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L67[14:33:20] <TwistenX> Did you guys see the unlisted tutorial shaders video on the KSP YT?
L68[14:36:13] <umaxtu> I didn't
L69[14:36:17] <TwistenX> I really like the new UI, but I hope it comes with a Legacy option as well.
L70[14:37:57] <TwistenX> It's just a seven second video
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L82[15:35:25] <ron> you look weird
L83[15:36:10] <deadmind> why thank you
L84[15:36:16] <deadmind> i did it to myself *_*
L85[15:36:19] <ron> you lookin like a uhhh umm you look like an uhhh you kinda look like an uhh ummm you kinda like an unnn uu ummmmm wait you kinda uhhhhh humnnnn nnmmmm wait let me think uhhhh hmmmmm ummm ummehhhh ermmmmm uhh
L86[15:37:21] <ron> you look weird
L87[15:37:27] <ron> me cool guy
L88[15:37:37] * flayer throws sticks at ron
L89[15:37:47] <ron> ow
L90[15:37:58] * deadmind buys ron's freestyle CD after that firestorm of a diss
L91[15:38:05] * ron is hurt (in a cool way)
L92[15:38:27] <ron> my name is ron and you lookin kinda uhhhh
L93[15:39:01] <ron> you look like a ummm uhhhhh looking uhhhhhhhmmmmm
L94[15:39:56] <ron> you kinda lookin like an ummmhhhhh errrrrmmmmmmmm a lookin a uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
L95[15:40:04] <ron>
L96[15:40:09] <ron> weird
L97[15:40:46] * ron
L98[15:41:00] <ron> i like mcdonal
L99[15:41:09] <ron> and 6 piece chick nugt
L100[15:41:16] * deadmind applauds
L101[15:41:26] <ron> i hate women
L102[15:41:43] * deadmind un-plauds
L103[15:41:51] <ron> ron
L104[15:42:00] <ron> uhhh
L105[15:42:08] <ron> you lookin kinda funky
L106[15:42:10] <deadmind> yeah wtf ron you soured the vibe
L107[15:42:19] <ron> SHUT UP
L108[15:42:20] <deadmind> how can you categorically not like 52% of humanity
L109[15:42:24] <ron> im cool guy
L110[15:42:35] <deadmind> oh ok
L111[15:42:45] <ron> women bad
L112[15:42:55] <ron> B)
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L114[15:43:36] <deadmind> am i supposed to vote for you now or what
L115[15:43:38] <deadmind> :D
L116[15:44:00] <ron> ron for president
L117[15:44:33] <deadmind> i'd rather ron for the hills
L118[15:44:45] <flayer> lmao
L119[15:44:53] <ron> not funny]
L120[15:44:57] <ron> didnt laugh
L121[15:45:04] <deadmind> well give me back the vote then
L122[15:45:10] <ron> no
L123[15:45:14] <ron> B)
L124[15:45:15] <flayer> i'm laughing at the whole thing
L125[15:45:36] <ron> little man
L126[15:46:07] <deadmind> oh that's what you call it
L127[15:46:16] <deadmind> kinda hard not to laugh at the whole thing
L128[15:46:37] <ron> ur sus lmao
L129[15:47:25] <deadmind> :D
L130[15:47:28] <Althego> is this some mahjong thing?
L131[15:47:48] <deadmind> i am not sure what we are doing tbh
L132[15:47:51] <Althego> calling mahjong from a discard. whatever that means
L133[15:49:24] <ron> i really dislike wemen
L134[15:49:39] <deadmind> that changes around 11 or 12
L135[15:49:52] <Althego> and changes again after marrieage :)
L136[15:50:12] <deadmind> you're probably not wrong :D
L137[15:50:47] <ron> im 17
L138[15:51:13] <deadmind> 5 years of catching up isn't that much
L139[15:51:16] <deadmind> you'll get there
L140[15:51:27] <deadmind> i didn't have my first gf until about that age
L141[15:51:29] <ron> im gay
L142[15:51:32] <ron> i hate woemn
L143[15:52:06] <deadmind> well, I mean
L144[15:52:11] <deadmind> that's better, for you, i guess?
L145[15:52:21] <ron> bob
L146[15:52:28] <deadmind> you know lots of chicks like mcdonald and chik nugt
L147[15:52:36] <ron> women bad
L148[15:52:45] <ron> women arent funny
L149[15:52:52] <deadmind> some of them might even vote for you y'know
L150[15:53:36] <ron> i dont care if womne vote me
L151[15:53:43] <ron> i dont like wmoen
L152[15:54:38] <ron> bababooey
L153[15:56:49] <ron> vote for ron as presdent i will give free mcdonal chikn nuget and rondal mcdondal slide and i will elimnate all wemen
L154[15:59:11] <ron> ok guys my friend bob is getting on now
L155[15:59:16] <ron> ccol guy leave now
L156[15:59:22] *** ron is now known as bob
L157[15:59:29] <bob> hello
L158[15:59:31] <Mod9000> Hello, bob
L159[16:00:51] <bob> i am bob
L160[16:01:11] <bob> also i am not dream
L161[16:01:16] <bob> do not call me dream
L162[16:03:33] * raptop blinks
L163[16:04:18] * bob blinks back
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L165[16:04:50] <Mat2ch> woah, B4 is at the launch site and S20 has almost all defect tiles replaced
L166[16:04:56] <Mat2ch> static fires incoming! :D
L167[16:05:13] <raptop> reusability via rapid tile replacement?
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L169[16:06:00] <bob> ok im back
L170[16:06:00] <Mat2ch> well, I have the feeling the tiles weren't placed correctly at all...
L171[16:06:13] <bob> sorry ron was acting like a moron
L172[16:06:56] <bob> he's an idiot
L173[16:07:13] <raptop> bob: so, how do you feel about the LV-T30 "Reliant" liquid fuel engine?
L174[16:08:21] <bob> it's useful as a vacuum engine, like a swivel/reliant equivalent of a raptor for a starship
L175[16:10:37] <raptop> uh
L176[16:11:25] <bob> ive seen ron watching someone do that
L177[16:11:47] <bob> again, sorry for how he was acting
L178[16:12:02] <bob> he's kinda a [NOT FRIENDLY] idot
L179[16:13:30] <Althego> couldnt you just coat the ship with a heat shield?
L180[16:14:02] <bob> would that be more expensive than heat tiles?
L181[16:14:30] <Althego> it looks like the individual placement is quite labor intensive
L182[16:15:03] <bob> sometimes labor is needed
L183[16:15:22] <bob> working harder is sometimes better, as long as you're working smarter
L184[16:16:03] <bob> ron is getting back on
L185[16:16:08] *** bob is now known as ron
L186[16:16:14] <ron> ok guys im back
L187[16:16:20] <flayer> wb ron
L188[16:16:35] <ron> what is wb
L189[16:16:40] <flayer> welcome back
L190[16:16:50] <ron> oh
L191[16:16:55] <ron> tank you
L192[16:20:37] <ron> women are:
L193[16:21:02] <Althego> it doesnt matter
L194[16:21:06] <Althego> dont care
L195[16:21:13] <raptop> new topic
L196[16:25:23] <Mat2ch> Althego: you can't coat that kind of ceramic
L197[16:25:35] <Althego> then coat a different kind
L198[16:26:10] * raptop pokes materials science with a stick
L199[16:26:16] <ron> women are bad
L200[16:28:02] *** ron was kicked by raptop (ron))
L201[16:31:09] <raptop> ...though that's a field where they make up all sorts of particles that then turn out to be relevant
L202[16:31:22] <raptop> (not to be confused with HEP, where the made particles keep on not showing up)
L203[16:31:40] <Althego> what kind of particles?
L204[16:32:01] <raptop> Phonons and Skyrmions come to mind on the materials science side
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L206[16:32:17] <Althego> i know about phonons
L207[16:32:24] *** Webchat072 is now known as ronbutcooler
L208[16:32:28] <ronbutcooler> why
L209[16:32:32] <raptop> uh, a bunch of other ones also (eg: plasmons, but I forget what they do)
L210[16:32:54] <Althego> skyrmion
L211[16:33:01] <Althego> apparently it does exist
L212[16:33:06] <Althego> is this because of skyrim?
L213[16:33:29] <raptop> at least in US-english they're pronounced rather differently so probably not
L214[16:33:31] <ronbutcooler> why am i not allowed to not like women
L215[16:33:48] <Althego> you think what you like
L216[16:34:08] <Althego> but this is not a place for that discussion
L217[16:34:49] <ronbutcooler> ok
L218[16:34:54] <ronbutcooler> can i like mcdonal
L219[16:37:48] <ronbutcooler> i like chikn nuget
L220[16:37:54] <ronbutcooler> 6 piece
L221[16:38:07] <ronbutcooler> and rondal mcdonal slide
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L223[16:44:06] * ronbutcooler for president
L224[16:44:14] *** ronbutcooler is now known as ron
L225[16:44:19] * ron ron
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L232[17:01:35] <packbart> !mission
L233[17:01:35] <LunchBot> packbart: You send Jeb to astronaut school to learn more about safety procedures. The SAS hits 88 mph, and the rocket reverts to the VAB.
L234[17:01:54] <packbart> sounds safe enough
L235[17:02:09] <raptop> The CSB has determined that this is silly
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L239[17:06:32] <ron> cool guy is here
L240[17:07:23] <Althego> dont look at explosions
L241[17:07:57] <packbart> I'll look into it
L242[17:08:48] <flayer> noooo
L243[17:08:51] <ron> im going to look at the explosions
L244[17:09:03] <Althego> you cant be cool then
L245[17:09:18] <ron> o
L246[17:09:24] <ron> im not gonna do it then
L247[17:09:45] <ron> so im cool
L248[17:11:28] <ron> ron is leave
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L250[17:12:00] <deadmind> is that kid really 17?
L251[17:12:08] <deadmind> pretty far gone if he is
L252[17:12:37] <flayer> some plastic
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L259[17:34:10] <ron> cool guy is back
L260[17:39:14] <ron> B)
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L262[17:42:23] <ron> those people left cuz they scared of me cuz im too cool
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L264[17:45:41] <packbart> there are no cool people on IRC or Usenet. that's a fact
L265[17:45:50] <ron> yes i am
L266[17:45:56] <ron> you just jelous
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L268[17:46:44] <ron> i am cool guy
L269[17:46:45] <packbart> jellous. mmh. I could do with a tasty snack
L270[17:47:14] <ron> amogus
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L272[17:47:52] <ron> raidernick
L273[17:47:53] <ron> stop
L274[17:47:55] <ron> leaving
L275[17:47:59] <ron> and rejoining
L276[17:48:19] <ron> you arent cool if you do that
L277[17:55:24] <raptop> Huh, surviving mars is currently free on Steam
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L279[17:56:36] <FLHerne> Wow, and I thought TwistenX was annoying
L280[17:58:36] <packbart> raptop: ooh, thanks. I didn't notice
L281[17:59:05] <packbart> I had it on the Steam wishlist for a while
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L288[19:10:49] <Althego> hmm, open world persistent survival game arrakis
L289[19:10:55] <ron> hello it is me ron and i am back
L290[19:10:56] <Althego> that sounds interesting
L291[19:11:03] <Althego> new dune movie, new dune game
L292[19:11:13] <Althego> one eyed ron
L293[19:11:31] <Althego> (really obscure reference)
L294[19:12:09] <ron> no i have 2 eyes
L295[19:12:28] <ron> dum
L296[19:13:46] <ron> my full name is ron
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L299[19:14:23] <ron> my first nickname was cool guy
L300[19:14:29] <ron> my second nickname was the
L301[19:15:31] <ron> mcdonal
L302[19:15:35] <ron> ok i leave now
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L304[19:16:12] <raptop> Althego: constantly managing water?
L305[19:16:23] <Althego> he didnt tell anything more about ut
L306[19:16:25] <raptop> (...and do you need to be worried about worms and spice addiction?)
L307[19:16:47] <Althego> i doubt spice addiction is a problem on dune. you cant get rid of it
L308[19:16:54] <Althego> it is everywhere
L309[19:18:30] <raptop> yay
L310[19:19:06] <Althego> (see broken silicon on moore's law is dead)
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L312[19:20:26] <TwistenX> h
L313[19:20:29] * raptop stares at the IPs
L314[19:20:34] <TwistenX> yes
L315[19:20:40] <TwistenX> i am ron
L316[19:20:46] <TwistenX> i am cool guy
L317[19:21:07] <Althego> should have known
L318[19:21:21] <TwistenX> i am make rocket
L319[19:21:25] <TwistenX> in real
L320[19:21:31] <Althego> i am die, thank you forever
L321[19:21:44] <TwistenX> change the world, my final message
L322[19:21:46] <TwistenX> goodbye
L323[19:21:57] * TwistenX dies (in a cool way)
L324[19:22:09] <Althego> water in the firey, why
L325[19:22:20] <raptop> oh, hi korone
L326[19:22:27] <TwistenX> i think it's cause ron hates women
L327[19:22:38] <TwistenX> and likes 6 piece chicken nugget from mcdonalds
L328[19:23:23] <TwistenX> im make rocket moment
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L331[19:29:26] <TwistenX> ok it forced me to disconnect
L332[19:31:01] <TwistenX> would it to be better to use ethanol or liquid oxygen as a fuel when liquid hydrogen is your oxidizer
L333[19:31:17] <TwistenX> for an effecient fuel and oxidizer mix
L334[19:31:48] <Althego> since whn is oxygen a fuel?
L335[19:32:00] <Althego> and hydrogen an oxidizer?
L336[19:32:11] <TwistenX> or is it the other way
L337[19:32:24] <TwistenX> hydrogen, fuel? oxygen, oxidizer?
L338[19:32:30] <raptop> I'm pretty sure you can come up with a sufficiently silly fuel to make hydrogen an oxidizer, but the only way you're going to oxidize oxygen involves halogen shenanigans
L339[19:32:55] <TwistenX> ok then
L340[19:33:23] <TwistenX> should i use ethanol or liquid hydrogen as a fuel with my oxidizer being liquid oxygen
L341[19:34:32] <Althego> chlorine trifluoride burns everything
L342[19:34:35] <raptop> For a paper rocket, the answer is obviously hydrogen for Isp or kerosene for TWR
L343[19:34:44] <Althego> there fore you want to be as far from it as possible
L344[19:34:55] <raptop> (...and still higher Isp than ethanol because those oxygens in the fuel are IIRC a net loss)
L345[19:35:53] <TwistenX> im currently starting a "space program"
L346[19:36:25] <TwistenX> and i'm trying to start with building a solid-fuel rocket as a plastic bottle with some thermal protection
L347[19:37:13] <TwistenX> and with building a small, yet effecient, liquid fuel (preferably combustion) engine.
L348[19:38:25] <Althego> bilding a vompletely liquid fuel rocket is hard
L349[19:38:43] <TwistenX> me and my cousin are going to build a, multi-stage, approximately 15 foot tall rocket but we're building smaller rockets for now
L350[19:39:04] <TwistenX> i know the simple physics and basic construction
L351[19:41:36] <TwistenX> the most basic parts of it are a fuel tank, oxidizer tank, pumps for each tank, the combustion chamber, the preburner, and the engine bell/nozzle
L352[19:42:21] <Althego> you can have a pressure fed engine. no pumps
L353[19:43:10] <TwistenX> how good compared to a combustion cycle engine is it?
L354[19:43:27] <Althego> not too good. but simple
L355[19:44:40] <TwistenX> as long as it's efficient enough, it'll work
L356[19:45:17] <TwistenX> i see
L357[19:45:46] <TwistenX> so the pressurizer tank pushes out the fuel and oxidizer into the control valves, then into the combustion chamber
L358[19:46:50] <TwistenX> i also had an idea for a new type of liquid fuel engine
L359[19:46:59] <TwistenX> but i don't think it would've worked
L360[19:50:45] <TwistenX> the idea was a Propane-Ignited Combustion Cycle Liquid-Propellant Rocket Engine. Or the "PICCLIPRE."
L361[19:51:14] <Althego> not pickle rick?
L362[19:51:21] <TwistenX> no
L363[19:51:35] <TwistenX> there isnt even
L364[19:51:38] <TwistenX> nvm
L365[19:52:48] <TwistenX> it initially was supposed to work as a crewed-flight engine
L366[19:53:40] <TwistenX> the way you would control the throttle was a gear connected to the Propane/Ignition Tank that you would twist to increase/decrease the throttle
L367[19:54:18] <TwistenX> if it were to be used as an un-crewed engine, there would be an arm that would twist the gear
L368[19:54:28] <TwistenX> that was controlled from earth
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L370[19:55:47] <TwistenX> but i don't think that propane can ignite liquid fuel & hydrogen, but there might be another liquid/gas that can
L371[19:57:52] <TwistenX> i'm gonna need to draw diagrams for some engines and possibly a diagram for the PICCLIPRE
L372[19:59:39] <TwistenX> Also, what does isp stand for and what does it mean? Also what does it do
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L374[20:00:32] <Althego> that is actually I and sp in subscript
L375[20:00:37] <Althego> specific impulse
L376[20:01:09] <Althego> basically the physical meaning is exhaust velocity divided by earth's average gravitational acceleration
L377[20:01:28] <Althego> that is why the delta v formula has a g in it, to egt rid of it
L378[20:01:42] <Althego> so Isp is in seconds
L379[20:01:49] <Althego> which is incomprehensible and meaningless
L380[20:02:01] <Althego> while exhaust velocity has an understandable physical meaning
L381[20:02:13] <Althego> the fatser stuff goes out, the higher the efficiency of the engine
L382[20:02:17] <TwistenX> so it's essentially how you measure how long the engine can burn, and how powerful the engine can burn
L383[20:02:46] <Althego> i understand it better without how long
L384[20:02:55] <Althego> no, to me it is how strongly it burns
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L386[20:03:07] <Althego> but it happened because of historical reasons, since on the apollo program germans and americans worked together
L387[20:03:21] <Althego> and one would use si the other imperial units
L388[20:03:27] <Althego> but seconds are the same for both
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L390[20:03:40] <Althego> and one would use si the other imperial units
L391[20:03:45] <Althego> but seconds are the same for both
L392[20:04:00] <Althego> so by converting it to seconds the could talk about easily
L393[20:04:17] <Althego> and i need to sleep
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L395[20:05:34] <TwistenX> So, isp is how strong the engine burns for a certain amount of time, and TWR is just if the engine is powerful enough to lift its cargo
L396[20:06:44] <raptop> Sorta. There's the old definition of how long an engine can produce a certain amount of thrust with a certain amount of propellant, but the exhaust velocity definition seems easier
L397[20:07:01] <raptop> And yeah, TWR being thrust to weight ratio. ie: thrust/weight
L398[20:07:29] <TwistenX> there's a pretty simple way to find out the TWR of an engine and it's cargo
L399[20:07:30] <raptop> standard thing on Isp: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsiolkovsky_rocket_equation
L400[20:08:41] <TwistenX> you need to put your engine, nozzle down, on a scale, and turn on the scale after you put the engine on the scale so it reads the engine as no weight
L401[20:10:15] <TwistenX> burn the engine for a few seconds and record the lowest, middle, and highest thrust reached
L402[20:10:24] <TwistenX> then weigh your cargo
L403[20:11:09] <TwistenX> if the highest thrust is higher than the weight of your rocket, your TWR is high enough for the rocket to launch
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L407[20:21:53] <twistenx> obamna
L408[20:24:14] <twistenx> you know what
L409[20:24:17] <twistenx> screw you
L410[20:24:25] <twistenx> *takes your mechazilla*
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L414[20:37:28] <TwistenX> ok my first liquid fuel rocket is gonna be a pressure fed engine
L415[20:37:38] <TwistenX> and then i'll make a combustion cycle
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L418[20:41:37] <TwistenX> ron
L419[20:42:07] <TwistenX> ron is coolest guy
L420[20:43:06] <TwistenX> https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FStaged_combustion_cycle&psig=AOvVaw0A-YiJc11ujabuPHhVcZNL&ust=1631133769631000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAsQjRxqFwoTCMiGgvzc7fICFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD
L421[20:43:16] <TwistenX> https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FStaged_combustion_cycle&psig=AOvVaw0A-YiJc11ujabuPHhVcZNL&ust=1631133769631000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAsQjRxqFwoTCMiGgvzc7fICFQAAAAAdAAAAABAJ
L422[20:43:40] <TwistenX> which one should i build
L423[20:49:45] <raptop> they're both redirecting to staged combustion cycle on wikipedia?
L424[20:50:54] <raptop> anyway, pressure fed
L425[20:55:05] <TwistenX> why
L426[20:56:10] <raptop> So, how are you with machine tools?
L427[20:56:21] <TwistenX> im learning
L428[20:58:34] <raptop> (turbopumps add a great deal of complexity/difficulty)
L429[21:04:04] <TwistenX> a what
L430[21:09:10] <TwistenX> what engine does a turbopump go into
L431[21:10:12] <raptop> the staged combustion that you linked?
L432[21:10:40] <raptop> ditto some other cycles (eg: expander)
L433[21:11:33] <TwistenX> i tried to link an image
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L436[21:13:46] <TwistenX> <img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Staged_combustion_rocket_cycle.svg/1200px-Staged_combustion_rocket_cycle.svg.png&quot; alt="Staged combustion cycle - Wikipedia"/>
L437[21:14:24] * raptop gestures at the fuel and oxidzer pumps
L438[21:14:34] <raptop> uh, you don't need the HTML tags, just the image URL itself
L439[21:14:52] <TwistenX> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Full_flow_staged_rocket_cycle.svg/280px-Full_flow_staged_rocket_cycle.svg.png
L440[21:15:04] <TwistenX> these were the two
L441[21:15:10] <TwistenX> i was trying to show
L442[21:23:27] <TwistenX> they both look difficult
L443[21:23:53] <TwistenX> and i also don't know how to control them, if i can build them, with the funds i have
L444[21:26:33] <TwistenX> also why do the fuel lines decide they're just gonna take a vacation around the engine bell and then return to the combustion chamber
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L447[21:31:04] <TwistenX> wouldn't be possible to build an engine that constantly takes in a lot of air pressure and shoots it out repetitively
L448[21:31:17] <TwistenX> essentially a simple-ish jet engine
L449[21:32:08] <TwistenX> DANG IT
L450[21:32:09] <raptop> why the fuel lines go around the engine bell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_cooling
L451[21:32:22] <raptop> er, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_cooling_(rocketry) rather
L452[21:32:25] <TwistenX> MY PROPANE IGNITED ENGINE WAS SO CLOSE TO WORKING
L453[21:32:45] <raptop> go small scale enough to not worry about fancy cooling techniques
L454[21:32:53] <TwistenX> ok
L455[21:33:20] <TwistenX> So it turns out that propane CAN ignite liquid oxygen, but it CANNOT ignite liquid hydrogen or methane
L456[21:33:29] <TwistenX> OH
L457[21:33:30] <TwistenX> MAYBE
L458[21:33:50] <TwistenX> The fuel is liquid oxygen, and the oxidizer AND the igniter is propane
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L460[21:34:48] <raptop> ...
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L462[21:35:25] <TwistenX> i can still make it work
L463[21:35:28] <raptop> TwistenX: please take a chemistry class
L464[21:35:35] <TwistenX> why
L465[21:36:19] <TwistenX> i just did a google search
L466[21:37:50] <TwistenX> im assuming google is wrong then
L467[21:38:30] <TwistenX> ill work on it later
L468[21:38:35] <TwistenX> bye for now
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L470[21:38:47] <raptop> well, besides getting fuel and oxidizer backwards?
L471[21:38:57] <raptop> feh
L472[21:39:53] <raptop> (also for the lurkers, the whole being surprised that propane wouldn't interact with hydrogen or methane)
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L476[22:58:36] <TwistenX> cool irc supports mobile
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L478[22:59:24] <TwistenX> ok so from what raptop and althego have said, i should use a pressure fed engine
L479[22:59:48] <TwistenX> but why should i
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L482[23:05:27] <TwistenX> raptop why should i use a pressure fed
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L484[23:08:31] <raptop> ...
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L487[23:12:04] <FLHerne> raptop: worst case he blows himself up, and that's kind of a bonus really
L488[23:12:52] <raptop> I'd still rather he didn't
L489[23:13:37] <FLHerne> You think there's any chance whatsoever that he actually builds the thing?
L490[23:13:59] <raptop> I mean, he might set some stuff on fire
L491[23:14:12] <raptop> (hopefully he just gets bogged down in machining or sketches)
L492[23:20:12] <XXCoder> geez
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