OCLogs: 2021-07-18.log

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L16[05:22:39] <TwistenX> I have a theory on how the Mun was created

L17[05:23:39] <TwistenX> So, basically, you know how Kerbin has it's massive freaking crater

L18[05:24:26] <TwistenX> And it has a small island in the center

L19[05:27:30] <TwistenX> I bet that something collided with Kerbin and created the Mun from the debruis

L20[05:27:33] <TwistenX> debris*

L21[05:27:43] <TwistenX> Like the real Earth and Moon

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L26[05:52:08] <Rolf> yeah and minmun is mint ice cream dropped by some huge alien kid

L27[05:52:32] <Rolf> oh left

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L29[06:03:30] <raptop> ;outcome cil

L30[06:03:30] <LunchBot> raptop: You converted Minmus from mint to cilantro.

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L32[06:05:50] * TwistenX gets back home with some eggs, sausage links, and OJ for tomorrow's breakfast.

L33[06:06:45] * TwistenX also can't drive. Legally.

L34[06:07:23] <raptop> bicycle-mobile waffles

L35[06:07:34] <TwistenX> Huh?

L36[06:12:35] <raptop> silliness

L37[06:13:22] <TwistenX> Ok then

L38[06:13:44] <TwistenX> Does the giant crater on Kerbin have an actual name?

L39[06:14:01] <Rolf> yeah and minmun is mint ice cream dropped by some huge alien kid

L40[06:14:08] <Rolf> (you missed that reply)

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L42[06:15:42] <TwistenX> "IT'S 'MINMUS' , YOU [swear word] IDIOT!!! YOU KNOW WHAT? I'VE HAD ENOUGH. WHY DON'T YOU EVER JUST PAY ATTENTION?!" - martincitopants, Kerbal Scuffed Program 3, YouTube

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L44[06:18:27] * raptop wants to say that it's just crater

L45[06:18:51] <Rolf> ok that was interesting reply then leave

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L47[06:23:34] <TwistenX> why does this not have a dark mode my eyes burn it's midnight rn

L48[06:23:51] <raptop> ?

L49[06:25:00] <raptop> seems dark enough https://photos.app.goo.gl/o5vrdfzBksGpkzgg8

L50[06:27:18] <TwistenX> your name is patrick?

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L53[06:42:19] <Althego> the crater is too small for the mun to originate from there

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L55[06:51:55] <TwistenX> !mission

L56[06:51:56] <LunchBot> TwistenX: You attempt to drive your solar sail vessel with a flashlight. Your actions have mysteriously removed all serifs from existence!

L57[06:52:04] <TwistenX> ok

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L59[06:58:33] <TwistenX> mmmmmmmmm... gravity assists

L60[06:59:21] <TwistenX> i found a ksp mission planner/calculator http://bizorke.com/AdvancedKspMissionCalculator/

L61[07:00:11] <TwistenX> e

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L63[07:03:40] <Rolf> !mission

L64[07:03:40] <LunchBot> Rolf: You replace a Stayputnik Mk 2 with an Arduino. Your rocket falls apart.

L65[07:05:42] <Althego> never trust commercial electronics?

L66[07:05:59] <Rolf> seems so

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L70[09:08:30] <Stelios> Anyone that could help me regarding a graphics issue in KSP? The screen is filled with weird flashing lines

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L73[09:11:27] <Stelios> I got this weird graphics issue shortly after the upgrade to 1.12: https://imgur.com/gallery/UbqnS1x

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L77[09:42:08] <packbart> Stelios: stock or modded?

L78[09:42:12] <Stelios> stock

L79[09:42:43] <Stelios> was working fine for a week or so after the update, but suddenly this

L80[09:42:44] <packbart> yeah I just saw the tool bar. odd

L81[09:43:20] <packbart> (although I don't recognize the snowflake icon)

L82[09:43:29] <Stelios> snowflake icon?

L83[09:43:46] <Althego> bottom

L84[09:43:52] <Althego> maneuver node?

L85[09:43:57] <packbart> ah, right

L86[09:44:01] <packbart> thanks

L87[09:44:06] <packbart> see, I'm new to 1.12 :)

L88[09:44:50] <Stelios> aaa yea, it's an alarm with the new 1.12 set for a maneuver node

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L90[09:49:50] <packbart> hm. I don't see anything like it in the bug tracker or forum

L91[09:50:11] <Stelios> well in the forum you can probably see my own post from yesterday I guess

L92[09:50:23] <packbart> huh. in which subforum?

L93[09:50:25] <Althego> if it didnt start like this on 1.12, it can be a video driver

L94[09:50:33] <Stelios> I updated

L95[09:50:46] <packbart> other than "try validating files if installed through Steam", I've got no clue

L96[09:51:03] <packbart> ah, there is your post

L97[09:51:12] <Stelios> have tried that too :(

L98[09:51:19] <Stelios> also removed it from steam and reinstalled

L99[09:51:27] <TwistenX> KSP itself can just be buggy

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L101[09:51:55] <packbart> yeah, but usually not that bad

L102[09:52:11] <packbart> it's buggy in subtle ways ;)

L103[09:52:19] <Stelios> well yea I know, I always say my prayers before switching to a craft that's landed for a long time

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L105[09:52:54] <packbart> the Base Kraken is real, indeed

L106[09:53:23] <Stelios> but never encountered something like this. It's so annoying.

L107[09:53:26] <TwistenX> haha base go die

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L110[09:54:52] <TwistenX> why does IRC keep crashing

L111[09:54:54] <Stelios> I see on steam that it got updated on 15 July, that may be around the time my problems started. Is it possible to rollback to a previous buld?

L112[09:55:28] <Stelios> I mean to still be 1.12 but just a few builds earlier

L113[09:55:35] <packbart> not sure if you can roll back to 1.12.0 but you can check out previous versions via the "beta" tab

L114[09:56:47] <packbart> right click, Properties, Betas -> 1.11.2

L115[09:57:04] <Stelios> but that would mean no alarms and no fireworks!!! :O

L116[09:57:19] <Stelios> how can one continue to play without fireworks?

L117[09:57:20] <Stelios> :D

L118[09:57:35] <packbart> thee doesn't seem to be an option for 1.12.0 (it apparently had a bug that would lock you in the VAB or something)

L119[09:58:18] <flayer> wernher enslaving the engineers, eh?

L120[09:58:52] <packbart> hmmyeah, the fireworks need some new code, so can't just copy the parts

L121[09:59:03] <TwistenX> Nobody ever said Kerbal slavery is illegal

L122[09:59:14] <Stelios> yea, Werner can be cruel like that, but it's all for the good of Kerbalkind

L123[10:00:11] <TwistenX> This gives me an idea

L124[10:00:40] <TwistenX> Im gonna force Kerbals to pull a rocket from the runway to the pad

L125[10:00:56] <flayer> a twisted mind

L126[10:01:13] <TwistenX> Cause like Stelios said, it's all for the good of Kerbalkind

L127[10:01:23] <flayer> they got fuel tho

L128[10:01:27] <Stelios> gonna be hard to control each little slave though

L129[10:01:27] <flayer> why use kerbals :(

L130[10:01:52] <TwistenX> they feel no emotions

L131[10:01:57] <packbart> Stelios: maybe open a new issue on https://bugs.kerbalspaceprogram.com/projects/ksp/issues just to make sure it doesn't get lost

L132[10:02:08] <TwistenX> Only sometimes I actually care about them

L133[10:02:17] <flayer> they seem quite happy to be shot into the air

L134[10:02:40] <TwistenX> But sometimes my mind switches from Matt Lowne Kerbalcare to Danny2464 Kerbalcare.

L135[10:02:53] <Stelios> Thanks packbart I will do that now

L136[10:04:27] <TwistenX> I'm also gonna make a graveyard for fallen Kerbals for the sake of """""research""""" and """"""""""advancements in technology""""""""""

L137[10:06:44] <TwistenX> by that I mean they sacrficed themselves for """"""""""science"""""""""""

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L142[11:15:10] <darsie> Fredlong Kerman failed to jetpack to Mun orbit for rendezvous with the rescue probe, possibly due to a ridge that has to be overflown early, which is inefficient. He'll try again half a munar day later in the other direction.

L143[11:15:54] <darsie> I have to send the probe again ...

L144[11:15:56] <darsie> no

L145[11:15:58] <darsie> damn

L146[11:16:02] <darsie> I don't.

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L150[11:30:16] <Althego> zombanwa

L151[11:37:12] <Althego> (local) leet time

L152[11:41:20] <darsie> .

L153[11:45:10] <darsie> 3975 m Pe ... gotta fly more efficient.

L154[11:46:19] <Althego> also fly safe :)

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L156[11:57:44] * flayer slaps Althego

L157[11:58:01] <Althego> what's up, slappers?

L158[11:58:11] * flayer shrugs

L159[12:00:51] <packbart> taniwha came over to the Elite side, I see :>

L160[12:02:04] <Althego> as player or dev?

L161[12:02:41] <packbart> player, probably. I recognized the name on the ED forums. it's probably not too common a nick

L162[12:03:25] <packbart> who would want to out themselves as a Frontier Developer right now, anyway. so much mimimi :)

L163[12:04:27] <Althego> what happened? people didnt liek the legs?

L164[12:05:26] <packbart> the loud voices on the forums didn't much. performance bad, no ship interiors, no more VR, more grind. the usual

L165[12:05:46] <packbart> it's the same as any other game forum, tbh

L166[12:06:06] <packbart> Squad gets its share of the same criticism

L167[12:06:50] <packbart> "they don't listen to their players, they never fix bugs" etc

L168[12:13:01] <darsie> Jetpack to Mun orbit 8284 Pe and rendezvous planned.

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L174[13:45:14] <taniwha> yeah, I've been playing Elite

L175[14:15:57] <Mat2ch> Finally part 8 of the orbital launch tower is off the ground. Soon we can go back to the tank watching. ;)

L176[14:17:10] <Althego> hehe

L177[14:29:42] <umaxtu> and soon we should get to see how the hell the catching mechanism is supposed to work

L178[14:30:29] <Mat2ch> oh yeah

L179[14:30:32] <Mat2ch> I'm very curious

L180[14:30:44] <Mat2ch> I still can't believe they are going for it and want to make it work

L181[14:31:14] <Althego> the whole idea sounds like a child's imagination

L182[14:31:21] <Althego> what is it 200 t?

L183[14:31:24] <Althego> just catch it

L184[14:31:32] <Althego> cant be that ahrd

L185[14:31:38] <Althego> or can it

L186[14:35:02] <Mat2ch> More like 300 t

L187[14:35:07] <Mat2ch> but it's not really a catch

L188[14:35:23] <Mat2ch> catching would mean you absorb the energy somehow. But the booster breaks and just sits there.

L189[14:35:34] <Mat2ch> So it's more like a landing

L190[14:35:58] <Mat2ch> you could do the same with a hole in the ground and the landing legs at the top

L191[14:35:59] <Althego> ah yes it can hover because of its size and multiple engines

L192[14:36:14] <Mat2ch> *the booster brakes

L193[14:36:35] <umaxtu> Mat2ch, you'd have to have some way of removing the exhaust gasses I would assume

L194[14:36:39] <Althego> anyway, it sounds obvious, but probably many people are working on it for months now

L195[14:38:55] <Mat2ch> umaxtu: in the hole? Yes.

L196[14:39:07] <Mat2ch> But SpaceX is doing it in the open, so no problems there

L197[14:39:13] <Mat2ch> but I wonder how precise they will be

L198[14:39:21] <Mat2ch> but as Althego said, they can hover for a bit.

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L200[15:03:29] <FLHerne> Mat2ch: It looks like there'll be a part 9 of some kind

L201[15:04:02] <FLHerne> Part 8 has mountings on top of three of the columns, and there are various parts left at the assembly site

L202[15:11:44] <Mat2ch> jup

L203[15:12:11] <Mat2ch> and part 8 didn't include everything because it would have gotten too heavy to lift otherwise. That's why we will see part 9

L204[15:29:28] <FLHerne> I'm not sure that's right?

L205[15:29:38] <FLHerne> Part 8 is a lot smaller than the previous ones

L206[15:29:48] <FLHerne> 2/3rds the size roughly

L207[15:30:13] <FLHerne> Crane capability falls off with height, but it's only one place above 7

L208[15:38:28] <Althego> kikkerikii

L209[16:05:16] <Mat2ch> FLHerne: but it had to be extended to reach so high. So even less load

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L215[17:28:06] <TwistenX> who ate the rest of my cereal

L216[17:28:37] <Althego> the cereal killer

L217[17:28:50] <TwistenX> funny, laughdd

L218[17:28:55] <TwistenX> laughed*

L219[17:31:41] <TwistenX> im leaving vacation today so when i get home i can begin a multi-day long suffering spend naming EVERY LANDMARK in Stock KSP

L220[17:33:32] <darsie> Visiting every anomaly?

L221[17:35:36] <TwistenX> What does that mean\

L222[17:37:14] <darsie> There are anomalies spread throughout the Kerbol system.

L223[17:37:30] <darsie> Like the monolith near the KSC.

L224[17:37:50] <darsie> You can detect them with computers in Kerbnet.

L225[17:38:43] <TwistenX> Thats not what I mean

L226[17:38:56] <TwistenX> I meant like craters, lakes, and mountains

L227[17:39:13] <darsie> Hmm. Like every biome?

L228[17:39:38] <TwistenX> Basically

L229[17:39:40] <darsie> Grassland, mountains, desert, water, shores, ...

L230[17:39:50] <TwistenX> kind of

L231[17:40:14] <darsie> Flats, great flats, greater flats, lesser flats, ...

L232[17:40:23] <TwistenX> kinda

L233[17:41:18] <TwistenX> why has KSP2 been delayed so many times

L234[17:41:36] <darsie> Because Spacex didn't uphold their timeline.

L235[17:42:19] <darsie> coding is tricky. It's often underestimated.

L236[17:42:28] <TwistenX> what does SpaceX have to do with KSP2

L237[17:42:56] <TwistenX> I know coding is difficult, I'm also a programmer. I program Roblox games and animations.

L238[17:43:04] <darsie> Elon also underestimated the efforts for Starship.

L239[17:43:22] <darsie> TwistenX: Do you tend to finish in time?

L240[17:44:15] <darsie> How old are you?

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L243[17:45:04] <TwistenX> darsie: I usually set release dates and reach them on time. I'm also 13.

L244[17:45:13] <darsie> great

L245[17:45:32] <darsie> Do you curse?

L246[17:45:50] <TwistenX> nah

L247[17:46:04] <TwistenX> swearing bad

L248[17:46:21] <darsie> swearing is bad?

L249[17:46:32] <flayer> yes, dammit

L250[17:46:44] <darsie> Or are you swearing badly? :)

L251[17:46:57] <TwistenX> the first one

L252[17:48:31] <darsie> Hmm, I could visit the alternate launch sites.

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L256[18:42:02] <Mat2ch> darsie: Twisten will grow up... don't worry. ;)

L257[18:51:11] <darsie> Just adjusting my use of illegal words :).

L258[18:51:31] <darsie> Somewhere I found there's a toggle key for kerbnet, but I can't find it now.

L259[18:56:59] <darsie> Also I've seen the alternate launch sites already, but now I don't.

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L264[20:02:26] <darsie> It's in the action groups.

L265[21:02:08] <darsie> KSP does unexpected things with my twisted rocket.

L266[21:13:23] <darsie> Everything inside the fairing is upside down, to save space. The rovemate is root. https://i.postimg.cc/x0ncZDfP/screenshot211.png

L267[21:13:23] <darsie> When I root the SRB, the rocket is upright with the SRB to the west. When I root the rovemate again I get this: https://i.postimg.cc/F9p75W1X/screenshot212.png

L268[21:21:35] <darsie> The rocket is inverted.

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L270[21:35:35] <Mat2ch> oh, I've been there. Just turn it around. Hopefully it'll be fine. You never now with KSP :)

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L273[22:24:07] <darsie> Wow, Kerbin is riddled with anomalies.

L274[22:31:36] <darsie> https://i.postimg.cc/nHt5yxPM/screenshot215.png https://i.postimg.cc/xffZdRY2/screenshot216.png

L275[22:33:43] <packbart> each of the Commnet stations is an anomaly, too

L276[22:33:56] <darsie> mhm

L277[22:34:12] <darsie> I've been there.

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