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L12[03:21:43] <funkenstein> ;mission
L13[03:21:43] <LunchBot> Jeb goes on
strike, claiming that every time he flies his mind is psychically
controlled by giant beings from another universe. Connection is
lost.
L14[03:24:39] <Althego> hehe
L15[03:24:51] <Althego> trying to opress
the trut
L16[03:29:45] <XXCoder> lol
L17[03:29:48] <XXCoder> ;mission
L18[03:29:48] <LunchBot> You call the copse
to report an orchard burglary. You notice the double-space
formatting in ;mission. This messes with you to no end.
L19[03:30:14] <XXCoder> no wonder too.
copse cursed me
L20[03:30:19] <Althego> hehe, i guess there
was sa trailing space in the mission
L21[03:30:29] <Althego> copse hehe
L22[03:33:25] <funkenstein> ;mission
L23[03:33:25] <LunchBot> You tire of
rockets, and decide to launch craft into space with a giant gun.
Cosmic rays strike your eyeballs almost constantly, preventing you
from seeing what actually happened.
L24[03:33:47] <Althego> hehe
L25[03:34:19] <funkenstein> apparently
someone forgot to say "you'll shoot your eye out with cosmic
rays, Jules!"
L26[03:41:49] <funkenstein> ;mission
L27[03:41:49] <LunchBot> You ignite some
mercury thiocyanite as an offering to the Kraken. It is
immeasurably thick! (about 6 centimeters)
L28[03:41:58] <funkenstein> lol
L29[03:43:13] <funkenstein> ;mission
L30[03:43:13] <LunchBot> KSC staff swear
too much on the job. The ops are unsure how to handle it, you are
banned and unbanned repeatedly.
L31[03:43:25] <funkenstein> tracks
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L33[04:03:53] <XXCoder> indeed
L34[04:18:04] <Althego> hehe wait, it is
friday 15th
L35[04:18:06] <Althego> 13th
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L45[06:40:36] <funkenstein> 12th
L46[06:41:21] <Althego> we are well into
13th over here
L47[06:43:20] <XXCoder> very soon 13rd
here
L48[06:51:17] <funkenstein> ;mission add
Ah, Perry the Platypus, your ISP is impeccable...by which I mean
COMPLETELY PECCABLE!
L49[06:51:17] <LunchBot> Added mission: Ah,
Perry the Platypus, your ISP is impeccable...by which I mean
COMPLETELY PECCABLE!
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L67[14:16:15] <Pinkbeast> Once again I
learn that if KSP loads quickly I haven't found some secret sauce
to make it do that, I just accidentally loaded my clean
install
L68[14:16:26] <SporkWitch> lol
L69[14:17:02] <SporkWitch> I have it
installed on a Firecuda 520 nvme drive and have a Ryzen 9 3950x; my
modded install takes around 5 minutes to reach the menu lol
L70[14:17:22] <Pinkbeast> I did not find
moving it off spinning rust improved matters as much as I had
hoped.
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L72[14:18:22] <SporkWitch> for general
loading it'll usually help, but with mods it's CPU and RAM that
make the difference
L73[14:19:10] <SporkWitch> If I took some
time to tweak the timings on my RAM that'd probably make a
difference, but windows is unstable enough as it is, don't wanna
eff with it
L74[14:20:07] <Pinkbeast> I'd be less vexed
by it if it didn't leak memory enough on scene switching I have to
have another 5-minute break every 2-3 hours
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L76[14:21:13] <SporkWitch> i have 128GB of
RAM, I don't worry about memory leaks lol
L77[14:29:26] <Pinkbeast> I... don't
L78[15:01:03] <flayer> i have 12 GB
RAM
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L85[17:08:44] <Pinkbeast> Yeah, with no
mods I get something in that ballpark :-)
L86[17:09:53] <packbart> there is the thing
that KSP only loads one file per graphic frame. it doesn't use
vsync in the loading screen but still the GPU can be a
bottleneck
L87[17:10:23] <packbart> it's especially
noticeable when the framerate is restricted by an external tool
(NVidia settings etc.)
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L90[18:04:49] <Izaya> ... I think mangohud
reports 60 FPS during loading, I'll have to look into disabling
that. It's probably tearfree again >.>
L91[18:05:55] <Izaya> I did find moving KSP
to my SSD helped by 30-50%, but my HDD is SLOW - it's a big SMR
drive
L92[18:06:23] <Izaya> fine for big
sequential reads but terrible for random access (and even worse for
random writes)
L93[18:10:36] <Pinkbeast> Oooh, bad
luck
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L95[18:27:42] <Izaya> btrfs and DM-SMR
drives is a surprisingly good combination but it can't do a lot in
KSP's case :D
L96[18:29:48] <Althego> until you get the
btrfs trnasid verify failed error
L97[18:30:20] <Izaya> ~10 years and no
issues so far
L98[18:30:33] <Pinkbeast> And of course you
have backups
L99[18:30:34] <Althego> i suspect something
happened in bullseye
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L107[18:53:59] <packbart> after some
trouble with btrfs and zfs-on-linux, I went back to good 'ol
ext4
L108[18:56:05] <flayer> i've used ext3 and
ext4
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L111[19:03:04] <packbart> I vaguely
remember ext2
L112[19:03:23] <Izaya> ext4 is the real
"I don't care I just want it to work" answer
L113[19:04:44] <Althego> exactly
L114[19:05:13] <Althego> back in the day
reiserfs was gaining popularity until the creater went to
jail
L115[19:05:31] <Izaya> murdered his wife
or something, right?
L116[19:05:36] <packbart> or because of it
;)
L117[19:05:43] <packbart> I also lost
files with reiserfs and xfs
L118[19:05:55] <Pinkbeast> Much as I
dislike WP vandalism I admit a bit of admiration for whoever kept
editing a column called "murders your wife" into the
table in "list of Unix filesystems"
L119[19:43:16] <raptop> !mission add You
design a custom tech tree based off of the Rockwell Integrated
Development Plan.
L120[19:43:16] <LunchBot> Added mission:
You design a custom tech tree based off of the Rockwell Integrated
Development Plan.
L121[19:43:29] <packbart> !mission
L122[19:43:29] <LunchBot> You decide to
glue a rocket on top of a whale. MOM! Phineas and Ferb are building
a rocket again!
L123[19:43:37] <packbart> figures
L124[19:47:45] <Mat2ch> !mission
L125[19:47:45] <LunchBot> You build an
Alcubierre drive. Oh, they'll be talking about it for years!
L126[19:47:58] <raptop> plausible
L127[19:47:58] <Mat2ch> Light years, to be
precise.
L128[19:48:05] <raptop> (well, not the
drive, but you know...)
L129[19:48:51] <Althego> they are already
talking about that for years
L130[19:49:10] <Mat2ch> But nobody has
built one yet.
L131[19:49:36] <Althego> but however they
reduce the exotic matter requirements, it still needs exotic
matter. unless that one article could be true
L133[20:00:36] <packbart> ugh, yet another
Starlink mission. boooooring! ;)
L134[20:01:07] <packbart> their rockets
never explode on liftoff. lame.
L135[20:01:41] <Pinkbeast> Mat2ch: Well,
it's an interesting mathematical model, not an engineering
problem
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L137[20:15:21] <flayer> ik ben zo
moe
L138[20:16:51] <packbart> try sleep
then
L139[20:18:15] <flayer> already did
L140[20:18:32] <flayer> it doesn't help
._.
L141[20:18:37] <flayer> too stressed
L142[20:19:10] <flayer> it's not right
packbart, and there seems to be so little that can be done about
it
L143[20:20:14] <flayer> but i feel
compelled to try
L144[20:22:07] <packbart> that is a common
condition, I'm afraid
L145[20:23:32] <flayer> how do people deal
with it
L146[20:23:41] <flayer> do they throw
bananas at one another?
L147[20:23:52] *
flayer throws a banana at packbart
L148[20:24:01] <flayer> that does seem to
help, oddly enough
L149[20:24:31] <flayer> thanks for letting
me throw a banana
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L153[20:33:19] <packbart> oh noice
:)
L154[20:34:12] <packbart> The act of
throwing bananae in trying times is generally frowned upon but
quietly accepted in most cultures
L155[20:35:52] <flayer> i get banned from
plenty of places for throwing bananas
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L158[20:46:07] <packbart> "Whosoever
throws banana skins on the sidewalk does a great unkindness to the
public, and is quite likely to be responsible for a broken
limb."
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L161[21:06:18] <Mat2ch> Pinkbeast: at some
point we have to build it and try. Remember the Diesel engine. The
calculations said it will never work...
L162[21:06:37] <Pinkbeast> Right, that's
the sort of misconception common around it.
L163[21:11:36] <Mat2ch> I still think that
a long powerful electro magnet will do the trick. But until I get
my hands on the materials I can't try
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L165[21:14:05] <Pinkbeast> Uh... pretty
sure you can't expect to cook up exotic matter in the squash court,
not that that would help
L166[21:15:50] <Mat2ch> I'm thinking of
another effect. Not the exotic matter.
L167[21:16:00] <Mat2ch> Wasn't the exotic
matter only necessary to generate the power for it?
L168[21:17:32] <Pinkbeast> No idea; FTL +
relativity = causality violation _however you do it_ so the details
of the proposed FTL don't matter.
L169[21:18:27] <Mat2ch> why does it
violate causality?
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L172[21:20:01] <prissy> hello
L173[21:20:10] <Pinkbeast> Hello.
L174[21:20:34] <prissy> please dont mess
with flayer
L175[21:21:08] <Pinkbeast> I think one of
us is confused
L176[21:21:27] <Mat2ch> I think the
argument is wrong.
L177[21:21:42] <Pinkbeast> Mat2ch: Well,
you're mistaken.
L178[21:22:10] <Pinkbeast> If you're lucky
you can scroll through the comments and find someone else making
the same mistake and an explanation of why it's a mistake.
L179[21:26:41] <Mat2ch> The problem is
that special relativity doesn't match up with quantum mechanics and
that is probably why it is wrong. Just a feeling here, to annoy
physicists :D
L180[21:27:14] <Mat2ch> and it's too late,
too warm and I had not enough sleep for weeks to go further into
it, sadly.
L181[21:27:31] <Pinkbeast> Ah, "not
relativity". But that doesn't contradict "FTL +
relativity = causality violation"...
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L183[21:28:09] <Mat2ch> right
L184[21:28:31] <Mat2ch> For some reason I
think relativity is missing something.
L185[21:28:59] <Pinkbeast> But the effects
discussed in that argument are very well supported by
observation.
L186[21:29:23] <Pinkbeast> (I mean, I
don't really believe in all this spooky dark matter buzzing about
the universe)
L187[21:30:03] <Mat2ch> yes, that's why
I'm thinking we are missing something in the equations. Something
important.
L188[21:30:07] <packbart> Down with
causality, I say! What good has it ever done for us?
L189[21:30:29] <Mat2ch> and when we find
it, we might get a way to travel faster than light.
L190[21:30:33] <Pinkbeast> Mat2ch: What
I'm saying is _even if_ relativity does give, it seems unlikely to
give in ways that would invalidate that argument.
L191[21:31:17] <Pinkbeast> In the same way
that Newtonian mechanics gave, but the EMDrive is still
bogus.
L192[21:36:27] <Mat2ch> I really wish that
Mike McCulloch wouldn't be such a nagger. Because I haven't seen
anyone rebut his idea in a good fashion. (because nobody seems to
want to talk to him...)
L193[21:37:44] <Mat2ch> oh, and all the
conspiracy theories...
L194[21:37:58] <Mat2ch> For is QI stuff he
at least has some formulas
L195[21:38:51] <Mat2ch> but on the other
hand, Noam Chomsky is lately going down that road, too
L196[21:39:31] <Pinkbeast> So uh
"who's Mike McCulloch?" -> "fossil fuel burning
civilisation around 10k BC" -> o rly
L198[21:42:11] <Mat2ch> He's the mind
behind the QI theory. And there's a thrust now using that. And they
have tested it in space?!
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L202[21:43:02] <Mat2ch> *thruster
L203[21:43:19] <Pinkbeast> "under the
conditions it will see in space", 45mN. This is just the
EMDrive over again.
L204[21:43:53] <Mat2ch> ah, yes, found
another article.
L205[21:44:12] <Mat2ch> There they said
it's going to be in space. Well. I wonder if it works there.
L206[21:44:39] <Mat2ch> Nobody tried the
EMDrive in space yet. I hope it launches soon, will end all the
discussions.
L207[21:46:22] <Pinkbeast> as RationalWiki
puts it "Although the magnitude of the effect is one that
should be easily measurable, being far larger than the
gravitational forces measured in the Cavendish experiment over 200
years ago"
L209[21:49:51] <Mat2ch> well, I like doing
experiments. It's an easy way to falsify claims.
L210[21:50:04] <Pinkbeast>
https://ivolimited.us/technology/ "Exclusively
using the electric field, CBAT safely transmits power, making EMF
radiation, harmful lasers and concentrated RF a thing of the
past." using the electric field without EMF, huh? Pretty sure
these are charlatans not sadly deluded.
L211[21:50:24] <Mat2ch> If the thruster
works on a satellite and can help it station keeping, it will be
great. If it doesn't work, we know there has to be an error
somewhere.
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L213[21:50:56] <Mat2ch> The IVO thruster
was tested by an independent test organization. They can make
mistakes, but it's different from the original EMDrive.
L214[21:51:32] <Pinkbeast> Well, except
inasmuch as the original EMDrive also relied on there being subtle
ways to make errors in testing.
L215[21:52:16] <packbart> Mat2ch: the
paper claims that it would only deliver any thrust due to the
Earth's magnetic, even after accounting for measuremenet errors
introduced by the electronics
L216[21:52:30] <packbart> at least that's
my tl;dr reading of the conclusion
L217[21:52:49] <Mat2ch> The paper is from
2018 on a different thing.
L218[21:52:51] <Pinkbeast> (also IDK about
you but if I had a reactionless thruster I'd wire up two of them to
a generator and start selling electricity. But if I was a
charlatan, I'd concentrate on the space application because it's
much harder to test things in space.)
L219[21:53:09] <Mat2ch> Reactionless
doesn't mean powerless.
L220[21:53:21] <Pinkbeast> I'm cognisant
of that, yes.
L221[21:54:14] <Mat2ch> They are only
violating a few principles...
L222[21:54:35] <Pinkbeast> (But if you go
fast enough the increase in KE is over-unity and the claims here
make "fast enough" quite a modest speed)
L223[21:55:32] <Mat2ch> I'm looking
forward to the test. Will be at least an interesting thing to
watch.
L225[21:56:00] <packbart> but yeah, send
it up, see what happens. all it needs is funding ;)
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L227[21:56:57] <Pinkbeast> funding> any
day now, your Majesty, I will turn lead into gold, I just need a
bit more gold for chemicals :-)
L228[21:57:51] <packbart> *vacuum
intensifies*
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L233[23:13:42] <Izaya> Could also have
been mangohud artificially limiting the framerate
L234[23:14:35] <Izaya> but I'm getting
like 1000FPS on the loading screen and it's a hell of a lot faster
now >.>
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L236[23:23:48] <Pinkbeast> Hm, didn't seem
to make much difference to me but I don't think it was loading 85
parts/sec anyway
L237[23:35:41] <Izaya> Why does my Mun
look muddy and poorly formed, like it's melted, from orbit?
L238[23:36:20] <Pinkbeast> Misbehaving
visuals mod?
L239[23:36:32] <Izaya> maybe
L240[23:36:42] <Izaya> I'll try that one
graphics setting
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L245[23:44:49] <Izaya> Kerbin looks
fine
L246[23:45:25] <Pinkbeast> I'm afraid
neither do I.
L247[23:47:33] <Izaya> additionally,
sometimes my orbits shake a little in the map view
L248[23:47:53] <Izaya> it doesn't seem to
actually do anything so I've been ignoring it but that's also a fun
thing I've run into
L249[23:47:58] <Pinkbeast> I've seen that
when HyperEdit creates confusion about being landed or not, but no
idea if you have the same cause.
L250[23:48:57] <Izaya> Might be kOS
induced then
L251[23:49:16] <Izaya> I've had a
spacecraft do orbital rendezvous while "landed at
LaunchPad" before
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