OCLogs: 2021-09-03.log

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L9[02:36:24] <raptop> ;outcome add You experience several dozen anomalies during launch.

L10[02:36:24] <LunchBot> raptop: Added outcome: You experience several dozen anomalies during launch.

L11[02:36:34] <raptop> ;mission

L12[02:36:34] <LunchBot> raptop: You attempt to hijack a fully-fueled and ready-to-launch rocket sitting on the pad. Danny2462 thinks you're crazy.

L13[02:36:43] <raptop> >P>

L14[02:36:46] <raptop> <_<

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L18[03:24:30] <bees> raptop: Instead of adding canards to your aircraft, someone has instead drawn a crude map of Canada. A flock of geese asking for directions delay the launch. This is grossly ethical.

L19[03:25:05] <Althego> hehe

L20[03:25:19] <XXCoder> lol

L21[03:25:22] <XXCoder> ;mission

L22[03:25:22] <LunchBot> XXCoder: You make a vehicle out of physicsless parts. The Kraken pays a surprise visit.

L23[03:25:32] <XXCoder> surprise? nah

L24[03:28:24] <bees> XXCoder: You attempt to re-create the Orion mission and synchronise it with the real-world livestream. While you weren't looking, Kerbin's atmosphere gets left behind by the planet's motion.

L25[03:29:21] <Althego> eh... firefly launch failed

L26[03:29:29] <Althego> very high up

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L49[08:09:13] <Althego> oh no, i was watchin ina minacraft from yesterday and i missed hakos live

L50[08:31:54] <Mat2ch> !mission

L51[08:31:54] <LunchBot> Mat2ch: You decide to do nothing today. Circus clowns replace your monopropellant with a mixture of unicycles and fake noses.

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L53[08:35:52] <Althego> lol

L54[08:36:20] <Althego> because you did nothing. you could have fortrified your position against circus clowns

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L62[10:32:06] <Mat2ch> Althego: btw, did you see the Firefly launch? They did go sideways...

L63[10:32:12] <Mat2ch> in Kerbal style!

L64[10:32:15] <Althego> hehe

L65[10:32:19] <Althego> in replay only

L66[10:32:26] <Althego> i missed both of the explosive launches

L67[10:32:29] <Althego> because they were too late

L68[10:32:40] <Althego> or to early not sure

L69[10:33:07] <Althego> and i tried to watch the astra the first time and thre was a scrub, and for the next one i was too tired to stay up

L70[10:33:25] <Althego> the firefly was even more interesting

L71[10:33:36] <Althego> but didnt want to wake up around 3

L72[10:35:21] <Mat2ch> I only watch the replays of them, too, if they're too late

L73[10:35:48] <Althego> partly fault of irys

L74[10:35:55] <Althego> because she starts stream usually around 5

L75[10:36:01] <Althego> and that is why i am so tired

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L81[11:37:00] <darsie> 1337

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L84[12:37:22] <sandbox> 1337

L85[12:39:51] <Althego> we could have a perpetual rolling leet hourly if there were enough people (1 in each time zone)

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L87[14:07:16] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21X5lGlDOfg

L88[14:07:19] <Althego> russian spacewalk

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L92[14:35:52] <TwistenX> What do you think A.I.R.B.R.A.K.E.S. stand for?

L93[14:36:09] <Althego> airbrakes

L94[14:37:33] <TwistenX> bruh

L95[14:37:41] <TwistenX> i mean in ksp

L96[14:40:02] <Althego> Aerodynamically Integrated Retrograde Braking Robustly Armed Kinetic Extending System

L97[14:40:10] <Althego> otherwise known as airbrakes

L98[14:40:20] <TwistenX> cool cool

L99[14:41:00] <TwistenX> it's also cool how Starship SN-20 is gonna be the largest rocket ever launched in 50 years

L100[14:41:39] <Althego> and if it goes like this, sls will never launch

L101[14:41:51] <Althego> i think thye needed to launch this year, ebcause there was ome part warranty that expires

L102[14:42:43] <TwistenX> then NASA needs to step up their game

L103[14:42:53] <Althego> more like boeing. they will not

L104[14:43:57] <TwistenX> it's funny how Blue Origin's first orbital flight will be from launching inside the cargo bay of a Starship

L105[14:44:14] <Althego> how so?

L106[14:44:36] <TwistenX> Since SpaceX and Blue Origin are competetors

L107[14:44:46] <TwistenX> It's kinda strange how they would work together

L108[14:44:55] <TwistenX> Unless they're both making bank from it

L109[14:45:08] <Althego> i mean what mission does this arrangement?

L110[14:45:17] <TwistenX> I'm not sure yet

L111[14:45:26] <TwistenX> SN-20 still has to happen

L112[14:45:34] <Althego> at this point i am pretty sure blue origin is never going to be orbital

L113[14:45:46] <Althego> or maybe in 10 more years

L114[14:45:57] <TwistenX> you're probably right

L115[14:45:58] <Althego> but with spacex that is pretty much never

L116[14:46:09] <Althego> by that time spacex takes over everything

L117[14:46:14] <TwistenX> SpaceX is beating Blue Origin by a long shot

L118[14:46:34] <TwistenX> it's also weird how China is trying to copy SpaceX and the Starship

L119[14:46:44] <Izaya> https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/on-approach-to-the-space-station

L120[14:46:52] <TwistenX> even though they worked with Musk in building the Tesla

L121[14:46:58] <Althego> blue origin orbital rockets: 0. spacex: 3.5 (falcon 1, falcon 9, flacon heavy, starship)

L122[14:47:22] <TwistenX> true

L123[14:47:23] <Althego> also first full flow stage combustion engien ever flown

L124[14:48:15] <TwistenX> i also don't see Blue Origin making a new rocket every few weeks

L125[14:48:32] <Althego> how many new shepards they have?

L126[14:48:55] <TwistenX> 15

L127[14:48:59] <TwistenX> As of June 2021

L128[14:49:03] <Althego> that is a lot

L129[14:49:11] <Althego> for one launch every few months

L130[14:49:13] <TwistenX> The first was built in November tho

L131[14:49:15] <Althego> they could get by with one

L132[14:49:17] <TwistenX> of 2105

L133[14:49:21] <TwistenX> 2015*

L134[14:51:21] <Althego> i think spacex has fewer boosters, and they launch into orbit, and can do it every two weeks

L135[14:51:57] <TwistenX> that's cause they have reusability skill

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L137[15:06:17] <Izaya> SpaceX installed StageRecovery

L138[15:06:52] <Althego> kikkerikii

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L141[15:17:02] <TwistenX> h

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L145[15:48:17] <TwistenX> communism or capitalism

L146[15:49:08] <Althego> communism doesnt work

L147[15:49:14] <Althego> capitalism is horrible

L148[15:49:28] <TwistenX> yeah both are bad

L149[15:49:31] <Althego> and this is where we stop

L150[15:49:39] <TwistenX> stop what

L151[15:49:43] <Althego> no politics

L152[15:49:49] <TwistenX> ok

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L157[16:41:08] <raptop> mrrf

L158[16:43:25] <TwistenX> ok

L159[16:48:10] <TwistenX> Elon Musk is definitely the most degenerate Millennial in the world, change my mind

L160[16:48:25] <raptop> ...

L161[16:48:51] <TwistenX> can you?

L162[16:49:22] <raptop> 1) Humans by in large do not consist of things like metals, so the whole "room temperature/pressure exhibiting electron degeneracy" isn't a thing

L163[16:49:27] <raptop> 2) He was born in 1971 (gen x)

L164[16:50:19] <TwistenX> 1) that's not what i meant

L165[16:50:29] <TwistenX> 2) Gen X isn't millennial?

L166[16:50:42] <raptop> No

L167[16:51:27] <TwistenX> o

L168[16:51:36] <TwistenX> well then let me rephrase

L169[16:52:03] <TwistenX> Elon Musk is the most "Gen Z-like" Gen X in the world. Change my mind.

L170[16:52:25] <raptop> Using the defs proposed by Strauss & Howe: (1901-1924); Silent Generation (1925-1942); Baby Boom Generation (1943-1960); Generation X (1961-1981); Milenial Generation (1982-2004)

L171[16:52:54] <raptop> I believe that the consensus has pushed around a number of those by a few years (in particular millenials ending in like 1996)

L172[16:54:44] <TwistenX> bruh

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L174[16:55:31] <TwistenX> What's Gen Z?

L175[16:55:48] <TwistenX> (2005 - 2017?)

L176[16:56:08] <TwistenX> because there's a Gen Alpha now

L177[16:56:23] <raptop> Unclear exactly where the line between z and α is

L178[16:56:30] <raptop> Give it another decade?

L179[16:56:34] <TwistenX> ok

L180[16:56:49] <TwistenX> but still, can you change my mind

L181[16:57:23] <Azander> so besides birthdate what defines these "gen"s ?

L182[16:57:42] <TwistenX> i guess nothing besides birthdate

L183[16:58:03] <TwistenX> or maybe

L184[16:58:05] <Azander> They birthdate is factual. No way to compare to a different Gen group

L185[16:58:12] <raptop> birth dates and the associated events, economic and political conditions, etc

L186[16:58:57] <Althego> elon is not even am illenial lol

L187[16:59:06] <TwistenX> Gens are basically Eras and Ages

L188[16:59:23] <Azander> By the definitiion above I'm Gen X

L189[16:59:26] <TwistenX> Like we could call the Space Age the Space Era, or the Space Generation

L190[16:59:30] <raptop> My semi-serious description would be: Boomers don't remember WW2, Xers don't remember Kennedy, Millenials don't remember Vietnam, Zoomers don't remember the Cold War. (presumably α won't remember the War On Terror(tm))

L191[16:59:35] <Althego> however i try i cant get this knife to have a usable edge

L192[16:59:42] <TwistenX> By the definition above, I'm a Gen Z

L193[16:59:59] <X> I’m also generally X.

L194[17:00:04] <raptop> Althego: ...stabbing things?

L195[17:00:05] <TwistenX> he speaks

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L197[17:00:17] <Althego> no, it is a common knife

L198[17:00:26] <TwistenX> used for stabbing things

L199[17:00:33] <Althego> doesnt even cut tomatos anymore

L200[17:00:59] <TwistenX> that must be a VERY dull knife

L201[17:01:35] <raptop> and/or soft tomatoes

L202[17:01:59] <Althego> probably older than me

L203[17:02:13] <TwistenX> it's probably dull enough to be used as a fish stunner if you go fishing

L204[17:02:30] <TwistenX> you just smack it on the head and the fish stops moving

L205[17:02:46] <TwistenX> you'd probably kill it though, instead of stunning it

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L209[17:09:16] <TwistenX> I hope KSP2 has a Raptor-Equivalent Liquid Fuel Engine

L210[17:10:01] <raptop> It would probably be straightforward enough to add, given that KSP1 has an off-brand SSME

L211[17:10:59] <TwistenX> And the KS-25 Engine is EXTREMELY over-powered, too.

L212[17:11:12] <Althego> small area high thrust

L213[17:11:19] <TwistenX> Yes

L214[17:11:28] <raptop> It's a size-2 engine stat-wise

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L216[17:11:35] <Althego> also high gimbal angle

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L218[17:11:50] <Althego> i like to use it for eve sacent behicles, it performs well

L219[17:12:39] <TwistenX> I also hope that if they add a Raptor Engine, it has a sea-level and vacuum configuration

L220[17:15:43] <raptop> probably *gestures vaguely at the LV-T30 and T45*

L221[17:18:37] <TwistenX> The Swivel and Reliant engines would be great for a small-scale Starship

L222[17:19:39] <TwistenX> the only problem is

L223[17:19:50] <TwistenX> making a superheavy booster at the same scale

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L225[17:24:28] <TwistenX> wait, does the superheavy's raptors have gimbal?

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L229[17:29:16] <TwistenX> i think they do

L230[17:33:34] <Althego> the center ones

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L232[17:33:47] <Althego> the side oens are too closely packed

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L236[17:36:38] <TwistenX> i see

L237[17:36:57] <TwistenX> maybe you could make the engines all swivels

L238[17:37:08] <TwistenX> but lock the gimbal on the outer engines

L239[17:37:39] <TwistenX> but that's still a lot of engines

L240[17:38:09] <TwistenX> i dont know if you'd be able to fit 29 or 32 swivels in a 3.75m diameter

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L243[17:41:43] <packbart> fwiw, I'm a 1st generation Digital Native :) born 1976, I don't remember a life without "personal computers" in the house

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L245[17:49:01] <TwistenX> do you guys think the devs will fix the symmetry glitch in KSP2?

L246[17:49:27] <Althego> i was born later but i do

L247[17:49:34] <Althego> we didnt even have a phone. you know wired one

L248[17:52:01] <packbart> TwistenX: maybe. KSP2 will have a completely new set of bugs ;)

L249[17:52:30] <TwistenX> did you know ksp2 will not only have destructible buildings...

L250[17:52:36] <TwistenX> BUT DESTRUCTIBLE TERRAIN

L251[17:52:52] <packbart> KSP 1 already has. ask that danny guy

L252[17:53:29] <TwistenX> not like that

L253[17:53:40] <TwistenX> not spaghetti-fying the planet

L254[17:53:51] <TwistenX> i mean you can create craters

L255[17:54:38] <packbart> that sounds interesting

L256[17:55:25] <TwistenX> yes

L257[17:56:53] <TwistenX> have any of you ever built your own capsule in ksp?

L258[17:56:57] <TwistenX> like

L259[17:57:31] <TwistenX> building it out of fairing pieces, disabling the fairing stage, and putting EVA seats inside

L260[17:57:58] <packbart> I've returned to KSP in the last week. seen everything in Elite Dangerous that is to see, I guess. been playing on a GTA RP server some nights, too, but most of the players are in the wrong timezone

L261[17:59:07] <packbart> TwistenX: two of my favourite KSP streamers often do that (jakeinaboat, backslashjack). I just don't have the knack for making it as aesthetic, I guess

L262[17:59:23] <packbart> EJ ist too loud, I don't like watching him, tbh

L263[17:59:56] <packbart> and linuxgurugamer likes working on mods more than playing KSP, he said ;)

L264[18:01:36] <TwistenX> hm

L265[18:01:40] <packbart> jake uses SSTU. that mod just has too many options for my taste but it can build almost anything from basic parts

L266[18:02:25] <packbart> and they are not afraid of clipping things

L267[18:05:21] <packbart> I like the Dragon Fly. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1136379386?t=01h55m10s

L268[18:06:40] <TwistenX> SSTU?

L269[18:07:24] <packbart> a mod with extensibly customizable parts - https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/117090-wip18x-sstulabs-low-part-count-solutions-orbiters-landers-lifters-dev-thread-11-18-18/

L270[18:07:30] <TwistenX> oh

L271[18:08:22] <TwistenX> i can't download mods for KSP anyway because i play on console :, )

L272[18:08:38] <packbart> oh, I see

L273[18:08:47] <raptop> huh, I guess no custum flags or mods for you

L274[18:08:55] <raptop> er, wait, you said no mods

L275[18:09:06] <TwistenX> i really need to get the money to download it onto my PC

L276[18:09:25] <TwistenX> i can pay for the game, but not the game and the two DLCs

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L287[19:11:29] <TwistenX> did you know that if you eat 40'000 bananas in 10 minutes you would die of radiation poisoning

L288[19:12:25] <Althego> hehe

L289[19:12:34] <Althego> probably not even then

L290[19:12:48] <TwistenX> idk

L291[19:12:56] <Althego> there was an xkcd radiation chart

L292[19:13:02] <Althego> bananas are tiny

L293[19:13:08] <TwistenX> potassium has a small amount of a certain type of radiation that dies out quickly

L294[19:13:20] <TwistenX> and bananas have loads of potassium

L295[19:13:22] <Althego> it is bad for any radiation if you get it from the inside

L296[19:13:32] <Althego> but still, bananas are barely radioactive

L297[19:13:36] <TwistenX> BARELY

L298[19:13:40] <TwistenX> but they still are

L299[19:13:43] <packbart> I'd wager that you'd die before reaching 40k bananas

L300[19:13:58] <TwistenX> yeah but what if you have an infinite stomach

L301[19:14:23] <Althego> https://xkcd.com/radiation/

L302[19:14:38] <TwistenX> restricted website moment

L303[19:14:42] <TwistenX> :,)

L304[19:15:08] <packbart> wot

L305[19:15:19] <TwistenX> im on my school computer rn

L306[19:15:28] <Althego> lol

L307[19:15:58] <TwistenX> im gonna make a LEGO Starship and send it to LEGO as an Ideas Set

L308[19:16:05] <packbart> and they ban a scienc-y site?

L309[19:16:06] <packbart> tsk

L310[19:16:12] <TwistenX> ikr

L311[19:16:30] <Althego> it says banana is 0.1 uSv, while a head ct is 2 mSv

L312[19:16:46] <TwistenX> what is a head ct

L313[19:16:46] <Althego> and even with that you are still far from getting sick from it

L314[19:17:20] <TwistenX> that's why you have to eat 40'000 of them in 10 minutes

L315[19:17:24] <packbart> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CT_scan

L316[19:17:34] <TwistenX> that'll be enough to poison you

L317[19:17:44] <TwistenX> 40'000 bananas in 10 minutes

L318[19:20:42] <darsie> TwistenX: Potassium content in bananas is overhyped. It's not in this list: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalium#Kaliumgehalte_in_Lebensmitteln

L319[19:21:09] <Althego> whic hyoutuber was that collected it from bananas?

L320[19:21:11] <Althego> cody's lab?

L321[19:21:14] <darsie> yes

L322[19:21:23] <Althego> scott

L323[19:21:31] <Althego> firefly -> fireball

L324[19:21:34] <TwistenX> even if there isn't a lot

L325[19:21:53] <darsie> And you'd die from potassium poisoning than from radiation poisoning.

L326[19:22:14] <Althego> probably

L327[19:22:27] <TwistenX> 40'000 bananas eaten in 10 minutes would still kill you of radiation poisoning if nothing else does it first

L328[19:22:30] <Althego> plays an important role in the cells

L329[19:22:37] <darsie> 20 g KCl i.v. will stop your heart.

L330[19:22:40] <Althego> no it wouldnt

L331[19:22:59] <Althego> i mean the bananas wouldnt

L332[19:23:30] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erXrnvyuhJs

L333[19:24:53] <darsie> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana#Potassium

L334[19:25:24] <TwistenX> what have i started

L335[19:25:31] <darsie> BS

L336[19:25:53] <Althego> you didnt start me

L337[19:26:01] <Althego> (look at the real name)

L338[19:26:02] <TwistenX> i started this argument

L339[19:26:03] * darsie read 'stated'.

L340[19:26:25] <TwistenX> where

L341[19:27:59] <TwistenX> 16bit Starship Simulator releasing on GameJolt when?

L342[19:27:59] <darsie> In my mind. Instead of 'started'.

L343[19:28:04] <packbart> that reminds me of http://www.tricorderproject.org/blog/tag/openct/

L344[19:28:15] <packbart> very long exposure times, though

L345[19:30:10] <TwistenX> ok

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L347[19:56:31] <darsie> 40,000 bananas contain about 15 kg potassium. 0.012 mol% are 40-K or 4.6 mol. With a half life of 1.251E9 years that's 49 MBq. In about 89.28% of events, it decays to calcium-40 (40Ca) with emission of a beta particle (β−, an electron) with a maximum energy of 1.31 MeV and an antineutrino. Idk how much energy the antineutrino carries away, so I'll go with half that energy and get 4.5 µSv/s.

L348[19:56:31] <darsie> That's 2.7 mSv in 10 min. A single full-body CT scan is 10-30 mSv. One of us is wrong.

L349[19:59:42] <Althego> but twinsenx has quit already

L350[20:00:04] <darsie> Wait, Sv is J/kg, and a human has 70 kg. So divide by 70.

L351[20:00:25] <darsie> Yes, but I'm storing the message here for when he comes back.

L352[20:05:40] <darsie> That's one issue with bogus claims. It takes too much time to refute them in a discussion instantly.

L353[20:05:44] <darsie> often

L354[20:07:20] <Althego> unless you are already prepared

L355[20:07:39] <darsie> Hmm, he didn't say you'd die in 10 minutes, but eat them in 10 minutes. How long is the potassium supposed to remain in the body?

L356[20:07:50] <packbart> and then they'll just divert to another argument

L357[20:07:52] <Althego> more than 10 minutes

L358[20:08:19] * packbart spent some time in Ufo and conspiracy groups on Usenet many years ago

L359[20:08:53] <packbart> it's fun when you can demonstrate that two of their arguments cannot be true at the same time but need to for their theory to work

L360[20:08:53] <Althego> i was debating creationists on mailing lists some 20 years ago

L361[20:09:00] <packbart> mental implosions follow

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L363[20:10:47] <darsie> How long does the potassium stay in the body if you eat 4 tons of bananas in 10 minutes and you don't die ...

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