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L1[00:00:46] <immibis> you mean how to go
there? type /join #kspmodders
L2[00:02:07] <Guest30609> yeah
L3[00:02:25] <Guest30609> so I write this
here and already change the channel?
L4[00:02:41] <Guest30609> thank you!
L5[00:03:35] <Guest30609> because it appears
this: #kspmodders Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be
identified with services
L6[00:04:45] <Alanonzander> you need to
register your nick, and identify for it to get into that
channel.
L7[00:05:00] <Alanonzander> Google
"nickserv" and see how that works.
L8[00:05:14] <Guest30609> okay, I will try
it, thank you!
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L28[03:37:49] <Althego> lol nvidia update.
took away the sound. turned out it set the default update to the
monitor which doesnt have any actual output
L29[03:38:03] <Althego> output
L30[03:38:08] <Althego> not update
L31[03:41:50] <XXCoder> wow what a ness
over there at freenode
L32[03:42:03] <XXCoder> staff just did more
hosile takeovers of channels
L33[03:44:12] <jgkamat> they closed all
channels with "libera" in the title afaik
L34[03:44:24] <XXCoder> yeah
L35[03:44:26] <jgkamat> why they closed
them instead of changing the topic back is beyond my
understanding
L36[03:44:40] <XXCoder> freenode news
basically says you cannot close channel period
L37[03:44:43] <XXCoder> it must stay
open
L38[03:44:51] <XXCoder> ironic that they
are closing em...
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L63[05:46:18] <Althego> is there a lunar
eclipse tuday?
L64[05:46:20] <Althego> today
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L69[06:01:00] <raptop> Althego: yes,
however it's not visible in europe
L70[06:01:20] <raptop> Presumably
hololive-jp and hololive-id can see it
L71[06:01:34] <Althego> but they are stuck
in front of a compute
L72[06:01:36] <Althego> r
L74[06:02:28] <raptop> U1 is 09:44:57 UTC,
U4 is 12:52:22 UTC
L75[06:02:41] <raptop> I guess that's a
slight problem for them
L76[06:15:00] <Althego> thunderf00t did a
pretty good documentary style video about apollo 13
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L83[07:56:03] <Althego> hah tehre are lunar
eclipse livestreams
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L88[08:25:34] <Mat2ch> XXCoder: just shows
that moving away from Freenode was the right choice.
L89[08:25:47] <XXCoder> yeah
L90[08:27:43] <XXCoder> Mat2ch: whats funny
it included channels with topic like "discussion on freenode
and libera"
L91[08:27:54] <XXCoder> way to help the
discussoon.. lol
L92[08:28:09] <Mat2ch> Choices made
easy...
L93[08:28:24] <XXCoder> freenode just
apologized
L94[08:28:30] <XXCoder> seems they undid
the changes? dunno
L95[08:28:35] <XXCoder> dont care have
moved on
L96[08:28:43] <Mat2ch> I mean, wreaking
havoc is a good way to build trust!
L97[08:29:03] <Mat2ch> I'm waiting for two
channels to decide to move. One is Freecad.
L98[08:29:11] <XXCoder> yeah
L99[08:29:19] <XXCoder> freecad and
inkscape is closely related
L100[08:29:24] <XXCoder> inkscape is now
on move soon
L101[08:30:56] <Mat2ch> Nice. In Freecad
it seems only the bot is missing. But that should be easy to
change. Just change the server in its config and restart...
L102[08:46:14] <XXCoder> basically
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L104[09:04:11] <Mat2ch> XXCoder: for
carpentry moving parts could help, when modelling doors for
cabinets to see if the fit
L105[09:04:53] <XXCoder> freecad do have
that feature
L106[09:04:55] <XXCoder> never used
it'
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L112[09:11:39] <Mat2ch> XXCoder: oh,
funny, I wrote in the wrong channel :D
L113[09:11:42] <Mat2ch> I'm
confused...
L114[09:11:50] <XXCoder> lol
L115[09:12:28] <minas_tirith> XXCoder,
what is freecad
L116[09:12:38] <minas_tirith> Does it
calculate forces, moments, tensions etc
L117[09:12:40] <minas_tirith> Can it model
the real materials well
L118[09:13:19] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch, what
is freecad
L119[09:13:25] <minas_tirith> Does it help
with screws and gears?
L120[09:13:51] <Mat2ch> It's a CAD
software application that lets you design stuff
L121[09:13:56] <Mat2ch> and it is open
source
L122[09:14:03] <Mat2ch> free and open
source, to be precise.
L123[09:14:48] <XXCoder> its not as
amazing as pro software, but its zero cist
L124[09:14:50] <XXCoder> cost
L125[09:14:59] <minas_tirith> Ok but what
is a cad
L126[09:15:01] <XXCoder> 0.20 should be
pretty good
L127[09:15:08] <XXCoder> oh computer
assisted design
L128[09:15:16] <minas_tirith> yeah full
forms are easy to google
L129[09:15:19] <minas_tirith> but what
does it actually do
L130[09:15:22] <XXCoder> you model
something in it. like a wheel or machine part etc
L131[09:15:34] <minas_tirith> XXCoder,
will it calculate stresses, moments, etc
L132[09:15:49] <minas_tirith> does it have
good modelling of existing materials such as friction coefficients,
tensile strengths etc
L133[09:16:01] <minas_tirith> elasticity
and so on too
L134[09:16:07] <minas_tirith> ie of the
important mechanical and physical properties
L135[09:16:33] <minas_tirith> XXCoder,
have you made things you invented inside freecad?
L136[09:16:44] <minas_tirith> How much did
the actual item differ from the mathematical models?
L137[09:16:58] <XXCoder> yeah. well
differences is result of creation
L138[09:17:04] <XXCoder> not model
itself
L139[09:17:20] <XXCoder> for example 3d
printer can make part slightly thicker and taller
L140[09:17:24] <minas_tirith> XXCoder,
does it show you how much force and stress is there at each points
of the object
L141[09:17:28] <XXCoder> and holes theres
something we call "polyholes"
L142[09:17:44] <XXCoder> theres finite
analsys system
L143[09:17:47] <XXCoder> but i never used
it
L144[09:17:59] <minas_tirith> yes
fem
L145[09:18:01] <minas_tirith> Fem is
important
L146[09:18:43] <minas_tirith> XXCoder, how
do you know how your machine performs without the fem etc?
L147[09:19:41] <Mat2ch> experience.
L148[09:20:16] <XXCoder> experence or
broken parts lol
L149[09:20:24] <XXCoder> i dont make
complex stuff
L150[09:22:10] <Mat2ch> but there are some
crazy people doing crazy stuff in FreeCAD including FEM
L151[09:24:08] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch,
experience is expensive
L152[09:24:11] <minas_tirith> Performing
some math is cheap
L153[09:24:29] <minas_tirith> XXCoder,
what were you making
L154[09:24:31] <minas_tirith> What do you
usually make
L155[09:25:16] <Mat2ch> minas_tirith: if
you are doing it professionally then yes. But not for the stuff I
do.
L156[09:25:29] <XXCoder> oh it varies by a
lot. i recently made jokers and pegs game board
L157[09:25:32] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch, what
do you do
L158[09:25:39] <minas_tirith> XXCoder, oh
okay
L159[09:25:45] <minas_tirith> Things are
much easier without moving parts
L160[09:25:54] <Mat2ch> a few parts for 3d
printing, nothing special and some cnc work
L161[09:26:02] <minas_tirith> XXCoder, I
was looking at the theory of screws, gears and linkages
recently
L162[09:26:13] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch,
where did you get a cnc
L163[09:26:21] <Mat2ch> Bought it.
;)
L164[09:26:29] <Mat2ch> Small table cnc
router
L165[09:26:36] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch,
rich
L166[09:26:44] <XXCoder> dont have to
be
L167[09:26:48] <Mat2ch> Nah, the small
ones are cheap
L168[09:26:50] <XXCoder> you can build one
slowly across time
L169[09:26:57] <Mat2ch> around the cost of
a better 3d printer
L170[09:26:58] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch, do
they accept the f-codes or whatever its called
L171[09:27:06] <XXCoder> or buy one of
those crap tiny cnc router for $100 lol
L172[09:27:06] <Mat2ch> g code
L173[09:27:12] <XXCoder> gcodes
L174[09:27:30] <XXCoder> you can have
setup so linuxcnc controls cnc
L175[09:27:47] <XXCoder> or have martin
and such. those is much lower quality than linuxcnc
L176[09:28:05] <minas_tirith> XXCoder,
machines are very expensive
L177[09:28:43] <XXCoder> youre picturing
pro mnachines
L178[09:28:48] <XXCoder> those can be 100k
or more
L179[09:28:56] <XXCoder> you can build one
for thousand dollars
L180[09:28:59] <minas_tirith> XXCoder,
where do you get the right kinds of motors
L181[09:29:06] <minas_tirith> how do you
accurately control them
L182[09:29:11] <minas_tirith> where did
you get screw bars etc
L183[09:29:11] <XXCoder> nema43 is easy to
get.
L184[09:29:26] <XXCoder> BOB (breakout
board) and 3 tb6600s wont cross 100 dollars
L185[09:29:30] <minas_tirith> Is it strong
enough to extrude the metals
L186[09:29:39] <XXCoder> extrude
metal?
L187[09:29:47] <minas_tirith> Like cut
away at a metal
L188[09:29:53] <XXCoder> ah mill
metal
L189[09:30:07] <XXCoder> not really, you
would use it for very weak alum at best
L190[09:30:23] <minas_tirith> Ok
L191[09:30:25] <XXCoder> my machine can
mill alum, but not too great. overall, it cost me 1k
L192[09:30:51] <minas_tirith> XXCoder,
then what do you use it for if most metals are out of the
question
L193[09:31:52] <XXCoder> wood
L194[09:32:59] <minas_tirith> Oh ok
L195[09:33:05] <minas_tirith> XXCoder, yes
wood is a good idea
L196[09:33:14] <minas_tirith> Though I
guess you can't use the wood much for making gears or screws
L197[09:33:23] <minas_tirith> How do you
make gears and screws?
L198[09:33:45] <Mat2ch> For milling
aluminium you need a better spindle than the regular ones you get
for the cheap cnc mills. But after that it's all a matter of how
fast you wanna go
L199[09:34:06] <Mat2ch> I could mill steel
on my cnc router, but I'd have to go very very slow
L200[09:34:15] <Mat2ch> and do manual
cooling and stuff.
L201[09:34:31] <Mat2ch> minas_tirith: you
should watch Wintergatan :D
L202[09:34:36] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch, have
you been able to make screws
L203[09:34:37] <Mat2ch> Martin makes gears
out of wood
L204[09:34:59] <Mat2ch> it's a router, not
a mill (mixed that up earlier)
L205[09:35:06] <Mat2ch> so no screws
L206[09:35:23] <minas_tirith> Ok
L207[09:35:31] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch,
screws are important
L208[09:35:48] <Mat2ch> buying is cheaper
and easier than making
L209[09:36:02] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch,
where did you get screws for x-y movement
L210[09:36:15] <minas_tirith> Those long
lead screw things
L211[09:36:30] <Mat2ch> ahhh, that's what
you mean. It came with the kit I bought.
L212[09:36:43] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch, what
is it called
L214[09:38:38] <Mat2ch> I got the
420
L215[09:38:49] <Althego> ball screw?
L216[09:38:54] <Althego> which is not
screw ball :)
L217[09:39:16] <minas_tirith> I meant what
the lead-screw thing is called
L218[09:39:19] <minas_tirith> Is there a
special name for it
L220[09:39:55] <minas_tirith> Exactly,
thanks Althego
L221[09:40:00] <minas_tirith> I needed to
know what its called
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L227[10:11:54] <XXCoder> sigh i hate it
when i change settings on hexchat
L228[10:12:04] <XXCoder> i have to close
program so it saves
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L237[11:37:29] <Althego> (local) leet
time
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L254[15:16:35] <Althego> omg blue origin
is going to get a bailout. because poor jeff cant afford it or
something
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L256[15:31:42] <Mat2ch> I saw that, too,
but is it really real?
L257[15:31:49] <Althego> it is just a
tweet
L258[15:31:52] <Althego> who knows
L259[15:32:02] <Althego> realistic if you
think of sls :)
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L263[16:55:42] <Althego> eh ingenuity
flight moved to the 30th
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L271[18:22:00] <Althego> again?
L272[18:22:03] *
raptop assumes that they're drones
L273[18:22:06] <Althego> with the same
lame ir footage?
L274[18:22:34] <Althego> oh wait this is
something else
L275[18:22:43] <Althego> oh no, it is the
same
L276[18:23:37] <darsie> already saw
it.
L277[18:25:22] <Mat2ch> Hey, Fran is not
just some charlatan
L278[18:25:56] <Mat2ch> the most
interesting thing I learnt is that we might get an official report
in the next few weeks...
L279[18:26:21] <Mat2ch> and no you can't
just say "this is an IR error", when it's also on radar
AND the pilots see it.
L281[18:27:29] <Mat2ch> and you have to
admit that this looks rather real.
L282[18:27:33] <Mat2ch> And like a space
ship.
L283[18:27:52] <Althego> ah this is
new
L284[18:27:56] <Althego> i mean new
tome
L285[18:28:05] <Mat2ch> Shiny polished
hull to get rid of heat
L286[18:28:26] <Althego> mostly spherical.
balloon?
L287[18:28:49] <Mat2ch> moving at the
speed of sound?
L288[18:28:58] <Althego> now that is
interesting
L289[18:29:13] <Althego> way more
interesting than the ir videos
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L292[18:29:43] <Mat2ch> tbh, the one
picture looks like a space ship we would design.
L293[18:29:46] <Mat2ch> There's a ring
around it
L294[18:29:51] <Mat2ch> and two
"drives"?
L295[18:30:38] <Mat2ch> the real question
is: Why don't the detect the radar from the planes? Or do they just
not care at all?
L296[18:31:07] <Mat2ch> or... is radar so
ancient to them that they don't scan for it?
L297[18:32:37] <Mat2ch> at 14:05 she says
"like it's moving in its own space". And that is probably
the solution. We have theories about this and call it "warp
drive".
L298[18:33:01] <Mat2ch> if you can move
the space around you than air doesn't matter, water doesn't matter,
maybe even matter doesn't matter...
L299[18:33:01] <Althego> oh yes kuma kuma
kuma bear
L300[18:33:40] <Mat2ch> maybe it's all
about energy. So you need a certain amount of energy to
"bend" stuff around you
L301[18:33:47] <Mat2ch> hm
L302[18:34:00] <Mat2ch> could be a
secondary technology though
L303[18:34:16] <Althego> you want a
kugelblitz powered spaceship? that is quite high tech from the
point where we stand
L304[18:35:11] <Althego> it is almost like
the romulan artificial black hole powered ships
L305[18:35:29] <Mat2ch> hrhr
L306[18:36:11] <Althego> that thing looks
a bit romulan
L307[18:36:22] <Mat2ch> it does
L308[18:37:54] <Mat2ch> it looks like a
camper, the old airstream, with a ring around it and two
gondolas
L309[18:38:22] <Mat2ch> In my head I've
tried to simulate a warp field that uses only two gondolas and not
the whole ring
L311[18:39:10] <Althego> 21 minutes and no
stream yet
L312[18:39:46] <Mat2ch> it should be
possible to create a almost round warp field with only three
gondolas. Maybe even reduce it to two.
L313[18:39:56] <Mat2ch> *even possible
to
L314[18:41:31] <Althego> wesley's static
warp bubble :)
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L316[18:44:27] <Althego> music
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L318[18:47:37] <Althego> t-12 min
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L321[18:58:38] <Althego> t-1 min
L322[18:59:41] <Althego> liftoff
L323[19:00:50] <Althego> omg a visible
sonic boom
L324[19:00:54] <Althego> that looked so
nice
L325[19:01:12] <Althego> you could see the
exact moment it broke through the sound barrier
L326[19:07:11] <Althego> heh image lost on
the first stage
L327[19:08:02] <Althego> oh come on, not
even video from the ship
L328[19:08:08] <Althego> ah there it
is
L329[19:08:35] <Althego> not exactly in
the enter
L330[19:29:19] <Althego> it is wednesday.
no wintergatan video up yet
L331[19:32:21] <Mat2ch> he posted things
on Instagram which I know because I read on discord... ;)
L332[19:32:33] <Mat2ch> so we might see
something play today
L333[19:32:50] <Althego> that is tomorrow
for me
L334[19:33:20] <Althego> i cant even wait
for the deploy
L335[19:36:45] <darsie> What are you doing
instead of waiting? :)
L336[19:36:53] <Althego> sleeping
L337[19:36:59] <darsie> k :)
L338[19:43:01] <Althego> burn coming
up
L339[19:46:07] <Althego> burn ok
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L346[22:30:33] <Alanonzander> Better for
cargo than passengers
L347[22:31:09] <XXCoder> wouldnt know
that, but cutting down pollution is great
L348[22:31:31] <raptop> "He said that
47% of regional aeroplane flights connect cities that are less than
230 miles (370km) apart,"
L349[22:31:35] <raptop> uh
L350[22:31:47] <raptop> That's driving
distance
L351[22:31:59] <raptop> Or I guess if
you're going to insist on something else, how's HS2 going?
L352[22:32:01] <XXCoder> yeah seems not
everyone wants to drive
L353[22:32:29] <raptop> "The
aircraft, which can take off and land from almost any flat surface,
reached heights of 7,000ft (2,100m) and speeds of up to 50 knots
(57mph) during its final tests. "
L354[22:32:32] <raptop> Oh
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L356[22:34:36] <raptop> This suggests that
for the purposes of intercity travel it's competitive with...
buses
L357[22:34:44] <Alanonzander> right
L358[22:34:56] <raptop> And in some cases
amtrak, but that's amtrak
L359[22:35:21] <XXCoder> more flexability
though and no traffic
L360[22:35:32] <Alanonzander> imagine
delivery service landing on roof, for deliveries
L361[22:35:38] <XXCoder> and you get a
view too
L362[22:35:44] <Alanonzander> no double
parking
L363[22:36:03] <raptop> How are you
getting to it/from it?
L364[22:36:12] <Alanonzander> yeah
L365[22:36:12] <raptop> Are you sure about
the no traffic, given airspace regulations?
L366[22:36:26] <raptop> Can it actually do
the flexible point to point that you're describing?
L367[22:36:29] <XXCoder> raptop: same ways
you get to and away from buses, trains, short range planes
L368[22:36:34] <raptop> I'd expect to be
operating out of normalish airports
L369[22:37:19] <raptop> XXCoder: I've
actually given up on some attempts to use trains upon realizing
that it would need to have long term parking at one end, and a
family memeber would need to drive 10+ miles to pick me up at the
other
L370[22:37:42] <XXCoder> yeah when live
alone with no nearby friends or family makes it harder
L371[22:37:46] <XXCoder> true for anyone
really
L372[22:38:30] <raptop> (The specific case
I'm thinking of is Kansas City <--> Santa Fe)
L373[22:39:32] <raptop> Buses, uh, I never
was able to use them when I lived in KC. I think the nearest stop
was over a mile away?
L374[22:39:51] <raptop> Now in the DC
area, I have used them, though been frequently let down by the
system
L375[22:40:05] <XXCoder> yeah usa isnt
much on bus :(
L376[22:40:30] <raptop> (What about the
subway you ask? Well, it's nice when I can use it, but the nearest
stop is ~3.2 miles away, and I've fallen between the cracks on
buses fairly often)
L377[22:43:36] <raptop> Walking home from
the station because I'm between buses or after the last bus is
totally doable, and I've done so on I think at least 4
occasions
L378[22:44:12] <XXCoder> what is subway?
;)
L379[22:44:24] <XXCoder> never been in
one
L380[22:46:10] <raptop> heavy rail
intracity transit that for some reason is rarely standard
gauge
L381[22:46:25] <raptop> typically
underground near the city center
L382[22:49:17] *
raptop is to be clear complaining primarily about WMATA and BART,
though some rail systems in Pennsylvania probably also
count
L383[22:49:37] <XXCoder> lol ok :)
L384[22:49:45] <XXCoder> sadly in west usa
subs is pretty rare
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