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L20[03:53:30] <Izaya> This is the correct way to land a nuclear reactor, right? https://shadowkat.net/tmp/IK0A.jpg

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L23[04:03:36] <packbart> Radiation doesn't exist in stock. It'll be fine

L24[04:24:32] <raptop> Kerbals are remarkably rad-hard

L25[04:24:45] <XXCoder> also hunger-proof

L26[04:24:55] <XXCoder> once orbited kerbal around sun few times

L27[04:25:00] <XXCoder> no ship

L28[04:25:22] <XXCoder> i guess game now have oxygen and food or something?

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L31[04:40:18] <raptop> Base, no. Mods, yes

L32[04:42:54] <XXCoder> ahh ok

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L64[10:32:23] <bees> Izaya: Your finger slips, and you type ";fission" instead of ";mission." Now the whole capsule smells like Kethane.

L65[10:32:46] <Izaya> Given the mistake, that seems like I got off light.

L66[10:33:14] <Althego> not too bad

L67[10:33:32] <Mat2ch> !mission

L68[10:33:32] <LunchBot> Mat2ch: You experiment with the Coke/Mentos propellant combination. For all the resultant horror, grief, and pain, you put your differences behind you and try again. For science. You monster.

L69[10:33:56] <Mat2ch> why am I a monster for using coke?

L70[10:34:11] <Mat2ch> uh, wait, that came out wrong.

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L76[11:08:24] <goblin> If there's some wiki editors here, I wouldn't mind adding https://goblin.github.io/ksp_brakecalc/brakecalc.html to https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Calculation_tools ;-)

L77[11:09:34] <goblin> I was planning on adding the Rocket Equation support, but that's probably not gonna happen soon (unless someone wants a crack - there are some equations already there at https://github.com/goblin/ksp_brakecalc )

L78[11:09:58] <goblin> (and the source, but that's also viewable in-browser with a right click)

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L81[11:44:07] <goblin> can kerbals re-enter Kerbin's atmo without a capsule? I remember it used to be possible... and now they even have gliders. But when I tried, he overheated :-/

L82[11:46:06] <FLHerne> goblin: Yes, if you're very careful

L83[11:46:45] <goblin> FLHerne, hm, OK! Challenge accepted ;-)

L84[11:47:17] <FLHerne> You need to start in a 70x70 equatorial orbit or something close to it, and burn just the right amount to spread the heat loading out

L85[11:50:05] <goblin> does orientation make a difference? I remember it used to be helmet-first, but that was for lithobraking IIRC

L86[11:50:22] <goblin> (which probably no longer applies because of the glider)

L87[11:50:51] <FLHerne> I don't think so much

L88[11:51:45] <FLHerne> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC8Tt8r9eLg should be correct if you don't want to spend ages on trial-and-error

L89[11:51:54] <goblin> I'll see how it goes. 69.5km orbit and dropping. Padous looks happy.

L90[11:52:09] <FLHerne> lol

L91[11:52:31] <FLHerne> ;mission add You take Padous Kerman skydiving from orbit

L92[11:52:31] <LunchBot> FLHerne: Added mission: You take Padous Kerman skydiving from orbit

L93[11:54:51] <Mat2ch> !mission

L94[11:54:51] <LunchBot> Mat2ch: You attempt to launch a rocket using Jeb's excess matter of questionable origin as a bio-fuel. Bob's horrified screams, remixed and set to a techno backbeat, win the next Kerbovision Song Contest.

L95[11:56:12] <bees> Mat2ch: You are contracted to manufacture a series of ballistic missiles for the North Kerbeans. You discover how Kerbals reproduce and swear not to tell.

L96[11:56:35] <goblin> aaand *puff*. At 60km. Orientation didn't seem to make much difference indeed.

L97[11:57:00] <Althego> what if you make a steeper descent. denser air slows you down faster

L98[12:07:49] <goblin> yaaay, that worked! Thanks :-) Burned my entire EVA propellant to lower Pe as much as possible and the heating went up only to about 80% :-) Also, she's smiling way more than before

L99[12:10:54] <packbart> yeah, I keep just about 0.1-0.3 EVA propellant for the final adjustments

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L104[12:30:45] <packbart> the problem with clouds is that I can't see the optimal insertion point for a landing at KSC anymore

L105[12:31:04] <packbart> I might drive a rover out there and plant a flag or just set a waypoint

L106[12:37:15] <Althego> (local) leet time

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L108[12:55:03] <packbart> goblin: this is what it typically looks like for my Kerbals (undershot KSC by quite a bit, though): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAUuB0FJMM8

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L111[13:27:06] <goblin> Nice suits. I'm thinking of getting the expansions, but it seems wrong to do so before I even left the Kebrin SOI... I mean I need to *at least* land on Duna in the base game

L112[13:27:44] <Althego> the dlcs dont really influence that

L113[13:27:56] <Althego> new parts, some new science

L114[13:28:25] <goblin> well, and most importantly, new suits

L115[13:28:55] <Althego> i think the making history has the old suits, but the new is in the base game

L116[13:29:05] <Althego> old as in the space race era

L117[13:35:32] <packbart> yeah, but the BG glowy suits are cool ;)

L118[13:36:13] <packbart> I even use a MM patch that turns on the suit glow by default (but keeps the head lamp off)

L119[13:37:29] <packbart> Althego: "new is in the base game" - the "future" suits are in stock now?

L120[13:37:53] <Althego> i remembered it like that, but maybe they are not

L121[14:01:38] <Mat2ch> so, if SpaceX does a test today, what's your guess what they'll do?

L122[14:02:15] <packbart> go boom?

L123[14:02:23] <flayer> stress test their PR department by allowing elon musk to have a facebook account

L124[14:02:37] <Althego> i dot expecta boom at this stage

L125[14:02:42] <packbart> :(

L126[14:02:54] <packbart> big badaboom is why I'd watch it

L127[14:03:03] <Althego> hehe

L128[14:03:15] <Althego> i wouldwatch it for an orbital launch

L129[14:03:31] <packbart> nah, those all look the same

L130[14:03:57] <Althego> it would be the first launch of starship

L131[14:05:28] <flayer> yeah starship orbital launch is worth watching for that alone (for me anyway)

L132[14:05:44] <flayer> although really its the coming back down which interests me

L133[14:15:20] <Althego> probably not much to see there for the first time

L134[14:15:27] <Althego> ei expect it to come down in pieces

L135[14:16:15] <Althego> probably there will be a recording, glowing pieces flying and making streaks

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L139[15:03:39] <Mat2ch> https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/wispr_image.jpg

L140[15:03:48] <Mat2ch> Uh, hot! Could be nsfw! ;)

L141[15:12:58] <packbart> not safe for warp?

L142[15:14:41] <packbart> (searched and found: https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/humanity-has-touched-the-sun/ )

L143[15:14:42] <Althego> is this some sun ejection?

L144[15:15:16] <packbart> it's the Parker probe gathering science while "flying low over the Sun" ;)

L145[15:15:25] <Althego> hehe

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L159[19:43:25] <raptop> pretty much, yeah

L160[19:44:23] <Althego> imagine jeb vlimbing out from a hidden compartment on the probe, while the space music is playing. hehe, they thought they can launch without me...

L161[19:45:07] <NGC3982> i love how the twitter feed is filled with people who are dissapointed with the image quality from the PSP venture

L162[19:45:35] <darsie> Is KSP2 vaporware?

L163[19:45:36] <Althego> playstation portable?

L164[19:45:43] <NGC3982> because I cAn Do tHaT bEtTeR wiTh mY PhOnE loLoLo tAx MonEy wAsTe

L165[19:45:46] <Althego> i dont think it is vaporware

L166[19:45:52] <Althego> maybe after 4 more years of waiting

L167[19:46:00] <NGC3982> oh i thought i was in #space again

L168[19:46:06] <Althego> hehe

L169[19:46:06] <NGC3982> dang that darsie

L170[19:46:14] <Althego> the overlap of people

L171[19:46:19] <NGC3982> figures

L172[19:46:22] <Althego> really annoying that Mat2ch is not there

L173[19:46:29] <raptop> hrm

L174[19:47:08] <Mat2ch> I'm here!

L175[19:47:11] <NGC3982> \o/

L176[19:47:14] <raptop> darsie: well, between the management issues and that they didn't realize just how big a task they set for themselves...

L177[19:47:17] <Althego> but not there

L178[19:47:32] <bees> darsie: You attempt to stop the hypetrain. You end up in the intensive care ward.

L179[19:47:40] <Mat2ch> just came back from grocery shopping. Hope I got everything for the holidays

L180[19:47:48] <Althego> hehe fitting poutcome

L181[19:47:48] <darsie> What was the task they set for themselves?

L182[19:48:00] <Althego> even if you stopped it, people would beat you up

L183[19:48:04] <Mat2ch> Althego: oh, you mean in #space. :D

L184[19:48:13] <darsie> Well, I guess what I've seen on youtube so far.

L185[19:48:14] <Althego> ##space actually

L186[19:48:40] <Mat2ch> When I post in #space, then I'm not posting here anymore and then this channel will be dying even faster...

L187[19:49:49] <raptop> darsie: the whole more or less realistic interstellar travel and multiple star systems bit comes to mind, but also the base-building, and trying to have something that fakes up n-body physics well enough

L188[19:49:57] <darsie> Will there me more and more interesting missions in KSP2?

L189[19:50:07] <Althego> there could be all separate games by themselves

L190[19:51:43] <bees> raptop: you can probably simulate n-body with shells of "influence spheres" around binary systems at almost zero overhead

L191[19:52:56] <raptop> something something quadropole moments?

L192[19:56:03] <bees> and it would still be bad, yeah

L193[19:59:40] <darsie> Kerbol-Kerbin-L2?

L194[19:59:52] <darsie> halo orbit?

L195[20:00:30] <bees> Lx points can be approximated by influence spheres too

L196[20:00:50] <raptop> The problem being that Rask/Rusk are supposed to be like Duna/Ike, but more

L197[20:00:51] <bees> halo nope

L198[20:01:03] <raptop> And they set up ring systems as a challenge for themselves

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L201[20:02:05] <darsie> Bump into rock/ice chunks and change their orbits?

L202[20:06:10] <Althego> kikkerikii

L203[20:06:48] <raptop> darsie: maybe!

L204[20:08:41] <Mat2ch> darsie: they were talking about building colonies and managing them

L205[20:09:15] <Althego> something about transporting stuff

L206[20:09:25] <Althego> and then once you did it once it would automatic

L207[20:10:12] <Althego> even the managament of one colony is complicated, managing multiple with transportation among these is even harder

L208[20:10:19] <Althego> then there is the whole spaceship game thing too

L209[20:12:08] <raptop> And it makes time more of an important resource

L210[20:12:23] <raptop> Also, does the player have to fly all ships?

L211[20:16:29] <bees> i'd assume you need to fly them once

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L213[20:17:26] <bees> "Proving Contract: Deliver [slider between 0...100] tons cargo to 80x80 km orbit and [optional] return your rocket back to KSC"

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