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L24[04:31:51] <Althego> a rapping reaper and a racing nephilim
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L35[08:46:14] <Althego> soon tm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq5UNqtN1a8
L36[08:46:22] <Althego> lucy
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L38[09:33:44] <Althego> less than a minute
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L41[10:14:27] <UmbralRaptop> Yay, it worked
L42[10:21:30] <FLHerne> I kind of love building stupid low-tech things in early career
L43[10:21:50] <FLHerne> contract says "launch this wheel to Kerbin escape velocity"
L44[10:22:21] <FLHerne> ok, so I'll build a pile of solids with a Probodyne on top and literally no steering control at all
L45[10:22:27] <FLHerne> and fire it straight up
L46[10:23:05] <FLHerne> next up I'm planning to do the same but with five tourists :p
L47[10:29:17] <UmbralRaptop> The tourists don't need to be safely returned?
L48[10:31:04] <FLHerne> well, the unguided-robot-solid thing
L49[10:31:27] <FLHerne> I wish they didn't need to be safely returned, otherwise I'd have just fulfilled the contract :D
L50[10:31:49] <FLHerne> they got their money's worth, I overdid the rocket and launched them to 250kkm
L51[10:32:08] <FLHerne> but then they re-entered too fast and plowed into a mountain at 1500m/s
L52[10:32:17] <Althego> lol
L53[10:32:26] <FLHerne> so I need a slightly more sedate launch
L54[10:32:36] <UmbralRaptop> oops
L55[10:33:16] <UmbralRaptop> Apparently the solution is fewer boosters?
L56[10:33:32] <FLHerne> Amazingly, yes
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L58[10:36:06] <FLHerne> dammit
L59[10:36:31] <FLHerne> that time it would have WORKED if they hadn't come down right on the highest peak of Mt Whoopstooshort
L60[10:36:43] <FLHerne> the parachutes were _just about to open_
L61[10:37:00] <UmbralRaptop> hah
L62[11:46:51] <darsie> FLHerne: "Compound prefix symbols, i.e. prefix symbols formed by the juxtaposition of two or more prefix symbols, are not permitted." https://www.bipm.org/documents/20126/41483022/SI-Brochure-9-EN.pdf/2d2b50bf-f2b4-9661-f402-5f9d66e4b507?version=1.10&download=true
L63[11:47:12] <darsie> kkm is not permitted. Mm is .
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L68[14:02:50] <Althego> kikkerikii
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L74[15:27:15] <so> hello
L75[15:27:16] <Mod9000> Hello, so
L76[15:30:14] <so> imagine a mod that makes every planet 1000 times smaller
L77[15:30:59] <UmbralRaptop> uh
L78[15:31:40] <UmbralRaptop> How would buildings be handled?
L79[15:32:14] <UmbralRaptop> (kerbin would be 1200 m across. The runway is 2000 m)
L80[15:34:08] <packbart> a runway into space
L81[15:34:37] <so> yes
L82[15:34:45] <so> a runway into space
L83[15:35:10] <so> me when 70 meter atmosphere
L84[15:38:51] <so> ok i might try to make a mod that makes all planets 100x smaller (10x already exists)
L85[15:39:51] <UmbralRaptop> Would the Mün be at 12 Mm or 12 km?
L86[15:42:22] <so> uh
L87[15:42:48] <so> 12km i guess
L88[15:42:57] <so> but i need to learn kopernicus
L89[15:44:29] <so> which is hard
L90[15:44:32] <so> kinda
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L96[17:36:08] <Guest43189> Hey all
L97[17:36:23] <Althego> hi
L98[17:36:25] <Mod9000> Hello, Althego
L99[17:36:28] <Althego> argh
L100[17:36:31] <Althego> i always forget
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L102[17:41:32] <Guest43189> trying to figure out this ckan version stuff so i can install stockalike station parts
L103[17:45:49] <packbart> works for me in 1.12. I usually just enable compatibility down to 1.10
L104[17:46:01] <Guest43189> alright lemme try it.
L105[17:46:19] <packbart> Settings -> Compatible Game Versions
L106[17:46:28] <Guest43189> ah that did the trick
L107[17:46:36] <packbart> huh, looks like I even go down to 1.6
L108[17:46:39] <Guest43189> when i load up the game, there wont be any issues?
L109[17:46:43] <Guest43189> since i have 1.12
L110[17:46:53] <packbart> compatibility versions are overrated
L111[17:47:04] <packbart> Guest43189: SSPXr works fine for me in 1.12
L112[17:48:22] <Guest43189> i didnt have any of my game comaptible modes on
L113[17:48:27] <Guest43189> i didnt know i could do that
L114[17:48:55] <Guest43189> with just the 1.12 there was no box to click. now that i went to 1.6 its allowing me to install the mod
L115[17:49:56] <Guest43189> im not very good with the game. just like the mods and building things lol
L116[17:50:14] <packbart> linuxgurugamer moved to just omit a "maximum compatible version" because one just can't know if it's compatible with future versions before they are released
L117[17:50:52] <Guest43189> oh i see
L118[17:51:20] <Guest43189> thanks for all your help!
L119[17:52:59] <packbart> hm. the Stockalike Station Parts reports to be compatible with 1.12
L120[17:53:23] <packbart> so it shouldn't have been necessary to use the compatibility override
L121[17:56:35] <packbart> I probably could pare down my mod list a bit more. some of them I don't even really use. https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/kspmods.txt
L122[17:57:24] <Guest43189> Yea that list looks pretty close to mine
L123[17:57:52] <packbart> the Deployable Batteries don't really work that well anymore. I rarely use the 2.5m material science bay or the EVA handrails
L124[17:58:31] <Guest43189> Yea i dont think i have that one
L125[18:00:47] <Guest43189> When a mod pack has rockets. Where can i go to find out how to put them together
L126[18:02:41] <packbart> hm. in the VAB? ;) not sure what you're asking. the forum post for the mod should have some examples, probably
L127[18:03:18] <Guest43189> one sec. i gotta go delete some mods now. i got way too many parts i dont need.
L128[18:13:33] <packbart> Purple Space Program - love it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlK1n_aRlxY&list=PLQDZ9YZtAQPx6fiCe3ZM-UBu_gfbWm_OA&index=12
L129[18:13:45] <packbart> (transplanted the KSC to Eve)
L130[18:22:53] <Guest43189> idk what that means. but i like scotts videos
L131[18:23:38] <packbart> That's "Not Manley Here" :)
L132[18:24:07] <Althego> there was a mod for this. you could start on duna or eve
L133[18:24:16] <packbart> and this series places the KSC on Eve where it takes massive vehicles just to get to orbit
L134[18:24:44] <Althego> it is about as hard to get into eve orbit as earth
L135[18:25:03] <Althego> but honestly eve is not as hard as it used to be
L136[18:27:35] <Guest43189> lol i havent been to any planets. only to the mood
L137[18:27:37] <Guest43189> moon
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L139[18:33:31] <packbart> Althego: well, there's a mod for that. Realistic Atmospheres has an option to put Eve surface pressure at 10 (Kerbin) atmospheres
L140[18:34:14] <Althego> at that point engines dont work
L141[18:35:31] <packbart> so, there are mods for that... Eve-optimized engines and explodium-breathing jets (bring tanks full of oxidizer and collect fuel from the "air")
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L143[18:36:34] <packbart> I haven't tried any of those, though. Stock Eve is heavy enough for me, if I even get there
L144[18:38:56] <packbart> I'll try JNSQ sometime. it's a bit bigger than stock but still only 1/4 real size
L145[18:53:01] <darsie> I once did an Eve sample return.
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L147[19:06:27] <Guest40668> im back!
L148[19:06:39] <Guest40668> but still very lost
L149[19:07:01] <Guest40668> There was a file that already had the ISS built
L150[19:07:44] <packbart> I guess there are several variants on kerbalx.com
L151[19:08:33] <Guest40668> i need to keep that website. looks helpful.
L152[19:12:11] <Guest40668> i like the probe pack. becuase in te description of the part. It tells where it goes and what number sequence
L153[19:13:31] <Althego> nsf live with scott
L154[19:13:40] <Guest40668> huh?
L155[19:15:17] <packbart> Guest40668: Nasaspaceflight on Youtube. "Asteroid hunting, Starship testing, Virgin Galactic delays, and more with Scott Manley!"
L156[19:15:23] <packbart> ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTVIIivKQEA )
L157[19:15:41] <packbart> I don't like NSF, though. they usually talk too much :)
L158[19:17:31] <Guest40668> ohhh ok
L159[19:17:41] <Guest40668> They aint talking about ksp tho lol
L160[19:20:04] <Althego> they are talking about space
L161[19:20:04] <Guest40668> thats like some real life stuff. Im still too new to comprehend what they are talking about
L162[19:20:22] <Guest40668> I understand a few things.
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L166[20:35:10] <so> hi
L167[20:35:11] <Mod9000> Hello, so
L168[20:35:26] <so> is there a mod that lets you program your rockets?
L169[20:35:49] <umaxtu> yup
L170[20:35:52] <umaxtu> kOS
L171[20:36:56] <so> oh
L172[20:36:57] <so> ok
L173[20:38:46] <packbart> and RedOnion
L174[20:38:55] <packbart> that one uses Lua-Dialects
L175[20:39:06] <packbart> I can't stand the awful syntax of kOS
L176[20:39:30] <so> oh
L177[20:39:31] <packbart> there's also kRPC that allows external programms to control KSP
L178[20:39:41] <so> hmmmmmmmmmm]
L179[20:39:50] <so> can i use python with it tho
L180[20:41:10] <packbart> yeah, I did that to automate refuelling a bunch of small monoprop tanks
L181[20:41:19] <so> oh
L182[20:41:30] <so> ill try to use kOS
L183[20:41:39] <so> and learn it as my 2nd language
L184[20:41:54] <packbart> I'd still recommend having a look at RedOnion, too ;)
L185[20:42:07] <so> ill try that too
L186[20:42:11] <packbart> whoever invented the kOS language must have hated computers
L187[20:42:29] <so> im working on my own programming language (dont ask why)
L188[20:44:19] <packbart> kOS does have the nicer looking terminal GUI. I might try and port that over to RedOnion which uses a much more bland design
L189[20:47:16] <so> is kOS file extension .ks?
L190[20:48:57] <so> lets go syntax hightlighting
L191[20:49:05] <so> highlighting*
L192[20:54:20] <umaxtu> packbart: I thought kRPC has been discontinued
L193[20:54:35] <so> wait
L194[20:54:47] <so> cant i just make a vbs program to click stuff for me?
L195[20:54:51] <so> oh wait
L196[20:54:59] <so> ill have to get the timing perfectly right
L197[20:56:27] <so> also what is kRPC?\
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L206[22:14:11] <packbart> umaxtu: yeah, I haven't used it for several versions now
L207[22:15:42] <packbart> well, the last commits were "just" a year ago. https://github.com/krpc/krpc
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L212[22:24:40] <packbart> the Moho Transfer probe core has an internal 2G relay antenna but it can't transmit science :(
L213[22:24:48] <packbart> back to the design board
L214[22:28:44] <raptop> *sad trombone*
L215[22:29:18] <packbart> I'm considering just MM-patching that flag ;)
L216[23:18:09] * darsie 's new refinery rover with swinging picoport and variable length legs to adjust for port height: https://i.postimg.cc/fsGMskFg/screenshot372.png
L217[23:22:02] <darsie> precursor for a 23 t Minmus ore to Kerbin surface mission.
L218[23:28:32] <bees> have fun with landing
L219[23:32:14] <darsie> Why do you say that?
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L221[23:32:22] <darsie> ahh, 23 t to Kerbin :)
L222[23:32:32] <darsie> yeah, gonna need some serious chutes and drogues.
L223[23:33:00] <darsie> Maybe a heat shield.
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