L3[00:44:29] <XXCoder> ;mission

L4[00:44:29] <LunchBot> You replace the Stayputnik Mk2 with a raspi. Your actions cause an XK-class [DATA EXPUNGED]

L5[00:44:49] <XXCoder> uhoh. fondation angry at me

L6[00:47:44] <raptop> Good news, you probably also destroyed the Foundation in the process, so they're no longer able to be mad at you

L8[01:29:43] <XXCoder> lol

L19[06:57:50] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK8Znd5u2EQ

L20[06:57:53] <Althego> this is how you do it

L21[06:59:59] <XXCoder> interesting video

L22[07:18:51] <raptop> Given the honk, does this mean that raptors are geese?

L23[07:52:16] <SporkWitch> birbs == dinos

L24[07:52:58] <SporkWitch> Actually, didn't they successfully modify a chicken embryo to produce one of its dinosaur ancestors?

L25[07:56:53] <XXCoder> chicken sometimes has teeth

L26[07:57:08] <XXCoder> they make sure to kill em because they dont need chickens with teeth

L27[07:57:50] <SporkWitch> definitely don't need teeth, because in the factory farms the pecking alone kills most...

L28[07:59:29] <SporkWitch> but more seriously, i saw one recently, not the old 201X one about the chicken with dino legs, but a recent one from the past couple months, about actually achieving some Jurassic Park level stuff of a chicken egg, modified, and what hatched actually was closest to a dinosaur

L29[07:59:51] <XXCoder> not surpised as chicken is nearest ascensor to t-rex

L30[08:00:19] <SporkWitch> not wrong, hence my only-half-snarky "birbs == dinos" comment lol

L31[08:00:25] <XXCoder> yeah

L32[08:03:11] <SporkWitch> two months and one week until KSP2!

L33[08:04:48] <Althego> dount count on it

L34[08:04:50] <Althego> dont

L35[08:06:19] <SporkWitch> i do, because they're being very honest about it. it will be like the original KSP early access release: just andbox, no science or progression, just the core systems for us to test

L36[08:32:41] <XXCoder> honestly I found sandbox to be most fun

L37[08:32:56] <NGC3982> it would be nice to have a complete game

L38[08:34:24] <SporkWitch> i just likie the extra constraints; constraints force more thinking and creativity. pure creative sandbox i get bored, because you just have everything, go have fun. science and career modes add restrictions, and that forces more thinking to achieve your goal within what you have access to

L39[08:34:34] <Althego> yes, sandbox is where the game's heart is

L40[08:35:01] <Althego> you can spend some time in other modes, but utlimtately the most time is spent in sandbo

L41[08:35:16] <Althego> and this time we dont even highlight sandbox

L42[08:46:10] <XXCoder> I played few of very early versions. was interesting

L43[08:46:29] <XXCoder> including one where you just stack parts on pad, no buildings

L44[08:46:50] <XXCoder> version where if you go far enough up, theres no gravity lol

L51[11:02:11] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maI09QHicTg

L52[11:02:27] <Althego> actually a spacex launch but somehow it is a nasa stream

L53[11:02:53] <Althego> only mission control audio from spacex

L54[11:05:13] <umaxtu> probably to avoid doxxing elon

L57[11:17:54] <Mat2ch> uh, wen launch?

L58[11:19:45] <Althego> about 27 minutes

L60[11:46:38] <Althego> 30 sec

L68[14:42:04] <ilikespace> how do I launch

L69[14:44:05] <Althego> throttle up and stage?

L83[18:53:21] <raptop> I guess we'll never know if they succeeded

L84[18:59:29] <umaxtu> apparently liquidfuel is going to be called methane I'm ksp2

L85[18:59:37] <umaxtu> *in

L86[18:59:59] <SporkWitch> that seems odd, considering LH₂ is still used most often...

L87[19:07:53] <umaxtu> their argument is that methane is a more middle of the road fuel

L88[19:09:12] <Althego> which i exactly why it wasnt used

L89[19:09:37] <SporkWitch> it's easier to make, that's why SpaceX is using it since the idea is refueling on mars, still just surprising to me. I think I'd like it more if they went all the way and had different types of fuels with difference performance characteristics and ISRU requirements. If they're not going to get detailed, I feel like it'd be better to leave it as the generic "liquid fuel" and "oxidizer"

L90[19:10:16] <Althego> if there are other fuels planned in the game, it would make sense

L91[19:10:28] <SporkWitch> yeah

L92[19:10:43] <SporkWitch> umaxtu: i'm curious on your source, i didn't notice any new videos from the official channel

L93[19:26:18] <umaxtu> the dev diary. https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/211060-developer-insights-17-engines-archetypes/

L94[19:29:17] <raptop> liquidfuel(tm) always felt closer to kerosene than anything else

L95[19:35:15] <raptop> There's a real chance that methane as a nice middle ground is going to feel amusingly dated by the end of the decade, but maybe not

L98[19:42:42] <SporkWitch> umaxtu: thanks! Sounds pretty great overall, and the naming conventions will be convenient. Sure, I know how to look at thrust and ISP to figure out what engine to use (and eventually just memorize which one i need for a given payload), but it'll be nice and convenient just having things labeled "booster," and presumably we'll be able to sort by those categories as well, so we can easily compare

L99[19:42:46] <SporkWitch> only ones of the type we need.

L100[19:43:16] <SporkWitch> It does sound like they're just doing a name change, though; at least with what's in that post, it doesn't sound like they admitting to any plans for a greater variety of fuel types :(

L107[21:15:03] <packbart> it does sound to me as if they do

L109[21:15:40] <packbart> "We’re adding more engines, more fuel types and more engine sizes. ... other fuel types as we reveal things through Early Access"

L110[21:15:52] <SporkWitch> i missed the fuel types line apparently lol

L113[22:00:33] <Mat2ch> and they kept the old menu to select parts. That's sad :|

L114[22:00:55] <SporkWitch> theyve shown the new part picker menu in some of the videos, it's much improved

L115[22:00:56] <Mat2ch> Avorion has a nice dialog for parts. You press Space and it pops up

L116[22:01:12] <Mat2ch> in the middle, where you are building stuff. So you don't have to move your eyes and mouse cursor.

L117[22:01:16] <Mat2ch> Much quicker building.

L118[22:01:18] <SporkWitch> also fewer parts in total, more use of procedural parts instead

L119[22:01:38] <Mat2ch> Maybe I should do a small thread somewhere

L121[22:55:42] <FLHerne> ;outcome add You go All Upper Case.

L122[22:55:43] <LunchBot> Added outcome: You go All Upper Case.