OCLogs: 2026-04-21.log

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L8[05:29:09] <xxcoder> "You setup a mission to save Jeb orbiting Kerbin, and another Jeb marooned on Mun. To the extent you have a monopoly it's because everyone else sucks."

L9[05:29:20] <xxcoder> okay this is top tier

L10[05:51:56] <packbart> A monopoly on marooned Jebs

L11[05:52:34] <xxcoder> yep

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L15[10:25:16] <Azander> !mission

L16[10:25:16] <LunchBot> The junior pilots are too busy second-guessing themselves to second-guess Jeb. You have delayed KSP2's release by another year.

L17[10:25:27] <Azander> :(

L18[10:29:56] <Mat2ch> That outcome didn't age well...

L19[10:37:34] <Azander> nope

L20[11:08:41] <Althego> hehe

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L23[11:58:18] <packbart> technically, it is still in Early Access, available on Steam

L24[11:59:00] <packbart> albeit with "overwhelmingly negative" reviews https://store.steampowered.com/app/954850/Kerbal_Space_Program_2/

L25[12:00:24] <Mat2ch> Valve should really pull the plug here

L26[12:13:09] <darsie> Offer it for a reasonable price.

L27[12:22:30] <Mat2ch> at this point it's a scam.

L28[12:33:53] <darsie> sue, then.

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L30[12:48:38] <FLHerne> .mission add Arise, ye rockets, from your launchpads! Arise, ye spaceplanes, from the ground! For science leads us all along paths that will send us outward bound!

L31[12:48:39] <LunchBot> Added mission: Arise, ye rockets, from your launchpads! Arise, ye spaceplanes, from the ground! For science leads us all along paths that will send us outward bound!

L32[12:48:51] <FLHerne> this one should be obvious

L33[13:09:43] <packbart> space-ships a-riiise! ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9Lgj8vKBGA )

L34[13:09:49] <packbart> not that one, I guess :)

L35[13:16:08] <FLHerne> .outcome add So comrades, come rally, and the last flight let us face! The Interplanetale unites the Kerbal race!

L36[13:16:08] <LunchBot> Added outcome: So comrades, come rally, and the last flight let us face! The Interplanetale unites the Kerbal race!

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L38[13:46:37] <ksp> I did not expect this channel to still exist

L39[13:46:43] <ksp> yeah my nick is just ksp lol

L40[13:47:06] <ksp> not affiliated with anything though

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L43[13:52:37] <atlas> nisko are you here

L44[13:52:40] <atlas> *niako

L45[13:54:00] <packbart> this channel transcends time. even the topic is almost a year old

L46[13:54:03] <packbart> !mission

L47[13:54:04] <LunchBot> Bill mistakenly uses the wasabi-and-capsaicin concentrated flavorings as eyedrops. You leave out several critical intermediate steps.

L48[13:55:16] <packbart> I'll chalk that up as a success and re-frame the mission objective as research into "blind landings"

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L50[13:56:05] <atlas> Hi @niako

L51[13:56:52] <atlas> I might be about to disconnect for a little bit? I'll reconnect right after

L52[13:57:34] <niako> yello

L53[13:57:53] <niako> Hi @atlas

L54[13:58:00] <atlas> hi

L55[13:58:05] <Mat2ch> Are y'all new here?

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L57[13:58:18] <atlas> I'm new here but I think niako isn't?

L58[13:58:22] <niako> I think I joined back in around 2015

L59[13:58:27] <niako> Like, for a day or two

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L61[13:58:44] <Mat2ch> So you renewed your join ;)

L62[13:58:53] <Mat2ch> Wow, we don't get a lot of new people here

L63[13:58:58] <Mat2ch> Welcome!

L64[13:59:35] <niako> Thank you

L65[13:59:52] <niako> So, KSP

L66[14:00:37] <niako> Had a resurrgence and everything

L67[14:01:08] <Mat2ch> it did?

L68[14:01:22] <niako> Yeah, if you follow steam charts

L69[14:01:54] <niako> It has beaten the record of concurrent players like twice or thrice since the launch of Artemis II

L70[14:02:08] <FLHerne> That is a bit surprising

L71[14:02:39] <Mat2ch> It is

L72[14:03:58] <niako> I does feel nice to have all the "wacky ksp" userback imo. It has a lot of charm

L73[14:05:09] <Mat2ch> I'm not sure how lasting this will be. KSP is still fun, but you can see the age of it.

L74[14:05:42] <Mat2ch> But it's over ten years now. I guess several parents played it with their children for the Artemis II launch :D

L75[14:05:43] <niako> I think it's going to end up being like what happened post 1.0

L76[14:05:52] <niako> Please were playing, just not the huge influx that the update received

L77[14:06:05] <FLHerne> Mat2ch: I'm not sure that really matters

L78[14:06:06] <niako> People*, not please

L79[14:06:22] <FLHerne> Minecraft is made of cubes, it's all about the gameplay

L80[14:06:37] <FLHerne> which is exactly where KSP 2 failed utterly, of course

L81[14:07:01] <niako> KSP will be outdated the moment no x86 computers are being sold in the market

L82[14:07:07] <FLHerne> KSP 1's fundamental flaw wasn't lack of shiny graphics, it was being too slow to build some really cool things

L83[14:07:09] <niako> (And even then)

L84[14:07:29] <FLHerne> niako: it'll run fine with emulation by then

L85[14:07:58] <niako> I still have to try running KSP on my lil raspberry pi

L86[14:09:43] <Mat2ch> x86 will not die out. Not in the near future, probably not even in the far future.

L87[14:10:10] <Mat2ch> Everyone saying "oh, Arm is so much better" has no clue about cpus.

L88[14:10:19] <niako> I was exaggerating Mat2ch

L89[14:10:35] <niako> I personally want RISC-V to succeed

L90[14:10:49] <Mat2ch> Sorry. I'm having a cold and then I'm always getting angry at everything

L91[14:11:02] <niako> I'm a master complainer myself too

L92[14:11:10] <niako> Don't get me started on ARM

L93[14:11:50] * Mat2ch swears at the clouds

L94[14:12:09] <Mat2ch> those clouds should stop having holes in them where the sun can come through. It's too bright in here already

L95[14:13:33] <niako> Nonsense, the light is good, very good (Said as a Spaniard who's had multiple months of perpetual cloud coverage)

L96[14:15:35] <Mat2ch> we in Germany hadn't seen sunlight during winter for several month

L97[14:15:37] <Mat2ch> that was depressing

L98[14:16:41] <niako> Must suck there even more with the cold

L99[14:17:49] <Mat2ch> The sun showed up last month. Probably from a holiday in Spain :D

L100[14:18:19] <niako> Nowhere to be seen here either

L101[14:18:25] <niako> But it's here now, and dear god >30°C

L102[14:19:36] <Mat2ch> friends of mine always flee to Tenerife in winter and working from there...

L103[14:19:47] <Mat2ch> *work

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L105[14:21:50] <niako> hello

L106[14:23:07] <darsie> .

L107[14:29:58] <packbart> Mat2ch: nah, I already tested the AC's compressor in preparation for this year's three days of hot weather :)

L108[14:30:51] <Mat2ch> I hope that this year wont be as hot as last year. Last year was ok though. I have hope, this winter was long and the temperatures are still rather low

L109[14:31:28] <niako> It truly is the opposite here. I've already had to delay some activities because of the heat

L110[14:31:29] <Mat2ch> And my AC is still in the basement. Waiting to be reawakened

L111[14:31:32] <darsie> GHG and temperatures go up. There's variation, e.g. from el nino/nina.

L112[14:33:56] <darsie> Avoid fossil fuels and animal products. Have no/fewer children. Protest, elect sane politicians. Invest ecologically.

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L114[14:35:27] * packbart asks the AI chatbot what "ecologically" means

L115[14:35:53] <niako> You know, thinking logically, but with your brain on eco mode

L116[14:35:57] <niako> That's what phones taught me

L117[14:36:30] <packbart> aye, can do

L118[14:47:06] <Mat2ch> packbart: I almost fell for that joke. Almost.

L119[14:47:43] <Mat2ch> I hate sick days. When doing something feels like I'm 90 years old

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L124[14:54:28] <raptop> No idea if The Whispering Valley is good, but GOG's doing another giveaway, so...

L125[14:54:36] <packbart> Mat2ch: actually... I always hated kOS because of its asinine syntax. But I could ask Gemini to code me a launch guidance and such. huh

L126[14:54:38] <Mat2ch> darsie: personal sacrifice will not stop the climate crisis.

L127[14:54:56] <packbart> bursting the bubble one free token at a time

L128[14:54:56] <Mat2ch> packbart: It will just copy some code from github :P

L129[14:56:06] <darsie> Mat2ch: Ok, so I'll consume animal products and start flying.

L130[14:56:15] <packbart> yolo

L131[14:56:20] <Mat2ch> also there was that other interface, ah, krpc

L132[14:56:55] <packbart> yeah, but that's external. I used kRPC + Python to automate mining barges (launch, dock at refinery, land back at ore spot)

L133[14:56:58] <Mat2ch> the hard truth is: Those planes will also fly empty. Because they have to booked slots to land on airports and if they don't use them, they will lose them

L134[14:57:16] <packbart> there's Red Onion which I theoretically like better because it uses Lua

L135[14:57:28] <Mat2ch> packbart: I envy you. I never found the patience to automate KSP... :|

L136[14:57:51] <Mat2ch> *they have booked slots

L137[14:57:52] <packbart> I only did it that one time, I think

L138[14:58:03] <Mat2ch> (I hate being sick. It messes with my brain :(

L139[14:58:12] <packbart> the Python script mainly only triggered MechJeb commands, anyway

L140[14:58:36] <darsie> Mat2ch: Airlines will adept if demand goes down. Not instantly, but they will.

L141[14:58:44] <packbart> ah, it also transferred monoprop fuel to the lander, I remember

L142[14:59:01] <Mat2ch> the demand will only go down if fuel prices go up. But there isn't even a tax on kerosine, because of lobbyism

L143[14:59:36] <Mat2ch> another truth: If we don't get lobbyism (corruption...) under control, nothing will change.

L144[14:59:52] <Mat2ch> packbart: But at least you did something with it. :)

L145[14:59:53] <packbart> darsie: they did. the A380s have mostly been retired already

L146[15:00:20] <Mat2ch> Many are out of retirement again, because demand went up...

L147[15:00:56] <packbart> ah well

L148[15:03:37] <Mat2ch> we will die a terrible heat death, just so a few people could say that they had the most

L149[15:05:02] <packbart> eh. entropy schmentropy. it's a law of nature. can't be helped

L150[15:07:06] <Mat2ch> we're just speeding things up a bit

L151[15:07:48] <packbart> intelligent life as we know it requires low entropy to think straight. that's not a winning strategy in this universe, anyway

L152[15:07:49] <Mat2ch> And all I wanted was to become a long distane space trucker. But nooooooo

L153[15:08:13] <Mat2ch> In the 90s we were promised warp drives!

L154[15:08:19] <Mat2ch> Where are they?

L155[15:08:33] <Mat2ch> We got billionairs and ai slop instead.

L156[15:10:24] <packbart> warp drives require fusion first. we'll have that in 20 years! :)

L157[15:17:32] <darsie> Warp drive requires antimatter.

L158[15:18:22] <darsie> I'm producing antimatter every 15-20 min.

L159[15:22:59] <packbart> it only counts if you store and accumulate it

L160[15:26:44] <packbart> PET scanners make you glow from within

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L163[15:41:41] <Mat2ch> or we do black hole drives :D

L164[15:41:44] <Mat2ch> what could go wrong?

L165[15:45:59] <packbart> stationary wormholes are a bit useless, though. you'd have to brake from galactic speed to a universal stop, pass through, then catch up with your target zooming by in yet another galaxy

L166[15:46:54] <packbart> not to mention the problems with different time velocities at each end

L167[15:48:58] <Mat2ch> we just need a time compensator and we will be fine.

L168[15:49:47] <packbart> we need that anti-gravity generator anyhow. that should speed things up

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