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L7[01:16:02] <Judge_Deddly> !mission
L8[01:16:02] <LunchBot> You try to play Buzz
Aldrin's Space Program. You catalyze a vacuum metastability
event.
L9[01:17:58] <Althego> utlimate villain,
destroys the whole universe
L10[01:18:19] <Mat2ch> !mission
L11[01:18:19] <LunchBot> You attempt to
land in an active volcano. Your computer melts into a pool of
molten silicon, metal and ribbon cables.
L12[01:18:34] <Althego> yes obviously
L13[01:18:35] <Mat2ch> Yes, that happens if
you do that...
L14[01:18:38] <Althego> alonf with the
ship
L15[01:19:14] <Mat2ch> and myself
L16[01:20:03] <Judge_Deddly> Nah
you'll be fine
L17[01:20:30] <Judge_Deddly> You're in
mission control and dear crew can't sue
L19[01:20:44] <Judge_Deddly> !outcome add
Good news! Dead crew cannot sue you.
L20[01:20:44] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
Good news! Dead crew cannot sue you.
L21[01:21:05] <Althego> yes they can once
they come back
L22[01:21:11] <Althego> or their
families
L23[01:22:22] <Judge_Deddly> Well, you can
ensure their clones are on the next Eve mission, and their
families, well, you're the one with the rockets
L24[01:23:34] <Judge_Deddly> Also, I wonder
if I'm the only one who plays with respawning turned
off?
L25[01:30:46] <Mat2ch> no, you are
not
L26[01:30:58] <Mat2ch> but I always tried
to keep all my Kerbals alive.
L27[01:32:09] <Judge_Deddly> Same here. As
soon as I can, I design in escape mechanisms for experimental
craft, and my tourist SSTOs are extensively tested with only the
pilot in them
L28[01:42:30] <Mat2ch> I just do return to
launchpad and lots of quicksaves ;)
L29[01:43:25] <Judge_Deddly> I find it fun
to play permadeath
L30[01:45:35] <Mat2ch> if you add all the
oxygen and food management it get's really interesting (and
hard)
L31[01:46:51] <sandbox> apostrophes are
hard
L32[01:47:37] <Mat2ch> sorry, I'm a
bit tired
L33[01:47:50] <Mat2ch> not enough sleep and
I need a new mattress :/
L34[01:50:06] <Judge_Deddly> I held out for
stock life support for years :(
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L37[05:38:27] <Judge_Deddly> Om man, I just
discovered Powertoys
L38[05:38:40] <Judge_Deddly> How is this
not standard in Windows??
L39[05:39:28] <Mat2ch> You should've
searched for Linux :P
L40[05:39:30] *
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L41[05:39:33] <Mat2ch> I use Debian
btw
L42[05:40:19] <Judge_Deddly> I have
absolutely nothing against Linux. In fact, I would love to have it
as my daily driver. But there are some custom applications that I
use on a daily basis that just don't work.
L43[05:40:24] <Judge_Deddly> Maybe through
a VM
L44[05:40:35] <Judge_Deddly> In fact, I
would also like to try Aros
L45[05:41:17] <Judge_Deddly> With my new
computer, I might actually be able to try running apps in a
VM
L46[05:45:49] <Mat2ch> You can try and run
them with Wine
L47[05:50:01] <Judge_Deddly> Does Wine work
with Microsoft store apps yet?
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L51[05:55:58] <Deddly> Last time I checked,
that doesn't work
L52[05:56:35] <Deddly> But that was a long
time ago
L53[06:08:28] <Deddly> !mission
L54[06:08:28] <LunchBot> You get a slight
hydraulic fluid injection injury. You fool! You've killed us
all!
L55[06:12:15] <Mat2ch> UWP apps will be a
problem. It looks like some people are working on it, but to me
this seems like I'm back in 2005...
L56[06:21:53] <Judge_Deddly> I'll soon
be installing Linux on my old machine, so I'll have a play
around with that at some point. But I don't think it has the
oomph to run a VM
L57[06:22:49] <Judge_Deddly> Is Mint still
the go-to for those used to Windows?
L58[06:30:32] <Mat2ch> It got a release
lately, so yes
L59[06:30:47] <Mat2ch> I'm not a
Ubuntu fan though, I stick to Debian
L60[06:31:38] <Judge_Deddly> There is a
Debian variant of Mint
L61[06:31:45] <Judge_Deddly> Or at least,
there used to be one
L62[06:32:35] <Judge_Deddly> What is the
advantage of Debian over Ubuntu? Rolling updates?
L63[06:35:03] <Althego> that ubuntu us
shit
L64[06:35:24] <Althego> in turn debian is
always old, unless you use testing or unstable
L65[06:36:16] <Althego> ubuntu is always
pushing the latest fad from canonical
L66[06:36:27] <Althego> which fails half of
the time
L67[06:36:36] <Althego> so you have to
fight some nonstandard stuff
L68[06:37:42] <Althego> now some packages,
like browsers or mail client comes in flatpak instead of apt, so
for example thunderbird creates a temp dir in downloads, because
they think it is sane
L69[06:37:51] <Althego> it drives me insane
every time i see it
L70[06:38:02] *
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L71[06:38:15] <Althego> yes i realized it
after i wrote it
L72[06:38:22] <Judge_Deddly> :P
L73[06:39:07] <Judge_Deddly> I last used
Linux on a regular basis before flatpak existed and the whole thing
confuses me
L74[06:39:33] <Althego> apparently the last
decades programmers think you cant have enough package
managers
L75[06:39:51] <Judge_Deddly> Flatpak files
are ginormous, right?
L76[06:39:53] <Althego> one for the os, one
for perl, one for python, one for rust, one for the fun of it (that
is flatpak)
L77[06:40:33] <Judge_Deddly> Didn't
the Mint devs refuse to support Flatpak, or am I remembering
wrong?
L78[06:41:05] <Althego> oh and in 24.4 i
again cant play sid files because it failes for some reason
L79[06:41:41] <Judge_Deddly> Anyway, so,
Althego, are you saying that Ubuntu itself is rubbish and that also
applies to Mint? And that Debian is rubbish, which also applies to
the other Mint variant?
L80[06:41:56] <Althego> piéseaudio, another
plague lennart poettering cursed us with
L81[06:42:25] <Althego> it can work
L82[06:42:28] <Althego> for some people,
sure
L83[06:42:43] <Althego> but i dont even do
much with it, and still annoys me
L84[06:43:14] <Althego> debian has
different problems
L85[06:43:37] <Judge_Deddly> Maybe I should
just go with Aros and done with it
L86[06:43:41] <Althego> like when it comes
with a broken kernel and i am trying to install new ones from
backports whenever they come out, hoping those would fix the
pronlem
L87[06:44:04] <Althego> doesnt seem to be
to bad this time around. yet
L88[06:44:42] <Althego> also never use
btrf, it is not worth it
L89[06:45:05] <Judge_Deddly> I don't
know what that means
L90[06:45:18] <Judge_Deddly> Which distro
are you using, anyway?
L91[06:45:19] <Althego> btrfs
L92[06:45:48] <Althego> oh but it is fast.
yes, until it is slow, because deleting can be slow. and eats up
all the io. or there is something wrong in the kernel causing data
loss. looking at you parent transid verify failed error
L93[06:46:49] <Judge_Deddly> OK.
Weird
L94[06:46:52] <Althego> normally i would
use debian, and most of the systems i "rule over" use
them. but the company laptop has ubuntu
L95[06:49:59] <Althego> the idea of lxc is
good. but then ubuntu could not let it be, they had to make lxd. ah
because it is better (cant really be, uses the same underlying
thing). apparently the community could not accept this, so now
there is incus. supposedly even betterer. ah yes, i am goingto let
you fight it out, i will stay on lxc
L96[06:52:02] <Judge_Deddly> I don't
know what any of these things are
L97[06:52:55] <Althego> lxc is basically
chroot with kernel assisted limitations so that it can work as a
sandbox. doesnt have its own kernel, but most of the time this is
good, and takes less resource
L98[06:53:09] <Althego> (than a vm)
L99[06:54:25] <Judge_Deddly> And chroot
is...?
L100[06:57:09] <Althego> chroot moves the
filesystem root to somewhere else (as root). so for example you can
have a complete other linux in a subdirectory and run programs in
that environment (i used to run suse on debian this way). the
kernel is shared between the host and guest., which can have
drawbacks. but chroot was never designed to eb a sandbox, but only
for having a separate environment. that is where lxc nad later lxd
comes in. based on kernel
L101[06:57:09] <Althego> cgroups, it can
actually limit access. so if you dont need a specific kernel or cpu
architecture, linux on linux is good in an lxc
L102[06:58:15] <Judge_Deddly> That's
pretty cool
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L104[07:02:34] <Althego> vm on linux
usually means qemu, which can emulate different hardware
architectures, and gives you full vm. i have never even tried to
use that bare. but proxmox does a good job at giving you control
over both lxc containers and qemu vms. it is its own distro
though
L105[07:03:30] <Judge_Deddly> I'll
have to look into it later – I still have Windows on it for a
bit
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L110[07:42:51] <Mat2ch> Judge_Deddly:
chroot is just moving the root-directory to a different place, runs
on the same level as the current kernel. lxc is container
virtualization. Uses the virtualization extension of the cpu. But
container virtualization means you are not running your own kernel.
qemu is full virtualization (using the virtualization extension of
your cpu as well), but runs its own
L111[07:42:53] <Mat2ch> kernel.
L112[07:43:29] <Mat2ch> and flatpack is
just "we are putting aaaaaalllllll the files a program needs
and the program itself in a zip file and run it.
L113[07:44:41] <Mat2ch> Waste of space,
makes integration hard, totally not the unix philosophy, so perfect
for ubuntu.
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L119[08:19:32] <Judge_Deddly> Thanks for
the info Mat2ch
L120[08:20:56] <Judge_Deddly> So it's
basically like some old applications that required Workbench back
in the floppy disk era - sometimes they would bundle a cut-down
version of the OS right on the floppy
L121[08:36:49] <Mat2ch> it's more
like the windows way, where every program brings their own DLLs
even if they exist already.
L122[08:40:11] <Judge_Deddly> !mission add
You install Biebian and Hanna Montana Linux on all of your
hardware.
L123[08:40:12] <LunchBot> Added mission:
You install Biebian and Hanna Montana Linux on all of your
hardware.
L124[08:42:12] <Mat2ch> Ah, Hanna Montana
Linux. That was the best :D
L125[09:10:25] <Judge_Deddly> Beibian
tho
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L138[10:06:33] <Silent_but_Deddly>
!mission
L139[10:06:33] <LunchBot> You have come
here to chew bubblegum and launch rockets, but you are all out of
bubblegum. Neal gets in trouble for even mentioning the
events.
L140[10:07:11] <Silent_but_Deddly> I
remember seeing that mission a number of times. Interesting how RNG
works
L141[10:09:41] <Althego> i think i added
that
L142[10:10:15] <Althego> last time i
looked it up, if i really added it
L143[10:10:20] <Althego> that was just a
search
L144[10:10:27] <Althego> i dont remember
seeing it too often
L145[10:10:48] <Althego> although it could
happen when i am asleep
L146[10:22:38] <Silent_but_Deddly> Ah
yeah, you looked it up
L147[10:24:59] <Althego> T-13 min
L149[10:27:39] <Althego> i swear something
is constraining international bandwidth
L151[10:27:42] <Althego> ah finally is
loaded
L152[10:27:43] <Althego> yes
L153[10:28:16] <Silent_but_Deddly> You get
pinged for all x.com domains? That's nice :D
L154[10:28:25] <Althego> i suggest the sfn
streams, thye have really good tracking lately, and of course also
mix in the spacex stream
L155[10:28:40] * X
is not consuming all the bandwidth in the world yet
L156[10:28:48] * X
will grow as he evolves
L157[10:28:56] <Silent_but_Deddly>
Hehe
L158[10:29:06] <Althego> is this some kind
of pokemon reference?
L159[10:29:16] * X
will reach singularity
L160[10:29:30] <Althego> fog, must be
vandenberg
L161[10:29:47] <Silent_but_Deddly>
Althego, NSF have better streams than SpaceX themselves?
L162[10:30:12] *
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L163[10:30:17] <Silent_but_Deddly>
fix*
L164[10:30:24] <Silent_but_Deddly> That
was an unfortunate typo
L165[10:30:34] <Althego> maybe not always,
i dont think they always have the camera on site. but when they do,
that is better than nsf (yes, confusing, sfn is not nsf)
L166[10:30:55] <Silent_but_Deddly> Oh
wait... Who are SFN?
L167[10:31:10] <Althego> the only
bettertracking is uslaunchreport, but that is never live, they
release footage later
L168[10:31:42] <Silent_but_Deddly> Oooh
Spaceflight Now
L169[10:31:44] <Althego> sfn: spaceflight
now, nsf: nasa spaceflight (not nasa), nfs: need for speed
(game)
L170[10:31:51] <X> SLC-4E
L171[10:33:14] <X> “Getting to space is
the first step
L172[10:33:24] <X> In building our multi
planetary future”
L173[10:34:12] <Althego> second is seizing
the means of production? :)
L174[10:35:17] <Althego> anyway since
spacex doesnt stream on yt now, it is better to watch the launches
on some other channel
L175[10:35:22] <Althego> instead of
twitter
L176[10:35:48] <Silent_but_Deddly> I
see.
L177[10:36:04] <Silent_but_Deddly> Or you
could watch one of a bajillion fake streams
L178[10:36:34] <Silent_but_Deddly> SpaceX
official stream is a better picture of this view
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L180[10:37:02] <Silent_but_Deddly>
It's sharper and better contrast
L181[10:37:06] <Silent_but_Deddly> I have
them both open
L182[10:37:13] <Althego> it was always
worse for me on twitter
L183[10:37:22] <Althego> basically blocky
all the time
L184[10:37:41] <Althego> and as i said,
depending on the launch site they might have their own external
tracking camera
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L186[10:38:12] <Althego> here we go
L187[10:38:15] <Silent_but_Deddly> X, fix
your bandwidth for Althego
L188[10:39:15] <Silent_but_Deddly> Hehe
double plumes. I have also had that bug
L189[10:39:45] <Althego> lol
L190[10:40:45] <Althego> ah yes, no
internakl views because of the payload
L191[10:41:09] <Silent_but_Deddly> Is it
military?
L192[10:41:14] <Althego> yes, nrol
L193[10:42:03] <Althego> hah and earth is
not flat
L194[10:42:13] <Althego> still
L195[10:43:04] <Silent_but_Deddly>
Whaaaaaaaaaa
L196[10:43:12] <Silent_but_Deddly>
FAKE
L197[10:44:19] <Althego> carter, i can see
my house
L198[10:46:31] <Silent_but_Deddly> Crazy
stuff
L199[10:48:14] <X> How do they get the
rocket to land in the same spot? Do they not do a gravity turn
before separation?
L200[10:48:42] <Mat2ch> the do, but they
also do a boost back
L201[10:48:45] <Althego> there was a
little time while the rocket was completely horizontal
L202[10:48:51] <Althego> that was when it
was doing the boostback burn
L203[10:49:02] <Mat2ch> without the upper
stage and most of the fuel the boost back burn is really
cheap
L204[10:49:02] <Althego> that was when i
said not flat earth
L205[10:49:23] <Althego> because for a
wide angle lense you can be s ure there is no distortion when the
line goes through the center
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L209[11:53:48] <Silent_but_Deddly> Gotta
love it how all these conspiracy theorists pour over photographs
and video in the minutest detail and yet then don't know the
slightest thing about optics or photography.
L210[12:12:05] <xxcoder> they sure love
those low resolution imahes
L211[12:12:19] <xxcoder> plenty to get
"details"
L212[12:13:18] <Mat2ch> we should use AI
to enhance these images
L213[12:13:49] <xxcoder> low res is still
champon, ai would add all kinds of "details" they
want
L214[12:14:05] <Althego> hehe like the
samsung moon pictures, right? :)
L215[12:14:37] <xxcoder> dont think I ever
seen that
L216[12:16:37] <Althego> when the hpone
thought you were taking pictures of the moon, it put in a generated
imagw which was hgher resolution than possible with that
camera
L217[12:17:06] <xxcoder> lol
L218[12:17:09] <xxcoder> thats crazy
L219[12:18:03] <xxcoder> how was that
found out?
L220[12:18:12] <Althego> pretty fast
:)
L221[12:19:51] <xxcoder> how, not how fast
;)
L222[12:30:30] <xxcoder> in other words,
how did people figure that moon was "enchanced"
L224[12:32:04] <xxcoder> lol
L225[12:32:37] <FLHerne> .mission add
"Dead crew cannot sue you," you thought - but then Jeb
came back...
L226[12:32:37] <LunchBot> Added mission:
"Dead crew cannot sue you," you thought - but then Jeb
came back...
L227[12:33:47] <xxcoder> vats for the
win
L228[12:36:46] <xxcoder> ;outcome add
Insurance companies sue you because you kept insuring your crew,
kill them, make an insurance claim, then get crew back via the
vats.
L229[12:36:46] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
Insurance companies sue you because you kept insuring your crew,
kill them, make an insurance claim, then get crew back via the
vats.
L230[12:37:05] <Silent_but_Deddly>
That's a clever scheme
L231[12:38:25] <Althego> .mission add You
are tasked with destroying the infected robots on the munar
outpost.
L232[12:38:25] <LunchBot> Added mission:
You are tasked with destroying the infected robots on the munar
outpost.
L233[12:40:51] <FLHerne> .mission add You
are tasked with infecting the destroyed robots on the munar
outpost.
L234[12:40:51] <LunchBot> Added mission:
You are tasked with infecting the destroyed robots on the munar
outpost.
L235[12:44:34] <Silent_but_Deddly> ü
;(
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L237[12:45:03] <Althego> well, t is lunar
outpost originally
L238[12:45:21] <Althego> why would you
infect sestroyed robots
L239[12:46:03] <raptop>
<@Silent_but_Deddly> Gotta love it how all these conspiracy
theorists pour over photographs and video in the minutest detail
and yet then don't know the slightest thing about optics or
photography. < -- compare with how many "UFO
sightings" are by people who don't know how to use a
camera
L240[12:46:43] <Silent_but_Deddly> Ah
yes
L241[12:47:01] <Silent_but_Deddly>
I'm assuming these people also don't know how to use a
spoon to feed themselves
L242[12:47:08] <raptop> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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L249[13:22:28] <Silent_but_Deddly> (I love
that sketch)
L250[13:22:41] <Silent_but_Deddly> Not
sketch... scene
L251[13:27:18] <Althego> not loadinf
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