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L20[05:01:29] <Althego> Engineering a spin
launcher for Ortus City | KSP 1.11.2
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L23[06:01:38] <Althego> ohayollie
L24[06:05:48] <raptop> ...is it morning
there?
L25[06:06:54] <Althego> yes
L26[06:06:59] <Althego> or wait
L27[06:07:03] <Althego> no, about
noon
L28[06:07:07] <Althego> 13h
L29[06:07:11] <raptop> ah
L30[06:07:18] <raptop> sleepy zombie
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L37[07:31:38] <DysonSphereEnthusiast> is it
possible to build a dyson sphere around the sun in ksp?
L38[07:31:55] <Althego> i think it was done
already
L39[07:33:48] <DysonSphereEnthusiast>
uh
L40[07:33:54] <DysonSphereEnthusiast> wait
really?
L41[07:34:34] <Althego> i think i mixed two
videos. one was a dyson swarm around the sun, and an other was a
sphere around kerbin
L42[07:34:54] <DysonSphereEnthusiast> the
swarm amkes sense for the sun, and the sphere around kerbin
L43[07:35:01] <DysonSphereEnthusiast> with
their relative sizes and all
L45[07:36:29] <DysonSphereEnthusiast> of
course it's dennis
L46[07:36:34] <DysonSphereEnthusiast> that
man's crazy
L47[07:37:37] <DysonSphereEnthusiast> awh
he cheated with a custom star smh
L49[08:27:06] <DysonSphereEnthusiast> this
but moar boosters
L50[08:28:46] <DysonSphereEnthusiast> why
was the wheel sideways 😭
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L55[09:26:20] <flayer> hey darsie
L56[09:26:23] <darsie> hi flayer
L57[09:26:32] <darsie> bbl, making
breakfast ...
L58[09:26:36] <DysonSphereEnthusiast>
its
L59[09:26:39] <DysonSphereEnthusiast>
1;25
L60[09:26:43] <DysonSphereEnthusiast> IN
THE MORNING
L61[09:26:50] <darsie> 1026
L62[09:26:56] <DysonSphereEnthusiast>
imagine living
L63[09:27:04] <DysonSphereEnthusiast> on
the other side of the planet
L64[09:27:08] *
darsie imagines to be alive.
L65[09:27:38] <darsie> I often eat muesli
as last meal, too.
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L67[09:30:40] <flayer> how dare you eat
non-traditionally, darsie!
L68[09:36:55] <Althego> how many last meals
did you have? :)
L69[09:37:26] <darsie> All of them were my
last meal.
L70[09:41:15] <Althego> you must be
shrödinger's cat
L71[09:43:10] <darsie> flayer: I'm
courageous in such regards because my neural network was trained in
a hippie commune when I was a child.
L72[09:43:21] <flayer> nice
L73[09:46:13] <XXCoder> ;mission
L74[09:46:13] <LunchBot> XXCoder: You try
to build a stealth battlecruiser. Your rocket suddenly stops and
thinks: "To be or not to be?".
L75[09:46:32] <XXCoder> thinky ship that
can hide very well. scary.
L76[09:47:58] <Althego> "I'd give real
money if he'd shut up. " (mccoy)
L77[09:48:32] <darsie> "real
money" :)
L78[09:48:43] <XXCoder> for a given value
of real
L79[09:49:00] <bees> XXCoder: You research
the possibilities of demon summoning in the field rocket
propulsion. Your capsule safely ejects and lands, but the headless
spaceplane goes on to terrorize small coastline communities all
around KSC for months.
L80[09:50:38] *
DysonSphereEnthusiast screenshots an nft
L81[09:50:53] <darsie> Are there mods for
"high" altitude orbital decay?
L83[09:51:03] <Althego> How to Find ALIEN
Dyson Spheres
L84[09:52:43] <darsie> Analyze the spectrum
of stars.
L85[09:52:57] <darsie> For exclusive or
added IR emissions.
L86[09:54:23] <DysonSphereEnthusiast>
.
L87[09:55:17] <darsie> I'm confident we'll
colonise this and possibly other galaxies.
L88[09:55:36] <Althego> if we dont die in
the next 100 years
L89[09:55:38] <darsie> With Dyson
spheres.
L90[09:56:57] <darsie> There's a chance of
nuclear war, but it's unlikely to extinct humans. Human extinction
level asteroid impacts a rare, too.
L91[09:57:16] <darsie> covid is weak.
L92[09:59:46] <XXCoder> other galaxies is
extremely hard
L93[10:00:40] <Althego> nuclear war, global
warming, disease, doesnt matter. we are getting into an
uncomfortably bad situation
L94[10:00:54] <Althego> and it doesnt
matter that humanspecies survive, if knowledge is lsot
L95[10:00:57] <Althego> lost
L96[10:01:12] <darsie> The way to do that
is to transmit uploaded human minds or AI to them with
lasers/radio. Aliens can pick them up and run tem.
L97[10:02:43] <darsie> Yeah, nuclear war
would probably destroy a lot of data. That would just delay it,
though.
L98[10:03:58] <darsie> And once we're
Kardashev type III lots of civs will watch us.
L99[10:04:21] <darsie> Especially look for
such transmissions.
L100[10:05:55] <darsie> Just imagine how
madly we'd scan a K3 galaxy if we found one.
L101[10:07:48] <darsie> Do you think we'd
run transmitted aliens?
L102[10:08:27] <darsie> Someone sure
would, eventually, even if it was highly outlawed.
L103[10:10:02] <darsie> If I'm too much
off topic, just tell me. I've been banned from libera ...
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L107[11:32:25] <Althego> zombanwa
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L109[11:58:52] <flayer> i'm tired
Althego
L110[11:58:58] <flayer> will you make me
lunch?
L111[11:59:02] <Althego> no
L112[11:59:09] <flayer> boo
L113[11:59:23] <Althego> the zombie doesnt
let me take a nap
L114[11:59:34] <flayer> how rude
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L119[15:21:10] <darsie> What does it
say?
L120[15:21:27] <Althego> that
stabilization thingie opened
L121[15:21:29] <Mat2ch> there is a trim
tab on James webb
L122[15:21:36] <darsie> the flap
L123[15:21:49] <Mat2ch> like a sail to
balance the photon pressure
L124[15:21:52] <Mat2ch> that is so
wild...
L125[15:21:55] <darsie> yeah
L126[15:21:57] <darsie> :)
L127[15:22:22] <darsie> They used solar
pressure to stabilize that telescope with broken RW.
L128[15:22:30] <Althego> kepler
L129[15:22:46] <Althego> tess is catching
up with its count
L130[15:22:57] <Althego> maybe even
surpassed it by now
L131[15:23:12] <Althego> remember when
there were only a hanfdul of exoplanets?
L132[15:23:26] <darsie> no
L133[15:23:56] <Althego> me neither
:)
L134[15:24:12] <darsie> :)
L135[15:25:16] <Althego> the wheresebb
page talks about deployable tower assembly as the next steo, but i
guess these are shuffled around because of manual commands
L136[15:25:50] <darsie> IMHO they must
deploy the tower before deploying the solar shield.
L137[15:26:11] <Althego> ok so the
whereswebb page is probably not updated
L138[15:28:01] <darsie> Hey, it has
temperature.
L139[15:30:13] <darsie> ppl may think the
distance to Moon/L2 is displayed proportionally, but it's on a time
scale, not distance.
L141[15:30:46] <Althego> it is written
there: days
L142[15:30:55] <Althego> normally that
means time
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L144[15:31:08] <darsie> still
L145[15:31:08] <Althego> ah okay now they
updated it
L146[15:31:13] <Althego> so maybe it is
manual there too
L147[15:31:50] <darsie> So the Moon should
be closer to L2 than on a time graph.
L148[15:32:07] <darsie> hmm
L149[15:32:17] <darsie> or?
L150[15:32:27] <darsie> Webb slows
down.
L151[15:33:57] <darsie> Sun-Earth L2 =
151.1 Gm
L152[15:34:42] <darsie> Moon SMA = 384
Mm
L153[15:36:29] <darsie> L2=393 LD
L154[15:36:50] <Althego>
LD_LIBRARY_PATH
L155[15:37:07] <darsie> what?
L156[15:37:14] <Althego> starts with
capital LD :)
L157[15:37:25] <darsie> mhm :)
L158[15:49:21] <darsie> Can solar sails
keep a ship in L2? Well, that depends on TWR ...
L159[15:53:12] <Althego> the gravitatinal
acceleration because of the sun at that distance is quite
small
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L174[20:22:03] <Spork_Witch> langrange
points are a bit funky, i think a solar sail wouldn't have the
directional control needed for stationkeeping
L175[20:22:54] <raptop> I want to say that
you can design a solar sail for directional control (presumably
you're "tacking" or something)
L176[20:24:55] <Spork_Witch> to an extent,
and in a vacuum it doesn't behave like a wind-water ship (the keel
in the water serves to counter some of the angular force and
redirect it to forward momentum), so it's all just relatively
simple geometry, but because the force is so little, I don't think
it would have the degree of control needed. Not to mention, how do
you make significant changes to the angle of attack on the
L177[20:25:22] <Spork_Witch> sail? solar
sails are necessarily MASSIVE, and presumably would occlude the
telescope itself, defeating the point
L178[20:27:38] <Spork_Witch> also,
apologies, i misread you originally, thought you said
"tracking something." Tacking is actually what I was
talking about with the interaction between the water and the keel.
It works because the shape of the keel, exerting force against the
water, tends to make the ship want to maintain its direction and
heading; you don't have that in space, angling the sail would
actually introduce
L179[20:27:54] <Spork_Witch> rotation, and
you'd need to counter that with RCS
L180[20:28:19] <Spork_Witch> (providing
the missing counter-force that the water would normally apply to
the keel)
L181[20:29:33] <Spork_Witch> (though I
think more often tacking is used to describe when you want to move
in a direction that's 90 degrees or more off from the direction of
the wind)
L182[20:30:29] <darsie> reaction wheels
could help turn the sail.
L183[20:30:45] <darsie> They don't have to
be huge.
L184[20:30:54] <darsie> Or massive.
L185[20:31:09] <darsie> Or, do we need
that much thrust?
L186[20:31:32] <darsie> What are we
fighting? The Moons gravity?
L187[20:31:36] <darsie> Jupiter?
L188[20:31:49] <darsie> angular momentum
of the halo orbit?
L189[20:32:34] <darsie> The Webb does have
a solar sail.
L190[20:33:07] <Spork_Witch> i'm trying to
find information about delta-v for solar sails, but not finding
much with actual numbers
L191[20:33:22] <Althego> delta v for solar
sails is potentially infinite
L192[20:33:28] <darsie> Actually, the sun
shield is a solar sail, and small tilts could do something.
L193[20:33:39] <darsie> If the sun shines
infinitely.
L194[20:33:42] <Spork_Witch> yes, but over
a given period
L195[20:34:40] <darsie> We could go a tiny
bit closer to Earth than L2 and balance the rest with the Sun
shield.
L196[20:35:00] <Spork_Witch> my instinct
is that we'd need a massive sail relative to the rest of the craft,
and that ion engines would probably be far more efficient for the
mass, unless we need that effectively-infinite acceleration
L198[20:36:09] <Spork_Witch> (more about
the logic, than the physics, but still edifying on what I was
talking about)
L200[20:38:05] <darsie> HD? 360p?
L201[20:38:43] <Spork_Witch> it was 2008,
cut them some slack :P
L202[20:38:54] <Spork_Witch> it's not like
we've had any revelations in the relevant physics since then
lol
L203[20:42:50] <raptop> I guess we found
the Higgs since then
L204[20:43:01] <Spork_Witch> i did say
RELEVANT physics lol
L205[20:43:14] <raptop> heh
L206[20:43:17] <Spork_Witch> as in how
tacking works in sailing ships
L207[20:43:23] <darsie> Spork_Witch: Ok,
you were telling me about the keel of sailboats with that
video.
L208[20:43:29] <Spork_Witch> and this
video DOES cover exactly what i was talking about
L209[20:43:34] <Spork_Witch> yes
L210[20:43:42] <darsie> Which you did
before in IRC.
L211[20:44:05] <Spork_Witch> have i? I
think this has only come up in this immediate discussion lol
L212[20:44:29] <darsie> 21:24:55
<Spork_Witch> to an extent, and in a vacuum it doesn't behave
like a wind-water ship (the keel in the water serves to counter
some of the angular force and redirect it to forward momentum),
...
L213[20:44:35] <Spork_Witch> sailboats can
tack because of the interactions between the sail, wind, keel, and
water. the same concepts can't work in space
L214[20:44:51] <Spork_Witch> yes, that was
part of this immediate discussion, heh; sorry, your phrasing made
me think you meant some time ago lol
L215[20:44:56] <darsie> I can sail.
L216[20:45:11] <Izaya> didn't that
japanese solar sail thinger have LCD panels on the sails that could
change reflectivity to change orientation/
L217[20:45:21] <darsie> Well, I spent 5
minutes watching the video.
L218[20:45:33] <Spork_Witch> Izaya: that's
a clever idea
L219[20:45:45] <darsie> Expecting it would
be about light sail navigation.
L220[20:46:34] <Spork_Witch> well i was
mostly pulling the videos to explain why "tacking" isn't
really applicable in a vacuum. i haven't been finding much that's
detailed on solar sails so far
L221[20:46:35] <Izaya> there's a book
about this stuff; Solar Sailing: Technology, Dynamics and Mission
Applications by Colin Rovert McInnes
L222[20:47:07] <Spork_Witch> i found some
stack exchange stuff, but it didn't go into numbers like i wanted
:(
L223[20:47:18] <darsie> Also solar sails
can be turned by shifting the CoG.
L225[20:48:49] <raptop> Lotta papers on
IKAROS on ADS, though I'm not sure on which ones are relevant
L227[20:49:36] *
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counter
L228[20:49:36] <Izaya> I should really add
a flight recorder to all my vessels, then I could output CSVs and
figure out the typical descent path for my regularly used crew
ferry craft and plan deorbit burns to have them splash down next to
the KSC
L229[20:49:47] <raptop> :D
L230[20:50:08] <Spork_Witch> or just use
Trajectories? lol
L231[20:50:20] <Izaya> I mean I could do
that
L232[20:50:25] <Izaya> but I don't have it
installed
L233[20:51:08] <Spork_Witch> it's
imperfect, at least for most of my craft, but it's definitely help
me get things much closer, and i can generally glide (and sometimes
have enough leftover fuel for some powered flight) to get where i'm
going
L234[20:51:30] <Izaya> I do have kOS
installed though, so if I know how descents typically go I can plot
descents that require no input from a given orbit
L235[20:51:34] <Spork_Witch> desert
airstrip is tricky, but if I feel like waiting for daylight at the
KSC, that's easy to hit reliably
L236[20:51:41] <Izaya> in hindsight a
square 100km orbit would've been more useful
L237[20:51:56] <Izaya> currently measuring
with a 71.5km orbit
L238[20:54:13] <darsie> My orbits are all
conic sections, not square.
L239[20:54:40] <darsie> Well, in KSP
they're all ellipses, I think.
L240[20:54:54] <raptop> ;mission add You
slice up a cone with a knife to find your orbit.
L241[20:54:54] <LunchBot> raptop: Added
mission: You slice up a cone with a knife to find your orbit.
L242[20:55:23] <raptop> KSP's finite SOIs
mean you sometimes are on escape trajectories with ellipses, but it
definitely has hyperbolae
L243[20:55:26] <darsie> Ice cream
cone?
L244[20:55:38] <raptop> ;mission del You
slice up a cone with a knife to find your orbit.
L245[20:55:38] <LunchBot> raptop: Deleted
mission: "You slice up a cone with a knife to find your
orbit."
L246[20:55:42] <darsie> ok, I thought
about that.
L247[20:55:49] <raptop> ;mission add You
slice up an ice cream cone with a knife to find your orbit.
L248[20:55:49] <LunchBot> raptop: Added
mission: You slice up an ice cream cone with a knife to find your
orbit.
L249[20:56:06] <darsie> I scream cone
;)
L250[20:58:56] <Spork_Witch> lulz, he
accidentally says kepler space program, when he meant Kerbal Space
Program 2 lol
L251[20:59:27] <Izaya> kessler space
program
L252[20:59:32] *
Izaya gets taken out by a stray bolt
L253[21:00:29] <Izaya> hmm, fins are
getting toasty, maybe I should move them up. Looks like the RCS
thrusters are happy this time though.
L254[21:01:07] <Izaya> yup, there they
go
L256[21:20:02] <DysonSphereEnthusiast>
Q
L257[21:23:06] <Spork_Witch> when i see
your name all that comes to mind is "the ringworld is
unstable!" lol
L258[21:31:54] <Izaya> Are there mods that
add small control surfaces? Ones that would suit the basic
fins?
L259[21:54:12] <Spork_Witch> Izaya: i'd
think the various scaler mods would be better suited to that
use-case. Rather than making whole new parts, it lets you scale
existing parts (and their mass and effectiveness scales
appropriately as well)
L260[21:54:34] <Izaya> Probably the
idea.
L261[21:54:57] <Spork_Witch> i have enough
trouble finding the parts i want sometimes with the stock parts
list lol
L262[21:55:10] <Izaya> I was using B9PW
for a while too, those worked well. I don't have anything like that
in my current setup though, all very specific parts.
L263[21:56:00] <Izaya> or rather, all
designed parts
L264[21:56:20] <Izaya> I ended up using
scaled engines a lot when I had scaling mods because they were
stronk
L265[22:20:16] <Izaya> Okay, wings are
gone, replaced with grid fins. Pod no longer flips over at the end
of re-entry and the safety margin is greatly improved.
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