Rockers> (It was a bad joke.)

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L791[20:47:55] <williewillus> did the unofficial 1.8 port of the rf api not include all modules of it?

L792[20:47:58] <williewillus> *cofh

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L794[20:48:06] <williewillus> missing transport package among other things

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L800[21:27:59] <Cypher121> transport package?

L801[21:29:18] <Cypher121> williewillus: that doesn't look like RF related part, so probably it's not ported

L802[21:29:25] <williewillus> ah okay

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L804[21:33:32] <gigaherz> williewillus: transport is part of the ducts api, not the rf one ;P

L805[21:33:49] <gigaherz> RF api is .energy and a tiny bit of .tileentities iirc

L806[21:34:22] <gigaherz> and they used the block package too

L807[21:34:37] <gigaherz> (although rf may only use a tiny part of tileentities, you need to include the whole package regardless)

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L809[21:34:58] <gigaherz> .tileentity*

L810[21:41:04] <MattDahEpic> is rfapi updated to 1.8+ yet or is there still hassle about ForgeDirection.NONE

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L813[21:44:47] <Floppy012> Hello :)

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L815[21:45:31] <Floppy012> Is it possible to debug my mod so i can change my code live?

L816[21:46:29] <gigaherz> in IDEA, you can just hit "build" and it asks if you want to replace the code

L817[21:46:38] <gigaherz> as long as you don't change the signature of the classes

L818[21:46:46] <Floppy012> Im using netbeans :/

L819[21:46:59] <gigaherz> netbeans works with forge?

L820[21:47:22] <Floppy012> yes just imported the eclipse project

L821[21:47:27] <gigaherz> tbh I don't know if netbeans can do it

L822[21:47:29] <illyohs> it was if you install the gradle plugin

L823[21:47:35] <gigaherz> I haven't used netbeans in a LONG time

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L825[21:49:09] <H1N1theI> I mean, is the Java debug architecture standardized? :/

L826[21:50:04] <gigaherz> I have no idea

L827[21:50:16] <Floppy012> what main class do i have to use?

L828[21:50:19] <gigaherz> specially, I have no idea if "replace running code" is standarized either

L829[21:50:26] <H1N1theI> I'm just still stuck in the stone ages, grinding away at my bugs with a disgusting mixture of valgrind and stdouts.

L830[21:50:55] <H1N1theI> Floppy012: It's the same as usual, but what I've found with a quick google search indicates it's some arguments to gradle itself.

L831[21:50:59] <gigaherz> Floppy012: GradleStart

L832[21:51:22] <gigaherz> or at least that's the main class IDEA uses

L833[21:51:34] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: But, hey, atleast I got my multiple inheritances and function pointers. :P

L834[21:51:36] <gigaherz> problem is you said you imported the eclipse project

L835[21:52:05] <MattDahEpic> the real question is why packets need a constructor even if you dont do anythign in it...

L836[21:52:08] <gigaherz> so you may not have netbeans actually be aware of the gradle stuffs

L837[21:52:23] <gigaherz> MattDahEpic: the constructor is for the "other side" which has to receive the packet

L838[21:52:26] <H1N1theI> MattDahEpic: I mean, all objects "have" a constructor. :/

L839[21:52:43] <H1N1theI> Wait, really?

L840[21:52:52] <williewillus> where is the portable hole blacklist in the thaumcraft 5 api?

L841[21:53:45] <gigaherz> H1N1theI: mc encodes the packet into a binary buffer, sends it, then the other side rebuilds the packet object back, based on the message info (and ID for vanilla packets)

L842[21:54:07] <gigaherz> so you have the "sending" constructor, and the "receiving" constructor

L843[21:54:34] <H1N1theI> ...Java can't do automatic deserialization?

L844[21:54:51] <gigaherz> some libraries can

L845[21:55:03] <gigaherz> Minecraft uses its own packet system on top of netty

L846[21:55:30] <H1N1theI> I see.

L847[21:56:12] <H1N1theI> Hey, what do I know, I know nothing of java. :|

L848[21:57:21] <williewillus> its not java, it's custom :p

L849[21:57:34] <Floppy012> gigaherz: I only have the class files attached as Libraries so i cant start them :/

L850[21:57:41] <gigaherz> Floppy012:

L851[21:57:50] <gigaherz> well then you should be using a gradle plugin

L852[21:58:01] <gigaherz> and attaching the debugger to the process started by "gradlew debugClient"

L853[21:58:14] <gigaherz> if you can't use the GradleStart task

L854[21:58:18] <H1N1theI> williewillus: I mean the Java standard library. :P

L855[21:58:34] <gigaherz> or attaching* not and

L856[21:58:39] <williewillus> the use case for default java serialization is *extremely* limited

L857[21:58:51] <gigaherz> or verbose

L858[21:58:55] <williewillus> it's old, slow, and inefficient for all but a narrow set of cases

L859[21:58:56] <gigaherz> generally verbose ;P

L860[21:59:15] <MattDahEpic> lol shaking a window in windows 10 minimises all other windows

L861[21:59:19] <H1N1theI> williewillus: Really? Shouldn't java be able to just (internally) (T*)(void * ptr)?

L862[21:59:20] <williewillus> MattDahEpic: uhhh

L863[21:59:25] <williewillus> that was a windows 7 feature

L864[21:59:26] <williewillus> aero shake

L865[21:59:30] <H1N1theI> Because type signatures are static?

L866[21:59:31] <gigaherz> MattDahEpic: welcome to windows 7.

L867[21:59:42] <gigaherz> H1N1theI: java has no pointers

L868[21:59:43] <williewillus> H1N1theI: not so easy lol

L869[21:59:50] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: I meant internally.

L870[21:59:58] <gigaherz> it also has no "pointers"

L871[21:59:58] <williewillus> yeah so what's T?

L872[22:00:07] <williewillus> how does the VM get T?

L873[22:00:11] <gigaherz> the JVM is higher-level than that

L874[22:00:13] * MattDahEpic was never bored enough to boxes on a screen

L875[22:00:22] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: JVM is still C, no?

L876[22:00:34] <gigaherz> at the lowest level, sure

L877[22:00:38] <karlthepagan> H1N1theI, if you must fake pointers you use sun.misc.Unsafe and then everyone gets to throw rocks at you

L878[22:00:40] <gigaherz> but the actual objects

L879[22:00:45] <williewillus> java types are most definitely not represented as C types

L880[22:00:45] <gigaherz> are virtual

L881[22:00:50] <karlthepagan> because 99.9% of the time you shouldn't be doing that

L882[22:00:51] <williewillus> so that makes no sense

L883[22:00:51] <gigaherz> they don't represent C code at any point

L884[22:00:59] <H1N1theI> karlthepagan: ...I come from C++. I'm a big fan of unsafe pointers. I also shoot myself in to foot every day. :P

L885[22:01:28] <H1N1theI> williewillus: Right, but you're still allowed to reinterpret a section of memory as any other section of memory.

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L887[22:01:40] <gigaherz> no you are not, the way the jvm is set up isn't that "linear"

L888[22:01:42] <karlthepagan> H1N1theI, I've also done C++ in java there's a large amount of stack and heap integrity checking going on... it's not a good idea to fake pointers

L889[22:01:57] <williewillus> its not a 1 to 1 translation into the lower level lol

L890[22:02:06] <gigaherz> a class isn't just self-contained into a buffer like in C/C++

L891[22:02:14] <H1N1theI> williewillus: Ah, ok. Java's memory mapping isn't actaully guarenteed?

L892[22:02:29] <gigaherz> even the actual memory location of the objects isn't guaranteed

L893[22:02:34] <williewillus> the vm manages it for you

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L895[22:02:39] <gigaherz> the garbage collector could easily move things around

L896[22:02:43] <williewillus> and does

L897[22:02:49] <karlthepagan> H1N1theI, also C++'s memory mapping isn't guaranteed... see "overcommit" and virtual pages ;)

L898[22:02:55] <gigaherz> and objects still work because the "reference" doesn't match to a memory address

L899[22:02:59] <gigaherz> it's an object "id"

L900[22:03:24] <gigaherz> a virtualized address, yes, but not an actual one

L901[22:03:27] <H1N1theI> karlthepagan: Doesn't that only apply to arrays?

L902[22:04:01] <karlthepagan> H1N1theI, it's lower level than the language, it applies to everything in a linux machine in my experience

L903[22:04:07] <karlthepagan> whenever you fork

L904[22:04:30] <karlthepagan> but i'm derailing i'll admit ;) it sounded like an unfair comparison

L905[22:04:41] <H1N1theI> karlthepagan: ...Crap. Going to need to rewrite my netlibs now. ;-; Thanks alot. :P

L906[22:05:08] <gigaherz> in C++, an object is a linear struct that generally follows a sequence like { type info if rtti is enabled, inherited objects' data, virtual method tables, space for fields }

L907[22:05:14] <gigaherz> in Java, it's not that direct

L908[22:05:54] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: Ok, I think I understand now.

L909[22:06:51] <karlthepagan> also I haven't run genPatches in a year... what am I doing wrong? :P

L910[22:07:13] <karlthepagan> gradle setup & gradle genPatches is missing a few dependencies, will gist in a moment

L911[22:08:29] <williewillus> when generics reveal everything wrong with someone's code: https://i.gyazo.com/6f33c8150855a4569e7d21f9cdb398d6.png

L912[22:08:32] <karlthepagan> oops, dirty workspace trying again

L913[22:08:46] <williewillus> this is someone elses mod btw lol

L914[22:09:23] <karlthepagan> now that we have generics, thanks team forge :)

L915[22:09:48] <karlthepagan> <oldman>I remember when they added generics and I found some bugs in my own code</oldman>

L916[22:10:04] <H1N1theI> ...I... What?

L917[22:10:07] <gigaherz> I remember when they added generics and I was really happy that I did not have any wrong assumption

L918[22:10:07] <gigaherz> ;P

L919[22:10:28] <gigaherz> H1N1theI: in Java, generics are implemented by dropping the actual type

L920[22:10:38] <gigaherz> and casting everything to the Object type

L921[22:10:42] <karlthepagan> I see that smug cloud :P

L922[22:10:59] <williewillus> I cringe when people cast to concrete classes and not interfaces

L923[22:11:03] <gigaherz> this means that, if you don't have the metadata available

L924[22:11:12] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: ...That's pretty cringe.

L925[22:11:14] <gigaherz> such as is the case for obfuscate code

L926[22:11:22] <gigaherz> all you see is the "base type"

L927[22:11:25] <gigaherz> which is like

L928[22:11:34] <gigaherz> List<Something> -> plain old List (of objects)

L929[22:11:38] <H1N1theI> Hey, atleast you see your generics.

L930[22:11:42] <H1N1theI> Templates...

L931[22:11:45] <H1N1theI> RIP logic.

L932[22:11:50] <gigaherz> Mojang added generic info in 1.8.3 or so

L933[22:11:59] <gigaherz> that is, they allowed the obfuscator to keep the data

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L937[22:12:28] <gigaherz> many of us had a brain-party that day

L938[22:12:28] <gigaherz> ;p

L939[22:12:45] <gigaherz> we have been looking forward to Forge making use of the generic metadata ever since

L940[22:12:56] <gigaherz> and it was worth the wait.

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L942[22:13:23] <H1N1theI> Wow. I didn't realize generics were *that* new. :o

L943[22:13:31] <H1N1theI> That's actually pretty amazing.

L944[22:13:31] <gigaherz> in Java, they aren't THAT new

L945[22:13:36] <gigaherz> in MinecraftForge, they are

L946[22:13:50] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: Yeah, I mean in forge. XD

L947[22:13:59] <williewillus> well if you consider that some people in enterprise java are still stuck on java 4....

L948[22:14:00] <gigaherz> in forge, we got them 2 weeks ago

L949[22:14:02] <williewillus> bless their souls

L950[22:14:25] <karlthepagan> they're bleeding edge, the decompiler didn't handle them properly until L*xMan*s fixed it

L951[22:14:35] <gigaherz> yo ucan just say "Lex"

L952[22:14:40] <karlthepagan> oic

L953[22:14:49] <gigaherz> he actively avoids setting his nickname to just "lex" in order to avoid getting pinged

L954[22:14:59] <karlthepagan> williewillus, how the fuck do those people pass a PCI audit

L955[22:15:41] <H1N1theI> karlthepagan: I mean, the same way the people who made the memo banning forward migration got hired?

L956[22:15:46] <williewillus> no clue :p

L957[22:15:52] <karlthepagan> ;p

L958[22:16:09] <gigaherz> "if it works, don't fix it"

L959[22:16:22] <gigaherz> upgrading Java risks not being able to abuse the bugs anymore

L960[22:16:23] <gigaherz> ;P

L961[22:17:28] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: A fan of the javascript approach, eh?

L962[22:17:35] <karlthepagan> gigaherz, have you done gen patches lately? I'm missing a lot of dependencies :/

L963[22:17:56] <karlthepagan> netty, jansi

L964[22:18:32] <gigaherz> I don't develop forge

L965[22:18:56] <karlthepagan> jline, oshi-core

L966[22:19:01] <karlthepagan> kk, will hit it with a hammer

L967[22:19:11] <williewillus> where is are java resources going right now? the valhalla mailing list is so dead right now >.<

L968[22:19:13] <williewillus> *where are

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L970[22:20:23] <karlthepagan> williewillus, people defecting over Oracle's bad acting?

L971[22:20:39] <williewillus> defecting to what, exactly?

L972[22:20:41] <williewillus> :p

L973[22:21:28] <karlthepagan> good question, I'm feeling antsy about my personal investment in java

L974[22:21:34] <karlthepagan> so... show me and I'll follow

L975[22:21:42] <gigaherz> JAva to me is just "the minecraft modding language"

L976[22:21:47] <williewillus> *shrug* I like the jvm ecosystem

L977[22:21:48] <gigaherz> I have no use for it besides modding

L978[22:21:49] <gigaherz> ;P

L979[22:21:59] <karlthepagan> 1) paycheck 2) minecraft

L980[22:22:01] <williewillus> are you talking about java the language or java the platform?

L981[22:22:23] <karlthepagan> williewillus, q for who?

L982[22:22:36] <williewillus> whichever lol

L983[22:23:07] <karlthepagan> also, no clear court decision on what the difference between language and platform it... see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23583968/what-are-the-37-java-api-packages-possibly-encumbered-by-the-may-2014-oracle-v-g

L984[22:23:09] <gigaherz> my answer should have been obvious: I don't care for Java as a platform, besides the "it's what Minecraft runs on" part

L985[22:24:06] <gigaherz> I'm, at heart, a C# developer

L986[22:24:08] <williewillus> holy shit what the hell this mod

L987[22:24:14] <karlthepagan> gigaherz, modding kerbal?

L988[22:24:20] <williewillus> it walks the classpath to find blocks to register

L989[22:24:23] <gigaherz> nah I don't do modding besides Minecraft

L990[22:24:25] <williewillus> ????????

L991[22:24:29] <gigaherz> williewillus: lol

L992[22:24:34] <gigaherz> "extreme modularization"

L993[22:24:41] <karlthepagan> sound like spring

L994[22:24:41] <williewillus> yeah everything is so overengineered

L995[22:24:57] <williewillus> instead of ModBLocks.foo it's BlockRegistry.getBlockForClass(Foo.class)

L996[22:25:12] <gigaherz> karlthepagan: I do however write games in C#. I have one released to far, using the Unity engine

L997[22:25:29] <gigaherz> http://dogforce-games.com/throw

L998[22:26:01] <karlthepagan> gigaherz, cool. Outside work I barely have enough time to cause trouble here let alone realease anything

L999[22:26:10] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: As someone failing to write a cross-platform engine from scratch via C++... I envy your ability to write segfaultless code and quick product delivery timelines. :P

L1000[22:26:26] <H1N1theI> How tempting it would be to switch...

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L1002[22:26:51] <karlthepagan> H1N1theI, embrace the LLVM... let your anger flow through you

L1003[22:27:09] <gigaherz> H1N1theI: to what?

L1004[22:27:13] <gigaherz> the Unity engine does all that shit

L1005[22:27:15] <gigaherz> I just write the code

L1006[22:27:16] <gigaherz> ;P

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L1008[22:27:31] <gigaherz> I have no part in the low-level engine programming ;P

L1009[22:27:32] <H1N1theI> karlthepagan: ...I'm specing out a scripting language that will compile to LLVM. :P

L1010[22:27:39] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: That's exactly what I mean. :P

L1011[22:28:06] <gigaherz> however,

L1012[22:28:16] <gigaherz> I did once port a C library to js using emscripten

L1013[22:28:28] <gigaherz> and interfaced it from a javascript-based app

L1014[22:28:35] <gigaherz> it wasn't fun

L1015[22:28:41] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: Sounds about right.

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L1017[22:28:44] <karlthepagan> H1N1theI, before you write a new language you must learn 90% of these IMO: java, ruby, lua, go, swift, ecma(js), haskell, erlang, groovy, scala

L1018[22:28:57] <karlthepagan> ok and maybe C# :P

L1019[22:29:04] <H1N1theI> karlthepagan: I do know java, lua, js, haskell, and am aware of ruby.

L1020[22:29:07] <gigaherz> C#, D, C++, TypeScript, CoffeeScript

L1021[22:29:45] <gigaherz> Python, Perl

L1022[22:29:52] <karlthepagan> H1N1theI, you're potentially missing a large body of higher-order languages IMO. haskell and lua are a start

L1023[22:30:02] <gigaherz> haskell is functional

L1024[22:30:05] <karlthepagan> and js i guess

L1025[22:30:16] <gigaherz> the paradigm is completely different

L1026[22:30:31] <gigaherz> it doesn't "run" in the same way

L1027[22:30:34] <karlthepagan> functional vs iterative... not functional vs oop

L1028[22:30:42] <H1N1theI> karlthepagan: Ehhh, I know lisp.

L1029[22:30:48] <karlthepagan> s/iterative/imperative/

L1030[22:30:54] <gigaherz> oop has nothing to do with the base paradigm

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L1032[22:31:07] <gigaherz> you can have oop-functional just the same as oop-imperative

L1033[22:31:10] <karlthepagan> correct, but too many people blame imperative for oop

L1034[22:31:48] <williewillus> lol also from the same mod: every. single. block. is stuffed into the same class and the TE to return is determined by swiching on a string

L1035[22:31:58] <williewillus> i thought this mod would be more sanely coded 0.o

L1036[22:32:04] <gigaherz> also oop-C++ (class-instance paradigm) is not the same as oop-ObjC (object-message paradigm), or oop-JS (constructor-function paradigm)

L1037[22:32:36] <gigaherz> williewillus: EWW

L1038[22:32:39] <gigaherz> rewrite? ;P

L1039[22:32:55] <H1N1theI> ...Every block I have is stuffed into two classes. :|

L1040[22:32:56] <gigaherz> can you tell us which mod it is, or is it a secret?

L1041[22:33:02] <williewillus> i don't have design skills that why i just port stuff :p

L1042[22:33:03] <williewillus> Aura cascade

L1043[22:33:08] <karlthepagan> williewillus, I want to write a block proxy library... send the code my way ;) :P

L1044[22:33:09] <gigaherz> ah

L1045[22:33:11] <gigaherz> well

L1046[22:33:14] <gigaherz> that doesn't surprise me

L1047[22:33:21] <williewillus> mainly did it bc the author was complaining about 1.8 lol

L1048[22:33:29] <gigaherz> the mod's design is so crazy

L1049[22:33:32] <H1N1theI> That might be because I'm completely lazy and using functions to do all my stuff. :|

L1050[22:33:34] <gigaherz> that it doesn't surprise me the codei s crazy too

L1051[22:33:34] <gigaherz> ;P

L1052[22:34:08] <H1N1theI> Is there a reason why each block "should" have its own class anyways?

L1053[22:34:19] <gigaherz> H1N1theI: abstraction

L1054[22:34:23] <gigaherz> separation of concerns

L1055[22:34:37] <gigaherz> and a whole other set of design principles that I can't be arsed to remember by name

L1056[22:35:17] <karlthepagan> H1N1theI, you get a hash lookup "for free" by using a different class... so if you stuff all the stuff into the same class it's a wasted level of indirection

L1057[22:35:17] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: I mean, I currently have for 80% of my blocks as a single generic class that I pass in a special parameter with some default values and create them that way. Is that "bad" in a sense?

L1058[22:35:30] <gigaherz> not necessarily

L1059[22:35:35] <gigaherz> IF your blocks are essentially the same

L1060[22:35:39] <gigaherz> and only some "default values" change

L1061[22:35:47] <gigaherz> then it's perfectly fine to reuse the same logic

L1062[22:35:52] <gigaherz> Minecraft does it.

L1063[22:35:56] <karlthepagan> +1, see RedstoneDiode

L1064[22:36:06] <gigaherz> but when your blocks have completely different *LOGIC*

L1065[22:36:11] <karlthepagan> BlockFluid

L1066[22:36:13] <karlthepagan> etc

L1067[22:36:44] <H1N1theI> Ok, cool, making sure I'm not doing something stupid.

L1068[22:36:57] <karlthepagan> for my case I want to proxy for blocks changing in another dimension... and I kindof have to do that

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L1070[22:37:07] <williewillus> some authors have the right to complain since their mods are absolutely enormous (see botania, which I'm still trudging through) but this one's tiny and overcomplicated

L1071[22:37:14] <williewillus> H1N1theI: well if they're say all decoration blocks that have exactly no function its fine

L1072[22:37:18] <williewillus> but in this case literally all sorts of things are stuffed into one class

L1073[22:37:19] <H1N1theI> Like any good upstanding hobby coder who doesn't let anyone else see their code, I care emmencely about how other people view my code. :P

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L1075[22:38:48] <gigaherz> williewillus: when the IDE generally lets you do "make me aa subclass from this"

L1076[22:38:57] <gigaherz> and "override me this"

L1077[22:39:10] <gigaherz> writing a switch on a string doens't really save up that much time ;P

L1078[22:39:23] <williewillus> well it's the "stringly typed" antipattern too

L1079[22:39:37] <williewillus> alright it compiles let's see when it crashes

L1080[22:40:25] <H1N1theI> williewillus: Literally spaghetti code. :P

L1081[22:40:28] <williewillus> dammit first start crashed

L1082[22:40:54] <williewillus> aww my fault forgot to supply createBlockState

L1083[22:41:16] <gigaherz> H1N1theI: nah "stringly typed" refers tocode using strings where other basic types would fit like "string date" or "string count"

L1084[22:41:39] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: I was attempting to pun in string as in spaghetti noodles. :P

L1085[22:41:48] <gigaherz> BUT

L1086[22:41:52] <H1N1theI> Joke got cast a little too high there? :P

L1087[22:42:13] <williewillus> heh cast

L1088[22:42:19] <gigaherz> there IS such code that can be described as "noodle code"

L1089[22:42:36] <gigaherz> where it's stringy AND spaghetti at the same time

L1090[22:42:53] <williewillus> !gm dropFewItems

L1091[22:42:59] <karlthepagan> it's a higher-order joke type

L1092[22:43:01] <gigaherz> and yeah it's 5:42am

L1093[22:43:18] <H1N1theI> Haha

L1094[22:43:39] <gigaherz> dont' be surprised if my brain apears to be somewhat "phased out" and jokes pass through without disturbing the matter

L1095[22:44:02] <H1N1theI> karlthepagan: Sorry sir, but it seems your sense of humor is a bit... *Sunglasses* derivative.

L1096[22:44:12] <williewillus> only 10:45 here lol

L1097[22:44:19] <williewillus> !gm addRandomDrop

L1098[22:44:29] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: Your brain is quantumly decoherent from these wisecracks?

L1099[22:45:22] <gigaherz> dunno, my quantum superposition of understanding and not understanding the joke seems to be collapsing no the "not" state more often than usual

L1100[22:45:28] <gigaherz> on*

L1101[22:46:12] <williewillus> first fatality - NPE thrown from that spaghetti mess of a block registry

L1102[22:46:18] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: I think your measurement basis is off? (Quantum computing jokes anyone? No? ;-;)

L1103[22:47:13] <karlthepagan> going to give up and play a game for a bit

L1104[22:47:15] <gigaherz> sorry I became unentangled.

L1105[22:48:12] <H1N1theI> I think that was it for me.

L1106[22:48:23] <karlthepagan> but considering that "gradle setupForge" is no longer the way to get started I suspect I'm missing something which has become tribal knowledge

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L1108[22:48:28] <gigaherz> if there's such a thing as being too bored to go to sleep

L1109[22:48:32] <gigaherz> that's what I am right now

L1110[22:48:42] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: Sorry.

L1111[22:48:44] <williewillus> karlthepagan: it's not? 0.o what is it now?

L1112[22:48:51] <karlthepagan> williewillus, "gradle setup"

L1113[22:49:02] <karlthepagan> also the decomp goes in "projects" not "eclipse"

L1114[22:49:06] <gigaherz> working on a PR to forge?

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L1116[22:49:24] <karlthepagan> gigaherz, yes, I need to rebase and do a full performance writeup for CPW

L1117[22:49:40] <williewillus> i should update my prs to 1.8.8 instead of untangling this mess

L1118[22:50:19] <williewillus> karlthepagan: he had a point though. your thing is a micro-optimization. Thousands of BlockPos objects are created and discarded each tick, why not patch EVERYTHING back to explicit int x y z??

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L1121[22:51:18] <karlthepagan> damn irc...

L1122[22:51:30] <karlthepagan> anyways I was saying gigaherz, I'm replacing rapid fire object allocation with a primitive-based data structure

L1123[22:51:49] <gigaherz> aren't GC Heaps optimized for that kind of workload?

L1124[22:51:50] <karlthepagan> it's ambitious but IMO the only simple performance gain to be had right now

L1125[22:52:05] <karlthepagan> gigaherz, yes except this reference escapes the thread

L1126[22:52:15] <karlthepagan> so the cost of an object vs primitive is not trivial

L1127[22:52:19] <gigaherz> ah

L1128[22:52:27] <williewillus> lol it seems no one saw the /s on my comment

L1129[22:52:29] <gigaherz> no idea what that implies though

L1130[22:53:06] <gigaherz> williewillus: nooo patching things back to XYZ would remove the ".up()" type methods! ;P

L1131[22:53:09] <karlthepagan> escaping the read means the object is able to survive outside eden

L1132[22:53:20] <karlthepagan> *the thread

L1133[22:53:55] <karlthepagan> "eden" being the 1st generation of GC passes

L1134[22:54:51] <Floppy012> is there any way that i can run the client and change some code and then without restarting the client apply the changes?

L1135[22:55:03] <gigaherz> from IDEA, it "just works"

L1136[22:55:06] <gigaherz> from anywhere else, no idea

L1137[22:55:16] <karlthepagan> eclipse debug mode

L1138[22:55:19] <karlthepagan> might work

L1139[22:55:22] <gigaherz> Iassume eclipse does it too

L1140[22:55:30] <karlthepagan> also depends what you change

L1141[22:55:36] <karlthepagan> bbiab

L1142[22:55:53] <gigaherz> Floppy012: remember what I said earlier: Minecraft uses gradle as a build manager

L1143[22:55:59] <gigaherz> MinecraftForge*

L1144[22:56:05] <williewillus> Floppy012: in eclipse, just run in debug mode and every time you ctrl+s it will reload the class

L1145[22:56:18] <gigaherz> so if you want to make use of debugging properly, you need to be cooperating with gradle

L1146[22:56:19] <williewillus> same for idea but there you have to manually hit recompile

L1147[22:56:22] <williewillus> gigaherz: wat

L1148[22:56:28] <gigaherz> he said he's using netbeans

L1149[22:56:32] <williewillus> oh lol

L1150[22:56:50] <gigaherz> iirc, he imported the eclipse project into netbeans

L1151[22:56:57] <gigaherz> which means it may have become decoupled from gradle

L1152[22:57:50] <illyohs> woundn't it be simpler to use netbean's gradle plugin and import the project?

L1153[22:58:15] <gigaherz> possibly, but you'd still haveto configure the run targets

L1154[22:58:21] <gigaherz> to use GradleStart / GradleStartServer

L1155[22:58:25] <williewillus> not trying to start a flamewar, but since I've never used it...what does netbeans offer over something like eclipse? :p

L1156[22:58:33] <gigaherz> which is what "gradlew genIntellijRuns" does for you

L1157[22:59:06] <H1N1theI> williewillus: Well, it's not eclipse.

L1158[22:59:11] <H1N1theI> I mean. That's one point.

L1159[22:59:20] <H1N1theI> (Everything I say is in jest)

L1160[22:59:23] <karlthepagan> netbeans does javafx really well, and some of the builders are nice

L1161[22:59:27] <karlthepagan> the gui builders

L1162[22:59:28] <gigaherz> last time I used netbeans, it was faster, used less memory, and the UI made more sense

L1163[22:59:46] <karlthepagan> I'll stick with eclipsemasterrace

L1164[22:59:53] <williewillus> ideamasterrace

L1165[23:00:03] <williewillus> especially since I get it for free through .edu :D

L1166[23:00:13] <illyohs> gimv + eclim <3

L1167[23:00:17] <karlthepagan> kidding, i mean ideamasterrace... just paid for my subscription

L1168[23:00:24] <H1N1theI> From my experience with Eclipse CDT and Netbeans C++... I can say, between the two, I'd go for MSVC++.

L1169[23:00:27] <H1N1theI> :P

L1170[23:00:33] <H1N1theI> Except linux. RIP dreams.

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L1172[23:00:50] <Floppy012> Ive got it to run now using the netbeans gradle plugin. Debugging is still kind of idiotish. Currently I connect to a debugger deamon and every time i try to update the code I get this log http://hastebin.com/bukicokosu.m and the code changes dont apply

L1173[23:02:08] <gigaherz> H1N1theI: well ms opensourced the .NET framework (parts of), opensourced VSCode, andi s planning on opensourcing the javascript engine they developed for Edge

L1174[23:02:18] <gigaherz> maybe they'll opensource the Visual Studio core someday ;P

L1175[23:02:34] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: ...As a C++ dev. That is only prompts more tears.

L1176[23:02:52] <gigaherz> there's also the clang stuff they are working on

L1177[23:03:19] <williewillus> QTCreator is the nicest C/Cpp ide I've found on linux

L1178[23:03:21] <H1N1theI> As a GCC user... Eh, what the hell, maybe it's finally time to switch to a more modern compiler. :P

L1179[23:03:24] <williewillus> and JetBrains CLion too

L1180[23:03:26] <gigaherz> iirc the latest version of vs (2015.1) comes with "clang with mscodegen" which is a clang frontend that uses msvc code generation engine

L1181[23:03:39] <illyohs> williewillus: best on everything :P

L1182[23:03:44] <gigaherz> so porting apps from other platforms to windows is easier

L1183[23:04:02] <H1N1theI> That's cool.

L1184[23:04:26] <williewillus> should I attempt to learn clojure or scala over my break :p

L1185[23:04:32] <H1N1theI> illyohs: Even debugging, syntax highlighting and all?

L1186[23:04:35] <H1N1theI> williewillus: Haskell.

L1187[23:04:48] <illyohs> hmm?

L1188[23:05:10] <gigaherz> Code::Blocks was really nice last time I used it

L1189[23:05:18] <williewillus> qtcreator stomps all over codeblocks

L1190[23:05:25] <H1N1theI> illyohs: More so than VSC++?

L1191[23:05:31] <gigaherz> and I remember KDevelop being decent like 10 years ago, but I don't know if I can trust those memories

L1192[23:06:24] <illyohs> H1N1theI: I like it more than VS mainly for linux reasons and I thinks its more straight forward IMO atleast

L1193[23:06:51] <H1N1theI> illyohs: Hm, maybe I'll give it a try.

L1194[23:08:54] <illyohs> That plus its Vim emulater makes me happy :D

L1195[23:09:21] <H1N1theI> So, em, the original reason I came on here... Does anyone have any opinion on creating energy systems... Is it really worth it in this date and time, or should I just piggyback off of RF or what not?

L1196[23:09:46] <gigaherz> I suggest using RF

L1197[23:09:50] <H1N1theI> illyohs: Ew, vim. Emacs is clearly superior to your "modal editor." I prefer arthritis over tap-ability, thank you very much. :P

L1198[23:09:51] <gigaherz> unless you REALLY need something different

L1199[23:10:19] <gigaherz> and the reasoning is simple: https://xkcd.com/927/

L1200[23:10:24] <williewillus> use RF unless youre doing something extremely different or unique (physics based or whatnot)

L1201[23:10:25] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: I'm just hesitant to base my mod off of existing libraries... Bad case of "inhouse" syndrome. :P

L1202[23:10:38] <williewillus> people are going to clamor for a bridge anyway

L1203[23:10:39] <williewillus> so

L1204[23:10:44] <gigaherz> yeah

L1205[23:10:59] <gigaherz> you'll end up implementing RF either way

L1206[23:11:12] <gigaherz> unless someone manages to completely replace the #1 energy api

L1207[23:11:32] <gigaherz> you could do a bit like Applied energistics, which has a completely different concept of "energy"

L1208[23:11:43] <gigaherz> but still accepts RF seamlessly

L1209[23:11:57] <illyohs> H1N1theI: https://xkcd.com/378/

L1210[23:12:25] <H1N1theI> illyohs: Ha

L1211[23:12:39] <tterrag> H1N1theI: RF is very implementation agnostic

L1212[23:12:42] <H1N1theI> illyohs: I have a friend who runs evil mode and claims it to be literally text-editor-jesus.

L1213[23:12:44] <tterrag> you can do whatever you want behind the scenes

L1214[23:13:03] <tterrag> it's purely a power communication standard between mods

L1215[23:13:17] <H1N1theI> Ok. I see. Thanks for your advice everyone. :D

L1216[23:14:59] <H1N1theI> Uh, just one question. What's the general update lag time for RF?

L1217[23:15:09] <gigaherz> you can use one of those "fancy" brain interfaces, that measure your brain activity,

L1218[23:15:13] <gigaherz> and then show you different keywords

L1219[23:15:19] <gigaherz> and detect the fluctuation when you see the right one

L1220[23:15:37] <gigaherz> H1N1theI: update lag?

L1221[23:15:50] <gigaherz> RF doesn't care about such things

L1222[23:15:55] <gigaherz> in the RF api

L1223[23:15:59] <gigaherz> you have providers

L1224[23:16:01] <gigaherz> receivers

L1225[23:16:06] <gigaherz> and containers

L1226[23:16:17] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: ...Out of the water here in Java, what's a provider, reciever, and containers?

L1227[23:16:27] <gigaherz> IEnergyReceiver is the main one

L1228[23:16:33] <gigaherz> it means the block can accept RF

L1229[23:16:43] <gigaherz> how this energy is transferred? up to you.

L1230[23:16:52] <H1N1theI> Is it, like, haskell-esque generic typeclasses?

L1231[23:16:59] <gigaherz> it's an interface

L1232[23:17:19] <gigaherz> you ask the World object to give you the TileEntity at a certain position in the world

L1233[23:17:22] <H1N1theI> Actually, let me just read the code.

L1234[23:17:30] <gigaherz> then check if this TileEntity implements IEnergyReceiver

L1235[23:17:31] <gigaherz> and if so

L1236[23:17:34] <gigaherz> you can "give" it energy

L1237[23:17:39] <gigaherz> how many, and how often? up to you.

L1238[23:18:12] <gigaherz> how much*

L1239[23:18:20] <gigaherz> side question

L1240[23:18:24] <gigaherz> are you on 1.7.10 or 1.8+?

L1241[23:18:34] <H1N1theI> 1.8.8. I'm bleeeeding edge.

L1242[23:18:46] <gigaherz> okay then you'll need a 1..8.8-worthy variant of the RF api

L1243[23:18:50] <H1N1theI> Just an edgy teen here running edgy teen stuff. Don't mind me. :P

L1244[23:18:51] <gigaherz> since the original one was designed for 1.7.10

L1245[23:19:06] <H1N1theI> Is the git repo not up to date?

L1246[23:19:20] <gigaherz> the cofh team are not interested in 1.8+ at the moment

L1247[23:19:33] <H1N1theI> ...Ah.

L1248[23:19:35] <gigaherz> our primary source for RF api in 1.8+ is the Progressive Automation mod

L1249[23:19:36] <gigaherz> https://github.com/Vanhal/ProgressiveAutomation/tree/1.8/src/main/java/cofh/api

L1250[23:19:45] <gigaherz> which forked the RF api and ported it to 1.8

L1251[23:19:59] <gigaherz> being unofficial, it could happen that the "official" RF api turns out to be incompatible

L1252[23:20:01] <gigaherz> but lacking one

L1253[23:20:09] <gigaherz> the PA-variant will have to do.

L1254[23:20:23] <gigaherz> there's already a bunch of mods that are being developed with that RF api variant in mind

L1255[23:20:40] <H1N1theI> Is it standalone or what?

L1256[23:20:51] <tterrag> I do wish they'd update the API at least

L1257[23:20:58] <tterrag> but CoFH are stubborn

L1258[23:21:11] <tterrag> note they've only updated about half of the API

L1259[23:21:49] <gigaherz> H1N1theI: the "cofh/api" folder can be imported into other mods

L1260[23:21:49] <karlthepagan> seems like something I should support in my multi-dimension mod

L1261[23:21:56] <gigaherz> FML takes care of deduplicating api folders

L1262[23:22:04] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: I mean, like licencing or what not?

L1263[23:22:17] <gigaherz> most notable one: http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/minecraft-mods/2379480-flux-ducts

L1264[23:22:23] <gigaherz> this is designed to use the PA-variant RF api

L1265[23:23:05] <tterrag> H1N1theI: all of CoFHLib is LGPLv3

L1266[23:23:12] <tterrag> so what PA has done is perfectly legal

L1267[23:23:16] <gigaherz> H1N1theI: LGPLv3

L1268[23:23:30] <H1N1theI> You know what, I might just decide to do my own. :/ Something a litte more rate-based instead of unit based.

L1269[23:23:36] <H1N1theI> Thanks for your help though.

L1270[23:24:02] <tterrag> well, if it makes you feel any better, you are hitting the right part of the cycle to do that

L1271[23:24:07] <tterrag> not many 1.8.8 tech mods atm

L1272[23:24:24] <tterrag> if you were developing on 1.7.10 you'd have no chance

L1273[23:24:59] <H1N1theI> Heh, looks like the stars aligned for me. :P

L1274[23:25:04] <gigaherz> yeah

L1275[23:25:11] <gigaherz> it's the "spring" of 1.8 modding

L1276[23:25:29] <gigaherz> lots of mods sprouting all over the place

L1277[23:25:29] <H1N1theI> I could always wait for 1.9. :P

L1278[23:25:33] <gigaherz> nah

L1279[23:25:39] <gigaherz> 1.9 won't happen right after release like 1.8 did

L1280[23:25:43] <gigaherz> the forge team made it clear

L1281[23:25:52] <gigaherz> they dont' want the same shit to happen all over again

L1282[23:25:58] <gigaherz> where they can't play catch-up with mc patches

L1283[23:26:04] <gigaherz> and forge ends up being horribly outdated

L1284[23:26:20] <gigaherz> they'll wait for the initial set of 1.9.x updates to settle

L1285[23:26:23] <gigaherz> and then release

L1286[23:26:31] <tterrag> which tbh I think is not what happened

L1287[23:26:45] <tterrag> they could have kept up with 1.8.x but then mojang through the LVT curveball

L1288[23:26:48] <tterrag> that's not going to happen again

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L1290[23:27:29] <gigaherz> tterrag: there's also the issue of having mods spread over many versions

L1291[23:27:38] <gigaherz> having stuff made for 1.9.0 stuff made for .1 stuff made for .2 etc

L1292[23:27:48] <tterrag> srg fixes most of those issues

L1293[23:27:52] <tterrag> but that's always been a problem

L1294[23:27:53] <gigaherz> true

L1295[23:27:56] <tterrag> I don't see an advantage to waiting tbh

L1296[23:28:11] <H1N1theI> Interesting.

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L1298[23:31:56] <gigaherz> also, developing for 1.8.8 is a good way to learn meanwhile

L1299[23:32:13] <gigaherz> even if 1.9 suddenly appeared

L1300[23:32:21] <gigaherz> you'd just have to refresh a few things

L1301[23:33:02] <LexManos> doing 1.7- work will just hinder you if you tocuh anything but the basics esp rendering

L1302[23:33:09] <tterrag> soo, who knows a lot about icon stuff? this is mostly version agnostic I think (dealing with TextureAtlasSprites)

L1303[23:33:10] <gigaherz> this isn't about 1.7

L1304[23:33:16] <LexManos> its not like people say, the 'old render' isnt coming back

L1305[23:33:16] <gigaherz> this is about 1.8.8 or wait for 1.9

L1306[23:33:28] <LexManos> go for 1.8

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L1308[23:34:49] <LexManos> and 1.8.8 is just a cleaner version of 1.8

L1309[23:34:57] <H1N1theI> Er, so, I couldn't find this anywhere, but is there, like... Any sort of codified javadoc/list of all the API calls or what not?

L1310[23:35:55] <LexManos> should really make FG generate the javadocs page...

L1311[23:35:59] <gigaherz> the default environment comes with javadocs included in the source

L1312[23:36:06] <LexManos> and add a shortcut to the project directory

L1313[23:36:10] <gigaherz> but I'm not aware of any website with pretty-printed javadocs

L1314[23:36:29] <LexManos> Sadly we cant provide that website because a lot of the javadocs are mcp mapping specific

L1315[23:36:42] <LexManos> and nobody has stepped forward to make the site that lets you pick the mapping version

L1316[23:37:58] <tterrag> provide it in srg and make people use bspkrs' chrome plugin :P

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L1318[23:39:07] <LexManos> except n o that wouldnt work

L1319[23:39:15] <LexManos> as that doesnt apply the javadocs side of the mappings

L1320[23:39:32] <LexManos> i was more thinking of a website that we provide with a json version of the minecraft.jar

L1321[23:40:36] <LexManos> then it uses javascript to generate the pretty version

L1322[23:40:41] <LexManos> because that isnt hard just annoying to do

L1323[23:41:10] <gigaherz> rest service with like /docs/<date>/[cmf]/<name> that returns the data, together with a frontend that uses web requests to dynamically fetch info

L1324[23:41:42] <gigaherz> I don't have the patience to deal with web stuff though

L1325[23:41:50] <LexManos> whelp im out to watch a hearftfelt chreistmas movie

L1326[23:41:51] <LexManos> later

L1327[23:41:58] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: ...You're using rest to basically fetch html? :P

L1328[23:41:59] <gigaherz> cya

L1329[23:42:01] <H1N1theI> cya

L1330[23:42:08] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: I mean... That seems... A bit extreme?

L1331[23:42:13] <H1N1theI> Er, redundant.

L1332[23:42:38] <illyohs> and when he comes back he shal teach us the true meaning of christmas

L1333[23:42:40] <gigaherz> H1N1theI: no it can return json, and then use javascript to trnaslate the json into html ;P

L1334[23:42:56] <karlthepagan> gigaherz, web stuff you say

L1335[23:43:11] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: I'll go jump off of my self-made cliff now.

L1336[23:43:11] <gigaherz> this way you annoy the heck out of anyone who dislike dynamic content

L1337[23:43:11] <gigaherz> Xd

L1338[23:43:20] <H1N1theI> Good bye cruel, hipster world.

L1339[23:43:29] <gigaherz> but really

L1340[23:43:36] <H1N1theI> With all of your MongoDBs and REST APIs.

L1341[23:43:39] <gigaherz> that's how dynamic pages work

L1342[23:43:45] <H1N1theI> Actually, is REST still "hipster" tech?

L1343[23:43:48] <gigaherz> using httpwebrequest to fetch sections of the page

L1344[23:43:50] <gigaherz> no

L1345[23:43:55] <gigaherz> RESTful APIs are the norm

L1346[23:44:17] <karlthepagan> REST is old and busted, jsonapi.org is the new hipster tech H1N1theI

L1347[23:44:20] <karlthepagan> ;)

L1348[23:44:42] <H1N1theI> Ok, I started screwing around in web stuff when it was still mostly AJAX...

L1349[23:44:54] <H1N1theI> Actually, did that go through SOAP or what?

L1350[23:45:32] <karlthepagan> H1N1theI, it was rest-y ... AJAX -> Comet -> WebSockets

L1351[23:45:33] <H1N1theI> karlthepagan: Along with NoSQL and ruby servelets running inside of docker instances?

L1352[23:45:46] <karlthepagan> gigaherz, tell me more about this web thing you want

L1353[23:45:47] <gigaherz> AJAX was a rudimentary REST

L1354[23:45:48] <gigaherz> ;P

L1355[23:45:58] <gigaherz> karlthepagan: not that *I* want, it just would benefit forge

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L1357[23:46:03] <H1N1theI> karlthepagan: You know. I was too young to actually understand what the hell I was doing, so I'll just say I know nothing. :P

L1358[23:46:20] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: That's what they said about NoSQL... But...

L1359[23:46:27] <gigaherz> "Sadly we cant provide that website because a lot of the javadocs are mcp mapping specific and nobody has stepped forward to make the site that lets you pick the mapping version"

L1360[23:46:30] <karlthepagan> gigaherz, would this be a gradle task to download the docs?

L1361[23:46:50] <gigaherz> no, a website that serves javadocs with user-selectable mappings version

L1362[23:47:01] <gigaherz> hence why I thought of a RESTful api

L1363[23:48:05] <karlthepagan> a web frontend to MCPbot? ;)

L1364[23:48:28] <karlthepagan> maybe I'm not getting the use-case

L1365[23:48:31] <gigaherz> I suppose

L1366[23:48:44] <H1N1theI> Er, sorry to be such a massive bother, but does anyone know what to map runDir to and/or any other directories to set up a multi-project gradel workspace?

L1367[23:48:49] <H1N1theI> I haven't figured it out yet.

L1368[23:49:14] <gigaherz> karlthepagan: think MSDN or Unity Script Reference, but for Minecraft+Forge ;P

L1369[23:49:21] <gigaherz> or at least that's the way I see it

L1370[23:49:40] <gigaherz> maybe not what lex was thinking

L1371[23:49:47] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: Isn't that... Just a javadoc? ;P

L1372[23:49:52] <killjoy1> H1N1theI, for root, I just use 'run'

L1373[23:50:00] <killjoy1> for subprojects, rootProject.minecraft.runDir

L1374[23:50:08] <karlthepagan> gigaherz, copyright peril?

L1375[23:50:10] <gigaherz> H1N1theI: does a javadoc let you choose "view this for another version <enter version here>"

L1376[23:50:28] <H1N1theI> gigaherz: IFrames! Kappa (this is kappa-worthy)

L1377[23:50:45] <gigaherz> karlthepagan: ? Javadocs are annotations in the comment

L1378[23:50:50] <H1N1theI> killjoy1: Could you explain a little bit more?

L1379[23:50:52] <gigaherz> that can be processed into HTML pages

L1380[23:50:55] <illyohs> I just symlink to another folder for my runs

L1381[23:51:10] <gigaherz> those HTML pages represent the info in the methods fields and classes

L1382[23:51:20] <gigaherz> the way you see them in like, the Java documentation pages

L1383[23:51:24] <H1N1theI> illyohs: That allows for multiple mods to depend include eachother?

L1384[23:51:33] <karlthepagan> gigaherz, structure of the classes may be encumbered... thanks Oracle v Google

L1385[23:51:37] <killjoy1> minecraft{runDir = 'run'};subprojects{minecraft{runDir = rootProject.minecraft.runDir}}

L1386[23:51:38] <H1N1theI> Like, source include?

L1387[23:51:40] <karlthepagan> "apis are copyrightable"

L1388[23:51:55] <tterrag> so I guess I'll just go ahead and ask

L1389[23:51:59] <tterrag> I have this hacky class here https://github.com/SleepyTrousers/EnderCore/blob/master/src/main/java/com/enderio/core/client/gui/serverlist/ServerListHandler.java#L52-L118

L1390[23:52:06] <tterrag> meant to be a "fake" clock icon

L1391[23:52:17] <tterrag> the problem is that only one works, any further ones just look like the first one

L1392[23:52:25] <gigaherz> karlthepagan: the names are provided by forge, though ;P

L1393[23:52:33] <tterrag> I think it's because I'm uploading the texture under the same ID, so I need to probably make each one their own GL id

L1394[23:52:35] <gigaherz> Minecraft being obfuscated and all

L1395[23:52:37] <tterrag> anyone got any ideas?

L1396[23:52:42] <gigaherz> anyhow

L1397[23:52:55] <H1N1theI> Wait, I'm a bloody idiot.

L1398[23:53:03] <karlthepagan> gigaherz, understood... but I don't think i'd host this project ;)

L1399[23:53:11] <gigaherz> sure

L1400[23:53:16] <gigaherz> we were just talking

L1401[23:53:27] <gigaherz> ;P

L1402[23:53:43] <karlthepagan> I'll throw down something...

L1403[23:53:46] <gigaherz> tterrag: reading what you said...

L1404[23:54:07] <gigaherz> ...yes.

L1405[23:54:29] <gigaherz> the TextureAtlasSprite update affects *ALL* items/blocks referring to the same sprite

L1406[23:54:30] <tterrag> yeah the texture gets set to whatever is updated last

L1407[23:54:35] <tterrag> right, figured

L1408[23:54:39] <tterrag> any ideas how I can fix that?

L1409[23:54:55] <gigaherz> hmmm

L1410[23:55:22] <gigaherz> easy way would be to bypass Minecraft, and have your own GL texture allocation "as needed"

L1411[23:55:32] <tterrag> right

L1412[23:55:33] <karlthepagan> can you access the metadata/tileentity from the texture?

L1413[23:55:36] <tterrag> and...I do that...how? :P

L1414[23:55:38] <gigaherz> but that has an issue: you can't tell when a texture is no longer needed

L1415[23:55:54] <tterrag> sure I can, once the GUi is closed

L1416[23:56:07] <gigaherz> ah this is for drawing in a GUI?

L1417[23:56:15] <tterrag> http://puu.sh/lL5p3.png

L1418[23:56:26] <tterrag> as you can see, that is not 6:14 AM

L1419[23:56:29] <gigaherz> Oh

L1420[23:56:47] <gigaherz> yeah then I'd suggest using custom drawing

L1421[23:56:52] <karlthepagan> oh, heh not a block

L1422[23:57:11] <gigaherz> I'd have to look up how to create a texture in opengl

L1423[23:57:13] <gigaherz> been ages

L1424[23:57:54] <tterrag> blech

L1425[23:57:56] <gigaherz> but it was something like glGenTextures(number), glTexImagesomething

L1426[23:58:24] <gigaherz> then bind each texture as needed

L1427[23:59:13] <tterrag> alternatively, I could upload the mipmap every frame, per render

L1428[23:59:14] <tterrag> :>

L1429[23:59:26] <tterrag> (joking)

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