L1[00:05:09] <FLHerne> ;outcome add You've found the source of the ticking. It's a pipe bomb! Yaaaaaay!

L2[00:05:09] <LunchBot> FLHerne: Added outcome: You've found the source of the ticking. It's a pipe bomb! Yaaaaaay!

L3[00:05:31] <FLHerne> [/nostalgia]

L11[01:45:04] <transhohmann> ;mission

L12[01:45:04] <LunchBot> transhohmann: You believe you can fly. You are insulted for playing KSP.

L13[01:45:10] <transhohmann> yup

L14[01:45:23] <SporkWitch> Flying is simply the art of throwing oneself at the ground and missing

L15[01:48:30] <raptop> Orbital flight, sure

L17[01:52:16] <SporkWitch> raptop: it's a hitchhiker's guide reference

L19[01:53:09] <SporkWitch> It's from one of the later books: "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy has a large section on the subject of flying, which details exactly how to master the art of flying.

L20[01:53:10] <SporkWitch>

L21[01:53:10] <SporkWitch> According to the Guide, the main thing that flying requires is the ability to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

L27[03:24:01] <transhohmann> also, indeed, how to give a flying fk

L28[03:24:25] <transhohmann> self explanitory, really

L29[03:25:00] <transhohmann> like how to use a toothpick

L30[03:30:44] <transhohmann> ;outcome add There was a sound like the whole world saying "wop" all at once.

L31[03:30:44] <LunchBot> transhohmann: Added outcome: There was a sound like the whole world saying "wop" all at once.

L42[08:28:02] <transhohmann> what are the requirements for fuel transfer on stations

L43[08:28:21] <transhohmann> just docking? does the fuel have to be anywhere in particular?

L44[08:28:55] <Althego> the usual. there are things it cant flow throufh

L45[08:29:24] <transhohmann> I don't know what you mean by the usual

L46[08:30:08] <transhohmann> I'll figure it out

L47[08:30:40] <Althego> cant flow though item such as heat shield, metal bars and plates, etc

L48[08:33:53] <transhohmann> ah

L49[08:34:15] <transhohmann> and should I try to unlock the normal sized docking port first

L50[08:34:23] <transhohmann> or stick with jr

L51[08:35:09] <Althego> doesnt really matter which one, in zero g

L54[10:18:47] <transhohmann> I haven't used these before which way is out

L55[10:19:02] <transhohmann> I assume it's the ragged side?

L56[10:19:09] <Althego> the docking ports?

L57[10:19:11] <transhohmann> yes

L58[10:19:19] <Althego> you can see a hatch on the outside

L59[10:19:41] <Althego> https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/File:Docking_Nodes.png

L60[10:19:48] <Althego> these are the oursides

L61[10:19:54] <darsie> transhohmann: When you take them from the menu the upper side is out.

L62[10:20:07] <transhohmann> thanks

L63[10:20:13] <Althego> they usually want to stick by the correct side

L64[10:20:29] <transhohmann> the vab is trying to stick them the wriong way around

L65[10:20:30] <darsie> Yeah, when you surface mount them.

L66[10:21:46] <Althego> there is a jagged edge on the side that goes onto the ship

L67[10:21:59] <Althego> and a smooth ring on the outside

L68[10:23:06] <Althego> so here the jagged edge is on the bottom, that is connected to the ship, the ring is the top, that can dock to other docking ports

L69[10:23:29] <Althego> you can mate differnt size docking ports in the vab, but you can only undock with them once in space

L73[11:44:42] <transhohmann> so, um

L74[11:45:13] <transhohmann> getting 54 tons of fuel into orbit at 250km without spending any of it

L75[11:45:26] <transhohmann> is it practical

L76[11:45:36] <Althego> you need a big rocket

L77[11:45:37] <transhohmann> or am I trying to overdo it

L78[11:45:50] <Althego> or maybe you can do it in several trips

L79[11:46:00] <transhohmann> I'm using rocklomax x-200s

L80[11:46:12] <transhohmann> with jr ports

L81[11:46:14] <Althego> but there is a reason why i dont take the fuel type contracts, unless i can mine them on site

L83[11:46:35] <Althego> you can do it later if you want to. once you take the contract it doesnt expire for years

L84[11:46:41] <transhohmann> lol i was just trying to add a refueling pos to my station

L85[11:46:56] <transhohmann> pod*

L86[11:47:10] <flayer> we all know what you meant

L87[11:47:11] <Althego> probably it would be better to take the fuel from the mun

L88[11:47:15] <transhohmann> and 54 tons sounded like a good amount to have around

L89[11:48:09] <transhohmann> I haven't unlocked mining exuipment

L90[11:51:09] <transhohmann> is autostrut a viable option or should i just use struts

L91[11:51:34] <transhohmann> I have been getting decent stability out of it when attaching boosters

L92[12:01:24] <Althego> if you are parts limited autostruts help a lot

L93[12:01:47] <Althego> yes especially for boosters, because there they can take sideways forces

L94[12:02:16] <Althego> but the end points are limited, so for more complicated cases you need real ones

L95[12:32:30] <sandbox> I did this about 8 years ago and I still haven't seen anyone else do anything similar https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/598158853635365751/0F34AC8974956491E900BD453912EC4F22E1A9BF/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

L96[12:42:19] <sandbox> https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/598158853656560309/F073E39BA9EDE9514D3614290E3C51E87CD88A96/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

L97[12:42:28] <Althego> hehe

L98[12:57:05] <UmbralRaptor> 🐑

L99[13:04:21] <darsie> sandbox: If I click that I might copy it.

L101[13:26:35] <transhohmann> lol

L102[13:30:05] <Althego> solve it with nft :)

L106[14:40:57] <SporkWitch> i use autostruts a LOT. Rigid attachment can also be useful, though this is more selective (it makes for more rigid, but brittle joints, so things wobble less but break sooner)

L107[14:41:26] <SporkWitch> So far I haven't really ever encountered something where autostruts weren't enough but some visible struts could resolve the issue.

L108[14:41:57] <SporkWitch> thing about autostrut is it's not 100% automatic. You still need to tell it WHAT to strut to, and that will affect how it performs and handles.

L109[14:46:00] <transhohmann> I hhave two docking ports kissing at 0.0m/s and still can't get them to dock

L110[14:46:31] <SporkWitch> transhohmann: how's your angle? also you need to have a little bit of movement. it can be stubborn.

L111[14:47:25] <transhohmann> almost dead on

L112[14:47:47] <transhohmann> I had to use alt f12 and it still took me 20 minutes from 10 m

L113[14:47:58] <transhohmann> I am terrible at this

L114[14:48:11] <transhohmann> especially with a 0 star pilot

L115[14:49:17] <transhohmann> driving them into each other at full speed

L116[14:49:23] <transhohmann> can't back up

L117[14:49:45] <SporkWitch> if you can't back up, that means you set up your RCS wrong

L118[14:51:09] <transhohmann> I haven't got rcs I have engines

L119[14:51:23] <transhohmann> reverting

L120[14:55:46] <SporkWitch> don't both trying to dock without RCS lol

L121[14:56:13] <SporkWitch> you said you were lined up, but i can say with almost total certainty you weren't, if you only had main engines and reaction wheels

L122[15:11:12] <Althego> docking ports have states. after undocking they cant dock again until they get far enough. this is there so that the magnets dont prevent you from undocking. this used to get bugged sometimes preventing docking

L123[15:14:00] <SporkWitch> i doubt that's what he's running into, if he doesn't have RCS, heh.

L124[15:14:19] <Althego> you dont really need rcs for docking

L125[15:27:48] <transhohmann> I had the two meeting so I couldn't see a gap between the when focusing on the port and zoomed way in

L126[15:28:20] <transhohmann> then thrusted up and got no result other than lowering the collective periapsis

L127[15:28:25] <SporkWitch> thing is, depending on how long the craft is, being even a little off on pitch and yaw can keep it from locking

L128[15:35:53] <transhohmann> needed velocity

L129[15:37:49] <transhohmann> success

L130[15:38:30] <SporkWitch> i think it wasnt at least 0.2m/s or so

L133[15:42:02] <FLHerne> transhohmann: dialling up the attraction force can help a lot when docking without RCS

L135[15:42:18] <FLHerne> I can't remember exactly what that's called, but it's a tweakable on the docking ports

L137[15:44:41] <SporkWitch> think that's the Kraken Drive setting ;)

L140[16:03:21] <sheeep> heyho

L141[16:04:59] <darsie> .

L142[16:06:37] <darsie> transhohmann: If you have RCS, select control from here at the docking port to get navball guidance relative to the docking port. And select the other docking port as target.

L143[16:08:34] <SporkWitch> also super helpful are linuxgurugamer's (who ironically doesn't develop on linux lol) Docking Cam, and Docking Port Alignment Indicator by navyfish. I use both; i like the visual from the camera, but i find navyfish's indicator offers better feedback on your positioning

L144[16:10:21] <darsie> I can't imagine how that is better than the target indicator on the navball.

L145[16:10:39] <darsie> Does it display rotation?

L146[16:10:53] <darsie> Or tilt?

L147[16:29:40] <SporkWitch> xyz position and xyz rotation relative to the port

L148[16:30:53] <SporkWitch> the way it represents that information is also helpful as it lets you much better judge what you need to adjust and how fast you're drifting. the stock navball indicator just gives you your prograde and target markers, doesn't tell you anything about relative position or rotation

L149[16:31:58] <SporkWitch> in the real world, we lkiterally have a camera in the docking port and indicators on the screen. of the games I've played with somewhat to very realistic docking mechanics, the stock interface on KSP is the worst for it, heh. Hellion has one of the best, and it's a good thing, because you do a LOT of docking in that game.

L150[16:33:35] <SporkWitch> with hellion i actually find myself able ot intuitively maneuver in multiple directions and introduce rotation at the same time, for some very efficient docking maneuvers. controls are basically the same as KSP's for this, with newtonian physics and basic lateral RCS and reaction-wheel attitude control (in some ways easier, since attitude control doesn't induce lateral movement, the way RCS does

L151[16:33:52] <SporkWitch> so another thing i find myself doing in KSP is toggling RCS off to adjust attitude and rotation, then putting RCS back on to tweak lateral position)

L152[16:36:14] <SporkWitch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaqCmnUfdzI navyfish indicator

L153[16:56:17] <Althego> astra launch stream start is fluctuating

L154[16:56:37] <SporkWitch> i'm watching live footage of the HOnkening

L155[17:28:13] <SporkWitch> grrrr, all my transfer windows are a year or more away >_<

L156[17:30:20] <Althego> you dont need to take the window, just bear with the delta v :)

L157[17:31:02] <SporkWitch> true, and my transfer/return stage does have around 4km/s

L158[17:35:44] <SporkWitch> added complication from life support heh. That's what's making this duna mission difficult. My kerbals will get homesick and refuse to work even to save their lives lol

L159[17:36:44] <SporkWitch> i do have cryopods, but they're super power hungry. Takes several minutes to recharge the battery to freeze or thaw the next kerbal heh

L160[17:51:01] <sheeep> bored

L169[19:14:41] <Althego> this stream is constantly delayed, but maybe now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEYS7d1CHso

L170[19:14:45] <Althego> astra launch with nsf

L171[19:14:52] <Althego> they do these together

L173[19:38:28] <Althego> of course it didnt start in time

L178[20:07:16] <Althego> it is on

L179[20:19:45] <Althego> scrub

L180[20:49:01] <Kalpa> Scrub, the lord of

L188[21:48:56] <transhohmann> I did that I also added a camera to the other port and I switched control between both wessels while lining them up

L189[21:49:08] <transhohmann> SporkWitch

L190[22:24:21] <SporkWitch> BS! came down nice and slow, but it pancaked the hitchhiker module! lol only lost some duplicate science, but still >_< lol