OCLogs: 2015-07-17.log

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L1[00:00:13] <Unh0ly_Tigg> so, speedMultiplier becomes ~0.973D, and that's greater than 0.07D, so, the inner if in the else statement doesn't run.

L2[00:00:21] <Unh0ly_Tigg> and that process continues.

L3[00:01:01] <Unh0ly_Tigg> there's a speed that the boat will try to attain over time, but there's technically no maximum, it will just slow itself down over updates

L4[00:01:23] <VikeStep> hmm

L5[00:02:03] <VikeStep> so 33.25 is what it approaches?

L6[00:02:22] <Unh0ly_Tigg> don't know

L7[00:03:10] <Unh0ly_Tigg> if speedMultiplier was set to say, 100, after that else code runs, the multiplier is ~97.145

L8[00:03:38] <Ri5ux> You'd have better like starting from scratch. Boats suck.

L9[00:03:44] <VikeStep> yeah haha

L10[00:04:17] <VikeStep> Unh0ly_Tigg, the mathematical problem I saw was lines 344 - 352 btw

L11[00:04:32] <VikeStep> they forgot to undo the squaring

L12[00:04:54] <VikeStep> so if it did recalculate d2 it wouldnt actually be 0.35D

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L14[00:07:38] <Unh0ly_Tigg> so, ~1 second after speedMultiplier was set to 100 (presuming perfect 20tps), the multiplier would actually be ~56.035. It slows down a lot, but maybe setting the multiplier to a certain number every X ticks would help keep the speed up.

L15[00:10:51] <VikeStep> yeah, seems so

L16[00:11:33] <VikeStep> however, having said that, it still caps motionx and motionz anyways

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L25[00:48:06] <Genuine> Anybody here used Azul's JVM?

L26[00:49:04] <Genuine> Zulu it's called.

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L31[01:04:54] <Laceh> http://i.imgur.com/y8SQN1E.png :D

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L45[01:48:08] <tmtu> Genuine: it's hardware specific and made for ginormous heap sizes

L46[01:48:41] <tmtu> Genuine: cooler stuff: https://cowlark.com/cgi-bin/fossil.cgi/luje/doc/stable/doc/index.wiki

L47[01:48:52] <Genuine> Looks like it, looks like it's specific to blocking free GC.

L48[01:49:07] <Genuine> For Azul's 1k CPU machines and what not.

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L57[02:04:01] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Pushing snapshot_20150717 mappings to Forge Maven.

L58[02:04:04] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Maven upload successful for mcp_snapshot-20150717-1.8.zip (mappings = "snapshot_20150717" in build.gradle).

L59[02:04:15] <MCPBot_Reborn> Semi-live (every 10 min), Snapshot (daily ~3:00 EST), and Stable (committed) MCPBot mapping exports can be found here: http://export.mcpbot.bspk.rs/

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L91[03:43:28] <Subaraki> anyone knows where the under water vision (watersource drwn to screen + distance reduction) is set ?

L92[03:43:42] <Subaraki> ive got a fluid and when i'm in it , i'd like it to be very transparent

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L103[04:03:17] <Baburek> How to prevent a block to emit light after world loaded? I'm using getLightValue() method based on metadata of the block, but some my blocks emits light after the world loaded despite of the method returns 0. Here is the getLightValueMethod http://pastebin.com/TsyW49cc

L104[04:03:59] <Baburek> Ant btw the blocks stops emit light after right click on them

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L107[04:09:14] <Subaraki> its th eupdate

L108[04:09:20] <Subaraki> start a new world

L109[04:09:45] <Subaraki> have you used .setLightValue somwwhere ?

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L111[04:13:56] <Baburek> I tried to use in the constructor with 0.0f argument but didn't help

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L116[04:29:55] <Subaraki> Baburek, why is your block emitting light in the first place ?

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L118[04:30:37] <Baburek> <Subaraki> in the first place?

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L120[04:30:49] <Subaraki> yeah

L121[04:30:56] <Subaraki> why is it emiting light ?

L122[04:31:01] <Subaraki> if you don't want it to

L123[04:31:21] <Baburek> Because it is a lamp

L124[04:31:26] <Subaraki> oh

L125[04:31:35] <Subaraki> and you want it to turn on or off right ?

L126[04:31:43] <sham1> Look at how redstone lamp does it

L127[04:31:54] <sham1> And then apply that to your caser

L128[04:32:11] <Baburek> I guess that redstone lamp uses 2 blocks

L129[04:32:16] <sham1> No

L130[04:32:18] <Baburek> Like a furnace

L131[04:32:21] <sham1> no

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L133[04:32:59] <ThePsionic> (actually it does sham1)

L134[04:33:13] <sham1> (Does redstone lamp use two blocks?)

L135[04:33:26] <Ordinastie> because world sensitive light level is added by forge

L136[04:33:32] <Wuppy> sham1, don't forget, the mc devs are exceptionally incompetent

L137[04:33:45] <sham1> True

L138[04:33:48] <ThePsionic> (Yes, ID 123 and 124 or minecraft:redstone_lamp and minecraft:lit_redstone_lamp sham1)

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L140[04:33:59] <sham1> what the shit

L141[04:34:13] <Baburek> http://pastebin.com/Q6c8ZgJJ

L142[04:34:26] <sham1> Eugh

L143[04:34:31] <ThePsionic> the more you know

L144[04:34:39] <sham1> Those names

L145[04:35:10] * ThePsionic dies seeing unmapped parameter names

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L148[04:39:59] <Wuppy> ThePsionic, I once saw a method where the x and y were mapped, but not the z

L149[04:40:05] <ThePsionic> mfw

L150[04:41:00] <Quetzi> if they bother you so much submit the mappings ;)

L151[04:41:14] <sham1> But it is 1.7...

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L153[04:42:38] <Wuppy> y u 1.7 :|

L154[04:42:45] <Wuppy> that's even worse than missing mappings

L155[04:42:49] <ThePsionic> lol

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L160[05:07:54] <laci200270> we love eclipse: http://pastebin.com/ZY7vjq2X maybe time to update it :D

L161[05:08:32] <sham1> You could also just jump into IDEA

L162[05:08:46] <laci200270> my computer doesn't love it

L163[05:09:02] <sham1> how aso

L164[05:09:19] <laci200270> when i'm using idea test MC dev get 3 fps with same configuration

L165[05:09:28] <laci200270> *MC env

L166[05:10:07] <laci200270> also IDEA have git support?

L167[05:10:31] <sham1> I'd really would love to use eclipse but it does not have a good night mode and the support for non-java languages can be really poor

L168[05:11:53] <laci200270> there is good addons for HTML(aptana studio) and have a theme manager so you can night mode

L169[05:12:42] <sham1> But I am not interested in HTML :C

L170[05:13:08] <laci200270> what lang you want to use?

L171[05:13:41] <laci200270> i maybe try idea

L172[05:13:43] <sham1> scala, I found a plugin but when I last used it, it was not able to code complete minecraft's methods

L173[05:13:46] <sham1> Yeah

L174[05:13:49] <sham1> You really should

L175[05:14:15] <laci200270> but I'm not delete eclipse :D

L176[05:14:22] <sham1> Well you dont need to

L177[05:15:25] <laci200270> this is the one thing that I'm not like in idea: https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/help/user-interface.html#d763697e117

L178[05:15:59] <sham1> No workspaces can be kinda annoying yes

L179[05:16:29] <sham1> But you can focus on one project at a tine

L180[05:16:33] <sham1> time*

L181[05:17:31] <laci200270> but if a got a headache from one project,I start focusing on another

L182[05:17:35] <laci200270> :D

L183[05:17:39] <sham1> multiple windows

L184[05:17:48] <laci200270> yes

L185[05:18:22] <sham1> I sorta find the workspaces messy sometimes

L186[05:19:10] <laci200270> idea supports hotswap?

L187[05:19:25] <sham1> Yes

L188[05:19:34] <sham1> You have to activate it manually though

L189[05:19:57] <laci200270> 20% downloaded of idea :D

L190[05:20:16] <sham1> It also has to be installed

L191[05:20:16] <laci200270> 3 minutes remainining

L192[05:20:22] <sham1> It is kinda big IDE

L193[05:20:24] <laci200270> yes i see

L194[05:20:30] <laci200270> 195 mb

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L196[05:20:53] <laci200270> i can install it in portable mode?

L197[05:21:15] <sham1> http://leolabs.org/blog/making-intellij-portable/

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L199[05:23:03] <laci200270> thanks :D

L200[05:23:06] <sham1> Argh the white

L201[05:23:08] <sham1> my eyes

L202[05:23:28] <laci200270> sham1: what is the time for you?

L203[05:23:34] <sham1> 13:23

L204[05:23:44] <laci200270> 12:23 for me :D

L205[05:24:07] <sham1> Where cometh youi

L206[05:24:32] <laci200270> hungary

L207[05:24:47] <sham1> Oh nice

L208[05:24:54] <sham1> Finland for me

L209[05:25:29] <laci200270> sham1: if you not like white: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/night-reading-mode/chcciiimjmlgcoabgfdhkfjdcgfpgndi

L210[05:25:37] <laci200270> a night mode plugin

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L212[05:25:53] <sham1> I have f.lux for what

L213[05:26:09] <sham1> But because sun is still up my screen is at the max brightness

L214[05:26:37] <sham1> Kinda obnoxious

L215[05:26:41] <laci200270> what 553 mb ide?

L216[05:26:54] <laci200270> the file was only 190 mb

L217[05:27:20] <laci200270> the compression rate looks good :D

L218[05:27:30] <sham1> mm

L219[05:27:42] <sham1> It really is a large IDE, but it is very feature-rich

L220[05:28:26] <laci200270> now time for run all my projects: gradlew idea

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L222[05:29:47] <ThePsionic> laci200270: don't do that

L223[05:30:06] <laci200270> what don't do?

L224[05:30:13] <sham1> With IDEA, you can import your project via gradle.build so you dont need to run gradlew idea

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L226[05:30:30] <laci200270> oh

L227[05:30:36] <ThePsionic> Exactly

L228[05:30:48] <ThePsionic> If you do it that way you also get the gradle sidebar in IntelliJ

L229[05:31:21] <sham1> SO you can for instance build your mod from IDEA

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L235[05:40:24] <Katielyn> What packet does forge send containing all the clients mods on pre login?

L236[05:41:36] <laci200270> for i import gralde project in idea I need to set a custom gradlewrapper or I can use the default which Idea gives?

L237[05:41:53] <sham1> you can use the default

L238[05:41:55] <sham1> It works

L239[05:41:58] <gigaherz> laci200270: I always choose "default"

L240[05:42:00] <laci200270> ok

L241[05:42:42] <Lumien> Katielyn in case you wanna access them NetworkDispatcher.modList

L242[05:42:58] <Katielyn> I'm not doing it from forge tho :P

L243[05:43:06] <Katielyn> I'm doing it from a middle man

L244[05:43:18] <Katielyn> aka Bungee

L245[05:44:16] <Lumien> Can't you access that using reflection or something?

L246[05:44:35] <Katielyn> Nope its completely standalone from the server.

L247[05:45:01] <diesieben07> its a packet custom payload on channel FML

L248[05:45:04] <Katielyn> But since i can get all the packets going to and from the server.

L249[05:45:22] <Katielyn> Hmm k

L250[05:46:13] <diesieben07> check FMLHandshakeMessage for the structure

L251[05:46:34] <diesieben07> and it will be prefixed by a byte 2 for the message ID

L252[05:46:44] <Katielyn> K

L253[05:48:38] <laci200270> idea shows everything except the sources :D

L254[05:51:28] <diesieben07> laci200270, then you didn't run setupDecompWorkspace

L255[05:52:10] <laci200270> ok I'll try again

L256[05:52:33] <diesieben07> wait did you run that *after* you imported?

L257[05:52:50] <gigaherz> "gradlew setupDecompWorkspace" -> import into idea -> close idea -> "gradlew genIntellijRuns" -> start idea -> profit

L258[05:53:06] <diesieben07> way to complicated :p

L259[05:53:13] <sham1> You dont even have to close idea there

L260[05:53:16] <diesieben07> you don't need to close idea

L261[05:53:16] <diesieben07> it detects it automatically

L262[05:53:25] <gigaherz> I'm paranoid about those things ;P

L263[05:53:25] <laci200270> I imported the gradle file

L264[05:53:39] <sham1> did you run setupDecompWorkspace

L265[05:53:45] <laci200270> no

L266[05:53:48] <diesieben07> ...

L267[05:53:51] <gigaherz> well that's the first step, always.

L268[05:53:57] <laci200270> i already run it when i imported to eclipse

L269[05:54:04] <gigaherz> on the same folder?

L270[05:54:10] <laci200270> yes

L271[05:54:21] <diesieben07> you also import first

L272[05:54:48] <laci200270> i just resterted idea and now works

L273[05:55:11] <diesieben07> and then run it from within idea

L274[05:55:17] <laci200270> *restarted

L275[05:56:30] <gigaherz> I used to contribute to the PCSX2 project, and years after it got the ability to apply settings on the fly, I still closed the emulator before trying those settings in a game ;P

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L278[05:57:32] <laci200270> idea looks much better than eclipse :D

L279[05:57:58] <sham1> yeh

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L281[05:58:22] <diesieben07> gigaherz, learn to trust the awesomeness that is JetBrains

L282[05:58:24] <ThePsionic> IDEA is great

L283[05:58:46] <gigaherz> diesieben07: I do.

L284[05:58:53] <gigaherz> I have been a fan of ReSharper for years ;P

L285[05:59:03] <diesieben07> :P

L286[05:59:10] <diesieben07> thats good :D

L287[05:59:40] <sham1> My repo is 55% scala and 45% java, andmost of the java is only because RF api

L288[05:59:57] <diesieben07> wut

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L290[06:00:04] <gigaherz> then you don't have much code at all? XD

L291[06:00:07] <ThePsionic> Fun fact, the IDE is called IntelliJ IDEA because JetBrains used to be called IntelliJ

L292[06:00:10] <gigaherz> the RF api isn't that large XD

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L294[06:00:23] <sham1> :P

L295[06:00:27] <sham1> No I really dont

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L297[06:00:50] <gigaherz> my mod repos are mostly java+json ;P

L298[06:01:00] <ThePsionic> I'll check what my mod repo is

L299[06:01:01] <gigaherz> scala... was not designed to my tastes.

L300[06:01:03] <laci200270> gigaherz, in 1.8?

L301[06:01:06] <gigaherz> yes

L302[06:01:14] <ThePsionic> it says 100% Java

L303[06:01:26] <gigaherz> mine probably does too, I can't be arsed to look

L304[06:01:27] <gigaherz> XD

L305[06:01:32] <ThePsionic> which is pretty much correct tbh

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L307[06:01:36] <ThePsionic> never used scala

L308[06:02:27] <sham1> It is very cool

L309[06:02:43] <gigaherz> Java 99.8% Batchfile 0.2%

L310[06:02:46] <gigaherz> for my main mod

L311[06:02:51] <ThePsionic> The only other programming language I've extensively used is LUA

L312[06:03:07] <tmtu> Lua*

L313[06:03:11] <sham1> Oh that lua

L314[06:03:12] <ThePsionic> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

L315[06:03:17] <gigaherz> I'm primarily a C# developer, with C/C++ second, and Java third

L316[06:03:20] <tmtu> do you also say JAVA :)?

L317[06:03:22] <ThePsionic> LUA Lua lua you know what I mean

L318[06:03:24] <ThePsionic> No

L319[06:03:36] <ThePsionic> But Lua makes more sense as an acronym imo

L320[06:03:38] <sham1> I do mostly java and/or scala and C/C++

L321[06:03:52] <tmtu> it's a word

L322[06:04:31] <PaleoCrafter> It's 'moon' in various romance languages

L323[06:04:37] <ThePsionic> tmtu: it apparently means moon in Portoguese

L324[06:04:49] <ThePsionic> I also cannot spell but yeah

L325[06:04:53] <ThePsionic> #TheMoreYouKnow

L326[06:04:56] <sham1> lua

L327[06:05:04] <sham1> NBecause Luna means also moon

L328[06:05:07] <ThePsionic> Lua (/ˈluːə/ LOO-ə, from Portuguese: lua [ˈlu.(w)ɐ] meaning moon; explicitly not "LUA"[1])

L329[06:05:13] <ThePsionic> It's the first line on Wikipedia :P

L330[06:05:30] <gigaherz> heh, it's Luna in spanish, Lluna in catalan

L331[06:05:52] <PaleoCrafter> Lua people get pretty mad if you make it an acronym

L332[06:06:05] <ThePsionic> http://www.lua.org/about.html#name I'll go

L333[06:06:08] <sham1> heh

L334[06:06:33] <sham1> I really cant say anything about lua peoples

L335[06:07:06] <laci200270> i'm love this error message @Mod not applicable to type

L336[06:07:19] <laci200270> and this is with every forge stuff

L337[06:07:44] <sham1> Did you refresh your project from the gradle tab

L338[06:08:07] <laci200270> where is the gradle tab?

L339[06:08:26] <sham1> on the right-hand side

L340[06:08:40] <laci200270> oh

L341[06:08:41] <sham1> At least should be there

L342[06:08:54] <laci200270> now good

L343[06:09:07] <laci200270> idea recognizes typos :D

L344[06:09:13] <sham1> ,mmmm'

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L360[06:35:10] <Zlepper> Is there really no onChat event? Or am i missing something?

L361[06:35:38] <diesieben07> ServerChatEvent

L362[06:35:57] <Zlepper> But nothing on the client only?

L363[06:36:05] <diesieben07> ClientChatReceievedEvent

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L369[06:41:41] <Subaraki> anyone has some knowledge with custom liquids ?

L370[06:41:49] <Subaraki> mine doesnt create infite sources as water can

L371[06:41:58] <Subaraki> and i'd like to get rid of the breathing timer ?

L372[06:42:53] <diesieben07> for the breathing timer set Material to something that is not Material.water

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L375[06:43:32] <Subaraki> aha ! good idea :)

L376[06:49:01] <Subaraki> now i can't swim in it xD

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L378[06:49:44] <gigaherz> you could make your own Material, but it's annoying because some of the initialization methods are private ¬¬

L379[06:49:51] <Subaraki> ::

L380[06:49:53] <Subaraki> :/

L381[06:50:10] <gigaherz> still, it can be done

L382[06:50:15] <gigaherz> you just have to override extra methods

L383[06:50:26] <Subaraki> i made the same liquid a few versions back

L384[06:50:27] <diesieben07> well, don't knwo then

L385[06:50:27] <diesieben07> but the air timer checks for metarial water

L386[06:50:27] <diesieben07> probably Material.isLiquid

L387[06:50:27] <diesieben07> override that

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L389[06:50:39] <Subaraki> k

L390[06:50:54] <gigaherz> hmm wouldn't isLiquid also remove the ability to swim?

L391[06:51:16] <diesieben07> well, you have to make that true :P

L392[06:51:23] <diesieben07> the breathing is hardcoded to material water

L393[06:51:29] <gigaherz> Oh

L394[06:51:42] <gigaherz> you don't get breath timer when you dive into lava?

L395[06:52:00] <diesieben07> no

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L440[08:00:55] <laci200270> where can I toggle hotswap in idea?

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L442[08:05:19] <sham1> Here: https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/help/debugger-hotswap.html

L443[08:06:26] <laci200270> thanks

L444[08:06:52] <sham1> Also: https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/help/reloading-classes.html

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L459[08:56:10] <Ri5ux> Is there any way to optimize a minecraft server running on a machine that I tend to use as my main machine? Hardware can easily handle it(quad core xeon @ 4ghz w/ hyperthreading, 24GBs system memory), but I'm wondering if Windows is efficient enough to do this, or if I should be using a dedicated system for it. Reason I'm asking is because the server keeps skipping ticks after being 2-4K behind.

L460[08:56:51] <Ri5ux> 4GBs of system memory is dedicated to the server using -Xms4G and -Xmx4G.

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L466[09:09:10] <simon816> Ri5ux, first step is to not use the server GUI if you are

L467[09:09:21] <simon816> use -nogui

L468[09:09:32] <Ri5ux> I was making that mistake, just added that argument.

L469[09:12:04] <Ri5ux> Anything else I should/shouldn't be doing?

L470[09:14:11] <simon816> I don't really know what you can do. I think you should reduce -Xms to a lower value like 256M because I think the JVM will try to allocate 4GB at all times using your arguments there

L471[09:15:57] <Ri5ux> Is that a bad thing? I mean, the server should have as much memory as it can get, right?

L472[09:17:09] <simon816> not if it's not using it. I'm not an expert though

L473[09:18:24] <Ri5ux> The rest of the system has 20GBs of memory left over to use, so I don't see why giving it all of the 4GBs at all times should be a problem, but if I'll try both ways.

L474[09:18:46] <Ri5ux> but I'll*

L475[09:19:30] <Quetzi> Xms and Xmx matching isn't a problem, in fact it will often help

L476[09:26:11] <heldplayer> If you have 24GB, 4 GB shouldn't matter

L477[09:26:54] <heldplayer> Adding on to what Q said, if they match you won't have lag spikes when the JVM has to increase permgen space

L478[09:29:17] <Ri5ux> I was thinking that too

L479[09:30:29] <Zlepper> When listening for keypresses, it seems that when you press return to send a message in chat, the key doesn't actually register as "pressed" for some reason?

L480[09:36:40] <Ordinastie> because the GUI catches them

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L482[09:37:25] <Zlepper> Well the event still happens, but what keys are pressed then?

L483[09:38:27] <yueh> except that the permgen is completely unrelated to the heap

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L504[10:23:07] * laci200270 can't start a project in idea

L505[10:23:33] <laci200270> The supplied javaHome seems to be invalid. I cannot find the java executable. Tried location: D:\Program Files (x86)\JetBrains\IntelliJ IDEA Community Edition 14.1.4\jre\bin\java.exe

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L523[10:48:57] <laci200270> there is no button in idea hotkey to "create class"

L524[10:49:00] <laci200270> ?

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L527[10:51:34] <danielhuisman_> http://stackoverflow.com/a/2249553

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L530[10:52:55] <laci200270> yeah ,I already saw that but i'm want similar such as "c" button in eclipse

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L537[11:05:31] <Ivorius> laci200270: https://imgrush.com/twh5CT1rwlj5

L538[11:05:34] <Ivorius> I never liked that button

L539[11:05:37] <Ivorius> But you can do it

L540[11:05:54] <laci200270> thanks

L541[11:09:14] <MattDahEpic> i cant wait till 1.9 for all the pvp changes like shields and stuff. its gunna be sooo cool

L542[11:13:35] <laci200270> MattDahEpic, have you seen battlegear 2 mod?

L543[11:14:01] <MattDahEpic> yes, but the fact that it's in vanilla. and the end stuff

L544[11:14:12] <MattDahEpic> multiple enderdragons will be cool

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L546[11:22:01] <Ivorius> Honestly I think the end stuff is gimmicky

L547[11:22:06] <Ivorius> It was supposed to be desolate

L548[11:22:15] <Ivorius> Now it feels like an unimmersive kitchen sink again

L549[11:22:32] <Ivorius> Like most sandboxes tend to feel after some time

L550[11:22:56] <Ivorius> Imo they should have placed the new stuff in a new dimension more fitting

L551[11:24:13] <MattDahEpic> thing is, the end is only good for building farms in at this pooint

L552[11:24:13] <MattDahEpic> theres nothing past that

L553[11:24:13] <MattDahEpic> it needed mroe

L554[11:24:13] <MattDahEpic> the new stuff is way far out apparently though

L555[11:24:14] <MattDahEpic> so the end will stay somewhat the same for the main island

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L557[11:25:48] <laci200270> MattDahEpic, the end is good for enderman farm

L558[11:25:51] <williewillus> I just wish they'd pick up the pace when adding content

L559[11:25:57] <williewillus> just look at terraria

L560[11:26:53] <Ivorius> The end is not supposed to be 'for' anything

L561[11:26:56] <Ivorius> it's the end

L562[11:26:58] <Ivorius> It's a boss arena

L563[11:27:18] <laci200270> yes

L564[11:27:26] <Ivorius> If you fill every single place with 5000 uses it's unrealistically crowded

L565[11:27:45] <MattDahEpic> im just looking forward to the dungeons and levitation potions

L566[11:27:45] <MattDahEpic> im just wondering if thery'll be changes to how end portals work, like if each one will take you to a diffrent place in the end, like nether portals

L567[11:27:46] <laci200270> after the end you shouldn't do anything in vanilla

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L569[11:28:22] <Ivorius> That's not really what I mean, but whatever :p

L570[11:29:19] <MattDahEpic> i agree it needs more, but where would one put it? the end is the least crowded place right now

L571[11:29:19] <MattDahEpic> nether is saturated and overworld has too much already

L572[11:29:26] <williewillus> nether is not saturated

L573[11:29:29] <williewillus> there is nothing there

L574[11:29:39] <laci200270> http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/hierarchy.png

L575[11:29:41] <laci200270> :D

L576[11:29:41] <williewillus> other than terrain that is a pita

L577[11:29:58] <MattDahEpic> fortresses

L578[11:30:30] <tmtu> wait, shields and pvp?

L579[11:30:32] <williewillus> you really think forts are fleshed out?

L580[11:30:35] <tmtu> that sounds fun

L581[11:30:38] <williewillus> its broken structure bits

L582[11:30:41] <williewillus> with some blaze spawners

L583[11:30:45] <Ivorius> laci200270: Should just be a giant circle

L584[11:30:46] <williewillus> and maybe some chests if you're lucky

L585[11:30:50] <Ivorius> With everything connecting everywhere

L586[11:30:55] <Ivorius> That table makes no sense

L587[11:31:22] <williewillus> VB considers itself above Ada, pascal, and java? naaah

L588[11:31:48] <tmtu> is there a medieval mod? :)

L589[11:32:08] <williewillus> we were talking about vanilla 1.9

L590[11:32:10] <MattDahEpic> fortress could use more logical generation, like less fragmentation

L591[11:32:39] <MattDahEpic> we need nether plants

L592[11:32:39] <MattDahEpic> foilage

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L594[11:33:08] <laci200270> now if you want to get a fortress you launch the fortress finder app and write your seed :D

L595[11:33:11] <Ivorius> tmtu: Lots :P

L596[11:33:28] <tmtu> williewillus: that image summarises how the author of the image thinks of other languages

L597[11:33:35] <williewillus> basically

L598[11:33:37] <tmtu> he obviously doesn't like java people :)

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L600[11:33:41] <laci200270> yes

L601[11:33:48] <tmtu> Ivorius: darn, would've been fun to do some modding again

L602[11:34:07] <Ivorius> Everything 'normal' has been made already

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L604[11:34:10] <Ivorius> No reason to stop yourself

L605[11:35:10] <tmtu> pretty sure everyone thinks they are above javascript too

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L607[11:36:11] <MattDahEpic> tmtu, http://www.minecraftforum.net/news/60146-day-2-minecon-1-9-update-info

L608[11:36:59] <williewillus> we can all agree html is not a language though

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L610[11:37:22] <laci200270> yes

L611[11:37:27] <MattDahEpic> yes

L612[11:37:34] <laci200270> it just a markdown like stuff

L613[11:37:40] <Ivorius> html is a language

L614[11:37:43] <tmtu> of course html is a language

L615[11:37:45] <Ivorius> Just not a programming language

L616[11:37:46] <tmtu> it's in its name

L617[11:37:52] <laci200270> :D

L618[11:38:07] <laci200270> Hypertext Markup Language

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L620[11:38:24] <MattDahEpic> beat me to it laci200270

L621[11:38:27] <MattDahEpic> gg

L622[11:38:37] <PaleoCrafter> nobody getting mad at Ada being written like an acronym?

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L624[11:40:20] <tmtu> can't say i know much of ada

L625[11:40:36] <PaleoCrafter> me neither, I just know that it's not an acronym :P

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L646[12:06:13] <twick> So I've managed to make an item and a block that don't do anything. Is there good tutorials on makeing an oven and integrating with one of the popular energy stuff? MJ or RF?

L647[12:07:04] <Ivorius> Well, try making a furnace first

L648[12:07:14] <Ivorius> TileEntityFurnace for referene

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L650[12:07:46] <Ivorius> And play with the values - you can add the energy consumption retroactively

L651[12:10:56] <twick> Alright

L652[12:11:54] <twick> Might be cool to go through some open source projects and see how they handle things. I think ill do that

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L657[12:24:21] <shadekiller666> theres one Microsoft Silverlight update that windows 7 has repeatedly failed to install for the last 2 months

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L664[12:37:24] <killjoy> "silverlight"

L665[12:37:34] <killjoy> That's dead

L666[12:37:57] <killjoy> Microsoft stopped using it and Netflix switched to HTML5

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L668[12:40:11] <killjoy> Season 2 of Bojack Horseman is out

L669[12:40:32] <shadekiller666> so would uninstalling it be an option that wouldn't have much of an impact?

L670[12:40:50] <killjoy> No.

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L672[12:41:18] <shadekiller666> are there things that actively rely on silverlight?

L673[12:41:25] <killjoy> No.

L674[12:41:32] <killjoy> It was only MS and Netflix

L675[12:41:51] <shadekiller666> so it shouldn't be an issue

L676[12:42:16] <Acters> I didn't even bother installing silverlight

L677[12:42:24] <killjoy> I don't bother installing flash

L678[12:43:44] <Acters> isn't flash player a security hole ridden mess?

L679[12:43:51] <killjoy> Yes.

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L681[12:44:09] <killjoy> Chrome has it built-in anyway

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L683[12:44:42] <Acters> yeah but isn't chrome disabling support for npapi

L684[12:44:44] <Acters> ?

L685[12:45:04] <shadekiller666> already has

L686[12:45:41] <Ivorius> But what will become of flash games

L687[12:45:41] <Ivorius> lol

L688[12:46:02] <Acters> their end?

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L692[13:02:56] <williewillus> so in projectE, there's varying different "traits" the power items can have (mode changing, charging, etc.). And currently the codebase we've inherited is quite the mess in terms of hierarchy. Is there a way to do "mixin trait"-like functionality without using scala or java 8?

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L694[13:03:45] <PaleoCrafter> interfaces + helpers implementing the default behaviour :P

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L696[13:07:00] <yueh> and the java 8 extension methods really suck

L697[13:08:43] <PaleoCrafter> how so, yueh? :P

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L700[13:09:39] <yueh> once they encounter a diamond inheritance it's up to the developer to solve it and probably just copy&paste code all around

L701[13:09:58] <yueh> java does not perform a linearization like scala traits

L702[13:15:26] <PaleoCrafter> I think you can do X.super.theMethod in Java? that isn't that much copy paste, I'd say :P

L703[13:16:00] <yueh> this only works for the most trivial cases

L704[13:16:16] <PaleoCrafter> and in Scala, it's also up to the developer to decide the mixin order :P

L705[13:18:14] <yueh> yes, but the order is defined by the class declaration, not written code

L706[13:18:51] <PaleoCrafter> it is equivalent to the super.XYZ stuff, imo

L707[13:18:59] <PaleoCrafter> but of course Scala is superior to Java :P

L708[13:19:04] <yueh> consider this trait "trait Pizza { def bake() : Seq(Ingredient) }"

L709[13:19:15] <yueh> or better PizzaIngredient

L710[13:20:13] <tmtu> PaleoCrafter: you slipped up!

L711[13:21:04] <yueh> so you can do something like "new PizzaX extends Pizza with Cheese with Salami with OtherStuff"

L712[13:21:07] <PaleoCrafter> hm, tmtu?

L713[13:21:16] <yueh> and just call bake() to obtain the Sequence

L714[13:21:17] <tmtu> [20:18:58] <+PaleoCrafter> but of course Scala is superior to Java :P

L715[13:21:23] <tmtu> you said the s-word

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L717[13:21:29] <PaleoCrafter> meh

L718[13:22:19] <PaleoCrafter> yueh, I know, and I love that, but that's using something entirely special to Scala (abstract override) :P

L719[13:22:20] <yueh> and by changing the mixing order you can even decide if cheese should actually be the top

L720[13:22:52] <yueh> java would require you to declare all the implemented interfaces and then still write all the code to create the sequence and add that stuff in the right order

L721[13:23:54] <PaleoCrafter> yes, but it's a totally different feature besides simple default methods

L722[13:24:13] <yueh> but an actually useful one

L723[13:24:51] <gigaherz> scala does multiple inheritance?

L724[13:25:05] <PaleoCrafter> sort of

L725[13:25:16] <yueh> default methods are really only useful for trivial stuff like add an addAll to a collection, which just iterates over the argument and calls add()

L726[13:25:31] <PaleoCrafter> and that was the aim :P

L727[13:25:47] <PaleoCrafter> Java never adopted innovative ideas, and it never will

L728[13:26:05] <yueh> it's more like a replacement for shared abstract classes

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L730[13:28:05] <shadekiller666> anyone know why my forge dev environment keeps forgetting where GradleStart is?

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L732[13:28:45] <PaleoCrafter> default methods probably wouldn't even be in Java if they weren't so desperately trying to keep binary compatibility with user code (something that Scala for instance isn't afraid of)

L733[13:30:44] <yueh> i mostly scratched the surface of java 8, just enough to consider it not really worthy

L734[13:31:20] <williewillus> bleh just figured out that the "trait" would probably need to extend a class too....perfect for scala

L735[13:31:25] <williewillus> but not willing to convert the mod :p

L736[13:31:43] <PaleoCrafter> well, it has one thing speaking for it, and that's no utter mess of (visible) anonymous classes :P

L737[13:31:47] <yueh> it's a clear improvement over java6/7, but mostly a setback in relation to any other jvm language

L738[13:32:06] <shadekiller666> and lambdas, if you use them

L739[13:32:21] <PaleoCrafter> that is with lambdas, shadekiller666 :P

L740[13:32:29] <shadekiller666> :P

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L742[13:33:27] <yueh> because "doStuff(Consumer<Integer x)" => "doStuff( (i) -> print(i))" is so intuitive xD

L743[13:34:04] <williewillus> I might toy around with a scala fork of it though :p a scala mod workspace is just "apply-plugin: scala" in build.gradle right?

L744[13:34:12] <PaleoCrafter> yep

L745[13:34:27] <shadekiller666> well if the only thing that consumer would do would be to print i, then i -> print(i) is a lot easier to read

L746[13:35:19] <PaleoCrafter> only having dedicated SAM types for stuff like that is rather stupid in the first place :P

L747[13:35:30] <yueh> scala would look like "def doStuff(x : Int => Unit)" and "doStuff ( i => print i )" (unit is probably a bad example)

L748[13:36:06] <sham1> So you get Int and return basically void

L749[13:36:18] <PaleoCrafter> eh, at least do doStuff(print) for scala and doStuff(System.out::print) for Java

L750[13:36:20] <PaleoCrafter> :P

L751[13:36:25] <sham1> THOSE SIDE-EFFECTS :C

L752[13:36:44] <yueh> most eas for scala should be "doStuff print"

L753[13:37:03] <sham1> Lambdas are great

L754[13:37:22] <yueh> Function or Producer would probably be a better example

L755[13:37:24] <sham1> Java 8 lambdas are also very optimized in byte code

L756[13:37:35] <yueh> but in general, the declaration in scala looks pretty much similar to the usage

L757[13:37:37] <williewillus> if you dont capture

L758[13:37:46] <williewillus> if you capture in java 8 it's same performance as anon class

L759[13:37:54] <PaleoCrafter> well, Scala 2.12 will compile to Java 8 bytecode, so

L760[13:38:01] <sham1> YES

L761[13:38:16] <PaleoCrafter> I wonder if Lex will update to that though xD

L762[13:38:18] <sham1> Wait, what does scala 2.11 compile to?

L763[13:38:30] <williewillus> 7 probably

L764[13:38:38] <sham1> I hope

L765[13:38:43] <PaleoCrafter> 6 :P

L766[13:38:53] <PaleoCrafter> if it was 7, it'd already have nicer lambdas

L767[13:38:59] <yueh> scala would even accept something like "def duck(x : { def quack() : String } }" xD

L768[13:39:00] <sham1> I want to drop java 6 support in my mod just to force people to update

L769[13:39:43] <PaleoCrafter> but Scala + Java 8 would be Lex' 2 nemeses combined

L770[13:39:43] <yueh> just java7 would be some much easier

L771[13:39:59] <sham1> Why does lex hate closures so much :c

L772[13:40:05] <PaleoCrafter> he doesn't :P

L773[13:40:16] <yueh> like try-with-resource to avoid all these memory leaks for not closing resources (like Configuration)

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L775[13:40:31] <sham1> Well why would scala + java 8 be so bad for him

L776[13:40:57] <PaleoCrafter> 1) he doesn't like Scala's way of doing things 2) Java 8 isn't the thing Mojang uses

L777[13:41:10] <sham1> Oh

L778[13:41:19] <yueh> they use java8, just don't compile for it

L779[13:42:05] <shadekiller666> isn't the launcher supposed to be coming with its own version of java at some point?

L780[13:42:07] <PaleoCrafter> using Java 8 implies making use of its libraries for me :P

L781[13:42:11] <PaleoCrafter> it already is

L782[13:42:17] <sham1> But once scala 2.12 comes out well enough I can force users to update to java 8 anyways *evil laughter*

L783[13:42:24] <gigaherz> it has 1.8.0_25

L784[13:42:32] <PaleoCrafter> but 1) not everybody has the new windows launcher yet 2) it is windows only right now :P

L785[13:42:34] <tmtu> so evil

L786[13:42:45] <PaleoCrafter> sham1, you can already with 2.11.7

L787[13:42:55] <sham1> I can!?

L788[13:43:10] <PaleoCrafter> https://github.com/scala/make-release-notes/blob/2.11.x/experimental-backend.md

L789[13:43:28] <shadekiller666> wtf

L790[13:43:51] <PaleoCrafter> and try-with-resources is just syntactic sugar, yueh :P

L791[13:44:02] <sham1> And I could make my mod use that backend how?

L792[13:44:07] <PaleoCrafter> yes

L793[13:44:09] <tmtu> anyone here know php?

L794[13:44:10] <Lex_> Anyone know what BS automated forge install thing calc is trying to do? https://github.com/MinecraftForge/Installer/pull/26

L795[13:44:31] <shadekiller666> i can't open my forge dev env anymore... it says "The default workspace '<location>/eclipse' is in use or cannot be created. Please choose a different one.

L796[13:44:39] <gigaherz> he mentioned something about a modpack launcher of sorts

L797[13:44:58] <Lex_> shadekiller666, its in use you have eclipse open already...

L798[13:45:00] <sham1> I know PHP *grinch*

L799[13:45:03] <PaleoCrafter> shadekiller666, have you tried turning your PC off and on again? :P

L800[13:45:08] <yueh> sure, but the usual pattern with "finally { if(r != null) ....} looks so stupid

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L803[13:45:20] <shadekiller666> oh derp

L804[13:45:26] <Lex_> modpack launcher... ugh

L805[13:45:32] <shadekiller666> wow i am out of it today

L806[13:45:33] <Lex_> yet another fucking launcher

L807[13:45:43] <PaleoCrafter> in Scala you can (in theory) use structural types, but that ain't fast

L808[13:45:43] <sham1> We have so many...

L809[13:45:46] <tmtu> sham1: how do i fix timezone issues

L810[13:46:01] <sham1> What tidzone is it now?

L811[13:46:07] <sham1> UTC?

L812[13:46:15] <tmtu> none, apparently, even though i've changed php.ini

L813[13:46:21] <yueh> i haven't look at what bytecode they produce, for now i assume it's resolved at compile time like path dependent types

L814[13:46:22] <sham1> Weird

L815[13:46:42] <PaleoCrafter> structural types use reflection under the hood

L816[13:47:21] <sham1> So you don't get any time or what is going on

L817[13:47:32] <gigaherz> lex, his exact words:

L818[13:47:34] <gigaherz> [22:33] (calclavia): I'm making some sort of mod installer, which installs Forge automatically

L819[13:47:37] <PaleoCrafter> although that might change with being able to use invokedynamic, if I think about it

L820[13:47:57] <calclavia> gigaherz: It's not a launcher, just a installer

L821[13:48:11] <gigaherz> yeah I remembered inaccurately ;P

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L823[13:48:20] <sham1> We already have a installer...

L824[13:48:56] <gigaherz> hence why I looked up the logs, in case I made a mistake

L825[13:48:58] <gigaherz> ;P

L826[13:49:05] <yueh> once they target jvm 1.7 or 1.8 it will probably be way cleaner xD

L827[13:49:21] <calclavia> sham1: Yeah, it's for a rather specific project, not going to really be released to public

L828[13:49:40] <calclavia> since it's kind of useless, but it's for some people who don't know how to install Forge lol

L829[13:49:43] <williewillus> I'm trying to import build.gradle for a scala proj into idea but it shows the "building..." dialog then just drops back to the recent projects list

L830[13:49:47] <williewillus> 0.o

L831[13:49:51] <sham1> So paleo, how'd you think it would be possible to use that experimental backend in scala?

L832[13:49:54] <yueh> and in general looking at the generated bytecode is a bad idea xD. i have a small project with about 8 scala classes which get expanded to like 450 java classes

L833[13:50:25] <sham1> All those anons

L834[13:50:29] <PaleoCrafter> williewillus, try switching the scala plugin's update channel to experimental

L835[13:50:35] <yueh> pattern matching stuff

L836[13:50:39] <sham1> Closures inside closures :P

L837[13:51:10] <PaleoCrafter> sham1, 1) get the 2.11.7 compiler 2) make your project use that compiler 3) add those params I've linked :P

L838[13:51:20] <PaleoCrafter> the rest should be googleable :P

L839[13:51:25] <williewillus> how do I switch the plugin channel?

L840[13:51:32] <sham1> Ok, question about the 2 ) and 3)

L841[13:51:38] <Lex_> if someone doesnt know how to install forge

L842[13:51:48] <Lex_> they shouldnt be playing any game at all.

L843[13:51:48] <tmtu> yueh: the horror

L844[13:51:53] <Lex_> it's just 'Click ok'

L845[13:51:58] <Lex_> seriouly how hard is that?

L846[13:52:17] <sham1> Where should I put the paras you linked so the darn thing gets built with that backend

L847[13:52:24] <PaleoCrafter> williewillus: Settings -> Languages & Frameworks -> Scala -> Updates

L848[13:52:36] <PaleoCrafter> actually select EAP, not nightly, might get buggy otherwise :P

L849[13:52:38] <sham1> Lex, stop under-estemating user stupidity

L850[13:52:47] <Lex_> i dont underestimate it

L851[13:52:50] <PaleoCrafter> google it, sham1 :P

L852[13:52:51] <Lex_> I just draw the line

L853[13:53:00] <PaleoCrafter> and enter "Scala Compiler" into IDEA's search

L854[13:53:11] <Lex_> Because doing this would make it WAY to fucking easy to install forge for crappy 3rd party launchers

L855[13:53:19] <sham1> I'll Google it once I am back home

L856[13:53:20] <PaleoCrafter> since when does pattern matching generate classes, yueh? Oo

L857[13:53:34] <Lex_> wget forge_installer && forge_installer --installClient

L858[13:54:00] <Lex_> is MUCH easier then the alternatives which means it'll be done MUCH more and well, sadly this is one of the few cases that I have to sit on busniess side.

L859[13:54:09] <sham1> ./forge_install would be more correct

L860[13:54:11] <Lex_> Cuz you know... I like having a place to live.

L861[13:54:32] <sham1> :p

L862[13:54:36] <williewillus> that worked, thanks paleo

L863[13:54:40] <PaleoCrafter> np

L864[13:54:50] <PaleoCrafter> took me a good day to figure that out xD

L865[13:55:01] <Lex_> If someone wants to make a installer that bypasses the ads and everything, they can, I wont stop them, as I think ads are annoying, but nessasary evil.

L866[13:55:11] <sham1> Mmm

L867[13:55:12] <Lex_> Hence why I give both direct and indirect links

L868[13:55:37] <yueh> if i recall correctly, it's a bunch of case classes

L869[13:55:46] <sham1> The direct link would be: "If you don't want to support forge by watching this ad"

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L871[13:56:00] <PaleoCrafter> oh, so not the actual matching, just the data structures :P

L872[13:56:13] <yueh> markdown parser

L873[13:56:14] <Lex_> A side note calclavia you derped the build.gradle and made it so the files are never uploaded, so definitly wouldnt be pulled

L874[13:56:16] <masa> I don't really get why people make installers for everything... instead of the end user going and downloading the actual program and installing that, they go and downlaod ANOTHEr program and install that, nad it then installs the actual program (and who knows whate else...)

L875[13:56:40] <sham1> Because users be stoopid

L876[13:56:49] <Ivorius> Because convenience is important?

L877[13:56:50] <calclavia> Lex_: I'll undo that commit

L878[13:56:58] <calclavia> Lex_: That is, only if you will consider PR

L879[13:57:04] <Ivorius> How does nobody in here get the most basic marketing principles

L880[13:57:06] <danielhuisman_> Reading is quite a hard thing for users to do apparently

L881[13:57:07] <calclavia> otherwise there's no point to keep the repository lol

L882[13:57:22] <masa> how is it more convenient to download program b from a shady place, than to download program a from the official place though? :D

L883[13:57:34] <Lex_> Im not considering it, 1) because of the above and 2) because it's feature incomplete

L884[13:57:43] <Ivorius> Because the installer does more than installing the program

L885[13:57:47] <yueh> the first google entry (the ad) points to it xD

L886[13:57:53] <Ivorius> Mods, configurations, all that shit

L887[13:57:58] <Ivorius> Nobody likes to copy files

L888[13:58:15] <Ivorius> Oh wasn't it great back when we opened up the fucking jar files

L889[13:58:23] <masa> well yes for mod packs etc launchers are nice

L890[13:58:39] <masa> but for something like simply installing one thing

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L892[13:58:52] <Ivorius> Nobody downloads launchers that do nothing but install the game

L893[13:59:00] <Ivorius> You're strawmanning

L894[13:59:05] <PaleoCrafter> deleting META-INF always let chills run down my spine because of the excitement, Ivorius :P

L895[13:59:10] <calclavia> Lex_: 1) I can revert that Gradle change 2) what other features are needed? I tested --installClient and it works well.

L896[13:59:14] <Lex_> masa, Sadly there is a online thing where companies simply rebundle open source/free software in installers that also install other adware/payware/crap. Its annoying but meh.

L897[13:59:16] <masa> well there are even "installers" that install one single mod afaik

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L899[14:00:02] <Lex_> and --installClient needs a optional argument for path.

L900[14:00:05] <masa> yeah unfortunately this world is full of annoying shit

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L902[14:00:50] <masa> and greedy assholes

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L904[14:00:56] <Lex_> Only reasons Forge is a installer is because 1) needs to unpack libraries cuz fuck you saving 400TB/day is worth it, and 2) need to edit the json :/

L905[14:00:57] <Ivorius> And whiny bitches

L906[14:01:43] <calclavia> Well,, I closed the PR. I don't care if it gets merged or not, just thought it was public benefit.

L907[14:02:10] <calclavia> but if you don't want it, then so bet it. Nothing to really argue about here.

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L909[14:03:03] <Lex_> I can understand the need, but i've discussed it with cpw when we first built the thing, it isn't what we want. Especially if things are going to be wrapped in another persons installer there isn't really a purpose for it..

L910[14:03:17] <calclavia> Alright then. That's fine with me.

L911[14:03:27] <Lex_> You know, your 'modpack installer' could be done with the Forge installer fairly easily. A few modpacks have done it.

L912[14:03:59] <Lex_> Just need a nice json file with a maven repo you can download the mods from.

L913[14:04:08] <cpw> yeah. the server stuff was really only because someone complained that we needed it. 99 times out of 100, it doesn't get used at all..

L914[14:04:30] <cpw> it's *intention* is to sidecar forge into the client thing

L915[14:04:38] <Lex_> I was debaiting on adding a 'this.jar!/repo/' as a default maven repo so that the installer could also bundle the libraries if you wanted.. dont know if I ever got around to doing that.

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L919[14:14:44] <Lex_> http://www.minecraftforge.net/forum/index.php/topic,32135.msg168095.html#msg168095 FOR FUCKS SAKE PEOPLE

L920[14:16:12] <yueh> xD. it's also funny that these people show up on the AE bugtracker

L921[14:16:37] <Ri5ux> Some people don't come pre-installed with computer common sense.

L922[14:16:42] <Ri5ux> Blew my mind too.

L923[14:17:08] <williewillus> mc isnt even an expensive game too

L924[14:22:13] <sham1> How do these people even open their computers

L925[14:24:13] <Ivorius> Why would they open their computers

L926[14:24:26] <williewillus> lol

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L931[14:29:19] <Techfoxis> Wow, that's just pitiful

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L934[14:31:27] <Andrey96> Yesterday I've said about often "Already tesselating" crashes with my modpack. I know that this decision is very-very ugly and wrong, but I've just replaced in Tesselator bytecode throw to printStackTrace.

L935[14:32:19] <Andrey96> and instead of crash just getting 1 frame not rendered

L936[14:33:09] <Ivorius> lol

L937[14:34:15] <Ivorius> Hang them who start tessellating and then depart

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L953[14:51:26] <laci200270> idea not have auto error resolving?

L954[14:51:35] <PaleoCrafter> sure it has

L955[14:51:38] <PaleoCrafter> alt + enter

L956[14:51:52] <laci200270> thanks

L957[14:52:26] <laci200270> why idea marks the default constructur unused

L958[14:52:44] <laci200270> ?

L959[14:52:44] <PaleoCrafter> because it is unused? ...

L960[14:53:02] <sham1> :D

L961[14:53:07] <laci200270> but mc is uses :D

L962[14:53:26] <laci200270> and also my init is also unsed :D

L963[14:53:26] <williewillus> idea doesnt know that lol

L964[14:53:40] <williewillus> those are called via asm/reflection by fml at runtime

L965[14:54:02] <PaleoCrafter> if it's too annoying for you, you can turn off the inspection

L966[14:54:39] <sham1> Or just annotate them to suppres the warning

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L968[14:55:04] <laci200270> i'll keep this in my clipboard: @SuppressWarnings(value ="unused")

L969[14:55:06] <laci200270> :D

L970[14:55:15] <williewillus> i'd just turn off the inspection

L971[14:55:22] <williewillus> instead of cluttering your code with the annotation :p

L972[14:55:27] <PaleoCrafter> exactly

L973[14:55:27] <sham1> or just @SuppressWarnings("unused")

L974[14:55:31] <sham1> Bleh

L975[14:55:42] <PaleoCrafter> SuppressWarnings is an abomination

L976[14:56:10] <sham1> it can be useful

L977[14:56:12] <killjoy> It takes an array

L978[14:56:18] <laci200270> no

L979[14:56:25] <killjoy> @SuppressWarnings({})

L980[14:56:39] <sham1> Or does it take a vararg?

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L982[14:56:48] <laci200270> this is also good: @SuppressWarnings(value ="unused")

L983[14:56:52] <killjoy> It's

L984[14:57:03] <killjoy> Annotation values aren't parameters

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L986[14:57:28] <killjoy> Besides, Object... compiles to Object[]

L987[14:57:43] <hackhalo2> I'm more then likely blind, but I'm trying to find the code that colors the grass blocks based on the biome and I can't find it

L988[14:58:06] <sham1> But I still cannot have Array[Object] be at a vararg, I have to use Array[Object]:*_

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L990[14:58:42] <sham1> Ör _* rather

L991[14:58:48] <Techfoxis> What's the purpose of a proxy?

L992[14:59:02] <Techfoxis> I'm a Java/Forge noob

L993[14:59:10] <laci200270> Techfoxis, do something only one side

L994[14:59:10] <sham1> To seperate server and client code

L995[14:59:18] <sham1> Basically that

L996[14:59:22] <Techfoxis> Oh, okay thanks

L997[14:59:37] <williewillus> more precisely, it prevents code on one side from accessing code that won't exist on the other side

L998[14:59:45] <williewillus> usually preventing Dedicated Server from accessing client classes

L999[14:59:56] <PaleoCrafter> killjoy, and an attribute on the method :P

L1000[15:00:33] <killjoy> Speaking of attributes, I should probably add that to c2j

L1001[15:01:09] <sham1> I think I should create some super classes to have my own special Block that sets certain things up.

L1002[15:01:25] <killjoy> That's what pahimar does

L1003[15:01:30] <sham1> Mmm

L1004[15:01:36] <sham1> Nice guy

L1005[15:01:40] <PaleoCrafter> you doin Scala?

L1006[15:02:17] <sham1> Umn, that is why I asked about that new backend, I keep flip-flopping between scala and java

L1007[15:02:28] <sham1> Because I like to use scala but I am more used to java

L1008[15:02:36] <PaleoCrafter> lol

L1009[15:02:46] <PaleoCrafter> because that common super class for all mod blocks is somewhat stupid

L1010[15:03:10] <sham1> Wouldnt have to set the creative tab for instance on every one of them

L1011[15:03:16] <killjoy> All I want is [] lists and [:] maps

L1012[15:03:17] <sham1> WOuld just extend and have it be set

L1013[15:03:38] <PaleoCrafter> make it a trait :P

L1014[15:04:28] <PaleoCrafter> killjoy, you can get pretty close to those literals with Scala :P

L1015[15:04:30] <sham1> What would be the differece in this case, all that superclass/supertrait would do is set the creative tab and some other convenience stuffs

L1016[15:04:45] <PaleoCrafter> you can still extend from another super class with a trait :P

L1017[15:04:50] <sham1> I know

L1018[15:05:37] <sham1> Also, MC's block needs to have Material passed to it

L1019[15:06:02] <PaleoCrafter> and?

L1020[15:06:14] <williewillus> i swear I saw someone attempting python bindings for modded mc and I can't find it anymore :p

L1021[15:06:37] <sham1> And traits cant have constructors AFAIK

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L1023[15:07:38] <PaleoCrafter> yeah, and?

L1024[15:08:00] <sham1> And I dont exactly want every block of mine having the exact same material

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L1026[15:08:22] <sham1> Some make sense to be Material.glass but some dont and all kinds of other complicated stuf

L1027[15:08:26] <PaleoCrafter> wut

L1028[15:08:33] <sham1> What

L1029[15:08:58] <sham1> I feel like I have missed out on some awesome trait magic

L1030[15:09:07] <PaleoCrafter> trait MaAwesomeBaseBlock { this: Block => setCreativeTab(whatevs) } object MaAwesomeBlock extends Block(Material.dumbwit) with MaAwesomeBaseBlock

L1031[15:09:34] <williewillus> lol

L1032[15:09:40] <sham1> :P

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L1034[15:09:56] <williewillus> "You've been Scala'ed"

L1035[15:09:58] <sham1> Scala, you just do not stop impressing me

L1036[15:10:58] <sham1> Someone get that jaw out of the floor, I think I just dropped mine

L1037[15:13:04] <sham1> Best language confirmed

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L1039[15:14:02] <PaleoCrafter> is it COBOL?

L1040[15:14:16] <sham1> :D

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L1042[15:14:27] <sham1> Has someone ever used COBOL

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L1045[15:16:14] <tmtu_> it's z80 assembly

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L1048[15:19:32] <shadekiller666> if @SideOnly is just a result of the deobf process, what would be a better way to determine what "side" is currently executing a method?

L1049[15:19:45] <shadekiller666> world.isRemote?

L1050[15:19:50] <sham1> If you can access world then yes

L1051[15:21:19] <sham1> I think I should start posting more on Modder Support

L1052[15:21:24] <sham1> Just to help some people out

L1053[15:21:42] <PaleoCrafter> if you wish to lose faith in humanity

L1054[15:21:51] <sham1> Don't worry

L1055[15:21:56] <sham1> I'm a Valve fan

L1056[15:22:02] <sham1> I've already lost it many times

L1057[15:22:45] <PaleoCrafter> it won't come back after this experience

L1058[15:23:16] <sham1> I dont know if I should overrude IEnergyReceiver or IEnergyHandler for my RF machine

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L1061[15:24:15] <shadekiller666> whats the difference between a non-static nested class, and a static nested class?

L1062[15:24:24] <sham1> Nah, I'll go with IEnergyReceiver, it is not like my machines could transfer energy inside themselves

L1063[15:24:37] <sham1> Static inner class you dont need outer class' instance to access

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L1066[15:25:05] <sham1> It is kinda like the difference between static and non-static methods for instance

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L1069[15:27:45] <sham1> Also, time to use both RF api and Fluid API with each other

L1070[15:27:59] <sham1> Totally not confusing seeing two very simmilar APIs

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L1073[15:30:08] <sham1> ... Time to figure out how much RF would be good amount inside an internal buffer...

L1074[15:30:19] <sham1> For balance's sake

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L1076[15:32:19] <gigaherz> sham: 10 * (RF consumed / second)

L1077[15:32:25] <gigaherz> or something like that

L1078[15:32:25] <gigaherz> ;p

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L1080[15:32:46] <sham1> Also, it feels so weird to be part of the RF bandwagon

L1081[15:33:14] <sham1> Because originally I was very much against it

L1082[15:33:15] <gigaherz> why?

L1083[15:33:28] <gigaherz> what did you favor?

L1084[15:33:42] <sham1> I am NIH

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L1086[15:37:03] <gigaherz> ah

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L1088[15:37:16] <gigaherz> but you can't have ALL the mods using their own custom power system

L1089[15:37:31] <sham1> I know

L1090[15:37:44] <sham1> Also my mod is so much of a tech mod that I might as well use redstone flux

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L1092[15:39:54] <gigaherz> heck Ancient Warfare uses RF

L1093[15:40:01] <gigaherz> for its mechanical Torque Shafts

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L1096[15:41:47] <sham1> mm

L1097[15:42:01] <sham1> Only people who it does not make sense to use RF is magic mods

L1098[15:42:28] <Laceh> vim clone ftw

L1099[15:42:45] <sham1> ed

L1100[15:42:49] <gigaherz> ved

L1101[15:42:56] <Laceh> ?

L1102[15:43:11] <gigaherz> Laceh: "ed" is THE original editor

L1103[15:43:15] <FluffyCloud> I don't know, things like botania with it's mana pools and such, mana producers, pools, ... might as well be rf under the skin, you know?

L1104[15:43:16] <gigaherz> so I mixed them

L1105[15:43:17] <gigaherz> ;P

L1106[15:43:25] <Laceh> lol

L1107[15:43:32] <gigaherz> ohhey JAva just poppep up sayingf there's an update

L1108[15:43:54] <sham1> Update for the love of all good in the world

L1109[15:43:57] <gigaherz> Java* -f

L1110[15:44:09] <gigaherz> yes of course I'm an "update asap" person

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L1112[15:44:19] <sham1> Better than 99% of mod users :D

L1113[15:44:27] <sham1> java users*

L1114[15:44:33] <sham1> users**

L1115[15:44:34] <gigaherz> it even bothers me that the MC launcher comes with 1.8.0_25

L1116[15:44:38] <gigaherz> which is out of date ;P

L1117[15:44:46] <sham1> people***

L1118[15:45:28] <Laceh> lol

L1119[15:45:47] <gigaherz> there done

L1120[15:45:50] <gigaherz> u51 installed

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L1129[15:59:18] <smbarbour> For RF consuming machines, I just extend TileEnergyHandler. That takes care of most of it.

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L1135[16:07:43] <Purebe> I've been using Vim for editing for the past week

L1136[16:08:38] <Purebe> It's...really nice

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L1138[16:10:10] <Mraof> Vim is nice

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L1141[16:10:49] <Purebe> I've always used it for editing remotely but decided to give a go locally

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L1144[16:11:25] <Purebe> Didn't think I'd love it as much as I do, didn't realize how much time I'd save

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L1148[16:12:43] <Purebe> Plus...it looks amazing in ConEmu with some transparency and a cool dark starry night sky wall paper

L1149[16:13:01] <gigaherz> ewh translucent consoles >_<

L1150[16:13:11] <Purebe> it's not translucent, it's transparent :P

L1151[16:13:23] <Purebe> I dislike the translucent effect as well

L1152[16:13:33] <gigaherz> no I just dislike see-through of any kind

L1153[16:13:33] <gigaherz> ;P

L1154[16:13:46] <gigaherz> xcept Aero Glass on the window edges

L1155[16:13:53] <gigaherz> which is theo ne thing Microsoft chose NOT to add to win10 ;P

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L1157[16:14:04] <Purebe> it's only barely transparent, not enough to distract

L1158[16:14:10] <Purebe> but enough to add a nice effect

L1159[16:14:24] <Purebe> But I suppose that's going to be highly preferential :P

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L1162[16:17:22] <Gliby> Hey.

L1163[16:17:25] <Purebe> Hi

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L1165[16:17:40] <Gliby> How come Item's OnPlayerStoppedUsing is only being called on the client?

L1166[16:19:02] <Purebe> Good question, that hardly seems like a function that should be client side only

L1167[16:19:14] <gigaherz> because it's only used to stop rendering the animation, I suppose

L1168[16:19:44] <Gliby> I looked at the same method in ItemBow, and server side methods are being called from that.

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L1170[16:20:09] <gigaherz> oh right the bow shoots on stopping

L1171[16:20:24] <Purebe> Did you register the event in the client proxy?

L1172[16:20:34] <Gliby> It's not a event.

L1173[16:20:42] <Purebe> oh right

L1174[16:20:43] <Gliby> It's a method in the actual Item class.

L1175[16:20:47] <gigaherz> it's a method of Item XD

L1176[16:20:57] <Purebe> Sorry it's been a couple months since I did any modding :P

L1177[16:21:27] <Purebe> Do you have a client-only player object?

L1178[16:21:46] <Gliby> What do you mean?

L1179[16:21:54] <Purebe> There's one that is like PlayerMP and PlayerSP or something

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L1181[16:22:08] <gigaherz> how's that related?

L1182[16:22:10] <gigaherz> ;P

L1183[16:22:24] <Purebe> I don't know :P

L1184[16:22:32] <Purebe> I'm trying to remember but it's fuzzy

L1185[16:23:12] <gigaherz> hmmm

L1186[16:23:31] <gigaherz> Gliby: stopUsingItem is in EntityPlayer, not just EntityPlayerSP, so it should be called in both cases

L1187[16:23:47] <Gliby> It's not though :/

L1188[16:23:49] <gigaherz> EntityPlayerMP.onStoppedUsingItem

L1189[16:23:57] <gigaherz> it's server-side

L1190[16:24:55] <gigaherz> the client-side receives the message through a packet

L1191[16:25:04] <gigaherz> the stopping is initated by the server

L1192[16:25:32] <gigaherz> hmm wait no

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L1194[16:25:36] <gigaherz> I'm confused

L1195[16:25:46] <gigaherz> isn't EntityPlayerMP the server side?

L1196[16:25:58] <Purebe> Well it has to be initiated by the client surely

L1197[16:26:09] <gigaherz> oh I misread

L1198[16:26:11] <gigaherz> PlayerControllerMP

L1199[16:26:36] <Gliby> Oh wow.

L1200[16:26:39] <gigaherz> it's initiated by the client in Minecraft.runTick

L1201[16:26:41] <Gliby> I think I have a solution.

L1202[16:26:46] <gigaherz> which sends a packet to the server

L1203[16:26:49] <gigaherz> which runs the server side

L1204[16:26:54] <gigaherz> regardless, both sides should run it

L1205[16:27:38] <Gliby> I've added a method, and it's magically running on the server as well.

L1206[16:27:52] <Gliby> public int getMaxItemUseDuration(ItemStack stack)

L1207[16:27:56] <Gliby> that's what I added.

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L1210[16:29:33] <Gliby> yup.

L1211[16:29:53] <Gliby> without that method it doesn't get called on the server.

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L1230[17:01:34] <Mysticdrew> With 1.8, if I download the forge src without changing anything do gradlew.bat setupdecompworkspace idea. It creates forge.ipr I open that and then I import module on my mod. That seems to work and I get srg names for methods in FontRenderer I can run my mod in the dev environment. But if I setupDecompWorkspace idea in my mod's directory I do not get all the srg names in FontRenderer.

L1231[17:01:56] <Mysticdrew> If I use the first method and go to my mod's directory and try to build it, it fails because the srg names are not found.

L1232[17:02:58] <killjoy> You refresh the idea workspace?

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L1234[17:03:26] <Mysticdrew> yes

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L1237[17:03:58] <killjoy> Have you tried importing as a gradle project

L1238[17:04:00] <killjoy> ?

L1239[17:04:33] <Mysticdrew> it's not an Idea issue really. Because it wont even build outside of intelij

L1240[17:04:40] <killjoy> oh

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L1242[17:05:19] <killjoy> Well in the dev environment, you should get mcp names, not srg

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L1244[17:07:11] <Mysticdrew> well, in the first instance I do get them, when I load forge and import my mod. Seems to work, but when I trie dto build it those method names are not found.

L1245[17:07:30] <killjoy> And you're using srg names to build?

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L1247[17:10:24] <Mysticdrew> I'll get you screenshots

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L1249[17:17:46] <Mysticdrew> if I load the forge.ipr and import the mod I don't get this issue only if I load myMod.ipr http://puu.sh/j325n/222e95ac0b.png either step is unbuildable.

L1250[17:19:41] <shadekiller666> !gm renderModelBrightnessColorQuads

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L1252[17:20:04] <Mysticdrew> when I tried to build it from either setup http://puu.sh/j32iN/5ed98e0bbe.png

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L1257[17:24:35] <Techfoxis> Hey, is their a way to choose which editor .json files open in, with eclipse, because it keeps trying to open in Atom

L1258[17:24:44] <Techfoxis> but it can't

L1259[17:25:27] <Gliby> Google.

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L1264[17:33:40] <killjoy> Mysticdrew, gradlew cleanCache

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L1267[17:38:55] <Mysticdrew> trying it

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L1269[17:41:00] <Mysticdrew> nope, still cannot find the names

L1270[17:41:34] <Techfoxis> Still can't find anything on google with a valid answer

L1271[17:42:00] <Mysticdrew> Techcable windows file associations.

L1272[17:45:00] <Techfoxis> Mystic, are you talking to me?

L1273[17:49:59] <Mysticdrew> yes, check your windows file associations. eclipse defaults to them I believe.

L1274[17:50:43] <Techfoxis> I'm on Linux

L1275[17:51:23] <Mysticdrew> ok well google how to change it on linux

L1276[17:52:02] <Techfoxis> ughh, I might have to start using something other then i3wm

L1277[17:54:04] <killjoy> non executable text files always identify as text on linux

L1278[17:54:21] <Techfoxis> Yeah, I know

L1279[17:54:27] <Techfoxis> I fixed it though

L1280[17:54:44] <Techfoxis> Theirs a config for it in eclipse

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L1295[18:29:50] <Mimiru> In 1.7, is there any reason that breaking my blocks without a tool would cause the block to not drop when broken?

L1296[18:30:01] <Mimiru> I can break it with a pickaxe and it drops

L1297[18:30:53] <tterrag|laptop> Mimiru, what's the material, rock?

L1298[18:30:57] <Mimiru> Iron

L1299[18:31:01] <tterrag|laptop> right

L1300[18:31:04] <tterrag|laptop> that material requires a tool

L1301[18:31:07] <tterrag|laptop> look at the definition

L1302[18:31:15] <Mimiru> Oh shit right

L1303[18:31:16] <Mimiru> Derr

L1304[18:31:36] <Mimiru> Ok, now to figure out why one of them instantly breaks, and the other one doesn't

L1305[18:31:39] <Mimiru> thanks ¬_¬

L1306[18:31:46] * Mimiru goes back to her corner

L1307[18:31:46] <Mimiru> lol

L1308[18:31:51] <killjoy> check the hardness?

L1309[18:32:03] <Mimiru> both inherit from the same base block

L1310[18:32:37] <Mimiru> hardness is 5f in the base

L1311[18:32:54] <tterrag|laptop> hardness is not set by the default block constructor

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L1314[18:34:21] <halvors> Is readFromNBT called only server side?

L1315[18:34:23] <Mimiru> tterrag|laptop, it's set in the base block all of my blocks extend, and it works for all of my blocks, except this one. Turns out I missed this one when I added the baseblock settup

L1316[18:34:45] <tterrag|laptop> heh

L1317[18:34:48] <tterrag|laptop> halvors, of course

L1318[18:34:58] <tterrag|laptop> there is no NBT to read from on the client

L1319[18:36:08] <halvors> tterrag|laptop: Well i need to call a function to make the client request the TileEntities stored data from the server.

L1320[18:36:16] <halvors> is validate() called on the client?

L1321[18:36:18] <tterrag|laptop> that already exists

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L1323[18:36:25] <tterrag|laptop> getDescriptionPacket

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L1326[18:38:54] <halvors> tterrag|laptop: Well i need this so that it can be called in some other cases as well.

L1327[18:39:11] <gigaherz> hmmm is there a forge changelog easily accessible?

L1328[18:39:36] <halvors> tterrag|laptop: But if i need to call this function on the client, where is the right place to put it?

L1329[18:39:57] <tterrag|laptop> halvors, explain better

L1330[18:40:08] <tterrag|laptop> description packets are sent whenever the block updates (read: re-renders)

L1331[18:40:18] <tterrag|laptop> so realistically that is the only time you should need to send client data

L1332[18:41:16] <gigaherz> oh I guess there hadn't been anything pushed to the repo since the last build

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L1334[18:41:45] <gigaherz> am I righti n asssuming forge builds happen for each merge/push?

L1335[18:42:59] <tterrag|laptop> iirc

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L1337[18:49:52] <halvors> tterrag|laptop: TileEntities is loaded on the client as well right? I should somewhere be able to send my packet from the client to the server :)

L1338[18:50:07] <tterrag|laptop> halvors, of course

L1339[18:50:13] <tterrag|laptop> but you have yet to explain what you are doing exactly

L1340[18:50:22] <tterrag|laptop> I'm not going to advise when I have no idea what you are doing

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L1343[18:55:36] <halvors> tterrag|laptop: All i want to do is to send my packet when the tileEntity is loaded. But after the tileentitiy on the server has read from NBT :)

L1344[18:56:09] <gigaherz> that's not what he means

L1345[18:56:21] <gigaherz> he means why do you need the info on the client in the first place

L1346[18:56:56] <halvors> gigaherz: For displaying some variables kept in the tileentity on the client in my GUI :)

L1347[18:57:46] <gigaherz> isn't the Container the one responsible for syncing GUI state?

L1348[18:58:10] <halvors> gigaherz: No. The container is responsible for syncing the Inventory.

L1349[18:58:18] <halvors> My GUI has no inventory.

L1350[18:58:26] <tterrag|laptop> halvors, the GUI is opened when you click the block, no?

L1351[18:58:32] <tterrag|laptop> why not send the data then? that is how everything else works

L1352[18:58:35] <halvors> It is.

L1353[18:58:45] <tterrag|laptop> you don't need to sync the data if no one is looking

L1354[18:58:48] <tterrag|laptop> that is the basics of networking

L1355[18:59:13] <gigaherz> yeah in minecraft, blocks don't make sounds if no one is there to hear them

L1356[18:59:14] <gigaherz> ;P

L1357[19:00:09] <tterrag|laptop> your concept of when you need to sync things seems to be wrong, so instead of giving you a useless answer I'm trying to help you see WHY it's wrong

L1358[19:00:11] <gigaherz> (I really wanted to say falling trees don't make sounds, but... trees are happy to float)

L1359[19:00:29] <halvors> tterrag|laptop: One other case that i have is that i need to sync the data when the tileEntity loads, because i keep the block's facing in the client tileentity for rendering porpuses :)

L1360[19:01:00] <tterrag|laptop> which is fine

L1361[19:01:08] <tterrag|laptop> but that's what the description packet is for

L1362[19:01:11] <tterrag|laptop> it's /why/ that exists

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L1364[19:01:20] <tterrag|laptop> don't reinvent the wheel

L1365[19:03:03] <gigaherz> halvors: override getDescriptionPacket, implement it by storing the NBT into the packet, as in: https://github.com/gigaherz/ElementsOfPower/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/elementsofpower/blocks/TileEssentializer.java#L76-90

L1366[19:03:13] <gigaherz> unless tterag has a more modern version of it ;P

L1367[19:04:08] <tterrag|laptop> other than the fact that you use the lazy description packet method

L1368[19:04:11] <halvors> gigaherz: I don't want to use that old minecraft packet system when i have implemented SimpleNetworkWrapper :)

L1369[19:04:12] <tterrag|laptop> syncing stuff you don't need to

L1370[19:04:23] <tterrag|laptop> halvors, the MC system WORKS

L1371[19:04:24] <gigaherz> halvors: that's *integrated*

L1372[19:04:28] <tterrag|laptop> it takes away ALL the problems of doing it yourself

L1373[19:04:32] <gigaherz> mincraft takes care of sending it for you

L1374[19:04:38] <tterrag|laptop> which is 1) getting the data and 2) finding out when you need to sync

L1375[19:04:40] <tterrag|laptop> USE IT

L1376[19:05:00] <unascribed> and the SimpleNetworkWrapper isn't some magical "new" packet format, it's just a way of sending custom data over the "old minecraft packet system"

L1377[19:05:12] <tterrag|laptop> lol ^

L1378[19:05:14] <tterrag|laptop> totally true

L1379[19:05:19] <gigaherz> tterrag|laptop: yeah it's a "it works, will fix later when I don't have 90% of the mod unimplemented and I know the TE isn't going to change often anymore)

L1380[19:05:20] <tterrag|laptop> there's a reason it has wrapper in the NAME

L1381[19:05:38] <tterrag|laptop> gigaherz, if you implement something which will at any point REQUIRE changing later it's probably bad design ;)

L1382[19:06:13] <unascribed> here's how I do it in my mod: https://github.com/unascribed/Farrago/blob/master/src/main/java/com/unascribed/farrago/tileentity/TileEntityMachine.java#L43-L48

L1383[19:06:18] <unascribed> syncs only direction

L1384[19:06:18] <tterrag|laptop> FML just wraps a proxy packet with their own system

L1385[19:06:51] <unascribed> afaik that integer field is only for vanilla TEs

L1386[19:07:00] <unascribed> hence it being set to -255

L1387[19:07:19] <tterrag|laptop> I just use 0

L1388[19:07:25] <tterrag|laptop> it's not used from what I can see

L1389[19:07:27] <tterrag|laptop> idk what it is :p

L1390[19:07:48] <unascribed> probably Notch remenants

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L1392[19:14:17] <Lex__> what aboutn packets?

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L1394[19:15:35] <tterrag|laptop> <halvors> gigaherz: I don't want to use that old minecraft packet system when i have implemented SimpleNetworkWrapper :)

L1395[19:15:41] <tterrag|laptop> that about sums it up :P

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L1397[19:19:43] <gigaherz> Oh come on ¬¬ entityInit is called from the super() .... that explains a few things XD

L1398[19:20:18] <Kittychanley> Bit of an odd question. Does anybody know if it's possible to grab an item's icon off the item texturemap while doing a renderWorldBlock call for a ISimpleBlockRenderingHandler class? I tried binding the texture right before getting the icon, but then every block in the whole world then uses icon textures. And if I bind it to item before, and then bind it to blocks after, it's like I didn't do anything at all and just renders

L1399[19:20:18] <Kittychanley> with the random block texture.

L1400[19:20:45] <Kittychanley> I'm trying to do a custom flower pot that lets you put items in it in addition to ItemBlocks

L1401[19:20:46] <tterrag|laptop> Kittychanley, no, you cannot rebind textures inside ISBRH

L1402[19:20:51] <gigaherz> n oyou can't do that

L1403[19:20:52] <tterrag|laptop> because all you are doing is caching verts

L1404[19:20:57] <tterrag|laptop> texture data is not included with that cache

L1405[19:21:26] <gigaherz> ^ that. XD

L1406[19:21:37] <Kittychanley> Darn. Is it possible any other way? Like doing a render that isn't ISBRH?

L1407[19:21:52] <tterrag|laptop> sure

L1408[19:21:59] <tterrag|laptop> would be pretty expensive for a decorative block though

L1409[19:23:02] <Kittychanley> alright, I guess I'll just leave it so you can't put those items in the flower pot then

L1410[19:23:26] <tterrag|laptop> what flower is an item only :P

L1411[19:23:44] <Techfoxis> Could someone explain to me how the proxys work and how to set them?

L1412[19:23:51] <Kittychanley> Our fruit tree saplings, because when you plant them it does a log block that grows into a tree instead of a sapling block

L1413[19:24:03] <tterrag|laptop> Techfoxis, a proxy is just a convenience to have two different classes loaded on client/server

L1414[19:24:13] <tterrag|laptop> so that you can safely run clientside/serverside specific code only on that side

L1415[19:24:28] <tterrag|laptop> just give the two classes to the @SidedProxy annotation and FML will fill it in

L1416[19:24:49] <tterrag|laptop> Kittychanley, that's weird mechanic :P

L1417[19:24:51] <tterrag|laptop> but ok

L1418[19:24:59] <Techfoxis> I tried but the client side proxy isn't loading

L1419[19:25:06] <Kittychanley> Indeed it is. I didn't write it, but I'm not going to touch it

L1420[19:25:10] <tterrag|laptop> Techfoxis, define isn't loading

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L1422[19:26:42] <Techfoxis> Im following MrCrayfishes video tutorials for 1.8, and the it never registers the render

L1423[19:26:59] <tterrag|laptop> post code

L1424[19:27:14] <Techfoxis> Okay, on gist?

L1425[19:27:45] <tterrag|laptop> sure

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L1429[19:34:48] <shadekiller666> damn it, still can't figure out how the hell to fix this...

L1430[19:35:09] <shadekiller666> fry, wai must you be gone...

L1431[19:37:08] <Techfoxis> Here tterrag https://gist.github.com/techfoxis/cfed8c8f4e3d1cf104c8

L1432[19:38:09] <Techfoxis> I also have a model and texture but I don't think thats the problem

L1433[19:38:36] <Techfoxis> The texture for the item I added doesn't appear though

L1434[19:38:56] <tterrag|laptop> lowercase class names why

L1435[19:39:06] <Laceh> lmfoa

L1436[19:39:15] <Techfoxis> I use camel case

L1437[19:39:20] <tterrag|laptop> well that's wrong :D

L1438[19:39:21] <williewillus> Class names should be upper

L1439[19:39:25] <williewillus> according to java conventions

L1440[19:39:48] <Techfoxis> Oh, I come from a web development view point

L1441[19:39:58] <tterrag|laptop> Techfoxis, you never call the method?

L1442[19:40:00] <Laceh> lol I wrote 5 classes in KPC lower case because they fit with the scheme syntax I was writing XD

L1443[19:40:10] <Techfoxis> Which method?

L1444[19:40:12] <williewillus> Techfoxis: in your @SidedProxy you need to give the fully qualified class name

L1445[19:40:13] <shadekiller666> Tech, is that item model one that is loaded through a custom model loader? ie. b3d/obj?

L1446[19:40:16] <tterrag|laptop> also, putting the renderer code inside items defeats the entire purpose

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L1448[19:40:37] <williewillus> oh jk it's a var

L1449[19:40:40] <williewillus> are your proxies running?

L1450[19:40:42] <tterrag|laptop> Techfoxis, proxy.registerRenderers()

L1451[19:41:17] <williewillus> oh you never call that yeah :p

L1452[19:41:20] <Techfoxis> What stage of init would that go in?

L1453[19:41:27] <shadekiller666> pre

L1454[19:41:28] <tterrag|laptop> whenever you want it to run?

L1455[19:41:32] <tterrag|laptop> probably preinit

L1456[19:41:34] <williewillus> models need to be pre

L1457[19:41:51] <tterrag|laptop> having your proxy call a non-proxy method to do sided things is completely pointless

L1458[19:41:59] <tterrag|laptop> that's the ENTIRE PURPOSE of the proxy

L1459[19:43:00] <Techfoxis> I'm just following MrCrayfishes 1.8 Tutorials

L1460[19:43:04] <shadekiller666> so i'm trying to figure out how to fix the problem with ExtendedBlockStates and preventing block placement bug that i've had for a while, and i can't figure out a good way of fixing it

L1461[19:43:10] <tterrag|laptop> well then he's doing it horribly wrong

L1462[19:43:17] <gigaherz> thne maybe you should follow someone else's tutorials

L1463[19:43:17] <gigaherz> XD

L1464[19:43:30] <Techfoxis> Correction I *WAS*

L1465[19:44:06] <Techfoxis> How would you sugest I learn how to mod?

L1466[19:44:26] <tterrag|laptop> on 1.8?

L1467[19:44:52] <Techfoxis> I guess I've never modded with 1.7

L1468[19:45:02] <Techfoxis> should I learn that first?

L1469[19:45:09] <gigaherz> nah

L1470[19:45:12] <gigaherz> it will teach bad habits

L1471[19:45:16] <tterrag|laptop> depends on what you want to mod for

L1472[19:45:23] <gigaherz> although many things carry over

L1473[19:45:37] <shadekiller666> i was thinking of somehow replacing the value for IUnlistedProperties with some sort of wrapper that would allow the extended states to be found in the maps even though the ones in the map don't have the same value as the ones that are passed in from the block

L1474[19:46:26] <shadekiller666> but from what i understand about how maps get things, having two different wrapper objects would still cause a problem

L1475[19:47:32] <tterrag|laptop> different is something you can define in the object

L1476[19:47:46] <shadekiller666> via equals and hashcode right?

L1477[19:47:59] <tterrag|laptop> yes

L1478[19:48:06] <shadekiller666> do all maps check equals and hashcode?

L1479[19:48:12] <tterrag|laptop> what else would they check?

L1480[19:48:14] <tterrag|laptop> magic?

L1481[19:48:25] <shadekiller666> well, just equals, or just hashcode

L1482[19:48:45] <tterrag|laptop> they should evaluate to the same result

L1483[19:49:51] <tterrag|laptop> and you should always implement both

L1484[19:49:55] <tterrag|laptop> so that question is irrelevant

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L1486[19:50:46] <shadekiller666> evaluate to the same result? hashcode returns an int and equals returns a boolean

L1487[19:50:53] <williewillus> if you override one

L1488[19:50:56] <williewillus> you have to the other

L1489[19:51:03] <tterrag|laptop> if objects are equal, their hashcode should always be the same

L1490[19:51:06] <tterrag|laptop> that's what I mean

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L1492[19:52:22] <Laceh> shadekiller666: actually map implementations check equals first, then if they are equal they fallback on hashcode

L1493[19:52:39] <shadekiller666> so theoretically, if i make a wrapper class and make both of those return based soley on the fact that they are both instances of the same class, then this issue would be solved?

L1494[19:52:51] <tterrag|laptop> Laceh, that's implementation based, and still irrelevant

L1495[19:53:02] <tterrag|laptop> do what the equals contract demands of you, who calls what doesn't matter

L1496[19:53:18] <Laceh> I was just correcting a statement made by him

L1497[19:53:45] <gigaherz> uh what, why woudl they use hashcode AFTER equals? XD

L1498[19:53:54] <Laceh> collisions

L1499[19:53:59] <williewillus> why would you ever want all instances of a class to be treated equal by equals?

L1500[19:54:00] <gigaherz> the whole point of the hash codes is to quickly discard differents

L1501[19:54:01] <williewillus> that sounds terrible

L1502[19:54:42] <tterrag|laptop> Laceh, I don't even think that's really accurate

L1503[19:54:50] <Laceh> yet it is

L1504[19:54:57] <gigaherz> if the hash codes don't match, they must be different

L1505[19:54:59] <tterrag|laptop> maps use hashcode to place objects in the buckets, and hashcode to retrieve the correct bucket

L1506[19:55:02] <gigaherz> otherwise, you have to check with equals

L1507[19:55:12] <tterrag|laptop> they only use equals to determine what object to return from the bucket

L1508[19:55:18] <Laceh> they use both in order to eliminate collisions

L1509[19:55:28] <tterrag|laptop> eliminate collisions? that's what buckets are for

L1510[19:55:29] <gigaherz> yes but hash codes always come first

L1511[19:55:29] <gigaherz> XD

L1512[19:55:37] <gigaherz> checking the hash code after equals makes no sense

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L1514[19:56:02] <gigaherz> two objects that EchebKesoquals returns true, always return the same hash code (or should)

L1515[19:56:04] <Techfoxis> So how does one go about learning how to use forge?

L1516[19:56:21] <tterrag|laptop> for the most part? asking and reading other mods

L1517[19:56:32] <tterrag|laptop> there are tutorials out there, but most are either really shallow, or not very well done

L1518[19:56:40] <Techfoxis> Oh, okay thanks

L1519[19:56:52] <tterrag|laptop> the best set of tutorials done (imo) was vswe's

L1520[19:56:53] <gigaherz> wtf did I type?

L1521[19:56:57] <tterrag|laptop> they were done on 1.6 however

L1522[19:56:57] <williewillus> yeah personally I find learning by example the best

L1523[19:57:10] <gigaherz> two objects for which equals() returns true, must have the same hash code

L1524[19:57:20] <gigaherz> two objects that have different hash codes, must never equal

L1525[19:57:53] <gigaherz> the grey area is hash collisions, where two objects can have the same hash code but not equals

L1526[19:57:54] <shadekiller666> the idea is to have a way for the game to not prevent block placement when a block has extended blockstates with both an IProperty array and an IUnlistedProperty array that are not empty

L1527[19:59:51] <shadekiller666> as it stands right now, ExtendedBlockState pairs each IUnlistedProperty with Optional.absent() on initialization, which means that when the world tries to set a blockstate with an ExtendedBlockState that has a value other than Optional.absent() for its IUnlistedProperties, it can't find one in the BLOCKSTATE_TO_ID map in Block, and terminates the placement immediately

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L1529[20:00:40] <shadekiller666> and because the values of IUnlistedPropertys are not pre-defined, there has to be something that can be shoved into that map

L1530[20:00:48] <tterrag|laptop> then yeah, a wrapper which always returns true for equals against any other IUnlistedProperty is probably the best way

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L1532[20:05:19] <shadekiller666> well, not all IUnlistedPropertys, just the ones that either have Optional.absent() as a value, or a value that is equivalent to whatever is in the wrapper

L1533[20:05:37] <tterrag|laptop> but only unlisted properties should not care

L1534[20:05:38] <tterrag|laptop> correct?

L1535[20:05:59] <shadekiller666> not sure what you mean

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L1537[20:06:47] <tterrag|laptop> if it's a listed property, then its value should matter for block placement...

L1538[20:07:24] <shadekiller666> mhmm

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L1541[20:08:38] <shadekiller666> but the data paired with an unlisted property still needs to be given to the model loaders, so it can't be simply ignored

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L1543[20:09:50] <tterrag|laptop> not what I said

L1544[20:09:56] <tterrag|laptop> they should just all be equal to the item

L1545[20:10:04] <tterrag|laptop> the renderer can still use the data

L1546[20:10:07] <tterrag|laptop> but the item shouldn't care

L1547[20:10:37] <shadekiller666> mhmm

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L1549[20:10:47] <shadekiller666> well, the chunk in this case, but yes

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L1552[20:11:58] <gigaherz> is there something specific that has to be done for an entity to actually get spawned?

L1553[20:12:10] <gigaherz> my entity gets constructed... and then nothing

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L1556[20:12:39] <gigaherz> well I know where it is constructed, I'll step through it

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L1560[20:13:36] <gigaherz> oh

L1561[20:13:38] * gigaherz facepalms

L1562[20:13:43] <gigaherz> the entity MUST have a valid position XD

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L1565[20:17:16] <gigaherz> yay, it crashed rendering the entitym which means at least it got into the client Xd

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L1568[20:20:11] <Corosus> yeah spawn the entity before positioning it your gonna have a bad time, or no time

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L1579[20:34:40] <Kaiyouka> lol

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L1583[20:43:47] <gigaherz> hmmm how would I get the position of the hand on a player?

L1584[20:44:15] <gigaherz> eh nevermind that

L1585[20:45:20] <gigaherz> geh my mouse is starting to fail :(

L1586[20:45:30] <gigaherz> I'll have to rectify the microswitchagain :/

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L1595[21:21:22] <shadekiller666> does <value> instanceof Integer work if <value> is an int?

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L1597[21:23:05] <Laceh> yeah

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L1599[21:23:22] <Laceh> specially with boxing

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L1608[21:48:07] <shadekiller666> holy shit... the wrapper worked...

L1609[21:48:12] <Laceh> XD

L1610[21:48:53] <shadekiller666> getting the data out of it is a bit more ugly than it was before, but it works...

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L1619[22:14:40] <notapotato> I'm trying to create 4 metadata blocks but when I go to where the are located in there creative tab minecraft crashes with this error code: http://pastebin.com/HL4D2bDW. Here's my CrystalBlock class: http://pastebin.com/PaAKsz3W

L1620[22:15:30] <unascribed> your getIcon method is calling itself

L1621[22:16:02] <notapotato> I realize that now. How do I fix it?

L1622[22:16:28] <unascribed> return icons[meta];

L1623[22:17:44] <notapotato> thank you very much

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L1625[22:19:28] <notapotato> now that the blocks are done time to work on the items. Expect to hear from me soon xD

L1626[22:20:04] <unascribed> why'd you think that recursive call would work, anyway?

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L1630[22:24:48] <notapotato> i was following a tutorial i found online. they used the getIcon from a multitexture block. I didn't realize it was recursive on my end till after you pointed it out and i ran the class through the debugger

L1631[22:29:13] <unascribed> ah, okay

L1632[22:30:57] <Laceh> http://i.imgur.com/uZsibh4.png close

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L1634[22:31:04] <Laceh> synchronization issues are still a thing apparently XD

L1635[22:31:12] <Laceh> anyone got suggestions on how to fix this?

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L1637[22:35:30] <shadekiller666> packets?

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L1639[22:37:54] <Laceh> shadekiller666: Ive been using packets XD

L1640[22:38:04] <shadekiller666> then i have no idea

L1641[22:41:25] <williewillus> whats not syncing right?

L1642[22:43:28] <minecreatr> where does the TextureMap actually store the texture data once its been stitched?

L1643[22:43:43] <williewillus> in memory? :p

L1644[22:44:04] <williewillus> i don't think mc writes the stitched atlas back out anymore

L1645[22:44:05] <williewillus> it used to

L1646[22:44:26] <minecreatr> then how does it render it on screen?

L1647[22:44:31] <minecreatr> it cant render from nothing

L1648[22:44:43] <williewillus> it's in memory :p

L1649[22:44:46] <williewillus> idk which variable

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L1653[22:47:03] <williewillus> it seems in 1.8 the stitcher generates textureatlassprites and those are uploaded to VRAM

L1654[22:47:39] <minecreatr> yeah, it looks like opengl stores it on the gpu

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L1656[22:56:10] <shadekiller666> just pushed the changes that include the new wrapper for IUnlistedProperties: https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/pull/1945

L1657[22:57:36] <shadekiller666> read the commit message for changes

L1658[22:59:03] <shadekiller666> let me know what you guys think

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L1661[23:06:33] <williewillus> how do i get the item texturemap? appears to be a field and getter for the block one but not for item?

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L1668[23:41:20] <Dimitriye98> Hmm, weird, you'd think 4cl in vim would be equivalent to 4dl4i, but no, it's equivalent to c4l, or d4li, so it doesn't actually repeat what you insert. :/

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L1673[23:44:27] <Techfoxis> Hey, what does this mean? "par1Str"

L1674[23:45:21] <Dimitriye98> Techfoxis, it means the parameter is obfuscated.

L1675[23:45:31] <Techfoxis> Thanks

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L1677[23:48:15] <notapotato> how do you get ores with metadata to generate?

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L1681[23:57:24] <Techfoxis> What exactly does this snippet under the SidedProxy annotation do? "public static CommonProxy proxy;"

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L1684[23:59:26] <Techfoxis> I like how the author, cpw, left right before I asked >_<