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L4[01:25:22] <Eddi|zuHause> i open lots of tabs in private mode, those get lost on close
L5[01:38:27] <Eddi|zuHause> (in 99% of cases that's a good thing)
L6[01:40:54] <XXCoder> cant remember last time I opened private tab
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L8[02:12:29] <Eddi|zuHause> i got into that habit when browsing random youtube videos, because i didn't want to "spoil" the suggestions
L9[02:12:59] <Eddi|zuHause> i also set it to open links in chat in private mode
L10[02:21:27] <XXCoder> ugh yeah once a while I click a link and my suggestion is full of nutters
L11[02:21:39] <XXCoder> gun, vax or some antiscience nonsense
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L15[02:38:01] <Eddi|zuHause> that was long before that time
L16[02:54:09] <XXCoder> im talking about youtube links
L17[02:54:24] <XXCoder> and youtube suggestions
L18[02:54:42] <XXCoder> so im not sure what you meant by "long before that time"
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L34[10:25:44] <Eddi|zuHause> the time where those categories of videos were common
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L39[11:49:03] <sandbox> phewph
L40[11:57:29] <Deddly> !nextlunch
L41[11:57:29] <LunchBot> Victoria sponge cake.
L42[11:57:35] <Deddly> Tasty
L43[12:33:43] <sandbox> espernet has issues
L44[12:39:02] <Eddi|zuHause> we discussed that already
L45[12:49:39] <FLHerne> is there an agreed successor channel?
L46[12:51:50] <Mat2ch> raptop has reserved ##KSPOfficial on libera.
L47[12:52:22] <Mat2ch> And the understanding was that we're only moving if esper stops working.
L48[12:54:08] <sandbox> there is a ##kerbalspaceprogram on libera
L49[12:55:13] <darsie> Are there any benefits to an *official* KSP channel?
L50[12:55:30] <Mat2ch> 04:20:47* @raptop | Depends on what you want. I parked a ##KSPOfficial, it's unclear if that'll be a thing or not │@Althego
L51[12:55:47] <Mat2ch> woops, copied too much. Sorry Althego
L52[12:57:04] <darsie> Are you pinging him to apologize for accidently pinging him?
L53[12:57:33] <Althego> lol
L54[12:58:06] <darsie> 1357
L55[12:58:17] <darsie> kinda
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L57[13:09:20] <Mat2ch> darsie: exactly that. :D
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L59[14:36:37] <Eddi|zuHause> just double down on it.
L60[14:36:40] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission
L61[14:36:41] <LunchBot> You invent self-heating tea that never gets cold - well, technically it does, but the half-life is a few thousand years which should be good enough. Death is a primitive concept. You prefer to think the crew is battling evil in another dimension.
L62[14:37:16] <Althego> the radioactive self heating tea killed them
L63[14:37:18] <Eddi|zuHause> the self-heating tea killed everyone?
L64[14:38:02] <Eddi|zuHause> or it infused them with dimensional travel power (one-way).
L65[14:48:23] <sandbox> !mission
L66[14:48:23] <LunchBot> The latest memo is incomprehensible. You can't figure out what the sender was thinking, and what appear to be instructions are almost gibberish, but you're bored enough to attempt taking them literally. Your insane purity of vision deserves to be rewarded.
L67[14:53:19] <Deddly> How did we find out about the Esper issues? Was there a server-wide message that went out at some point or something?
L68[14:53:34] <Althego> what exactly are these issues?
L69[14:53:38] <jan> Yeah https://i.imgur.com/3LAVPnl.png
L70[14:53:48] <jan> there's an FAQ here: https://gist.github.com/mrflea/5bc585d2b49182be0f9006d20f364471
L71[14:54:13] <sandbox> I couldn't connect all of yesterday
L72[14:54:25] <Althego> oops. the dns issue is deadly
L73[14:54:31] <Deddly> Yikes
L74[14:54:55] <Althego> you could ignore the expired cert or just use unsecure connection
L75[14:55:25] <Deddly> Well... there's always Discord... but it really feels like a completely different community
L76[14:55:32] <Althego> it is
L77[14:59:08] <Deddly> Does Libera have chanserv and nickserv?
L78[14:59:14] <jan> yeah
L79[14:59:14] <Althego> yes
L80[14:59:32] <Althego> so bascally we could just hop over there
L81[14:59:46] <Althego> this channels hasnt seen lot of traffic anyway
L82[15:00:04] <Althego> it would be simpler for me, since i could drop the espernet network
L83[15:02:23] <Deddly> Do they allow bots?
L84[15:02:48] <Althego> yes
L85[15:04:36] <Deddly> I always liked Arcnet myself, but that was years ago
L86[15:06:16] <Deddly> By the statement here, it looks like there's a chance Esper will survive https://gist.github.com/mrflea/5bc585d2b49182be0f9006d20f364471
L87[15:07:20] <SporkWitch> Deddly: yes, a global went out a couple days ago. I only caught it because I have a bouncer, so I'm technically always connected.
L88[15:08:25] <Deddly> :(
L89[15:11:23] <SporkWitch> Ironically, this is sounding similar to an issue a friend's company ran into a decade ago lol. Was the beginning of their big annual industry conference and their site was down. She reached out and I spun up a placeholder site for them in a few minutes, but it took another 6 hours for them to get to someone that could update the DNS records to point at the placeholder.
L90[15:13:10] <SporkWitch> in any case, we should seriously consider potential networks to move to. Yeah, this channel isn't super busy, but we've still got regulars, and IRC > discord.
L91[15:15:17] <Deddly> We have the channel registered on Libera as a plan B
L92[15:18:25] <SporkWitch> librairc.net? or a different one?
L93[15:18:34] <Deddly> libera.chat
L94[15:18:36] <Althego> libera.chat
L95[15:20:09] *** Deddly changes topic to 'Kerbal Space Program official channel | KSP2 current version: 0.2.1.0 | Rules: http://tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | If Esper collapses, plan B is #KSPOfficial on Libera.chat'
L96[15:20:36] <Althego> but if there is already a channel there, why have two?
L97[15:21:33] <Deddly> Althego, raptop registered it just in case. We won't be running two channels, but we have to have it registered so it's ready just in case
L98[15:22:02] <Deddly> Or do you mean, why not migrate there now?
L99[15:22:18] <Althego> [13:54:07] <sandbox> there is a ##kerbalspaceprogram on libera
L100[15:22:18] <Althego> [13:55:12] <darsie> Are there any benefits to an *official* KSP channel?
L101[15:22:29] <Althego> i meant the other over there
L102[15:23:26] <Deddly> Ah. Well, the benefit of having it official is we get a link on the website and we inherit the community rules
L103[15:23:46] <Althego> so net negative
L104[15:24:52] <Deddly> Depends on your view. I personally like the rules, but I'm not everyone. And having a link on the forum means we're connected to the rest of the community.
L105[15:25:18] <Althego> but not actually
L106[15:25:33] <Althego> so we get rigidly enforced rules for the nobody who appears here
L107[15:25:45] <Althego> i mean does not appear here obviosuly
L108[15:26:15] <Deddly> I really like the no-swearing and "be nice" rules that aren't enforced in other communities.
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L110[15:29:41] <Deddly> But I do get it that I'm in the minority.
L111[15:30:10] <Deddly> Hey it's DibzNr!
L112[15:30:19] <sandbox> I never/rarely swear anyway
L113[15:30:55] <DibzNr> Woa, technology
L114[15:31:03] <Althego> you know some rules are needed. maybe less rigid
L115[15:33:52] <Deddly> Kianda already is
L116[15:34:04] <Deddly> Kinda*
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L118[15:40:30] <SporkWitch> can't seem to connect to that network...
L119[15:40:42] <SporkWitch> nevermind, finally got through. weird
L120[15:53:09] <Deddly> I think ##kerbalspaceprogram over there is a dead channel
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L122[15:56:42] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission
L123[15:56:43] <LunchBot> You put the SRBs on backwards. Probe doesn't give you lemons! Probe gives you Data!
L124[15:57:48] <Althego> https://mahou.moe/board/pic/9aaf9a2aa71e29a42e170564ae70ec92.jpg
L125[15:58:02] <sandbox> I didn't see that other channel on libera yesterday
L126[15:58:31] <sandbox> might have been there, or maybe not
L127[15:59:40] <sandbox> I stopped using libera years ago, but ironically only went back a few days ago when someone else said they couldn't connect to it
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L131[16:17:02] <Mat2ch> sandbox: Libera only exists since 2021...
L132[16:17:56] <sandbox> exactly, 2021 was years ago
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L135[16:18:22] <Mat2ch> It sounds like a lot more though. :D
L136[16:19:57] <sandbox> dfhack was far more active back in the days of freenode
L137[16:20:22] <Mat2ch> well, freenode decided to shoot itself in the foot.
L138[16:22:39] <Eddi|zuHause> 2021 was basically yesterday
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L141[16:23:25] <Althego> 3 years man
L142[16:23:38] <Althego> remember there was still covid in 2021
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L145[16:24:23] <sandbox> a lifetime ago
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L147[16:27:57] <sandbox> I think we'd all like to forget that time
L148[16:29:12] <Mat2ch> Nah, we are just humans, we forget what we have eaten yesterday.
L149[16:29:23] <sandbox> pizza
L150[16:29:44] <Mat2ch> Nice. Left me some?
L151[16:29:57] <sandbox> nope
L152[16:30:29] <sandbox> I assume covid is still catching people
L153[16:30:30] <Mat2ch> Sad :)
L154[16:30:31] <Mat2ch> :(
L155[16:30:55] <Mat2ch> It is.
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L157[16:31:13] <sandbox> I can't remember if it was last year I had it or if it was two
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L160[16:36:00] <Mat2ch> sandbox: just make sure you don't get it too often. It seems to seriously hurt some peopls immune system :(
L161[16:36:57] <sandbox> meh, it wasn't so bad
L162[16:37:10] <sandbox> tiring sure
L163[16:38:34] <Mat2ch> and Diana aka Physics Girl still hasn't recovered from Long Covid. Maybe never will :(
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L186[17:39:59] <sandbox> !mission
L187[17:39:59] <LunchBot> You attempt to re-create the Orion mission and synchronise it with the real-world livestream. It's actually kinda fun if you ignore the inconvenience.
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L191[17:43:45] <Judge_DedD> !nextlunch
L192[17:43:46] <LunchBot> Boiled egg.
L193[17:43:51] <Judge_DedD> with...
L194[17:43:55] <Judge_DedD> !nextlunch
L195[17:43:56] <LunchBot> Pasta and brown sauce.
L196[17:44:01] <Judge_DedD> Interesting combo
L197[17:44:13] <Judge_DedD> And for afters?
L198[17:44:18] <Judge_DedD> !nextlunch
L199[17:44:18] <LunchBot> Hotdogs & frikandel buns.
L200[17:44:28] <Judge_DedD> Unconventional
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L202[17:55:07] <packbart> !nela
L203[17:55:08] <Kerbot> packbart => Falcon 9 - Crew-8 - Mar 04 (estimated) - https://rocketlaunch.live/launch/crew-8 for info/stream
L204[17:56:30] <Althego> suposedly 3:53 utc
L205[18:09:06] <Eddi|zuHause> dunno, intuitively i'd have thought pasta goes better with scrambled egg rather than boiled egg
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L207[18:22:32] <sandbox> I just had frikadellen
L208[18:23:23] <Althego> and what is that
L209[18:23:44] <Althego> meat balls
L210[18:26:08] <Eddi|zuHause> sort of
L211[18:26:14] <Eddi|zuHause> a bit bigger
L212[18:27:14] <Eddi|zuHause> think maybe an inflated hamburger
L213[18:27:52] <sandbox> tasty
L214[18:30:52] <Eddi|zuHause> usually made from pork, or mixed pork/beef
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L222[19:37:38] <XXCoder> ;mission
L223[19:37:38] <LunchBot> You demand the United Nations rename lava to drippy fire. The KAA grounds you forever.
L224[19:37:53] <XXCoder> drippy mcfire lava
L225[19:38:17] <XXCoder> too bad on ban though. time to start a band?
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L234[21:27:59] <FLHerne> I have no problem with the rules personally; it's not as if they're enforced strictly to the letter
L235[21:28:58] <FLHerne> my only problem with them is that a large chunk of LunchBot's corpus is from #SpaceXFun and a lot of that is probably against at least one rule :p
L236[21:29:16] <FLHerne> !stupid
L237[21:29:17] <LunchBot> At this time of year, at this time of day, in this part of the country? Localized ENTIRELY within your kitchen?
L238[21:29:30] <FLHerne> this fails to be an example
L239[21:50:05] <Mat2ch> The bot might get an exception.
L240[21:54:32] <Azander> I think I missed something
L241[21:55:30] <Eddi|zuHause> i think the question was whether to make a "official" or "inofficial" KSP channel, the latter having the advantage to be more lenient with "the rules"
L242[21:56:07] <Azander> ahhh
L243[21:59:32] <Eddi|zuHause> all that under the precondition that we actually have to move away from here, when the network really shuts down.
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L246[22:03:33] <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i think an "official" channel might be found easier, but i don't think many people are looking for a channel anymore
L247[22:06:11] <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: the network is already, currently, 'really shut down'
L248[22:06:59] <FLHerne> unless you reconfigure your client to use the specific IPs, or are using a bouncer and haven't disconnected yet
L249[22:07:31] <Eddi|zuHause> is there a list of ips?
L250[22:07:40] <FLHerne> any non-technical user won't be able to reach us currently
L251[22:08:17] <Eddi|zuHause> well, i don't know how low the overlap between non-technical and irc users is nowadays
L252[22:08:55] <FLHerne> 51.81.82.143 51.255.119.242 139.99.136.176 188.240.145.50
L253[22:09:32] <FLHerne> 2001:41d0:304:200::e1e0, 2001:6b0:78::50, 2402:1f00:8100:400::1570, 2a00:d880:5:45c:ca7a::
L254[22:09:34] <Eddi|zuHause> what i meant to ask was: is there somewhere a person who's currently unable to connect can find them?
L255[22:09:46] <FLHerne> Not that I'm aware of
L256[22:10:07] <FLHerne> hence "the network is already, currently, 'really shut down'" :p
L257[22:10:32] <FLHerne> there is no espernet, just some zombie servers
L258[22:23:02] <Azander> :(
L259[22:23:12] <Azander> I outlasted another big one :(
L260[22:25:54] <packbart> tbh, I didn't quite understand what the message meant by "our DNS caches are expiring". as long as the nameservers are up, the records should be served?
L261[22:28:24] <Mat2ch> but that also means they can't add or remove servers from the network.
L262[22:29:19] <Eddi|zuHause> i thought half of the problem was that the servers themselves need to be moved because of sponsor change?
L263[22:29:38] <Eddi|zuHause> which obviously means they can't take the IPs with them
L264[22:29:39] <Mat2ch> and no access to the domain also means that it might not get renewaled
L265[22:30:17] <Mat2ch> Well, going to sleep. See you on the other side.
L266[22:38:13] <sandbox> good luck
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L270[23:49:25] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission
L271[23:49:25] <LunchBot> As you approach the surface, you think "Here we go again..." Your NTR leaves you for a sleeker, more powerful spacecraft.
L272[23:52:00] <XXCoder> ntr leaves you yet again
L273[23:52:14] <XXCoder> ;mission
L274[23:52:14] <LunchBot> You research quantum flubber sneakers. Oh my god, you killed Kenny.
L275[23:52:23] <XXCoder> yeah kenny went to space
L276[23:52:35] <XXCoder> he wasnt wearing suit so yeah
L277[23:53:56] <Eddi|zuHause> Kenny Kerman?
L278[23:54:03] <XXCoder> seems so
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