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L24[07:55:59] <Deddly> !nextlunch
L25[07:56:00] <LunchBot> Mega Bacon.
L26[07:56:22] <Deddly> I mean... I know
that bacon is good. Mega bacon can be nothing but a success
L27[08:16:09] <Deddly> !mission
L28[08:16:10] <LunchBot> You attempt to
insert a nuclear ramjet probe into Jool's atmosphere. You land with
so much force the Mun disintegrates.
L29[08:16:39] <Deddly> Now that's a LOT of
force. I should probably not have eaten so much bacon before
planning that mission.
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L32[09:01:57] <Mat2ch> Today I learnt that
there are 16 DTMF tones and not just 12
L33[09:02:26] <Mat2ch> and that DTMF tones
are used over amateur radio
L34[09:36:30] <Deddly> Cool. What do they
use them for?
L35[09:37:26] <Mat2ch> remote controlling
stuff
L36[09:38:08] <Mat2ch> I guess it's rather
easy to build some analog circuit to recognize a dtmf tone and then
switch something
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L38[09:50:47] <Deddly> I guess in the near
future people will take the easy way out and install an AI they can
communicate with in plain language.
L39[10:09:16] <Mat2ch> and have another AI
to translate the machine bits to words?
L40[10:10:17] <Mat2ch> One thing I've
learnt over my years experimenting with voice control is: I can
press buttons much faster than talking. And it's much more
reliable.
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L42[10:19:52] <Deddly> Very true
L43[10:20:31] <Deddly> Voice control is can
be very useful in certain situations, but unless it's close to 100%
reliable, it's just really annoying.
L44[10:21:12] <Mat2ch> I always look to
StarTrek TNG when it comes to voice controls. They did a fairly
good job with it.
L45[10:21:27] <Mat2ch> They mix it between
buttons and voice control.
L46[10:21:44] <Deddly> Yeah and I remember
laughing at how unrealistic that was. "Will never be that
accurate"
L47[10:22:26] <Mat2ch> Was already that
accurate around 2000 with IBMs natural voice. But they asked such a
high price for it, nobody outside of a professional business wanted
to use it.
L48[10:22:26] <Pinkbeast> Although IDK why
the interface has to make a _noise_ for everything
L49[10:22:41] <sandbox> I refuse to use
voice for any device
L50[10:22:43] <Mat2ch> For the viewers to
"see" that something is happening.
L51[10:22:46] <Deddly> And how they could
program the holodeck by telling it "put a table in the middle
of the room". We're already close to that with AI-generated
art
L52[10:23:44] <Mat2ch> yes and no. In
StarTrek the computer had an understanding of what a table is. So
the table wasn't some dreamed up thing, but a sound table, with
square edges, four legs, etc.
L53[10:23:47] <Pinkbeast> And like
"AI" now it often backfires horribly
L54[10:23:51] <Deddly> I laughed at how the
computer was able to parse Scotty's "Shut this bloody thing
off". But GPT has no problem with that
L55[10:24:29] <Mat2ch> The problem with
modern AI is: It doesn't understand a thing. It just gives you the
most likely thing it learnt.
L56[10:24:49] <Deddly> AI is already
backfiring, Pinkbeast. It is used extensively to spam online
discussions and shape opinions.
L57[10:25:00] <Pinkbeast> Also Star Trek's
computer can reliably distinguish "Eject the warp core!"
from "well, I suppose if that did happen we could eject the
warp core"
L58[10:25:09] <Pinkbeast> Deddly: er yeah,
that's what I said :-)
L59[10:25:42] <Deddly> Pinkbeast, so you
did. I think AI would have parsed that better than I...
L60[10:25:54] <Pinkbeast> The holodeck
hasn't killed so many people, either
L61[10:26:08] <Deddly> Has AI killed
people?
L62[10:26:40] <Mat2ch> Red shirt in the
holodeck: "Haha, think about how dangerous this would be if we
said: Disable the safeties"
L63[10:26:51] <Mat2ch> ChatGPT:
"Safties are now disabled."
L64[10:26:56] <Pinkbeast> Yes. Consider,
for example, completely confident answers to mushroom
identification from a machine that knows nothing
L65[10:27:45] <Deddly> Ah, mushroom
pickers.
L66[10:28:06] <Pinkbeast> Or, say,
electrical safety, fire safety...
L67[10:28:27] <Deddly> Fun fact, I actually
identified an edible mushroom with the help of Google Lens. But of
course I researched it thoroughly before eating it.
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L69[10:29:10] <Pinkbeast> And (if you don't
do the second bit) it's only got to get it wrong once
L70[10:29:10] <Deddly> Mat2ch, I think
ChatGPT would actually get that one right. It's uncannily good at
recognising intended meaning.
L71[10:30:25] <Deddly> Just like any other
powerful tool, AI can be dangerous if used carelessly
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L73[10:30:59] <Pinkbeast> Well, except most
powerful tools have an intended purpose that isn't making things
worse
L74[10:31:19] <Deddly> I do confess I
laughed at The Musk when we was warning people about the danger of
AI a few years ago. What it is capable of doing was inconceivable
to be back then.
L75[10:31:29] <Pinkbeast> "AI" is
a bit like a chain of handgun-and-tequila shops
L76[10:31:30] <Deddly> we was = he
was
L77[10:31:45] <Pinkbeast> I'm still
laughing at him because he's going on about AGI which is no closer
than before
L78[10:32:01] <Pinkbeast> The only
similarity is the name
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L80[10:32:29] <Deddly> He wasn't talking
about AGI in the tweets I'm thinking of.
L81[10:32:50] <Pinkbeast> To me a decent
chunk of the damage done by "AI" is making the AGI
paranoia seem more credible, up to and including making the
"EA" scam more effective
L82[10:33:19] <Deddly> What is
"EA" in this context?
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L84[10:33:33] <Pinkbeast> "Effective
altruism"
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L86[10:34:35] <Pinkbeast> The idea that you
should give money to the _best_ charitable causes (so far so good);
that AGI is the biggest threast to humanity by a huge margin (hm);
and so you should give all your money to whoever is doing the most
to fight it, which _by a happy coincidence_ is the person
explaining all this to you
L87[10:35:06] <Deddly> Ah
L88[10:35:20] <Pinkbeast> Happy for them,
that is. :-)
L89[10:35:29] <Deddly> Take my credit
card
L90[10:36:20] <Pinkbeast> EA kind of
exploded because it turned out they were intimately intertwined
with FTX but now it's coming back, like kudzu
L91[10:37:26] <Pinkbeast> (I'm not sure one
can infer much about what Musk thinks from his tweets because he is
one of those liars untroubled by consistency, but fair
enough)
L92[10:38:40] <Deddly> I mean, people were
joking about Skynet etc. and he responded with what the real threat
was, which is what we are already seeing today.
L93[10:39:48] <Deddly> That's what he said.
As to what he was actually THINKING, well...
L94[10:44:15] <Deddly> Thinking about Star
Trek, I think it's interesting how in some episodes they make a big
point about how humans are needed and that AI can't do what humans
do, and then we all cheer on when Data does something
superhuman.
L95[10:45:41] <Pinkbeast> ST also not
always troubled by consistency :-)
L96[10:49:42] <Deddly> ST?
L97[10:49:51] <Deddly> Oh wait
L98[10:49:55] <Deddly> GOt it
L99[10:50:37] <Deddly> Acronym cognition
failure
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L101[11:06:42] <KrazyKrl> ;outcome add
Critical initialism failure. Aborting.
L102[11:06:42] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
Critical initialism failure. Aborting.
L103[11:09:41] <KrazyKrl> ;mission add You
unironically watch "Battlefield Earth."
L104[11:09:42] <LunchBot> Added mission:
You unironically watch "Battlefield Earth."
L105[11:32:48] <Deddly> ;outcome add
ChatGPT convinces you that everything is fine and engages you in a
conversation about stylish industrial lighting.
L106[11:32:48] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
ChatGPT convinces you that everything is fine and engages you in a
conversation about stylish industrial lighting.
L107[11:37:00] <darsie> 1337
L108[11:45:32] <Mat2ch> Deddly: Musk
warned about the dangerous of an AGI. Which I'm still find not
possible
L109[11:47:23] <Mat2ch> uh, what was the
movie called where a gunship gets attacked by aliens?
L110[12:06:09] <Pinkbeast>
Battleship?
L111[12:07:35] <Pinkbeast> (I also think
there's a common bogus position that "AI" is going to
revolutionise the world rather than just make it a bit worse, like
cryptocurrency)
L112[12:08:15] <Mat2ch> I think that's it.
Always wanted to view that one, but with popcorn. Sweet popcorn.
:P
L113[12:09:16] <Mat2ch> The real problem
with AI right now is that there are huge investors with too much
money not knowing what to do with it anymore (they already caused
the housing crisis by buying up every square meter they could find)
and now have to throw their money at the next big thing
L114[12:09:45] <Mat2ch> crypto was so big,
because there was too much money to throw around and with AI this
is happening again.
L115[12:10:47] <Mat2ch> And sadly most of
it makes it look bad and we don't see the good things neural nets
can do, like finding cancer spots in CT images far faster and more
reliable than humans
L116[12:11:17] <Mat2ch> or folding
proteins to create new drugs or better understanding of how
proteins work
L117[12:13:23] <darsie> Or understanding
the DNA code and creating better humans. Or reverse engineering
machine code, finding (exploitable) bugs.
L118[12:20:38] <Eddi|zuHause>
!mission
L119[12:20:38] <LunchBot> You try to play
Buzz Aldrin's Space Program. You gain negative Kardashev
progress!
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L121[12:35:14] <Mat2ch> yeah, but what
everyone is talking about are assistance most of us don't need, so
they can gather even more personal information, which they then
sell.
L122[12:37:03] <darsie> log(0.1)=-1. The
Kardashev scale might well be logarithmic.
L123[12:49:48] <Eddi|zuHause> my short
wikipedia investigation mentioned that it can be extrapolated
logarithmically
L124[12:53:11] <Eddi|zuHause> the thing
is, a hypothetical type-2 civilisation could be undetectable by
visual telescopes
L125[13:11:30] <darsie> The system would
ideally just emit IR.
L126[13:11:46] <darsie> BUtwe have the
Webb.
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L128[13:48:23] <Eddi|zuHause> i made a
mistake... i visited the cities skylines workshop, and now i need
triple the memory i have...
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L134[15:50:15] <FLHerne> .mission add You
spend two years developing a mod to turn KSP into a science-based,
100% dragon MMO.
L135[15:50:15] <LunchBot> Added mission:
You spend two years developing a mod to turn KSP into a
science-based, 100% dragon MMO.
L136[16:04:37] <Eddi|zuHause> that's not a
very long time, considering
L137[16:04:46] <Eddi|zuHause>
!mission
L138[16:04:46] <LunchBot> You add some
communism. The outcome is chilling, like a piano made out of frozen
Windex.
L139[16:05:56] <Eddi|zuHause> "what
happens when you introduce communism to KSP? nothing for a long
time, and then you run out of explosions"
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L148[17:48:27] <FLHerne> .outcome add The
resulting craft is compact as bread, yet strong as
unstoppable!
L149[17:48:27] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
The resulting craft is compact as bread, yet strong as
unstoppable!
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L152[18:05:28] <Eddi|zuHause> !outcome add
Whatever your intentions were, they have now been twisted beyond
recognition.
L153[18:05:28] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
Whatever your intentions were, they have now been twisted beyond
recognition.
L154[18:26:37] <sandbox> !mission
L155[18:26:38] <LunchBot> You research
quantum flubber sneakers. Reflected engine heat melts a hole in
your fuel tank. A third of your fuel gets overexited and migrates
to the nearest planet to mate.
L156[18:27:09] <sandbox> hmm
L157[18:41:47] <XXCoder> you broke reality
with flubber
L158[18:42:11] <XXCoder> ;mission
L159[18:42:11] <LunchBot> You must develop
a reusable transport and lander for the local Kerbin system. Your
spaceplane breaks the runway.
L160[18:42:21] <XXCoder> too heavy
then
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L162[19:07:39] <Eddi|zuHause> i hate when
that happens
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L168[20:32:55] <Eddi|zuHause>
!mission
L169[20:32:55] <LunchBot> Your rocket
development is plagued by side-fumbling of the waneshaft. Best
practice is to suppress this with hydrocoptic marzlevanes, but you
don't know what they are. StackDoubleFlow develops a mod which
speeds up the game roughly 10-20,000x. That brings the framerate to
a much more reasonable 0.1fps, so the launch timelapse only takes 9
hours to record.
L170[20:33:49] <Eddi|zuHause> but did they
implement the marzlevanes
L171[20:38:24] <raptop> They gave up on
turboencabulators entirely
L172[20:39:01] <XXCoder> all kinds of
stuff I dont know about lol
L173[20:40:52] <raptop> Anyway, you should
look up some turboencabulator videos. They're classics like how the
missile knows where it is
L174[20:44:34] <Eddi|zuHause> the missile
thing reminds me of a really old comedy where they made square
wheels, so they can't roll backwards
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L176[20:47:29] <raptop> Anyway, the
turboencabulator spiel is just a bunch of technobabble, and
probably one of the earliest examples of it
L178[21:32:48] <Eddi|zuHause> what was hat
device called in "dude, where's my car?"
L179[21:32:55] <Eddi|zuHause> *that
L180[21:38:02] <raptop> Haven't seen that
movie
L181[21:38:27] <Eddi|zuHause> just looked
it up, it was "continuum transfunctioner"
L182[21:48:36] <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes i
wish i knew enough about linux internals to teach the swap about
keeping certain processes in memory and forcing others to swap
more
L183[21:49:46] <Eddi|zuHause> probably an
utopian thought, as it's not even trivial to find out which process
uses how much memory
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