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L13[01:10:31] <SporkWitch> dude, raptop,
you need a bouncer lol
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L15[01:11:12] <SporkWitch> i will host and
set one up for you, just to stop all the part/join messages lol
(you can have root on it, so no worries about me taking you over
lol)
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L26[01:42:21] <UmbralRaptop> SporkWitch:
given how this OS happening, I suspect that I also need a new
phone
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L28[01:42:42] <raptop> *is
L29[01:42:51] <raptop> autocarrot strikes
again, or something
L30[01:43:09] <SporkWitch> yes, but using a
bouncer hosted on a STABLE machine would stop the part/join spam in
the channel :P
L31[01:44:49] <SporkWitch> no joke, 90% of
the traffic in this channel over the past 24 hours was your phone's
join/part messages lol
L32[01:46:00] <raptop> oof
L34[01:47:56] <SporkWitch> you know i don't
ping outside of a direct response lightly, with all that, i had to
mention your need of a bouncer lol
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L38[02:05:26] <SporkWitch> grrr, they're
late
L39[02:05:48] <SporkWitch> and i hear a
helicopter so someone must have been shot nearby again; it must be
a day ending in Y
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L41[02:31:40] <SporkWitch> elon's just
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L56[06:54:56] <funkenstein> ;outcome add
Musk teases you with the big rocket.
L57[06:54:56] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
Musk teases you with the big rocket.
L58[06:56:30] <funkenstein> with an rtx2070
and a ryzen 7 3800x do you think the PC could handle parallax
2.0
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L60[07:04:05] <packbart> yes
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L62[07:27:06] <Izaya> if a 6700k and RX580
can handle parallax of some description then surely
L63[08:25:24] <Mat2ch> SporkWitch: that is
possible. But I was on vacation a few days and not really
here
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L68[09:53:07] <FLHerne> ;mission add You
invent a time machine powered by consuming alternate universes that
"probably don't want to exist so much."
L69[09:53:07] <LunchBot> Added mission: You
invent a time machine powered by consuming alternate universes that
"probably don't want to exist so much."
L70[09:53:32] <Izaya> something something
Time Plane Destruction Device
L71[09:54:15] <FLHerne> this one's actually
from Narbonic
L72[10:09:35] <funkenstein> ;MISSION
L73[10:09:40] <funkenstein> ;mission
L74[10:09:41] <LunchBot> You accelerate
John Cena to 0.999c. Let the die be cast!
L75[10:09:56] <funkenstein> o-kayy
L76[10:12:08] <packbart> Dres didn't stand
a chance against a lightspeed Cena
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L91[15:05:45] <Althego> kikkerikii
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L97[15:35:51] <Izaya> Been running a
heavily modded game forever and besides the fact it uses
near-infinite memory and some mods that abuse DX11 won't work it's
been fine running natively
L98[15:35:59] <Althego> since it is c# it
should be most ly the same everywhere
L99[15:36:16] <SporkWitch> on my system, at
least, i've not noticed any difference in performance between
native linux and Windows heavily modded, EXCEPT that certain mods
have issues in linux generally (such as linuxgurugamer's docking
camera mod)
L100[15:37:10] <Izaya> as far as I can
tell the only thing that would make a significant difference to
gameplay is that Parallax can't do scattering without DX11
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L102[15:39:18] <packbart> yeah, I saw GL
released limited OpenGL support for Parallax but the shadows are
all wrong
L103[15:40:06] <Althego> but isnt the
future vulkan or what is its name
L104[15:40:09] <Mat2ch> We need a vulkan
renderer for KSP.
L105[15:40:27] <Mat2ch> Althego: Not if
Microsoft can fight it.
L106[15:40:32] <Althego> supposedly games
with culkan work really well on linux
L107[15:40:53] <Izaya> I like the way that
Microsoft's answer to Vulkan is literally just Mantle with the
serial number filed off
L108[15:41:12] <Izaya> You're a decade
behind guys, keep up.
L109[15:42:03] <SporkWitch> sounds about
standard for MSFT. Embrace, extend, extinguish
L110[15:42:34] <Izaya> The upside is that
DX12 is trivial* to conver to Vulkan because again, it's just the
predecessor to Vulkan
L111[15:42:51] <Althego> now compare t hat
to the innovative apple. now they have always on display. never
mind my s7 had that 6 years ago and it peobably wasnt even the
first one
L112[15:43:35] <Mat2ch> What is always on
display?
L113[15:43:48] <Althego> when the phone is
sleeping there is something on the siplay
L114[15:44:00] <Althego> because on oled a
few pixels take almost no power
L115[15:44:02] <SporkWitch> android's had
that for ages
L116[15:44:06] <Mat2ch> I'm lagging behind
in my knowledge about the smartphone market, because it is a pit of
doom and should be purged in a vulcano.
L117[15:44:26] <Althego> aple would sell
peole the wheel and call it innovative, and its name would be
iroll
L118[15:44:36] <Mat2ch> Oh, mein N9 had
that 10 years ago.
L119[15:44:42] <Mat2ch> *my
L120[15:44:48] <Althego> so baout a decade
lag there too
L122[15:45:37] <Mat2ch> It was a great
feature. I just used the clock though. But very handy
L123[15:46:15] <Mat2ch> SporkWitch: don't
make fun of the keyboard. There could be a much easier and more
efficient way to input stuff into a computer and we just have
missed it
L124[15:46:47] <Althego> i am waiting for
the brain computer interface
L125[15:47:06] <Mat2ch> That would be
really neat, but would result in even worse spelling on my behalf.
:D
L126[15:47:12] <Althego> hehe
L127[15:47:52] <SporkWitch> Mat2ch: sure,
for example the Compose Key, which MacOS doesn't support, instead
expecting you to HOLD A KEY and then select from a list of
different versions of that character. As opposed to compose key
where you just press one key and then press a sequence of
characters to "draw" the symbol, e.g. compose → E → = for
€
L128[15:48:18] <SporkWitch> that video i
linked is making fun of that mindset of using LESS efficient
methods in the name of usability and simplicity
L129[15:48:41] <Izaya> personally I'm
mildly surprised there aren't more phone cases with a chorded
keyboard built in
L130[15:48:50] <Izaya> (as in, I haven't
seen any, and that's mildly surprising)
L131[15:49:06] <SporkWitch> (that one's
actually really annoying me right now; at least on windows there's
WinCompose to provide compose key functionality, but Mac is the
only *nix i've ever encountered that doesn't support it
natively
L132[15:49:58] <Izaya> wonder how compose
works on wayland, IIRC it's largely implemented as part of the X
server on current systems
L133[15:50:30] <SporkWitch> couldn't say;
i've never encountered a stable implementation of weyland, at least
with nvidia proprietary drivers.
L134[15:50:48] <Althego> but ubuntu now
uses that by default
L135[15:50:50] <SporkWitch> (and if you
want decent graphics performance on linux, you use an nvidia GPU
with proprietary drivers)
L136[15:51:03] * X
serves Izaga a v
L137[15:51:04] <Althego> unless you
upgraded then it keeps the previous setting and that is probably
x
L138[15:51:07] <X> Beverage
L139[15:51:12] <SporkWitch> i use kubuntu,
not ubuntu, for workstations, and i've not used the 22.04 release
yet
L140[15:51:18] <Izaya> nah, AMD stuff is
pretty great
L141[15:51:31] <Izaya> I gather their top
end cards aren't quite as good but at the $200 range the RX580 is
great :3
L142[15:51:36] <packbart> I use Mint and I
don't want to give up my rotating desktop cube by compiz
L143[15:51:40] <Izaya> X: thank you for
the cofe
L144[15:51:42] *
Mat2ch pets his AMD gpu.
L145[15:51:42] <SporkWitch> AMD's linux
drivers are so bad it makes their windows drivers look good
L146[15:51:50] <Mat2ch> Don't listen to
SporkWitch. You are doing fine
L147[15:51:59] <Izaya> Been living under a
rock for a few years, eh?
L148[15:52:11] <Izaya> amdgpu happened,
they're in the kernel, they're great
L149[15:52:24] <Althego> i encountered
problems with nvidia linux drivers, and those were supsoedly good.
wdidnt loko like that to me
L150[15:52:46] <Izaya> Hell, I swapped
from a 980 to a 580 so I could never have to deal with NVIDIA
drivers again
L151[15:52:54] <Izaya> even though the 580
isn't any faster, it just has more VRAM
L152[15:53:10] <SporkWitch> no, just not
silly enough to waste money on their GPUs after the last one caused
full system crashes with half the games I was playing at the time
and it was a known issue with their stuff. I use their CPUs
exclusively, though; they're monsters, and even when they were
behind intel on top performance, they were still far better
price-to-performance ratios.
L153[15:53:45] *
Izaya shrugs
L154[15:57:22] <Mat2ch> I hope to be able
to upgrade to an AM5 cpu next year and maybe get one of those fancy
AMD GPUs with even more pooooower
L155[15:57:47] <Althego> unlimited
power!
L156[15:57:53] <Mat2ch> and I'm thinking
about trying a closed-loop liquid cooling system for the CPU
L157[15:58:03] <Mat2ch> Unlimited Power
3000!
L158[15:58:08] <Althego> the gpu is the
one that is a space heater
L159[15:58:14] <SporkWitch> I'm expecting
this Ryzen 9 to last me a good decade or so, should just need
intermittent GPU upgrades, if even that after getting the RTX3080
(given how long the GTX1060 has lasted)
L160[15:58:19] <Althego> and you can now
have both liquid cooled
L161[15:58:28] <SporkWitch> RAM is alread
maxed at 4 sticks of 32GB
L162[15:58:28] <Althego> many cases are
prepared for that
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L164[15:58:47] <Izaya> tfw maxed at
32GB
L165[15:58:47] <Althego> i think consumer
am5 voards go up to 128 GB
L166[15:59:13] <Izaya> a friend offered me
the RAM they were replacing and I ended up refusing because I don't
have a DDR4 machine to put it in
L167[15:59:21] <Mat2ch> Althego: I want an
integrated one. I don't wont to have to plan my own full liquid
cooled system.
L168[15:59:25] <Althego> i am considering
waiting for the vache variants, after 7 years about 4 months more
does not matter
L169[15:59:50] <Mat2ch> When I'm playing a
game, the game itself is usually so loud the noise from the GPU
doesn't matter.
L170[16:00:00] <Mat2ch> And when I'm not
the fans on it are usually off...
L171[16:00:01] <Althego> hehe
L172[16:00:49] <Mat2ch> Well, we will see
what KSP2 will need in hardware. And I might plan around that
;)
L173[16:02:05] <SporkWitch> probably; this
x570 does. It's why i just maxed it out; i'd originally just bought
2x32GB sticks knowing it was overkill for normal use and should be
plenty for VMs, then noticed the max was 128 anyway, so just bought
another pair of the same so it's all identical and just not worry
about it later
L174[16:02:09] <Izaya> I wonder how well
the budget ryzens would suit my needs, I don't need a particularly
wide CPU, though one would be nice, what I need is single-core
performance for KSP and RimWorld
L175[16:03:18] <SporkWitch> Izaya: doubt
it would qualify as budget, but i can let you know whether i'm CPU
bottlenecked once i get the new GPU. I'm HOPING to have enough left
after bills on this first paycheck to buy one, so maybe this
weekend.
L176[16:03:26] <SporkWitch> Ryzen 9
3950x
L177[16:03:28] * X
mentions Team Blue to see how many people yell at him
L178[16:03:50] <SporkWitch> looks like
they're only 560 on newegg at the moment
L179[16:04:02] <SporkWitch> 200 less than
i paid in 2020
L180[16:04:08] <Izaya> that's more than I
paid for this whole machine >.>
L181[16:04:37] <Izaya> X: I hear Intel's
latest stuff is competitive if you're looking at i3s or cheap
i5s
L182[16:04:39] <SporkWitch> yeah, but the
cheaper models have similar single-core performance, i'm pretty
sure.
L183[16:04:46] <Izaya> but I don't
actually keep up with this stuff any more
L184[16:05:04] <Althego> i guess they sell
the low and at a loss and then at least they can say we are better
there
L185[16:05:15] <Althego> but it is true
amd doesnt cater for the low end
L186[16:05:21] <Izaya> SporkWitch: yeah
that's sorta what I'm thinking, the big expensive ones are very
impressive but if I can run one with half as many cores at the same
clock speed or higher it'll do better for my usecases
L187[16:05:56] <SporkWitch> usually
"low end" is actually defects. It helps keep costs down
and improve yields. A few parts didn't come out right, so they just
turn off a logical group aroudn the defective section, sell it as a
lower model for less.
L188[16:06:28] <Izaya> yup
L189[16:06:58] <SporkWitch> Izaya: yup.
can bet i'll be either celebrating or crying if upgrading the GPU
significantly improves my frames in KSP. If it does, then we can
reasoanbly assume that you'll be fine; if it doesn't, then i'm
bottlenecked by single-thread performance
L190[16:07:19] <Izaya> haha
L191[16:07:41] <Izaya> I always have the
third option of pushing this 6700k as far as it'll go; if I can
cool it I bet it'll do 4.6Ghz
L192[16:08:16] <SporkWitch> i'm REALLY
hoping it's just the GTX1060 having trouble with really complex
ships and all the graphics mods i have. I average 15-25 with
mid-size and smaller ships in orbit, but my station drops me to 6.
It has a lot of emissive lights, which is probably part of
it.
L193[16:09:12] <SporkWitch> i could do
that too, if it turns out to be CPU performance. I'm water cooled
and sit around 60°, even with the bubble that just does NOT want to
get out of my loop, but I haven't overclocked, since performance is
fine and it'll extend life
L194[16:10:12] <SporkWitch> only
overclocking i've done is the stock overclock on the ASUS ROG Strix
GPU, and the default profile for the RAM (forget what it's called,
but you know the one if you know how to overclock; default
behaviour is lower than the rated settings on RAM, you enable that
mode in BIOS to get it to use the rated settings)
L195[16:13:20] <Althego> hehe almost
exactly my config a 6700k with a gtx 1070
L196[16:14:47] <Guest33519> can someone
point me to specific information on the 'difference' between the
ModuleManager (sarbian) and the ModuleManager /L (lisias)(a fork of
MM(sarbian))?
L197[16:15:05] <Guest33519> I ask because
on the github entry of the older mod I have
(zer0Kerbal/FieldTrainingLab) has, on it's github, both MM's
listed.
L198[16:15:22] <Guest33519> Browsing the
lisias fork of MM shows a TON of commits ahead, but I can find no
reference to MM/L when searching the KSP Forum.
L199[16:15:46] <Guest33519> Additionally,
the forum entry for zer0Kerbal/FieldTrainingLab does not list the
MM/L where the github entry does.
L200[16:15:58] <Guest33519> I 'think' the
lisias fork is an attempt to make older mods forward compatible
with newer/newest KSP, but need clarification.
L201[16:16:09] <Guest33519> The 'docs' for
the MM/L are just clones of the MM(sarbian); no 'new' info
there.
L202[16:26:33] <packbart> I use
"original" ModuleManager
L203[16:26:52] <packbart> Lisias added
some features that sarbian doesn't want in MM, as far as I read
it
L204[16:27:26] <packbart> you'd probably
not need it unless TweakScale depends on it, maybe. I don't use
TweakScale
L205[16:28:03] <SporkWitch> i use whatever
my mods installed as a dep via ckan lol
L206[16:30:21] <Guest33519> thank you for
the inputs
L207[16:31:36] <SporkWitch> i strongly
recommend using ckan. Occasionally updates can be a little delayed,
since the mod dev has to update the manifest file for ckan, but it
really saves a lot of trouble with managing mods. Installs all the
deps, lets the mod devs suggest recommended mods which you'll be
prompted to choose with checkboxes if you want to install them as
well, and also list recommended-but-unrelated mods
L208[16:31:40] <SporkWitch> you might be
interested in
L209[16:32:02] <Izaya> if you have
anything with dependencies, using a package manager is saving
yourself headaches
L210[16:32:23] <SporkWitch> if a game
doesn't support a proper GUI mod manager these days, i just don't
even bother modding anymore; it's not worth the trouble to manually
install and set things up for a game.
L211[16:32:32] <Izaya> unrelated: is there
anything like Flight Manager for Reusable Stages, but for when you
have 8 different maneuvers to execute in the same 5-minute
period?
L212[16:32:39] <SporkWitch> i have to
solve stuff liek that for work, when i'm done, i want to PLAY
games, not futz with them
L213[16:33:43] <SporkWitch> no clue. i
couldn't wrap my head around how those mods worked so i just don't
use them. I think ksp-recall will automagically save my stages if i
put enough chutes on them, but not sure. it's usualy not enough
money to bother with. get the realism argument, just felt like more
headache than it's worth
L214[16:37:41] <Izaya> I just end up with
a pileup of stuff to do every orbit
L215[16:37:55] <Izaya> because time is
money so I want something launching from the KSC literally all the
time
L216[16:38:12] <Izaya> this results in my
alarm clock getting very crowded
L217[16:38:17] <packbart> MechJeb's
Maneuver Executor
L218[16:38:40] <packbart> using flight
computers is much more realistic ;)
L219[16:39:08] <Izaya> can that run in the
background?
L220[16:39:39] <packbart> hmno, KSP
doesn't like that
L221[16:40:00] <Izaya> because
automatically executing the maneuver isn't the problem, the problem
is I need to be doing multiple at the same time
L222[16:40:07] <packbart> BonVoyage is
actually the only mod I know that moves vessels in the
background
L223[16:40:56] <packbart> yeah, that is
another KSP conundrum. Docking always happens in the dark. Maneuver
nodes always happen all at once.
L224[16:41:16] <Althego> hehehe
L225[16:41:17] <Althego> yes
L226[16:41:20] <Althego> alwayts
L227[16:41:20] <Izaya> which is why I
brought up FMRS, it would solve my problem - sort of
L228[16:41:45] <Izaya> I could switch to 5
minutes ago in a different vessel
L229[16:41:53] <packbart> use the
multiplayer mod and run several instances at the same time ;)
L230[16:42:06] <Izaya> don't tempt
me
L231[16:42:43] <Izaya> I wonder if
anyone's done anything insane like actually just running multiple
copies of the simulation in different places
L232[16:42:44] <Althego> remember there
was scifi series called seven days? and the guy always called in to
hq with the keyword conundrum
L233[16:42:57] <Guest33519> i'm coming
back after being away a while from KSP... I CKAN and all that, have
my fingers in LOTS of MM configs in many mods over the years.
L234[16:42:57] <Guest33519> The
ModuleManager /L caused me to error/soft-lock on seeing them both
listed on the github for that mod.
L235[16:44:02] <Guest33519> Bargain Rocket
Parts (the cardboard box capsule and BBQ Grill probes mod) has my
fingerprints, as do many others...
L236[16:44:33] <SporkWitch> Althego: loved
that show :)
L237[16:44:34] <Guest33519> I make no
ownership claim, but have submitted code to keep them
functional
L238[16:45:08] <SporkWitch> the guy that
played Ramsey is in that new Gina Carano movie "Terror on the
Prairie" from DailyWire
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L243[17:26:49] <Izaya> > game gets to
the main menu
L244[17:26:53] <Izaya> > GPU fan spins
up LOUD
L245[17:29:21] <Althego> for me ksp used
to keep the fan off
L246[17:29:34] <Althego> then they addded
the new shaders and during flight itspins up
L247[17:39:06] <Mat2ch> I need a Kerbal
farm, where small Kerbals pop out!
L248[17:39:13] <funkenstein>
;mission
L249[17:39:13] <LunchBot> You fornicate
without the consent of the Kraken. But you forgot to add power
sources to your rocket.
L250[17:40:01] <packbart> well, there's
your Kerbal farm
L251[17:40:01] <funkenstein> mat2ch all
kerbals are small, whatchu talkin' 'bout Willis?
L252[17:40:23] <packbart> too bad your
rocket didn't have the power
L253[17:40:27] <Mat2ch> even smaller
Kerbals!
L254[17:41:12] <packbart> there was a
colonization mod that popped out new (fully mature) Kerbals every
now and then
L255[17:41:34] <packbart> and of course
KSP2 is supposed to grant your wish
L256[17:41:45] <SporkWitch> MKS has
mechanics for that, yep
L257[17:42:02] <SporkWitch> once a moon or
planet has sufficient infrastructure the kerbals will start having
kids
L258[17:53:04] <funkenstein>
adorable
L259[17:53:34] <funkenstein> though if
they were born on mun would they not be munals?
L260[17:54:12] <funkenstein> If all
kerbals on the Mun die, then you repopulate, is that
ReMuneration
L261[17:54:49] <funkenstein> if you
populate Pol is that PoPolation control?
L262[17:56:51] <Mat2ch> funkenstein:
That's 5 USD or EUR in the word play jar.
L263[17:57:14] *
SporkWitch baps funkenstein
L264[17:58:12] *
funkenstein bonks SporkWitch with an empty trash bin full o
boom
L265[17:58:31] <funkenstein> a trash bin
empty of boom
L266[17:58:32] <SporkWitch> i did nothing
to deserve that; your puns demanded it
L267[17:59:11] <funkenstein> 's not my
fault I'm Punic
L268[17:59:15] <funkenstein>
hehehehe
L269[17:59:36] <SporkWitch> this is why we
need to bap the puns out of you lol
L270[18:00:17] <Izaya> oh, apparently the
latest parallax point release added some ugly OpenGL code to make
it Work(TM)
L271[18:06:30] <packbart> it seems to have
some problems with shadows, so there's a new option to disable
them
L272[18:06:35] <packbart> also: new
flowers
L274[18:10:35] <funkenstein> llooks like
fireweed and mountain lupine combined
L275[18:10:59] <funkenstein> or a weird
Gladiolus
L276[18:16:32] <Izaya> those shadows are
very odd
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L281[19:19:48] <Althego> hehe of course it
flipped
L282[19:20:18] <Althego> but these kind of
living backgrounds look nice even in the cartoonish graphics
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L284[19:56:33] <Mat2ch> It makes Kerbin
look a lot more inhabitated
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L286[20:16:52] <funkenstein> ;mission add
You "pspspsps" an SRB.
L287[20:16:52] <LunchBot> Added mission:
You "pspspsps" an SRB.
L288[20:17:22] <raptop> !mission add You
decide to forklift-certify your VAB and SPH construction
workers.
L289[20:17:22] <LunchBot> Added mission:
You decide to forklift-certify your VAB and SPH construction
workers.
L290[20:17:38] *
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L291[20:19:44] <packbart> I've seen those
workers drive around the SPH. They're good.
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L295[21:14:14] <Izaya> the game really
isn't set up to let you build with triangles
L296[21:14:15] <Izaya> >.
L298[21:14:43] <Mat2ch> !mission
L299[21:14:43] <LunchBot> You launch a
rescue mission for your rescue mission. Your escapades catch the
eye of Hollywood and they make a film, unfortunately it is directed
by Uwe Boll.
L300[21:15:15] <Mat2ch> THAT is really
unfortunately.
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L302[21:15:26] <Mat2ch> At least the
explosions will be great.
L303[21:32:57] <darsie> Spork Witch 2 days
ago Let us all be very clear: it is the most phallicly-shaped
rocket ever designed, and it suffered a premature ejection
lol
L305[21:33:57] <SporkWitch> XD
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L307[21:36:44] <SporkWitch> most of the
replies are quite supportive XD
L308[21:37:25] <SporkWitch> kind of
surprised scott didn't comment; dick jokes are absolutely not
beneath goonswarm
L309[21:42:17] <SporkWitch> Goodwin 2 days
ago: That's O.K. We can just snuggle.
L310[21:45:09] <SporkWitch>
L311[21:45:10] <SporkWitch>
DrunkPauloCosta 1 day ago: Bezos... Always missing the Zero-G Spot
and shooting off too early.
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