L1[02:39:44] <raptop> !choose kitsune|kappa|karasu|kerbal

L2[02:39:44] <LunchBot> karasu

L3[02:39:53] <raptop> the crows are waiting...

L4[02:40:25] <xxcoder> !choose !mission|!lunch

L5[02:40:26] <LunchBot> !lunch

L6[02:40:29] <xxcoder> !lunch

L7[02:40:30] <LunchBot> Pork cylinders

L8[02:40:35] <xxcoder> ummm

L9[02:42:31] <xxcoder> is it same cylinder as that perfectly average cylinder?

L10[03:06:27] <raptop> Using lagrange multipliers to optimize your cylinder's surface area to volume ratio

L13[05:29:50] <FLHerne> .outcome add You don't only like the view and the micro-gravity, but you also like going up. That's so cool, every stage of going up.

L14[05:29:50] <LunchBot> Added outcome: You don't only like the view and the micro-gravity, but you also like going up. That's so cool, every stage of going up.

L15[05:30:20] <FLHerne> slightly misquoting Michaela Benthaus

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L23[09:16:36] <Mat2ch> So, is adding a mission that you instructed your country to land on the moon in just two years too much politics?

L24[09:29:28] <Mat2ch> !outcome add The deadline wasn't meant literally.

L25[09:29:28] <LunchBot> Added outcome: The deadline wasn't meant literally.

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L30[11:13:37] <FLHerne> Mat2ch: no, but does Kerbin have countries?

L31[11:14:13] <FLHerne> within 2028 is three years from today anyway

L32[11:18:33] <Mat2ch> I don't think that is possible.

L33[11:21:37] <Mat2ch> well, technically it is possible to hammer together a rocket that goes to the Moon. But how safe is that...

L34[11:36:32] <Deddly> The people of Krikkit made a spaceship in one year

L35[11:40:25] <Mat2ch> Ok, let's do inventory. We have two heavy lift vehicles capable of lifting something that can carry humans to the Moon.

L36[11:40:36] <Mat2ch> We are missing a lander and a transfer stage/option.

L37[11:40:41] <Mat2ch> Where do we get those?

L38[11:42:15] <Deddly> I am missing the context to this question

L39[11:42:39] <Mat2ch> The question is: How to achieve a Moon landing in just three years with the tools we have now.

L40[11:43:10] <Deddly> Is this an actual thing that is happening?

L41[11:44:03] <Mat2ch> Yes! The clown (please forgive me my wording here, I can't take this seriously) issued a decree that there shall be a Moon landing in 2028.

L42[11:45:05] <Mat2ch> So, three years. No suits, no lander, no transfer stage. Not even plans.

L43[11:45:08] <Deddly> OK, let's not call people clowns, but that's certainly an interesting topic of conversation

L44[11:45:17] <Deddly> I think NASA has suits, no?

L45[11:45:41] <Mat2ch> Nope. They had some developed, but stopped due to funding issues.

L46[11:46:13] <Mat2ch> Could they be finished? Maybe. With the current budget? Nope.

L47[11:47:06] <Deddly> I wonder if Blue Origin or SpaceX have something in the works

L48[11:48:47] <Deddly> SpaceX do, according to Wikipedia.

L49[11:49:01] <Mat2ch> SpaceX has a suit for leaving the capsule. But it has limits that would probably prevent you from walking on the Moon

L50[11:49:03] <Deddly> Well..

L51[11:49:17] <Deddly> I mean, it's not really for walking about

L52[11:49:25] <Deddly> Yeah

L53[11:49:27] <Mat2ch> Due to its design it should be rather stiff

L54[11:49:37] <Mat2ch> at least without an atmosphere around it.

L55[11:49:40] <Deddly> Is walking on the moon a requirement for the 2028 mission?

L56[11:50:04] <Mat2ch> Now that could be a funny loophole :D

L57[11:50:31] <Deddly> Hehe

L58[11:50:47] <Mat2ch> We are still missing the lander and transfer stage

L59[11:51:15] <Mat2ch> SpaceX can only transfer and land their ship if they refuel 10 times in earth orbit or so.

L60[11:51:42] <Deddly> That's for Mars, isn't it?

L61[11:51:57] <Mat2ch> Their lander is made for Moon landings

L62[11:52:07] <Deddly> They could dust off Red Dragon...

L63[11:52:45] <Deddly> I mean the 10 refuels - that was for a Mars mission. Does it require the same number of refuels for Moon?

L64[11:52:47] <Mat2ch> and place it on top of a Starship booster with a huge transfer stage. That could actually work

L65[11:52:55] <packbart> the important question is: does the mission include a mandatory return to Earth?

L67[11:55:42] <Mat2ch> You need around 4000 m/s dV to get from Earth orbit to Moon orbit.

L68[11:56:52] <Mat2ch> And around 5700 m/s dV from Earth orbit to Mars orbit (no aero capture)

L69[11:58:24] <Mat2ch> packbart: another loophole! :D

L71[12:18:16] <FLHerne> Mat2ch: SpaceX have had the HLS contract for years, they will certainly have plans

L72[12:18:58] <FLHerne> I think it would be possible to land people by 2028

L73[12:19:12] <FLHerne> it might not be safe, but Apollo wasn't either

L74[12:19:43] <FLHerne> it does need orbital refuelling to work

L75[12:20:47] <KrazyKrl> ;mission add Bill's tympani solo gets interrupted by an explosion and faint screaming.

L76[12:20:47] <LunchBot> Added mission: Bill's tympani solo gets interrupted by an explosion and faint screaming.

L77[12:21:16] <KrazyKrl> !8ball if tires are shoes for your car, are the wheel rims the car's socks?

L78[12:21:17] <LunchBot> They who dance are thought mad by those who hear not the music.

L79[12:21:27] <KrazyKrl> erm... o...k...

L80[12:24:32] <Deddly> LOL

L81[12:26:07] <Deddly> Mat2ch, assuming they're going with Starship for the whole thing, the genius of that idea is that a lot of the development costs are covered by SpaceX themselves who want the tech to work for their own projects. So it makes sense from that standpoint.

L82[12:37:00] <darsie> 1337

L83[12:39:55] <Deddly> Indeed

L84[13:03:44] <Mat2ch> FLHerne: According to Wikipedia the Starship HLS plan is to refuel several times in Earth orbit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_HLS

L85[13:08:09] <FLHerne> KrazyKrl: I think inner tubes are car socks and tubeless tyres are sockless

L86[13:09:08] <Mat2ch> And I don't think about the cost here, the timeframe doesn't workout...

L87[13:10:14] <FLHerne> KrazyKrl: also, perhaps one can dance to a tympani solo

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L91[14:07:56] <Deddly> !8ball Is it a good idea to launch a Moon mission in 2028?

L92[14:07:57] <LunchBot> The future is strangely clouded. I can tell you nothing.

L93[14:21:06] <Deddly> !mission

L94[14:21:06] <LunchBot> UmbralRaptor explodes, emitting all kinds of dinosaur DNA. Anubis weighs your soul, and finds it substantially heavier than MechJeb's.

L97[17:46:38] <Azander> !mission

L98[17:46:38] <LunchBot> You accidentally spill the tray of googly eyes all over the space capsule. When you die you want your corpse to be packed with gunpowder and catapulted into a volcano on Moho. No mourning allowed!

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