OCLogs: 2023-04-26.log

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L3[00:29:28] <raptop> !mission

L4[00:29:29] <LunchBot> Your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to kill every kerbal in one titanic explosion. The last few decades' mysterious population growth turns out to have been time travelers jumping back to avoid today's event.

L5[00:29:46] <raptop> :thonk:

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L9[00:49:12] <LSkilton> Geddy Lee from Rush, Mrs. Edna Skilton, and Jean Pierre Manikariza are at it again! Read about their hot steamy sexual adventure at Fort Moultrie on Sullivan's Island! https://justpaste.it/Skilton-Geddy-Lee-Fort-Moultrie

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L34[07:46:40] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission

L35[07:46:40] <LunchBot> You try to perform a barrel roll while on the ground. A pile of viruses is unexpectedly dumped onto Mission Control.

L36[07:47:06] <Eddi|zuHause> oh no...

L37[07:55:18] <XXCoder> probably left jar of it on jet and it got flung

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L49[12:34:16] <darsie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJmt7yM1gBE

L50[12:34:23] <darsie> I finally built my DREAM Kerbal Space Program controller 🤩

L51[12:34:29] <darsie> Didn't watch.

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L55[13:38:02] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdvkb9UEf30

L56[13:38:05] <Althego> 3 minutes

L57[13:39:18] <Mat2ch> Rainy

L58[13:40:43] <Althego> hold

L59[13:41:26] <Mat2ch> sad

L60[13:41:47] <Mat2ch> I bet weather

L61[13:42:23] <Althego> why did then need to wait until the last seconds?

L62[13:44:22] <darsie> Bad weather at barge?

L63[13:44:34] <darsie> "probability of landing failure"

L64[13:45:43] <Mat2ch> I guess high upper winds at the barge. That could blow the booster of course too much

L65[13:46:11] <raptop> darsie: that's the sort of delay you'd expect to see with a 737 flight or something

L66[13:48:22] <Mat2ch> Nah, they will just land at a different airport and wish you good luck.

L67[13:48:32] <raptop> hah

L68[14:06:35] <Mat2ch> !mission

L69[14:06:35] <LunchBot> You use drainage pipes after having run out of fuel lines. Your activities are later retconned out.

L70[14:06:55] <Mat2ch> uh, retconned?

L71[14:10:32] <Althego> i could understan retconning in. but how do you retcon something out?

L72[14:11:17] <SporkWitch> same way. "this thing always happened" vs "this thing never happened."

L73[14:12:28] <SporkWitch> off the top of my head i can't think of any examples from film; i can think of several RL examples but they're inately political so I'll leave it at that

L74[14:13:30] <Althego> some guys were removed from photos in the soviet union

L75[14:13:54] <SporkWitch> many events just of the past few years are ignored and even outright denied

L76[14:14:28] <Althego> but i perceived retconning as somehow fitting people or events into already existing events as if it happened, and for that nothing actually is changed, but removing somebody needs change

L77[14:16:55] <SporkWitch> retcon is just a contraction for "retroactive continuity," it's certainly more typical to explain adding something that doesn't make sense, one of the most famous examples being the changes to the Han and Greedo scene in A New Hope, but it can also be in the form of ignoring something that happened in the past. I think one could argue that about the JJ Abrams Star Trek movies. In lore, phasers

L78[14:17:23] <Althego> those font exist for me :)

L79[14:17:29] <SporkWitch> don't work at warp speed, since as soon as it left the warp bubble it would drop back down to speed of light. JJ Abrams uses phasers at warp, ignoring the established physics of the universe

L80[14:17:32] <Althego> that is called fanon discontinuity :)

L81[14:18:27] <Althego> and if it is extremely bad, and even the creator says it sucks, and shouldnt exist, that is the canon discontinuity

L82[14:18:44] <SporkWitch> nonetheless, it's technically a retcon

L83[14:20:48] <Mat2ch> Oh, revising, removing something later on. Now I get it.

L84[14:21:02] <Mat2ch> So there's now proof of the drainage pipes :P

L85[14:24:31] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission

L86[14:24:31] <LunchBot> You build a giant Orffyreus's wheel to satisfy your power needs. Your heroic sacrifice in the name of science is remembered for generations.

L87[14:25:03] <Althego> no, now there is no proof. as if you have never did that

L88[14:25:19] <Althego> *done

L89[14:30:18] <Eddi|zuHause> is that retconning that juri gagarin apparently ejected from the capsule before it hit the ground, which was kept as a state secret because it would have invalidated the completed orbit?

L90[14:30:39] <Althego> no, they just didnt say he did

L91[14:31:00] <Althego> lying by omission

L92[14:31:19] <Eddi|zuHause> i think they outright lied by saying he stayed in the capsule

L93[14:33:21] <Mat2ch> !mission

L94[14:33:21] <LunchBot> You try to launch your Jool probe with an Inertial Upper Stage from your payload bay. Val's sarcasm is more accurate than your paranoia.

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L97[14:59:05] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission

L98[14:59:05] <LunchBot> You try to perform maintenance on your transit vehicle during the capture burn. Your CPU shakes its head in embarrassment and goes back counting integers.

L99[14:59:44] <Eddi|zuHause> as the CPU should... leave handling floats to the FPU

L100[15:00:25] <Althego> fpu today is normally part of the cpu

L101[15:00:45] <Althego> not in the 386 days. but ever since then it is a part

L102[15:02:20] <packbart> wasn't there a 487, too?

L103[15:02:59] <Althego> 486 already had it built in, maybe except for the slc?

L104[15:03:18] <packbart> well, there were weird combinations. SX, DX. I had a DX2/66

L105[15:03:35] <Althego> i startedd wit ha dx2-66 too

L106[15:03:39] <packbart> anyway, FPUs still are pretty bad at math

L107[15:04:14] <packbart> not enough digits go count

L108[15:04:17] <packbart> *to

L109[15:04:30] <Althego> isnt it usually 80 bits internally?

L110[15:06:53] <packbart> but then it gets turned into 32bits of floating points

L111[15:07:20] <Althego> or 64 for double. or to some bits of int

L112[15:07:24] <Eddi|zuHause> the first CPU i remember using was a 386DX25

L113[15:07:33] <Althego> hence the necessity of the FMAC instruction

L114[15:07:58] <Althego> which was missing for a long time from the pc

L115[15:08:14] <Eddi|zuHause> 80bit floats was an intel thing. other processor manufacturers exist(ed)

L116[15:09:05] <Eddi|zuHause> and only the 32/64 bit variants are standardized as far as i know

L117[15:09:17] <Althego> i am not sure how many bits, but internally the fpu uses more bits. and when you get the numbers outside it rounds to closes floats

L118[15:09:50] <Althego> that is why it is good to do the operations without moving the result out, and that is why multiply and accumulate in a single step is useful

L119[15:09:51] <Eddi|zuHause> there are a lot of open parts about the standard

L120[15:10:08] <sandbox> the first intel cpu I had was a 486sx25

L121[15:10:09] <Eddi|zuHause> like when and where to do rounding

L122[15:10:42] <Althego> somewhat also a responsibility of libc

L123[15:11:14] <Eddi|zuHause> like, on an intel CPU, multiplying two 64bit floats will internally convert them to 80bit, do the multiplication, and then convert back to 64bit. while other CPUs might directly operate on 64bit

L124[15:24:47] <Mat2ch> Uh, did you all check mainboard prices recently? This is getting crazy

L125[15:25:19] <darsie> expersive?

L126[15:25:22] <darsie> n

L127[15:25:47] <Althego> everything does

L128[15:25:57] <KrazyKrl> ;outcome add Your aquatic capsule recovery observer is renamed to a floating point unit.

L129[15:25:57] <LunchBot> Added outcome: Your aquatic capsule recovery observer is renamed to a floating point unit.

L130[15:26:02] <Althego> and you dont even need to deal with the conversion problems we have

L131[15:26:07] <Mat2ch> Yeah, what costed 100 EUR a few years back is apparently now worth 400 EUR...

L132[15:32:36] <Eddi|zuHause> i saw a video where someone complained about that the "cheap" mainboard lines keep adding features which inflates prices

L133[15:33:05] <Althego> and yet they cant add a simple 2 digit display for eerror codes

L134[15:33:11] <Althego> that is only on the expensive ones

L135[15:36:11] <packbart> why would I want a display for cryptic error codes I would have to look up on the net, anyway?

L136[15:36:27] <packbart> in that case, they could just add a proper LCD and display an error message

L137[15:36:37] <Mat2ch> true

L138[15:36:50] <Mat2ch> But that would make 200 EUR/USD extra.

L139[15:36:54] <Mat2ch> Just because it's a display.

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L142[15:44:51] <Althego> but they edont even display error codes

L143[15:44:54] <Althego> they just beep

L144[15:44:58] <Althego> on maybe 4-5 wyasd

L145[15:45:01] <Althego> and that is it

L146[15:45:14] <Althego> the error codes are better

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L148[16:02:06] <Mat2ch> or just output it over a standardized connection

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L150[16:02:23] <Mat2ch> if something fails you can just plug in and look

L151[16:02:35] <Eddi|zuHause> "we should have one standard that unifies all the standards" :p

L152[16:02:43] <Althego> i dont even need to plug in my eyes

L153[16:02:57] <Eddi|zuHause> why would a random person have this diagnosis device?

L154[16:04:02] <raptop> I would like to file a bug report about my eyes' lack of sensitivity to JHK bands

L155[16:04:22] <Eddi|zuHause> it's not a bug, it's a feature.

L156[16:06:12] <Mat2ch> Eddi|zuHause: you mean USB?

L157[16:06:23] <Althego> hehe, the least universal serial bus ever

L158[16:06:36] <Althego> try something better

L159[16:07:31] <Mat2ch> Firewire!

L160[16:07:49] <Althego> at least that didnt have like a dozen connector type

L161[16:07:50] <Althego> s

L162[16:08:25] <Althego> i dont know what it needs to be, jtag, can, whatever, choose soemthingbetter

L163[16:08:48] <raptop> Unique Serial Bus

L164[16:10:44] <Althego> hehe

L165[16:52:04] <Mat2ch> Althego: Infrared.

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L168[18:17:46] <raptop> !mission

L169[18:17:47] <LunchBot> You dine on some calamari. You scrubbed your launch.

L170[18:17:59] <raptop> distracted by a lunch I guess

L171[18:20:49] <Mat2ch> happens

L172[18:30:47] <Mat2ch> !mission

L173[18:30:47] <LunchBot> Confusing the DT Vista inertial fusion engine with Windows Vista, you mount an install disk on the back of your spacecraft to achieve extreme specfic impulse. You scare a cat in a box half to death.

L174[18:31:03] <Althego> hehe

L175[18:31:08] <Mat2ch> Yeah, that's it.

L176[18:31:16] <Althego> schrödinger's os drive

L177[18:35:15] <Mat2ch> !mission

L178[18:35:15] <LunchBot> You build some of the Star Wars fighters in KSP. Your vessel was a ghost the entire time.

L179[18:35:57] <Mat2ch> Hm. Not sure about that one. I would never build Star Wars fighters.

L180[18:36:51] <Althego> i tried millenium falcon, but it always turned out ugly and i gave up hakfway

L181[18:39:51] <Mat2ch> And I'm just not a Star Wars fan...

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L184[19:17:15] <Eddi|zuHause> last i checked millennium falcon wasn't a fighter

L185[19:19:04] <sandbox> freighter

L186[19:24:52] <Mat2ch> It always annoys me thinking of millennium falcon as a frighter. That thing is far too small to be a frighter.

L187[19:25:48] <Mat2ch> This is space. Size is not a problem. A freigther can be big and probably will be big

L188[19:26:04] <sandbox> they explained it by having it pick up cargo containers

L189[19:26:35] <Mat2ch> Nobody in their right mind would transport small cargo containers...

L190[19:27:11] <Mat2ch> They would at least use several shipping containers per ship. And I'm talking 100+ here

L191[19:27:27] <Mat2ch> There is too much expensive human labor for too little cargo.

L192[19:27:49] <sandbox> did you never play x-wing?

L193[19:29:07] * X wings it sometimes.

L194[19:29:18] <Mat2ch> X: We don't want details!

L195[19:29:21] <Mat2ch> sandbox: I didn't.

L196[19:29:30] <Mat2ch> Not a Star Wars fan.

L197[19:29:53] <X> Fine. No details.

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L200[19:43:19] <raptop> to be fair, it's a silly setting. 1600 m long [star] destroyers

L201[19:43:36] <raptop> so, uh, I guess insert DDH joke here

L202[20:04:39] <darsie> This reminded me of KSP: http://0x0.st/HK41.png

L203[20:04:55] <raptop> !outcome add Bill, Bob, Jeb, and Val take one look at your rocket and all promptly tender their resignations.

L204[20:04:55] <LunchBot> Added outcome: Bill, Bob, Jeb, and Val take one look at your rocket and all promptly tender their resignations.

L205[21:05:11] <raptop> !mission

L206[21:05:11] <LunchBot> You build a Large Hamdron Collider for protein anti-protein research. You forget a minus sign, with disastrous effects.

L207[21:19:50] <Mat2ch> So it's protein-protein research, resulting in a large sausage?

L208[21:20:08] <KrazyKrl> ;mission aluminum falcon

L209[21:20:08] <LunchBot> No mission found matching "aluminum falcon".

L210[21:20:41] <Mat2ch> Oh no

L211[21:20:41] <KrazyKrl> ;mission add You launch your new orbiter, the "Aluminum Falcon"

L212[21:20:41] <LunchBot> Added mission: You launch your new orbiter, the "Aluminum Falcon"

L213[21:20:45] <Mat2ch> :D

L214[21:20:52] <raptop> Yeah, seeing how the sausage is made is disasterous

L215[21:21:02] <Mat2ch> KrazyKrl: is the missing i intentional?

L216[21:21:14] <raptop> "missing"

L217[21:21:50] * Mat2ch eyes raptop critically

L218[21:22:26] * raptop speaks en-US, not en-DE

L219[21:23:34] <KrazyKrl> I speak en-simplified not en-traditional

L220[21:30:05] <Mat2ch> raptop: Don't you dare. Get rid of that imperial unit system first!

L221[21:31:52] <raptop> What, you don't like 16 ounces of water weighing 17 ounces?

L222[21:34:54] <Mat2ch> You have to choose. Aluminum or imperial units.

L223[21:38:02] <raptop> Fine, I'll measure turbolaser range in meters instead of feet

L224[21:39:18] <Mat2ch> What is a turbolaser?

L225[21:39:34] <Mat2ch> Star Wars... oh come on

L226[21:39:43] <raptop> :D

L227[21:39:50] <sandbox> :)

L228[21:39:56] <Mat2ch> how can a laser be turbo? FTL lasers?

L229[21:40:15] <raptop> It's a silly setting. See eg: "star destroyer" being a consistent ship class

L230[21:41:41] <sandbox> they aren't actually lasers, they use something called tibanna gas

L231[21:42:59] <raptop> Is tibanna gas still a thing post-Disney?

L232[21:43:46] <sandbox> cloud city still exists

L233[21:44:59] <raptop> hm

L234[21:45:47] <Mat2ch> Is there banana in tibanna?

L235[21:46:16] <raptop> nah, it uses technobabble like being spin-sealed

L236[21:46:50] <Mat2ch> There is probably a use case for spin-sealing

L237[21:46:59] <Mat2ch> also I'm not sure if the seals would like it.

L238[21:47:11] <Mat2ch> *although

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L242[22:22:18] <raptop> . o O (putting seals on a merry-go-round)

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L244[22:23:38] <Azander> !mission

L245[22:23:38] <LunchBot> You attempt to obtain a surface sample from Jool. The Mün dust makes you bleed, so you set off in search of Even Crazier Spacedust.

L246[22:24:01] <raptop> Did you snort the mundust?

L247[22:24:14] <raptop> (Kave Kermann here!)

L248[22:24:41] <Azander> no idea

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