OCLogs: 2022-06-26.log

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L1[00:16:39] <funkenstein> ;mission

L2[00:16:39] <LunchBot> You begin testing the effects of high velocity cactus in zero gravity. Your efforts are misdirected and fail to address the underlying problem. Everything explodes.

L3[00:17:02] <funkenstein> ;mission

L4[00:17:03] <LunchBot> You attempt to beat the spacetime rug. In theory, the mission is a complete success!

L5[00:17:13] <funkenstein> well done

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L19[00:45:52] <funkenstein> -_- I keep getting disconnected

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L66[04:22:26] <funkenstein> ;mission

L67[04:22:27] <LunchBot> You build a quinerocket. The UN sends you a sternly-worded letter in response.

L68[04:23:25] <funkenstein> ;mission add Due to an error in typography, you are contracted to make a rocket made of horse.

L69[04:23:26] <LunchBot> Added mission: Due to an error in typography, you are contracted to make a rocket made of horse.

L70[04:23:48] <funkenstein> (an equinerocket)

L71[04:24:08] <funkenstein> ;mission

L72[04:24:08] <LunchBot> You construct an aircraft powered by a laser-inertial-confinement fusion engine. Fire in the water, why?

L73[04:24:32] <funkenstein> ;outcome add Why not?

L74[04:24:32] <LunchBot> Added outcome: Why not?

L75[04:25:31] <funkenstein> ;outcome add You sink your mandibles into a reflective metal posterior.

L76[04:25:31] <LunchBot> Added outcome: You sink your mandibles into a reflective metal posterior.

L77[04:28:43] <funkenstein> ;mission

L78[04:28:43] <LunchBot> You attempt to land in an active volcano. You become depressed at finding that your google search yielded a positive result.

L79[04:29:09] <funkenstein> "Elon Musk Funko Pop"

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L106[06:57:45] <XXCoder> ;mission

L107[06:57:45] <LunchBot> You exceed the Greisen-Zatsepin-Kuzmin limit. You get this bot banned by spamming ;mission too much.

L108[06:57:55] <XXCoder> noes

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L112[08:10:02] <FLHerne> to be fair, that's after about 20 lines of no conversation except people poking ;mission

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L114[08:10:09] <FLHerne> which does get a bit much

L115[08:24:56] <XXCoder> lol well

L116[08:25:05] <XXCoder> mission DID get banned for while

L117[08:25:14] <XXCoder> people spammed them during game convos

L118[08:25:19] <XXCoder> nowdays its not a problem

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L121[09:23:31] <Guest22708> good morning

L122[09:24:44] <Guest22708> i have a question about module manager. i installed the .dll format and placed it into my game folder. but when i start the game it says i havent installed ist

L123[09:24:52] <Guest22708> how can i fix it?

L124[09:25:23] <Mat2ch> where did you place it exactly?

L125[09:25:27] <Mat2ch> And why are you not using ckan? :)

L126[09:25:45] <Guest22708> i put it into GameData folder

L127[09:26:03] <Guest22708> ah idk. iam new in modding ksp and this was the first solution on google

L128[09:27:12] <Guest22708> D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Kerbal Space Program\GameData

L129[09:27:40] <Mat2ch> sounds about right

L130[09:27:56] <Mat2ch> I have ModuleManager.4.2.1.dll in there. Seems old. :D

L131[09:28:12] <Guest22708> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/50533-18x-112x-module-manager-422-june-18th-2022-the-heatwave-edition/

L132[09:28:17] <Guest22708> i download it from there

L133[09:28:36] <Mat2ch> "heatwave edition" I feel this hard. (Or warm?)

L134[09:28:46] <Guest22708> For KSP 1.8.0 - 1.12.x

L135[09:28:46] <Guest22708> ModuleManager.4.2.2.dll

L136[09:29:01] <Guest22708> lol

L137[09:30:14] <Mat2ch> if it's there it should be working

L138[09:30:15] <Pinkbeast> Quote the error verbatim (but just use CKAN)

L139[09:32:01] <Guest22708> https://ibb.co/hdnsKwV

L140[09:32:05] <Guest22708> this is the error

L141[09:32:56] <Pinkbeast> So what _else_ are you trying to use? (But just use CKAN)

L142[09:33:39] <Guest22708> what do you mean?

L143[09:33:39] <Guest22708> sry thats not my nativ language

L144[09:35:16] <Pinkbeast> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/197082-ckan-the-comprehensive-kerbal-archive-network-v1304-hubble/

L145[09:35:30] <Pinkbeast> You have some _other_ mod installed which is producing that message

L146[09:35:58] <Guest22708> ah. yeah i have installed some

L147[09:36:09] <Pinkbeast> Possibly something from https://ksp.lisias.net/add-ons/ModuleManager/WatchDog/KNOWN_ISSUES since I doubt many people think "installment" is a word

L148[09:36:12] <Guest22708> but all for 1.12.3. hmm i will try to install ckan

L149[09:36:42] <Guest22708> i i dont use lisias. i use serbians

L150[09:36:59] <Guest22708> sarbian's*

L151[09:38:49] <Pinkbeast> Sarbian is the author of module manager. The error message is from another mod.

L152[09:39:02] <Guest22708> iam understanding

L153[09:39:21] <Guest22708> so when i try it with ckan, this programm will show me whos the traitor?

L154[09:39:53] <Pinkbeast> No. Just start afresh - clean out GameData of anything you've done, and install the mods you want with CKAN.

L155[09:42:16] <Guest22708> okay. can i also reinstall the game or must i delet my folders

L156[09:42:27] <Pinkbeast> Fresh install would be good

L157[09:43:00] <Guest22708> okay i will do it

L158[09:43:10] <Althego> module manager changes the config files, so it would be best to start from scratch

L159[09:43:29] <Pinkbeast> Also KSP isn't DRMed, so when you have a fresh install, make a copy

L160[09:43:39] <Guest22708> is my english okay? i think i make many mistakes xD

L161[09:43:58] <Pinkbeast> Better than my German, which is abominable

L162[09:44:03] <Althego> hehe

L163[09:44:11] <Guest22708> HAHAHA

L164[09:44:19] <Guest22708> how do oyu know iam from germany

L165[09:44:24] <Guest22708> you

L166[09:44:29] <Pinkbeast> Your screenshot is a "Bild"

L167[09:44:34] <Guest22708> ohhh yes

L168[09:44:35] <Guest22708> xD

L169[09:45:16] <Pinkbeast> Before the plague we'd go every year to the Wave-Gotik-Treffen in Leipzig, but my partner speaks good German and also you can get by with "bier", "wurst", "bitte", and "Wo ist die Strassenbahn?"

L170[09:45:33] <Pinkbeast> So mine is pretty bad.

L171[09:45:38] <Guest22708> hahahahaha

L172[09:46:24] <Guest22708> but when you write it use ß insted of ss

L173[09:46:39] <Pinkbeast> I know but I don't have one on my keyboard

L174[09:46:44] <Guest22708> lol

L175[09:47:02] <Guest22708> unbelievable xD

L176[09:47:29] <Pinkbeast> (I'm off, though, train to catch, good luck)

L177[09:47:43] <Guest22708> thank you^^ hope you will get it

L178[09:48:10] <Guest22708> i will try it with althego when the game is installed

L179[09:48:26] <Althego> i have never used ckan in my life :)

L180[09:48:33] <Guest22708> oh ok^^

L181[09:48:56] <Althego> but it will help you to add and remove mods to find the cause of the error

L182[09:49:11] <Guest22708> btw althego. its me. the "german guy" from 2 months ago. i dont know you remember me lol

L183[09:49:17] <Guest22708> thank you

L184[09:49:19] <Althego> ah ye

L185[09:49:20] <Althego> s

L186[09:49:48] <Guest22708> nice to see you here.

L187[09:49:48] <Guest22708> ehm 24/7 haha

L188[09:50:27] <Althego> so just add the mods with ckan one by one and wait for the error

L189[09:53:32] <Guest22708> is it worth to play the 1.12.3?

L190[09:53:39] <Guest22708> is better lower because of more mods?

L191[09:53:44] <Guest22708> available mods*

L192[09:54:10] <Izaya> 1.12 will be The Version to be on going forward

L193[09:54:18] <Althego> this is the last version

L194[09:54:25] <Izaya> (.3 doesn't make any significant difference to mods)

L195[09:54:27] <Althego> and the modders had years at this point to adapt to it

L196[09:54:56] <Guest22708> okok

L197[09:55:00] <Guest22708> relatable

L198[09:55:02] <Izaya> ^ because it's the last version eventually all maintained mods will support it (excepting other circumstances)

L199[09:55:29] <Althego> some mods can be abandoned and not developed anymore. in that case you need an older version

L200[09:56:02] <Guest22708> i didnt find overhaul mods for the latest version. do you have one?

L201[09:56:08] <Guest22708> graphic overhaul

L202[09:56:24] <Guest22708> i searched on curseforge

L203[09:57:43] <Izaya> I have plenty of graphics mods installed https://shadowkat.net/tmp/d06c.png

L204[09:58:17] <Izaya> a lot of them the max game version reflects the time they were last updated rather than what actually works

L205[09:58:30] <Guest22708> lol

L206[09:59:13] <Izaya> ie mods for "1.10.*" might work on 1.12 just fine

L207[09:59:14] <Guest22708> is tweakskale a good mod?

L208[10:04:39] <Guest22708> soooo first step completed. i installed ckan and found my game folder. i started the game in ckan and there is NO error

L209[10:04:49] <Guest22708> now its time for the mods

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L212[10:15:16] <Guest22708> https://ibb.co/gMvfB8N

L213[10:15:21] <Guest22708> it works

L214[10:15:30] <Guest22708> now my vessel is safe for ever

L215[10:15:56] <Guest22708> thank you guys

L216[10:16:33] <Althego> lol is that an oversized parachute?

L217[10:18:49] <Guest22708> yes HAHHAHA

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L226[13:56:33] <Althego> sounding rocket launch in australia, currently on hold because of weather https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSfugtxlXmw

L227[14:33:08] <SporkWitch> weather, not the wildlife trying to kill everyone? :P

L228[15:15:32] <Althego> hehe scott went ona zero g flight with jeb

L229[15:42:37] * darsie must have missed jeb.

L230[15:43:08] <darsie> Ahh, there.

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L237[18:06:24] <packbart> !mission

L238[18:06:24] <LunchBot> ATK lobbyists force you to add more boosters. You find out the hard way that parachutes were not accounted for in the mission budget.

L239[18:06:52] <packbart> you can have boosters *or* parachutes

L240[18:07:42] <Althego> you cant go to space on parachutes

L241[18:07:49] <Althego> so i would choose the boosters

L242[18:07:54] <Althego> or maybe you can?

L243[18:08:08] <Althego> who know, somebody must have found a way to get into orbit with parachutes

L244[18:09:25] <SporkWitch> Althego: KSPI has solar sails and beamed power. You can shoot a laser at a solar sail to provide thrust. This was also a method used in the book The Unincorporated Man. The suborbital shuttle network were basically flying saucers whose thrust was provided by ground-based lasers.

L245[18:10:35] <SporkWitch> (actually a really interesting book series, with some of the more realistic space-based warfare, dealing with real issues of orbital mechanics, and "speed limits" imposed by the simple rule of "if you're moving really fast, a pebble hurts")

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L250[18:24:49] <darsie> packbart: Money or dv budget?

L251[18:25:22] <darsie> Kerbals can deorbit without chutes.

L252[18:25:48] <darsie> Or exit capsules before impact.

L253[18:25:51] <darsie> On Kerbin

L254[18:26:04] <SporkWitch> darsie: i've never gotten that to work, even without FAR or deadly reentry. All the info on it says to do things the controls don't allow for. You have no control in atmosphere until the chute fully opens

L255[18:26:40] <packbart> you have RCS

L256[18:27:03] <darsie> I'm a bit unsure if Kerbals survive impact due to low speed when they fall horizontally or because the helmet touches down first in this attitude.

L257[18:27:17] <SporkWitch> yeah, but unlike with a ship, can't control pitch, and it also doesn't let you toggle it. there's no way to get it to let you belly out like you need to

L258[18:27:40] <darsie> EVA suits can control attitude.

L259[18:28:01] <darsie> Drag with LMB

L260[18:28:20] <packbart> yeah, my attempts at utilizing the Kerbal-Kerbin-Interface to attain a successful landing were hit and miss

L261[18:28:29] <SporkWitch> drag with LEFT mouse?!

L262[18:28:33] <darsie> yes

L263[18:28:47] <darsie> Hold LMB and drag the mouse.

L264[18:28:52] <SporkWitch> do you comprehend how many years this has been driving me insane, as I try to get things to align right with no pitch or roll control?!

L265[18:29:06] <packbart> I point the camera where the Kerbal should look at and press space

L266[18:29:20] <darsie> Kerbals used to have lift, too.

L267[18:29:33] <darsie> So they could ... drift

L268[18:29:49] <SporkWitch> packbart: that only adjusts yaw. the pitch and roll are determined solely by what the camera mode desides "level" is

L269[18:30:19] <packbart> true. but it worked well enough for my capsule-less landings

L270[18:30:34] <packbart> there is a mod for that, too. "There Is No Up" by taniwha, I think

L271[18:30:43] <SporkWitch> i'll have to fiddle around with this new revelation, though... largely moot since i DO use deadly reentry now, but it'll make my in space EVAs much less infurating

L272[18:30:46] <SporkWitch> *infuriating

L273[18:30:57] <darsie> Use left mouse button (LMB) and drag to do assume a horizontal attitude. https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Tutorial:Jetpack_deorbit

L274[18:31:06] <darsie> You just had to actually read it.

L275[18:31:29] <packbart> ( https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/193054-18-112-tinu-there-is-no-up-022/ )

L276[18:32:12] <packbart> not sure if that would affect Kerbal orientation, too, though

L277[18:33:17] <darsie> The hit and miss might be due to varying impact altitude. Lower down the atmosphere is thicken and you get slower.

L278[18:33:20] <packbart> "EVA kerbal orientation can be a little disconcerting, even with SAS on. But, There Is No Up."

L279[18:33:30] <SporkWitch> i've read that before and i honestly don't know how i missed it saying LMB

L280[18:34:03] <darsie> "the atmosphere gets thicker as you descend and if your impact point is low enough, you'll wake up from a short coma alive. "

L281[18:36:57] <darsie> No, it's not the helmet bug, because survival depends on impact altitude.

L282[18:38:41] <packbart> .oO("What is the impact velocity of an unladen Kerbal?" - "At sea level or Mt. Doom?")

L283[18:40:07] <darsie> But yeah, the Kerbal attitude control probably should be better documented.

L284[18:44:50] <darsie> Should be in https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Extra-Vehicular_Activity#Free_fall

L285[18:45:04] <darsie> Which instead says it can't be done.

L286[18:45:22] <SporkWitch> it doesn't help any that LMB isn't used anywhere else that I'm aware of so it doesn't even occur to TRY lol

L287[18:45:58] <darsie> idk how I discovered it.

L288[18:48:24] <darsie> Pins potentially out-of-date, rebuilding...

L289[18:48:54] <darsie> ok, that was steam.

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L292[20:21:47] * darsie revamped https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Extra-Vehicular_Activity#Free_fall

L293[20:22:11] <darsie> Might need some editing.

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L295[20:30:03] <darsie> SporkWitch: You could read it.

L296[20:31:40] <SporkWitch> darsie: if you're jumping back to this after more than two hours, you'll see that I had read that article previously, and remarked at how i missed the mention of left mouse button.

L297[20:32:19] <darsie> I mean https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Extra-Vehicular_Activity#Free_fall

L298[20:34:51] <SporkWitch> ah, that one i didn't know about; i thought you were talking about the EVA reentry article

L299[20:38:07] <SporkWitch> know what i really wanna know? Why do crew modules only have one piece of paper that magically replaces itself ONLY if said piece of paper is removed? (talkin' crew reports here: it is the silliest thing that re-runnable experiments in general, but crew reports especially, require going EVA, taking it out, then PUTTING IT RIGHT BACK IN, to take another report from a new biome lol)

L300[20:42:53] <darsie> mhm

L301[20:49:24] <SporkWitch> think we have some other SCP fans here. Apparently there's a new game set in that universe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjsktyxtNHE

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L303[20:58:38] <funkenstein> ;mission add ;mission becomes the sole source of entertainment in the KSP chat.

L304[20:58:38] <LunchBot> Added mission: ;mission becomes the sole source of entertainment in the KSP chat.

L305[20:58:46] <funkenstein> ;mission

L306[20:58:46] <LunchBot> You add tzatziki sauce to the reaction wheels. Your craft bounces off the surface of a nearby rogue comet.

L307[20:58:53] <funkenstein> yum'

L308[21:03:56] <funkenstein> ;mission

L309[21:03:56] <LunchBot> You embark on a mission to Hammerspace. Laplace's Dæmon has no idea what you're up to.

L310[21:17:00] <funkenstein> ;mission

L311[21:17:00] <LunchBot> You run out of jetpack fuel while on EVA. The explosion is staggeringly beautiful.

L312[21:17:09] <funkenstein> OH MYYY

L313[21:37:36] <Mat2ch> Causing an explosion without fuel. Only in KSP. :D

L314[21:37:39] <Mat2ch> !mission

L315[21:37:39] <LunchBot> You add a mission about yourself. You run out of electricity.

L316[21:37:59] <Mat2ch> Story of my life.

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L318[21:46:20] <FLHerne> Mat2ch: turbopump cavitation is no joke

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L330[23:29:40] <raptop> !mission

L331[23:29:41] <LunchBot> You set out to visit ALLLLLLLL the planets in KSP Interstellar!. You end up in the intensive care ward.

L332[23:30:08] <raptop> This is why you take brakes

L333[23:30:11] <raptop> *breaks

L334[23:30:36] <SporkWitch> gotta bring enough snacks

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