OCLogs: 2022-04-28.log

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L6[00:41:28] * raptop checks on Izaya's KSP stream, and is confused that it appears to be about coding

L7[00:42:05] <Izaya> gotta modify the contract to support SSPX labs

L8[00:44:08] <Izaya> https://lainchan.org/stream for anyone interested, see also https://peertube.bubbletea.dev/c/izaya_channel/ for previous highlights

L9[01:14:08] <raptop> vague name suggestion: запад (west)

L10[01:15:26] <Izaya> best I've gotten so far

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L13[01:49:39] <raptop> apropos nothing, this was a fun flag to make https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRZQC97WQAI26ti?format=png

L14[01:57:16] <Izaya> I like that.

L15[01:58:04] <Izaya> There's one flag in Stellaris that I can't help but see as a warning symbol for antimatter containment

L16[01:59:54] <raptop> Heh

L17[02:03:53] <Izaya> the one on here http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/antimatterfuel.php

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L20[02:49:39] <raptop> Huh, those are some cool missions

L21[03:16:01] <Izaya> Mod idea: Large volume variable usage habitation modules.

L22[03:16:24] <Izaya> So you can slap down a big 2.5m habitat module then balance science, command, and living quarters inside it without using multiple parts.

L23[03:22:23] <raptop> Something something procedural internals (I'm not saying that this exists)

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L30[05:00:22] <funkenstein> @raptop it looks as if the flag of new mexico gained a sparrow and some communism

L31[05:00:56] <funkenstein> ;mission add You add some communism.

L32[05:00:56] <LunchBot> Added mission: You add some communism.

L33[05:01:03] <funkenstein> ;mission

L34[05:01:03] <LunchBot> You speak cyrillic, whatever that may mean. Bill has a luncheon-meat-induced seizure.

L35[05:01:09] <funkenstein> lol

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L37[05:03:53] <funkenstein> ;outcome add Cyril is disappointed in your abilities.

L38[05:03:53] <LunchBot> Added outcome: Cyril is disappointed in your abilities.

L39[05:04:25] <Althego> what about methodius?

L40[05:05:43] <funkenstein> he confused "apostle" with "a pestle"

L41[05:05:51] <funkenstein> now e's been grounded

L42[05:06:14] <funkenstein> [facepalm alert]

L43[05:10:13] <XXCoder> ;mission

L44[05:10:13] <LunchBot> You sell your soul to The Kraken. You end up with blisters on your hands and a sick feeling in your stomach.

L45[05:10:28] <XXCoder> man soul extraction must have been rough on me

L46[05:14:02] <UmbralRaptop> funkenstein: Well, it's the flag of a city in New Mexico minus some letters

L47[05:14:29] <UmbralRaptop> (Albuquerque)

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L54[08:18:42] <Althego> https://nitter.net/NASAJPL/status/1519401118152888321#m

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L56[08:54:13] <Izaya> https://shadowkat.net/tmp/c6d6.webm

L57[09:02:12] <Mat2ch> self destruct...

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L60[09:21:57] <Mat2ch> I like that SpaceX is repairing B7. I would do the same. Because it could be necessary to repair a booster in the future as well and now you can test things. Also it will show the advantages of steel and a welder.

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L63[10:05:59] <trace987> why don't you build rockets like this: https://heise.cloudimg.io/v7/_www-heise-de_/imgs/18/3/5/3/0/3/5/6/10-Gesundheit-5G.jpg-0996569d2fd04e58.jpeg?org_if_sml=1&q=50&width=516

L64[10:06:15] <Althego> lol

L65[10:06:40] <Althego> this is a mobile phone base station

L66[10:07:29] <trace987> yes

L67[10:07:35] <Mat2ch> Drag.

L68[10:07:40] <trace987> but I saw it and then this idea came to me

L69[10:07:48] <Mat2ch> The struts between the four boosters create a lot of drag.

L70[10:08:08] <Mat2ch> If you strap them together in one housing it will be much more efficient.

L71[10:08:22] <Mat2ch> More efficient means higher orbits or higher payloads.

L72[10:08:44] <Mat2ch> But, uh, I've built things like this in KSP. But KSP is easy compared to the real world. :D

L73[10:09:54] <trace987> would it make sense to have rockets like this more distantly

L74[10:10:06] <trace987> besides your point why not

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L76[10:10:21] <Mat2ch> Not really.

L77[10:10:36] <Mat2ch> Packing them away in such a manner can be more problematic.

L78[10:10:53] <Mat2ch> Look for example at a Falcon 9. If one of its engines fails it still can get to orbit.

L79[10:11:17] <Mat2ch> But if one engine of that other design fails you have very very uneven thrust and will loose the rocket

L80[10:13:01] <trace987> maybe you want to bring something in space, that is tall

L81[10:13:14] <trace987> as a seldom use case

L82[10:13:32] <trace987> could this use case exist?

L83[10:13:35] <Mat2ch> Too expensive to develop a launcher just for that occasion. Better assemble the tall thing in space.

L84[10:14:11] <trace987> yes

L85[10:14:21] <trace987> are there tall things that can never be assembled in space

L86[10:14:21] <Mat2ch> Usually stuff you want to send to space is expensive. So you want to have a reliable rocket to get it there.

L87[10:14:46] <Mat2ch> And reliablity means you have to do a lot of tests first.

L88[10:14:55] <trace987> I think maybe in space can be more assembled that on earth, generally

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L90[10:15:25] <Mat2ch> Which are all expensive and only worth doing, if you use the rocket afterwards for many many flights to distribute the costs of development

L91[10:15:37] <Mat2ch> Gravity can be a pain, yes.

L92[10:15:55] <Mat2ch> There are proposales for building (welding!) huge things in space.

L93[10:16:02] <Mat2ch> Like space stations

L94[10:16:10] <trace987> you can construct this construction by having so many rockets, that, if one does not work, the other one help

L95[10:16:55] <Mat2ch> There are several ways to assemble things in space. Have a look at the ISS. They sent up modules and docked them together.

L96[10:17:05] <trace987> and with lots of rockets it is going to be easier to reuse this all

L97[10:17:20] <trace987> yes, I think in space can be even more assembled than on earth

L98[10:17:38] <Mat2ch> Exactly. SpaceX is doing that right now. Developing a huge launcher. We are only at the beginning to understand what we will be able to do with it.

L99[10:18:25] <trace987> do you have pictures or else?

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L101[10:20:39] <Mat2ch> Have a look at this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starship

L102[10:20:59] <trace987> ah, you mean what many know

L103[10:21:01] <Mat2ch> Probably going to be the biggest conventional rocket humanity will ever built.

L104[10:21:45] <Mat2ch> Maybe (I can't say how likely this is) we will have bigger rockets someday. But Starship is on the edge what's possible.

L105[10:21:56] <trace987> I discuss my idea, not because I want it this way, but to think about things that are uncommon to get new ideas

L106[10:23:42] <Mat2ch> That's great! Keep on having ideas :)

L107[10:23:52] <trace987> :)

L108[10:24:22] <Mat2ch> There are reasons for some things how they are. But other things are the way they are just because nobody ever thought about an improvement

L109[10:24:38] <trace987> exactly

L110[10:25:28] <FLHerne> trace987: the only serious rocket like that I can think of was a proposed Shuttle derivative using three SRBs

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L112[10:26:11] <FLHerne> (one in place of the Shuttle orbiter/external tank)

L113[10:26:32] <Izaya> ah yes, the SSS variant of the SLS

L114[10:26:56] <Izaya> personally I like the

L115[10:26:58] <Izaya> S

L116[10:27:00] <Izaya> SSS

L117[10:27:02] <Izaya> SSSSS

L118[10:27:24] <Izaya> though the L/SSS is good too

L119[10:27:35] <FLHerne> SRB-X https://up-ship.com/blog/?p=16859

L120[10:27:49] <FLHerne> it would have had widely-spaced SRBs to match the existing launch platform

L121[10:28:10] <Izaya> looks like that first warp spaceship from star trek

L122[10:29:16] <Izaya> hm, I can't find the SLS mashup picture now. A shame.

L123[10:29:25] <FLHerne> other than that, which is generally conceded to be a bad idea, it doesn't make much sense

L124[10:29:30] <UmbralRaptop> Ah, yes, that cursed thing

L125[10:29:36] <FLHerne> you're adding a lot of structural mass and drag

L126[10:30:17] <FLHerne> the only benefit I can think of is that with many *really* widely-spaced cores you might have redundancy against one going kablooie

L127[10:30:39] <FLHerne> but then you're really launching a forest of rockets that happen to be tied together, and it's completely ridiculous

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L138[12:58:06] <Althego> zombanwa sortof

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L165[17:48:23] <funkenstein> ;mission

L166[17:48:24] <LunchBot> You switch the safeties off for an experiment. A sand fire rages out of control.

L167[17:50:07] <raptop> This is all your fault

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L169[18:03:12] <XXCoder> sand fire ow lol

L170[18:03:14] <XXCoder> ;mission

L171[18:03:15] <LunchBot> You sleep through a lecture in the Kerbal Institute of Engineering. B787_300 spontaneously combusts.

L172[18:03:31] <XXCoder> damn i forgot to pay attention to status of that

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L174[18:21:13] <raptop> And that's why he's no longer a boeing

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L188[20:45:23] <FLHerne> ;mission add Kerbal society converts to flayerism.

L189[20:45:23] <LunchBot> Added mission: Kerbal society converts to flayerism.

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L194[21:02:46] <Mat2ch> !mission

L195[21:02:46] <LunchBot> You attempt to build a ship in a magnetic bottle. Upon pressing the mission button, a pie pops out and hits you in the face.

L196[21:03:39] <Mat2ch> I'd like to have cake now.

L197[21:08:30] * raptop throws a type II pie at Mat2ch, then

L198[21:10:40] <Mat2ch> that one gave me diabetes.

L199[22:02:40] <funkenstein> ;mission add NEPTR enters the cat

L200[22:02:40] <LunchBot> Added mission: NEPTR enters the cat

L201[22:02:42] <funkenstein> chat

L202[22:03:06] <funkenstein> ;fixup s/cat/chat/

L203[22:03:23] <raptop> NEPTR?

L204[22:03:30] <funkenstein> ;mission fixup s/cat/chat/

L205[22:03:30] <LunchBot> New text is: NEPTR enters the chat

L206[22:03:48] <funkenstein> Never-Ending Pie Throwing Robot

L207[22:03:57] <raptop> o_O

L208[22:04:06] <funkenstein> hehehe

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L210[22:06:27] <FLHerne> .nextlunch cake

L211[22:06:27] <LunchBot> Enough pancakes to deplete the Canadians' strategic butter and maple syrup reserves.

L212[22:06:31] <FLHerne> hm

L213[22:06:36] <FLHerne> are pancakes cake?

L214[22:06:41] <funkenstein> yes

L215[22:07:04] <funkenstein> also scones can be cakes

L216[22:07:18] <funkenstein> ;mission

L217[22:07:19] <LunchBot> You flirt shamelessly with Jool during the capture burn. You fail to fail this mission.

L218[22:07:30] <funkenstein> ..how?

L219[22:07:34] <funkenstein> ;mission

L220[22:07:34] <LunchBot> You attempt to fix all grammatical errors in kmath's missions. You come back with chocolate.

L221[22:08:33] <raptop> !mission

L222[22:08:34] <LunchBot> You violate the cosmic censorship principle. Icefire explodes, emitting all kinds of deadly kmaths.

L223[22:08:46] * raptop presses F to pay respects for kmath

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L225[22:33:20] <raptop> !mission add You replace the mystery goo with LCL.

L226[22:33:21] <LunchBot> Added mission: You replace the mystery goo with LCL.

L227[22:33:25] <raptop> !outcome evas

L228[22:33:25] <LunchBot> Your confusion of EVAs with Evas causes many mental problems for your crew.

L229[22:37:48] <Izaya> wish there were some less ... involved weapons mods

L230[22:38:17] <Izaya> but I guess an SRB with a kOS module and probe core is basically a missile

L231[22:39:52] <raptop> heh

L232[22:40:51] <raptop> On an unrelated note: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j8EprZP4IE

L233[23:03:52] <Izaya> is this like Seconds From Disaster but for chemistry?

L234[23:05:00] <raptop> Unsure. Was Second From Disaster made by the NTSB as a complement to their more normal reports?

L235[23:05:31] <Izaya> I don't believe so :p

L236[23:07:07] <Izaya> Feels like the right genre though.

L237[23:07:28] <raptop> pretty much yeah

L238[23:07:49] <raptop> !outcome the csb

L239[23:07:49] <LunchBot> The CSB has determined that this was the decision that ultimately led to so much death and destruction.

L240[23:09:24] ⇦ Quits: jazzkutya (~jazzkutya@catv-80-98-152-150.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu) (Quit: Leaving)

L241[23:11:23] <Izaya> faux-SFM is an aesthetic too