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L21[03:14:02] <TwistenX> shut up
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L29[04:44:54] <TwistenX> :)
L30[04:53:21] <TwistenX> :)
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L32[04:58:23] <TwistenX> :)
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L35[05:06:20] <TwistenX> :)
L36[05:15:20] <TwistenX> :)
L37[05:15:46] <TwistenX> lithobraking?
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L39[05:28:49] <TwistenX> anyways im outta here
L40[05:28:56] <TwistenX> time to have infinite fun
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L47[07:37:00] <Guest43039> wow
L48[07:37:11] <Guest43039> place really changed since the forum migration
L49[07:44:29] <packbart> what changed?
L50[07:57:41] <Guest43039> pretty dang empty
L51[07:58:11] <Guest43039> :)
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L53[07:58:32] <XXCoder> lol its lready pretty empty here
L54[07:58:45] <XXCoder> i first joined when this channel was over 800 people and text never stops
L55[08:10:19] <packbart> well, it's IRC. pretty much unknown today
L56[08:10:49] <packbart> the Reddit KSP Discord Thingy is quite active
L57[08:14:48] <packbart> try talking KSP on Usenet... ;)
L58[08:16:39] <Althego> hehe
L59[08:20:03] <Izaya> services die when they are murdered
L60[08:21:10] <packbart> but they aren't
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L62[08:22:23] <packbart> we're still here. and my NNTP server apparently still transfers Usenet articles between its peers. I just don't read them
L63[08:23:29] <Izaya> was mostly talking about certain ... competitors acting hostile towards IRC, the zombie state of many channels makes me sad
L64[08:28:23] <packbart> well, it's not what $people expect from their chat services nowadays
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L66[08:28:36] <packbart> <insert reaction.gif>
L67[08:30:24] <packbart> irssi doesn't even have a quick emoji selector
L68[08:31:15] <packbart> 🤔
L69[08:37:18] <Izaya> my terminal can't even render whatever that is :D
L70[08:37:39] <Althego> thinking face emoji
L71[08:37:46] <Althego> the terminal can render it
L72[08:37:52] <Althego> you just need the font
L73[08:37:59] <Izaya> sure, it could, if I had any fonts with that glyph installed :p
L74[08:38:23] <packbart> it's standard since 2015
L75[08:39:18] <Izaya> I just install fonts that look nice for text, emoji don't tend to express anything important or interesting anyway
L76[08:39:48] <packbart> I'd disagree
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L78[08:40:08] <Althego> not used much in irc
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L81[08:47:40] <Majin> Fun is infinite!
L82[08:53:03] <Majin> セガエンタープライズの楽しさは無限大です。 -マジン。
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L85[09:05:06] <Majin> why does this website give out your ip address
L86[09:05:24] <Majin> isn't that kinda illegal
L87[09:05:38] <Althego> how else would you expect the packets to find you?
L88[09:05:51] <darsie> Which website?
L89[09:05:57] <Althego> i guess webchat
L90[09:06:07] <Majin> darsie: this website, dingus
L91[09:06:15] <Izaya> I'm not using a website
L92[09:06:16] <Althego> it is not a website
L93[09:06:19] <Izaya> don't even have a web browser open
L94[09:06:23] <darsie> idk what website you're talkind about?
L95[09:06:27] <Majin> darsie: this webchat** dingus
L96[09:06:29] <Althego> you are using a web client
L97[09:06:43] <darsie> You're in an IRC chat. IRC is not web, just as email is not a web site.
L98[09:07:02] <Althego> but for most people it is, because they use gmail through a browser
L99[09:07:13] <Majin> .
L100[09:07:25] <darsie> .
L101[09:07:30] <Majin> what if i change my ip
L102[09:07:31] <Izaya> ,
L103[09:07:48] <darsie> Then your packets will be routed another way.
L104[09:07:48] <Althego> right now?
L105[09:07:54] <Majin> sure
L106[09:08:02] <Althego> the packets wouldnt find you and you would be disconnected
L107[09:08:09] <Majin> o
L108[09:08:27] <Majin> what packets
L109[09:08:30] <Izaya> poor lost packets
L110[09:08:47] <darsie> If you send an email, the headers may tell the recipient your IP.
L111[09:09:07] <Majin> is that bad
L112[09:09:11] <darsie> idk
L113[09:09:15] <Izaya> not usually
L114[09:09:33] <Majin> o ok
L115[09:10:12] <Majin> HIDE AND SEEK - ACT 1
L116[09:10:15] <Izaya> an IP address alone only really tells you which ISP that IP is currently controlled by
L117[09:10:36] <Althego> and in many cases approximate location on earth
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L119[09:10:47] <darsie> https://www.iplocation.net/ip-lookup says you're from Lynnwood Lilliwaup Shelton Union
L120[09:10:51] <Althego> too late
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L122[09:11:23] <Majin> approximate??
L123[09:11:27] <darsie> https://www.iplocation.net/ip-lookup says you're from Lynnwood Lilliwaup Shelton Union
L124[09:11:37] <Majin> me?
L125[09:11:41] <darsie> yes
L126[09:11:42] <packbart> an IP address is considered private data under GDPR rules, though
L127[09:11:47] <Althego> there are geoip databases that try to correlate you location with ip
L128[09:12:04] <Majin> AHHHHHH
L129[09:12:09] <Majin> I HATE IT
L130[09:12:16] <Althego> so usually you could get a city, maybe a district
L131[09:12:19] <Majin> IT'S ACTUALLY CLOSE
L132[09:12:21] <darsie> Maybe IRC is not for you.
L133[09:12:33] <darsie> Try discord or so.
L134[09:12:37] <Althego> hehe
L135[09:12:43] <Althego> does that help?
L136[09:12:46] <darsie> idk
L137[09:12:49] <Althego> i dont know how it works
L138[09:13:01] <darsie> Also avoid email.
L139[09:13:05] <Althego> sooner or later there has to be an ip somewhere for bidirectional communication
L140[09:13:07] <Izaya> it used to not proxy media requests
L141[09:13:19] <Izaya> so you could post an image URL and get all the clients that fetch it
L142[09:13:31] <Majin> oh ok
L143[09:13:40] <packbart> discord doesn't disclose your IP to all the channel members. and mail servers can be configured to strip that information, too
L144[09:13:43] <Izaya> I'm told that's been fixed, but I've never used it
L145[09:13:44] <Althego> you could use a vpn. if you dont feel sick instantly on the mention, because of all the youtube channels advertising vpns
L146[09:14:00] <darsie> Worry about pics in emails, even 1x1 pixel pics. They may be loaded from a web server telling the email sender your IP.
L147[09:14:07] <packbart> I've got some Perfect Privacy coupons somewhere...
L148[09:14:24] <darsie> I use simple HTML view for emails.
L149[09:14:31] <Majin> https://drive.google.com/file/d/12X3qWiCMCQNvZdvr2-F7DBXtQETCIYkw/view?usp=sharing
L150[09:14:43] <packbart> darsie: those servers also fall under GDPR
L151[09:14:58] <darsie> If they're in the EU.
L152[09:15:02] <packbart> IRC flies deep enough under the radar so that nobody really cares
L153[09:15:03] <Izaya> it's kind of neat how every youtube video that advertises a VPN mildly degrades the trustworthiness of the whole enterprise
L154[09:15:08] <darsie> Or operated by an EU entity, I guess.
L155[09:15:28] <Majin> but before we continue this video...
L156[09:15:36] <Majin> A WORD FROM OUR SPONSOR
L157[09:15:41] <Althego> video killed the radio star
L158[09:15:51] <Majin> N O R D V P N
L159[09:15:53] <darsie> BTW, I and others log chat, including the IPs.
L160[09:15:57] <Izaya> friendly reminder that sponsorblock exists
L161[09:16:05] <darsie> I have 4 GB of logs.
L162[09:16:06] <Izaya> and that you should use it, because advertising rots your brain
L163[09:16:19] <Majin> i hate grammarly
L164[09:16:23] <packbart> yeah, I worked for PP and we could never figure out how NSAVPN could run with those small fees (and they give 100% to the affiliate)
L165[09:16:29] <darsie> Some logs are public.
L166[09:16:31] <Majin> it is literally 70% of my ads on youtube
L167[09:16:52] <packbart> darsie: I did not give you permission to store my chat texts :P
L168[09:16:59] <darsie> true
L169[09:17:03] <packbart> *calls lawyer*
L170[09:17:06] <Majin> THATS ILLEGAL
L171[09:17:16] <packbart> indeed, it probably would be
L172[09:17:18] <darsie> In what jurisdiction?
L173[09:17:25] <packbart> yours
L174[09:17:26] <Majin> #downwithdarsieparty on twitter
L175[09:17:36] <darsie> I don't do twitter.
L176[09:17:38] <darsie> or fb
L177[09:17:42] <darsie> or ig
L178[09:17:52] <XXCoder> nor jz?
L179[09:17:56] <darsie> what's that?
L180[09:17:58] <Izaya> fedi or bust
L181[09:18:03] <XXCoder> nonexistant site lol
L182[09:18:13] <darsie> I don't do whatsapp
L183[09:18:14] <Althego> jz sounds like asm mnemonic
L184[09:18:23] <Izaya> Jump if Zero
L185[09:18:23] <darsie> jump if zero
L186[09:18:24] <XXCoder> jump if zero
L187[09:18:25] <darsie> :
L188[09:18:26] <darsie> :)
L189[09:18:34] <Majin> jz sounds like a soundcloud rapper name
L190[09:18:37] <XXCoder> iz is winner, what wioth caps and all
L191[09:18:40] <Althego> but how did we get there?
L192[09:18:51] <packbart> through a call
L193[09:19:36] * packbart pops the stack
L194[09:19:37] <Althego> calli
L195[09:19:38] <packbart> iret
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L197[09:19:45] <darsie> There's a public log of an IRC channel with IPs: https://gnusha.org/logs/2008-03-27.log 21:23 -!- fenn_ [n=pz@adsl-76-252-191-250.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap
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L199[09:20:05] <darsie> There's a public log of an IRC channel with IPs: https://gnusha.org/logs/2008-03-27.log 21:23 -!- fenn_ [n=pz@adsl-76-252-191-250.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap
L200[09:20:23] <darsie> https://gnusha.org/logs/
L201[09:20:41] <Majin> here, take a random non-suspicious google drive file of mine https://drive.google.com/file/d/13aONsPMLBZsj4VkfvDz0kaI3pGPEQOPl/view?usp=sharing
L202[09:21:30] <darsie> I had malware I received via email on my web server when it was still online. GPG encrypted.
L203[09:21:53] <Majin> lmao maybe you should've been smart
L204[09:23:18] <darsie> Do you play KSP?
L205[09:23:27] <Majin> ye?
L206[09:23:31] <Althego> do you even lift? :)
L207[09:23:49] <Majin> when you have fun, you don't need to lift
L208[09:24:07] * darsie rides bike and climbs stairs.
L209[09:24:15] <packbart> what a drag
L210[09:24:43] <darsie> Sometimes I ruin my spine by lifting stuff.
L211[09:25:04] <Majin> i ruin my spine by existing
L212[09:25:31] <darsie> We're supposed to be quadpods.
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L215[09:26:00] <darsie> Majin: Maybe a dedicated IRC client doesn't cut out that often.
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L217[09:26:06] <Majin> a what
L218[09:26:07] <darsie> Majin: Maybe a dedicated IRC client doesn't cut out that often.
L219[09:26:31] <Majin> shut up
L220[09:26:47] <Majin> my device keeps trying to close the tab itself
L221[09:26:51] * darsie hugs Majin.
L222[09:26:54] <darsie> silently
L223[09:27:03] * packbart slaps darsie around a bit with a large trout
L224[09:27:12] <darsie> That's not vegan!
L225[09:27:16] <Majin> T R O U T S L A P
L226[09:28:41] <Majin> i am an official animal rights activist
L227[09:28:51] <Althego> hehe the classic trout
L228[09:28:53] <darsie> official. Got a badge?
L229[09:29:02] <packbart> People Eat Tasty Animals?
L230[09:29:14] <Althego> peta
L231[09:29:15] * Majin flips out his Animal Activist bage
L232[09:29:21] <Majin> verified on twitter
L233[09:29:30] * darsie has a lifetime v-card.
L234[09:29:58] <Majin> wow
L235[09:29:58] <darsie> Vegan society of Austria membership card
L236[09:30:15] <Majin> lmao imagine living in Austria
L237[09:30:20] <Majin> cringe
L238[09:30:23] <darsie> I got that for paying money, not being vegan.
L239[09:30:34] <Majin> that's cheating
L240[09:30:44] <darsie> It's easy to imagen for me.
L241[09:30:46] <Majin> I'm gonna have to revoke that card from you
L242[09:30:48] <darsie> imagine*
L243[09:31:18] <darsie> I'd give it to you for 400 EUR.
L244[09:31:25] * Majin grabs darsie's v-card and rides away in his motorized shopping cart
L245[09:32:11] <Majin> speed
L246[09:32:31] <Majin> also i dont have any european money
L247[09:32:42] <darsie> I accept bitcoin and monero.
L248[09:33:02] <Majin> lmao bitcoin is so bad compared to what's being invested in right now
L249[09:35:10] <Majin> i would say what it is but nah
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L252[09:47:04] <Majin> dumb client
L253[09:47:31] <Majin> DANG IT
L254[09:47:37] <Majin> マジン
L255[09:48:49] <Majin> ya'll remember Sunky.mpeg?
L256[09:50:47] <Althego> no
L257[09:52:52] <Majin> oh
L258[09:53:02] <Majin> well then
L259[09:53:10] <Majin> do you remember sonic.exe?
L260[09:54:04] <darsie> Are you TwistenX?
L261[09:54:57] <Majin> yep
L262[09:55:16] <Althego> should have known
L263[09:55:33] <Majin> you guys are so unsmart
L264[09:55:50] <Majin> everytime i change my identity it somehow confuses you
L265[09:56:08] <Izaya> stop
L266[09:56:14] <Majin> no
L267[09:56:28] <Majin> you physically cannot make me
L268[09:57:23] * darsie votes to quiet Majin for a minute.
L269[09:57:57] <Majin> your vote is not counted in this capitalistic land of infinite fun
L270[09:58:22] <darsie> For insulting me.
L271[09:58:29] <darsie> us
L272[09:58:36] <darsie> Althego: do it.
L273[09:58:41] <Majin> no
L274[09:58:51] <Majin> please
L275[09:59:12] <Majin> i don't regret it but please don't mute me again
L276[09:59:16] <darsie> hahaha
L277[09:59:43] <Majin> shut
L278[10:00:29] * darsie jetpack deorbits Majin without a parachute.
L279[10:00:40] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQRW0RM4V0k
L280[10:00:42] <Althego> but no
L281[10:01:12] <Majin> if this were a discord call i'd be screaming into my mic
L282[10:01:49] <Althego> the problem is, there is no hostmask, just ip
L283[10:02:04] <darsie> Majin: Try this: https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Jetpack_deorbit
L284[10:02:07] <Althego> or rather no host, and cant make a hostmask
L285[10:02:12] <Majin> me when the fun is infinite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHX6IBFXyzA
L286[10:02:47] <Izaya> I like how some networks show a hash of the IP/host and a server-side salt instead of the actual host
L287[10:04:16] <Majin> yes
L288[10:04:44] <darsie> Majin: Or if you want a real challenge, try to jetpack to orbit from the surface of the Mun.
L289[10:05:12] <Majin> im not good enough at the game
L290[10:05:22] <Althego> git gud
L291[10:05:47] <Majin> i've never finished a mission (successfully) outside of the Kerbin-Mun-Minmus System.
L292[10:06:00] <darsie> Why not?
L293[10:06:09] <Izaya> attention span too short
L294[10:06:23] <Majin> Izaya: ADHD gets you good as a teenager
L295[10:07:17] <darsie> Building a space station in Kerbol orbit is easy.
L296[10:07:28] <Majin> I'm usually never inspired enough and I don't finish missions
L297[10:07:57] <Majin> darsie: ehhhh...
L298[10:09:18] <darsie> an IR telescope in Kerbol orbit can give you all the money you need, but it requires some tech.
L299[10:09:49] <Izaya> the Gigastructural Engineering mod for Stellaris adds a Kerbol system with a "Rogue Weaponised Eeloo"
L300[10:10:16] <Majin> there's a lot more space outside of any planetary systems and you gotta be moving fast to catch up with the core
L301[10:11:24] <Majin> a gilly space station sounds interesting
L302[10:11:29] <darsie> tera, peta, exa, (yocto?), (zepto?)
L303[10:11:44] <darsie> yocta, zepta*
L304[10:11:55] * Majin dies by colliding with Kerbin's oceans at the speed of sound
L305[10:12:04] <Izaya> the base game has megastructures
L306[10:12:12] <darsie> zetta, yotta
L307[10:12:13] <Izaya> so gigastructural engineering also adds gigastructures and kilostructures
L308[10:12:38] <Majin> you can make extreme gigastructures with the infinite symmetry glitch
L309[10:14:10] <Majin> Wow, these KSP flash animations are cool
L310[10:15:15] <Althego> flash. which is not used by anything anymore
L311[10:15:29] <Majin> rip
L312[10:15:33] <Majin> :(
L313[10:15:53] <Althego> no, i hope it is in digital hell
L314[10:16:01] <Althego> screaming up at us
L315[10:16:19] <Majin> why
L316[10:16:30] <Althego> along with activex
L317[10:16:34] <Majin> wait im gonna go draw that
L318[10:16:47] <Majin> brb in about 10 minutes
L319[10:17:44] <Althego> birb in about 3 hours :)
L320[10:17:52] <Althego> (with a rat)
L321[10:33:47] <Majin> done
L322[10:34:41] <Majin> https://drive.google.com/file/d/149qScWcyizmeephAfrSH__T7rm2PGI4y/view?usp=sharing
L323[10:35:19] <Majin> adobe flash in digital hell (feat. Izaya, darsie, Majin, Althego, and raptop)
L324[10:39:17] <Althego> macromedia flash
L325[10:40:16] <Majin> yes
L326[10:40:31] <Althego> i am not going to log in unless absolutely necessary
L327[10:40:34] <Althego> which is about never
L328[10:40:58] <Majin> inside of Majin's mind: (what is he talking about?) (what's macromedia flash?) (where am i?) (im hungry)
L329[10:42:42] <Majin> Valentina eliminates coronavirus with an imperial star destroyer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH4XoFT8zqI
L330[10:42:50] <Althego> before adobe it was macromedia. but i didnt know that even before that it was futurewave
L331[10:44:30] <Majin> im not old enough to know that
L332[10:46:00] <Althego> even until its last day it was in the macromedia dir on windows
L333[10:47:01] <Majin> i want to see how ksp looked when it was 2d
L334[10:47:14] <Althego> it was never 2d
L335[10:47:18] <Althego> but there is a joke about it
L336[10:47:29] <Majin> GAHHHHHHH
L337[10:47:34] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_16eZks21U
L338[10:47:37] <Majin> what is the joke
L339[10:47:46] <Althego> this video
L340[10:48:01] <Majin> ohh, that video
L341[10:48:17] <Althego> the chiptune is still better then the actual menu music
L342[10:49:29] <Majin> I told VAOS to sing the KSP theme and he didn't know which song i was talking about
L343[10:50:00] <Majin> he said that he thought KSP was just a bunch of copyright-free music stacked on top of each other (which is partly true)
L344[10:50:11] <Althego> most of it
L345[10:50:31] <Althego> the menu music is original. and i think the credits too
L346[10:50:37] <Althego> but nobody clicks on that :)
L347[10:50:59] <Majin> in my opinion, the main theme is one of the best tracks in-game
L348[10:51:59] <Althego> yes, but chip version is better
L349[10:52:09] <Majin> no
L350[10:52:16] <Majin> orchestral version
L351[10:54:45] <Majin> i also want an orchestral version of all the space tracks
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L353[11:07:19] <Majin> HIDE AND SEEK
L354[11:07:53] <Althego> hidnseek.mid
L355[11:08:19] <Majin> 10
L356[11:08:21] <Majin> 9
L357[11:08:22] <Majin> 8
L358[11:08:24] <Majin> 7
L359[11:08:25] <Majin> 6
L360[11:08:26] <Majin> 5
L361[11:08:27] <Majin> 4
L362[11:08:28] <Majin> 3
L363[11:08:29] <Majin> 2
L364[11:08:30] <Majin> 1
L365[11:08:41] <Majin> foUnD yOu
L366[11:19:35] <Majin> give me your liver for free infinite fun
L367[11:20:12] <packbart> Adobe Gordon
L368[11:20:29] <Majin> what
L369[11:20:50] <Althego> flash, a-aaaa
L370[11:21:11] <Althego> (every time somebody mentions flash, i think of this)
L371[11:21:42] <FLHerne> Althego: now I want 8-bit KSP that's actually playable :-(
L372[11:22:14] <FLHerne> It's kind of cheating in that video when the rocket rotates and the pixels rotate with it
L373[11:22:20] <Althego> yes
L374[11:22:22] <FLHerne> that isn't a feature of real displays
L375[11:22:32] <Majin> fake news smh
L376[11:22:34] <Althego> there was also the 8bit starcraft
L377[11:23:12] <packbart> Flesh Gordon was a funny movie, too. Probably would be illegal today
L378[11:23:55] <Majin>
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L380[11:28:49] <Majin> im going to drive over the speed limit
L381[11:32:16] <Majin> im going to be offline for a few days
L382[11:32:19] <Majin> dont ask why
L383[11:32:30] <Izaya> why
L384[11:34:09] <Majin> i did something illegal
L385[11:37:46] <Majin> let me into your home, althego
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L391[13:08:59] <Althego> kikkerikii
L392[13:09:38] <Althego> lol, who would put a chaos rat in a kitchen
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L395[14:13:40] <darsie> "This page has been requested to be moved to Tutorials/Jetpack deorbit." Is this requested to be done by me?
L396[14:15:59] <packbart> I don't know. can you move pages in the wiki?
L397[14:17:59] <darsie> idk, is this a special privilege?
L398[14:18:11] <darsie> I can sure make a new one.
L399[14:18:27] <darsie> But not delete the old one.
L400[14:19:24] <packbart> I think it's a thing for a wiki admin to do
L401[14:19:35] <darsie> I don't see how I can move it.
L402[14:45:01] <raptop> hrm
L403[14:48:31] <Althego> "i like to move it move it" :)
L404[14:51:21] <raptop> I think it works better as Tutorials:Jetpack deorbit?
L405[14:53:41] <darsie> Was that a question?
L406[14:54:05] <packbart> well, it's been moved
L407[14:54:42] <packbart> "UmbralRaptor moved page Jetpack deorbit to Tutorial:Jetpack deorbit: requested" :)
L408[14:54:59] <raptop> only partially a question
L409[14:56:01] <packbart> hm. either Tutorial or Tutorial_s_ probably works
L410[14:56:21] <packbart> ( https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Tutorial redirects to Tutorials )
L411[14:56:44] <packbart> ah, I see. the others also use singular
L412[14:56:52] <packbart> never mind me rambling. carry on
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L414[15:00:57] <packbart> the only question that remains... "farther" or "further"?
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L417[15:04:48] * darsie added https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Tutorial:Low_tech_Duna_sample_return to https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Tutorials#Duna .
L418[15:05:17] <raptop> yay
L419[15:05:23] <Althego> no, the question is, if we have robot arms, why ant we have sample return without kerbals?
L420[15:07:43] <raptop> Well, it's possible for a kerbal to walk on the mun before they figure out basic radio-controlled rockets
L421[15:07:53] <packbart> or ladders
L422[15:07:58] <raptop> heh
L423[15:08:05] <packbart> and besides, there's a mod for that ;)
L424[15:08:23] <raptop> kerbals inveted the jepack before the ladder, like they're a TF2 meme
L425[15:08:39] <Althego> they invented rockets before wheels
L426[15:09:09] <packbart> it happens
L427[15:27:46] <bees> raptop: given that ladder is a reactionless thruster with planet-exterminating capacities...
L428[15:28:02] <bees> totally justified.
L429[15:28:04] <raptop> aaaaa
L430[15:28:17] <Althego> heh
L431[15:29:17] <flayer> raptop, hey prissy
L432[15:29:24] <Althego> danny can destroy planets in his 5 minute break with random parts
L433[15:30:49] <raptop> often klaws are involved
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L445[17:44:27] <Majin> h
L446[17:51:05] <Majin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBFCA48fUqE
L447[17:51:19] <Majin> WOOOOOOOO
L448[17:51:24] <Majin> HELL YEAH
L449[17:52:12] <Majin> (now i just need to get my hands on an Xbox Series XS for a reasonable price)
L450[18:04:27] <Majin> apparently you can launch yourself out of the solar system with only a velocity of ~5000 m/s at an altitude above Kerbin of 100-200km, and burning at Kerbin's prograde relative to Kerbol...
L451[18:04:38] <Majin> I wonder if this can be exploited :)
L452[18:04:57] <flayer> "only"
L453[18:06:00] <Majin> it's not that hard, nor expensive in funds
L454[18:06:33] <Majin> I did it with a Bobcat Engine, 5 Shrimp SRBs, and a Mite SRB
L455[18:07:04] <Majin> however, the satellite i launched is only ~3t
L456[18:08:30] <flayer> like your mom?
L457[18:08:54] <Majin> my mom is dead
L458[18:09:13] <flayer> just like the satellite isn't a living organism
L459[18:10:06] <Majin> who says?
L460[18:11:00] <Majin> you don't know what's inside the parts
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L463[18:19:19] <kubi> kindergarden?
L464[18:19:25] <TwistenX2> no
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L466[18:24:56] <Mat2ch> I loved Kindergarten :(
L467[18:27:05] <Deddly> That was weird, flayer
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L469[18:31:12] <TwistenX> "aerodynamics" is just a funny way to spell "more boosters"
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L471[18:32:42] *** Deddly changes topic to 'Kerbal Space Program official channel | versions: KSP1 1.12.2 bit.ly/ksp112update | Rules: tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | "modcall" to call ops | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | KSP coming to PS5 & XBox X/S, with kb & mouse support'
L472[18:32:48] <TwistenX> is it better to use 4 KS-25 Engines with a fuel tank or to just use the Mammoth Engine?
L473[18:32:56] <raptop> yay I guess
L474[18:33:02] <TwistenX> THANK YOU DEDDLY I'M SO HAPPY
L475[18:33:07] <TwistenX> WOOOOOOOO
L476[18:33:10] <Deddly> :)
L477[18:33:41] <TwistenX> (now i just need a Xbox Series XS, that's a reasonable and fitting price for what it's worth)
L478[18:33:59] <raptop> huh, same Isp, same overall thrust, but the Mammoth is 1 tonne lighter
L479[18:33:59] <Deddly> How much are they?
L480[18:34:16] <TwistenX> expensive
L481[18:34:19] <raptop> (So I guess it's that 1 tonne vs which has the best drag characteristics)
L482[18:34:28] <TwistenX> not as much as the PS5 tho
L483[18:35:13] <Deddly> How much is a PS5?
L484[18:35:23] <Deddly> Don't make me Google it, man
L485[18:35:33] <TwistenX> it's very unreasonable
L486[18:35:50] <TwistenX> crackheads on ebay tryna sell it for $3000 USD
L487[18:35:55] <Althego> also less part count
L488[18:36:03] <darsie> Deddly: links https:// are clickable with KVIrc.
L489[18:36:42] <TwistenX> part count only usually matters with frame rates and the kraken
L490[18:36:48] <Althego> in practically all clients. unless you are in irssi via putty, then the terminal is too dumb
L491[18:36:50] <Deddly> darsie, hmm? What link?
L492[18:37:01] <darsie> in the topic
L493[18:37:13] <darsie> bit.ly/ksp112update
L494[18:37:15] <Deddly> I'm on Hexchat
L495[18:37:20] <Deddly> Oh right
L496[18:37:21] <darsie> tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules
L497[18:38:12] <raptop> yeah, the links without an https:// aren't clickable for me (irssi+LXTerm) though the ones with are
L498[18:38:54] *** Deddly changes topic to 'Kerbal Space Program official channel | versions: KSP1 1.12.2 http://bit.ly/ksp112update | Rules: http://tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | "modcall" to call ops | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | KSP coming to PS5 & XBox X/S, with kb & mouse support'
L499[18:39:13] <Deddly> Does that work, or does it have to be https?
L500[18:39:19] <raptop> that works
L501[18:40:21] *** Deddly changes topic to 'Kerbal Space Program official channel | versions: KSP1 1.12.2 http://bit.ly/ksp112update | Rules: http://tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | "modcall" to call ops | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | KSP coming to PS5 & XBox X/S, with kb & mouse support https://bit.ly/3Abadja'
L502[18:40:40] <Deddly> OK thera ya go. Links galore
L503[18:40:52] <TwistenX> wow
L504[18:41:05] <Deddly> I can recommend Hexchat, by the way. Links work ;)
L505[18:41:25] <Althego> even without protocol part
L506[18:41:26] * raptop slaps hexchat around with unicode (especially characters off the BMP)
L507[18:41:44] <TwistenX> undertale 3
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L510[18:41:55] <TwistenX> 6 MODS WOOOOOOOO
L511[18:42:02] <Althego> but sometimes it just doesnt want to open them, it knows they are links, but nothing happens. then i must right click
L512[18:42:07] <Deddly> Ooh Dman979, hey :)
L513[18:42:09] <Dman979> Behold! It is I, your Mod!
L514[18:42:21] <raptop> Hilight/copy/paste always works at least
L515[18:42:31] <raptop> Dman979: graphite? light water? heavy water?
L516[18:42:37] <TwistenX> Behold! I don't care.
L517[18:42:52] <Althego> lol
L518[18:42:55] <Althego> the moderator
L519[18:43:33] <Dman979> How do I ban someone again? Asking for a friend who doesn't care
L520[18:43:33] <Deddly> Whatever happened to Aplayer?
L521[18:43:40] <TwistenX> AAAAAAAHH
L522[18:43:47] <Dman979> They became Aformerplayer
L523[18:43:59] * raptop has no real idea. College maybe?
L524[18:44:10] <Deddly> Dman979, you type /ban *!*c-98-235-164-132.hsd1.pa.comcast.net
L525[18:44:14] *** raptop sets mode: -b TwistenX!*@*
L526[18:44:22] <TwistenX> :(
L527[18:44:24] <raptop> wait, wrong sign
L528[18:45:08] * TwistenX forces raptop to EVA outside of his capsule while entering Eve
L529[18:45:29] * Dman979 rotates raptop to land on his helmet and survive
L530[18:45:44] * raptop has apparently been kerbalized
L531[18:45:46] <TwistenX> no
L532[18:45:49] <TwistenX> stop
L533[18:46:08] <Deddly> Stop what?
L534[18:46:10] <TwistenX> he was supposed to burn in the hellscape of entering Eve's atmosphere
L535[18:46:16] <Deddly> Ah
L536[18:46:54] <Deddly> Apparently he was in the cold side of the air flow until the atmosphere slowed him down enough.
L537[18:47:03] <TwistenX> darsie already tried to kill me yesterday by jetpack deorbiting
L538[18:48:01] <TwistenX> however, using my insanely high iq, i was able to exploit the aerodynamics engine and slammed into the ocean at several times to speed of sound and freaking died
L539[18:49:04] <Dman979> Should have *landed* on your helmet
L540[18:50:03] <TwistenX> why does that save a kerbal??
L541[18:50:29] <Althego> because it is a kerbal
L542[18:51:11] <Dman979> Because it's a *helmet*
L543[18:51:17] <Dman979> It protects your *head*
L544[18:51:38] <Dman979> And if you land head-first, the head protects the rest of you
L545[18:52:04] <TwistenX> i dont think a spacesuit helmet would save you from smacking into the ground at mach 3
L546[18:52:12] <Dman979> Now, let's say you're not a Kerbal.
L547[18:52:28] <TwistenX> you die
L548[18:52:41] <Dman979> Let's say you're a tigger. In that case, you'd want to land on your tail.
L549[18:52:51] <raptop> kitty!
L550[18:52:54] <Althego> hehe
L551[18:53:00] <Althego> i didnt expect that
L552[18:53:03] <Dman979> Because tiggers are wonderful things. Their tops are made out of rubber, their bottoms are made out of springs!
L553[18:53:39] * TwistenX shoots a tigger and turns them into the L-4 Landing Struts
L554[18:53:43] <TwistenX> :)
L555[18:54:04] <Dman979> You can't do that, they're an endangered species
L556[18:54:05] <FLHerne> Does the helmet thing still exist?
L557[18:54:23] <TwistenX> shut up it's not illegal if you don't get caught
L558[18:54:46] <FLHerne> TwistenX: in older KSP versions at least, Kerbals could survive impacts at terminal velocity on Kerbin so long as they landed on their head
L559[18:55:06] <Dman979> Still wouldn't work, TwistenX, because there's only one Tigger
L560[18:55:07] <FLHerne> leading to fun demonstrations of falling out of orbit
L561[18:55:23] <FLHerne> It would have made sense to remove that when they added parachutes
L562[18:55:27] <TwistenX> welcome to physics class where ksp makes no sense
L563[18:56:36] <TwistenX> and we can use these physics to ruin the game
L564[18:56:43] <Dman979> *improve
L565[18:59:41] <TwistenX> average normal ksp players vs average ksp kraken drive/exploit user
L566[19:00:01] <TwistenX> https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi1.sndcdn.com%2Fartworks-BoVAwIzYSaFTvVVc-fS5P2w-t500x500.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Fa-lefty%2Faverage-fan-vs-average-enjoyer&tbnid=X8WEHZnidUQ2fM&vet=12ahUKEwjXzOyrpZjzAhVrCjQIHWGvArgQMygJegUIARCNAQ..i&docid=gIUhUUpgy7UhAM&w=500&h=500&q=average%20fan&safe=active&ved=2ahUKEwjXzOyr
L567[19:00:01] <TwistenX> pZjzAhVrCjQIHWGvArgQMygJegUIARCNAQ
L568[19:00:14] <Althego> was the docking port drive fixed?
L569[19:00:50] <TwistenX> idk
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L573[19:01:55] <TwistenX> i've honestly never made a kraken drive before
L574[19:04:22] <TwistenX> hey do you guys like pudding
L575[19:04:54] <Althego> not another one of deez jokes
L576[19:05:29] <TwistenX> :troll:
L577[19:07:13] * darsie escapes Kerbol
L578[19:08:16] * TwistenX falls into Kerbol
L579[19:08:30] <darsie> Try it. It's easier said than done.
L580[19:09:25] <TwistenX> How fast is Kerbin's orbital velocity?
L581[19:09:31] <TwistenX> Around Kerbol
L582[19:10:06] <raptop> 9285 m/s https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Kerbin
L583[19:10:29] <TwistenX> cool
L584[19:10:49] <TwistenX> so you only need ~8500 m/s to fall into Kerbol
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L586[19:12:04] <raptop> !tell twistenx It's way easier if you exploit the Oberth effect and bi-elliptic transfers...
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L588[19:12:13] <raptop> dees: It's way easier if you exploit the Oberth effect and bi-elliptic transfers...
L589[19:12:30] <dees> yeah
L590[19:12:50] <dees> it's me, bees evil brother
L591[19:13:16] <raptop> [X] doubt
L592[19:13:54] <Althego> bee gees, not bee dees :)
L593[19:14:02] * X doubts
L594[19:14:29] <dees> dees nuts
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L596[19:14:40] * raptop ponders
L597[19:14:44] <X> Lol
L598[19:14:58] <X> I haven’t seen a troll in a long time.
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L600[19:15:24] <raptop> try something actually funny?
L601[19:16:16] <TwistenX> never
L602[19:16:59] *** raptop sets mode: +q twistenx!*@*
L603[19:17:21] <Althego> doesnt help
L604[19:17:44] <Althego> that does
L605[19:17:45] <darsie> Why did I trust <Majin> apparently you can launch yourself out of the solar system with only a velocity of ~5000 m/s at an altitude above Kerbin of 100-200km
L606[19:18:17] <raptop> It's accurate if you're going in the right direction (if the statement isn't 100% clear)
L607[19:18:20] <darsie> I get a Kerbol escape trajectory at 2727.3 m/s from 71 km orbit.
L608[19:18:45] <darsie> Is it really that much worse at 200 km?
L609[19:19:00] <raptop> I don't think he means Δv
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L612[19:19:21] <raptop> hm
L613[19:19:24] <darsie> Did he mean total delta-v?
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L615[19:19:45] <raptop> No, as in that's how fast you're going at that altitude
L616[19:20:00] <raptop> ah, webchat's like *that*
L617[19:20:02] <darsie> ah
L618[19:20:12] <TwistenX> :(
L619[19:20:17] <darsie> velocity, not delta v.
L620[19:20:50] <TwistenX> what's the purpose of ion engines
L621[19:21:00] <TwistenX> they're so ineffecient
L622[19:21:07] * raptop headdesk
L623[19:21:08] <darsie> Only 4200 Isp.
L624[19:21:33] <TwistenX> and a low TWR even with small craft
L625[19:21:40] <Dman979> Low thrust? Yes. Inefficient? Absolutely not.
L626[19:21:59] <Althego> they are ridiculously overpowered if you compare them to real ones
L627[19:22:09] <Althego> nevertheless i avoid using them
L628[19:22:11] <darsie> 2000 N vs. 250 mN irl.
L629[19:22:15] <TwistenX> you also can only recharge EC but not Xenon Gas
L630[19:22:25] <raptop> Like 3 or 4 orders of magnitude higher TWR, so with clever design you can hover in Mun or lower gravity
L631[19:23:02] <TwistenX> star wars logic
L632[19:23:32] <darsie> Dawn orbited two asteroids, a firts due to ion engines.
L633[19:23:37] <raptop> Star Wars logic is that old movies about WW2 and samurai are cool
L634[19:23:47] <raptop> (And they are!)
L635[19:24:23] <Althego> at least until ww3
L636[19:24:34] <darsie> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawn_(spacecraft) Dawn is a retired space probe that was launched by NASA in September 2007 with the mission of studying two of the three known protoplanets of the asteroid belt: Vesta and Ceres.[1]
L637[19:24:47] <raptop> ^
L638[19:24:55] <raptop> Shame that they weren't able to pull off the Pallas flyby
L639[19:26:17] <darsie> With the propellant it carried, Dawn was able to perform a velocity change of approximately 11 km/s over the course of its mission, far more than any previous spacecraft achieved with onboard propellant after separation from its launch rocket.[58]
L640[19:27:55] <TwistenX> milk
L641[19:28:18] <darsie> Dawn finally launched from pad 17-B at the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station on a Delta 7925-H rocket[76] at 07:34 EDT,[77][78][79] reaching escape velocity with the help of a spin-stabilized solid-fueled third stage.[80][81] Thereafter, Dawn's ion thrusters took over.
L642[19:29:37] <TwistenX> ok
L643[19:29:56] <raptop> Ah, the best Delta II
L644[19:32:00] <TwistenX> there was a Titan rocket that had a bunch of SRBs
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L654[20:57:52] <XXCoder> ;mission
L655[20:57:52] <LunchBot> XXCoder: You outsource the assembly of your rockets to Australia. You find the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow!
L656[20:58:03] <XXCoder> thanks australia!
L657[21:00:42] <TwistenX> plot twist; it's all stolen gold
L658[21:02:44] <Dman979> ;mission
L659[21:02:44] <LunchBot> Dman979: You try adding a mission with the ;mission command. You are swarmed by drones, but thankfully they are from Amazon and come bearing gifts.
L660[21:02:51] <Dman979> ;mission
L661[21:02:51] <LunchBot> Dman979: You attempt to drive your solar sail vessel with a flashlight. Unfortunately your Linux install lacks the Arial.ttf fonts so you have no idea what your outcome in KSP is.
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L663[21:03:07] <Dman979> ;mission
L664[21:03:07] <LunchBot> Dman979: You build a ship for the stated purpose of outrunning its own mass. A boat is in the way, and everyone complains until its interference is dealt with.
L665[21:03:14] <Dman979> ;mission
L666[21:03:14] <LunchBot> Dman979: You attempt to aerobrake Jool in Eve's atmosphere. Your flightplan ends up being messed with by UmbralRaptor.
L667[21:03:21] <Dman979> cool command
L668[21:03:47] <UmbralRaptor> Dman979: you'll need more engines for the jool moving
L669[21:07:09] * darsie sent a 3404 VF ship on Kerbol escape: https://i.postimg.cc/GLDcgD3n/screenshot356.png https://i.postimg.cc/knzJysmy/screenshot355.png
L670[21:08:08] <FLHerne> ;mission add Dman979 keeps requesting new missions.
L671[21:08:08] <LunchBot> FLHerne: Added mission: Dman979 keeps requesting new missions.
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L675[21:17:50] <TwistenX> name a yellow fruit
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L680[21:21:45] * darsie sent a 3404 VF ship on Kerbol escape: https://i.postimg.cc/GLDcgD3n/screenshot356.png https://i.postimg.cc/knzJysmy/screenshot355.png
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L682[21:23:59] <packbart> well, there's a friendship drive mod for KSP now
L683[21:25:13] <packbart> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/204937-110x-112x-wip-kerbal-dangerous-ed-style-frame-shift-drive/
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L692[22:12:19] <TwistenX> ÿ
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