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L20[04:32:16] <Izaya> How often will the
astronaut complex get new applicants? I need another scientist
>.>
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L32[09:11:11] <FLHerne> oof
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L35[09:16:57] <NGC3982> 4 kerbals in two
capsules connected
L36[09:17:00] <NGC3982> one has
parachutes
L37[09:17:10] <NGC3982> it's a tough
sacrifice but somebody has to do it
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L43[10:20:39] <Althego> all this to
minmus?
L44[10:20:48] <Althego> quite big
L45[10:21:01] <Izaya> It's a long trip,
might as well do as much in one go as I can
L46[10:21:46] <Izaya> Got a station
habitation module, an ISRU plant, two landers, and two crew
transport craft, one of which will be returning to Kerbin
orbit.
L47[10:23:41] <Izaya> Once the station is
delivered, they'll pay me to send up a science lab, and once a base
is established, they'll pay me to put a science module there
too.
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L55[13:04:26] <Mat2ch> W0000000t
L56[13:08:42] <FLHerne> ;outcome add For
you, failure is not only an option - it's, like, absolutely
mandatory.
L57[13:08:42] <LunchBot> Added outcome: For
you, failure is not only an option - it's, like, absolutely
mandatory.
L58[13:09:17] <Mat2ch> And information
about Linux in the video?
L59[13:09:27] <Mat2ch> Don't have time to
watch right now :(
L60[13:09:36] <SporkWitch> i'm still
watching, i posted it seconds after the notification hit my phone,
vid's onlyl been up a few minutes lol
L61[13:09:45] <FLHerne> description says
"The game will be available on PC only during Early
Access"
L62[13:09:56] <FLHerne> still watching it,
nothing about Linux yet
L63[13:10:11] <SporkWitch> PC doesn't
always mean just Windows, that's just something Microsoft pushes
for.
L64[13:10:26] <umaxtu> they might not do a
full linux version with proton being a thing now
L65[13:10:31] <SporkWitch> just noticed,
49.99 for early access price...
L66[13:10:34] <FLHerne> yeah, but there's
no way that isn't what they mean
L67[13:10:40] <SporkWitch> umaxtu: don't
get me started on that shit >_<
L68[13:11:33] <FLHerne> I hope they know
their audience better than that
L69[13:12:44] <packbart> the Steam page
still says "System Requirements Coming Soon". we'll see.
it's Unity, so a Linux version should be possible as before
L70[13:12:46] <SporkWitch> the whole
"we don't need to do native, we can just do proton" thing
is one of the main worries i had about the project, and that's
exactly what we're seeing happen, with games that even have native
versions no longer maintaining them, instead switching to doing the
bare minimum to make it run in proton
L71[13:13:12] <FLHerne> eh, in some cases
the native versions were pretty bad
L72[13:13:50] <SporkWitch> and we're never
going to get good ones if no one's even bothering anymore
L73[13:13:55] <FLHerne> especially the ones
that relied on winelib or some other platform emulation
internally
L74[13:14:10] <umaxtu> as long as they are
actively fixing issues that only occur when running under proton, I
don't really mind
L75[13:15:02] <SporkWitch> colonies and
interstellar systems at EA launch
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L80[13:22:28] <FLHerne> nothing about
Linux
L81[13:22:43] <FLHerne> SporkWitch: hm, I
interpreted that as precisely the opposite
L82[13:25:32] <SporkWitch> she's talking
about core systems and making sure they interact with everything,
and goes on to describe colonies and interstellar as that. I read
it to mean they view those techs as core, since you'll be using
them on the mun and outside of the Kerbolar System, so they want
that ready from the start to maximize integration and fine-tuning.
I can see how it could be read the other way as well, tho
L83[13:25:46] <SporkWitch> meaning "we
need the core working so we can have these use it"
L84[13:26:21] <SporkWitch> though the fact
they were showing in-game footage of those things makes me mean
towards my original reading of it
L86[13:29:13] <packbart> with an edited-in
"multiplayer?" after-though ;)
L87[13:29:14] <SporkWitch> i replayed it
myself before typing the above
L88[13:30:17] <SporkWitch> i just see a
colony in-game, and the phrasing is such that colonies could be
included with those "core systems". I suspect we'll at
least have the basics at launch, but if we don't, oh well.
L89[13:31:33] <umaxtu> is it worth watching
on my phone or should I wait until after work
L90[13:31:39] <packbart> eh, we'll see.
it's still a few months away and $50 isn't exactly
shutupandtakemymoney-money
L91[13:32:14] <packbart> umaxtu: probably
not much you haven't seen yet except for some glimpses of pre-alpha
UI maybe
L92[13:32:51] <umaxtu> ok. the price
doesn't bother me too much, considering how many hours I put into
the original
L93[13:33:14] <packbart> true
L94[13:41:19] <packbart> "Much of
what's in place on day one for KSP2 is that technology beneath the
surface - it's there to support those new features coming down the
road like multiplayer, interstellar, colonies."
L95[13:41:33] <packbart> well, anyway,
enough speculation for now :)
L96[13:45:47] <SporkWitch> the price is
only noteworthy because they ARE calling it early access, so
anything over 30 is generally seen as greedy. 50+ is a full release
price.
L97[13:46:03] <SporkWitch> (which might be
another part of why i'm thinking we'll have at least the core
colony mechanics at start)
L98[13:46:49] <packbart> at least a full
set of base parts by Nertea
L99[13:48:06] <SporkWitch> so nice to have
my computer running at normal temps again. rest of the parts
finally got here yesterday, and not a moment too soon, because the
leak went from very slow and manageable by swapping out a
papertowel once a week, to actively and audibly dripping onto the
floor of the case. was up until 3am rebuilding the entire cooling
system >_<
L100[13:48:48] <SporkWitch> extra
annoying, the new pump's mounts aren't compatible with the case's
pump mounts, and i don't have any drill bits. Was forced to install
it hidden in the back of the case on one of the fan mounts
>_<
L101[13:49:14] <SporkWitch> especially
after adding the water block to the GPU, the case looks REALLY
empty now
L102[14:03:10] <Izaya> the real question
is
L103[14:03:25] <Izaya> will KSP2 fix the
memory leaks?
L104[14:04:23] <umaxtu> that's why it
costs so much, they send you extra RAM
L105[14:04:33] <SporkWitch> hehe
L106[14:05:24] <Izaya> Okay sweet problem
solved, more than worth the price
L107[14:09:08] <umaxtu> it's still a Unity
game right?
L108[14:12:00] <raptop> yes
L109[14:17:10] <umaxtu> that's a good sign
of a linux version. I think
L110[14:18:24] <Izaya> v-vulkan? :D
L111[14:18:46] <umaxtu> it better
L112[14:22:08] *
raptop hands Izaya a rotary cannon instead of a graphics
API
L113[14:22:40] <SnoopJ> early access date
👀
L114[14:35:26] <Mat2ch> Yeah, having Linux
support probably did a good push for KSP, too. Since all the nerds
went to get it and then didn't stop talking about it anymore
;)
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L118[15:03:02] <Mat2ch> and the question
about Linux says: "These versions are part of our extended
roadmap. We’ll share more information at a later date. "
L119[15:03:07] <Mat2ch> Which means:
Sorry, never.
L120[15:04:04] <umaxtu> probably.
lame
L121[15:18:34] <raptop> yay, procedural
parts to keep number of different ones down
L122[15:19:58] <raptop> Also it looks like
a pro-instrumentation PoV, so a lot of bad aspects of KSP1 won't
exist
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L124[16:01:16] <darsie> I have a PC with
Linux.
L125[16:01:47] <SporkWitch> i'm mildly
annoyed that staging moved to the right hand side heh
L126[16:01:48] <darsie> Can I get a refund
if the PC version doesn't run on my PC?
L127[16:02:08] <SporkWitch> darsie: steam
has the 2 hours / 2 weeks refund policy on all games, and it's not
a hard limit
L128[16:02:18] <darsie> k
L129[16:02:28] <darsie> I still wish they
wouldn't call Windows PC.
L130[16:02:47] <darsie> Well, I guess it
won't run on a Windows washing machine.
L131[16:03:06] <SporkWitch> don't
disagree, but you can thank the billions microsoft has spent on
propaganda (much of it overtly anti-FOSS and anti-linux) over the
decades
L132[16:03:35] <darsie> Thank you,
Bill(ions).
L133[16:04:01] <SporkWitch> hell, with how
popular military / FPS games have been the last 20 years, they
still constantly say "clip" when they mean magazine. They
can't even get that much right.
L134[16:04:24] <darsie> I thought you can
clip them on your belt.
L135[16:06:01] <SporkWitch> a clip is used
to keep cartridges together to easily load a magazine; a magazine
actually stores cartridges for use. Weapons can either have
internal or detachable magazines, though some extremely
unconstitutional laws in some criminal states, like NY and CA,
require modification so that you can't actually remove the
detachable magazine wihtout use of a tool
L136[16:07:12] <SporkWitch> so your
stereotypical pump shotgun, for example, has an internal tubular
magazine, that you load rounds into one by one, and they're fed
into the firing chamber when you pump the action. The AR-15
platform features a detachable external magazine, which is what
most people are used to, and mistakenly refer to as a
"clip"
L137[16:09:36] <Mat2ch> The M1 Garand has
a clip...
L138[16:09:53] <SporkWitch> the garand has
an internal magazine, which is loaded with a clip
L139[16:10:16] <SporkWitch> it just
happens that the design of that clip stays inside until you've
fired all your rounds, and then gives you that iconic
"ping" when it's ejected automatically
L140[16:11:01] <Mat2ch> Time to watch that
video finally
L141[16:11:13] <SporkWitch> the clip isn't
actually required, either. When I was doing honor guard, we
manually loaded the rounds in; you don't want that ping going off
and disrupting the ceremony
L142[16:12:51] <darsie> Is coffee a
recreational drug?
L143[16:13:00] <SporkWitch> technically
speaking, yes
L144[16:13:19] <darsie> 2.2 Forbidden
content Content unsuitable for children or younger audiences, e.g.
nudity, sexually suggestive or explicit images, excessive violence,
gore and recreational drugs;
L145[16:13:30] <darsie> I wonder what's in
Gene's cup.
L146[16:13:47] <darsie> Peppermint tea, I
geuss.
L147[16:14:43] <darsie> Content with no
proof of concept or factual basis (e.g. "free energy"
machines), conspiratorial and lacking evidence (e.g. flat Earth,
Moon hoax), denial of historic events (e.g. Holocaust);
L148[16:14:52] <darsie> Does that inclued
Kraken drives?
L149[16:14:58] <packbart> it's an
administrative cup. it needs no content
L150[16:15:21] <darsie> Or what are the
double port drives called?
L151[16:15:36] <packbart> Kraken drives
have a factual basis in the game world
L152[16:15:41] <darsie> ok
L153[16:15:43] <SporkWitch> you mean the
docking port drives? those are a category of kraken drive,
yes
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L155[16:21:58] <Mat2ch> Some of that
pre-alpha footage has very low fps...
L156[16:22:01] <Mat2ch> I fear for the
worst
L157[16:22:45] <SporkWitch> without
knowing specs, no reason to speculate. i've known some devs to go
all out on crazy rigs, while others go cheap to keep costs down and
focus on dev
L158[16:23:31] <SporkWitch> as long as
they no longer do the one-thread-per-vessel thing anymore, i'm not
too worried, but my rig is ridiculously overbuilt heh
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L160[16:24:07] <Mat2ch> But they have one
of my favorite built in there: A huge pusher stage with space
planes docked to it :D
L161[16:32:46] <SporkWitch> so apparently
they posted a preliminary roadmap on the steam store page, and it
does look like science, tech trees will be first post-launch
addition, followed by colonies, then interstellar
L162[16:36:45] <darsie> Can you please say
Windows when you mean Windows? I have a PC running Linux and saying
"The game will be available on PC only during Early
Access," is confusing when you later say "Will Mac or
Linux versions come out in Early Access? These versions are part of
our extended roadmap. We’ll share more information at a later
date." If you need to distinguish PC/Windows from washing
machine/Windows for legal reasons, by all means,
L163[16:36:45] <darsie> say
PC/Windows.
L165[16:36:45] <darsie> Heartbroken,
darsie
L166[16:37:37] <packbart> you don't say
GNU/Linux, either ;)
L167[16:37:46] <darsie> mhm
L168[16:38:33] <SporkWitch> off the top of
my head I can't think of any non-GNU linuxes. It's also a matter of
principle because of how culty Stallman is about it
L169[16:38:55] <FLHerne> Android is the
obvious one
L170[16:39:22] <darsie> I also don't say
GNU GNU GNU is not Unix.
L171[16:39:25] <SporkWitch> i suppose i
should specify "workstation linuxes"; sure, plenty of
purpose-built stuff around
L172[16:39:29] <FLHerne> also ChromeOS,
embedded devices based on busybox or some other tiny C
L173[16:40:03] <darsie> hmm
L174[16:40:21] <packbart> it's also not
specific to "PC" aka x86(_64)
L175[16:40:27] <SporkWitch> worth pointing
out as well, that while those are linuxes, no one calls them linux,
they call them Android and ChromeOS. Much like we call MacOS MacOS,
even though it is a Unix
L176[16:40:35] <darsie> Or is it more like
GNU is not Unix is not Unix is not Unix is not Unix?
L177[16:40:41] <FLHerne> there are some
efforts to build a non-glibc based general-purpose userland
L178[16:40:46] <FLHerne> see Alpine
etc
L179[16:41:46] <SporkWitch> it's almost
like terms are used to convey information, and we leave off the
redundancies and irrelevancies :P
L180[16:49:50] <darsie> What platforms is
KSP available on?
L181[16:50:13] <darsie> consoles?
L182[16:50:39] <SnoopJ> nothing like game
news to bring on an argument about platforms
L183[16:50:40] <packbart> yeah, but it's
quite different from the PC version
L184[16:50:42] <raptop> KSP 1: windows,
linux, osx, scuffed edition on some versions of playstations and
xboxen
L185[16:51:38] <raptop> Also, uh, you can
totally install the linux versions of making history/breaking
ground on windows and they work fine. The difference is AFAIK
entirely in the distribution (zip plus sh vs a self-extracting
exe)
L186[16:54:21] <packbart> graphics shaders
can be OS-specific, as I recall
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L189[18:12:04] <ksp_lover> Hey I have a
question about a discrepancy will ksp 2 console be out after the
early access on the roadmap or will ksp 2 console be out after
multiplayer
L190[18:12:15] <ksp_lover> update
L191[18:13:17] <raptop> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L192[18:13:30] <raptop> Or more seriously,
we don't know
L193[18:14:31] <ksp_lover> I really hope
we don't have to wait for the finished product like multiplayer for
it to be on conosle
L194[18:14:35] <ksp_lover> console*
L195[18:15:34] <ksp_lover> would rather
have the early access with a update yearly than wait years for it
to come out on console
L196[18:15:49] <raptop> Anyway, let's see
what the performance is like
L197[18:16:13] <ksp_lover> true hopefully
it doesn't melt cpu's
L198[18:16:23] *
raptop will be happy if it runs on my at that point 7 (...!?) year
old laptop
L199[18:16:42] <raptop> more
realistically, I'm going to have to break down and put together a
proper wintendo desktop at some point
L200[18:17:00] <ksp_lover> yeah honestly
hard to tell looks beautiful but also the textures don't seem to
intense
L201[18:17:47] <raptop> There's a
hilarious possibility that my CPU/RAM aren't a bottleneck, but my
GPU is
L202[18:17:56] <ksp_lover> exactly
L203[18:18:15] <ksp_lover> I am happy just
to have a date
L204[18:18:27] <ksp_lover> not in limbo
anymore
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L219[21:59:19] <SporkWitch> (note that
from what matt mentioned in hte earlier video, some of this footage
is from months or even a year or more ago, so what we get next
spring may be much improved over it)
L220[22:05:20] <Izaya> SporkWitch: Alpine
and postmarketOS are non-GNU Linux distributions, and they're
relatively popular in their niche
L221[22:06:35] <Izaya> I imagine one could
do a musl gentoo as well, if they like pain.
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