L10[03:55:28] <XXCoder> https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-drive-that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat-earths-gravity/

L11[03:55:30] <XXCoder> hmmm

L12[03:56:12] <XXCoder> its not emdrive

L22[06:03:37] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission

L23[06:03:37] <LunchBot> You assign Jeb to Collins Duty. The outcome isn't null terminated???Д??????Д??Жжд

L24[06:05:10] <XXCoder> oh well

L25[06:05:15] <XXCoder> ;mission

L26[06:05:15] <LunchBot> Your payload grossly exceeds the design mass of your vehicle. At least the more distant seismic sensors will get a lot of data from that.

L27[06:05:43] <XXCoder> so it fell apart on stand and triggered quake sensors. must be very heavy

L31[07:35:53] <FLHerne> the Science Jr doors just clip through things anyway, don't they?

L35[09:23:40] <FLHerne> .outcome add WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS. NO EXPLOSIONS AFTER 9PM.

L36[09:23:40] <LunchBot> Added outcome: WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS. NO EXPLOSIONS AFTER 9PM.

L37[09:40:05] <sandbox> !mission

L38[09:40:05] <LunchBot> You add some communism. You earn an achievement.

L39[09:40:16] <sandbox> yikes

L40[09:41:31] <Mat2ch> XXCoder: no, it's the Quantum drive. And if it works in space it could mean that Mike McCulloch is right, even though he is a nutjob

L41[09:42:25] <Mat2ch> and then all the dark matter research can be halted. Which will make many people very unhappy.

L44[10:58:43] <Pinkbeast> Personally I'd be delighted if dark matter turned out not to exist, it's spooky and unreasonable, but I doubt it's going to happen as a result of yet another magic reactionless drive

L45[10:59:57] <Althego> the phenomenon called as dark matter does exist. what it is, if it is actual matter or something else, is not known yet

L46[11:01:34] <Pinkbeast> I think there's at least some "things happen differently if they're a long way away" setups (gravity not being quite inverse-square over very long distances) which make the need for dark matter vanish. (To be clear, I don't think it's _likely_ this'll turn out to be the case, it just would be nice if it did)

L47[11:03:38] <Pinkbeast> I found very amusing the Ken Macleod novel where our universe is simulated (this is very illegal, and the computer running it is discovered by space marines from the Library of Alexandria in the real universe) and because the people who set it up used a bodged physics model for the cosmology - why bother, we're just running cavemen - the people in the simulation have come up with "dark matter" to

L48[11:03:44] <Pinkbeast> explain the bugs

L49[11:03:52] <Althego> what i heard about this from sabine hossenfelder, neither hypothesis (particle or modified gravity) can explain everything

L50[11:16:07] <Mat2ch> there's another theory called Qi by McCulloch and nobody talks about it (because he's a nutjob)

L51[11:46:42] <packbart> my personal nut is that we live in a vapour bubble of Universal Goo and that the "dark matter" are the already condensed parts ;)

L54[12:33:50] <sandbox> !mission

L55[12:33:50] <LunchBot> Ah, Perry the Platypus, your ISP is impeccable...by which I mean COMPLETELY PECCABLE! You are pulled over by the Physics police.

L56[12:35:56] <FLHerne> too peccable

L57[12:37:28] <Pinkbeast> Althego: Mmm, and they do look like they're stretching just to make dark matter go away

L58[12:38:10] <Pinkbeast> (on the other hand the idea that half the universe is spooky invisible stuff that conveniently only has mass and doesn't do anything else is a bit of a stretch too)

L106[18:15:49] <XXCoder> Mat2ch: interesting. it would be funny if it only worked in gravity fields. which would be still useful but limiting.

L107[18:16:06] <XXCoder> yeah I felt it wasnt enough evidence since its just that site that report

L128[23:29:05] <Eddi|zuHause> what exactly is "peccable" anyway?

L129[23:29:42] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission

L130[23:29:42] <LunchBot> You launch a rocket with 20 unsuspecting kerbals to sacrifice to the Kraken. Maybe you're a gifted visionary - but from ten thousand miles away it's hard to tell the difference between that and an obsessive lunatic.

L131[23:40:52] <XXCoder> tried to find more reliable sources for that drive thing. yeah random sites so I still highly doubt it

L132[23:41:08] <XXCoder> I still hope its a thing however, like I did for emdrive as unlikely it was

L133[23:50:09] <Pinkbeast> I mean, I hope there's three unicorns in my garden, but I doubt it

L134[23:50:29] <XXCoder> lol

L135[23:50:41] <Pinkbeast> And if there was a long history of charlatans going into my garden with horses, horns, and duct tape, I would be especially dubious

L136[23:50:57] <XXCoder> indeed

L137[23:51:52] <XXCoder> if someone wanted to invest in company with that drive id say nope

L138[23:52:05] <XXCoder> hoping dont mean willful blindness

L139[23:52:55] <Pinkbeast> TBH now they have a worse claim. The "em drive"'s micronewton thrusts could be hard to pick up, but outright antigravity? They don't need to go into space to demo it, a cart on an icerink would do

L140[23:53:22] <XXCoder> not quite antigravity. enough to counter it plus very small amount over

L141[23:53:29] <Pinkbeast> Indeed not, I am not wilfully blind to the probability that unicorns are in my garden

L142[23:54:10] <Pinkbeast> That literally is antigravity, it can hover there by itself

L143[23:54:13] <XXCoder> so yeah assuming infinite power but same size and power, it might be able to hover

L144[23:54:54] <XXCoder> it should be easily demoable in vacuum container so it'd be easy to prove

L145[23:55:09] <XXCoder> thats why I highly doubt it. they dont even have any real pictures of it