L1[00:00:06] <XXCoder> ;mission

L2[00:00:06] <LunchBot> You build a zero-g simulation plane and try to fly it. KSP in a nutshell.

L3[00:00:13] <XXCoder> yep

L8[01:55:53] <Guest37451> KSP 2 is gonna be real cook

L10[01:59:40] <raptop> ...

L12[02:36:23] <XXCoder> is ksp 2 being cooked at all?

L13[02:38:13] <funkenstein> ;mission

L14[02:38:13] <LunchBot> You set out on your mission with nefarious porpoises in mind. Defying the billion to one odds, your ship manages to hit a previously unseen asteroid.

L15[02:38:32] <XXCoder> evil averted!

L16[02:38:36] <XXCoder> ;mission

L17[02:38:36] <LunchBot> B787_300 yet again loses his @ in a netsplit. Guest61064 has declared you Sus Baka.

L18[02:38:49] <XXCoder> losing @ is sus

L19[02:39:52] <SporkWitch> speaking of porpoises, ever read the book Spinnerette? One of the races are totally aquatic and the difficulties that poses them for spaceflight are explored briefly. was a really nice touch

L20[02:41:02] <SporkWitch> *Spinneret

L21[02:41:48] <SporkWitch> https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/spinneret-timothy-zahn/1000218293

L22[02:42:40] <XXCoder> https://www.librarything.com/work/18971

L25[03:10:51] <SporkWitch> why does mechjeb keep detaching my SRBs immediately instead of lighting them...

L26[03:11:43] <SporkWitch> hmmm, manual launch bugs out too... must have screwed something up...

L29[04:06:31] <funkenstein> ;mission

L30[04:06:31] <LunchBot> You experiment with mixed vegetable rocket staging. Your final moments are shown on Kerbin's Funniest Home Videos. You come in second.

L31[04:11:24] <SporkWitch> i've come to the conclusion that mechjeb's "launch to rendesvous" function simply doesn't work. it wants to launch me into a weird retrograde orbit and keeps screwing up staging...

L33[04:45:36] <funkenstein> it also doesn't land you reliably at all

L34[04:45:49] <SporkWitch> i've found the landing works fine on minmus, at least

L35[04:46:07] <funkenstein> in my experience it thinks the ground is 20 meters below where it actually is

L36[04:46:34] <funkenstein> that, or it ignores staging, landing legs, and fuel entirely

L37[04:46:52] <funkenstein> ;lunch

L38[04:46:52] <LunchBot> Cheddar and onion quiche.

L39[04:47:25] <SporkWitch> i gave up on the launch-to-rendesvous stuff, though. Just launch to a regular 100km orbit and then use the maneuver planner to calculate the transfer burn (unlike astrogator, MJ does a combined prograde + inclination change burn for maximum efficiency, just gotta do a tiny burn right after to adjust the periapsis at the destination)

L41[04:48:39] <SporkWitch> the staging stuff is definitely flaky, as to fuel, yeah, it doesn't calculate it, it just burns according to the landing regime it's programmed with. Not the most efficient compared to a suicide burn, but i'm finding it sufficiently accurate for landing near existing stuff, making it perfect for landing base additions

L42[04:50:09] <SporkWitch> I'm about to start construction on my minmus base. Currently scouting resources. Will likely do the main base on the Greater Flats just for ease and convenience, then set up some transport routes to the other biomes. I've still yet to come up with a decent rover, though. That low gravity is so convenient for most stuff, but a nightmare for rovers. Though I guess it would probably be fine if I

L43[04:50:17] <SporkWitch> just let bon voyage handle moving them around...

L44[04:52:01] <SporkWitch> i hope they release a video on the construction mechanics in KSP2 soon. I'm really hopeful that they make it kind of like an open-world VAB or city builder, then have kerbals go do the construction for you. It'd be a nightmare otherwise and they really need to make it easy to put things together once the resources and personnel are there. That's the fun part, not fighting to maneuver things

L45[04:52:02] <SporkWitch> into position.

L47[04:54:26] <SporkWitch> o/

L57[08:30:38] <packbart> and if you don't pay the Kerbals enough Monoprop, they'll go on strike and not build any more ships

L58[08:39:38] <darsie> I wonder how much rocket fuel Copenhagen Suborbitals drank :).

L87[17:00:56] <raptop> Is Stasis any good?

L88[17:01:03] <raptop> (currently free on GOG)

L92[17:12:40] <Mat2ch> well, it is free...

L96[17:13:11] <SnoopJ> > Death - John can (and will) die in the most horrific ways imaginable

L97[17:13:24] <SnoopJ> c-cool

L98[17:14:46] <Mat2ch> raptop: and I got scammed into it. You can click on this and automatically get it, if you are logged in: https://www.gog.com/giveaway/claim

L99[17:15:00] <Mat2ch> I clicked and just got it, without knowing, what I'd get. :D

L100[17:15:21] <raptop> heh

L101[17:22:49] <Althego> i played statis, it was ok

L102[18:06:50] <SporkWitch> funkenstein: so playing around with the landing autopilot more, the trick seems to be that it's not very good at figuring out the plane change if you're far off from where you want to land. if you adjust your orbit so that you're reasonably close to the target, it consistently lands me very close to the spot I mark

L104[19:56:31] <raptop> . o O (Booster-percent speedrun)

L106[20:52:28] <FLHerne> wow, I forgot just how ugly early KSP was

L107[20:53:21] <FLHerne> I mean, the current graphics are hardly high-fidelity, but there aren't blatantly obvious tiling patterns on every landscape texture

L108[20:53:53] <SporkWitch> yeah, watching early shots is pretty jarring, even more so if you run graphics mods normally lol

L109[20:54:11] <SporkWitch> the VAB interface, too; only 5 tabs? lol

L110[20:55:54] <raptop> Remember the Mk 1 pod with a delorian hubcap base?

L111[20:56:23] <sandbox> who could forget

L112[20:59:19] <sandbox> I wish they didn't add all that extra stuff on the ramp

L114[21:05:20] <Pinkbeast> I don't miss stock wheels being kind of janky oh no wait

L115[21:05:56] <SporkWitch> hehe

L116[21:06:10] <FLHerne> hey, they're better than in 1.0 or whatever it was

L117[21:06:17] <FLHerne> 1.2?

L118[21:06:31] <FLHerne> the one where every wheeled vehicle invariably exploded

L119[21:06:41] <SporkWitch> even modded. was making yet another attempt at a minmus rover the other day, tried using tracks from one of the mods i have since they're usually more reliable than regular wheels, the track broke itself after driving 5 metres lol

L120[21:08:26] <SporkWitch> apparently there's an upgrade for ion engines (in KSPI) that let's them work without reaction mass, if I could figure out which upgrade unlocks that, I could use the repulsors instead. it's critical that it use no reaction mass, though, so that the planetsdie transit routes are cost-free.

L121[21:09:31] <SporkWitch> hmmm... that's something I hope KSP2 has: building out rail infrastructure. I know they said explicitly that most resource production and transport will be backgrounded once it's set up, similar to KSPI / MKS, but it would be cool to build out maglev trains between outposts to ferry goods and kerbals between them

L122[21:27:52] <Pinkbeast> Also remember the game without multiple-body mechanics, 1EC == 1kJ...

L127[22:57:10] <SporkWitch> yeesh, i never really looked before, but holy crap the mun has a lot of biomes lol

L128[23:12:21] <funkenstein> sporkwitch I do so, I generally only put it on during the last 300m

L129[23:13:57] <SporkWitch> what i've been doing and getting consistent results is adjusting my inclination myself so that the next orbit passes over where i want to land, then I hit mj and it skips the plane change burn. deorbit, decelleration, braking, and final burns all work fine and get me right where i want. It's the plane change one that sometimes does weird things (on one, i aimed for the poles and it put me on the

L130[23:14:08] <SporkWitch> OPPOSITE side of the equator lol)

L131[23:14:43] <SporkWitch> ... oopsy... TFW you enter the number of meters you wanted, but it was actually asking for km... lol

L132[23:15:27] <funkenstein> lolol

L133[23:15:42] <SporkWitch> mun, enough ΔV to get to dres? same difference...

L134[23:15:47] <funkenstein> I still haven't figured out what's up with ckan\

L135[23:15:55] <funkenstein> lol

L136[23:16:19] <funkenstein> you'll just be very confident on the way back (should there be such a trip)

L137[23:16:22] <SporkWitch> what do you mean? ckan's working fine here

L138[23:16:41] <funkenstein> yeah I think it's fthis pc or sometyhing

L139[23:16:49] <SporkWitch> i have no problem save-scumming; the kraken discourages anything else lol

L140[23:20:24] <SporkWitch> so i had fun this morning. got a random call from a nonsense phone number, delay in the audio connecting, then when it does, i hear background voices and a heavy indian accent, so i opened with "so what scam company do you work for?" dude instantly gets indignant, refuses to say what company he works for (repeated "what company do you work for" not "which SCAM company"), and then hung up a

L141[23:20:57] <SporkWitch> minute or so later. Then it occurred to me "oh poop, i start a new job in a week, what if it was legit..." So i called the number back and it goes to some intercept error, so I think i'm just my usual paranoid self lol