OCLogs: 2022-11-22.log

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L36[08:38:50] <darsie> ?

L37[08:39:10] <darsie> !

L38[08:39:11] <darsie> .

L39[08:40:13] <Althego> breaking new grounds?

L40[08:41:01] <darsie> KVIrc connected to espernet while I was typing a message and the last bit came here.

L41[08:54:30] <packbart> hm. I can't put together a tanker truck that looks like one and not just some structural plates welded together

L42[08:55:13] <packbart> time to steal some ideas :)

L43[08:55:47] <Althego> i am really unable to build acceptable looking cars in ksp. they are unrealistic and ugly every time

L44[08:58:19] <packbart> The Jeep is my only one that looks somehwat car-like. it's the angled structural plates that makes the difference ;) https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/kspjp.jpg

L45[08:59:31] <packbart> but now I need a truck that can transport Fuels (LH2, Oxidizer, LF, Xenon and Argon) from the fuel base on Minmus to the launch site

L46[08:59:45] <packbart> hm. I could use just one switchable tank

L47[09:00:19] <packbart> and it's "The Jeeb". d'Oh

L48[09:01:39] <Althego> hehe the jeeb

L49[09:02:01] <funkenstein> ;outcome add You are consumed by the Jeeb

L50[09:02:02] <LunchBot> Added outcome: You are consumed by the Jeeb

L51[09:17:20] <darsie> That's my refinery rover: http://0x0.st/olkv.png

L52[09:18:38] <Althego> yes, this is the stuff i make

L53[09:18:40] <Izaya> ayy that's cute

L54[09:19:04] <funkenstein> needs a lol commie flag

L55[09:19:10] <funkenstein> lil*

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L57[09:23:27] <darsie> Here it's filling a rocket for an ore mission, but I've used it to refill my big KEO gas station. http://0x0.st/olkY.png

L58[09:24:02] <funkenstein> ;mission add You discover The Kraken is having an affair with Hermaeus Mora.

L59[09:24:03] <LunchBot> Added mission: You discover The Kraken is having an affair with Hermaeus Mora.

L60[09:24:14] <Izaya> the docking mechanism is clever

L61[09:24:25] <Izaya> lotta range in height there

L62[09:24:32] <funkenstein> I can't see what's going on with the docking

L63[09:24:43] <darsie> Izaya: Yeah, hydraulic legs and a rotating arm for tiny rockets.

L64[09:25:08] <Izaya> the other picture has it on a servo motor, so it can be used for any height within the circle

L65[09:26:06] <Izaya> and fold up like the extra wheel on a trailer

L66[09:26:37] <packbart> hm. even jackinaboot's truck is a bit boxy. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1644682337?t=00h07m31s - I guess I'll just nail some wheels to the SSTU tank and put a probe core on it

L67[09:27:14] <packbart> then let BonVoyage drive it across the basin at 200km/h

L68[09:28:16] <Izaya> I have separate refineries and rovers https://shadowkat.net/tmp/ae5c.jpg

L69[09:30:08] <funkenstein> ;outcome add You are disentoweled. ( a disastrous punishment)

L70[09:30:08] <LunchBot> Added outcome: You are disentoweled. ( a disastrous punishment)

L71[09:30:25] <funkenstein> anything could happen when you don't know where your towel is

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L92[15:02:49] * darsie rescues Joe from LKO.

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L94[15:19:04] <Mat2ch> !mission

L95[15:19:04] <LunchBot> You start a large and very expensive campaign to reduce public fear of the word "nuclear". Physics kicks you out of its house, saying "Go do whatever you want, I don't care anymore, just leave me alone!"

L96[15:19:49] <Mat2ch> Looks like Physics fears the word "nuclear"

L97[15:20:03] <Mat2ch> probably because everything is falling apart

L98[15:25:42] <funkenstein> ;mission

L99[15:25:42] <LunchBot> You decide to glue a rocket on top of a whale. Probe doesn't give you lemons! Probe gives you Data!

L100[15:26:20] <Mat2ch> That has to be a Star Trek reference.

L101[15:26:48] <funkenstein> ;mission ass The Green Goblin gets up to some antics

L102[15:26:49] <LunchBot> No mission found matching "ass The Green Goblin gets up to some antics".

L103[15:26:53] <funkenstein> ADD

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L105[15:27:09] <funkenstein> also it wasn't, I put probe gives you data to go with

L106[15:27:14] <funkenstein> ;mission lemons

L107[15:27:14] <LunchBot> When life gives you lemons, you don't make lemonade! You make life take the lemons back. You GET MAD! You don't want life's damn lemons! What are you supposed to do with these?!

L108[15:27:47] <funkenstein> ;mission add The Green Goblin gets up to some antics.

L109[15:27:47] <LunchBot> Added mission: The Green Goblin gets up to some antics.

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L115[16:25:36] <darsie> Joe is a scientist.

L116[16:26:58] <darsie> Nathanael is a weird name.

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L119[16:52:10] <darsie> Kerbals should be able to lift more than 65 kg on Gilly.

L120[16:52:41] <darsie> Tylo might be tricky, then.

L121[16:56:19] <SporkWitch> kerbals should be able to lift more than 65kg on KERBIN lol. 65kg isn't that crazy, and US Marines were frequently carrying as much as 90kg worth of gear in Afghanistan

L122[16:57:19] <SporkWitch> if you're using MKS, there are parts you can have nearby that increase weight limit. I think stock also lets kerbals work together to lift heavier stuff

L123[16:58:04] <funkenstein> 65kg is a lot for a stubby green halfling

L124[16:58:10] <funkenstein> lol

L125[16:58:34] <SporkWitch> KSP2 dev effectively confirmed kerbals are Warhammer 40k orks, they can handle it

L126[16:58:48] <Althego> hehe

L127[16:58:49] <funkenstein> lmaoo

L128[16:59:07] <Althego> i had that idea today, independently

L129[16:59:07] <funkenstein> adorkable

L130[16:59:09] <SporkWitch> i forget which video it was in, but she said they're basically a fungus

L131[16:59:23] <SporkWitch> Althego: truly independently? Because I've definitely mentioned it here a few times heh

L132[16:59:41] <Althego> i remember the green fungus theory

L133[16:59:43] <funkenstein> Kerbal National Motto: Our Mycelium Know No Bounds

L134[16:59:54] <Althego> which aligns with orks

L135[17:00:05] <SporkWitch> they're green, hard to kill, and it explains why things work when they shouldn't: they simply BELIEVE it will work :P

L136[17:00:20] <Althego> but i dont remember anybody mentioning orks

L137[17:01:25] <Althego> the idea came to me because i played a warhammer game

L138[17:02:27] <SporkWitch> that new FPS is supposed to be available soon, right?

L139[17:04:12] <packbart> hm. I never used BonVoyage to let Kerbals walk to meet their rescue capsule

L140[17:04:23] <packbart> at 1.36m/s

L141[17:04:34] <SporkWitch> technically doable heh

L142[17:05:00] <packbart> actually, too. but I need to push the "rescan controller" button before it work

L143[17:05:28] <packbart> I always thought it was just a quirk to have the option in the EVA PAW because it didn't do anything

L144[17:05:30] <SporkWitch> kerbal's less likely to spontaneously disassemble when you load back in, too heh

L145[17:06:14] <Althego> they can spaghettify, die, or become uncontrollable

L146[17:14:15] <funkenstein> I drove a rover a third of the way around duna to meet the return vessel

L147[17:14:21] <funkenstein> I'm doing this wrong

L148[17:14:30] <Althego> why didnt you land closer?

L149[17:15:01] <funkenstein> I tried and kept crahsing, I aimedahead and all was well

L150[17:16:11] <funkenstein> also I'm not great at remembering how to line that up. I've eyeballed it on minmus, but that's minmus

L151[17:16:15] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK6uWFl4KkU

L152[17:16:41] <funkenstein> ;outcome add Two bounces, a roll, and all was still.

L153[17:16:42] <LunchBot> Added outcome: Two bounces, a roll, and all was still.

L154[17:20:33] <SporkWitch> minmus is definitely easy to do targeted landings since it's cheap enough to literally just kill all your horizontal velocity and then fall the 10km or so straight down heh

L155[17:20:51] <Mat2ch> !mission

L156[17:20:51] <LunchBot> Jetpack deorbit to Kerbin. Due to a clerical error, the kraken is resurrected while your kerbals stay dead.

L157[17:20:57] <Althego> but on duna you can fly out some of your error

L158[17:23:22] <SporkWitch> trajectories mod helps a lot, too. Plan a maneuver that gives you ~45° angle to the ground, slightly past your target, then it's just a matter of figuring out (or letting another mod tell you) when to start your burn. MJ's landing info is really good for this, and builds in a pretty decent margin; if you start your suicide burn right when it says to, full throttle, and leave it, you'll typically

L159[17:23:39] <SporkWitch> arrest your descent between 10-100m up, then can just do small puffs until you're down safely

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L161[17:37:40] <funkenstein> MJ likes to lithobrake

L162[17:37:46] <funkenstein> in my experience

L163[17:39:51] <SporkWitch> MJ is fine as long as your engines report their TWR and ISP correctly (e.g. some mod engines show correct values in KER, but not in the staging display, and MJ will not like these), and they throttle instantly (so it has some issues with KSPI nuclear engines, since they throttle up and down slowly, like jet engines). It also has to all be one stage; if the performance characteristics change

L164[17:40:15] <SporkWitch> it will not brake in time, since itwas assuming a higher TWR when it planned the path.

L165[17:40:46] <SporkWitch> That said, I have had it crash even when meeting all requirements, because it didn't think about the mountain its chosen path has in the way; it'll try to correct, but it never does in time.

L166[17:43:48] <packbart> yeah, it doesn't magically control every vessel perfectly but it can nail landings at a target

L167[17:44:39] <SporkWitch> yeah. It's also worth letting it do its thing to get the overall descent path, but then turn it off and just use its landing info window to do the final burn yourself

L168[17:46:20] <SporkWitch> MJ's a great starting point for most stuff, but not as efficient as you taking control and tweaking it yourself. I'll let it do launches if the vehicle is simple enough and has wide margins, sometimes i'll let it execute my maneuver nodes (depends on the engine and precision needed), and the docking autopilot just saves so much headache if you're a fair way out (though do NOT use it for simple

L169[17:46:41] <SporkWitch> apollo style flips, it wastes a ton of fuel since it wants to go to its backoff distance, THEN move into alignment, THEN move forward lol)

L170[17:47:10] <SporkWitch> end of the day, it just saves so much of the tedious repetitive stuff that you've already achieved yourself and lets you focus on the problem-solving

L171[17:47:22] <packbart> well, there are overrides for those... :>

L172[17:47:46] <packbart> it doesn't "see" any other vessel besides its own and the target, though

L173[17:50:28] <SporkWitch> well, as a matter of safe operating policy, probably shouldn't be having multiple vessels docking and undocking at the same time anyway; should only BE two vessels in the bubble

L174[18:46:52] <Mat2ch> https://store.steampowered.com/app/1583540/Meco_Rocket_Simulator/ interesting

L175[18:47:48] <Althego> heh no graphics just graphs

L176[18:48:07] <Althego> looks like an enginering tool, nota game

L177[18:48:32] <Althego> wait, it is a design tool

L178[19:09:25] <Mat2ch> !nela

L179[19:09:26] <Kerbot> Mat2ch => Falcon 9 - CRS2 SpX-26 (Dragon) - Tue Nov 22, 2022 20:54:00 UTC (L-02:18:17) - https://rocketlaunch.live/launch/crs2-spx-26 for info/stream

L180[19:09:48] <Mat2ch> shouldn't watch that and be asleep then... :|

L181[19:10:11] <Mat2ch> yeah, it's a design tool. Just like that one guy who created a tool to simulate engine noises

L182[19:11:39] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltY790_MdtM

L183[19:11:50] <Althego> spacex launch

L184[19:13:50] <FLHerne> ;outcome add In retrospect, that was probably a bad idea.

L185[19:13:50] <LunchBot> Added outcome: In retrospect, that was probably a bad idea.

L186[19:14:10] <funkenstein> ;outcome add Debatable.

L187[19:14:11] <LunchBot> Added outcome: Debatable.

L188[19:14:32] <FLHerne> 10% odds of launch weather

L189[19:14:49] <FLHerne> I'm surprised they're bothering with the countdown tbh

L190[19:15:23] <FLHerne> In the past they've scrubbed to wait for better weather at 30%

L191[19:24:29] <Mat2ch> !mission

L192[19:24:30] <LunchBot> You forgo struts in an effort to cut down on the cost of your vessel. You set a new record for minimizing Δv use.

L193[19:24:43] <funkenstein> success

L194[19:24:48] <Mat2ch> Yup!

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L197[20:31:08] <Althego> stream is on with actual stuff now

L198[20:52:05] <Althego> about 2 minutes

L199[20:52:21] <Althego> and no launch

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L202[21:09:03] <Althego> next possible launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCpfvj1eiLs

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