OCLogs: 2023-05-12.log

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L3[00:15:49] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission

L4[00:15:49] <LunchBot> You scoff about how silly it would be to argue about which OS is better, then immediately turn around and start bickering about desktop environments. Bill throws up on your shoes (again).

L5[00:16:32] <Eddi|zuHause> he can puke all he wants, but i like KDE

L6[00:19:41] <raptop> KDE obviously stands for Kerbal Desktop Environment

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L8[00:23:07] <Eddi|zuHause> at least i've never heard any more convincing argument what the K stands for

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L11[00:34:40] <packbart> I like the Minmus All-Terrain Environment

L12[00:36:51] <packbart> The Godot engine code is quite ugly. At least with closed-source, you don't have to see how the sausage is made! :)

L13[00:37:03] <packbart> it has bugs parsing large integers, too. *sigh*

L14[00:41:00] <packbart> one day, we'll have computers that can work with more than just a few digits

L15[00:44:22] <Eddi|zuHause> you mean, like, python?

L16[00:47:10] <packbart> "Floating point numbers are usually implemented using double in C" - no

L17[00:47:31] <packbart> yes, there is Decimal and such but other languages have them, too, I think

L18[00:48:41] <Eddi|zuHause> arbitrarily large integers are way easier than arbitrary precision floats

L19[00:48:43] <packbart> and the problem I have with Godot is that I get 64bit integer values in JSON but they are parsed into float64, mapping multiple numbers onto one

L20[00:49:46] <packbart> then I hacked it to use to_int() if the number contains no ".". turns out, that function doesn't accept the 19th digit at all

L21[00:51:03] <packbart> then I looked at the source of the string thingy and found more ugly code. hrm. and duplicated code for types, too, even though they use c++ templates in other parts of the code

L22[00:51:50] <packbart> being a game engine, I can't decide if this is just left-overs from the 2007 hobby project that Godot once was or if it shaves off the critical nanoseconds in frame-time

L23[01:03:43] <Azander> !mission

L24[01:03:43] <LunchBot> You try to make hot tea in zero gravity. The Kraken dines on your vessel.

L25[01:04:19] <Eddi|zuHause> the tea was apparently tasty

L26[01:06:03] <Azander> rather improbable too

L27[01:08:04] <Eddi|zuHause> thing about statistics: improbable things happen all the damn time...

L28[01:09:11] <Eddi|zuHause> if a thing has a 1 in a million chance to happen to a person, there's still like 7000 people it has happened to

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L32[01:28:07] <packbart> well, 1 in a million chances are rather special, too

L33[01:32:53] <packbart> reminds me of a radio show ages ago where a caller said they didn't believe that life on other planets exists because the chances of that would be "astronomical"

L34[01:33:38] <packbart> Astronomical chances on astronomical scales become certainties evntually

L35[01:34:46] <Eddi|zuHause> that brings us into fermi paradox territory

L36[01:38:19] <packbart> well, I think that there is probably life out there but the distances in space and time are too great for two civilizations to even notice each other

L37[01:39:09] <packbart> and it's all about plastic. The Creators needed plastic and this is the only recipe they have: make a universe, let it stew a few billion years until enough plastic has formed, decant, rinse and wash

L38[01:40:54] <Eddi|zuHause> well, there's a problem there: if space travel is invented and sustained over a period of time, eventually the whole galaxy will be covered

L39[01:41:11] <packbart> styroforam doesn't spontaneously form in an exploding star. it's a rare material in the universe! :)

L40[01:42:48] <packbart> a galaxy is a very small thing, tbh

L41[01:43:24] <Eddi|zuHause> just because we haven't seen an asteroid made of styrofoam doesn't mean it doesn't exist :p

L42[01:44:42] <Eddi|zuHause> sure, but even conservative estimates put into the drake equation come out as "about 1 intelligent species per galaxy"

L43[01:46:34] <packbart> well, I don't see the dolphins building interplanetary spacecraft anytime soon (is that speciesist-ish? :)

L44[01:46:56] <packbart> so "intelligent" alone doesn't cut it. need opposable thumbs, too

L45[01:47:04] <Eddi|zuHause> so long, and thanks for all the fish

L46[01:48:20] <Eddi|zuHause> i think the drake equation kinda expects only one dominant species per planet that develops life

L47[01:49:56] <Eddi|zuHause> one of the key technologies will be electricity, which kind of puts a damper on any aquatic species

L48[01:52:47] <packbart> the technological explosion that sent humans into orbit is only happening for a short time now. a few hundred years are just a blink. we'll see

L49[01:53:31] <packbart> maybe civilizations burn out that fast. invent the jump drive, next thing you know is that someone uses it to open a portal into the sun to burn off the other half of the planet.

L50[01:54:25] <Eddi|zuHause> there's a few grim resolutions to the fermi paradox

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L52[02:14:53] <packbart> a written language is probably also an important thing for technological evolution, now that I write about it

L53[02:16:45] <packbart> the whales can only keep their history and knowledge alive by singing about it

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L55[02:20:49] <packbart> I wonder if they have travelling bards, bringing news from one herd to another

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L78[09:31:11] <FLHerne> raptop: It didn't, F9 took K-1's place in COTS after Kistler ran into trouble

L79[09:31:40] <FLHerne> Could reasonably say that SpaceX only survived because Kistler didn't

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L82[10:36:56] <FLHerne> I do quite like K-1's "interstage fairing as a shuttlecock" idea

L83[10:37:05] <FLHerne> although it can't have been cheap on mass

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L85[11:45:46] <darsie> .

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L88[12:54:39] <KrazyKrl> ;mission add The meat robots are trying to revolt (again.)

L89[12:54:39] <LunchBot> Added mission: The meat robots are trying to revolt (again.)

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L91[12:57:38] <KrazyKrl> ;mission add Your rocket achieves the largest spallation event yet observed.

L92[12:57:38] <LunchBot> Added mission: Your rocket achieves the largest spallation event yet observed.

L93[13:01:15] <KrazyKrl> ;outcome add Bill Kerman reacts implosively, and emits blinding neutrino radiation.

L94[13:01:16] <LunchBot> Added outcome: Bill Kerman reacts implosively, and emits blinding neutrino radiation.

L95[13:04:21] <KrazyKrl> ;mission add The science report somehow contains an unreadable emojigraph.

L96[13:04:21] <LunchBot> Added mission: The science report somehow contains an unreadable emojigraph.

L97[13:05:13] <KrazyKrl> ;mission

L98[13:05:13] <LunchBot> You show pictures from your awesome mission to your physics professor, and ask if they'll count for partial credit on the homework you didn't do while you were playing KSP. What are you asking me for? It's always "LunchBot, give me a mission." Don't you think I want to go on missions sometime? But nooo, I'm stuck here, giving you pithy statements.

L99[13:12:34] <KrazyKrl> ;mission add Your stargate stops rotating.

L100[13:12:34] <LunchBot> Added mission: Your stargate stops rotating.

L101[13:16:08] <KrazyKrl> ;mission add You drop a pallet of RCS thrusters off of the loading dock.

L102[13:16:08] <LunchBot> Added mission: You drop a pallet of RCS thrusters off of the loading dock.

L103[13:17:04] <XXCoder> ;outcome add All of half of your landing ship have landed on Mun intact!

L104[13:17:04] <LunchBot> Added outcome: All of half of your landing ship have landed on Mun intact!

L105[13:18:08] <Althego> ;outcome add The surface of Kerbin disappears, turning the planet into a naked singularity.

L106[13:18:08] <LunchBot> Added outcome: The surface of Kerbin disappears, turning the planet into a naked singularity.

L107[13:19:56] <XXCoder> ;mission

L108[13:19:57] <LunchBot> Bob confuses hydrazine for diphenhydramine. Randall explores all the various ways everybody could die due to it in the next XKCD What-If.

L109[13:20:08] <XXCoder> perfect combo

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L111[13:34:07] <KrazyKrl> ;mission add Val somehow creates a Korolev Cross with a single SRB.

L112[13:34:07] <LunchBot> Added mission: Val somehow creates a Korolev Cross with a single SRB.

L113[13:34:22] <Althego> lol

L114[13:34:49] <Eddi|zuHause> Althego: i've had the surface of kerbin disappear... only the KSC left floating

L115[13:35:17] <KrazyKrl> ;mission add Ironically due to a rounding error; your engine bells are no longer round.

L116[13:35:17] <LunchBot> Added mission: Ironically due to a rounding error; your engine bells are no longer round.

L117[13:35:29] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission

L118[13:35:30] <LunchBot> You give your spaceplane a bad attitude. Kerbn cannot into spaec today.

L119[13:35:40] <Eddi|zuHause> KrazyKrl: shouldn't that really be an outcome?

L120[13:38:09] <KrazyKrl> ;outcome argues with

L121[13:38:09] <LunchBot> Everyone argues with you about whether or not this should have been a mission or an outcome.

L122[13:38:27] <Althego> hehe

L123[13:38:45] <darsie> .

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L125[13:39:30] <Althego> outcome add Everything ends with darsie giving you a ".".

L126[13:39:35] <Althego> ;outcome add Everything ends with darsie giving you a ".".

L127[13:39:35] <LunchBot> Added outcome: Everything ends with darsie giving you a ".".

L128[13:39:57] <darsie> There are concepts for linear darts.

L129[13:40:01] <darsie> I mean ...

L130[13:40:40] <darsie> aerospikes

L131[13:40:58] <darsie> re non round engines.

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L133[13:41:32] <KrazyKrl> ;outcome add Your aerospike powered rocket becomes the largest jart on record.

L134[13:41:32] <LunchBot> Added outcome: Your aerospike powered rocket becomes the largest jart on record.

L135[13:42:45] <darsie> Are jarts smelly?

L136[13:43:01] <KrazyKrl> jarts have been banned in the US since like 1988

L137[13:43:13] <darsie> Lawn darts?

L138[13:43:18] <KrazyKrl> yep

L139[13:48:20] <KrazyKrl> ;outcome add Good thing you have Rockomax Litigation Services on retainer.

L140[13:48:20] <LunchBot> Added outcome: Good thing you have Rockomax Litigation Services on retainer.

L141[13:48:29] <packbart> I remember playing with lawn darts (they are not banned over here)

L142[13:49:23] <sandbox> they use plastic now

L143[13:49:54] <KrazyKrl> all of them around here are weighted semispherical.

L144[13:50:50] <Althego> hemispherical?

L145[13:52:03] <KrazyKrl> naa, we mix latin and greek round these parts

L146[13:52:44] <Althego> come to think of it i dont even know sphere in lati

L147[13:54:27] <KrazyKrl> ;mission add Val aborts the launch and starts the RTLS procedures.

L148[13:54:28] <LunchBot> Added mission: Val aborts the launch and starts the RTLS procedures.

L149[13:54:36] <KrazyKrl> ;mission

L150[13:54:36] <LunchBot> You perturb the Magic Boulder. You freeze to death.

L151[13:54:53] <KrazyKrl> magic boulder is endothermic confirmed.

L152[13:55:12] <sandbox> 0-3 sad onions https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Age_warning_symbol.svg

L153[13:58:02] <KrazyKrl> ;mission add Due to an accounting error; Bill forgets if he meets the age requirements of a mega bloks set.

L154[13:58:02] <LunchBot> Added mission: Due to an accounting error; Bill forgets if he meets the age requirements of a mega bloks set.

L155[14:00:53] <darsie> Does KSP2 work offline?

L156[14:01:17] <packbart> yes

L157[14:01:21] <darsie> thx

L158[14:02:09] <packbart> did Honest Aleks deliver the goods?

L159[14:02:28] <Althego> sounds like some contraband changing hands

L160[14:02:53] <packbart> I don't know in which shady corners of the Internet darsie buys KSP ;)

L161[14:03:00] <darsie> steam

L162[14:03:28] <darsie> The deal is not yet sealed.

L163[14:03:35] <packbart> ah, not from Ukraine with norwegian currency? :)

L164[14:03:41] <darsie> nope

L165[14:03:52] <darsie> I'm aiming for India/rupees.

L166[14:03:56] <darsie> Only 30 EUR.

L167[14:04:55] <darsie> Which countries flag has horizontal red, white, blue stripes?

L168[14:05:09] <darsie> ChatGPT ...

L169[14:05:31] <packbart> the Netherlands?

L170[14:05:42] <Althego> not ion that order

L171[14:06:01] <Althego> oh wait yes in that

L172[14:06:03] <darsie> NL and croatia

L173[14:06:10] <Althego> https://www.eggradients.com/blog/red-white-blue-flags

L174[14:06:40] <darsie> Croatia has a shield, too.

L175[14:07:14] <darsie> So the three free ProtonVPN servers are in NL, USA, Japan.

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L180[14:51:31] <darsie> I think of moving from India to Austria.

L181[14:53:19] <Althego> why

L182[14:54:32] <darsie> It's too hot in India.

L183[14:54:36] <darsie> And too dirty.

L184[14:55:13] <Althego> say hi to the kikkerikii bird :)

L185[14:55:22] <darsie> hmm

L186[14:55:44] <darsie> hi http://0x0.st/HNb6.JPG

L187[15:07:13] <raptop> Yay, crows

L188[15:09:44] <Althego> i like the black ones better

L189[15:09:51] <Althego> nut they areo nly around in the winter

L190[15:12:32] <sandbox> we only have black crows

L191[15:12:58] <sandbox> they are a completely different species afaik

L192[15:14:07] <Althego> yes the grey and black are different species

L193[15:15:08] <Althego> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooded_crow vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rook_(bird)

L194[15:22:08] <raptop> hm, rooks, I guess you could call cardinals "bishops"...

L195[15:22:15] <raptop> can you put together a whole chess set of birbs?

L196[15:22:47] <Althego> i didnt even knoe they were named like that

L197[15:27:09] <sandbox> pies

L198[16:04:24] <Eddi|zuHause> apparently crows and ravens (not a clear distinction between both other than size) are extremely intelligent birds, some researchers suggesting they have the same intelligence level as humans

L199[16:06:36] <Eddi|zuHause> in several cities they have been observed using traffic lights. they let cars go over nuts to crack them, and in the red phase they get the cracked nuts

L200[16:06:52] <Althego> i knew they were smart, but i didnt know thi

L201[16:07:10] <Eddi|zuHause> in one city they have been observed to let the nuts exclusively on the bus lane, because they have more time to get the results

L202[16:09:39] <Eddi|zuHause> in one experiment they concluded a logical connection between a stick moving on its own and a human exiting a hideout some time later

L203[16:10:58] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission

L204[16:10:58] <LunchBot> Per UmbralRaptop's last memo, you start saving your screenshots as FITS images. MechJeb proves to be no less reckless than Real Jeb.

L205[16:11:46] <Eddi|zuHause> at least i now have the screenshots to prove it

L206[16:12:28] <raptop> probably helpful

L207[16:12:46] <raptop> and yes, corvids are the best (extant) dinosaurs

L208[16:13:48] <sandbox> it's probably why the raptors in JP were intelligent

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L212[19:20:33] <Althego> https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Space_Science/Juice/Juice_s_RIME_antenna_breaks_free

L213[19:20:38] <Althego> i want to break free

L214[19:22:20] <raptop> \o/

L215[20:03:35] <umaxtu> the juice is loose!

L216[20:05:28] <Althego> thundercats are on the move, thundercats are loose

L217[20:05:29] <sandbox> there's a juice loose aboot this hoose!

L218[20:06:43] <umaxtu> so what was the original intention for this conveniently located Nox Explosive Actuator?

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L220[20:11:56] <Althego> i guess opening the antenna. but then why didnt they use it first, and only resort to shaek the craft with engines?

L221[20:12:00] <Althego> later

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