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L7[01:41:17] <XXCoder> ;mission
L8[01:41:17] <LunchBot> You visit KSC2. A
two solar mass black hole passes Kerbin and flings you into space.
Kerbin's orbit is unaffected.
L9[01:41:39] <XXCoder> hah
L10[01:41:50] <XXCoder> 2 blackholes from
ksp2
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L12[02:44:10] <raptop> grats?
L13[02:44:46] <darsie> Well, it's not
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L14[02:45:19] <darsie> you can say yay
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L29[05:28:39] <raptop> !mission
L30[05:28:40] <LunchBot> You instigate a
revolution against the Tsiolkovsky, tyrant of the rocket equation.
You become an entry in Derek Lowe's blog.
L31[05:29:16] <raptop> Presumably I tried
to develop some new high Isp and high TWR propellants. With
extremely !!Fun!! results
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L70[16:31:55] <packbart> "Some content
has been removed, due to interpersonal bickering" - Dangit,
I'm always too late for Forum Drama
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L74[16:57:03] <ThatOneGuy> wassup
L75[16:57:14] <darsie> Minmus
L76[16:57:21] <SporkWitch> Up is the
opposite direction from the centre of perceived gravitational
attraction
L77[16:57:38] <ThatOneGuy> ThE sKy
L78[16:57:43] <darsie> away from your
mom
L79[16:58:00] <ThatOneGuy> damn, okay, i
see you
L80[16:58:06] <darsie> :)
L81[16:58:18] <ThatOneGuy> so whats
new
L82[16:58:28] <SporkWitch> patch this week,
hopefully
L83[16:58:30] <darsie> Playing some
spacealpha.net
L84[16:58:59] <ThatOneGuy> woah, what is
this
L85[16:59:10] <packbart> There Is No
Up
L86[16:59:14] <darsie> browser space war
game.
L87[16:59:27] <ThatOneGuy> cool
L88[17:02:13] <ThatOneGuy> this is
wicked!
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L91[17:10:48] <ThatOneGuy> so other than a
new game, what else has been going on?
L92[17:16:01] <darsie> Bitcoins are
up.
L93[17:16:16] <darsie> Earths temperature
is up.
L94[17:16:51] <SporkWitch> chain-reaction
of bank collapses, people wisely getting their money out while they
can
L95[17:17:19] <darsie> Which collapses
banks, I guess.
L97[17:17:51] <darsie> :)
L98[17:18:53] <SporkWitch> hence chain
reaction. Basically, the way the system works, banks USED to be
allowed to lend out more money than they have (called fractional
reserve, they had to have "real" money of no less than
20% what they lend out). If everyone tries to get their money out
at the same time, they don't have enough to pay everyone. In, I
believe it was 2020, the fractional reserve system was abolished:
banks
L99[17:19:05] <SporkWitch> can now just
lend infinite money, regardless of how much they actually
have
L100[17:19:28] <ThatOneGuy> wait, we're
heading into another depression?
L101[17:19:36] <SporkWitch> have been for
years
L102[17:19:44] <ThatOneGuy> great
L103[17:19:50] <ThatOneGuy> should be
fun
L104[17:19:55] <darsie> Might help save
nature.
L105[17:19:57] <SporkWitch> going into
detail would definitely go against channel rules, but i figure that
quick explanation is fine
L106[17:20:33] <ThatOneGuy> ah yes,
nature
L107[17:21:14] <ThatOneGuy> isnt there
anything to keep banks from defaulting?
L108[17:22:11] <SporkWitch> no, nor should
there be. The FDIC insures accounts up to $250,000, to protect
normal people and small businesses, but if a bank is screwing up
they're SUPPOSED to fail, that's how the system works: if you don't
make a profit, you die.
L109[17:22:48] <SporkWitch> PREVENTING
them from failing in 2008 is what led to the problems after, and is
coming to a head now. Think of it like treating cancer symptoms but
leaving the tumor to keep growing
L110[17:23:47] <ThatOneGuy> Oh
L111[17:24:00] <ThatOneGuy> I did not
realise that accounts get insured
L112[17:25:30] <Althego> normally it is
insured by all banks and a common pool. but that has a limit how
much you can get back, anything above that is lost
L113[17:25:36] <SporkWitch> i think it was
established after the First Great Depression, so that normal people
and small businesses would be protected from bad banking practices.
But that's the idea: to protect the regular people and small
businesses, NOT to protect the banks.
L114[17:26:25] <ThatOneGuy> That actually
makes sense
L115[17:26:31] <SporkWitch> yeah, it's
only up to $250,000 per account, which is one of many reasons
companies have multiple, separate accounts, at multiple banks. It
hedges their losses if any one goes down.
L116[17:27:09] <ThatOneGuy> i think this
is the first time i learned about the USA pulling its head out of
its rectum
L117[17:27:30] <SporkWitch> But like any
insurance system, if EVERYONE paying in needs it at once, there
isn't enough to go around; no difference from a bank run
L118[17:27:59] <Althego> i think rocket
lab had 38 million there
L119[17:27:59] <SporkWitch> what are you
talking about? the government and mainstream news are lying
outright and claiming everything is fine, calling for yet another
bailout like 2008 lol
L120[17:28:41] <SporkWitch> our gov is
shoving its head FURTHER up its rectrum
L121[17:28:55] <Althego> ok i think it is
enough
L122[17:29:18] <ThatOneGuy> you know, this
country sucks sometimes
L123[17:31:12] <ThatOneGuy> so, ksp2
L124[17:31:19] <SporkWitch> In the
interest of diverting this elsewhere, if you're interested in more
detail about what's happening, I recommend the two videos Tim Pool
released today (more commentary and just "this is what i'm
seeing happening"), as well as the Lotus Eaters' video this
morning, which explains in detail how the system works and how
these banks are imploding. Now back to kerbally things.
L125[17:31:45] <ThatOneGuy> cool, and yes
kerbally things
L126[17:32:12] <ThatOneGuy> I played
campaighn for the first time in 5 years the other day
L127[17:32:26] <ThatOneGuy> I'm usually on
sandbox
L128[17:32:33] <ThatOneGuy> oops
L129[17:33:22] <ThatOneGuy> !lunch
L130[17:33:22] <LunchBot> Chicken Caesar
salad.
L131[17:33:44] <ThatOneGuy> !mission
L132[17:33:44] <LunchBot> You throw a bag
of botsnacks into #KSPOfficial. kmath despairs at your choices and
resets its database.
L133[17:33:51] <SporkWitch> i've pretty
much played career exclusively since it was added; i got the game
very early on, but it was the lack of structure in sandbox mode
that turned me off more than the bugs, so i just sat on it.
L134[17:34:05] <SporkWitch> By the time i
came back, we were at like 1.10 or something lol
L135[17:37:27] <ThatOneGuy> career was
confusing at first, and then I discovered sandbox, and played that
exclusively. I whenever I am bored in class, I pull out my graph
notebook and start drawing rockets. I got called to the office
before because some kid said I was drawing missiles. That was a fun
day. The principle got so bored of me explaing what the labels were
on the p
L136[17:37:27] <ThatOneGuy> age, they cut
me off mid sentence and kicked me out of the AP's office.
L137[17:37:32] <ThatOneGuy> Good
Times
L138[17:37:54] <ThatOneGuy> Wow, that
derailed quick
L139[17:38:23] <ThatOneGuy> the lack of
structure is exactley what I like about it
L140[17:38:42] <ThatOneGuy> no bounds,
just your brain
L141[17:39:04] <SporkWitch> i find the
opposite. Science and Career modes, by limiting how many parts you
have access to behind the progression system, simplify things and
let you learn pieces at a slower pace, complexity only increasing
over time. Career specifically, thanks to the fixed contracts (not
the RNG ones, but the ones like "first launch,"
"first to space," "first stable orbit," etc.)
also give clear goals.
L142[17:39:27] <SporkWitch> well then i
imagine you're very much looking forward to the patch thursday
(hopefully)
L143[17:39:54] <SporkWitch> i'll re-test
performance and do some basic bughunting, but i'll probably only
put in another 10 or 20 hours before waiting again. Sandbox just
doesn't really do it for me.
L144[17:39:55] <ThatOneGuy> whats the
patch for, anyways? I dont have a computer, so I cant play
KSP2
L145[17:40:04] <SporkWitch> performance
and bugfixes
L146[17:40:09] <ThatOneGuy> oh
L147[17:40:16] <ThatOneGuy> I know it was
bad
L148[17:40:18] <SporkWitch> oh, sorry to
hear; it's quite beautiful and still fun, even with the bugs
L149[17:40:53] <ThatOneGuy> really? even
with a wopping 8fps?
L150[17:41:06] <ThatOneGuy> or is your
computer stacked?
L151[17:41:10] <SporkWitch> not nearly as
bad as people are making it out to be. Bugs were far worse in early
KSP1, and while performance is sub-par, it's consistently 20+ FPS
at the LOW end with moderate sized ships, when running within the
listed specs and settings.
L152[17:41:29] <ThatOneGuy> oh
L153[17:41:50] <SporkWitch> we've only
seen framerates that low when either 1) triggering specific
performance-tanking bugs, 2) very large, complicated ships, 3)
running higher settings / resolution than your hardware can handle,
4) running WAY below minimum spec
L155[17:42:13] <SporkWitch> community
hardware survey
L156[17:43:20] <ThatOneGuy> I have this
for my laptop---> ASUS L410 MA-DB02 Ultra Thin Laptop, 14” FHD
Display, Intel Celeron N4020 Processor, 4GB RAM, 64GB Storage
L157[17:43:34] <ThatOneGuy> I dont think
itll run XD
L158[17:44:29] <SporkWitch> so the most
common results on the list are the recommended CPU and the
lower-middle GPU from the previous generation. Average FPS across
all submissions it 72FPS in the VAB, 33 on the pad, and 41 in
space, using the stock LKO ship, and 67, 30, and 38 respectively
for the stock munar orbit ship
L159[17:45:37] <SporkWitch> I don't think
anyone's gotten the game to load with less than 8GB of RAM; 16GB is
the listed minimum (and is functionally the minimum for WINDOWS,
and has been for years)
L160[17:46:03] <SporkWitch> and obviously
that's a terrible processor even when it came out, and integrated
graphics are getting you nowhere
L161[17:48:47] <ThatOneGuy> Honestly, I
have no idea what any of this means. I just know that my laptop
sucks. Have a hard time running RoR
L162[17:49:18] <SporkWitch> it all
translate to "it's a steaming pile of excement, even when it
was new" heh
L164[17:49:54] <ThatOneGuy> pretty much,
yeah
L165[17:50:55] <ThatOneGuy> KSC followed
your craft into orbit?!
L166[17:51:23] <SporkWitch> yeah; haven't
triggered that one myself, but it's happened to a few streamers
lol
L167[17:52:00] <ThatOneGuy> that sounds
cool
L168[17:52:04] <ThatOneGuy> kinda
L170[17:52:13] <ThatOneGuy> and very
laggy
L172[17:52:25] <ThatOneGuy> WOAH
L173[17:52:50] <ThatOneGuy> WICKED
L177[17:54:21] <SporkWitch> those last
three were all taken from INSIDE the cloud
L178[17:54:49] <SporkWitch> now keep in
mind those were taken while paused; while in flight it's around
10-20FPS lower
L179[17:55:09] <ThatOneGuy> THAT is
crazy
L180[17:55:11] <SporkWitch> rather, i
should say, when at 1x time
L181[17:55:35] <SporkWitch> the pics or
the performance difference paused? It shouldn't be surprising, it
doesn't have to do any physics simulation when paused.
L182[17:55:42] <ThatOneGuy> I remember
playing Blocks on the wii, and now look we are at
L183[17:56:00] <ThatOneGuy> Just the
quality of the graphics
L184[17:56:05] <SporkWitch> yeah, it's
really pretty
L185[17:56:30] <ThatOneGuy> Just imagine
were games will be in another 20 years
L186[17:57:06] <SporkWitch> I think it's
in that second forum post i linked, but basically the reason for
the high reqs is they just sat down and were working on making
things pretty and kind of got ahead of the hardware a bit. There's
definite room for optimisations (especially with polygon count on
some stuff), but the game is legitimately pushing hardware, unlike
the console ports that make up 99% of major releases
L187[17:58:10] <SporkWitch> personally, i
think it's a good thing. You dno't get big hardware advances
without a need; cheaper and easier to make small improvements and
milk each generation. You need games that NEED better hardware to
create the demand for that better hardware, and you need better
hardware to allow games to push the limits again, and the cycle
continues.
L188[17:59:32] <SporkWitch> It's one of
the reasons that the rules about telecoms was that the same company
couldn't both run the infrastructure AND sell services over that
infrastructure, because they're natural monopolies and it
eliminates the incentive to lower prices or innovate. By separating
them, as it was after breaking up Ma Bell and before 1996, you have
services companies competing with each other over the same
L189[18:00:32] <SporkWitch>
infrastructure, trying to keep their prices low and features
improving, to get people to use theirs and not the other guy's.
When the infrastructure is ALSO competing in that space, instead of
lowering prices or competing on the merits, they just degrade their
competition's access and performance (see: Comcast throttling
netflix and trying to triple charge for the same bits over their
network)
L190[18:01:15] <ThatOneGuy> oh yeah, I
read about that
L191[18:02:05] <ThatOneGuy> oh crap I
gotta go.
L192[18:02:14] <SporkWitch> yeah,
Telecommunications Act of 1996. It ties into the "al gore
invented the internet" meme, as it was his baby. Basically
eliminated all the rules for telecoms, and authorized what would
normally be illegal price hikes on top of it
L193[18:02:30] <ThatOneGuy> Thanks man,
Talk to you tommorow (Hopefully)
L194[18:02:32] <SporkWitch> have a good
one o/
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L200[18:29:40] <FLHerne> darsie: is this
spacealpha thing connected to Ferion in any way? It feels
familiar
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L204[18:46:35] <darsie> FLHerne: idk
ferion.
L205[18:47:34] <FLHerne> it was a
multiplayer political/economic space colonisation web game about 15
years ago
L206[18:48:51] <FLHerne> seems to be dead
since about 2016
L208[18:52:17] <FLHerne> at first glance,
spacealpha.net seems like an almost exact clone gameplay-wise
L209[18:55:58] <FLHerne> yeah, this is
almost certainly a Ferion clone or closely inspired by it
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L222[23:15:39] <raptop> !mission
L223[23:15:39] <LunchBot> You open several
dozen of the 1000 boxes on this floor and assemble a very unusual
rocket, indeed. Why? For the glory of science of course!
L224[23:16:03] <raptop> That combination
worked far better than it should have
L225[23:18:56] <darsie> .
L226[23:47:13] <Azander> !mission
L227[23:47:14] <LunchBot> You prefix all
your nouns with the letter "K". You decide it's probably
something to do with quantum.
L228[23:48:53] <raptop> Kwantum
L229[23:55:11] <darsie> KaK or KNaK?
L230[23:59:36] <packbart> NAK - Not A
Kerbal