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L1[00:06:05] <raptop> !mission add You
sacrifice an anode to Ferris.
L2[00:06:05] <LunchBot> Added mission: You
sacrifice an anode to Ferris.
L3[00:15:26] * raptop
wonders if that's an excessively convoluted pun
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L27[06:42:18] <XXCoder> ;mission
L28[06:42:18] <LunchBot> You set about to
start an intergalactic space war using nothing but flamethrowers.
News arrives that the galactic core is exploding. All funding for
your efforts is withdrawn immediately.
L29[06:42:41] <XXCoder> yeah war during end
of galaxy is coming? yeah forget that
L30[06:42:50] <XXCoder> lets move 5 planets
orbiting each other away
L31[06:47:02] <UmbralRaptop> kempler
rosette or something
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L36[09:20:55] <Mat2ch> !nela
L38[09:21:00] <Mat2ch> !nextlunch
L39[09:21:00] <LunchBot> Fried egg and
mackerel on toast.
L40[09:21:07] <Mat2ch> I have pizza
instead.
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L63[16:23:01] <raptop> !mission
L64[16:23:01] <LunchBot> During an
emergency, you activate the Emergency Medical Holographic Program.
You are swarmed by drones, but unfortunately they are from Google
and come to consume your soul.
L65[16:23:17] <raptop> Oops, wrong
holographic program
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L67[17:13:53] <Mat2ch> hah, today under the
shower I thought up the best conspiracy theory ever.
L68[17:14:54] <Althego> ksp2 is late
because they are trying to make it connect to star citizen?
L69[17:14:58] <Mat2ch> You all know about
Dark Matter. And for many years now there have been lots of
experiments and much money poured into it, but every experiment
failed.
L70[17:15:21] <Mat2ch> But still scientists
keep on looking and looking only in that one way.
L71[17:16:12] <Mat2ch> I say: It's aliens.
30 years ago they figured out that we are too close to understand
how the universe works and could become space travelling society.
And they saw us and said: Nah, they are not ready
L72[17:16:39] <Mat2ch> So they started
manipulating people to think Dark Matter is true and the only
answer to keep us distracted!
L73[17:16:44] <Mat2ch> ;)
L74[17:18:17] <packbart> so the Trisolaran
Magic Computer Atoms are already here, distorting our scientifc
measurements
L75[17:18:49] <Pinkbeast> There's a Stross
book which begins with space marines from the Library of Alexandria
raiding an illegal orbital AI lab where someone's cooked up a
simulated Earth. (This is very illegal because sooner or later it
gets wiped, killing all the AI people). It turns out the physics
simulation was a bit budget so their cosmology doesn't really hold
together and they've had to invent something called
L76[17:18:55] <Pinkbeast> "dark
matter" which of course isn't present in the real
universe.
L77[17:20:15] <SporkWitch> Althego: given
the number of braindead arcade kids that don't want the simulator
they're being sold, can you imagine the tears that would flow if SC
used KSP's orbital mechanics? lol
L78[17:21:02] <SporkWitch> (seriously, the
"community" on star citizen is some pretty intense arcade
kids that want solo pwnmobiles; they would not react well to
something intellectually challenging lol)
L79[17:21:34] <packbart> well, almost every
space game would lose a lot of their audience if they'd introduce
realistic-ish orbital mechanics
L80[17:22:46] <SporkWitch> i think you
underestimate just how much demand there is for it; the main issue
is the misleading interest of people that want an arcade space game
and flock to the shiny new space sim that sells itself on reaelism,
then complain about realism (kind of like how WoW players flock to
every new MMO release only to complain that it's either too much or
not enough like WoW, then quit as soon as the
L81[17:22:56] <SporkWitch> trial was over,
because they don't actually want an MMORPG, they want WoW)
L82[17:23:19] <SporkWitch> Rogue System was
getting a LOT of attention before the solo dev got injured
:'(
L83[17:23:42] <packbart> as I read the
Elite forums, many players there praise its "flight
model" of orbital dog-fighting jets
L84[17:24:03] <Althego> i thought of it as
ww2 prop planes
L85[17:24:18] <packbart> yeah, some engines
sound like that
L86[17:24:27] <SporkWitch> yeah, there's a
lot of retroactive justification for spending what they did on E:D
lol. Single worst flight model in gaming; even WarThunder handles
better, and that game's absolute garbage even in so-called
"simulation" mode
L87[17:24:44] <Pinkbeast> New Elite's the
standard "Newtonian mechanics" -> "wait, these
are boring because your ship is a turret" -> "some
kind of bodge to make the consequences less boring". But it's
fun with friends.
L88[17:24:55] <SporkWitch> all E:D ships
handle like the space equivalent of semi trucks with square wheels
made of gorilla glue
L89[17:25:17] <packbart> I've never gone
FA-off, though
L90[17:26:27] <SporkWitch> even with it
off, they handle like crap. Yaw may as well not exist, and even
trying to fly it like a fighter, even the most maneuverable ships
handle terribly. SC has a lot of issues (most especially the single
worst community management in the industry, followed closely by a
dev team with ZERO PvP or multiplayer experience, so they
continually promise really unbalanced things), but in spite
of
L91[17:26:37] <SporkWitch> all that, at
least its ships all handle like you would expect for their roles,
and they handle WELL
L92[17:27:07] <Pinkbeast> OTOH Elite does
have a slight advantage in actually existing.
L93[17:27:18] <Pinkbeast> (The lack of yaw
authority is intentional)
L94[17:27:38] <SporkWitch> SC's had a full,
playable gameplay loop for several years now; I won't deny that
it's been terribly mismanaged and progress is slow, however.
L95[17:28:29] <packbart> I have NMS on my
steam wishlist, waiting for a good price. SC isn't on Steam (yet?)
so I didn't try any of their free-play weeks, yet
L96[17:29:46] <Pinkbeast> Rogue System
seems like a sort of cross between Frontier and that A-10 game
where it takes you half an hour to turn the thing on. I'm not sure
whose cup of tea _that_ is.
L97[17:30:42] <Althego> cant be actually
half an hour
L99[17:32:20] <Althego> lol
L100[17:33:33] <Pinkbeast> (Don't get me
wrong, I like train driving simulators... but I don't see the
appeal of sitting at the desk pressing "shovel coal"
every 30 seconds for two hours before I can go anywhere :-)
L101[17:33:34] <packbart> The manual to
"Super Huey" on the C64 would have me wait for minutes to
"warm up" the engine and such. Did it on the first
flight
L102[17:33:58] <packbart> then said
"sod it" and ignored the manual ;) start engine, couple
rotor, rev up and go
L103[17:34:21] <Althego> checked the video
the actual startup was a few minutes
L104[17:34:23] <Althego> that is
normal
L105[17:34:48] <Pinkbeast> But the appeal
of that sort of all-the-buttons sim is, I think, very much because
they're real-world planes or locomotives (or hypotheticals); I'm
not sure who cares about having the primary engine cooler setup
switch #3 on a Cobra Mk III
L106[17:34:58] <Althego> even for real
aircraft you have to wait at least for the navigation system
"aligment"
L107[17:35:04] <Althego> alignment
L108[17:35:27] <Althego> or rather you
dont have to, but advised
L109[17:36:01] <Althego> that cockpit is
quite a pro thing thhere
L110[17:36:54] <SporkWitch> Pinkbeast: DCS
(Digital Combat Simulator) is the flight sim you're thinking of.
It's what's generally referred to as a "study sim," as in
not something you just jump into and start killing things, but
something you study and actually learn how it works.
L111[17:37:06] <Pinkbeast> I know (but
don't see the pertinence)
L112[17:37:20] <SporkWitch> what do you
mean by that?
L113[17:38:20] <Pinkbeast> Althego: I was
very impressed by the group who did a joint KSP mission - one in
IVA without fancy RPM instruments, everyone else in "mission
control" next door, able to see data via kRPC but not touch
the controls, just talk to the pilot on voice comms
L114[17:38:28] <Pinkbeast> I'm not sure
what bit of it is unclear
L115[17:39:17] <SporkWitch> Pinkbeast: you
seemed uncertain of what it was called, I was answering, and
explaining the appeal to the target audience
L116[17:40:33] <packbart> yeah,
"all-the-buttons sims" is a genre of its own. not for
me
L117[17:42:50] <Althego> hehe, one fond
memory, we were testing a sim during the build and development and
one morning the cockpit was completely dark, which was unusual, we
started to check the variables which were causing it, and when we
reached emergency ac bus, the other guy said "i got it",
and reached back without looking, turned on the emergency ac bus
switch on the flight engineer's panel, which was turned off the
previous day by an actual instructor,
L118[17:42:50] <Althego> as if it was a
real airplane
L119[17:43:23] <SporkWitch> well that's
what you're SUPPOSED to do lol
L120[17:43:53] <SporkWitch> you can
absolutely do scramble startups that take less time, but a proper
startup, checking all systems, on the A-10C should take around 10
minutes or so, potentially a bit longer.
L121[17:44:24] <SporkWitch> The point of
these types of simulators is the immersion, not just getting up and
shooting stuff; there are arcade games for that
L122[17:45:16] <Althego> i am still proud
that thing, it had more extensive simulation of the circuits as the
full flight system
L123[17:45:30] <Althego> +of *as
L124[17:45:35] <Althego> *than
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L127[17:58:14] <Mat2ch> .oO( also funny
that nobody talks about my conspiracy theory. Which makes this
channel very suspicious. I wonder where the aliens would linger
around ;)
L128[17:59:43] <Althego> in the
governments
L129[18:00:23] <packbart> Mat2ch: there
were responses. did *THEY* filter them from your IRC? :)
L130[18:01:45] <packbart> but yeah, I was
paid to derail it and steer the discussion away from the topic.
it's nothing personal, just business, ya know
L131[18:03:27] <packbart> the real aliens
work for the FAA, trying to stop Elion Musk (another alien
fugitive)
L132[18:04:08] <packbart> did you know
that Musk was sentenced to hyperdeath in three galaxies?
L133[18:05:00] <SporkWitch> see, all the
hate against elon is just proof that establishment can't stand to
see an african american succeed :P
L134[18:28:39] <Mat2ch> packbart: you were
paid? This proves that you are human somehow. And aliens know how
to get humans to do their dirty work. :D
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L136[18:32:46] <packbart> well, once
you've been to one of their parties in a secret underground lair,
you'd understand
L137[18:33:19] <SporkWitch> y'all
seriously need to watch "Inside Job" on Netflix lol.
Show's absolutely hilarious. Premise is basically "all
conspiracy theories are real."
L139[18:35:52] <Mat2ch> packbart: oh, it
would be a shame if someone invited me, wouldn't it?
L140[18:37:19] <packbart> I might have
forwarded your name to my contact in the Illuminati but I couldn't
comment on it, whether I did or not
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L143[18:40:26] <SporkWitch> Free Masons
too, though I don't think anyone really doubts their existence
since they don't really try to hide their existence, so much as
their rituals. I've met quite a few Masons in my life, all great
people.
L144[18:41:45] <flayer> mass murderers can
be kind and neighborly
L145[18:42:24] <Pinkbeast> (is it not
common knowledge that the original Illuminati existed?)
L146[18:43:12] <packbart> it is. and
somehow they always get a bad rap
L147[18:43:29] <SporkWitch> Pinkbeast: at
least in the US (all of the English-speaking world?) Illuminati is
synonymous with "absolutely insane conspiracy nonsense."
Any mention whatsoever is instantly regarded the same as a flat
earther or someone that thinks the CIA is sending messages through
their fillings
L148[18:44:10] <packbart>
"Historically, the name usually refers to the Bavarian
Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on 1 May
1776 in Bavaria, today part of Germany. The society's goals were to
oppose superstition, obscurantism, religious influence over public
life, and abuses of state power."
L149[18:44:40] <Pinkbeast> I mean, usually
when someone uses it today and isn't explicitly talking about the
original group, it _is_ insane conspiracy nonsense; but I'm not
sure that means that people don't know the original group
existed
L150[18:45:33] <SporkWitch> IIRC it goes
back further, and while what public mention there is is usually
seemingly nice things like that, there was quite a bit indicating
some seriously messed up stuff. Gimme a few to check my books for
the relevant info
L151[18:46:03] <packbart> there always
is
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L153[18:48:36] <packbart> I had a boss
once who was a free mason. I would never join that club just
because of their silly theatrics 'n stuff
L154[18:54:43] <SporkWitch> "From
translations of period German, French, and Italian texts that
survived, including from the writings of Weishaupt [original
founder of the Bavarian Order of the Illuminati] and some of those
closest to him, scholars have asembled a patchwork of what they
believe to have been the aims of the Order: 1. The abolition of
m
L155[18:55:32] <SporkWitch> monarchy and
all ordered government; 2. The abolition of private property and of
inheritance; 3. The abolition of patriotism; 4. The abolition of
the family (i.e. of marriage and all morality, and the institution
of the communal education of children; and 5. The abolition of all
religion"
L156[18:57:48] <SporkWitch> this is from
Matthew Lohmeier's "Irresistible Revolution: Marxism's Goal of
Conquest & the Unmaking of the American Military." I'm
used to APA-style citations, so bear with me, I'm trying to figure
out how to track down his original cited source for the excerpt
above.
L157[18:59:19] <packbart> don't worry, I
believe you anyawy :)
L158[19:01:20] <SporkWitch> If I'm
understanding the rules correctly, the original source would be
Immanuel Kant, quoted in Melanson, "Perfectibilists,"
page 175. Definitely seeing why APA doesn't allow this at all, and
even the Chicago guide (which uses this format) discourages it in
current revisions lol
L159[19:03:02] <Althego> bird
arriving
L160[19:03:20] <SporkWitch> is that the
word? :P
L161[19:04:15] <Althego> not surfing
bird
L162[19:07:57] <Althego> kikkerikii
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L166[19:38:22] <Kalpa> Althego:
Paraplyy.
L167[19:38:48] <Althego> whatever that
is
L168[19:39:05] <Kalpa> How should I
know
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L176[20:43:12] <raptop> !mission add You
add a large booster the size of a small booster to your
rocket.
L177[20:43:12] <LunchBot> Added mission:
You add a large booster the size of a small booster to your
rocket.
L178[20:47:01] <packbart> that reminds of
the KSP comic where Bill would edit the save file
L179[20:47:58] <packbart> just add a few
zeroes here and there, now the sepratron got more thrust and fuel
than a Kickback
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L185[21:20:55] <funkenstein> ;outcome add
LOOK, MUMMY, THERE'S AN AEROPLANE UP IN THE SKY.
L186[21:20:55] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
LOOK, MUMMY, THERE'S AN AEROPLANE UP IN THE SKY.
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L188[21:24:33] <FLHerne> ;mission add You
design a craft to be played as a musical instrument. Some of the
percussion is explosions.
L189[21:24:33] <LunchBot> Added mission:
You design a craft to be played as a musical instrument. Some of
the percussion is explosions.
L190[21:27:46] <raptop> Consider: a
gatling gun modified so that when fired it plays the main bit of
Enter the Gladiators
L191[21:27:59] <funkenstein> ;outcome add
You rise up, gather round, and rock the KSC to the ground.
L192[21:27:59] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
You rise up, gather round, and rock the KSC to the ground.
L194[21:28:54] <funkenstein> raptop
consider a collection of guns that when fired in the correct order
play the start of the mario theme
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L196[21:29:27] <raptop> ...was the santa
hat falling off intentional?
L197[21:29:38] <funkenstein> thanks spork
lol
L198[21:29:40] <SporkWitch> could go
either way
L199[21:30:30] <SporkWitch> their best are
the halloween skits, though
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L255[23:57:14] <funkenstein> ;outcome Jeb
is pleased to hear that he's a sexy youtube motherlover.\
L256[23:57:14] <LunchBot> No outcome found
matching "Jeb is pleased to hear that he's a sexy youtube
motherlover.\".
L257[23:57:32] <funkenstein> ;outcome add
Jeb is pleased to hear that he's a sexy youtube motherlover.
L258[23:57:32] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
Jeb is pleased to hear that he's a sexy youtube motherlover.