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L13[04:17:20] <XXCoder> ;mission
L14[04:17:20] <LunchBot> You go back in
time to save the mother of the man who defeats the robot uprising.
You fly to a wrong orbit.
L15[04:17:36] <XXCoder> damn like superman,
but less smart
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L33[09:39:25] <sandbox> !mission
L34[09:39:25] <LunchBot> Why do you always
have more spare parts after fixing rockets? A boat is in the way,
and everyone complains until its interference is dealt with.
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L39[11:10:00] <Eddi|zuHause> i think that
was the plot of terminator
L40[11:10:32] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission
L41[11:10:32] <LunchBot> Bill finds some
unconnected cables and after some fiddling labels them "I
don't know where these go". The ensuing fireball melts your
GPU.
L42[11:10:57] <Althego> currently starship
launch is delayed to 12:50 utc
L43[11:11:08] <Althego> about 99 minutes
remaining
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L48[12:06:08] <FLHerne> .mission add Jeb,
Bill and Bob all leave the controls to eat dinner.
L49[12:06:08] <LunchBot> Added mission:
Jeb, Bill and Bob all leave the controls to eat dinner.
L50[12:06:21] <FLHerne> .outcome 20 minutes
later your ship crashes into a rock.
L51[12:06:21] <LunchBot> No outcome found
matching "20 minutes later your ship crashes into a
rock.".
L52[12:06:26] <FLHerne> .outcome add 20
minutes later your ship crashes into a rock.
L53[12:06:26] <LunchBot> Added outcome: 20
minutes later your ship crashes into a rock.
L55[12:06:56] <FLHerne> .mission fixup
s/dinner./dinner, leaving a random greyshirt in charge./
L56[12:06:56] <LunchBot> New text is: Jeb,
Bill and Bob all leave the controls to eat dinner, leaving a random
greyshirt in charge.
L58[12:07:40] <darsie> ##space @
libera.chat
L59[12:11:34] <Eddi|zuHause> i'd imagine
that kind of thing happens regularly.
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L62[12:26:13] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission
L63[12:26:13] <LunchBot> Just to spite HAL,
you ignore all of Jupiter's other moons and head straight for
Europa with your lander. It is used by nefarious porpoises.
L64[12:27:48] <FLHerne> so there is life
under the ice sheet
L65[12:51:10] <raptop> Note to self: they
start pitching way before KSP players
L66[12:52:54] <Althego> basically all
rockets start pitching after clearing the tower. one reason is, if
it explodes it shouldnt fall back to the launch pad
L67[12:59:36] <Althego> booster splashed
down now we have to wait for reentry
L68[13:01:52] <FLHerne> raptop: KSP's
airmosphere is weird
L69[13:01:57] <Deddly> Wow what a
launch
L70[13:02:17] <FLHerne> it's Earth-like
density/depth despite the planet's gravity being much lower
L71[13:02:29] <FLHerne> also nonsensical
drag mechanics
L72[13:02:48] <raptop> They're less bad
post-1.0, though still silly
L73[13:02:51] <Deddly> I pitch right after
launching. Works better for me
L74[13:02:59] <raptop> Also, don't ask why
Kerbin has a lower scale height than Duna
L75[13:03:46] <FLHerne> .stupid state of
matter
L76[13:03:46] <LunchBot> "People
always said the old placeholder was like flying in soup, but I
disagree; it was like flying in some state of matter not currently
known to man."
L77[13:04:02] <FLHerne> the post-1.0 one is
more soup-like
L78[13:05:33] <Eddi|zuHause> if i turn too
early i usually don't make it to space
L79[13:06:40] <Deddly> I always try for a
tiny bit of tilt to the east and then mostly let go of the controls
with SAS turned off. If I got it right, it's a perfect gravity
turn. I don't always get it right :)
L80[13:06:59] <Mat2ch> there's an optimal
profil. And you should be almost flat at 10 km for good
efficiency
L81[13:07:15] <Deddly> I have even done
rockets that are tilted from the launch clamps
L82[13:07:55] <Deddly> Mat2ch, atmosphere
is still really thick at 10. Are you sure you don't mean closer to
20 or 30 km?
L83[13:08:28] <Mat2ch> you are going rather
fast at 10 km so you will travel to this layer rather quickly
L84[13:08:41] <Deddly> Once you're going
over 1,800 m/s at 10 km, parts are going to start "hot
staging" from your rocket
L85[13:08:52] <Mat2ch> that's too fast
;)
L86[13:09:08] <Mat2ch> you have to throttle
down!
L87[13:09:27] <Deddly> The optimal launch
includes throttling down for Max-Q even in KSP?
L88[13:10:26] <Deddly> I was really
surprised they pulled off the ocean landing of the booster even
with one engine out and such a late landing burn
L89[13:10:27] <Mat2ch> yes
L90[13:10:51] <Mat2ch> you have to throttle
back, because your TWR increases
L91[13:11:08] <Althego> possibly not all
engines were burning during landing
L92[13:11:13] <Althego> i mean
intentionally
L93[13:11:31] <Althego> remember even
falvon 9 with 1 engine is too light for that engine and twr is way
above 1
L94[13:11:36] <Deddly> They said on the
stream that 13 engines would be lit for the landing burn, and there
were only 12.
L95[13:12:29] <Deddly> There was also one
engine that shut down on the initial launch, and it just continued
as if everything was perfectly nominal. It's been a great launch so
far
L96[13:12:58] <Althego> that is my problem
with the lot of engiens approach. you have engine out capability,
but you also have to use it every time
L97[13:17:32] <darsie> I've throttled down
to avoid overheating, I guess on KSP2, too.
L98[13:19:19] <Deddly> Most of my time in
KSP has been with spaceplanes. I discovered that a poking a large
landing gear into the nose helps increase your maximum speed before
thermally induced fireworks occur
L99[13:20:06] <Deddly> Althego, you mean
the added complexity increases the likelihood of one of the engines
failing?
L100[13:20:39] <Mat2ch> Althego: It looks
like one engine exploded on shutdown, but they did some hovering
for several seconds with three engines
L101[13:21:11] <Deddly> Raptor is already
enormous. Imagine the size of that thing if they were going to
build one single engine
L102[13:21:14] <Althego> Deddly: the more
of x you have the less tour combined mtbs is
L103[13:21:21] <Althego> mtbf
L104[13:21:42] <Deddly> MTBF?
L105[13:21:48] <Althego> mean time between
failures
L106[13:21:52] <Deddly> Ah
L107[13:22:14] <Althego> i wish they would
fix the cameras before rentry
L108[13:22:17] <Mat2ch> still impressive
what they are achieving here
L109[13:22:35] <Mat2ch> starlink problems
:D
L110[13:22:59] <Deddly> I don't disagree.
But if you think about SpaceX' long-term plan, any failure that
results in loss of vehicle or failed launch would be much more
serious than a few engines that don't work from time to time
L111[13:26:08] <Deddly> Althego, even if
one engine fails every, say, five launches, that would be one in
165. So if you were to have the same failure rate on a theoretical
Starship booster that has one gigantic Sea Dragon-style engine,
that would mean a loss of the entire stack every 165 launches on
average. I would rather have moar boosters
L112[13:27:20] <darsie> What's the Isp of
rocket engines under water?
L113[13:28:28] <Althego> how many merlin
engines have failed? i remember one lately and that is why a
booster didnt land, but nothing else come to mind
L114[13:28:40] <Althego> so they can still
do better on the reliability
L115[13:28:52] <Althego> although it is
not fair to compare the merlin to a raptor
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L117[13:30:29] <raptop> F9F1 had a failure
during ascent, so there were some secondary objectives that had to
be dropped due to insufficient propellant IIRC
L118[13:30:35] <raptop> But also, that was
a *long* time ago
L119[13:34:33] <FLHerne> Althego: three, I
think
L120[13:34:43] <FLHerne> on F9
L121[13:34:51] <FLHerne> four if you count
F1 flight 1
L122[13:35:22] <Althego> anyway like
hundreds of launches with 9 engines on the first stage and one
failure
L123[13:35:23] <FLHerne> five if you count
the failed test relight in orbit on the first F9 v1.1 flight
L124[13:35:27] <Althego> here it
comes
L125[13:49:26] <Althego> the flap bvurnt
through
L126[13:49:31] <Althego> still
attached
L127[13:57:21] <Althego> seems total
success
L128[13:57:27] <Althego> at was a naiul
biter
L129[13:57:28] <raptop> it *landed*
L130[13:57:30] <Althego> like a
movie
L131[13:57:46] <Deddly> Wow that was
totally kerbal
L132[13:59:28] <Mat2ch> I'm
speechless
L133[14:00:51] <Deddly> I just can't get
over the fact that we had a nearly constant feed all the way down,
and the flap worked even after it has been burnt through
L134[14:01:26] <Mat2ch> this...
L135[14:01:34] <Althego> they were really
lucky with that flap
L136[14:01:41] <Althego> problably a few
more seconds and it would have torn off
L137[14:01:58] <Mat2ch> or completely
burnt away
L138[14:02:12] <Mat2ch> next flight the
flaps will be reinforced
L139[14:02:27] <Althego> the problem is
the heat shield on a moving part
L140[14:02:33] <Althego> i cnat imagine
how they can fix it
L141[14:03:04] <Mat2ch> more overlap
maybe
L142[14:03:08] <Deddly> Althego,
"Probably a few more seconds..." I was thinking that the
entire way down when all those sparks were flying off it
L143[14:03:19] <Mat2ch> The sparks were
burning metal, right?
L144[14:03:21] <Althego> maybe blow some
gas in the slit and not let the hot air in
L145[14:03:36] <Althego> the pressurei s
low so they could really just blow it away
L146[14:03:41] <Mat2ch> I think they
talked about that
L147[14:03:44] <Althego> maybe from the
pressurized tank
L148[14:04:31] <Deddly> A crazy idea, but
hear me out... how about perspiration cooling? ;)
L149[14:04:55] <Mat2ch> spraying water on
it? No, too crazy
L150[14:05:06] <Deddly> Not water -
fuel
L151[14:05:07] <Althego> also starliner is
docking
L152[14:05:22] <Deddly> I.e., the original
idea before they decided to go with tiles
L153[14:05:28] <Althego> original idea was
fuel evaporation cooling on the skin
L154[14:05:39] <Althego> and i still say
the tiles are stupid
L155[14:06:35] <Mat2ch> has anyone really
tried evaporating fuel on reentry?
L156[14:06:57] <Althego> no
L157[14:13:36] <Mat2ch> and will they try
to recover the parts of the booster and ship that might have
survived?
L158[14:15:08] <Deddly> They never said
they had any plans to recover anything
L159[14:15:31] <Althego> they said they
dont want to recover anything
L160[14:18:10] <Mat2ch> So if something is
swimming, someone with a shotgun has to get in a boat? :D
L161[14:20:19] <Althego> maybe they depend
on aggressive orcas which attack ships to sink it :)
L162[14:21:03] <Deddly> Aren't they at all
concerned that a third party could get hold of some of their
hardware if it DOES float?
L163[14:21:38] <Mat2ch> They are
L164[14:21:47] <Mat2ch> also the FTS is
still on there
L165[14:21:53] <Mat2ch> so could be
dangerous
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L176[17:38:43] <Althego> meanwhile
starliner docked
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L180[18:03:05] <Althego> SpaceX's Starship
Literally Melted! But It Kept Flying To A Miraculous Landing!
L181[18:03:52] <raptop> Technically not
the first time we've gotten video from a spacecraft for the entire
way down, though the first time it was live I think
L183[18:04:33] <Althego> hehe, the
granddady is still active
L184[18:05:37] <raptop> HST has been in
orbit for the majority of the space age o_O
L185[18:06:07] <Althego> there is a plan
forming for dragon to go up and repair it
L186[18:06:13] <Althego> would be
nice
L187[18:07:03] <raptop> There are risks,
but seeing as it's becoming increasingly inoperable, I'd expect
them to be acceptable risks soon
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L192[18:34:08] <Mat2ch> raptop: was there
anytime a camera on the outside of a spacecraft reentering?
L193[18:36:52] <raptop> As best I'm aware,
this was the first time for an external camera
L194[18:37:46] <raptop> Unless those
Saturn V cameras that recorded stage separation count
L195[18:37:54] <Althego> there was the
previous test but that got destroyed without control
L196[18:38:01] <raptop> hrm, maybe some
silliness with Shuttle SRBs?
L197[18:38:22] <Althego> there is indeed
footage from the srbs all the way up and down
L198[18:38:31] <Althego> but shoe never
went up to orbital speed
L199[18:56:57] <Deddly> There was a Falcon
9 fairing half with control surfaces and cameras on board. I think
that counts as a spacecraft
L200[19:06:13] <Mat2ch> In a very kerbal
way you can see the hot staging ring in the background falling
slower than the booster. Woah.
L201[19:06:22] <Mat2ch> Deddly: true
L202[19:06:41] <Mat2ch> uh, more helium
leaks on Starliner
L203[19:07:24] <Deddly> Starliner LAUNCHED
with a helium leak, didn't it? I'm sure I read somewhere that they
determined that it wasn't bad enough to scrub the flight
L204[19:13:18] <raptop> So, do the
astronauts actually have squeeky voices, or are the leaks all
elsewhere?
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L206[20:30:21] <Eddi|zuHause>
!mission
L207[20:30:22] <LunchBot> You hire Rube
Goldberg to make your next rocket. Entropy wins in the end, most
great and glorious things ultimately arrive at darkness and ruin,
and that is no damn kind of reason to give up.
L208[20:30:59] <Eddi|zuHause> that's the
essence of every rube goldberg machine?
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L213[21:15:52] <raptop> !mission
L214[21:15:53] <LunchBot> You wonder what
that weird clanking noise is in your engine. You knock over the
launch tower.
L215[21:16:03] <raptop> oops
L216[21:16:16] <raptop> (Also, hey, that
combination works!)
L217[21:22:03] <Mat2ch> !mission
L218[21:22:03] <LunchBot> You employ
Kountdown to advertise your mission. The Mun breaks orbit to go
fetch help.
L219[21:22:19] <raptop> The Mun doesn't
know about LunchBot
L220[21:22:22] <Mat2ch> How nice of the
Mun
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