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L13[02:40:19] <funkenstein> is 200 dv enough to return from duna

L14[02:40:26] <funkenstein> *2000

L15[02:40:57] <funkenstein> I would think it would be *just* enough

L16[02:44:27] <raptop> ask the walrus?

L17[02:44:57] <raptop> ah, it's right at the edge

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L19[02:50:31] <funkenstein> I'm not sure how to reverse the walrus, is it exactly the same ither way

L20[02:54:26] <funkenstein> You invent another clever name that #KSPOfficial should be renamed to. Oh no, it worked.

L21[02:54:34] <funkenstein> has to be my favorite lunch so far

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L25[03:13:02] <funkenstein> so I designed a rocket to ge to the mun, landed neatly then gently tilted over several times, tried for duna and almost made it but lacked the necessary amount of parachutes

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L27[03:14:19] <Althego> it is hard to land on duna with parachutes

L28[03:14:33] <darsie> short landing burn

L29[03:14:39] <Althego> basically they are never enough

L30[03:15:10] <darsie> Sacrificial struts

L31[03:15:12] <Althego> so i useually use parachutes just to slow down and land on engine

L32[03:15:45] <funkenstein> yes, but since I hadn't really planned for duna I had 4 chutes and 2300 dv

L33[03:15:56] <funkenstein> and I need 2000 to get back

L34[03:16:14] <funkenstein> marcy likes her margins lol

L35[03:17:20] <darsie> funkenstein: delta-v map (topic) says 2060-2070 m/s. It's probably possible with less.

L36[03:18:09] <funkenstein> I must have misread the map... I hought it said 1800?

L37[03:18:44] <darsie> 1450+360+250+up to 10

L38[03:19:18] <darsie> Ascent is usually generous in the maps.

L39[03:20:08] <darsie> https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png

L40[03:21:43] <darsie> I've done ascents from Kerbin in about 2950 m/s, IIRC, with a purpose built rocket for that.

L41[03:22:22] <funkenstein> that's a totally different walrus than I was viewing

L42[03:23:31] <darsie> gn

L43[03:23:49] <funkenstein> according to this one I was 600 in excess

L44[03:23:53] <funkenstein> night

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L46[03:35:36] <funkenstein> is my ineptitude bothering irc

L47[03:36:06] <funkenstein> I hope it isn't and should it be so I am sorry

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L61[09:07:53] <funkenstein> would the better science be taken fom Ike, or duna?

L62[09:08:43] <packbart> both ;)

L63[09:09:07] <Althego> https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Science#Celestial_body_multipliers

L64[09:09:23] <Althego> probably more science on duna anyway

L65[09:09:24] <packbart> ah, right. I was just typing about that but didn't have the link

L66[09:09:28] <Althego> atmosphere stuff, etc

L67[09:09:42] <Althego> but if you are already there you can collect soem from ike

L68[09:10:23] <funkenstein> I'm at Ike, but only for an assist to land on duna

L69[09:10:45] <funkenstein> i was just wondering if landing at Ike would be better, but it seems to be about the same'

L70[09:11:14] <SporkWitch> ike should be easier, since much lower gravity

L71[09:11:22] <funkenstein> I have a 127k pe at ike, and 500 at duna

L72[09:11:36] <funkenstein> ike it is, then

L73[09:11:47] <funkenstein> I shall do the liking of ike

L74[09:12:00] <SporkWitch> can always make a quicksave, try for duna, and if you can't manage it and a return, do ike instead. duna will be worth a lot more science

L75[09:12:35] <funkenstein> that is what my question was in the first place haha

L76[09:13:05] <funkenstein> funny, I quicksave constantly in sandbox yet keep forgetting in science mode

L77[09:13:42] <funkenstein> (mostly to keep from losing jeb, it's just not the same with other pilots)

L78[09:13:57] <SporkWitch> default settings they're "found" after a few days, they don't permanently die

L79[09:15:21] <funkenstein> oh

L80[09:15:38] <funkenstein> I've been worrying for no reason, then.

L81[09:16:12] <funkenstein> I think it's rather funny that landing on the mun annoyed me so I skipped straight to duna

L82[09:17:03] <SporkWitch> i'm with ya; mun's a PITA. Higher gravity and far fewer flat areas than minmus. Minmus is just much easier, and yet worth more science by a little bit

L83[09:17:19] <SporkWitch> Minmus is also just more useful as a staging area, since that tiny gravity well makes it perfect for a fuel depot

L84[09:17:47] <funkenstein> ^-^

L85[09:18:13] <funkenstein> through no fault of my own, I am landing directly at the top of the ice cap

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L88[09:22:14] <funkenstein> my chutes worked, but i think 1675 dv is low

L89[09:23:01] <funkenstein> ah, success, apart from blowing my engine off

L90[09:27:35] <funkenstein> erhishsh

L91[09:27:42] <funkenstein> landed on my side again

L92[09:28:14] <funkenstein> without damage

L93[09:28:50] <funkenstein> I'm not sure what I'm doing so wrong

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L95[09:33:52] <funkenstein> and this time I just crashed

L96[09:48:32] <funkenstein> I can now return to kerbin

L97[09:48:36] <funkenstein> in seven years

L98[10:06:08] <funkenstein> 0 science for a temperature scan?!

L99[10:07:48] <funkenstein> I decided to activate infinite propellant for the spare 148 dv I required

L100[10:08:42] <funkenstein> I feel like such a cheat

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L111[10:45:54] <packbart> nah, that's totally fine

L112[10:59:24] <FLHerne> Your ineptitude is on-topic, which is sadly rare these days

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L114[10:59:36] <FLHerne> so no it isn't bothering :D

L115[11:00:08] <FLHerne> ;outcome add All your questions about Kerbal anatomy are answered at once.

L116[11:00:09] <LunchBot> FLHerne: Added outcome: All your questions about Kerbal anatomy are answered at once.

L117[11:03:57] <packbart> tmi :)

L118[11:06:13] <FLHerne> not what I meant probably, but lol

L119[11:22:55] <Mat2ch> !mission

L120[11:22:56] <LunchBot> Mat2ch: You start your Munar insertion burn 70 degrees below the horizon. The VAB explodes for "No apparent reason"

L121[11:23:05] <Mat2ch> Happens.

L122[11:23:14] <Althego> hehe

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L125[11:38:02] <Althego> local leet time

L126[11:38:06] <Althego> oh no

L127[11:39:00] <Mat2ch> Local yeet time!

L128[11:39:33] <Althego> anyway it was before i started typing

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L132[12:07:29] <funkenstein> wow

L133[12:07:31] <funkenstein> lol

L134[12:07:35] <darsie> .

L135[12:08:06] <funkenstein> thank you, also I did not need the mental images that outcome produced

L136[12:08:28] <darsie> funkenstein: How was your Duna mission?

L137[12:08:44] <funkenstein> yesterday it was 78 degrees out, now itt is snowing heavily

L138[12:10:02] <funkenstein> darsie I continually landed on my side, so I tried ike, then my maneuver back was either 16 years or seven, and the seven year option required 148 more dv than I had

L139[12:10:26] <Althego> i assume that is in fahrenheit

L140[12:10:56] <funkenstein> so I used infinite propellant and got back in 300 days, and now I feel like I can't continue the science mode playthrough because I have 500 science i shouldn't rightly have access to

L141[12:11:10] <Althego> hehe

L142[12:11:20] <darsie> funkenstein: Load a previous save.

L143[12:11:22] <Althego> you can harvest thousands from minmus

L144[12:11:25] <funkenstein> WHAT

L145[12:11:39] <Althego> so 500 is like nothing

L146[12:11:53] <darsie> You can complete the tech tree with just going to Minmus.

L147[12:12:03] <funkenstein> wow

L148[12:12:11] <Althego> it has lot of biomes

L149[12:12:12] <darsie> But it's half as fun.

L150[12:12:17] <funkenstein> I feel...sad

L151[12:12:17] <Althego> you can hop through all with all the experiments

L152[12:12:20] <Althego> twice

L153[12:12:28] <darsie> You miss out on Jool and Eeloo.

L154[12:12:45] <funkenstein> currently I'm still working with the science jr as my most advanced science experiment

L155[12:12:47] <Althego> the jool system is an experience, a sub-game on its own

L156[12:13:16] <Althego> i always take new science equipment as fast as i can. because what i spend on it, is quickly returned

L157[12:13:33] <darsie> Should I tell her how to make the money to fully upgrade all buildings?

L158[12:13:51] <Althego> you can just mine the launc hpad

L159[12:14:00] <funkenstein> I wish I could skim the outer layers of jool to analyze the gases

L160[12:14:57] <funkenstein> I tried to get as much science from the KSC as possible, and with my current equipment I managed a total of five-hundred forty-something

L161[12:15:08] <darsie> nice

L162[12:15:16] <darsie> tedious, though.

L163[12:15:38] <funkenstein> very, especially since my rovers all exploded coming off of the runway

L164[12:15:48] <Althego> also you get more mini biomes as you upgrade the buildings

L165[12:16:00] <darsie> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/off_of#Usage_notes

L166[12:16:04] <funkenstein> so I tried a pop-up-parachute-onto-a-building method

L167[12:16:24] <funkenstein> i thought buildings were upgraded already in science mode

L168[12:16:40] <funkenstein> they are I just looked

L169[12:17:06] <Althego> ah yes sciencem ode, i never used that

L170[12:17:24] <funkenstein> ah

L171[12:17:42] <Althego> i was thinking in terms of career mode

L172[12:17:53] <funkenstein> i bankrupted myself before getting to the third tier in career\

L173[12:18:14] <darsie> I did that, too, in my first game.

L174[12:18:14] <Althego> just keep some cash reserve all the time

L175[12:18:54] <funkenstein> easier said than done, I started trading science for cash and still went uh

L176[12:19:01] <funkenstein> spacesuit-front up

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L178[12:40:15] <sandbox> I was eating pasta when 1337 hit

L179[12:50:58] <funkenstein> leetguini?

L180[12:52:02] <funkenstein> If I wanted to efficiently gather science from kerbin and minmus, would rovers with a good deal of power generation and large antennae serve that purpose?

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L182[13:12:31] <packbart> with relay sats, the antenna doesn't need to be large

L183[13:13:24] <packbart> https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/kspr.jpg is one of my basic rover platforms

L184[13:16:08] <packbart> and then I use BonVoyage to drive from biome to biome

L185[13:16:13] <funkenstein> by large, I mean larger than a communotron 16s

L186[13:16:27] <funkenstein> you use...what?

L187[13:16:54] <funkenstein> also, how do you get the tron suits

L188[13:17:25] <packbart> those come with the Breaking Ground DLC (called "future suit")

L189[13:17:40] <packbart> BonVoyage is a mod that drives rovers in the background over long distances

L190[13:18:20] <funkenstein> I have breaking ground, i don't see the suits

L191[13:18:35] <packbart> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/172447-ksp-1121-bon-voyage-140-2021-07-08/

L192[13:19:25] <packbart> hm. I'm at the office right now and can't check but you should be able to select them from the suit selector thingy

L193[13:19:39] <funkenstein> additionally, CKAN keeps telling me mods are already cached and installed when they most definitely are not

L194[13:19:50] <packbart> (tbh, I use yet another mod that - among other things - sets the future suit as default)

L195[13:19:54] <funkenstein> there's a suit selector thingy?

L196[13:20:40] <packbart> yes, there is: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/194777-ksp-loading-preview-suit-picker/

L197[13:21:27] <packbart> and there's also the clothes hanger icon in the Kerbal profiles (in the VAB or Astronaut Complex)

L198[13:21:31] <funkenstein> I figured it out right as you sent that

L199[13:21:53] <funkenstein> CKAN is my main complaint for the moment

L200[13:23:06] <packbart> hm. I didn't have problems with it so far

L201[13:28:43] <funkenstein> I'm now color coding my kerbals by type and what I consider to be quality'

L202[13:29:27] <funkenstein> e.g. if they have high courage and minimal stupidity, blue future suit, with whatever lighting applies to their expertise

L203[13:31:01] <packbart> I'm sticking to good ol (TNG) Star Trek Rules. Pilots red, engineers yellow, scientists blue, tourists white

L204[13:31:29] <funkenstein> I haven't got tourists

L205[13:32:15] <funkenstein> also I have only watched the trek from 66 with nemoy and shiester

L206[13:33:48] <packbart> ah. they had the red and yellow suits swapped vs the later TNG

L207[13:34:45] <funkenstein> do you know if there is a setting to turn off specifically the assembly music, my partner justold me to "shut the kerbal so I can sleep"

L208[13:35:04] <funkenstein> I glanced around and did not see one

L209[13:37:18] <packbart> hm. good question. of course there's another mod to change the music completely (and situation-dependent) - but I'm not sure if stock can mute music per scene

L210[13:37:43] <packbart> ( https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/191467-112x-soundtrack-editor-forked/ )

L211[13:38:14] <packbart> I usually turn off all the music (in all games ;)

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L214[13:39:06] <funkenstein> https://pastebin.com/aqSvMz52

L215[13:39:16] <funkenstein> this is what I encounter

L216[13:39:50] <funkenstein> it insists that they are cached and will not install them, yet they are not in the game at all

L217[13:40:24] <packbart> huh. interesting. did you install anything manually? tbh, I'd try to (re)move the offending DLL and try again. I can't remember having that particular problem, though

L218[13:40:59] <packbart> (cached) just means that the packages has been downloaded to CKAN's cache directory and doesn't need to be downloaded again

L219[13:41:10] <funkenstein> I didn't

L220[13:41:19] <funkenstein> what is a DLL

L221[13:41:36] <packbart> the file GameData/NearFutureElectrical/Plugins/NearFutureElectrical.dll

L222[13:41:43] <funkenstein> ah

L223[13:41:52] <funkenstein> I just hit purge contents

L224[13:41:56] <packbart> (and DLL means "Dynamic Link Library")

L225[13:43:04] <Althego> *keikaku means plan :)

L226[13:44:19] <packbart> if all else fails, I'd try asking in the CKAN thread: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/197082-x

L227[13:46:00] <funkenstein> I tried the thread and it wouldn't let me post without going to a blocked site

L228[13:46:40] <packbart> hm. wat

L229[13:51:47] <funkenstein> fixed it, ish

L230[13:52:00] <funkenstein> now all the near future mods are restricted?

L231[13:52:09] <packbart> restricted to what?

L232[13:52:13] <funkenstein> uhh

L233[13:52:26] <funkenstein> I cannot download them for there is no option to at all

L234[13:53:12] <packbart> oddski. maybe something about "compatible versions"? Nertea's mod should all be updated to 1.12 by now, though

L235[13:53:38] <funkenstein> they are, it just shows " - " where the download box is

L236[13:53:46] <funkenstein> I can only load cores

L237[13:55:08] <packbart> hm. weird. I can't check my CKAN install right now

L238[13:55:37] <packbart> but yeah, maybe ask in the CKAN thread with screenshots

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L245[16:00:03] <funkenstein> 10cm of snow a day apart from a 26C day

L246[16:00:10] <funkenstein> wild

L247[16:00:35] <funkenstein> which makes me wonder (and hope) whether or not there will be weather in KSP2

L248[16:02:16] <darsie> Wind, Sun, rain, clouds, snow, hail, humidity/icing, temperature.

L249[16:02:46] <darsie> Aircraft induced turbulence

L250[16:03:40] <darsie> sonic booms

L251[16:07:41] <Mat2ch> funkenstein: at least clouds will be in it

L252[16:07:56] <funkenstein> yess

L253[16:08:14] <funkenstein> sandstorms, tornadoes, hurricanes, geysers

L254[16:08:23] <funkenstein> volcanic ACTIVITY

L255[16:17:24] <Mat2ch> !mission add You attempt to land in an active vulcano.

L256[16:17:24] <LunchBot> Mat2ch: Added mission: You attempt to land in an active vulcano.

L257[16:18:39] <Mat2ch> !mission fixup s/vulcano/volcano/

L258[16:18:39] <LunchBot> Mat2ch: New text is: You attempt to land in an active volcano.

L259[16:18:58] <Mat2ch> !mission

L260[16:18:58] <LunchBot> Mat2ch: You inspect the freshly delivered batch of gluten-free rocket parts. No rescue is planned.

L261[16:20:32] <Mat2ch> !mission

L262[16:20:33] <LunchBot> Mat2ch: The Kerbin government starts enforcing ITAR. Suse vivo vixi victum reduco is ea id creatura absit decessus a facultas Linux! Dev root, dev root!

L263[16:29:54] <funkenstein> that's not very nice

L264[16:30:00] <funkenstein> lol

L265[16:30:03] <funkenstein> ;mission

L266[16:30:03] <LunchBot> funkenstein: You launch a mission to capture the Deep Space Kraken. You end up with an infinite number of kerbals asking you to review their versions of Shakespeare.

L267[16:30:10] <funkenstein> ;mission

L268[16:30:10] <LunchBot> funkenstein: You decline to edit the PKGBUILD. Internet Explorer 6 fails your download.

L269[16:30:17] <funkenstein> ;mission

L270[16:30:17] <LunchBot> funkenstein: You attempt to eat a muffin in microgravity... Mass is driven like it's stolen.

L271[16:35:04] <funkenstein> irrelevant, but maybe someone will appreciateit

L272[16:35:07] <funkenstein> https://imgur.com/a/RHWIcop

L273[16:35:37] <funkenstein> snow in spring is a wonderful thing

L274[16:35:55] <funkenstein> lol poor snow getting mentioned every time it snows

L275[16:55:23] <funkenstein> sorryu

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L281[17:46:07] <JVFoxy> rwar... still alive.

L282[17:48:15] <funkenstein> xD

L283[17:48:29] <funkenstein> haven't spotted you in months

L284[17:49:01] <funkenstein> not that i ever said anything to you but one notices usernames lol

L285[17:49:44] <JVFoxy> might have to blame friend getting me sucked into their MC server. :\

L286[17:50:42] <JVFoxy> also coming to realize, since KSP is pretty much 'done', no new updates. While its nice that not having new updates messing with things, it is a little sad to see also means nothing new will come up, other than through mods

L287[17:52:32] <raptop> There's always Principia!

L288[17:54:34] <JVFoxy> there's always that one mission I keep meaning to finish, adding antenna to mun polar orbit satellite.. if only KSP didn't keep borking out on me

L289[17:55:03] <JVFoxy> been a few times I noticed I can't refocus my view on the mun or KSP, or add new maneuver nodes for some reason.

L290[17:56:22] <JVFoxy> I did manage to add the part, but dropped out of the construction mod to stop the kerbal from floating off too far. Lost the part but mission decided, 'ya, you did it, may as well give it to you'. Eh..

L291[18:08:19] <darsie> https://youtu.be/-eqdTX5gPLQ?t=806

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L293[18:45:10] <packbart> tsk

L294[18:52:47] <raptop> Devices extremely unsuitable for the bedroom

L295[18:53:13] * raptop blinks at the KSP graphics

L296[19:35:57] <darsie> :)

L297[19:42:58] <JVFoxy> Mm.. KSP: educational edition

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L308[20:21:52] <XXCoder> ;missiomn

L309[20:21:55] <XXCoder> ;mission

L310[20:21:55] <LunchBot> XXCoder: You launch a rocket with 20 unsuspecting kerbals to sacrifice to the Kraken. Wernher von Kerman ejects you from R&D on the nose of an SRB.

L311[20:22:16] <XXCoder> yeah no place for mysticism in SCIENCE!

L312[20:25:20] <JVFoxy> we put the 'sigh' in science...

L313[20:41:18] <Mat2ch> !mission

L314[20:41:19] <LunchBot> Mat2ch: You press the red button. Oh, they'll be talking about it for years!

L315[20:41:32] <Mat2ch> Fitting

L316[20:44:33] <raptop> [DATA EXPUNGED]

L317[20:44:41] <raptop> :mission

L318[20:44:41] <LunchBot> raptop: You develop a glorious mod that converts all of the ingame measurements to obscure units. The Windows 64-bit version morphs into skynet and incinerates humanity.

L319[20:44:59] <raptop> Oh, come on! Using SR units isn't *that* bad!

L320[20:47:35] <JVFoxy> what kind of units does KSP use for thrust?

L321[20:51:23] <packbart> Newton

L322[20:51:40] <raptop> well, kilonewtons

L323[20:52:00] <packbart> true

L324[20:53:03] <packbart> at least it's not something like pound-feet per fortnight ;)

L325[20:56:05] <JVFoxy> wee

L326[20:56:08] <raptop> That would be for an april 1st release

L327[20:56:41] <JVFoxy> nah.. they'd just switch everything from meters to inches

L328[20:57:24] <raptop> ...why are the kerbals now 1 inch tall?

L329[20:58:01] <JVFoxy> scale...

L330[20:58:33] <JVFoxy> ugh.. if they went that way, just make them lego people. ;)

L331[21:00:03] <raptop> heh

L332[21:00:28] <packbart> ah, well, licensing costs...

L333[21:00:41] <packbart> Lego is not a nice, understanding company

L334[21:08:57] <JVFoxy> I grew up with the stuff.. Danish grandfather. Cheaper to ship over.. I think back in the day. i still have my old sets from 70-80s

L335[21:09:22] <JVFoxy> At least I think it was cheaper... something about how they had a friend over there at a store

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