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L138[13:08:32] <Althego> kikkerikii
L139[13:08:36] <Althego> nirds
L140[13:15:13] <darsie> .
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L144[14:07:08] <kubi> so, where is my
ksp2?
L145[14:14:38] <UmbralRaptor> You just
delayed it another month
L146[14:16:14] <Mat2ch> kubi: always next
year.
L147[14:32:45] <darsie> UmbralRaptor: Is
it early 2023 + 1 month, now?
L148[14:39:09] <raptop> darsie:
correct
L149[14:39:35] <raptop> [please note: I am
not a TakeTwo employee, and my comments here are for entertainment
purposes only]
L150[14:39:44] <darsie> :)
L151[14:40:08] <Izaya> it is, however,
that question has been asked 116 times and therefore you need to
wait until early 2023 + 116 months
L152[14:40:46] <darsie> 116 times after
the early 2023 announcement?
L153[14:41:02] <Izaya> (the number 116
obtained by `cd /mnt/znc/esper/#kspofficial; grep -i ksp2 * | wc
-l`, which is obviously ideal methodology)
L154[14:41:43] <darsie> kubi: It's in the
future.
L155[14:41:54] <Izaya> 116 times minus
however long it's been pushed back so far
L156[14:42:00] <Izaya>
s/times/months/
L157[14:42:01] <darsie> ksp2 is short for
konspiracy2.
L158[14:54:02] <Althego> or kerbals steal
pizza
L159[14:55:06] <darsie> One manufacturer
could be kalled Kerbal Space Parts.
L160[14:55:34] <darsie> That was a genuine
typo and I chose not to fix it.
L161[14:57:44] <darsie> Hehe, they could
put a flat planet in KSP2 :)).
L162[14:58:26] <Althego> hehe
L163[14:58:43] <Althego> falt that you
normally dont see it, just outside of the plane of the
planets
L164[15:50:47] <darsie> Will content
created with KSP2 be owned by TakeTwo, Private Division, Squad,
etc?
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L166[17:05:29] <SporkWitch> no way to know
until they publish the EULA
L167[17:05:44] <minas_tirith> darsie, hi
uwu
L168[17:06:15] <SporkWitch> Even then, in
the US at least, I'm pretty sure fair use for making things like
machinima out of it would supersede it. Regardless, no dev sues
individuals for stuff like that, it's terrible PR
L169[17:06:32] <SporkWitch> (what couple
have were rightly eviscerated on the public stage)
L170[17:07:57] <minas_tirith> What is
machinima
L171[17:08:23] <SporkWitch> minas_tirith:
one of the original examples would be the "Red vs Blue"
series using Halo 2
L172[17:08:59] <minas_tirith> I haven't
played halo. but I looked up the definition.
L173[17:09:08] <minas_tirith> I have
encountered this before as gmod funny videos
L174[17:09:19] <SporkWitch> it's making
original content using video games as the animation tool. Another
really good example is "Clear Skies" set in the EVE
Online universe, using a mix of Gary's Mod and EVE Online (the
third in the series, the EVE devs even gave them access to their
official tools they use to make the official trailers)
L175[17:09:35] <minas_tirith> Yes theres a
lot of gmod stuff
L177[17:10:43] <minas_tirith> SporkWitch,
do you watch gmod animations
L178[17:11:16] <SporkWitch> not generally;
i don't seek this stuff out, i've just come across a couple gems
while looking for other stuff relating to what it happened to
use
L179[17:11:34] <SporkWitch> found clear
skies because i was looking up something EVE related. Found that
KSP one because i was looking up something KSP related and stumbled
on it
L180[17:12:31] <minas_tirith> SporkWitch,
I am curious if people make this stuff out of Oblivion
L181[17:12:48] <SporkWitch> search
"elder scrolls oblivion machinima"; i'm sure someone
has
L182[17:13:21] <darsie> hi
minas_tirith
L183[17:13:33] <minas_tirith> darsie, hi
yes
L184[17:13:42] <darsie> Yes, you'll marry
me?
L185[17:14:00] <SporkWitch> oi, why you
movin' in on my girl?
L186[17:14:08] <darsie> She said yes to
me.
L187[17:14:15] <SporkWitch> you tricked
her!
L188[17:14:47] <minas_tirith> darsie, I
accept you for my wife
L189[17:14:53] <darsie> I' male.
L190[17:14:53] <minas_tirith> SporkWitch,
shes mine now
L191[17:14:55] <darsie> m
L192[17:15:00] <minas_tirith> darsie,
ok
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L194[17:15:03] <minas_tirith> I take you
as my husband
L195[17:15:19] <SporkWitch> i relinquish
my claim
L196[17:16:00] <minas_tirith> I don't mind
another husband
L197[17:16:24] <SporkWitch> gettin' your
harem started? lol
L198[17:16:35] <darsie> Will you still
need me, will you still feed me, when I'm 64?
L199[17:16:37] <minas_tirith> There can
never be too much
L200[17:16:49] <minas_tirith> darsie, I
have enough for both and more
L201[17:17:08] <darsie> I'm 1.6 now.
L202[17:17:36] *
minas_tirith semantically versions darsie
L203[17:17:40] <darsie> SporkWitch: Are
you sure she's a girl?
L204[17:17:57] <minas_tirith> Yeah why did
you think I am a girl
L205[17:18:05] <darsie> idk
L206[17:18:33] <SporkWitch> no real way to
guess with minas, but Darsie is typically a woman's name in
english-speaking countries.
L207[17:18:51] <darsie> Darsie is my boy
scout nick. It is derived from Hindi darjee for tailor and Darsie
is a male tailor bird in the Rikki Tikki Tavi tale of the
"Jungle Book" by Rudyard Kipling.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mongoose/rtt.html
L208[17:19:11] <minas_tirith> SporkWitch,
I am a guy
L209[17:19:35] <SporkWitch> neat! no
offense was intended, was simply pointing out why i'd always
assumed you were female lol. Heck, I remember 30 years ago my
mother's friend she would get to babysit sometimes was named Darcy
lol
L210[17:20:20] <minas_tirith> I am not
darsie
L211[17:21:11] <SporkWitch> i couldn't say
why my brain leaned more feminine than masculine, it'd be pure
guesswork, but possibly because my IRC client selected pink for
your name, and the name itself is pretty neutral
L212[17:21:12] <darsie> Did you mean
"I am not, darsie."?
L213[17:21:31] <SporkWitch> (that last is
re: minas)\
L214[17:22:03] <minas_tirith> SporkWitch,
my initial guess for you would be female. Witches are often
female.
L215[17:22:18] <SporkWitch> typically; it
would be a very reasonable assumptionn
L216[17:22:41] <darsie> In German spoons
are male and forks are female. (Knives are neutral.)
L217[17:23:18] <darsie> Göffel are
male.
L218[17:23:43] <SporkWitch> more
interesting is that you have der monde and die sonne; most
mythologies it's the other way around, except norse, and thus the
gendering german still uses today
L219[17:23:51] <darsie> mhm
L220[17:24:11] <darsie> Der Mond, die
Sonne.
L221[17:24:21] <SporkWitch>
entschuldigung
L222[17:24:26] <darsie> ok :)
L223[17:24:39] <minas_tirith> Are you both
german
L224[17:24:47] <darsie> I'm
Austrian.
L225[17:24:54] <minas_tirith> darsie, yeah
same region
L226[17:24:56] <SporkWitch> nein; ich
gewohnt da für 3 jarhe
L227[17:24:59] <minas_tirith> SporkWitch,
does norse have female sun
L228[17:25:12] <SporkWitch> minas_tirith:
inasmuch as it has a story for it, yes
L229[17:25:32] <SporkWitch> norse is often
misrepresented, especially in english. it doesn't actually have
gods, since it's a form of ancestor worship
L230[17:25:49] <SporkWitch> the Aesir
(often misnamed the "norse gods") are literally just
"the elder kin"
L231[17:25:50] <minas_tirith> I see
L232[17:25:54] <minas_tirith> I don't know
anything about norse
L233[17:26:06] <minas_tirith> Do you
follow norse?
L234[17:26:08] <SporkWitch> it's really
cool stuff; 99% of movies and film butcher it
L235[17:26:25] <minas_tirith> TV is a
different issue
L236[17:26:30] <SporkWitch> i did at one
point; i've been an agnostic atheist for a couple decades now
lol
L237[17:26:30] <minas_tirith> Its just
meant for entertainment
L238[17:26:50] <SporkWitch> naw, even the
supposedly "accurate" stuff is REALLY bad *glares at
HISTORY CHANNEL's "vikings" series*
L239[17:26:51] <minas_tirith> Just see any
time tv depicts "middle east" or "china" and so
on
L240[17:27:21] <minas_tirith> Was vikings
meant to be historically accurate?
L241[17:27:26] <SporkWitch> dunno, I
thought Kingdom of Heaven did a fairly decent job of portraying
that era, on both sides
L242[17:28:13] <SporkWitch> minas_tirith:
i don't care what it was supposed to be, it was on THE HISTORY
CHANNEL. Like "Discovery" or "The Learning
Channel." These are supposed to be channels that educate, not
just make things up.
L243[17:28:31] <SporkWitch> Don't even get
me started on History channel doing that Ancient Aliens
nonsense
L244[17:28:39] <minas_tirith> History
channel is Redneck channel
L245[17:29:33] <minas_tirith> TV serials
will always be dramatized
L246[17:29:48] <minas_tirith> One
shouldn't expect the level of accuracy of a textbook from a tv
serial or movie
L247[17:30:35] <minas_tirith> SporkWitch,
and also depends on the country that made the serial and the
national mythology they built up for themselves
L248[17:31:07] <SporkWitch> one shouldn't
expect accuracy from textbooks, either, these days...
L249[17:32:03] *
SporkWitch screams at his bank
L250[17:32:17] <SporkWitch> paycheck just
sitting there pending and not usable! I"VE BEEN OUT OF
CIGARETTES FOR FIVE DAYS
L251[17:34:39] <minas_tirith> Textbooks
are better
L252[17:34:56] <minas_tirith> But we might
have to look at academic papers and stuff
L253[17:35:04] <minas_tirith> A lot of
textbooks also have the national bias problem
L254[17:36:30] <SporkWitch> academic
papers are probably the worst; see the Sokel and Sokel Squared
hoaxes (both set out to prove how broken the peer review process is
by submitting obvious garbage and getting it passed)
L255[17:37:26] <minas_tirith> SporkWitch,
the thing with academic papers is I expect it one place at least
that might try to minimize nationalist bias
L256[17:39:53] <SporkWitch> minas_tirith:
that was one of the fun things about the Sokel Squared one. One of
the papers they got published? Literally an excerpt from a certain
failed artist about his "struggle," they just replaced
uses of "jew" with "white men" and submitted it
to a feminist journal
L257[17:40:13] <SporkWitch> i trust you
understand the euphemisms i just used
L258[17:41:08] <minas_tirith> Mein Kampf
or not is irrelevant. There are some journals who just blindly dump
paers, some of them ask you lots of money for it. Its a business.
Nobody serious trusts those places blindly.
L259[17:41:51] <minas_tirith> History is a
really funny subject. Nationalistic biases can be so funny that two
countries can present the same set of events in completely opposite
manners.
L260[17:41:53] <SporkWitch> this is a
systemic thing in certain "fields" heh; they didn't just
pick random "publish anything" journals, but rather
targeted leading ones in the field to prove that as long as you
made the right party-aligned noises, it'll get through no matter
how evil
L261[17:42:26] <Pinkbeast> This seems
perhaps quite tenuously linked to KSP
L262[17:42:36] <minas_tirith> No serious
journal would just publish a mein kampf with word substitutions.
Even some of the low effort ones do automatic plagiarism
checks.
L263[17:44:09] <SporkWitch> minas_tirith:
that was part of the point of it: there is no such thing as a
serious "feminist" journal lol
L264[17:44:34] <SporkWitch> it really all
just goes back to marxist nonsense, reframed in terms other than
rich-vs-poor
L265[17:44:59] <SporkWitch> how did we end
up on this from kerbals? lol
L266[17:45:00] <minas_tirith> Marxism is
just an economic system
L267[17:45:20] <SporkWitch> it's a lot
more than that, it's functionally a religion, and it tends to kill
people when they try to implement it, heh
L268[17:45:25] <minas_tirith> Generally
only really fucking retarded people usually modern conservatards
try to link it to some grand narrative
L269[17:48:28] <SporkWitch> who said
anythng about a grand narrative? merely pointing out the fact of
what the ideologies are rooted in and the tactics they use. No
grand conspiracy or anything like that, just lots of bad ideas with
similar roots
L270[17:48:53] <SporkWitch> You seem to be
getting a bit heated, however, so perhaps a topic change is in
order
L271[17:49:34] <minas_tirith> I am not
heated
L273[17:49:52] <minas_tirith> I am just
stating where a lot of these completely retarded
"theories" come from
L274[17:50:26] <SporkWitch> well yes, the
retarted ones do very often come from marxism, that's why they're
all indistinguishable from it lol
L275[17:50:47] <minas_tirith> The
retardation usually comes from modern conservatives and similar
idiots.
L276[17:50:57] <minas_tirith> Marxism is
merely an economic system. There is no grand theory to it.
L277[17:51:28] <minas_tirith> I am certain
Marx had some new framings of concepts, the idea of class warfare
probably wasn't put in words any time before
L278[17:51:33] <minas_tirith> But its just
an economic system
L279[17:51:51] <SporkWitch> yes, that is
frequently what cultural marxists try to insist, despite it not
being so
L280[17:52:11] <SporkWitch> There's no
arguing someone out of a religion, though, so nothing to be gained
by this discussion.
L282[17:52:32] <minas_tirith> Some people
are just completely fucked in the head and see "marxism"
everywhere from their dogs poop to their neighbours car.
L283[17:52:35] <Mat2ch> Transporter 5
mission starts in 22 minutes
L284[17:52:38] <minas_tirith> Don't pay
those idiots any attention
L285[17:52:49] <minas_tirith> Define
cultural marxism in your own words
L286[17:53:19] <minas_tirith> If you can't
you were just duped by one of these retards
L287[17:53:47] <minas_tirith> There is no
such thing as cultural marxism
L288[17:54:22] <minas_tirith> Imagine
someone trying to claim something like "cultural
capitalism" and saying all of sociology is "cultural
capitalism". Completely fucking bonkers.
L289[17:54:28] <minas_tirith> These are
just economic systems
L290[17:54:33] <minas_tirith> Not some
grand theory of the universe
L291[17:56:54] <Althego> Mat2ch: i forgot
about the launch
L292[17:57:49] <Althego> minas_tirith: no
politics
L293[17:58:12] <Althego> heh i cant read
back everything
L294[17:58:19] <minas_tirith> Althego, I
didn't bring it up
L295[17:58:41] <minas_tirith> SporkWitch,
its telling you couldn't define whatever this nebulous
"cultural marxism" is. Just put the question back to
whoever taught you this crap, you'll find silence too.
L296[18:06:44] <Mat2ch> Transport 5
mission is on hold
L297[18:08:18] <Althego> yes, stream start
moved peko
L298[18:15:03] *
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L299[18:15:49] <Althego> wall of text, but
there was some politics i think
L300[18:17:46] <raptop> Yeah, there seems
to have been
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L303[18:23:59] <raptop> lo
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L307[18:29:24] <SporkWitch> so this looks
like it'll be kind of neat. Only just started it, but I'm thinking
it'll probably be something related to the rotational speed of the
earth being lower than 1000 MPH
L309[18:31:28] <Mat2ch> 1609.344 km/h or
447.04 m/s
L310[18:31:41] <Mat2ch> SI units. Best
units. Get them now at your local store for free.
L311[18:31:50] <SporkWitch> won't dispute
that :P
L312[18:31:56] <SporkWitch> point stands
:P
L313[18:32:02] <raptop> SR units!
L314[18:32:23] <SporkWitch> seems he's
mostly talking about air resistance, though. Still feel like
rotational speed should be a factor
L315[18:32:35] <Mat2ch> (if you get them
by Tuesday you will get 4.54609 l of free homemade lemonade as
well)
L316[18:32:37] <Althego> for the
wheels
L317[18:32:42] <Althego> hard to make
wheels like that
L318[18:32:50] <Althego> but it is mostly
about air resistance
L319[18:33:25] <Mat2ch> you just have to
make the wheels big enough...
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L321[18:33:57] <SporkWitch> sure, though
the premise of the video is that it's impossible
L322[18:34:36] <Althego> you can fly that
fast
L323[18:34:42] <Althego> so just air
resitance is not enough
L324[18:35:05] <SporkWitch> hence my
thinking earth's rotation comes in somewhere, since it's
specifically about DRIVING 1000 MPH
L325[18:35:37] <SporkWitch> if you leave
the ground, it's not driving anymore :P
L326[18:35:48] <Althego> yes
L327[18:36:01] <Althego> but that shows it
is not just air resistance
L328[18:36:19] <Althego> there are other
problems like stability, long enough straight and smoooth
sruface
L329[18:36:31] <SporkWitch> yup; still
watching the vid, was one of those "fun to guess before
getting the answer" things
L330[18:36:47] <SporkWitch> yeah, that's
why the salt flats ouut in nevada are so popular
L331[18:37:18] <Althego> couldnt watch it
because of the launch
L332[18:37:24] <Althego> jsut looked at
parts of it
L335[19:09:36] *
raptop was expecting a Delta II
L336[19:09:57] <FLHerne> (yes, both of
those are real things built by major companies)
L337[19:10:15] <raptop> heh
L339[19:10:32] <FLHerne> skinniest
rocket
L340[19:16:05] <Pinkbeast> Nah, that's a
drainpipe with delusions of grandeur
L341[19:16:39] <SporkWitch> as long as the
pilot's an Ork, it'll probably work
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L343[19:24:19] <Althego> lol
L344[19:25:21] <SporkWitch> one of the
KSP2 devs compared kerbals to 20k Orks. She's absolutely right, it
explains why this stuff flies! lol
L345[19:25:28] <SporkWitch> *40k
L346[19:26:05] <Althego> hehe
L347[19:26:25] <raptop> yep
L348[19:27:06] <Althego> wooden winged
rocket
L349[19:27:24] <Althego> luxury item hand
crafted to your needs
L350[19:28:14] <SporkWitch> *john hammond
voice* spared no expense
L351[19:28:22] <Althego> hehe
L352[19:28:46] <Althego> except for the
wages of the sysadmin
L353[19:29:38] <SporkWitch> naw, i've
known people like that character. total deadbeat, ensured job
security by making things confusing and inefficient on purpose so
no one else would be able to figure it out
L354[19:30:31] <SporkWitch> Went to uni
with a guy that got hired at nasa basically because he hit a dozen
special class boxes (dude had serious mental and physical issues),
and he BRAGGED about how he did no real work, goofed off all day,
and used nasa's network to pirate movies...
L355[19:30:40] <Althego> relight coming
up
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L360[19:49:57] <Guest38495> is there a mod
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