L5[01:00:41] <packbart> Steam updating KSP. a new patch?

L6[01:01:18] <packbart> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/210392-kerbal-space-program-1124-releasing-11-2-2022/

L7[01:01:25] <packbart> err

L8[01:01:42] <packbart> ah, yeah, it is the correct link

L9[01:04:05] <SporkWitch> saw that too; i just assumed it was my save syncing with cloud, since i didn't see patchnotes

L10[01:05:09] <packbart> mostly fixes to the tutorials (finally ;)

L11[01:05:52] <SporkWitch> tutorial fixes are nice for newbies that will probably take advantage of holiday sales to see if they want to get KSP2, but the addition of a launcher annoys me. That's one of the nice things about the Steam version: the extra launcher is disabled by default >_<

L12[01:06:34] <SporkWitch> as long as it automatically links to steam account, fine, it's tolerable, but if it's like rockstar where you have to actually make a separate account and sign in manually i'm gonna be pissed

L13[01:10:36] <packbart> like EVE, Elite, StarCash, etc... (ok, those are all online games)

L14[01:10:50] <packbart> I don't really see why KSP2 would need a special account

L15[01:11:16] <SporkWitch> annoys me with them too, but at least in the case of EVE it also has the defense of having released as a physical box first, and shortly after through their own website; availability on steam came YEARS later

L16[01:11:39] <SporkWitch> (I actually have an original physical copy of EVE)

L17[01:11:46] <ZLSA> https://i.imgflip.com/6zb6lk.jpg

L18[01:13:14] <SporkWitch> that's certainly possible. There are a small minority of people that will buy off steam if they get an extra launcher either way. The makers of DCS stopped providing CD keys with steam purchases for a similar reason, as there was no good reason NOT to buy on Steam, since you could get everything linked to steam but if you wanted to try that new work-in-progress airframe you could still add the

L19[01:13:20] <SporkWitch> key to their system and install the standalone launcher

L20[01:13:36] <SporkWitch> They still make things available on steam, but now ONLY once it's fully released.

L21[01:14:14] <SporkWitch> (and buying on their site doesn't give a key usable on Steam, either; they shared servers, but they basically killed the convenience of having it in Steam to favor their own store; can't fully blame them for wanting to eliminate Valve's cut)

L28[03:27:46] <Izaya> > Launcher ... will serve as a resource for News and updates about KSP

L29[03:27:57] <Izaya> like how there's no more updates to KSP and it will be entirely ads for KSP2?

L31[03:29:24] <SporkWitch> another reason it's annoying they're putting it on KSP1, heh. Besides, Steam has functionality to show patchnotes in the downloads list (link to click) and post when you click the game in your library, as well. If you don't have it on steam, you're using their launcher already. So yeah, it's really just annoying for steam users.

L35[04:35:52] <SporkWitch> Eutelsat HOTBIRD 13G Mission Control Audio just went live. Launch stream I think is expected withiin the next hour, can't remember from earlier, it got delayed a few hours. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcNt31pUU9Y

L37[04:46:18] <SporkWitch> Launch stream in 28 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McV40hM7aI8

L38[05:04:29] <packbart> eh, if it ain't Astra, I'm not watching

L39[05:06:57] <SporkWitch> stream starting now

L40[05:07:45] <SporkWitch> astra's the australian telecom, right?

L41[05:09:16] <packbart> I meant the TV satellites over Europe. it was a bad joke about how I don't watch links from Hotbirds

L42[05:09:28] <packbart> it might have been funnier in my head, tbh

L43[05:09:47] <packbart> ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_(satellite) )

L44[05:09:51] <SporkWitch> *shrugs* spacex pinged me and i was still awak

L45[05:09:54] <SporkWitch> *awake

L46[05:10:43] <SporkWitch> i just like watching what human ingenuity can do, and never get sick of seeing launches

L48[05:11:05] <SporkWitch> it IS a falcon 9 launch; T-11:20

L49[05:11:16] <packbart> aight

L50[05:20:08] <Althego> 2 minutes

L52[05:22:09] <packbart> gopher lonch

L53[05:22:39] <Althego> hehe

L70[10:17:59] <ILOVEPIE> https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/ykbqoo/what_the_hell_is_this_i_think_steam_made_me/

L71[10:18:37] <ILOVEPIE> This is the stupidest BS i've ever seen in over 10 years of playing KSP, If this crap is in KSP 2 I will not be buying the game. Period.

L72[10:19:40] <Mat2ch> well

L73[10:19:42] <ILOVEPIE> You can take your launcher and shove it where the sun don't shine

L75[10:19:57] <Mat2ch> since nobody of the developers is watching us here you better complain in the forum

L76[10:20:00] <Mat2ch> AAARGH

L77[10:20:37] <Eddi|zuHause2> good moring to you, too :p

L78[10:22:37] <Mat2ch> It's almost noon!

L79[10:24:11] <sandbox> a launcher that advertises KSP2...

L80[10:28:44] <Mat2ch> Because nobody who plays KSP watches news anymore or what?

L81[10:29:17] <Mat2ch> Sometimes I can't understand the train of thoughts some people have to come to such conclusions. Even if I try very hard, I just can't.

L82[10:29:47] <Mat2ch> Someone spent hours of their life to create this launcher that does not add anything to the game, to the experience or for the users

L84[10:30:46] <Eddi|zuHause> so, i actually skimmed this reddit thread... and i tend to be on the "if they add modding support to the launcher" camp...

L85[10:33:15] <Eddi|zuHause> also, i don't think i've even started the game in like 3 years

L86[10:34:54] <Althego> to be honest the launcher worked only for a brief time

L87[10:34:59] <Althego> so i always bypassed it

L88[10:41:30] <Mat2ch> The wont add modding support to the launcher. Otherwise they will have to take care of the mods.

L89[10:41:42] <Mat2ch> Right now it is free labor for them.

L90[10:43:24] <Eddi|zuHause> dunno, in my experience, good modding support makes for much better longevity of a game

L91[10:49:02] <packbart> well, the Community Launcher worked out well enough for XCOM 2...

L92[10:49:51] <Mat2ch> Didn't Take2 add a launcher to Borderlands2 and breaking the Linux port?

L93[10:50:00] <packbart> nah, I can't bring myself to fret over what dreadful things KSP 2 will bring. too soon

L94[10:50:08] <Mat2ch> hehe

L95[10:50:29] <Mat2ch> I expect a lot of pain.

L96[10:51:09] <packbart> I'm more optimistic

L98[10:51:45] <packbart> and probably still there won't be any fishies in the oceans!!

L100[10:52:01] <Althego> there us no wildelife at all

L101[10:52:05] <Althego> wild

L102[11:01:28] <darsie> What's a launcher? A program that enforces DRM and starts KSP?

L103[11:01:54] <darsie> Or a rocket launch platform?

L104[11:05:26] <Mat2ch> a launcher that is just annoying.

L105[11:05:33] <Mat2ch> and displays some advertisment for KSP2

L106[11:06:14] <Mat2ch> Other game developers make an update for their old games displaying an image, but no, Take2 needs a launcher.

L107[11:19:02] <umaxtu> they just want to make their games worse on steam deck

L108[11:21:59] <darsie> Stupid youtube video titles ... 8 Bear Encounters You Really Shouldn't Watch

L109[11:22:16] <Eddi|zuHause> it's launchers all the way down

L110[11:22:19] <Izaya> okay sweet I won't

L111[11:22:25] <darsie> wrong channel ...

L112[11:23:41] <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes when peope write "wrong channel" i wonder if there ever is a right channel for those sentences :p

L113[11:24:13] <umaxtu> is there a /r/wrongchannel ?

L114[11:27:19] <Mat2ch> not yet.

L115[11:27:23] <Mat2ch> You should start it.

L116[11:29:26] <umaxtu> don't have the time

L117[11:33:11] <Mat2ch> I feel you. I can only be here, because of a cold that keeps me from working on my projects :/

L118[11:38:43] <darsie> I don't have a job.

L123[12:51:24] <darsie> 13:37:41 <darsie> This bird is only sleeping.

L127[14:12:48] <Althego> what big rocket you have

L129[14:14:18] <Izaya> shower thought: if I hadn't heard about it, I probably wouldn't have ever noticed the launcher; I only play via CKAN and launching the game from the executable

L130[14:22:29] <Mat2ch> I start the game by calling the executable in a terminal...

L131[14:31:39] <umaxtu> hopefully ksp2 will also let you bypass the launcher

L132[14:36:22] <darsie> I wrote a .desktop file for the executable.

L133[14:36:59] <Althego> i just pinned it on the taskbar

L134[14:56:29] <Izaya> Mat2ch: I usually have a terminal with two tabs, one to run ./run.sh, which runs with mangohud, and another to tail -f /tmp/KSP.log

L135[15:06:16] <Althego> kikkerikii / mep

L136[15:24:23] <Mat2ch> Izaya: why the log?

L137[15:25:05] <Mat2ch> umaxtu: no, but have some lootboxes!

L138[15:29:41] <umaxtu> yay!

L139[15:39:45] <Izaya> Mat2ch: to differentiate between "this is a black loading screen" and "one of my mods is broken, the game is stuck"

L143[17:52:58] <Althego> so the 1.12.4 fix, will that fix the engine problem in the tutorials?

L144[17:53:31] <Althego> or maybe i can just try it

L145[17:56:55] <Althego> hehe i dont remember the password

L147[17:59:51] <raptop> Anyway, they *claim* that it's fixed

L148[18:00:13] <raptop> But remember how literal years seperated the patch notes on spinning up Kerbin from it actually being done?

L149[18:05:47] <umaxtu> which one are you using raptop?

L150[18:06:22] <raptop> mostly firefox >.>;;

L151[18:13:30] <darsie> What version is KSP2?

L153[18:16:13] <raptop> oh, the KSP version is "coming soon"

L154[18:16:35] <Althego> when it's done :)

L155[18:18:24] <raptop> er, KSP2 version

L156[18:20:48] <darsie> Will it be KSP 2.0?

L157[18:21:48] <raptop> It would be amusing if they started with version 2.0

L158[18:21:50] <Althego> no, probably KSP2 1.0 whwn released

L159[18:22:02] <Althego> still better than usb :)

L160[18:22:19] <darsie> More like KSP2 0.1.13 when released.

L161[18:23:19] <darsie> ok 0.7.15

L162[18:37:21] <darsie> The sound of rotating the Goo on the Go-ob ED Monitor comes after the rotation. Is the speed of sound that low at Gilly?

L163[18:39:04] <darsie> Miler Kerman jumped 321 m to collect scientific date from space around Gilly.

L164[18:46:19] <darsie> "Rescue Irsy Kerman, who is stranded in orbit of Gilly." If only I didn't have to bring her back to Kerbin ...

L165[18:46:48] <darsie> I could rescue her and fail the contract by not bringing her back.

L166[18:47:33] <darsie> in 21 years.

L167[18:52:52] <darsie> oops, I took of in the wrong direction ...

L168[18:53:27] <darsie> off

L169[19:07:13] <darsie> Irsy is in a mobile processing lab :).

L170[19:07:19] <darsie> upgrade :)

L171[19:08:34] <Althego> hehe, almost irys

L172[19:09:00] <Althego> and we have just started the no nephilim november :)

L173[19:09:21] <darsie> There's no update crew button.

L174[19:10:08] <raptop> sudo apt-get install crew -U

L175[19:10:14] <raptop> or something

L176[19:10:54] <darsie> http://0x0.st/ogpW.png

L177[19:11:14] <Althego> they are so happy

L178[19:11:16] <darsie> Does it require electricity? Or an antenna?

L179[19:11:20] <darsie> Yeah :)

L180[19:17:35] <darsie> A Lab with KerbNet access can "level up" any crew on the vessel.

L181[19:18:18] <darsie> Now if I had an engineer I could tinker something ...

L182[19:19:12] <darsie> "KerbNet requires a comms connection through to Kerbin and a scientist in the lab module." What?

L192[21:44:27] <raptop> !mission

L193[21:44:28] <LunchBot> You send Jeb to astronaut school to learn more about safety procedures. A pun tax is instituted.

L195[21:52:45] <darsie> .