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L1[00:04:37] <darsie> Eve fuel station has landed on Gilly: http://0x0.st/oRgj.png
L2[00:08:34] <darsie> Ahh, I forgot radiators ...
L3[00:08:42] <darsie> I thought about that once ...
L4[00:15:24] <darsie> Calculating which radiators you need is so tedious ...
L5[00:16:47] <packbart> I just attach panels to each ISRU (actually, to a battery and then moved down)
L6[00:32:01] <packbart> Guest38518: the forum threads are a bit confusing. using taniwha's .mu plugin for Blender seems to be a way around
L7[00:33:16] <packbart> ( https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/206781-somewhere-to-put-any-knowledge-learned-about-using-the-mu-plugin/ )
L8[00:44:45] <packbart> well, tbh, I'd just bother linuxgurugamer during his modding stream on tuesdays ;) ( https://twitch.tv/linuxgurugamer )
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L29[08:00:15] <Althego> zombanwa
L30[08:08:41] <XXCoder> ;mission
L31[08:08:42] <LunchBot> You install the Turbopump of Vecna in your rocket engines. Icefire deletes your error-filled missions and outcomes.
L32[08:09:20] <XXCoder> not sure what "Turbopump of Vecna" is lol but probably why it corrupted missions
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L34[08:19:21] <SporkWitch> vecna is the thing to look up to figure out the reference (I don't recognize it either); turbopumps we all know in the context of liquid-fueled rocket engines
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L37[09:32:35] <packbart> I assumed the "Turbopump of Vecna" would be similar to the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch ;)
L38[09:35:53] <packbart> 8000 psi should be your pressure!
L39[09:39:21] <XXCoder> lol
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L44[10:19:42] <FLHerne> It's a D&D thing, replacing the mummified Hand or Eye of Vecna onto your body grants interesting powers
L45[10:20:25] <FLHerne> (but be warned; the Head of Vecna doesn't exist, and replacing your head with one claimed to be it will just kill you, obviously)
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L47[10:48:03] <Arduinix> hi
L48[10:51:28] <FLHerne> Arduinix: hi there
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L50[11:01:06] <Deddly> Have you guys seen the KSP 2 Beta pics?
L51[11:02:15] <FLHerne> recent ones?
L52[11:02:22] <FLHerne> if so no
L53[11:02:51] <Deddly> https://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/954850/ss_9f7d31044972b7c6a2ed7cb241dae8c5cbb2b3a2.1920x1080.jpg?t=1672873822
L54[11:03:04] <Deddly> https://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/954850/ss_9254ff2b95e192ed5d7259a59fd92e298aec350b.1920x1080.jpg?t=1672873822
L55[11:03:18] <Deddly> https://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/954850/ss_075746834e7c2a20a0046a4c6352720af1dd3f34.1920x1080.jpg?t=1672873822
L56[11:03:50] <Izaya> that's a cute lil lander
L57[11:04:02] <Deddly> https://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/954850/ss_24402a808b2f4ad9da9fb04dd5e41e526fb2f671.1920x1080.jpg?t=1672873822
L58[11:04:11] <Deddly> https://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/954850/ss_ab5145aa1755c4e349fc52c618a878985cdbe465.1920x1080.jpg?t=1672873822
L59[11:04:20] <Deddly> https://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/954850/ss_3bad623ae2a0e6b3c334088cc289e1343c8ccdc5.1920x1080.jpg?t=1672873822
L60[11:04:40] <Althego> this is how ksp1 should have lkooked lik
L61[11:04:58] <Deddly> So KSP 2 is officially in Beta now
L62[11:05:07] <Althego> not yet?
L63[11:05:15] <Deddly> Look at the pictures
L64[11:05:20] <Althego> maybe closed beta then
L65[11:05:22] <Deddly> "Beta"
L66[11:05:23] <Izaya> it looks ... fine? I'd say Parallax can do better
L67[11:06:14] <Deddly> For me, KSP has always been about gameplay>graphics. But some eye candy sure helps
L68[11:06:38] <umaxtu> its nice to have a game that doesn't turn my room into a sauna
L69[11:06:46] <Deddly> It would be interesting to see some side-by-side comparisons with Parallax, that's for sure.
L70[11:07:05] <FLHerne> yeah, I don't mind KSP 1 graohics except the terrain
L71[11:07:06] <Deddly> It would also be interesting to see what the difference is in performance
L72[11:07:58] <FLHerne> tbh the terrain in the couple of shots where it's visible is disappointing
L73[11:08:18] <FLHerne> doesn't look much better than recent KSP1 stock
L74[11:08:29] <Izaya> speaking of parallax, looks like it's gotten an update or two since I last looked
L75[11:08:33] <Izaya> time to see if shadows are fixed
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L77[11:09:30] <Deddly> I does installing Parallax on my laptop just for a laugh. The game loaded. that's about all I can say regarding my experience.
L78[11:09:37] <Deddly> does/tried
L79[11:10:23] <umaxtu> load times might be worse with paralax? not sure
L80[11:11:00] <Deddly> My machine is way below minimum spec for that mod. I wasn't expecting it to work.
L81[11:11:22] <Deddly> I'm not expecting it to work for KSP2, either. But it would be nice if it did.
L82[11:12:44] <Izaya> parallax without scatters is still a p big improvement and doesn't need anywhere near as much GPU power
L83[11:14:31] <Deddly> Ooh I just realised I'm soon due an upgrade.
L84[11:15:26] <Deddly> When I bought this machine, I purchased it with a view to keeping it for eight years.
L85[11:15:35] <Deddly> That was back in 2015
L86[11:15:49] <Althego> i thought of 5-6 in 2015
L87[11:15:53] <Althego> i am overdue
L88[11:16:03] <Althego> and amd announced the 3d vcache variants
L89[11:16:31] <Althego> sadly the 8 core variant sees a large drop in boost frequency
L90[11:17:20] <Deddly> The thing about hardware is that waiting longer almost always gets you a better deal.
L91[11:18:32] <Althego> also the video card horrors continue
L92[11:18:46] <Deddly> I have up to two and a half more years until Windows 10 is no longer supported, so that's my absolute cut-off date
L93[11:19:01] <Deddly> Can't install 11 on this one
L94[11:19:35] <Izaya> the shadows are not fixed, oh well
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L96[11:20:29] <Althego> windows 12 is 2024
L97[11:20:52] <Althego> 11 is better skipped
L98[11:20:56] <Deddly> Wait what?
L99[11:21:55] <Deddly> This is new to me
L100[11:22:44] <Deddly> OK so it's rumours
L101[11:22:45] <Izaya> What, did you think Windows 10 was going to be the last version or something?
L102[11:22:58] <Althego> not unreasonable to have constant updates
L103[11:23:10] <Althego> and actually they said that
L104[11:23:22] <Deddly> Izaya, Yeah I know, right? For some reason I had that in my head
L105[11:23:36] <Althego> instead they made a 11 which is a lot worse as people say
L106[11:23:56] <Izaya> How would they move all the toolbar items you use then sell you it again if 10 was to be the last?
L107[11:24:00] <Deddly> "Microsoft has denied the reports that it's working on Windows 12" Source: https://www.xda-developers.com/windows-12/
L108[11:25:06] <Deddly> Izaya, I am just dying to hand over hundreds of Euro for the privilege of working out how to make 11 look like 10.
L109[11:25:36] <Izaya> Don't forget the hundreds it'll take to legally get the software to do so
L110[11:26:11] <Deddly> I just can't wait.
L111[11:28:09] <Althego> kikkerikii
L112[11:28:41] <Izaya> bleh, the rocks still turn black when you light them up too
L113[11:29:54] <Izaya> guess I'll turn off engine lighting >.>
L114[11:34:12] <Deddly> Aaw
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L116[11:35:16] <Deddly> And this, gentlemen, is why official features are important to a lot of people, even if there are good mods out there that do the same thing.
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L118[11:50:28] <sandbox> still waiting for Windows 9 :p
L119[12:06:55] <Althego> but we already had 95!
L120[12:07:05] <darsie> And 2000
L121[12:07:33] <Althego> painful scuffed stream ended fast
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L123[12:58:14] <Deddly> Not to forget Windows Millennium Edition
L124[13:01:33] <Althego> parallel ghost and zombie attack...
L125[13:03:32] <Althego> but i already had a zombie today, i think i will go with the ghost
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L127[14:10:04] <darsie> I think I'll ditch my fancy servo legs and use cstruts. They were too 'active' while landed.
L128[14:19:08] <packbart> have you tried locking them when landed?
L129[14:19:39] <packbart> autostruts can pass through locked robotic joints
L130[14:23:43] <darsie> no
L131[14:24:24] <darsie> I could lock them after deployment.
L132[14:46:53] *** raptop changes topic to 'Kerbal Space Program official channel | versions: KSP1 1.12.4 | Rules: http://tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | KSP 2 Early Access Feb 24 https://tinyurl.com/ksp2earlyaccess | KSP1 free on Epic Store Jan 05 - Jan 12'
L133[14:48:15] <raptop> (technically not for another 75 minutes I think, but eh)
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L135[15:13:28] <Mat2ch> Uh, one question: With or without the linux version? :D
L136[15:13:39] <Mat2ch> Because Epic/Tim Sweeney hates Linux for some reason
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L138[15:21:35] <packbart> "Platform: Windows"
L139[15:21:53] <packbart> hm. or is that KSP 2...
L140[15:22:42] <packbart> it says "Coming soon" - https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/kerbal-space-program
L141[15:22:55] <packbart> I have a Steam account. I don't do Epic :)
L142[15:25:19] <raptop> yeah, it's going to be (barely) later today
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L144[16:16:33] <darsie> Expansions are 15 EUR.
L145[16:16:46] <darsie> each
L146[16:17:28] <darsie> Can they disable it once you got it?
L147[16:17:58] <raptop> dunno, I'd assume that you can do the Steam thing of copying the folder out
L148[16:21:35] <darsie> Finding a level spot on a mountain top on Gilly is hard.
L149[16:24:19] <sandbox> https://youtu.be/h42yAOm7vI4
L150[16:24:53] <sandbox> I remember that show
L151[16:25:40] <sandbox> my dad thought it was stupid
L152[16:26:26] <sandbox> Space Cadets | The Most Expensive Hoax in Television History (Channel 4)
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L158[17:07:25] <umaxtu> plz tell me that ksp2 isn't becoming an epic exclusive
L159[17:08:45] <Althego> i gope not
L160[17:08:50] <Althego> hope
L161[17:11:15] <raptop> aaaaaaa
L162[17:13:43] <Althego> i mean i dont want it to be epic exclusive because then i wouldnt buy it
L163[17:14:00] <Althego> based on the icons there weill be steam epic and direct download
L164[17:14:36] <Althego> fox mom is starting outer wilds
L165[17:20:36] <raptop> fox mom... the person who did fubuki's model?
L166[17:20:51] <Althego> no, nina kosaka from nijisanji
L167[17:21:04] <Althego> she promised ksp gameplay too
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L169[17:21:12] <raptop> ah
L170[17:21:13] <Althego> maybe in a few weeks
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L176[18:10:43] <raptop> Althego: huh, another fox that likes various fancy tofus (compare with 仙狐)
L177[18:10:49] <umaxtu> I have no idea who you are talking about
L178[18:11:10] <raptop> umaxtu: a vtuber and an anime character
L179[18:11:40] <Althego> hehe a different kind of fox mom
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L188[22:24:05] * darsie fills up the fuel station at Gilly.
L189[22:24:49] <darsie> 10,000x because at 100,000x the drills stop working.
L190[22:25:44] <darsie> https://0x0.st/oRGA.png
L191[22:27:42] * raptop blinks at the double negatives
L192[22:35:22] <darsie> Depletion rate is positive, refilling is negative.
L193[22:38:06] <raptop> hrm
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L199[23:08:03] <packbart> hm. still looks odd. I use the Alternate Resource Panel (because it can tell me how long until it's full or empty), so wouldn't notice
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L203[23:30:10] <darsie> Aerobraking at Eve is hard.
L204[23:31:23] <FLHerne> to enter orbit?
L205[23:31:37] <FLHerne> I don't remember having much trouble trying to land
L206[23:32:41] <darsie> To circularize.
L207[23:33:01] <darsie> My fuel station.
L208[23:33:23] <packbart> it's not hard, just hot ;)
L209[23:35:42] <FLHerne> ok yeah, that's a bit fiddly
L210[23:36:10] <FLHerne> one time I was trying to aerobrake into a Gilly intercept iirc, took umpteen quicksaves
L211[23:36:31] <FLHerne> from Kerbin transfer
L212[23:37:24] <darsie> See, now I forgot to extend the solar panels after stowing them and ran out of EC. That's the hard thing.
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