OCLogs: 2021-06-07.log

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L29[05:32:54] <Althego> ohoho, friday stream will be differential equation with ollie

L30[05:36:58] <raptop> clever zombie

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L36[08:52:37] <Althego> wasnt there some launch this week? now all on next

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L38[08:54:18] <Mat2ch> Don't know. But no Starship launches :(

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L42[08:56:29] <Althego> i wouldnt expect any for a while

L43[08:56:52] <Althego> supposedly the orbital one is the next, where they splash down near hawaii

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L46[08:57:22] <Althego> and the parts are not yet ready, much less assembled for the booster, and still has to be testexd

L47[08:58:15] <Mat2ch> I fear that, too.

L48[08:58:30] <Mat2ch> SN16 probably will get scrapped

L49[08:58:41] <Mat2ch> I don't think it will fly.

L50[08:59:04] <Mat2ch> But I could be wrong and they just wait to get the OLIT and OLT done and the cranes out of the way.

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L52[09:00:44] <Mat2ch> the SH methan downcomer pipe is long. Really really long

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L56[09:41:15] <Althego> https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar/2021-june-10

L57[09:45:21] <Althego> it will be almost nothing here

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L62[11:14:10] <Althego> ufo, whatever, tldr https://i.imgur.com/bPDbz9f.png

L63[11:37:24] <Althego> (local) leet time

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L65[11:44:22] <darsie> .

L66[11:52:04] <Mat2ch> Althego: now I want to know what is in the blue envelopes.

L67[11:52:37] <Althego> what's in the box?

L68[11:52:42] <Althego> what blue envelope

L69[11:52:48] <Mat2ch> Read the last line

L70[11:53:03] <Mat2ch> "Open your blue envelopes and snooze"

L71[11:53:50] <Mat2ch> There was a sealed evelope on their plane for this situation.

L72[11:55:03] <Mat2ch> where did you get that link from?

L73[12:00:38] <Althego> irc

L74[12:02:04] <Mat2ch> Crazy stuff.

L75[12:02:04] <Althego> i think at best all this ufo thing is a huge distration

L76[12:02:09] <Mat2ch> From what

L77[12:02:13] <Mat2ch> who will benefit?

L78[12:02:16] <Althego> yes, that is the tihng

L79[12:02:47] <Althego> look, what is this? a ufo! quick, grab the worst camera we have!

L80[12:03:02] <Mat2ch> I showed you the pics from the fighter yet.

L81[12:03:11] <Mat2ch> No bad camera, just quick shots.

L82[12:03:12] <Althego> yes those were better

L83[12:03:24] <Mat2ch> I'm not talking about the basic lunatic here.

L84[12:03:38] <Althego> but think of this, everybody carries a high resolution camera with them, if they are here, tehre should be thousands of pictures

L85[12:03:53] <Mat2ch> and why now? Don't know. Could be coincidence.

L86[12:04:40] <Mat2ch> Could also be that some scientists are working on things that might change our view of the universe and allow us what they have. Superluminal travel.

L87[12:04:50] <Mat2ch> Then it's a good time to introduce themselfs.

L88[12:05:00] <Mat2ch> And how to do it better than by increasing the talk about them.

L89[12:05:06] <Althego> i woul like to have superluminal travel please

L90[12:05:09] <Mat2ch> That's how you break the news.

L91[12:05:32] <Mat2ch> If you want to avoid panic give as many signs as possible that something big might happen.

L92[12:05:48] <Mat2ch> Then almost everyone is mentally prepared.

L93[12:06:49] <Althego> nobody can be prepared

L94[12:07:14] <Mat2ch> Why not?

L95[12:08:28] <Althego> also consequences of just the mere existence of alien life would have long lasting changes in society. or example in law and religion

L96[12:09:09] <Althego> for example somebody kills an alien. is that murder?

L97[12:09:30] <Althego> legally this is totally undefined

L98[12:12:29] <Althego> oh yes, and history taught us that if two cultures come into contact, even if they are human, the less development culture will always be worse off

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L102[12:40:19] <Mat2ch> That is the case because the less developed culture was always abused. But WE already know that this is a bad thing and try not to do it anymore and even preserve indigious people

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L104[12:42:10] <Mat2ch> and yes, the laws would need adaption, but that's a minor thing and the aliens probably have some suggestions how to define it.

L105[12:43:41] <Mat2ch> The German law speaks of a "human". But the English law says "person" already. And a intelligent alien would fall in the category "person".

L106[12:44:12] <Althego> obviously

L107[12:44:37] <Althego> as religion is not an allwoed topic that would take a hard hit too

L108[12:44:45] <Althego> and we cant spea more about that

L109[12:45:37] <Mat2ch> The US is... a weird thing, because every state seems to have a different law for it.

L110[12:45:46] <Althego> there is a rather short book, The Greks Bring Gifts

L111[12:46:27] <Althego> what would happen if aliens gave us their tech

L112[12:46:50] <Mat2ch> Iff there is intelligent life out there and iff it is watching us, then they have probably no intention to make us gifts. They are just watching.

L113[12:47:10] <Althego> i wouldnt contact us

L114[12:47:12] <Mat2ch> Because everything else could have been done decades ago.

L115[12:47:54] <Mat2ch> Watching yes, contact no. But if they are a bit like us, they will have a few dull individuals which might show up on radar...

L116[12:48:16] <Mat2ch> Or... they are unaware of us and don't think that we are an intelligent species.

L117[12:48:28] <Althego> that is the recurring joke

L118[12:48:34] <Althego> they found no intelligent life on earth

L119[12:48:34] <Mat2ch> But it would explain those close encounters.

L120[12:48:52] <Mat2ch> Curious what a plane is and why it just fired things

L121[12:49:12] <Mat2ch> Not getting that there are intelligent people inside watching them back.

L122[12:49:41] <Althego> we can transition to the fermi paradox and the great filters

L123[12:49:53] <Mat2ch> Think of an intelligent species that developed on a huge ocean planet

L124[12:49:58] <Althego> maybe ultimately every intelligent life is met its end before contact

L125[12:50:10] <Althego> maybe they built ai that took over and killed them

L126[12:50:25] <Althego> we have such intelligent species here

L127[12:50:27] <Althego> whales

L128[12:50:32] <Althego> probablysmarter than us, but cant show it

L129[12:50:36] <Althego> they have no technology

L130[12:50:39] <Mat2ch> But why doesn't the AI care about us then?

L131[12:50:59] <Mat2ch> And if the whales are smarter than we are, they would've figured out a way to show it.

L132[12:51:07] <Mat2ch> Different sounds, movement, etc.

L133[12:51:39] <Althego> also i am quite afraid that most life is outside of the goldilocks zone under ice in gas planet moons

L134[12:52:12] <Althego> so even if they intelligent they dont see the stars to inspire them

L135[12:52:16] <Althego> they dont even know they are there

L136[12:52:39] <Mat2ch> I don't think that there is life at all.

L137[12:52:53] <Mat2ch> Life needs sunlight to develop as huge power source.

L138[12:53:41] <Mat2ch> The cycles this planet goes through every day by being heated up and cooling down again moves all the nutrients around

L139[12:53:41] <Althego> there is at least some chance that the first life here was chemo synthesizing near hydrothermal vents

L140[12:56:46] <Althego> two star trek episodes come into mind. in voyager when they are trapped next to a planet and the inhabitants culture is influenced just by the presence of the ship which looks like a bright star

L141[12:57:36] <Althego> there is an other one in tng, when there are some xenophobic aliens and riker is held captive, and starfleet realizes it was a mistake to be among them in person

L142[12:59:54] <Althego> there is a third one, where picard is thought of as a god by the locals, i really like that episode, but unlikely that the peaceful resolution would happen in reality

L143[13:03:44] <umaxtu> yeah, TNG and TOS were kinda naïve

L144[13:07:19] <Althego> these are titled blink of an eye, first contact, who watches the watchers

L145[13:07:29] <Althego> huh, google can find it from a few wirds

L146[13:07:31] <Althego> words

L147[13:09:36] <Mat2ch> The first one was an accident and Voyager got stuck there and couldn't move. Also the planet itself was in a time bubble and developed much quicker so the few hours Voyager was there was 1000 years for them

L148[13:09:56] <Mat2ch> the second one you mention I don't remember

L149[13:10:34] <Mat2ch> but the third on ends in Picard getting shot by an arrow and "dying"

L150[13:10:45] <Althego> not dying

L151[13:10:47] <Althego> just injured

L152[13:10:57] <Althego> and then they realize they are just people too

L153[13:11:21] <Mat2ch> I think it hit his heart again...

L154[13:11:47] <Mat2ch> Also: An accidental contact

L155[13:11:57] <Mat2ch> we wouldn't think as Gods of them now.

L156[13:11:58] <Althego> i really cant remember the titles

L157[13:12:39] <Althego> or was that a title?

L158[13:13:53] <Mat2ch> and "First Contact" doesn't fit either, because we are used to being spied on by foreign intelligences somehow...

L159[13:14:05] <Mat2ch> What title do you not remember?

L160[13:14:20] <Althego> i though an accidental contact wasa title because you capitalized

L161[13:14:26] <Mat2ch> umaxtu: TNG was the Dark Mirror of the 90s. :D

L162[13:14:52] <Mat2ch> Oh, no, I did that, because there was a colon.

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L170[15:06:17] <Althego> kikkerikii

L171[15:14:12] <raptop> huh, world of warcraft

L172[15:14:39] <umaxtu> what about wow?

L173[15:14:48] <Althego> classic

L174[15:14:51] <Althego> whatever that means

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L177[15:28:04] <Althego> hah der8auer finally got to that nano probing cpu transistors video

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L188[17:13:28] <Althego> nsf also speculates that since sn17 is disassembled and nothing is happening to sn16, and there is also work on sn20, it seems next flight will be the orbital

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L224[22:41:03] <FLHerne> !mission

L225[22:41:03] <LunchBot> FLHerne: A pine cone.

L226[22:42:18] <raptop> To be fair, that was sort of defined as a launch

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