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L7[01:54:18] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission
L8[01:54:18] <LunchBot> You attempt to be clever with Oxford commas. You give up.
L9[01:54:54] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't really understand the nuances of oxford commas. i'm too used to german commas
L10[01:55:17] <Eddi|zuHause> german comma rules are... special
L11[01:59:23] <Eddi|zuHause> german has nested sentences that might be a bigger art form than massive compound words
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L26[04:43:41] <XXCoder> sad. vpyager 1 may be dead soon
L27[04:43:47] <XXCoder> still gibberish for months
L28[04:44:15] <Eddi|zuHause> has it left the solar system yet?
L29[04:44:33] <XXCoder> they left quite a while ago
L30[04:44:59] <XXCoder> since 2012
L31[04:45:00] <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but how often?
L32[04:45:31] <Eddi|zuHause> have they run out of definitions of "solar system" yet?
L33[04:45:33] <XXCoder> for few years it was at border that waves in and out, so it "left" few times, but havent happened since 2012
L34[04:46:13] <XXCoder> voyager 2 it was 2018
L35[04:46:50] <Althego> still inside the oort cloud, so it is still in the solar system
L36[04:47:26] <XXCoder> heliosphere is defined to be border last I looked
L37[04:47:44] <Althego> in some sense
L38[04:47:56] <Althego> but there are objects orbitingthe sun outside of where voyager is
L39[04:48:03] <Althego> so those are part of the solar system
L40[04:48:39] <XXCoder> yeah. its huge though
L41[04:48:40] <Eddi|zuHause> i thought voyager 2 was the faster one?
L42[04:48:52] <Althego> i think it is 1
L43[04:48:53] <XXCoder> I suspect its why its helisphere thats used as border
L44[04:49:07] <Althego> but 2 launched first
L45[04:49:11] <XXCoder> its actually measuable
L46[04:49:54] <Eddi|zuHause> then i probably mixed up the numbering
L47[04:52:15] <raptop> The definitions have been set by heliophysicists for some reason
L48[04:52:58] <XXCoder> probably set by the big helispheres
L49[04:55:39] <XXCoder> ;outcome add You get gibberish as data from your craft. To see what it sounds like, you play it to audio. That was a big mistake as it summons demons.
L50[04:55:39] <LunchBot> Added outcome: You get gibberish as data from your craft. To see what it sounds like, you play it to audio. That was a big mistake as it summons demons.
L51[04:57:25] <Eddi|zuHause> we will probably at some point build a spacecraft that can catch up to voyager 1/2
L52[04:57:56] <Althego> somewhat of a necessity. it might not be a good idea to send out our location
L53[04:58:35] <Althego> not that it travels fast, so we literally have thousands of years to get it back
L54[04:58:54] <Althego> and it is not even sure we will have acivilization in thousands of years
L55[05:11:06] <raptop> !outcome add Great Leader has died. Solo Nobre must fall. Here is your [new] contract.
L56[05:11:06] <LunchBot> Added outcome: Great Leader has died. Solo Nobre must fall. Here is your [new] contract.
L57[05:12:21] <raptop> None of the 5 craft leaving the solar system are really aimed at any star
L58[05:13:23] <raptop> If humans become an actual interstellar civilization, there's a decent shot that we'll outrun those craft and establish permanant populations on nearby stars thousands of years before they *could* arrive
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L66[07:56:35] <packbart> D'oh. I didn't remember that I only had a 0.625 stack separator when I build that thing and attached solar panels and antennas
L67[07:56:42] <packbart> https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/kspsp2.jpg
L68[07:57:20] <packbart> so much for the plan to send the science capsule on a return flight and keep the probe above the Mun to finish the experiments and play relay
L69[07:57:39] <packbart> I could edit the save and make it a decoupler...
L70[07:58:35] <Althego> i never use stack separators. the only thing they accomplish compared to a decoupler is that they make spae debris
L71[07:58:38] <Althego> what is the point?
L72[08:01:39] <packbart> neither do I. but I think I remember that the separator came first in (this) tech tree
L73[08:01:53] <Althego> also you dont need a probe core to land the capsule
L74[08:02:06] <Althego> you can set the opening altitude of the chute
L75[08:02:16] <Althego> trigger it on separation
L76[08:02:22] <packbart> I do. the upper part is parachute, science capsule, heatsink
L77[08:02:35] <Althego> and it is going to open automatically without a probwe core
L78[08:02:48] <Althego> it is light and als o temperature tolerant
L79[08:02:52] <Althego> will survive anyway
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L81[08:03:22] <Althego> at least it was so in ksp1
L82[08:03:41] <packbart> I was going to make a burn to set the capsule on a return orbit, then turn around and re-capture around Mun to keep the probe in orbit
L83[08:04:26] <packbart> but due to miscommunication in the design, the solar panels and antennas also fall off when I detach the capsule m)
L84[08:04:54] <Althego> ah lol
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L96[12:21:24] <Deddly> I have to say, one of the most annoying trends in UI design in recent times (at least with regards to Windows) is how some applications stay running even when you click the X button. THERE IS A MINIMISE BUTTON GUYS.
L97[12:30:12] <Deddly> I mean, if I want the program minimised, I'll minimise it, right?
L98[12:38:10] <dnsmcbr> Deddly: a pox on those developers
L99[12:38:31] <dnsmcbr> Deddly: tbh a "quit-to-background/tray" icon might have value
L100[12:39:34] <sandbox> !nextlunch
L101[12:39:34] <LunchBot> A carrier bag of Bombay Mix.
L102[12:39:53] <sandbox> I haven't had those in years
L103[12:40:05] <sandbox> I wouldn't say no
L104[12:40:28] <dnsmcbr> you can get that at sainsbos now
L105[12:40:30] <Azander> Deddly: that's a Mac thing. Been in their design for over a decade.
L106[12:40:48] <dnsmcbr> praise the multicultural aisle (at least in the ldn sainsbos I used to inhabit)
L107[12:40:52] <sandbox> used to have them all the time
L108[12:41:08] <Azander> Microsoft hasn't had a 'new' design since about windows XP
L109[12:41:13] <dnsmcbr> Azander: ?
L110[12:41:26] <dnsmcbr> I mean you're just rong
L111[12:41:32] <Azander> quit to background
L112[12:41:48] <dnsmcbr> You mean specific in scope to "X" button then?
L113[12:41:54] <Azander> yep
L114[12:41:57] <Deddly> Azander, Huh. Well, my experience with Macs is limited to Shapeshifter funning on an Amiga A1200
L115[12:42:11] <dnsmcbr> cos I tried to use XP the other month and my god its so clunky and a pain
L116[12:42:12] <Azander> hehehe
L117[12:42:30] <Deddly> funning/running
L118[12:42:53] <dnsmcbr> The gradual change of windows OSes sure do sneak up on you
L119[12:43:19] <Deddly> I don't actually see the reason for this at all. There's minimise, maximise and close. Why would I want close to also have the exact same function as minimise?
L120[12:43:21] <Azander> I support a local newspaper that is almost all macs, including a system9 running a system8 emulator they also have several windows XP sp2 systems. All on print hardware that is even older.
L121[12:44:01] <dnsmcbr> Deddly: the case where you want the window to close, but the bg app to keep running, i.e. chat/messenger apps
L122[12:44:20] <Azander> Deddly: i don't either. it is even worse on MAcs because each program is fully self contained. no shared libraries
L123[12:44:24] <Deddly> All these institutions running antiquated software and they're surprised when they get viruses
L124[12:44:50] <Deddly> dnsmcbr, but then I'll press the minimise button, right?
L125[12:44:56] <Azander> heh. Wh said anything about those being on the network to even have a virus attempt to get onto it.
L126[12:45:10] <dnsmcbr> Deddly: nah cos then it'll linger on the taskbar
L127[12:45:21] <dnsmcbr> where you want it in the tray
L128[12:45:25] <Deddly> Azander, Oh well in that case, fair enough
L129[12:46:27] <Azander> the oldest system on the network is a osx 10.11.6, used as a timeclock only.
L130[12:46:31] <Deddly> dnsmcbr, ah I see what you mean. Well, a minimise to tray button might be useful, then. In the case of Zoom, clicking X actually minimises it to the taskbar
L131[12:46:42] <dnsmcbr> Yeah that's what I mean
L132[12:46:44] <dnsmcbr> oh
L133[12:46:56] <dnsmcbr> yeah no you're right that's wrong and dum
L134[12:47:39] <dnsmcbr> ah, the days when that behaviour was abnormal: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3398XMG8/image.png
L135[12:47:58] <Azander> yep, I agree. minimise hs a button, use it. if I want it to contiue to run I'll use that. if I close it I want to out of memory completely.
L136[12:48:20] <Deddly> Azander, I actually kinda respect that approach. Why upgrade unnecessarily? I remember seeing an old Amiga A500 powering a display at a museum (OK it was 20 years ago, but it was still old back then) and...well... why not, if it works?
L137[12:48:45] <dnsmcbr> define unnecessarily
L138[12:48:56] <Azander> the press itself is from late 1968, early 1969
L139[12:48:58] <dnsmcbr> upgrading can give obsolescence gains
L140[12:49:57] <dnsmcbr> i.e. if a component fails you can replace it COTS essentially same-day
L141[12:50:15] <Azander> depends on the hardware/software
L142[12:50:59] <dnsmcbr> nah, all hardware/software does it
L143[12:51:06] *** Deddly changes topic to 'Kerbal Space Program official channel | KSP2 current version: 0.2.1.0 | Rules: http://tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | If Esper collapses, plan B is ##KSPOfficial on Libera.chat (note the double hashtag)'
L144[12:51:14] <Azander> Apple had recently made it very hard for us to consider upgrades in their brand.
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L149[14:06:44] <FLHerne> .outcome add Triple hazard pay! The best three words in the Kerbal language.
L150[14:06:44] <LunchBot> Added outcome: Triple hazard pay! The best three words in the Kerbal language.
L151[14:11:00] <Deddly> !nextlunch
L152[14:11:00] <LunchBot> Fried egg and chips.
L153[14:11:12] <Deddly> I hope that's the UK chips, because I'm all over that
L154[14:12:04] <FLHerne> definitely
L155[14:13:26] <sandbox> I had that fairly recently only because that's what the nephews were having
L156[14:18:44] <dnsmcbr> You can oven bake the egg on top of chips too for it to be a lot healthier
L157[14:19:50] <dnsmcbr> Assuming you’re using proper overn chips that aren’t completely doused in oil, or you make them yourself and add a touch of non-shit oil like some extra virgin olive oil
L158[14:34:44] <Deddly> Please mind the language :)
L159[14:36:31] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission
L160[14:36:31] <LunchBot> You discover a kesslertron and deorbit it. Your space agency is shut down, which leaves you feeling a lack of agency in life.
L161[14:37:14] <Deddly> dnsmcbr, But that's actually something I've wondered about. Potatoes are not generally viewed as unhealthy. A lot of oils are considered very good for the health, such as rapeseed oil sunflower oil etc. So why does it become unhealthy when combining the two?
L162[14:38:15] <Eddi|zuHause> two things are unhealthy: a) too much of something, and b) fried somethings (because of byproducts)
L163[14:38:40] <packbart> yolo :)
L164[14:40:19] <Eddi|zuHause> a1) too little variation
L165[14:41:21] <Deddly> I think b) depends on the type of oil and the temperature
L166[14:49:18] <Eddi|zuHause> there's also a "fight" between the proponents of carbohydrates and fats, where one camp will denounce the other as the root of all evils.
L167[14:49:41] <Eddi|zuHause> so fried potatos are the perfect target for both of those
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L171[15:18:06] <Deddly> Fried potatoes are just perfect for everything
L172[15:18:54] <Eddi|zuHause> food "science" is very unscientific at times...
L173[15:20:56] <Deddly> Like the low-fat food craze. I mean, I get it, we shouldn't eat too much fat (too much of ANYTHING - your point a). But eating fat doesn't automatically make you fat, just like eating broccoli doesn't turn you into a delightfully-shaped vegetable.
L174[15:22:24] <Eddi|zuHause> i've seen studies where replacing carbohydrates with the same amount of fats made the people healthier
L175[15:22:32] <Deddly> The fat in oil doesn't go from the dinner plate and settle around a person's midriff. It gets broken down by enzymes in the stomach, just like everything else does.
L176[15:23:44] <Deddly> Right. Some carbohydrates are much more problematic. Especially highly-processed stuff like white bread and white sugar.
L177[15:23:48] <Deddly> Now I'm hungry
L178[15:23:51] <Deddly> !nextlunch
L179[15:23:51] <LunchBot> Porridge with cranberries, cashew nuts and raisins.
L180[15:24:01] <Deddly> That sounds too healthy for me
L181[15:24:41] <Eddi|zuHause> also, this isn't a recent phenomenon. think the spinache craze (which turned out to be based on a measurement error), or the cholesterol craze around eggs (which turned out to have the same amount of anti-cholesterol parts)
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L185[17:00:39] <Deddly> ...and the hysteria about how unhealthy coconuts are, followed by evidence that coconuts are actually great for you.
L186[17:25:37] <Mat2ch> But they are full of saturated fat
L187[17:27:35] <Mat2ch> (full of lauric acid, but studies are inconclusive if that is bad or not. Did something change here?)
L188[17:28:04] <Althego> same thing with margarine. sometiems it is healthy sometimes it is unhealthy. meanwhile i dont care because i dont like it
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L191[17:32:43] <Mat2ch> Someone somewhere laughs in deep-fried butterstick.
L192[17:43:38] <Deddly> Mat2ch, coconuts have a certain kind of fat that turns out to be good for you, and can possibly also help in weight loss
L193[17:44:13] <Mat2ch> Lauric acid is my guess. Wikipedia doesn't list a new study (yet)
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L202[20:18:49] <Deddly> Oh. KSP2 is 20% off on Steam
L203[20:23:05] *** Deddly changes topic to 'Kerbal Space Program official channel | KSP2 current version: 0.2.1.0 | Rules: http://tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | If Esper collapses, plan B is ##KSPOfficial on Libera.chat (note the double hashtag) | KSP2 is 20% off on Steam'
L204[20:35:07] <sandbox> still way too much
L205[20:35:39] <packbart> *shrug* buy an Idris ;)
L206[20:42:57] <Mat2ch> people are still unhappy with the state of the game.
L207[20:46:45] <Deddly> Well sure, it's not finished and it's not very fast. It's way better than it was at launch, though.
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L209[21:47:35] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission
L210[21:47:35] <LunchBot> You are inspired by H. R. Giger. Good fight, good night.
L211[21:47:57] <Eddi|zuHause> celebrity deathmatch, who was the opponent?
L212[21:48:53] <raptop> [REDACTED]
L213[21:54:13] <raptop> !mission
L214[21:54:14] <LunchBot> After fraught negotiations, you agree terms with the little voice in the back of your head. You become distressed upon learning that Darth Kerman is your father.
L215[21:59:35] <Eddi|zuHause> the force plays tricks on you.
L216[22:02:22] <Deddly> !nextlunch
L217[22:02:22] <LunchBot> Fried mince with pasta.
L218[22:02:32] <XXCoder> ;mission
L219[22:02:32] <LunchBot> Due to a clerical error, your boosters are fueled with mRNA. It was inevitable, given the Mk3 adaptor mass ratios and prices.
L220[22:02:45] <XXCoder> lol
L221[22:03:02] <raptop> mRNA, IRFNA, close enough with a smudget sheet of paper
L222[22:03:15] <Eddi|zuHause> or a XEROX scanner
L223[22:03:43] <raptop> aaaa
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L225[22:39:12] <raptop> !outcome add Your equations may be simple and elegant, but the Kraken naturally falls out of them anyway.
L226[22:39:12] <LunchBot> Added outcome: Your equations may be simple and elegant, but the Kraken naturally falls out of them anyway.
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